Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cosmic Stuff to salya808
808, have to thank you for making me laugh out loud this morning with that question about oxcart's name. Ok, if everybody is simply responding to the brain impulses in their own head, then how the heck do people communicate with each other? From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 6:01 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cosmic Stuff --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: --- mjackson74 mjackson74@ wrote: Quantum waves of energy move through infinite consciousness constantly. Every expression of this consciousness has a chakra system of spiraling energy. Through meditation we become aware of this spiraling energy first within our own body and soul, then as we expand we feel the orbits of the planets, stars and galaxies within this same consciousness. Until we become enlightened, we do not notice the greater fields of consciousness expressing itself as this entire universe. We only notice our own energy emotionally and physically. What a grand surprise to discover we are this entire universe and notice every detail! Then we laugh and realize this body and soul are such a small part of our infinite being. why were we so serious! The above is something Bob Fickes (former TM teacher) posted on his facebook page - dunno if he wrote it or is quoting it from someplace else, but I liked it. Wow, I just fall asleep! --- salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: When meditating I mean But after waking up and getting my sceptical hat on this typifies for me what I say about the structure of so-called revealed knowledge through meditation. That it's nothing of the sort, the mind isn't a quantum thing resonating ever deeper and unfolding into some infinite state of oneness with the rest of creation. If it was the enlightened sages would have seen the planets beyond the orbit of saturn. In fact that would have been proof of some sort of extra expansive sensory awareness. But they didn't, so we have a convenient disproof or at least an embarrassing question for Mr Nader to answer.. But as it is they tell us nothing we didn't already know. IMO the state of unity is our normal waking state with a few bits rearranged or removed by the parts of the brain that help generate it being temporarily downsized by, maybe, changes in blood flow during meditation. How the TM state afffects our inner world view should be a priority at MUM I think. And this also solves one of Hameroff's mysteries, namely that of the similarity of mystical states reported by religions the world over. Not the accessing of the same quantum super- reality after all. Perhaps. Salyavin, research in the past 20 years does indicate that the first person ontology is not always a reliable and accurate indicator of reality. Kind of the point I was making old chap ;-) It has to be corroborated with some objective scientific data. Alteration of mental states and states of consciousness with drugs, hallucinations, imaginations, delusions, dreams, none of which actually reflect reality. Reality. Nothing you have *ever* experienced reflects reality, our brains just give us enough information to get by. We don't see most of the electromagnetic spectrum, we don't hear most sounds and what info we do get is filtered unconsciously so we don't get too confused by everything that's going on around us. While I'm on the subject, even in unity consciousness you don't experience everything as the unconscious (where most thinking and decision making takes place) is still fully functioning, the idea we can percieve the finest levels of nature in any state is a seductive bit of kiddology that helped perpetuate the TM teaching and kept us in thrall of the big boss and his alleged ability to be at one with some sort of alleged ultimate level, and stopped anyone questioning him too no doubt. Aren't people funny!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cosmic Stuff
Hi Salya, I agree that there isn't much objectivity in people. Or even in science or journalism. But I do think acknowledging that helps mitigate the situation, helps us discern where we're able to be objective and where we're not. More later, off to Dome, thank you for your insights. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 6:01 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cosmic Stuff --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: --- mjackson74 mjackson74@ wrote: Quantum waves of energy move through infinite consciousness constantly. Every expression of this consciousness has a chakra system of spiraling energy. Through meditation we become aware of this spiraling energy first within our own body and soul, then as we expand we feel the orbits of the planets, stars and galaxies within this same consciousness. Until we become enlightened, we do not notice the greater fields of consciousness expressing itself as this entire universe. We only notice our own energy emotionally and physically. What a grand surprise to discover we are this entire universe and notice every detail! Then we laugh and realize this body and soul are such a small part of our infinite being. why were we so serious! The above is something Bob Fickes (former TM teacher) posted on his facebook page - dunno if he wrote it or is quoting it from someplace else, but I liked it. Wow, I just fall asleep! --- salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: When meditating I mean But after waking up and getting my sceptical hat on this typifies for me what I say about the structure of so-called revealed knowledge through meditation. That it's nothing of the sort, the mind isn't a quantum thing resonating ever deeper and unfolding into some infinite state of oneness with the rest of creation. If it was the enlightened sages would have seen the planets beyond the orbit of saturn. In fact that would have been proof of some sort of extra expansive sensory awareness. But they didn't, so we have a convenient disproof or at least an embarrassing question for Mr Nader to answer.. But as it is they tell us nothing we didn't already know. IMO the state of unity is our normal waking state with a few bits rearranged or removed by the parts of the brain that help generate it being temporarily downsized by, maybe, changes in blood flow during meditation. How the TM state afffects our inner world view should be a priority at MUM I think. And this also solves one of Hameroff's mysteries, namely that of the similarity of mystical states reported by religions the world over. Not the accessing of the same quantum super- reality after all. Perhaps. Salyavin, research in the past 20 years does indicate that the first person ontology is not always a reliable and accurate indicator of reality. Kind of the point I was making old chap ;-) It has to be corroborated with some objective scientific data. Alteration of mental states and states of consciousness with drugs, hallucinations, imaginations, delusions, dreams, none of which actually reflect reality. Reality. Nothing you have *ever* experienced reflects reality, our brains just give us enough information to get by. We don't see most of the electromagnetic spectrum, we don't hear most sounds and what info we do get is filtered unconsciously so we don't get too confused by everything that's going on around us. While I'm on the subject, even in unity consciousness you don't experience everything as the unconscious (where most thinking and decision making takes place) is still fully functioning, the idea we can percieve the finest levels of nature in any state is a seductive bit of kiddology that helped perpetuate the TM teaching and kept us in thrall of the big boss and his alleged ability to be at one with some sort of alleged ultimate level, and stopped anyone questioning him too no doubt. Aren't people funny!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cosmic Stuff
Hmm - none of you would appreciate the writings of Gopi Krishna From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 7:01 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cosmic Stuff --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: --- mjackson74 mjackson74@ wrote: Quantum waves of energy move through infinite consciousness constantly. Every expression of this consciousness has a chakra system of spiraling energy. Through meditation we become aware of this spiraling energy first within our own body and soul, then as we expand we feel the orbits of the planets, stars and galaxies within this same consciousness. Until we become enlightened, we do not notice the greater fields of consciousness expressing itself as this entire universe. We only notice our own energy emotionally and physically. What a grand surprise to discover we are this entire universe and notice every detail! Then we laugh and realize this body and soul are such a small part of our infinite being. why were we so serious! The above is something Bob Fickes (former TM teacher) posted on his facebook page - dunno if he wrote it or is quoting it from someplace else, but I liked it. Wow, I just fall asleep! --- salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: When meditating I mean But after waking up and getting my sceptical hat on this typifies for me what I say about the structure of so-called revealed knowledge through meditation. That it's nothing of the sort, the mind isn't a quantum thing resonating ever deeper and unfolding into some infinite state of oneness with the rest of creation. If it was the enlightened sages would have seen the planets beyond the orbit of saturn. In fact that would have been proof of some sort of extra expansive sensory awareness. But they didn't, so we have a convenient disproof or at least an embarrassing question for Mr Nader to answer.. But as it is they tell us nothing we didn't already know. IMO the state of unity is our normal waking state with a few bits rearranged or removed by the parts of the brain that help generate it being temporarily downsized by, maybe, changes in blood flow during meditation. How the TM state afffects our inner world view should be a priority at MUM I think. And this also solves one of Hameroff's mysteries, namely that of the similarity of mystical states reported by religions the world over. Not the accessing of the same quantum super- reality after all. Perhaps. Salyavin, research in the past 20 years does indicate that the first person ontology is not always a reliable and accurate indicator of reality. Kind of the point I was making old chap ;-) It has to be corroborated with some objective scientific data. Alteration of mental states and states of consciousness with drugs, hallucinations, imaginations, delusions, dreams, none of which actually reflect reality. Reality. Nothing you have *ever* experienced reflects reality, our brains just give us enough information to get by. We don't see most of the electromagnetic spectrum, we don't hear most sounds and what info we do get is filtered unconsciously so we don't get too confused by everything that's going on around us. While I'm on the subject, even in unity consciousness you don't experience everything as the unconscious (where most thinking and decision making takes place) is still fully functioning, the idea we can percieve the finest levels of nature in any state is a seductive bit of kiddology that helped perpetuate the TM teaching and kept us in thrall of the big boss and his alleged ability to be at one with some sort of alleged ultimate level, and stopped anyone questioning him too no doubt. Aren't people funny!
