Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole exposed as Pandits riot.

[Richard J. Williams]

> > Following your logic, people everywhere would choose
> > suffering over happiness. Go figure.
> >
On 3/12/2014 7:37 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:

they obviously do

>
You're not even making any sense tonight. It's not obvious that anyone 
chooses suffering over happiness, unless they are masochistic, or unless 
they get happiness from suffering. Go figure. According to 
psychologists, most people have a tendency towards the pleasure 
principle. Where is Dr. Pete when we need him?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleasure_principle/psychology/ 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole exposed as Pandits riot.

[Richard J. Williams]

On 3/12/2014 7:38 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> I get more out of chi gung these days - but thanks for the laugh - 
 >
Chi gung is all a matter of placement and positioning.

> I got one when I saw your Shameless Shill For Transcendence - that's a 
> good one!
 >
"Chi Gung" is true Chi Gung when it's primary role is to foster 
spiritual enlightenment; not just for self defense or for health, or for 
mere social status. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole exposed as Pandits riot.

[Michael Jackson]

I get more out of chi gung these days - but thanks for the laugh - I got one 
when I saw your Shameless Shill For Transcendence - that's a good one!

On Wed, 3/12/14, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com  
wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole exposed as Pandits riot.
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, March 12, 2014, 10:09 PM
   
   
   I can relate -- hey MJ, try out that TM, for one
 sesh, one of these years -- might be a lot different than
 what you remember...
 Sincerely, Doctor Dumbass, 
 Shameless Shill For
 Transcendence
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 you always get
 things backward - it was in fact after I released my
 attachment to any sort of meditation that I became
 enlightened, which I already was anyway
 
 
  On Wed, 3/12/14, Richard J.
 Williams 
 wrote:
 
 
 
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole
 exposed as Pandits riot.
 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 Date: Wednesday, March 12, 2014, 8:50 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 3/12/2014 3:06 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
 
 
 
 > now that I don't do TM I am no longer confused
 
 
 
 >
 
 
 
 That's probably because after you did TM for a few
 
 years, you got 
 
 
 
 enlightened, and now you are not confused anymore. Good
 
 work! 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole exposed as Pandits riot.

[Michael Jackson]

they obviously do

On Wed, 3/12/14, Richard J. Williams  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole exposed as Pandits riot.
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, March 12, 2014, 10:08 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   On 3/12/2014 12:13 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
 
 > If that were the case, the planet would be filled with
 naturally happy 
 
 > people. 
 
  >
 
 Following your logic, people everywhere would choose
 suffering over 
 
 happiness. Go figure.
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole exposed as Pandits riot.

[Richard J. Williams]

On 3/12/2014 4:21 PM, demar...@yahoo.com wrote:
> sorry - i probably don't know what i'm talking about
 >
All you have to do is go in and then come out and radiate. It's not 
complicated.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole exposed as Pandits riot.

[Richard J. Williams]

On 3/12/2014 3:53 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> you always get things backward - it was in fact after I released my 
> attachment to any sort of meditation that I became enlightened, which 
> I already was anyway
 >
That's what I'm saying!

So, you were already enlightened when you went north to work at the 
religious school, where you toiled through two cold winters, living 
alone inside a pod, meditating twice a day and flying inside a golden 
dome with twelve others men.

Then, you quit the TM and the TMSP,  returned home, released your 
attachment to any sort of meditation, and now you're just enlightened.

Good work!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole exposed as Pandits riot.

[doctordumbass]

I can relate -- hey MJ, try out that TM, for one sesh, one of these years -- 
might be a lot different than what you remember...
Sincerely, Doctor Dumbass, 
Shameless Shill For Transcendence
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 you always get things backward - it was in fact after I released my attachment 
to any sort of meditation that I became enlightened, which I already was anyway
 
 On Wed, 3/12/14, Richard J. Williams mailto:punditster@...> 
wrote:
 
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole exposed as Pandits riot.
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, March 12, 2014, 8:50 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 3/12/2014 3:06 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
 
 > now that I don't do TM I am no longer confused
 
 >
 
 That's probably because after you did TM for a few
 years, you got 
 
 enlightened, and now you are not confused anymore. Good
 work! 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole exposed as Pandits riot.

[Richard J. Williams]

On 3/12/2014 12:13 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> If that were the case, the planet would be filled with naturally happy 
> people. 
 >
Following your logic, people everywhere would choose suffering over 
happiness. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole exposed as Pandits riot.

[demaris4]

sorry - i probably don't know what i'm talking about

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole exposed as Pandits riot.

[anartaxius]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 3/12/2014 11:55 AM, wgm4u wrote:
 > "The number of enlightened Beings on this planet could fit under a 
 > small umbrella", CLutes, paraphrased.
 >
 "You are only going to get as much enlightenment as you are going to 
 get." - A.J. Bahm
 

 You already have as much as you are going to get. - Someone Else

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole exposed as Pandits riot.

[Richard J. Williams]

On 3/12/2014 11:55 AM, wgm4u wrote:
> "The number of enlightened Beings on this planet could fit under a 
> small umbrella", CLutes,  paraphrased.
 >
"You are only going to get as much enlightenment as you are going to 
get." - A.J. Bahm

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole exposed as Pandits riot.

[Michael Jackson]

you always get things backward - it was in fact after I released my attachment 
to any sort of meditation that I became enlightened, which I already was anyway

On Wed, 3/12/14, Richard J. Williams  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole exposed as Pandits riot.
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, March 12, 2014, 8:50 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   On 3/12/2014 3:06 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
 
 > now that I don't do TM I am no longer confused
 
  >
 
 That's probably because after you did TM for a few
 years, you got 
 
 enlightened, and now you are not confused anymore. Good
 work!
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole exposed as Pandits riot.

[Richard J. Williams]

On 3/12/2014 2:43 PM, demar...@yahoo.com wrote:

...surely you've noticed it happen during meditation?

>
It happens naturally to everyone, even if they don't meditate or have a 
technique. The healthy mind always goes to a field of greater happiness. 
It's not complicated.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole exposed as Pandits riot.

[Michael Jackson]

I shift in and out of GC - my cat is in Brahmin.

On Wed, 3/12/14, wgm4u  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole exposed as Pandits riot.
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, March 12, 2014, 7:58 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   If you're in Cosmic Consciousness or even
 Unity, I salute you!
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole exposed as Pandits riot.

[Richard J. Williams]

On 3/12/2014 3:06 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> now that I don't do TM I am no longer confused
 >
That's probably because after you did TM for a few years, you got 
enlightened, and now you are not confused anymore. Good work!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole exposed as Pandits riot.

[authfriend]

The illustrative example, as I remember it, was of sitting reading a book when 
someone starts playing a beautiful melody on the piano in the next room--and 
your attention immediately leaves the book and goes to the music. I don't 
recall anything about this needing a technique to function. 

 

 Are you deliberately misleading your readers or are you confused?  "... that 
the human mind naturally goes towards great fields of enjoyment, of bliss, of 
happiness" -- I'm pretty sure the point made in the teaching is that this 
tendency needs a technique to function, and it is brought out in the process of 
meditating...surely you've noticed it happen during meditation? 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole exposed as Pandits riot.

[Michael Jackson]

now that I don't do TM I am no longer confused

On Wed, 3/12/14, demar...@yahoo.com  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole exposed as Pandits riot.
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, March 12, 2014, 7:43 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   Are you deliberately misleading your readers or are
 you confused?  "... that the human mind naturally goes towards great
 fields of enjoyment, of bliss, of happiness" -- I'm
 pretty sure the point made in the teaching is that this
 tendency needs a technique to function, and it is brought
 out in the process of meditating...surely you've noticed
 it happen during meditation?
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole exposed as Pandits riot.

[wgm4u]

If you're in Cosmic Consciousness or even Unity, I salute you!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole exposed as Pandits riot.

[demaris4]

Are you deliberately misleading your readers or are you confused?  "... that 
the human mind naturally goes towards great fields of enjoyment, of bliss, of 
happiness" -- I'm pretty sure the point made in the teaching is that this 
tendency needs a technique to function, and it is brought out in the process of 
meditating...surely you've noticed it happen during meditation? 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole exposed as Pandits riot.

[Michael Jackson]

I tend to agree with you. I was thinking too, how one of Marshy's key concepts 
was incorrect, in my opinion just made up bs, but it was really key to his 
getting people to believe TM was a superlative thing. And that is the idea that 
the human mind naturally goes towards great fields of enjoyment, of bliss, of 
happiness. The natural tendency of the mind is to go to a field of greater 
happiness, is what he said in various ways.

Simple observation shows this just isn't true. If one is sitting in the sun at 
a cafe like Barry and an argument breaks out, will one ignore it, or will one's 
natural tendency be to see why that beautiful woman is raising hell at her 
boyfriend in public?

When riding serenely down the highway and one comes upon a wreck, the slowdown 
of traffic is testament to the fact that people are drawn to stress, trauma and 
drama all the time. 

There are a million other examples of the natural tendency of the human mind to 
gravitate towards the opposite of happiness, the number of abused women on the 
planet, the number of wars and plethora of situations where humans continually 
abuse each other are probably the best examples. So Marshy's premise that we 
naturally and easily transcend DUE to that natural tendency of the mind going 
towards greater fields of happiness is not true. 

I think it happens because as beings of the Universe we have the ENTIRE range 
of experiences of awareness available to us and we can choose to do something, 
be something, experience something we call happiness, but its not because we 
naturally gravitate towards it. If that were the case, the planet would be 
filled with naturally happy people. 

On Wed, 3/12/14, wgm4u  wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's hyperbole exposed as Pandits riot.
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, March 12, 2014, 4:55 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   Though MMY was right in theory;  in
 practice, the Devil is in the details. In order to get the
 kind of effects MMY wanted you'd need 'at least'
 8000 *GuruDev's*, that is actually enlightened Beings to
 get the MMY effect! IMHOWhat you have in Fairfield is
 a bunch of broken human Beings much like the rest of
 humanity just struggling with THEIR own little problems, far
 from pure expressions of pure consciousness, better than
 nothing? of course! but bringing World Peace?
 Doubtful.."The number of enlightened Beings
 on this planet could fit under a small umbrella",
 CLutes,  paraphrased.