Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
Richard J. Williams wrote: >>>So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just >>>Brahmanand's headquarters matha at Sringeri, practice a >>>meditation similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija >>>mantras is widespread. >>> >>> >>> >Vaj wrote: > > >>We've discussed your misconceptions on these subjects many >>times Willie. >> >> >> >There's no 'Willie', but if it makes you feel superior, call me by my >email address. > > > >>If you haven't gotten it by now, I suspect you don't want to. >> >> >> >The only thing I've been able to get out of you is that you think >you've got the dirty low-down on the Marshy and the Swami Rama. But >you've admitted that techniques similar to TM and the use of the same >bijas are in widespread use all over India. That leads me to conclude >that TM is probably the most popular meditation practice in all of >India. When you put that together with the popularity of the >Deepackage and the Sri Sri, Marshy is like a household word over >there. There must be millions of people in India doing program based >on the teachings of Marshy. > > When was the last time you were in India, Willy? Your statement also shows your ignorance of mantra shastra and Hindu traditions. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
on 4/5/06 1:32 PM, anon_astute_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> on 4/5/06 12:30 PM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> anon_astute_ff wrote: If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh know this information? >>> By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then >>> studying with his master for thirteen years? >>> Does his name contain Saraswati? >>> Sure, it's Bal, the name given to Mahesh when he was initiated by Guru >>> Dev. >> >> Doesn't "Bal" mean "boy" - Bal Brahmachari means life celibate, or so I >> understood. >> > > now this opens up that can of worms. Probably he was when he was using that name. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
on 4/5/06 12:30 PM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > anon_astute_ff wrote: >> If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh >> know this information? >> > By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then > studying with his master for thirteen years? > >> Does his name contain Saraswati? >> > Sure, it's Bal, the name given to Mahesh when he was initiated by Guru > Dev. Doesn't "Bal" mean "boy" - Bal Brahmachari means life celibate, or so I understood. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
Richard J. Williams wrote: >markmeredith wrote: > > >>Most every Indian spiritual group I've investigated uses some >>of the bija mantras - not necessarily in an eye-closed effortless >>meditation practice, but they seem to be very commonly known. >> >> >> >So, it's a common practice all over India - Mr. Perino was mistaken. > > > >>As discussed here recently, early TMers report they weren't given >>bij mantras, but "Ram". >> >> >> >Maybe so, but I'm TM meditator #212 in the USA, according to Beaulah >Smith, and I never got a 'Ram' bija mantra. From what I've read, the >very first TM meditator in India, a certain Mr. Raya, recieved the >same bija I recieved in 1965, that would be ten years after the >founding of the SRM by Marshy. > > > It is alleged that Maharishi when he was first teaching used the "Ram" mantra. Bhagavan Das in his book "It's Here Now (Are You?)" claims he was given the Ram mantra by Maharishi when he met shortly after arriving in India. Bhagavan Das was the "young American" in India that Ram Das wrote about in "Be Here Now." "Ram" is considered a shanti mantra. So by the time you learned the techniques may well have changed as MMY probably felt he needed a system for his teachers. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:29 AM, sparaig wrote: > > It was a shock at the time. > > > > You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all the rage > in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn of history. It was the first time I had heard of a Shankaracharya student poisoning his teacher. You also need to understand that no one I had spoken to had heard of this poisoning scenario at the time--this was c. 1980. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, authfriend wrote: > Just a rumor? Why, our Vaj just told us Maharishi was > a "leading suspect"! Don't kill the messenger! Actually it was Sri Swami Rama, a student of Guru Dev's, who said it. So take it up with his ashes! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:01 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: > Vaj seems not to be aware of the fact that the controversy concerning > the succession at Jyotirmath was ongoing for over 150 years (some say > 250 years). Actually Willie, I was aware of all this. > For all we know, the real Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath is > the Rawal at the Badrinath Temple. What's shocking is that Vaj would > still be posting rumors about a murder at Jyotirmath in order to prove > his point. I was responding to your remarks implying I was not familiar with Sw. R's connection to SBS. Don't ask so many questions if you don't want to hear an answer! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:01 AM, sparaig wrote: > > It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out > > that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami > > Brahmananda. Sw. Rama's teaching on meditation probably most > closely > > resembles Swami Brahmananda's own practice, not TM. > > > > > M, so you're saying that the fact that MMY produced a > controvesial will didn't make the connection for you? This was long before I knew about the will controversy. Actually this was back when I actually believed M. was some sort of chosen descendent of SBS. It was a shock at the time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: > Vaj wrote: > > It's very ubiquitous. > > > So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just > Brahmanand's headquarters matha at Sringeri, practice a meditation > similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija mantras is > widespread. We've discussed your misconceptions on these subjects many times Willie. If you haven't gotten it by now, I suspect you don't want to. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: > Vaj wrote: > > Which matha are you particularly referring to? > > > The matha at Sringeri, the headquarters of the Saraswati sampradaya, > the Dasanami sect founded by the Shakaracharya. Sringeri was the > headquarters matha of Swami Brahmanand Saraswati, whose teacher was > Swami Krishnanand Saraswati of Sringeri. > > > The mantrayana is not simply located at a particular monastery > > or math, in fact it is much more widespread. > > > So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just > Brahmanand's headqurter matha at Sringeri, practice a meditation > similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija mantras is widespread. It's very ubiquitous. Sri Vidya is not the only source of bija mantras. > > > If they are real practitioners of the mantrayana why would > > they be worried about any temple other than that of their > > own bodies and those they loved? > > > Because the Sri Vidya is a secret tantric sect - it's not available to > non-initiates. Only insiders like Marshy know much about the bija > mantras they use at Sringeri - Marshy was taught them by his master, > Swami Brahmanand Saraswati over the course of thirteen years in the > Himalayas. This has all been confirmed by Swami Rama - don't you read > books? It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami Brahmananda. Sw. Rama's teaching on meditation probably most closely resembles Swami Brahmananda's own practice, not TM. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
