Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Being Condescending ...
authfriend wrote: >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>authfriend wrote: >> >> > > > >>>I don't understand why anybody would start a brand-new >>>thread by replying to an old one, when it's so easy to >>>start a new one, and you don't have to delete the text >>>of the post you're replying to, since you're not >>>replying to anything. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>My point exactly. >> >> > >Yeah, but you've been complaining about child threads >being retitled, not about people starting brand-new >threads by replying to an old thread. > I've been mentioning that too. Again "complaining" is a bit wrong, I've only been mentioning it in passing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Being Condescending ...
authfriend wrote: >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>authfriend wrote: >> >> > > > >>>I'm not a programmer, but I've been participating >>>in electronic forums, via BBSs, email, newsgroups, >>>and on the Web for over 20 years, and I've never >>>heard the term "thread hijacking" except from >>>you. I have no idea what it's supposed to mean. >>> >>> >>> >>Probably because it may not be possible much of anywhere else >>except Yahoo Groups. >> >> > >But Vaj says it's a common phrase from "the earlier >days on the net," and Yahoo Groups is quite recent. > > It may not be apparent unless you are using an email > > >>client. What it means is trying to start a new thread by taking an >>existing message and just changing the subject line. >> >> > >An entirely new thead, or a tangent of the original >one, where the discussion has changed course and the >heading no longer applies? > >Folks used to do this on Usenet all the time, putting >the original thread title in parens preceded by "Was:" >and nobody ever objected. It still happens now on >Google Groups' Usenet newsgroups, and Google keeps >all the subthreads together with the original (or >Usenet does, and Google doesn't change that). > >When it's a *tangent* to the original, sometimes it's >useful to be able to go back and see where it branched >off. > >I don't understand why anybody would start a brand-new >thread by replying to an old one, when it's so easy to >start a new one, and you don't have to delete the text >of the post you're replying to, since you're not >replying to anything. > > My point exactly. > > >>I've mentioned this before here particularly last year and got >>mocked for bringing it up (anywhere else you may get mocked for >>doing it). >> >> > >Starting a brand-new thread by replying to a post in >an old thread and deleting the text of the post, perhaps. >I've never seen anyone but you get exercised when a >thread is retitled when it takes off in a new direction. >Often the old part continues in parallel. And there can >be quite a few branches off the old thread, all related >on some level, but dealing with different aspects of the >original topic. > > > >>But the person whom >>I was responding to was asking why the subject changed and that >>would be considered a thread hijacking. >> >> > >No, not when it's a branch off the old thread. That >just doesn't make any sense. You *should* leave in >the old title in parens, though. > > I think that doing that should actually > > >>create a new thread in the database but apparently the Yahoo >>database system can't handle that. >> >> > >Neither can Google's (or Usenet's, whichever one it >is that handles the threads--I've never been sure). >And personally, I don't think it should. Google >calls a thread with subthreads a "tree," because >the subthreads branch off. > > Yahoo apparently uses their message numbers > > >>to keep the thread order. I'm sure there were many CF's in the >> >> >Yahoo > > >>boardroom over this. :) >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Being Condescending ...
TurquoiseB wrote: >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>authfriend wrote: >> >> >>>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Wrong. Thread hijacking is considered bad netiquette and you'll get bashed for it on other lists. I've been a programmer for over 20 years and have been using email and online clients for that long. I think I might know a little about how these things work. >>> >>>I'm not a programmer, but I've been participating >>>in electronic forums, via BBSs, email, newsgroups, >>>and on the Web for over 20 years, and I've never >>>heard the term "thread hijacking" except from >>>you. I have no idea what it's supposed to mean. >>> >>> >>Here's more on the subject: >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_Hijacking >> >> > >I don't really give a shit about threading, period, >since I've discovered that it's more fun for me to >read forums such as this one in strict chronological >order than it is to read them 'threaded.' > >But, that said, doesn't the following definition >from Wikipedia... > >@ Thread hijacking is the act of taking a forum >@ discussion thread off topic by discussing a >@ subject entirely unrelated to the subject at hand. >@ >@ While this can be an intentional act of trolling, >@ it is often accidental - caused by other participants >@ in the discussion responding to a throwaway remark, >@ taking the thread off at a tangent to the original >@ subject matter. The results, whilst often humourous, >@ often extract a feeling of resentment from the author >@ of the post. > >...sound a lot like EGO to you? :-) > >I mean, somebody introduces a concept and then gets >uptight when someone takes the concept off in directions >he or she didn't intend? I'm picturing Aretha Franklin >singing, A T T A C H M E N T. > >:-) > >What you're complaining about with Thunderbird, by the >way, is a limitation of ITS software. It was designed >with certain protocols in mind, as if they were standards. >They weren't. > No it isn't a limitation of Thunderbird which is very flexible. Have you ever even used it? This is so funny, a bunch who embraces coherence embracing incoherence. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Being Condescending ...
authfriend wrote: >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>authfriend wrote: >> >> > > > >>>I'm not a programmer, but I've been participating >>>in electronic forums, via BBSs, email, newsgroups, >>>and on the Web for over 20 years, and I've never >>>heard the term "thread hijacking" except from >>>you. I have no idea what it's supposed to mean. >>> >>> >>> >>Here's more on the subject: >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_Hijacking >> >> > >But this isn't how you've defined it. You're >all upset about the title changes, but Wikipedia's >definition doesn't even mention title changes: > > > Subject line = title. And besides I'm not all upset, I just mentioned it in passing but mentioning sure got a bunch with their panties in a knot. :) >"Thread hijacking is the act of taking a forum discussion thread off >topic by discussing a subject entirely unrelated to the subject at >hand. > >"While this can be an intentional act of trolling, it is often >accidental - caused by other participants in the discussion >responding to a throwaway remark, taking the thread off at a tangent >to the original subject matter. The results, whilst often humourous, >often extract a feeling of resentment from the author of the post." > >This is something people have done as long as I've >been participating in electronic forums, and I've >never seen anyone express resentment. It isn't even >"accidental" per se (and in my experience it's rarely >trolling). > >In any case, the two paragraphs are contradictory. It's >one thing to go off on a tangent, and quite another to >introduce "a subject entirely unrelated to the subject >at hand." > >Now, notice what follows; changing the thread title >is discussed as a special case: > >"Many people find that they are scolded on a list or newsgroup for >thread hijacking despite the fact that they changed the subject line, >which would seem to them to create a new thread. Most news and mail >readers use other headers such as References: to track and build the >thread of messages by message ID, and changing the subject line does >not change the actual threading." > >So you're wrong to suggest that this only happens >on Yahoo; as far as Wikipedia is concerned, it's >standard. > >"Therefore, one should always compose a new (and therefore reference- >free) message when changing topics. Alternatively one can start a new >thread for the new topic and link to the previous thread." > >And how does one "link to the previous thread"? Maybe >that was possible on old Usenet, although I never saw >it mentioned and have no idea how it would have been >done. > >In any case, I still think the "tree" structure is a >good one in many cases. It works very well on Google, >but Yahoo's new implementation of it is impenetrable >(and its "Up thread" option simply doesn't work at all). > > > >Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_hijacking"; > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Being Condescending ...
authfriend wrote: >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>Wrong. Thread hijacking is considered bad netiquette and you'll >>get bashed for it on other lists. I've been a programmer for over >>20 years and have been using email and online clients for that >>long. I think I might know a little about how these things work. >> >> > >I'm not a programmer, but I've been participating >in electronic forums, via BBSs, email, newsgroups, >and on the Web for over 20 years, and I've never >heard the term "thread hijacking" except from >you. I have no idea what it's supposed to mean. > Here's more on the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_Hijacking Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Being Condescending ...
On Jul 13, 2006, at 5:45 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jul 13, 2006, at 4:22 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Wrong. Thread hijacking is considered bad netiquette and you'll get bashed for it on other lists. I've been a programmer for over 20 years and have been using email and online clients for that long. I think I might know a little about how these things work. I'm not a programmer, but I've been participating in electronic forums, via BBSs, email, newsgroups, and on the Web for over 20 years, and I've never heard the term "thread hijacking" except from you. I have no idea what it's supposed to mean. I have. It was considered inconsiderate in earlier days on the net and still is to some people. Some private lists I'm on have rules about this kinda thing. Moderators may even nose in and make comments or even bump people. Says Vaj, very carefully *not* explaining what "thread hijacking" is, so he can preserve his image as someone who has privileged knowledge. Really quite amazing. It's already been explained here numerous times (even though many probably knew already). The only amazing thing is your wild conclusions! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Being Condescending ...
authfriend wrote: >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>Wrong. Thread hijacking is considered bad netiquette and you'll >>get bashed for it on other lists. I've been a programmer for over >>20 years and have been using email and online clients for that >>long. I think I might know a little about how these things work. >> >> > >I'm not a programmer, but I've been participating >in electronic forums, via BBSs, email, newsgroups, >and on the Web for over 20 years, and I've never >heard the term "thread hijacking" except from >you. I have no idea what it's supposed to mean. > Probably because it may not be possible much of anywhere else except Yahoo Groups. It may not be apparent unless you are using an email client. What it means is trying to start a new thread by taking an existing message and just changing the subject line. I've mentioned this before here particularly last year and got mocked for bringing it up (anywhere else you may get mocked for doing it). But the person whom I was responding to was asking why the subject changed and that would be considered a thread hijacking. I think that doing that should actually create a new thread in the database but apparently the Yahoo database system can't handle that. Yahoo apparently uses their message numbers to keep the thread order. I'm sure there were many CF's in the Yahoo boardroom over this. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Being Condescending ...
On Jul 13, 2006, at 4:22 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wrong. Thread hijacking is considered bad netiquette and you'll get bashed for it on other lists. I've been a programmer for over 20 years and have been using email and online clients for that long. I think I might know a little about how these things work. I'm not a programmer, but I've been participating in electronic forums, via BBSs, email, newsgroups, and on the Web for over 20 years, and I've never heard the term "thread hijacking" except from you. I have no idea what it's supposed to mean. I have. It was considered inconsiderate in earlier days on the net and still is to some people. Some private lists I'm on have rules about this kinda thing. Moderators may even nose in and make comments or even bump people. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
