Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
Ann, I think that the rounders have done what we all do. They have chosen
activities that they think are most worthwhile given that we all have limited
time.
On Friday, October 18, 2013 8:17 AM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com"
wrote:
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
Actually they'd probably agree, thinking that rounding is the BEST thing they
can do!
That is my point Share. And why would they think that? Because there is nothing
else pressing in their lives that they would like to do better. Hence, the
conclusion that their personal interests and pursuits are limited when it comes
to career, time spent with family or outside interests or passions. Get it now?
On Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:14 AM, "awoelflebater@..."
wrote:
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
Nicely put. It reminds me of something I wanted to say about awoelflebater's
post on another thread ("power naps"): "Now, these long-term, incessant
meditators obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to
compel them to want to stand up and open their eyes.":
We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all contemplative
traditions that communities joined together practising silent prayer (eg, monks
and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though to practical,
common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even the very
recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish ambitions of
the mass of people induces a feeling of calm!
What I have a problem with is not the genuine monks or contemplatives (and I
think true Holy men and women with a one-pointed desire to live their lives in
spiritual contemplation and prayer are very few and far between) who sit for
hours day in and day out meditating, chanting, reflecting, reading etc. but
these psuedo/faux contemplatives who live in places like FF and live otherwise
"normal" western lives shopping at their Walmarts and driving their Subaru's
are somehow in the same league. Sorry, I've been around the MIU campus and seen
the various participants of Mother Divine or what-have-you and I'm stickin' to
my guns in my estimation that most of these serial meditators have nothin'
better to do.
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
[Pietist, belief
in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the divine
[Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to
the ultimate spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ]
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
Actually they'd probably agree, thinking that rounding is the BEST thing they
can do!
On Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:14 AM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com"
wrote:
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
Nicely put. It reminds me of something I wanted to say about awoelflebater's
post on another thread ("power naps"): "Now, these long-term, incessant
meditators obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to
compel them to want to stand up and open their eyes.":
We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all contemplative
traditions that communities joined together practising silent prayer (eg, monks
and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though to practical,
common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even the very
recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish ambitions of
the mass of people induces a feeling of calm!
What I have a problem with is not the genuine monks or contemplatives (and I
think true Holy men and women with a one-pointed desire to live their lives in
spiritual contemplation and prayer are very few and far between) who sit for
hours day in and day out meditating, chanting, reflecting, reading etc. but
these psuedo/faux contemplatives who live in places like FF and live otherwise
"normal" western lives shopping at their Walmarts and driving their Subaru's
are somehow in the same league. Sorry, I've been around the MIU campus and seen
the various participants of Mother Divine or what-have-you and I'm stickin' to
my guns in my estimation that most of these serial meditators have nothin'
better to do.
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
[Pietist, belief
in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the divine
[Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to
the ultimate spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ]
RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
Right, that is the clarity needed to see the combinations of the gunas, in activity. The underlying mechanics. Collectively, we've added a lot of rajas, and now sattva. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Doc, in Chap 4, vs 35 of the Gita, Maharishi explains that there is delusion in the state of tamas which is overcome by increasing rajas; delusion in the state of rajas is overcome by an increase of sattwa; but delusion in the state of sattwa, which is Arjuna's situation, can only be overcome by transcending the field of the 3 gunas. From: "doctordumbass@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:12 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future? Thank you for that additional information, Share. I have always loved formulas, or relationships expressed mathematically. They serve as an awesome foundation for further questions. I'll have to look for what you mentioned, in Maharishi's translation of the BG. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Doc, I think it's very cool how you've applied this to technology and possible futures. And it's fascinating in comparison to Maharishi's 1971 audio tape Overcoming Problems in which he explains that the 15 fundamental problems of life found in Chapter 2 of the Gita can be generated by combining the 3 gunas with the 5 mahabhutas. He actually begins to list them on the tape: a sattvic problem in prithivi; a sattvic problem in jala; a sattvic problem in tejas. Since prithivi or earth would be considered tamasic, it's interesting that in this context he does combine sattwa and tamas. From: "doctordumbass@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 5:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future? Yes, and also remember in the Gita, that there are just four valid combinations, of the three gunas (sattva, rajas, and tamas), out of a possible six. From the bottom: TR, RT, RS, and SR, with TS and ST not possible. So, given that the current trend (last 3,000 years, or so) seems to be technical advancement, as a result of war - the TR, and RT combos, there must also be a way to advance technically, without war, hence the RS, and SR combinations. That means, theoretically, anyway, killing, even expressed as The Song Of God, is not always physically necessary. Tamas, in the RT and TR combinations, is like water on the gears of manifestation, Rajas, and begins to slow momentum quickly, through rust. Sattva, in the RS and SR combinations, is like oil. It lowers friction, and speeds progress. In terms of here, that means that if human consciousness can be shifted from a Tamasic motive force, to a Sattvic one, we can continue to progress, with our modern conveniences, and technical advances, without quickly, or slowly, blowing ourselves up. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Pretty much guaranteed with that kind of mindset. Share wrote: And Doc, let us not forget that the Gita occurs on a battlefield with Lord Krishna exhorting Arjuna not only to fight, but to kill! Convinces me even further that this planet is designed for mixing light and dark.
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Doc, in Chap 4, vs 35 of the Gita, Maharishi explains that there is delusion in the state of tamas which is overcome by increasing rajas; delusion in the state of rajas is overcome by an increase of sattwa; but delusion in the state of sattwa, which is Arjuna's situation, can only be overcome by transcending the field of the 3 gunas. From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:12 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future? Thank you for that additional information, Share. I have always loved formulas, or relationships expressed mathematically. They serve as an awesome foundation for further questions. I'll have to look for what you mentioned, in Maharishi's translation of the BG. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Doc, I think it's very cool how you've applied this to technology and possible futures. And it's fascinating in comparison to Maharishi's 1971 audio tape Overcoming Problems in which he explains that the 15 fundamental problems of life found in Chapter 2 of the Gita can be generated by combining the 3 gunas with the 5 mahabhutas. He actually begins to list them on the tape: a sattvic problem in prithivi; a sattvic problem in jala; a sattvic problem in tejas. Since prithivi or earth would be considered tamasic, it's interesting that in this context he does combine sattwa and tamas. From: "doctordumbass@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 5:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future? Yes, and also remember in the Gita, that there are just four valid combinations, of the three gunas (sattva, rajas, and tamas), out of a possible six. From the bottom: TR, RT, RS, and SR, with TS and ST not possible. So, given that the current trend (last 3,000 years, or so) seems to be technical advancement, as a result of war - the TR, and RT combos, there must also be a way to advance technically, without war, hence the RS, and SR combinations. That means, theoretically, anyway, killing, even expressed as The Song Of God, is not always physically necessary. Tamas, in the RT and TR combinations, is like water on the gears of manifestation, Rajas, and begins to slow momentum quickly, through rust. Sattva, in the RS and SR combinations, is like oil. It lowers friction, and speeds progress. In terms of here, that means that if human consciousness can be shifted from a Tamasic motive force, to a Sattvic one, we can continue to progress, with our modern conveniences, and technical advances, without quickly, or slowly, blowing ourselves up. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Pretty much guaranteed with that kind of mindset. Share wrote: And Doc, let us not forget that the Gita occurs on a battlefield with Lord Krishna exhorting Arjuna not only to fight, but to kill! Convinces me even further that this planet is designed for mixing light and dark.
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
Thank you for that additional information, Share. I have always loved formulas, or relationships expressed mathematically. They serve as an awesome foundation for further questions. I'll have to look for what you mentioned, in Maharishi's translation of the BG. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Doc, I think it's very cool how you've applied this to technology and possible futures. And it's fascinating in comparison to Maharishi's 1971 audio tape Overcoming Problems in which he explains that the 15 fundamental problems of life found in Chapter 2 of the Gita can be generated by combining the 3 gunas with the 5 mahabhutas. He actually begins to list them on the tape: a sattvic problem in prithivi; a sattvic problem in jala; a sattvic problem in tejas. Since prithivi or earth would be considered tamasic, it's interesting that in this context he does combine sattwa and tamas. From: "doctordumbass@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 5:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future? Yes, and also remember in the Gita, that there are just four valid combinations, of the three gunas (sattva, rajas, and tamas), out of a possible six. From the bottom: TR, RT, RS, and SR, with TS and ST not possible. So, given that the current trend (last 3,000 years, or so) seems to be technical advancement, as a result of war - the TR, and RT combos, there must also be a way to advance technically, without war, hence the RS, and SR combinations. That means, theoretically, anyway, killing, even expressed as The Song Of God, is not always physically necessary. Tamas, in the RT and TR combinations, is like water on the gears of manifestation, Rajas, and begins to slow momentum quickly, through rust. Sattva, in the RS and SR combinations, is like oil. It lowers friction, and speeds progress. In terms of here, that means that if human consciousness can be shifted from a Tamasic motive force, to a Sattvic one, we can continue to progress, with our modern conveniences, and technical advances, without quickly, or slowly, blowing ourselves up. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Pretty much guaranteed with that kind of mindset. Share wrote: And Doc, let us not forget that the Gita occurs on a battlefield with Lord Krishna exhorting Arjuna not only to fight, but to kill! Convinces me even further that this planet is designed for mixing light and dark.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
Doc, I think it's very cool how you've applied this to technology and possible futures. And it's fascinating in comparison to Maharishi's 1971 audio tape Overcoming Problems in which he explains that the 15 fundamental problems of life found in Chapter 2 of the Gita can be generated by combining the 3 gunas with the 5 mahabhutas. He actually begins to list them on the tape: a sattvic problem in prithivi; a sattvic problem in jala; a sattvic problem in tejas. Since prithivi or earth would be considered tamasic, it's interesting that in this context he does combine sattwa and tamas. From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 5:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future? Yes, and also remember in the Gita, that there are just four valid combinations, of the three gunas (sattva, rajas, and tamas), out of a possible six. From the bottom: TR, RT, RS, and SR, with TS and ST not possible. So, given that the current trend (last 3,000 years, or so) seems to be technical advancement, as a result of war - the TR, and RT combos, there must also be a way to advance technically, without war, hence the RS, and SR combinations. That means, theoretically, anyway, killing, even expressed as The Song Of God, is not always physically necessary. Tamas, in the RT and TR combinations, is like water on the gears of manifestation, Rajas, and begins to slow momentum quickly, through rust. Sattva, in the RS and SR combinations, is like oil. It lowers friction, and speeds progress. In terms of here, that means that if human consciousness can be shifted from a Tamasic motive force, to a Sattvic one, we can continue to progress, with our modern conveniences, and technical advances, without quickly, or slowly, blowing ourselves up. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Pretty much guaranteed with that kind of mindset. Share wrote: And Doc, let us not forget that the Gita occurs on a battlefield with Lord Krishna exhorting Arjuna not only to fight, but to kill! Convinces me even further that this planet is designed for mixing light and dark.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
Seraphita, there are those who deny that the Holocaust ever happened. And there are those, like Eisenhower who would deny the deniers. These are quotes of his in wikipedia: The same day[19] I saw my first horror camp. It was near the town of Gotha. I have never been able to describe my emotional reactions when I first came face to face with indisputable evidence of Nazi brutality and ruthless disregard of every shred of decency. Up to that time I had known about it only generally or through secondary sources. I am certain however, that I have never at any time experienced an equal sense of shock. I visited every nook and cranny of the camp because I felt it my duty to be in a position from then on to testify at first hand about these things in case there ever grew up at home the belief or assumption that "the stories of Nazi brutality were just propaganda". Some members of the visiting party were unable to go through with the ordeal. I not only did so but as soon as I returned to Patton's headquarters that evening I sent communications to both Washington and London, urging the two governments to send instantly to Germany a random group of newspaper editors and representative groups from the national legislatures. I felt that the evidence should be immediately placed before the American and the British publics in a fashion that would leave no room for cynical doubt.[20] snip The visual evidence and the verbal testimony of starvation, cruelty and bestiality were so overpowering as to leave me a bit sick. In one room, where they [there] were piled up twenty or thirty naked men, killed by starvation, George Patton would not even enter. He said that he would get sick if he did so. I made the visit deliberately, in order to be in a position to give first-hand evidence of these things if ever, in the future, there develops a tendency to charge these allegations merely to "propaganda."[21] From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 9:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future? Imagine walking into a German museum and finding a book called "The Holocaust Myth Exploded"!
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Is there in fact, any barbed wire around the pundit compound? On 10/6/2013 10:56 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > Iowans are pretty smart -after Girish and the Srivastavas boys > sell MUM and its adjacent properties off, the various farmers > around there might get some of the land, maybe Monroe > Hershberger and his Amish folk might buy some of it to run > cattle on or make cheese - it'll be used well. The Domes will > house a lot of cows, maybe few sheep or goats in the winter > times, the farmers will always wonder why the sheep fall > asleep along about 5 pm. That last line is very funny. LOL. The pundit compound will be repurposed as a prison. It's already got the barbed wire, after all.
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very true - when I was there I found the majority of townspeople were really fine men and women - most of the farmers I met reminded me a good deal of the farmers I knew from South Carolina plain, unassuming folk with level heads and decent hearts. Maybe I just got lucky in the meeting folks department, but that is my assessment of the folks I knew - townies that is. There were a lot of good folk at MIU too, but they were mightily counterbalanced by the donkeys that ran MIU - but anyway. From: feste37 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2013 12:05 PM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future? That's actually pretty funny, MJ, but Fairfield is a lot more than MUM. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Iowans are pretty smart -after Girish and the Srivastavas boys sell MUM and its adjacent properties off, the various farmers around there might get some of the land, maybe Monroe Hershberger and his Amish folk might buy some of it to run cattle on or make cheese - it'll be used well. The Domes will house a lot of cows, maybe few sheep or goats in the winter times, the farmers will always wonder why the sheep fall asleep along about 5 pm. From: feste37 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2013 11:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future? Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/
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Oh, man I didn't think of that one! From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2013 11:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A vision of Fairfield's future? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > Iowans are pretty smart -after Girish and the Srivastavas boys > sell MUM and its adjacent properties off, the various farmers > around there might get some of the land, maybe Monroe > Hershberger and his Amish folk might buy some of it to run > cattle on or make cheese - it'll be used well. The Domes will > house a lot of cows, maybe few sheep or goats in the winter > times, the farmers will always wonder why the sheep fall > asleep along about 5 pm. That last line is very funny. LOL. The pundit compound will be repurposed as a prison. It's already got the barbed wire, after all.
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
Iowans are pretty smart -after Girish and the Srivastavas boys sell MUM and its adjacent properties off, the various farmers around there might get some of the land, maybe Monroe Hershberger and his Amish folk might buy some of it to run cattle on or make cheese - it'll be used well. The Domes will house a lot of cows, maybe few sheep or goats in the winter times, the farmers will always wonder why the sheep fall asleep along about 5 pm. From: feste37 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2013 11:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future? Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/
