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my daddy was dead and momma knew exactly where I was On Tue, 1/28/14, Richard J. Williams wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The New Maharishi Effect: 10% Missing Pundits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 28, 2014, 6:58 PM On 1/28/2014 10:20 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: > I have never lived in North Carolina, except when I worked for the > Movement up there > Correction: MJ is the missing boy pandit who now lives in S.C. So, your parents didn't try to find you when you were working for the religious school in IA. Go figure.
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On 1/28/2014 10:20 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: > I have never lived in North Carolina, except when I worked for the > Movement up there > Correction: MJ is the missing boy pandit who now lives in S.C. So, your parents didn't try to find you when you were working for the religious school in IA. Go figure.
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You are still an idiot and weak minded to boot, or at least have reading comprehension problems or a poor memory. I have never lived in North Carolina, except when I worked for the Movement up there, I am South Carolina born and raised and my parents always lived here as adults. On Tue, 1/28/14, Richard J. Williams wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The New Maharishi Effect: 10% Missing Pundits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 28, 2014, 4:12 PM On 1/27/2014 2:36 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: > What are you going to say to some of the families when the mom's and > dad's come to FAirfield looking for their missing boys? > So, you're one of the missing boys. Anyone that mumbles a phrase from the Hindu Vedas for at least two years is a "pandit" where I come from. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. Assuming your mom and dad didn't give a rat's ass what you did, if they asked me I would have told them that their son ran off to join a religious school up in Iowa and that he got brainwashed into working for room and board and living in a pod for two winters - and didn't enroll for a single course because he was too busy chasing girls and smoking pot. But, because he didn't like his boss, the pundit boy MJ jumped the fence and went back to NC so he could - chase more girls and smoke more pot. The only question is, why didn't MJ move to Weed, CA or down to Jamaica - instead of moving back in with his parents in NC? Go figure.
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On 1/27/2014 2:36 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: > What are you going to say to some of the families when the mom's and > dad's come to FAirfield looking for their missing boys? > So, you're one of the missing boys. Anyone that mumbles a phrase from the Hindu Vedas for at least two years is a "pandit" where I come from. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. Assuming your mom and dad didn't give a rat's ass what you did, if they asked me I would have told them that their son ran off to join a religious school up in Iowa and that he got brainwashed into working for room and board and living in a pod for two winters - and didn't enroll for a single course because he was too busy chasing girls and smoking pot. But, because he didn't like his boss, the pundit boy MJ jumped the fence and went back to NC so he could - chase more girls and smoke more pot. The only question is, why didn't MJ move to Weed, CA or down to Jamaica - instead of moving back in with his parents in NC? Go figure.
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The al jazerra post was a cut down version of the Hi India full article that I posted earlier. Here is both the link for Hi India article and the full article - now find fault with them. http://hiindialive.com/?p=42868 Vedic Pandits go 'missing' in US, reports Hi India IANS Chicago, January 26, 2014 | UPDATED 16:36 IST In a shocking revelation, as many as 163 Indians, most of them brought to the US as teenagers from villages in northern India to be trained into Vedic Pandits by two institutions set up by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi of transcendental meditation fame, appear to have gone missing over the last 12 months. Of the 1,050 young Indians brought to the Maharishi Vedic City and the Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield, Iowa, 163 - some of them just 19 years old - have gone missing in the last one year, Hi India, a Chicago-based weekly newspaper for the Indian community, reported in its latest issue. Both the Vedic city and the university are owned by the late Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's family. According to the report, the management running these places did not even care to trace the missing people. Even the Global Country of World Peace (GCWP), one of the many teaching centres set up by the India-born spiritual guru, does not know about the plight or flight of these Vedic scholars called 'world peace professionals'. "They have jumped the fence for immigration purposes or for chasing their American Dream," the newspaper quoted the varsity bosses as saying. The GCWP runs a Vedic Pandit programme claiming to "bring about peace on earth where there will be no war". Under the project to recruit Maharishi Vedic Pandits, publicity literature is distributed in Indian villages, mostly in Hindi speaking areas, among people living under the poverty line. Children are enrolled with the permission of their parents, who are promised that their wards would be given education up to 12th standard, after which they would be turned into Pandits or masters of the art of Hindu religious rites and services. After some 10 to 15 years, the qualified Pandits are supposed to have a choice to either remain with the organisation and make a living, or leave the centre and work outside on their own. Investigations by Hi India have found that the kids of the programme, enrolled at the tender age of five years, were rarely provided education beyond fifth standard. After investigation by the newspaper, it came to light that these Vedic Pandits were brought to the US from India and were kept in makeshift trailer homes to be guarded by round-the-clock guards. When contacted, most officials of the Maharishi's Fairfield complex refused to comment. Only one of them suggested that these students might have "run away for immigration purposes". According to one Pandit, before the visa application at the US embassy in India, a contract is prepared and signed by the organization and the concerned Pandit for rules, regulations and compensation. The Pandits are initially sent to the US for two years, and thereafter, either their visa is extended for six more months or they are sent back and recalled for two more years. According to the report, a contract is drafted in English but the copy is neither given to Pandits nor is it translated or explained to the fifth-grader emigrants who do not even understand English. The contract states that they will be given $50 compensation while in the US and another $150 in India. This $150 is not given on a monthly basis to the families of the Pandits but, rather, is considered as bond money. "If the Pandit 'behaves well', his so-called compensation for two years is given to him or his family on his return from the US. The contract is prepared in a way to obtain visa," the report said. According to the newspaper, if the management of the Vedic City finds out that some Pandits are desperate to leave the US, a mock travel plan is chalked out and the Pandits are taken in a van to Chicago's O'Hare airport and dropped at the entry gate. After asking them to wait till the aircraft arrives while the van driver goes around and comes back in a short while. According to one Pandit who was about to flee, "some of the strong-willed Pandits run away from the airport for better prospects and the rest of them are picked up by the driver and taken back to the Vedic City". According to sources in the Indian consulate in Chicago, in a situation where an Indian passport holder is considered or presumed gone missing and his passport is left behind, it has to be returned immediately to the nearest Indian mission which has to also be informed about the circumstances in which the Indian citizen went missing. The Chicago consulate, however, says the GCWP has never returned or deposited any passport and neither has it shared any missing person information. According the sheriff's department and police department of Fairfield, Iowa, no missing person report h
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The why? The Pundit program? Chanting is the third technique promulgated. "Because when you look at the brain wave signatures of chanting the veda in sanskrit then the vedic chanting seems is a third technique along with TM and the TM-sidhis that demonstrates the global coherence of evident spirituality." .. . she remembers when Sanskrit was first introduced in to the Maharishi School for learning. She remembers it back to 1996. Everyone started with the sanskrit alphabet at school assemblies together. Faculty too. It was new then. Before that they could take French as a language. She was saying the college bound kids were alarmed at the change. After some semesters, like when she was a senior they would have sanskrit classes where they just chanted the vedic literature. And may be have discussions about the content of the literature. But it was mostly not about conjugation of verbs and such. It was centrally about chanting the sound value [in the physiology] of pronouncing the sanskrit. The Pundit program? Why? Benefit? Because when you look at the brain wave signatures of chanting the veda in sanskrit then the vedic chanting seems is a third technique along with TM and the TM-sidhis that demonstrates the global coherence of evident spirituality. Pundits in Vedic City?So, when it was recently not possible to bring westerners to the front to meditate in a large enough group then it was an obvious solution to the deficit Dome numbers to augment the group numbers by outsourcing with the pundit group. That was paid for and sustained by generous donations of high-minded people. It is a very large altruistic project with complex logistics and people in it playing out. The intent is good and there are a lot of hands involved. It ain't over yet. Aside from all that, this is about modern science and cultivating spirituality. Vedic Science. Get over it. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I agree with what you say. I understand the attitude of the MUM folks not wanting to look for the missing pundits in training - its just like their attitude towards everyone else - if you aren't working for us, making money for us or giving us good free PR we don't give a crap about you. The thing I can't figure out is why they recruit the boys to start with. It takes some money to feed,m house and transport them to the US - the only money I know of are the ongoing solicitations from Hagelin and other TMO big shots to give money to bring the pundits over here, and I know they claim it takes a couple million to do that. But aside from that, I don't see how it benefits the TMO to keep recruiting the boys. On Mon, 1/27/14, TurquoiseB mailto:turquoiseb@...> wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The New Maharishi Effect: 10% Missing Pundits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 27, 2014, 4:47 PM I simply cannot wait to see how the TM and TMO apologists here deal with this, and try to make excuses for it. Items I'd like to see them deal with are highlighted in red below. Can you say "We told you so?" We did, many times here on FFL. You didn't listen. The most fascinating part for me is that because of the "delayed payment" scam, it is likely that the GCWP has ever paid out a single penny of the $150 per month payments promised to the parents of these runaway kids. And never will. That's a scheme that Maharishi himself would have been proud of thinking up. Maybe he did. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > This is the full article from Hi India - more detailed than the al jazerra snipett - sordid stuff on the part of the TMO if true: > > Vedic Pandits go 'missing' in US, reports Hi India > IANS Chicago, January 26, 2014 | UPDATED 16:36 IST > > In a shocking revelation, as many as 163 Indians, most of them brought to the US as teenagers from villages in northern India to be trained into Vedic Pandits by two institutions set up by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi of transcendental meditation fame, appear to have gone missing over the last 12 months. > > Of the 1,050 young Indians brought to the Maharishi Vedic City and the Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield, Iowa, 163 - some of them just 19 years old - have gone missing in the last one year, Hi India, a Chicago-based weekly newspaper for the Indian community, reported in its latest issue. > > Both the Vedic city and the university are owned by the late Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's family. According to the report, the management running these places did not even care to trace the missing people. > > Even the Global Country of World Peace (GCWP), one of the many teaching centres set up by the India-born spiritual guru, does not know about the plight or f
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And yet the people who run the university don't know where the missing kids are nor do they give a rat's ass - and you think these guys are worth supporting? What are you going to say to some of the families when the mom's and dad's come to FAirfield looking for their missing boys? Are you gonna tell 'em - Gee I dunno, but its all for a worthy cause supported by high minded individuals? On Mon, 1/27/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The New Maharishi Effect: 10% Missing Pundits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 27, 2014, 6:21 PM Why? Benefit? Because when you look at the brain wave signatures of chanting the veda in sanskrit then the vedic chanting seems is a third technique along with TM and the TM-sidhis that demonstrates the global coherence of evident spirituality. So, when it was recently not possible to bring westerners to the front to meditate in a large enough group then it was an obvious solution to the deficit Dome numbers to augment the group numbers by outsourcing to the pundit group. That was paid for and sustained by generous donations of high-minded people. It is a very large altruistic project with complex logistics and people in it playing out. The intent is good and there are a lot of hands involved. It ain't over yet. Aside from all that, this is about modern science and cultivating spirituality. Vedic Science. Get over it. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I agree with what you say. I understand the attitude of the MUM folks not wanting to look for the missing pundits in training - its just like their attitude towards everyone else - if you aren't working for us, making money for us or giving us good free PR we don't give a crap about you. The thing I can't figure out is why they recruit the boys to start with. It takes some money to feed,m house and transport them to the US - the only money I know of are the ongoing solicitations from Hagelin and other TMO big shots to give money to bring the pundits over here, and I know they claim it takes a couple million to do that. But aside from that, I don't see how it benefits the TMO to keep recruiting the boys. On Mon, 1/27/14, TurquoiseB wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The New Maharishi Effect: 10% Missing Pundits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 27, 2014, 4:47 PM I simply cannot wait to see how the TM and TMO apologists here deal with this, and try to make excuses for it. Items I'd like to see them deal with are highlighted in red below. Can you say "We told you so?" We did, many times here on FFL. You didn't listen. The most fascinating part for me is that because of the "delayed payment" scam, it is likely that the GCWP has ever paid out a single penny of the $150 per month payments promised to the parents of these runaway kids. And never will. That's a scheme that Maharishi himself would have been proud of thinking up. Maybe he did. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > This is the full article from Hi India - more detailed than the al jazerra snipett - sordid stuff on the part of the TMO if true: > > Vedic Pandits go 'missing' in US, reports Hi India > IANS Chicago, January 26, 2014 | UPDATED 16:36 IST > > In a shocking revelation, as many as 163 Indians, most of them brought to the US as teenagers from villages in northern India to be trained into Vedic Pandits by two institutions set up by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi of transcendental meditation fame, appear to have gone missing over the last 12 months. > > Of the 1,050 young Indians brought to the Maharishi Vedic City and the Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield, Iowa, 163 - some of them just 19 years old - have gone missing in the last one year, Hi India, a Chicago-based weekly newspaper for the Indian community, reported in its latest issue. > > Both the Vedic city and the university are owned by the late Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's family. According to the report, the management running these places did not even care to trace the missing people. > > Even the Global Country of World Peace (GCWP), one of the many teaching centres set up b
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Why? Benefit? Because when you look at the brain wave signatures of chanting the veda in sanskrit then the vedic chanting seems is a third technique along with TM and the TM-sidhis that demonstrates the global coherence of evident spirituality. So, when it was recently not possible to bring westerners to the front to meditate in a large enough group then it was an obvious solution to the deficit Dome numbers to augment the group numbers by outsourcing to the pundit group. That was paid for and sustained by generous donations of high-minded people. It is a very large altruistic project with complex logistics and people in it playing out. The intent is good and there are a lot of hands involved. It ain't over yet. Aside from all that, this is about modern science and cultivating spirituality. Vedic Science. Get over it. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I agree with what you say. I understand the attitude of the MUM folks not wanting to look for the missing pundits in training - its just like their attitude towards everyone else - if you aren't working for us, making money for us or giving us good free PR we don't give a crap about you. The thing I can't figure out is why they recruit the boys to start with. It takes some money to feed,m house and transport them to the US - the only money I know of are the ongoing solicitations from Hagelin and other TMO big shots to give money to bring the pundits over here, and I know they claim it takes a couple million to do that. But aside from that, I don't see how it benefits the TMO to keep recruiting the boys. On Mon, 1/27/14, TurquoiseB mailto:turquoiseb@...> wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The New Maharishi Effect: 10% Missing Pundits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 27, 2014, 4:47 PM I simply cannot wait to see how the TM and TMO apologists here deal with this, and try to make excuses for it. Items I'd like to see them deal with are highlighted in red below. Can you say "We told you so?" We did, many times here on FFL. You didn't listen. The most fascinating part for me is that because of the "delayed payment" scam, it is likely that the GCWP has ever paid out a single penny of the $150 per month payments promised to the parents of these runaway kids. And never will. That's a scheme that Maharishi himself would have been proud of thinking up. Maybe he did. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > This is the full article from Hi India - more detailed than the al jazerra snipett - sordid stuff on the part of the TMO if true: > > Vedic Pandits go 'missing' in US, reports Hi India > IANS Chicago, January 26, 2014 | UPDATED 16:36 IST > > In a shocking revelation, as many as 163 Indians, most of them brought to the US as teenagers from villages in northern India to be trained into Vedic Pandits by two institutions set up by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi of transcendental meditation fame, appear to have gone missing over the last 12 months. > > Of the 1,050 young Indians brought to the Maharishi Vedic City and the Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield, Iowa, 163 - some of them just 19 years old - have gone missing in the last one year, Hi India, a Chicago-based weekly newspaper for the Indian community, reported in its latest issue. > > Both the Vedic city and the university are owned by the late Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's family. According to the report, the management running these places did not even care to trace the missing people. > > Even the Global Country of World Peace (GCWP), one of the many teaching centres set up by the India-born spiritual guru, does not know about the plight or flight of these Vedic scholars called 'world peace professionals'. > > "They have jumped the fence for immigration purposes or for chasing their American Dream," the newspaper quoted the varsity bosses as saying. > > The GCWP runs a Vedic Pandit programme claiming to "bring about peace on earth where there will be no war". > > Under the project to recruit Maharishi Vedic Pandits, publicity literature is distributed in Indian villages, mostly in Hindi speaking areas, among people living under the poverty line. Children are enrolled with the permission of their parents, who are promised that their wards would be given education up to 12th standard, after which they would be turned into Pandits or masters of the art of Hindu religious rites and services. > > After some 10 to 15 years, the qualified Pandits are supposed to have a choice to either remain with the organisation and make a living, or leave the centre and work outside on their own. > > Investigations by Hi India have found that the kids of the programme, enrolled at the tender age of fiv
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The New Maharishi Effect: 10% Missing Pundits
I agree with what you say. I understand the attitude of the MUM folks not wanting to look for the missing pundits in training - its just like their attitude towards everyone else - if you aren't working for us, making money for us or giving us good free PR we don't give a crap about you. The thing I can't figure out is why they recruit the boys to start with. It takes some money to feed,m house and transport them to the US - the only money I know of are the ongoing solicitations from Hagelin and other TMO big shots to give money to bring the pundits over here, and I know they claim it takes a couple million to do that. But aside from that, I don't see how it benefits the TMO to keep recruiting the boys. On Mon, 1/27/14, TurquoiseB wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The New Maharishi Effect: 10% Missing Pundits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 27, 2014, 4:47 PM I simply cannot wait to see how the TM and TMO apologists here deal with this, and try to make excuses for it. Items I'd like to see them deal with are highlighted in red below. Can you say "We told you so?" We did, many times here on FFL. You didn't listen. The most fascinating part for me is that because of the "delayed payment" scam, it is likely that the GCWP has ever paid out a single penny of the $150 per month payments promised to the parents of these runaway kids. And never will. That's a scheme that Maharishi himself would have been proud of thinking up. Maybe he did. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > This is the full article from Hi India - more detailed than the al jazerra snipett - sordid stuff on the part of the TMO if true: > > Vedic Pandits go 'missing' in US, reports Hi India > IANS Chicago, January 26, 2014 | UPDATED 16:36 IST > > In a shocking revelation, as many as 163 Indians, most of them brought to the US as teenagers from villages in northern India to be trained into Vedic Pandits by two institutions set up by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi of transcendental meditation fame, appear to have gone missing over the last 12 months. > > Of the 1,050 young Indians brought to the Maharishi Vedic City and the Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield, Iowa, 163 - some of them just 19 years old - have gone missing in the last one year, Hi India, a Chicago-based weekly newspaper for the Indian community, reported in its latest issue. > > Both the Vedic city and the university are owned by the late Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's family. According to the report, the management running these places did not even care to trace the missing people. > > Even the Global Country of World Peace (GCWP), one of the many teaching centres set up by the India-born spiritual guru, does not know about the plight or flight of these Vedic scholars called 'world peace professionals'. > > "They have jumped the fence for immigration purposes or for chasing their American Dream," the newspaper quoted the varsity bosses as saying. > > The GCWP runs a Vedic Pandit programme claiming to "bring about peace on earth where there will be no war". > > Under the project to recruit Maharishi Vedic Pandits, publicity literature is distributed in Indian villages, mostly in Hindi speaking areas, among people living under the poverty line. Children are enrolled with the permission of their parents, who are promised that their wards would be given education up to 12th standard, after which they would be turned into Pandits or masters of the art of Hindu religious rites and services. > > After some 10 to 15 years, the qualified Pandits are supposed to have a choice to either remain with the organisation and make a living, or leave the centre and work outside on their own. > > Investigations by Hi India have found that the kids of the programme, enrolled at the tender age of five years, were rarely provided education beyond fifth standard. After investigation by the newspaper, it came to light that these Vedic Pandits were brought to the US from India and were kept in makeshift trailer homes to be guarded by round-the-clock guards. > > When contacted, most officials of the Maharishi's Fairfield complex refused to comment. Only one of them suggested that these students might have "run away for immigration purposes". > > According to one Pandit, before the visa application at the US embassy in India, a contract is prepared and signed by the organization and the concerned Pandit for rules, regulations and compensation. The Pandits are initially sent to the US for two years, and thereafter, either their visa is extended for six more months or they are sent back and recalled for two more years. > > According to the report, a contract is drafted in English but the copy is neither given
