RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid dreaming can be induced with an electrical current
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 1:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid dreaming can be induced with an electrical current Who thinks of lucid dreaming as mystical or spiritual? I don't think I've ever heard that one before. A lot of spiritual folks think of it that way. First reference to it I heard was in Carlos Casteneda’s books. Often discussed in talks at the Science and Non-Duality conference. MUM professor Charles Alexander (now deceased) did some research on it. It may be associated with witnessing sleep. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Another fascinating article presenting a different way of looking at experiences that many would call mystical or spiritual. To a scientist -- or to a non-dogmatist -- they're just experiences. Scientists Induced Lucid Dreaming With An Electrical Current http://www.businessinsider.com/r-to-sleep-perchance-to-control-your-dreams-2014-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/r-to-sleep-perchance-to-control-your-dreams-2014-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/r-to-sleep-perchance-to-control-your-dreams-2014-11 Scientists Induced Lucid Dreaming With An Electric... The findings are the first to show that inducing brain waves of a specific frequency produces lucid dreaming. http://www.businessinsider.com/r-to-sleep-perchance-to-control-your-dreams-2014-11 View on www.businessinside... Preview by Yahoo
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My understanding has been that witnessing dreams is just that, witnessing them, not trying to change what's happening in them. No? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 1:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid dreaming can be induced with an electrical current Who thinks of lucid dreaming as mystical or spiritual? I don't think I've ever heard that one before. A lot of spiritual folks think of it that way. First reference to it I heard was in Carlos Casteneda’s books. Often discussed in talks at the Science and Non-Duality conference. MUM professor Charles Alexander (now deceased) did some research on it. It may be associated with witnessing sleep. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Another fascinating article presenting a different way of looking at experiences that many would call mystical or spiritual. To a scientist -- or to a non-dogmatist -- they're just experiences. Scientists Induced Lucid Dreaming With An Electrical Current http://www.businessinsider.com/r-to-sleep-perchance-to-control-your-dreams-2014-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/r-to-sleep-perchance-to-control-your-dreams-2014-11 Scientists Induced Lucid Dreaming With An Electric... http://www.businessinsider.com/r-to-sleep-perchance-to-control-your-dreams-2014-11 The findings are the first to show that inducing brain waves of a specific frequency produces lucid dreaming. View on www.businessinside... http://www.businessinsider.com/r-to-sleep-perchance-to-control-your-dreams-2014-11 Preview by Yahoo
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 1:31 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid dreaming can be induced with an electrical current My understanding has been that witnessing dreams is just that, witnessing them, not trying to change what's happening in them. No? True, but I think there might be a correlation. People who witness might be more inclined to dream lucidly, due to being more clear in all states. A friend of mine who witnesses sleep clearly and consistently says most of his dreams are lucid. I don’t know if he tries to change things or just dreams more consciously than is ordinarily the case. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , rick@... mailto:rick@... wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 1:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid dreaming can be induced with an electrical current Who thinks of lucid dreaming as mystical or spiritual? I don't think I've ever heard that one before. A lot of spiritual folks think of it that way. First reference to it I heard was in Carlos Casteneda’s books. Often discussed in talks at the Science and Non-Duality conference. MUM professor Charles Alexander (now deceased) did some research on it. It may be associated with witnessing sleep. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Another fascinating article presenting a different way of looking at experiences that many would call mystical or spiritual. To a scientist -- or to a non-dogmatist -- they're just experiences. Scientists Induced Lucid Dreaming With An Electrical Current http://www.businessinsider.com/r-to-sleep-perchance-to-control-your-dreams-2014-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/r-to-sleep-perchance-to-control-your-dreams-2014-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/r-to-sleep-perchance-to-control-your-dreams-2014-11 Scientists Induced Lucid Dreaming With An Electric... The findings are the first to show that inducing brain waves of a specific frequency produces lucid dreaming. http://www.businessinsider.com/r-to-sleep-perchance-to-control-your-dreams-2014-11 View on www.businessinside... Preview by Yahoo
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From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Who thinks of lucid dreaming as mystical or spiritual? I don't think I've ever heard that one before. A lot of spiritual folks think of it that way. First reference to it I heard was in Carlos Casteneda’s books. Often discussed in talks at the Science and Non-Duality conference. MUM professor Charles Alexander (now deceased) did some research on it. It may be associated with witnessing sleep. Not to mention real Native American traditions and Tibetan Buddhist traditions, in which lucid dreaming is taught as a useful technique for preparing to transit the Bardo between death and rebirth. Methinks Judy doesn't know about any of this because she's never been able to control her dreams. Heck, she can barely control herself in the waking state. :-) :-) :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Another fascinating article presenting a different way of looking at experiences that many would call mystical or spiritual. To a scientist -- or to a non-dogmatist -- they're just experiences. Scientists Induced Lucid Dreaming With An Electrical Current Scientists Induced Lucid Dreaming With An Electric... The findings are the first to show that inducing brain waves of a specific frequency produces lucid dreaming. View on www.businessinside... Preview by Yahoo
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 2:36 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid dreaming can be induced with an electrical current Be interesting to compare EEG measurements of lucid dreaming vs. witnessing dreams, see if they're similar or distinct. I've witnessed dreams, but there was never any impetus to interfere with them; and I've had a few lucid dreams in which becoming lucid was the trigger for changing them. For me they were very different types of experience. I’ll bet Fred Travis (MUM) has done some work in this area. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , rick@... mailto:rick@... wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 1:31 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid dreaming can be induced with an electrical current My understanding has been that witnessing dreams is just that, witnessing them, not trying to change what's happening in them. No? True, but I think there might be a correlation. People who witness might be more inclined to dream lucidly, due to being more clear in all states. A friend of mine who witnesses sleep clearly and consistently says most of his dreams are lucid. I don’t know if he tries to change things or just dreams more consciously than is ordinarily the case. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , rick@... mailto:rick@... wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 1:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid dreaming can be induced with an electrical current Who thinks of lucid dreaming as mystical or spiritual? I don't think I've ever heard that one before. A lot of spiritual folks think of it that way. First reference to it I heard was in Carlos Casteneda’s books. Often discussed in talks at the Science and Non-Duality conference. MUM professor Charles Alexander (now deceased) did some research on it. It may be associated with witnessing sleep. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Another fascinating article presenting a different way of looking at experiences that many would call mystical or spiritual. To a scientist -- or to a non-dogmatist -- they're just experiences. Scientists Induced Lucid Dreaming With An Electrical Current http://www.businessinsider.com/r-to-sleep-perchance-to-control-your-dreams-2014-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/r-to-sleep-perchance-to-control-your-dreams-2014-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/r-to-sleep-perchance-to-control-your-dreams-2014-11 Scientists Induced Lucid Dreaming With An Electric... The findings are the first to show that inducing brain waves of a specific frequency produces lucid dreaming. http://www.businessinsider.com/r-to-sleep-perchance-to-control-your-dreams-2014-11 View on www.businessinside... Preview by Yahoo
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid dreaming can be induced with an electrical current
Be interesting to compare EEG measurements of lucid dreaming vs. witnessing dreams, see if they're similar or distinct. I've witnessed dreams, but there was never any impetus to interfere with them; and I've had a few lucid dreams in which becoming lucid was the trigger for changing them. For me they were very different types of experience. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 1:31 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid dreaming can be induced with an electrical current My understanding has been that witnessing dreams is just that, witnessing them, not trying to change what's happening in them. No? True, but I think there might be a correlation. People who witness might be more inclined to dream lucidly, due to being more clear in all states. A friend of mine who witnesses sleep clearly and consistently says most of his dreams are lucid. I don’t know if he tries to change things or just dreams more consciously than is ordinarily the case. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... mailto:rick@... wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 1:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid dreaming can be induced with an electrical current Who thinks of lucid dreaming as mystical or spiritual? I don't think I've ever heard that one before. A lot of spiritual folks think of it that way. First reference to it I heard was in Carlos Casteneda’s books. Often discussed in talks at the Science and Non-Duality conference. MUM professor Charles Alexander (now deceased) did some research on it. It may be associated with witnessing sleep. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Another fascinating article presenting a different way of looking at experiences that many would call mystical or spiritual. To a scientist -- or to a non-dogmatist -- they're just experiences. Scientists Induced Lucid Dreaming With An Electrical Current http://www.businessinsider.com/r-to-sleep-perchance-to-control-your-dreams-2014-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/r-to-sleep-perchance-to-control-your-dreams-2014-11 Scientists Induced Lucid Dreaming With An Electric... http://www.businessinsider.com/r-to-sleep-perchance-to-control-your-dreams-2014-11 The findings are the first to show that inducing brain waves of a specific frequency produces lucid dreaming. View on www.businessinside... http://www.businessinsider.com/r-to-sleep-perchance-to-control-your-dreams-2014-11 Preview by Yahoo
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From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid dreaming can be induced with an electrical current From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Who thinks of lucid dreaming as mystical or spiritual? I don't think I've ever heard that one before. A lot of spiritual folks think of it that way. First reference to it I heard was in Carlos Casteneda’s books. Often discussed in talks at the Science and Non-Duality conference. MUM professor Charles Alexander (now deceased) did some research on it. It may be associated with witnessing sleep. Not to mention real Native American traditions and Tibetan Buddhist traditions, in which lucid dreaming is taught as a useful technique for preparing to transit the Bardo between death and rebirth. Methinks Judy doesn't know about any of this because she's never been able to control her dreams. Heck, she can barely control herself in the waking state. :-) :-) :-) Having practiced lucid dreaming for some years, I think I can comment on this article and this research with a bit more background than some others here. Lucid dreaming -- in the Castanedan, real Native American, and Tibetan Buddhist traditions -- does not concern itself with witnessing dreams. Since all three paths are pragmatic, they see little value in succeeding in waking up in the dream and then being a mere witness to what goes on in it. I can't say that I disagree with them; I've never seen the charm in this myself. It might appeal to those who believe that they live in a deterministic universe as a kind of spiritual voyeurism, but I'm just not drawn that way. :-) I liked waking up in the dream and then *fucking with reality*. If I didn't like my surroundings, I'd just decide to go somewhere else, and then Zap!, there I was. If I didn't like the way that certain events were shaping up, I'd just intervene and change them. If I wasn't thrilled with the astral folks I was currently hanging with, I would just intend a preference, and I'd be in another crowd. If the occasional beastie or nasty-astral creature tried to fuck with me, I'd either whisk myself away or stand up to it and enjoy the fight. It was fun. Do you begin to understand why I believe in free will? :-) But even though I enjoyed it, I couldn't maintain my interest in it as a continuing part of my sadhana. These days, if I wake up in the dream I can control them if I feel like it, or just enjoy them if I feel like that. This said, having had some experiences with lucid dreaming that some might consider mystical or spiritual, I am not the *least* offended by the implications of the research reported on in this article. SO WHAT if lucid dreaming is a mere neurological function that can be invoked by a gamma raygun. It's still what it is, and it's still fun. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Another fascinating article presenting a different way of looking at experiences that many would call mystical or spiritual. To a scientist -- or to a non-dogmatist -- they're just experiences. Scientists Induced Lucid Dreaming With An Electrical Current Scientists Induced Lucid Dreaming With An Electric... The findings are the first to show that inducing brain waves of a specific frequency produces lucid dreaming. View on www.businessinside... Preview by Yahoo
