Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Phase to say when someone is dying
--- Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, one thing you said earlier about Maharishi getting furious at people asking about the baby technique, seems to indicate that at least some other people who heard him speak about this subject (whether at the times you or I did, or on other occassions) also understood him to be telling us that it was something to do. And the fact that he got mad at the question and denied that he ever told anyone to follow what he said doesn't surprise me, nor does it invalidate that he may have actually told people to do what he said the first time -- the way they (and me) seemed to have understood it. It's my feeling that in matters like this it doesn't pay to go back and ask for clarification. Although I can't remember specific instances I do remember hearing Maharishi say something at one time that seemed perfectly clear and at some later date someone asking a question re the same subject and Maharishi talking about it in a different way; and sometimes in a way that didn't seem as good or as clear as the first time around. Perhaps I'm not being very clear in that example; I don't exactly know how to express it. MMY does this all the time. On my TTC during his week of silence he told us to ...be easy with the mantra for a week. Someone asked about asanas and he said, No,no,no. Another asked about pranayama and he said, No,no,no. Another asked for clarification, So, Maharishi, we should meditate the whole week? And he said yes. A week later when he came out of silence and was suprised to learn that we had all been maeditating the entire week he asked us who had told us to meditate like that. When we collectively said that he had, he said he had told us no such thing. Go figure. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Phase to say when someone is dying
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/21/06 9:21 PM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recall that saying wok,wok,wok was to be done at birth, the first sounds that the child hears. I cannot remember why exactly, but someone on this site must know. To instill a love of Chinese cooking in the child? Seriously, all I recall is that vak means speech. I don't remember why you're supposed to whisper it to the baby, but I do remember hearing it as a birth thing, not a death thing. Me too. I heard it very specifically as a birth thing, not a death thing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Phase to say when someone is dying
This is just so much magical crap. Why not say These boots are made for walking. It will have just as much impact as a sanskrit phrase that has absolutely no meaning outside of a particular culture. I can just see some poor old dad dying, just about to slip the body and his skinny, pastey looking, broke, unmarried, eternally meditating son whispers in his right ear, Thiru Neela Kantam Dad, suddenly regains some awareness and says, What did you say? His son repeats, Thiru Neela Kantam. His dad says, Son, you're goin' daft on me, take care of your ma, will ya. And with that he croaks. --- sinhlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Phrase to say when somebody is dying. Repeating a phrase alone is insufficient. One must have a degree of Shakti (which you do, as a TM practitioner); but along with the foregoing, one must have INTENT. What is your intention for the dying person?. Think on it clearly and chant Thiru Neela Kantam over and over. This means Holy Blue Throat; a reference to Shiva, and is designed to eradicate bad karma. Keep in mind the main lesson of the Tibetan Book of the Dead: Immediately after death, the person may begin anew with various attractions to the same types of things that were alluring while alive.. YOUR mind must assist the person in breaking the connections to any lower astral/material attractions, and propel the person directly into the pure realm of the Absolute. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a friend. Anyone know the answer to this?: I've heard that there is some phrase that helps someone passing on.that is to be whispered to them as they pass. Do you know of this? Looks like we will be leaving for () tonight as my husband�s dad won't be around much longermaybe not even 24 hours. I don't think I can do a puja there but I remember someone somewhere telling me about this phrase. Thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Phase to say when someone is dying
On Mar 22, 2006, at 12:48 AM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: In reflecting on the original lecture where he mentioned Vak being whispered, I think he said, it was the practice that when a baby was born into a family of seers, then Vak was whispered in their ears... That would make sense as Vak is the principle of the Word as it is revealed on all levels of perception. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Phase to say when someone is dying
Personally I prefer x-tad-biggerKlaatu barada nikto myself. /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerSal x-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger On Mar 22, 2006, at 6:11 AM, Peter wrote: This is just so much magical crap. Why not say These boots are made for walking. It will have just as much impact as a sanskrit phrase that has absolutely no meaning outside of a particular culture. I can just see some poor old dad dying, just about to slip the body and his skinny, pastey looking, broke, unmarried, eternally meditating son whispers in his right ear, Thiru Neela Kantam Dad, suddenly regains some awareness and says, What did you say? His son repeats, Thiru Neela Kantam. His dad says, Son, you're goin' daft on me, take care of your ma, will ya. And with that he croaks.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Phase to say when someone is dying
on 3/21/06 11:31 PM, a_non_moose_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We were in long rounding and someone passed up a note with a question about bathing. They said a teacher had told them not to bath right after asanas or mediating so when can we bath, since we are doing asanas or meditating all the time? M. hit the roof, furious, paraphrasing -- what teacher is telling you this?! I didn't give such instructions. Who is giving instructions counter to mine. You are rounding all the time. Of course you will be bathing sometimes after TM or asanas. Who told you not to do this He mentioned this often on early courses. He said bathing would wash the ojas off the skin. What bothers me about this account is that he would often get so furious over trivial things. Something abnormal about that IMO. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Phase to say when someone is dying
on 3/22/06 9:51 AM, feste37 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick just can't resist the sly little dig, the notion that MMY's behavior was abnormal. Never seen anyone get impatient or angry at being asked dumb questions? I'd say it was very normal. Do you fly into a screaming rage if someone asks you a dumb question. If you do that at work you end up fired. If you do that at home you end up divorced. If you do that to your kids, they end up on drugs, etc., etc. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Phase to say when someone is dying
on 3/22/06 9:57 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick just can't resist the sly little dig, the notion that MMY's behavior was abnormal. Never seen anyone get impatient or angry at being asked dumb questions? I'd say it was very normal. What bothers me about Rick is that he stuck with MMY for so long... I'm a pretty loyal fellow. And somewhat naïve. Although it may not seem like it here, I tend to see the best in people. Also, I had wonderful experiences around MMY, and great benefits from TM, so for a long time, those caused me to ignore increasingly obvious evidence that something was wrong. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Phase to say when someone is dying
Try running after a child with a stick in your hand and, if noticed by another adult, get ready for a trip down to the local police station, at the very least. Sal On Mar 22, 2006, at 11:57 AM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: My sense in seeing these outbursts live, is that he was not angry as we think of it. It was more a drama he was creating to make a point. Like running after workers with a stick. He was neither violently inclined -- nor out of control ,rajo guna inflamed. Like a parent who feigns anger with a child to make it clear Listen up! This is important!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Phase to say when someone is dying
on 3/22/06 11:39 AM, feste37 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a pretty loyal fellow. And somewhat naïve. Although it may not seem like it here, I tend to see the best in people. With one notable exception, it would appear. I see a whole range in MMY. I never fail to acknowledge the good he has done in my life and the lives of others. I'm very grateful for and appreciative of that. On the other hand... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Phase to say when someone is dying
So it's fine to run after people and threaten them with sticks as long as they're *not* children, then? What high standards you have, Judy. No wonder MMY's behavior seems just peachy to you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@> > wrote: > > > > Try running after a child with a stick in your hand and, if noticed > > by another adult, get ready for a trip down to the local police > > station, at the very least. > > The workers he ran after were children?? > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Phase to say when someone is dying
Didn't see that one. Sal On Mar 22, 2006, at 12:43 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So it's fine to run after people and threaten them with sticks as long > as they're *not* children, then? What high standards you have, Judy. > No wonder MMY's behavior seems just peachy to you. > And I suppose you would try throw Jim Carry's character in Liar Liar in jail, for running after his kid with THE CLAW.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Phase to say when someone is dying
On Mar 22, 2006, at 1:30 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 22, 2006, at 12:48 AM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: In reflecting on the original lecture where he mentioned Vak being whispered, I think he said, it was the practice that when a baby was born into a family of seers, then Vak was whispered in their ears... That would make sense as Vak is the principle of the Word as it is revealed on all levels of perception. FWIW, the hero of the Finnish folk epic, The Kalevala, is often called vaka (steady) vanha (old) Väinämöinen. (In Estonian epic Kalevipoeg that's Vanemuine. In Sanskrit vane would mean 'in a/the forest', and muine is almost like muni; that's folk etymology at its worst...LOL!) Also consider the Latin vox, the Italian voce or vocal in Anglish... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Phase to say when someone is dying
No, Judy, it was a stupid red herring--yet another-- you inserted in there, probably to deflect the discussion, as you so often do. Nobody had ever said MMY had run after children. And the 'awful' part is your own interpretation, once again. Sal On Mar 22, 2006, at 2:20 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So it's fine to run after people and threaten them with sticks as > long as they're *not* children, then? So children didn't have anything to do with it, then, that was just something you invented to make MMY sound as awful as possible?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Phase to say when someone is dying
But I do stand by my original claim that MMY eats children by the handful. Very disturbing. Rick has photographs in the file section. --- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, Judy, it was a stupid red herring--yet another-- you inserted in there, probably to deflect the discussion, as you so often do. Nobody had ever said MMY had run after children. And the 'awful' part is your own interpretation, once again. Sal On Mar 22, 2006, at 2:20 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it's fine to run after people and threaten them with sticks as long as they're *not* children, then? So children didn't have anything to do with it, then, that was just something you invented to make MMY sound as awful as possible? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Phase to say when someone is dying
on 3/21/06 9:21 PM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recall that saying wok,wok,wok was to be done at birth, the first sounds that the child hears. I cannot remember why exactly, but someone on this site must know. To instill a love of Chinese cooking in the child? Seriously, all I recall is that vak means speech. I don't remember why you're supposed to whisper it to the baby, but I do remember hearing it as a birth thing, not a death thing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
