Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori
Ha ha! Funny post, Lurks!!! The ME is not the most robust of effects shall we say. We all certainly wish it was, but it ain't! --- On Sun, 5/23/10, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: > From: lurkernomore20002000 > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 11:09 AM > Perhaps they worry one could be > practicing another technique, and result in destructive > interference. I don't want to say this too loudly lest > David OJ use this as a reason the ME effect has not alwasy > worked as advertised. If he were to determine that > some participants were practicing a diffferent "program", > then he could assign a mathematical value to that, and > "voila", you suddenly have a "means deriritive impacting the > statistical model plus or minus the standard deriviation > formula". > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > ditzyklanmail wrote: > > > > With silence in the domes, why would anyone be banned > for what happens outside the domes, if their meditation is > what is important? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: TurquoiseB > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sun, 23 May, 2010 5:27:02 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of ditzyklanmail > > > > > > > > > > Pardon my asking, but how can someone > get kicked out of the > > > > > domes and not be in good standing? > > > > > > > > In my case it was for being involved with > Amma. Not sure what > > > > Buck's crime was. > > > > > > Do you really believe that your mudslinging and > rumourmonging > > > towards Maharishi has nothing to do with it ? > > > > And would "mudslinging" and one's willingness to pass > > along *public knowledge of Maharishi's past* be Bad > > Things, sufficient to require "banning from the > domes?" > > > > Just curious... > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > >
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ditzyklanmail Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 9:34 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori With silence in the domes, why would anyone be banned for what happens outside the domes, if their meditation is what is important? Good question. One which I've never heard the TMO answer satisfactorily.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 5:18 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rick Archer" wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of ditzyklanmail > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 10:44 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori > > > Pardon my asking, but how can someone get kicked out of the domes and not be in good standing? > In my case it was for being involved with Amma. Not sure what Buck's crime was. Do you really believe that your mudslinging and rumourmonging towards Maharishi has nothing to do with it ? I don't admit to having done that, although people like yourself, and undoubtedly the course office, would see it that way. But they kicked me out before they knew about FFL. Amma was the only reason. And ironically, the two guys with whom I met that day have always been very sweet and cordial whenever I have run into them around town.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori
With silence in the domes, why would anyone be banned for what happens outside the domes, if their meditation is what is important? From: TurquoiseB To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 23 May, 2010 5:27:02 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > On Behalf Of ditzyklanmail > > > > > > Pardon my asking, but how can someone get kicked out of the > > > domes and not be in good standing? > > > > In my case it was for being involved with Amma. Not sure what > > Buck's crime was. > > Do you really believe that your mudslinging and rumourmonging > towards Maharishi has nothing to do with it ? And would "mudslinging" and one's willingness to pass along *public knowledge of Maharishi's past* be Bad Things, sufficient to require "banning from the domes?" Just curious...
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ditzyklanmail Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 10:44 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori Pardon my asking, but how can someone get kicked out of the domes and not be in good standing? In my case it was for being involved with Amma. Not sure what Buck's crime was.
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Pardon my asking, but how can someone get kicked out of the domes and not be in good standing? From: Buck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 22 May, 2010 10:29:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori > > > Buck, you seem like quite the reasonable chap. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > I'll speak for him in case he doesn't: > Are you in Fairfield, > Yes. > dome attending, etc? > no. > In good standing, so to speak? > No. > Yep, like Rick.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori
Thanks for the link, Rick --- On Sat, 5/22/10, Rick Archer wrote: From: Rick Archer Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 22, 2010, 9:51 PM From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 7:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori I always have a desire to go back there. I was a MIU student from '74 to '78; then Purusha for a year there and finally TSR from '83 to '89. Things seem very different now. Come and visit some time, Pete. Allegiant Air has ridiculously cheap flights between here and Florida.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 7:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori I always have a desire to go back there. I was a MIU student from '74 to '78; then Purusha for a year there and finally TSR from '83 to '89. Things seem very different now. Come and visit some time, Pete. Allegiant Air has ridiculously cheap flights between here and Florida.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori
I always have a desire to go back there. I was a MIU student from '74 to '78; then Purusha for a year there and finally TSR from '83 to '89. Things seem very different now. --- On Sat, 5/22/10, Buck wrote: > From: Buck > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, May 22, 2010, 8:33 PM > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > Peter wrote: > > > > > > No need to reduce other paths to "Transcendental > Meditation." This a habit that Maharishi had that, IMHO, > cultivated arrogance and separation from others not doing > what "we" did. The TM/ TM-Sidhi program offers a great > sadhana or spiritual practice, but it failed to address > necessary critical behaviors while on the path towards > Realization. This failure to cultivate these values led to > the profound dysfunction of the TMO and ultimately to its > failure (failure is a relative term here. The TMO and MMY > can also be seen as very successful in other contexts). TM > is not the "gold standard" of spiritual practices. It simply > is one of many bodies of yogic practices that contributes to > increasing sattva in the body/mind. I don't believe there is > a "gold standard" in any objective sense. > >  Also, I would like to apologize ahead of time for > my reasonable tone. I will get shrill and irrational if that > is more appropriate. > > > > Pete, actually you'd like this. What I notice is that > as an old and practicing spiritual group here (decades) > mostly we've had to take care of ourselves over the years > the way you are talking. Sometimes something more than > what is in the TM checking notes may be helpful. That > got done by folks here in relationships with some of the > different saints who have come through and also some of the > spiritually talented folks here locally embedded. > > Often a careful reading of the back page of the Weekly > Reader and the 'schedule of events' inside can find you the > services of those folks locally. The bigger > promotional healers like Trivedi or John Douglas are > visitors that way who have been helpful. But locally > there are some folks who have been quite helpful too to even > the highest echelons of campus and TM movement people as > they have needed some help spiritually along the way. > > > Looking in on Fairfield the Weekly Reader is a good window > to see in through. Unfortunately it does not work on > the web. The hardcopy is quite good every week > (published on Thursdays) for mapping out the spiritual > practice community here. There are a lot of good > people who work at it and are having fine experiences, thank > you. > > So, it is not like it is not happening. TM is great > as a starting point and then there is spiritual discipline > and discernment with what you do with it. There > actually has been a lot of experience of that here. > That aspect is part of the back story. It is an active > spiritual practice place and not monolithic at all. > You'd like it. > > Jai Adi Shankara, > =Buck in FF > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > >
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 7:19 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori Buck said, "But on the other hand if you are male, a healer, dress more as a Westerner saying the same things, doing subtle energy work and teaching spiritual techniques to help with the subtle psycho-spiritual things that you are talking about then the TM movement will now endorse you as a healer, and let your visitors as well as supporters be in the domes meditating. The irony is stunning also given their earnestness in getting better dome numbers." Wow! Is that true? Very strange. I would see relative "healers" as more of a threat to pull people off the path towards actual Realization than a traditional Satguru (Ammachi, Sri Sri, etc.). But if the goal is dome numbers, then being "path-pulled" is secondary perhaps. Buck, you seem like quite the reasonable chap. I'll speak for him in case he doesn't: Are you in Fairfield, Yes. dome attending, etc? no. In good standing, so to speak? No.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori
Hey, I don't have a blackberry. I've evolved to an iPhone. Om Tat Sat. --- On Fri, 5/21/10, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: From: lurkernomore20002000 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 11:17 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > No need to reduce other paths to "Transcendental Meditation." This a habit > that Maharishi had that, IMHO, cultivated arrogance and separation from > others not doing what "we" did. The TM/ TM-Sidhi program offers a great > sadhana or spiritual practice, but it failed to address necessary critical > behaviors while on the path towards Realization. This failure to cultivate > these values led to the profound dysfunction of the TMO and ultimately to its > failure (failure is a relative term here. The TMO and MMY can also be seen as > very successful in other contexts). TM is not the "gold standard" of > spiritual practices. It simply is one of many bodies of yogic practices that > contributes to increasing sattva in the body/mind. I don't believe there is a > "gold standard" in any objective sense. Also, I would like to apologize ahead of time for my reasonable tone. I will get shrill and irrational if that is more appropriate. That's old school. That's our Dr. Pete. And didn't even send it from his blackberry. > --- On Fri, 5/21/10, Buck dhamiltony...@... wrote: > > > From: Buck dhamiltony...@... > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 9:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amritanandamayi teaches a spiritual path that > > > > consists of understanding the scriptures in > > > > the Vedas, the Upanishads, and the Bhagavad > > > > Gita. > > > > > > > > Amma advocates meditation, karma yoga, and > > > > devotional service. According to Amma, the > > > > cultivation of blissful consciousness reveals > > > > the non-dual, transcendental absolute, leading > > > > to 'jivanmukti' - fully realized while yet > > > > living. > > > > > > > > Cool that reads as, Transcendental Meditation. > > > > > > > > "There is one Truth that shines through all of > > > > creation. Rivers and mountains, plants and > > > > animals, the sun, the moon and the stars, you > > > > and I â€" all are expressions of this one > > > > Reality." - Amma > > > > > > > > This reads sounding like a 'Unified Field' Chart. > > > > > > > > Yes, that is succinct. She's a > > transcendentalist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >   fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori
Buck said, "But on the other hand if you are male, a healer, dress more as a Westerner saying the same things, doing subtle energy work and teaching spiritual techniques to help with the subtle psycho-spiritual things that you are talking about then the TM movement will now endorse you as a healer, and let your visitors as well as supporters be in the domes meditating. The irony is stunning also given their earnestness in getting better dome numbers." Wow! Is that true? Very strange. I would see relative "healers" as more of a threat to pull people off the path towards actual Realization than a traditional Satguru (Ammachi, Sri Sri, etc.). But if the goal is dome numbers, then being "path-pulled" is secondary perhaps. Buck, you seem like quite the reasonable chap. Are you in Fairfield, dome attending, etc? In good standing, so to speak? --- On Sat, 5/22/10, Buck wrote: > From: Buck > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, May 22, 2010, 7:58 AM > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > Peter wrote: > > > > > > No need to reduce other paths to "Transcendental > Meditation." This a > > habit that Maharishi had that, IMHO, cultivated > arrogance and separation > > from others not doing what "we" did. The TM/ TM-Sidhi > program offers a > > great sadhana or spiritual practice, but it failed to > address necessary > > critical behaviors while on the path towards > Realization. This failure > > to cultivate these values led to the profound > dysfunction of the TMO and > > ultimately to its failure (failure is a relative term > here. The TMO and > > MMY can also be seen as very successful in other > contexts). TM is not > > the "gold standard" of spiritual practices. It simply > is one of many > > bodies of yogic practices that contributes to > increasing sattva in the > > body/mind. I don't believe there is a "gold standard" > in any objective > > sense. > > > > Also, I would like to apologize ahead > of time for my reasonable tone. I > > will get shrill and irrational if that is more > appropriate. > > > > > > That's old school. That's our Dr. Pete. > And didn't even send it from > > his blackberry. > > > > > > Dear Pete, that is quite true as caveat to what was > said. Part of the local interest in that definition > about Ammachi is that it is so essentially 'transcendental' > like the Transcendental Meditation's. Read it and she > evidently is an ally in the war on ignorance. > > Yet, here in Fairfield the dome administrative policy is > still "Don't ask, don't tell" when it comes to visiting ally > saints and Ammachi in particular. Visiting Ammachi > will git you pulled from the dome & denied a badge > still. > > But on the other hand if you are male, a healer, dress more > as a Westerner saying the same things, doing subtle energy > work and teaching spiritual techniques to help with the > subtle psycho-spiritual things that you are talking about > then the TM movement will now endorse you as a healer, and > let your visitors as well as supporters be in the domes > meditating. The irony is stunning also given their > earnestness in getting better dome numbers. > > -Buck in FF > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a > priori > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amritanandamayi teaches a > spiritual path that > > > > > > consists of understanding the > scriptures in > > > > > > the Vedas, the Upanishads, and the > Bhagavad > > > > > > Gita. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amma advocates meditation, karma > yoga, and > > > > > > devotional service. According to > Amma, the > > > > > > cultivation of blissful > consciousness reveals > > > > > > the non-dual, transcendental > absolute, leading > > > > > > to 'jivanmukti' - fully realized > while yet > > > > > > living. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cool that reads as, Transcendental > Meditation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There is one Truth that shines > through all of > > > > > > creation. Rivers and mountains, > plants and > > > > > > animals, the sun, the moon and the > stars, you > > > > > > and I â€" all are expressions > of this one > > > > > > Reality." - Amma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This reads sounding like a 'Unified Field' > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, that is succinct. She's a > > > > transcendentalist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > > > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Or go to: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups > Links > > > > > > > > > > > >   fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://group
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori
No need to reduce other paths to "Transcendental Meditation." This a habit that Maharishi had that, IMHO, cultivated arrogance and separation from others not doing what "we" did. The TM/ TM-Sidhi program offers a great sadhana or spiritual practice, but it failed to address necessary critical behaviors while on the path towards Realization. This failure to cultivate these values led to the profound dysfunction of the TMO and ultimately to its failure (failure is a relative term here. The TMO and MMY can also be seen as very successful in other contexts). TM is not the "gold standard" of spiritual practices. It simply is one of many bodies of yogic practices that contributes to increasing sattva in the body/mind. I don't believe there is a "gold standard" in any objective sense. Also, I would like to apologize ahead of time for my reasonable tone. I will get shrill and irrational if that is more appropriate. --- On Fri, 5/21/10, Buck wrote: > From: Buck > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 9:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amritanandamayi teaches a spiritual path that > > > consists of understanding the scriptures in > > > the Vedas, the Upanishads, and the Bhagavad > > > Gita. > > > > > > Amma advocates meditation, karma yoga, and > > > devotional service. According to Amma, the > > > cultivation of blissful consciousness reveals > > > the non-dual, transcendental absolute, leading > > > to 'jivanmukti' - fully realized while yet > > > living. > > > > > Cool that reads as, Transcendental Meditation. > > > > > "There is one Truth that shines through all of > > > creation. Rivers and mountains, plants and > > > animals, the sun, the moon and the stars, you > > > and I — all are expressions of this one > > > Reality." - Amma > > > > > This reads sounding like a 'Unified Field' Chart. > > > > > Yes, that is succinct. She's a > transcendentalist. > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > >
