Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Anyone Tried Yogic Flying?
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Vaj wrote: > > > It's been known for hundreds, maybe thousands of years, that if you do a > fast, bastrika pranayama, it causes a hopping phenomenon known in Sanskrit > "frog-hopping". It's not associated with levitation-as-a-spiritual practice. > > > I think it's purely coincidental that some "flyers" go into very loud, very powerful rapid hyperventilation before taking off. I vary rarely do any hyperventilation.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Anyone Tried Yogic Flying?
On Feb 12, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Hugo wrote: I have to say my first experience was pretty amazing but it never repeated itself despite years spent doing long progs. I think it's tricky to judge for ourselves whether it's hypnosis/suggestion or something "real" and spontaneous. I think people make very bad witnesses, especially to something they believe in. We can kid ourselves so easily, especially when in a strong belief system like the TMO. The things they teach about consciousness seem bizarre to me now but were so plausible at the time. It's been known for hundreds, maybe thousands of years, that if you do a fast, bastrika pranayama, it causes a hopping phenomenon known in Sanskrit "frog-hopping". It's not associated with levitation-as-a- spiritual practice.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Anyone Tried Yogic Flying?
On Feb 12, 2010, at 11:10 AM, It's just a ride wrote: On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Vaj wrote: If some sort of actual anti-gravity effect was going on, the sidhas would not follow the standard parabolic arc seem in TM sidhas and common in any trajectory where the body is not acted on by some other force other than gravity (e.g. wind). It's just very basic physics. Therefore it's easy to conclude to sidha's "hops" are due to some sort of muscle jerking. Height and length of trajectory also seems to correlate with physical fitness and athletic prowess, i.e. gymnasts tend to be "better" yogic hoppers. So in other words, it's a scam preying on people with weak powers of discrimination. I've been in flying rooms for a couple decades. Every year or two I decide to take a look at other "flyers". I look at the "flyers'" muscular effort then I look at the trajectory they follow. I've developed a pretty good sense of how much power it takes to get, say, a ball in the air and the path it takes. Y'all have developed this judgement as well. I get very worried when it comes to me that these people aren't even doing yogic hopping. They are twitching, cooperatively moving the legs and arms to facilitate "lift off", and following the path one would take in their air from the amount of physical effort they exerted. I also examine my own "hopping". It's very evident that there is no levitation involved. If I hold my muscles very taut, I won't get a micron off the foam. After this, it takes a few weeks to forget what I've re- discovered and become innocent once again with yogic "flying". All I can say is that when one performs the sutra, there is at the beginning stage of practice a very strong desire to hop. Maybe that's step 0.01 of yogic flying. Actual yogic fliers in the Himalaya jump straight up as their training progresses. It typically requires about 8 feet of movement, which would be physically impossible.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Anyone Tried Yogic Flying?
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Vaj wrote: > > > If some sort of actual anti-gravity effect was going on, the sidhas would > *not* follow the standard parabolic arc seem in TM sidhas and common in > any trajectory where the body is not acted on by some other force other than > gravity (e.g. wind). It's just very basic physics. > > Therefore it's easy to conclude to sidha's "hops" are due to some sort of > muscle jerking. Height and length of trajectory also seems to correlate with > physical fitness and athletic prowess, i.e. gymnasts tend to be "better" > yogic hoppers. > > So in other words, it's a scam preying on people with weak powers of > discrimination. > > I've been in flying rooms for a couple decades. Every year or two I decide to take a look at other "flyers". I look at the "flyers'" muscular effort then I look at the trajectory they follow. I've developed a pretty good sense of how much power it takes to get, say, a ball in the air and the path it takes. Y'all have developed this judgement as well. I get very worried when it comes to me that these people aren't even doing yogic hopping. They are twitching, cooperatively moving the legs and arms to facilitate "lift off", and following the path one would take in their air from the amount of physical effort they exerted. I also examine my own "hopping". It's very evident that there is no levitation involved. If I hold my muscles very taut, I won't get a micron off the foam. After this, it takes a few weeks to forget what I've re-discovered and become innocent once again with yogic "flying". All I can say is that when one performs the sutra, there is at the beginning stage of practice a very strong desire to hop. Maybe that's step 0.01 of yogic flying. -- "I have outlived my pecker." -- Willie Nelson
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Anyone Tried Yogic Flying?
On Feb 12, 2010, at 4:27 AM, Hugo wrote: But the hopping is supposed to be due to this controlling of natural laws. God knows why, it's not like we are going to jump in the air and stay there. Someone once asked Marshy whether this would be how levitation happened and he said that we would waft lightly into the air then float back down. If some sort of actual anti-gravity effect was going on, the sidhas would not follow the standard parabolic arc seem in TM sidhas and common in any trajectory where the body is not acted on by some other force other than gravity (e.g. wind). It's just very basic physics. Therefore it's easy to conclude to sidha's "hops" are due to some sort of muscle jerking. Height and length of trajectory also seems to correlate with physical fitness and athletic prowess, i.e. gymnasts tend to be "better" yogic hoppers. So in other words, it's a scam preying on people with weak powers of discrimination.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Anyone Tried Yogic Flying?
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 3:11 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Anyone Tried Yogic Flying? Wayback, I'm thinkin ya might like BuddhaAtTheGasPump. Yer dripping with sincerity. Edg That's http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BuddhaAtTheGasPump
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Anyone Tried Yogic Flying?
On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:49 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > Looks like a case for THE CORRECTOR. > > Will she come running in to defend the poor sod > taken to the verbal cleaners by Edg, Cue up the music from The Charge of the Light Brigade in the background... > or is that > only something she does for those abused by her > arch-nemesis? > > Curious minds want to know... :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Anyone Tried Yogic Flying?
On Feb 10, 2010, at 9:09 AM, Vaj wrote: > On Feb 10, 2010, at 9:40 AM, Duveyoung wrote: > >> And, hey, especially to do so here where this effrontery has been >> deconstructed endlessly -- do you know that 99% of the readers here think >> you're mentally ill, Ghanesh? Well, not mentally ill, because we're all >> civilized enough not to laugh at the truly ill, > > > Are you kidding? What about Judy? Judy? Are *you*kidding, Vaj?? What about EDG? > Many FFL readers live to watch Curtis lead Judy around on a leash, like a > demented poodle who resists proper training. Judy is FFL's poster child for > the TM-Sidhi!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Anyone Tried Yogic Flying?
On Feb 10, 2010, at 9:40 AM, Duveyoung wrote: And, hey, especially to do so here where this effrontery has been deconstructed endlessly -- do you know that 99% of the readers here think you're mentally ill, Ghanesh? Well, not mentally ill, because we're all civilized enough not to laugh at the truly ill, Are you kidding? What about Judy? Many FFL readers live to watch Curtis lead Judy around on a leash, like a demented poodle who resists proper training. Judy is FFL's poster child for the TM-Sidhi!
