Ruth, we're all trained one way or another. It is impossible for any living
thing not to be trained from birth on (and maybe before). And all training
looks more or less normal from the inside. It only gets scary when we see
training radically different from our own. Liberation means a perceived
spiritual independence from training. The training is still there, but you
don't identify with it. From that point of view, all training looks
bizarre--even, and, maybe especially, the training most of us consider to be
the normal state for most folks at any given time in any given culture.
- Original Message
From: ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 11:14:20 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Selfless Service --- and Breaking the Link Between
Fruit and Action
Judy, you made the comment:
The DSM diagnoses, remember, are for the guidance
of therapists who are working with patients who
can't cope, based on the characteristics found in
thousands of past patients who couldn't cope.
which may be generally true, I don't know, I am not a shrink.
However, people with certain personality disorders may cope just fine,
a narcissist or sociopath for example. They may be unpleasant people,
but they may not suffer anxiety or depression as a result of their
disorders. Or if they do, they blame it on something external to
themselves so they likely wouldn't seek treatment.
For a time I volunteered with a number of young people that were often
runaways and homeless. It was interesting how many suffered from
personality disorders. (Given the bad things that had happened to
them, also no surprise). Many had no interest whatsoever in
treatment. If they were anxious they might want a pill, but they
often did not perceive anything wrong with how they viewed the world.
Just making a side point in an interesting conversion.
The working hard of TM TBs on one fruitless activity after another is
very disturbing to me. I am still processing what I think about it and
what I think about what y'all think about it.
I do think that some TBs reached a point where it would not have
mattered much what MMY did or told them to do, the TB would fit it
into their view of MMY as an enlightened being whose actions were all
right actions. Arguably, they were trained that way, whether
unwittingly or intentionally. Now that is frightening.
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