Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dark night of the soul described
On Dec 6, 2005, at 11:16 AM, ultrarishi wrote:True enough. Powerlessness over (fill in the blank) is one helluva foundation to start from. But, I always liked the clarification that the Serenity (Senility?) Prayer gave: God, Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. In the "yoga" of the 12 steps the Serenity Prayer is really a prayer about developing the mind's/spirit's discriminating abilities. One maybe powerless over the behavior of another (an alcoholic parent, spouse, etc.), but one CAN choose to not spend time, etc. with the person, breaking the cycle of endless suffering because the codependent is playing God thinking they can affect the other's behavior. Also, the alcoholic or drug addict etc. may not be able to give up their addiction forever, but they can give it up for 1 hour or 1 day at a time. I think TB's are expecting too much from just Transcending and not putting enough energy into the activity phase. 12 steps kind of balances out my meditation practice by getting me off my ass to work at doing service, cleaning up my messes, finding ways to know myself better so that I know others better. It's part of my sadhana as much as TM and aerobics are. And I hate 12 step and fitness TB'ers as much as I hate TM TB'ers. It would be interesting to see what kind of results you would get from recovering 12-step people undergoing intense purification practice like is undergone by tantric yogis. For fellow practitioners I've known for years who did this practice, they seem like different people, the difference is that palpable. They seem kinder, gentler, like the rough edges are gone. And they just put out a different vibe than they did before.At the same time it would be helpful, IMO, to engage in a spiritual practice which conveyed through direct experience that the personality is not a real thing. It's just an illusion. Once the grasping to that false image stops, the person inevitably and just naturally softens and changes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dark night of the soul described
On Dec 5, 2005, at 9:23 AM, authfriend wrote:I'm curious as to what Andy Rymer would have done to shorten your dark night. (I don't know who he is; I've just seen his name mentioned often by TMers.) Maybe lengthen something else in a van at the edge of town? :-)Andy is "Unity Andy". Another example of the Pervarishi Effect? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dark night of the soul described
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dark night of the soul described
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dark night of the soul described
On Dec 5, 2005, at 10:37 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 5, 2005, at 9:23 AM, authfriend wrote: I'm curious as to what Andy Rymer would have done to shorten your dark night. (I don't know who he is; I've just seen his name mentioned often by TMers.) Maybe lengthen something else in a van at the edge of town? :-) The final stroke, perhaps? :-) I'll defer to Tom on that one. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dark night of the soul described
On Dec 5, 2005, at 10:44 AM, Peter wrote:Maybe it's not a game. Perhaps he's as realized guy with a penchant for penis. And the Rectified Field? :-)))His picture puts off a nice, friendly vibe. He would be interesting to meet. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
