Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homosexuality *IS* a choice!
Well, life *is* a school and karma is evident everywhere, if one adopts that paradigm. Although mine feels like a punishment at times - too much rumination, too much judgement and far too self-centered, no doubt, which crowds out gratitude at the very least. Moving on. I don't believe however, that one version of sexuality is *better* or *worse* than another...call it my opinion. Bliss eludes me, but than, I haven't done the work to achieve it (yet). Have a lovely Mother's Day. From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homosexuality *IS* a choice! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Sorry, I meant transgender individual. Â From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homosexuality *IS* a choice! snip Yes, it is a choice, and a good one IMO. So, as a soul, you said I choose to reincarnate as a heterosexual because I need that experience to be accord with the Law of Nature and the Divine Plan. Â After all, in my past life I was an Indian transgender female and that didn't go so well for me. Â Very possible, but let's not forget the purpose of sex itself-procreation! That's way they call them your reproductive organs and not your Saturday night organs.;-) As one spiritually evolves I believe sex becomes less and less important especially when you are growing into an experience so blissful it makes the pleasure of sex seem like child's play in comparison. At most people's current evolution sex is very important, like, gee, how could I ever live without it! Eventually the sex force is sublimated and it becomes the *spiritual marriage* of Shiva (the God Self) and Shakti (kundalini shakti) within your own physiology, bliss beyond the superlative PS We are punished by our sins, not for our sins, through the impersonal LAW of karma whose purpose is not to punish but to instruct. Life is a school...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homosexuality *IS* a choice!
This chant is one of my favorites with more typical pronunciation. She has a lovely voice. IMHO, your assigning your criteria re: what sexual orientations are a part of the Natural Order, and which are not, is a pretty arrogant position, but so be it. Doesn't make any sense to me, but that's the reality I live in, I guess. Perhaps you will be a lesbian-identified bisexual in your next life :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j2BxkCSmiQ From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 8:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homosexuality *IS* a choice! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: O.K. Â But that last line is out of sync with the rest of what you said, isn't it? Â After all, what does natural law have to do with masters of our own destiny? Â If we are the masters, then how can being gay, or any other variation on sexuality (and there are more than just hetero- and homo-sexual) btw, be out of sync? Â We are the Masters of our own destiny, but sometimes we are the poor Masters and consequently fall into sorrow and suffering. It is up to us (and the will power generated through meditation) to align our lives with Natural Law in order to be completely happy, this is the Divine Plan. It's called floating on the River of Tao in Buddhism, going with the flow of life, (the Tao, the Divine law or Course of life), that which brings all things to happy fulfillment. *Obedience* is the discipline that binds one to that eternal infinite. Let 'THY' will be done. Namaste. OM Mani Padme OM (though I'm not a Buddhist, just for fun, good chant below). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbgHZWwyhcQfeature=related
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homosexuality *IS* a choice!
snip Yes, it is a choice, and a good one IMO. So, as a soul, you said I choose to reincarnate as a heterosexual because I need that experience to be accord with the Law of Nature and the Divine Plan. After all, in my past life I was an Indian transgender female and that didn't go so well for me. From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 3:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homosexuality *IS* a choice! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: If homosexuality is a choice, then that means heterosexuality is too. Yes, it is a choice, and a good one IMO. And if the choice is available, you can't really get too angry at people for choosing one or the other. God has given us the freewill to do as we please. Why should I get angry over somebody else s karma? Freewill is part of God's plan, we learn either way, the hard way or the easier way. Excellent. Well said. OTOH, the fact that this is even a discussion, in the midst of all the violence in the world, rapes, kidnapping of young children and human trafficking, I find it very difficult to understand people who are so vehemently against homosexuality. Just because A person may have a different opinion about homosexuality DOES NOT mean they're evil, angry, a homophobe, a bigot, or even need to change. An opinion has, I repeat, has NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW YOU TREAT YOUR FELLOW HUMAN BEING! We are commanded to Love our neighbor, as ourselves regardless of sexual status or otherwise, what tomfoolery to suggest otherwise or to engage in name calling, (as some on this forum have) and so immature! Too bad some folks have so little tolerance for others opinions, I guess they feel so Self-Righteous they feel especially ordained and have a right to sit in Judgement of those who differ, or to even engage in verbal assaults with impunity.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homosexuality *IS* a choice!
Sorry, I meant transgender individual. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homosexuality *IS* a choice! snip Yes, it is a choice, and a good one IMO. So, as a soul, you said I choose to reincarnate as a heterosexual because I need that experience to be accord with the Law of Nature and the Divine Plan. After all, in my past life I was an Indian transgender female and that didn't go so well for me. From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 3:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homosexuality *IS* a choice! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: If homosexuality is a choice, then that means heterosexuality is too. Yes, it is a choice, and a good one IMO. And if the choice is available, you can't really get too angry at people for choosing one or the other. God has given us the freewill to do as we please. Why should I get angry over somebody else s karma? Freewill is part of God's plan, we learn either way, the hard way or the easier way. Excellent. Well said. OTOH, the fact that this is even a discussion, in the midst of all the violence in the world, rapes, kidnapping of young children and human trafficking, I find it very difficult to understand people who are so vehemently against homosexuality. Just because A person may have a different opinion about homosexuality DOES NOT mean they're evil, angry, a homophobe, a bigot, or even need to change. An opinion has, I repeat, has NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW YOU TREAT YOUR FELLOW HUMAN BEING! We are commanded to Love our neighbor, as ourselves regardless of sexual status or otherwise, what tomfoolery to suggest otherwise or to engage in name calling, (as some on this forum have) and so immature! Too bad some folks have so little tolerance for others opinions, I guess they feel so Self-Righteous they feel especially ordained and have a right to sit in Judgement of those who differ, or to even engage in verbal assaults with impunity.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homosexuality *IS* a choice!
O.K. But that last line is out of sync with the rest of what you said, isn't it? After all, what does natural law have to do with masters of our own destiny? If we are the masters, then how can being gay, or any other variation on sexuality (and there are more than just hetero- and homo-sexual) btw, be out of sync? From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 7:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homosexuality *IS* a choice! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: snip PS I thought my analysis as to why people are 'born' homosexual was rather brilliant actually, sorry you didn't appreciate it. Though I can't vouch for the veracity of Reincarnation it certainly rings true that this would be a reason people are born homosexual. Yes, the theory provides a reason why people are born at all, regardless of their sexuality or race or place in the world. Â I think the trigger is calling out homosexuality as something that a fair and just God wouldn't do, like it is not as good an option as being born heterosexual, or bi-sexual or, etc. Â Like it's some kind of karmic punishment. That's all. Â Can't you be objective? WE are the Masters of our own destiny, that's the whole point. If God were to randomly decide FOR us, that would undermine the very foundation of FREE WILL, that's why it would be unfair. We aren't the victims of destiny, we are the creators of destiny, determined BY our CHOICES. As to your other point, I would submit to you homosexuality is out of harmony with natural law and therefor undesirable, IMO. From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homosexuality *IS* a choice! Â --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. Funny how a bigot never thinks he's a bigot no matter how loudly everyone hears him quack. BillyG thinks it's O.K. to *think* like a bigot as long as he doesn't *act* like a bigot. LOL. Riight...and no one ever thought about wearing a hood and burning a cross on a black guy's lawn before acting upon it. BillyG, perhaps you have yet to indulge your inner bigot by beating the crap out of a gay guy, but at least admit you're a bigot in thought, if not in word and deed. Come out of the closet and embrace your inner bigot. Admitting you have an bigotry problem is the first step in recovery. Can't stand the message? Kill the messenger?!, With name calling, and innuendo, that way you don't have to dispute the opinion. If you're holding evil thoughts that IS, in effect, behavior, (thoughts are things) however submitting an opinion is never a fault unless you live in the Soviet Union (or China). PS I thought my analysis as to why people are 'born' homosexual was rather brilliant actually, sorry you didn't appreciate it. Though I can't vouch for the veracity of Reincarnation it certainly rings true that this would be a reason people are born homosexual.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homosexuality *IS* a choice!
Ha. Billy, take note of President Obama. Note how his viewpoints have evolved? Gezzz. Perhaps there is hope for you yet. Regardless, your karma will get you in this life, if not the next, no? From: raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homosexuality *IS* a choice! If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. Funny how a bigot never thinks he's a bigot no matter how loudly everyone hears him quack. BillyG thinks it's O.K. to *think* like a bigot as long as he doesn't *act* like a bigot. LOL. Riight...and no one ever thought about wearing a hood and burning a cross on a black guy's lawn before acting upon it. BillyG, perhaps you have yet to indulge your inner bigot by beating the crap out of a gay guy, but at least admit you're a bigot in thought, if not in word and deed. Come out of the closet and embrace your inner bigot. Admitting you have an bigotry problem is the first step in recovery. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: Do you think a fair and just God would make some people homosexual and some not?, where's the fairness in that? What's unfair about that? If it weren't for the bigots, gay people wouldn't have any more difficulties in life than straight people do. Fortunately, the supply of bigots is diminishing. Voicing an opinion about homosexuality (especially on a forum like this) isn't bigotry Judy! Bigotry is *how you treat somebody* not *how you think* about a subject. When you called me a bigot, that is worse than anything I did in voicing my opinion about the genesis of homosexuality. You seem to be so self-righteous in your OWN opinion that you feel you're actually above being called on your own poor behavior. (ie. name calling)
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snip PS I thought my analysis as to why people are 'born' homosexual was rather brilliant actually, sorry you didn't appreciate it. Though I can't vouch for the veracity of Reincarnation it certainly rings true that this would be a reason people are born homosexual. Yes, the theory provides a reason why people are born at all, regardless of their sexuality or race or place in the world. I think the trigger is calling out homosexuality as something that a fair and just God wouldn't do, like it is not as good an option as being born heterosexual, or bi-sexual or, etc. Like it's some kind of karmic punishment. That's all. Can't you be objective? From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homosexuality *IS* a choice! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. Funny how a bigot never thinks he's a bigot no matter how loudly everyone hears him quack. BillyG thinks it's O.K. to *think* like a bigot as long as he doesn't *act* like a bigot. LOL. Riight...and no one ever thought about wearing a hood and burning a cross on a black guy's lawn before acting upon it. BillyG, perhaps you have yet to indulge your inner bigot by beating the crap out of a gay guy, but at least admit you're a bigot in thought, if not in word and deed. Come out of the closet and embrace your inner bigot. Admitting you have an bigotry problem is the first step in recovery. Can't stand the message? Kill the messenger?!, With name calling, and innuendo, that way you don't have to dispute the opinion. If you're holding evil thoughts that IS, in effect, behavior, (thoughts are things) however submitting an opinion is never a fault unless you live in the Soviet Union (or China). PS I thought my analysis as to why people are 'born' homosexual was rather brilliant actually, sorry you didn't appreciate it. Though I can't vouch for the veracity of Reincarnation it certainly rings true that this would be a reason people are born homosexual.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homosexuality *IS* a choice!
P.S. I'm more than happy to acknowledge my entire life on this planet is about karmic punishment, or just working through past karma - sexuality and all. It was your *tone* as inferred by the language you used that was annoying. O.K. I'm done now. (I think I just worked through some more karma ;) . From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homosexuality *IS* a choice! snip PS I thought my analysis as to why people are 'born' homosexual was rather brilliant actually, sorry you didn't appreciate it. Though I can't vouch for the veracity of Reincarnation it certainly rings true that this would be a reason people are born homosexual. Yes, the theory provides a reason why people are born at all, regardless of their sexuality or race or place in the world. I think the trigger is calling out homosexuality as something that a fair and just God wouldn't do, like it is not as good an option as being born heterosexual, or bi-sexual or, etc. Like it's some kind of karmic punishment. That's all. Can't you be objective? From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homosexuality *IS* a choice! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. Funny how a bigot never thinks he's a bigot no matter how loudly everyone hears him quack. BillyG thinks it's O.K. to *think* like a bigot as long as he doesn't *act* like a bigot. LOL. Riight...and no one ever thought about wearing a hood and burning a cross on a black guy's lawn before acting upon it. BillyG, perhaps you have yet to indulge your inner bigot by beating the crap out of a gay guy, but at least admit you're a bigot in thought, if not in word and deed. Come out of the closet and embrace your inner bigot. Admitting you have an bigotry problem is the first step in recovery. Can't stand the message? Kill the messenger?!, With name calling, and innuendo, that way you don't have to dispute the opinion. If you're holding evil thoughts that IS, in effect, behavior, (thoughts are things) however submitting an opinion is never a fault unless you live in the Soviet Union (or China). PS I thought my analysis as to why people are 'born' homosexual was rather brilliant actually, sorry you didn't appreciate it. Though I can't vouch for the veracity of Reincarnation it certainly rings true that this would be a reason people are born homosexual.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homosexuality *IS* a choice!
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wgm4u Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 3:30 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homosexuality *IS* a choice! Do you think a fair and just God would make some people homosexual and some not?, Why not? He makes people different in every other way. where's the fairness in that? No, everything is governed by law, IMHO. Down to the last jot and tittle, Matt 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: ORwhile karma and reincarnation may be true, perhaps they don't dictate sexuality, which could operate outside the paradigm and be determined by perhaps more random disbursement of hormones, etc. that occurs as part of the uniqueness of biology in reproduction. Â Or, maybe they do, I don't know. Â From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Homosexuality *IS* a choice! Â Either in this life or in a previous life! That's right, Reincarnation! Human Beings aren't just 'hatched' as if they just came from nowhere. Every human being is the product of the choices he's made in this life and/or past lives, what could be simpler than that? The Gay lobby wants to wash their hands of ANY responsibility for their sexual proclivities, blaming nature or God, hey! time to start taking on your own responsibility! Let God and nature off the hook, what a red herringright, and Mozart was just born that way too, GMAB!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homosexuality *IS* a choice!
On 05/09/2012 01:28 PM, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4uno_reply@... wrote: Either in this life or in a previous life! That's right, Reincarnation! Human Beings aren't just 'hatched' as if they just came from nowhere. Every human being is the product of the choices he's made in this life and/or past lives, what could be simpler than that? The Gay lobby wants to wash their hands of ANY responsibility for their sexual proclivities, blaming nature or God, hey! time to start taking on your own responsibility! Let God and nature off the hook, what a red herringright, and Mozart was just born that way too, GMAB! How long does it take to wipe the froth off the keyboard when you've finished a post? David Cronenberg should have second units out filming right winger's heads exploding all over the country today for a possible remake of Scanners. :-D
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Well, under your own theory, karmic revenge is headed your way. Luckily for you, you won't understand your sins in this life. Ignorance is bliss, right? From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 1:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homosexuality *IS* a choice! Do you think a fair and just God would make some people homosexual and some not?, where's the fairness in that? No, everything is governed by law, IMHO. Down to the last jot and tittle, Matt 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: ORwhile karma and reincarnation may be true, perhaps they don't dictate sexuality, which could operate outside the paradigm and be determined by perhaps more random disbursement of hormones, etc. that occurs as part of the uniqueness of biology in reproduction. Â Or, maybe they do, I don't know. Â From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Homosexuality *IS* a choice! Â Either in this life or in a previous life! That's right, Reincarnation! Human Beings aren't just 'hatched' as if they just came from nowhere. Every human being is the product of the choices he's made in this life and/or past lives, what could be simpler than that? The Gay lobby wants to wash their hands of ANY responsibility for their sexual proclivities, blaming nature or God, hey! time to start taking on your own responsibility! Let God and nature off the hook, what a red herringright, and Mozart was just born that way too, GMAB!
