Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[anon_alias]

According to the Maharishi, the true self or soul of an individual is beyond 
identification with phenomena; it is the essence of an individual. The Atman is 
eternal and is not born along with the body and does not die when the body 
dies. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And the INDIANA POV is that you have to have a burial for an aborted fetus. 
You can't just chuck it away. It has to be treated like all other human 
remains. Which is remarkable since it never was a human. You are burying 
nothing, really. But that's life in Mike Pence land.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The Indian POV is that the child doesn't really have a soul until the first 
breathe.  Anything up until then is just a growth on the mother.  This to me 
makes more sense than being cooped up in some dark place for 9 months.
 
 On 10/07/2016 07:17 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   There is nothing at all wrong with an abortion, except the emotional toll on 
the mother to be. This crap about equating it to murder is just that: Crap. A 
means for male dominated churches to exert power over women. There is no 
spiritual basis for that nonsense.
 
 Maharishi used to say *sin* is the cause of *all* suffering. If a woman has an 
*emotional toll* for having an abortion, she has a conscience. If not, she's 
*barely* human. 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:olliesedwuz@...[FairfieldLife] 
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 9:05 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL
 
 
Better the pope spend time rooting out the pedophiles from his 
organization, and the other spreaders of this angry little nightmare give it a 
rest. Might as well get used to Kaine. He could be president in 2020 - I wonder 
if the abortion hating, bible thumping GOP will still be around, though? 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 "Kaine's answer on abortion is basically Adolf Eichmann's answer on the 
Holocaust: I don't let my personal beliefs interfere with state policy."
 

 Obersturmbannführer Kaine: Little Eichmann, Catholic Heretic 
 
 
https://pjmedia.com/election/2016/10/05/obersturmbannfuhrer-kaine-little-eichmann-catholic-heretic/
 
 Obersturmbannführer Kaine: Little Eichmann, Catholic He... No moral or 
Constitutional reason prevents acting on the tenets of your faith.


 
 View on pjmedia.com 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
 
 Why Don't We Hear More About The Christian Left? 
 
 
http://www.npr.org/2016/10/06/496731092/why-dont-we-hear-more-about-the-christian-left
 
 Why Don't We Hear More About The Christian Left? Long story short: The right 
is very, very Christian, while the left is much less so.


 
 View on www.npr.org 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:olliesedwuz@... wrote :

 
 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite... 









 
 








 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[feste37]

And the INDIANA POV is that you have to have a burial for an aborted fetus. You 
can't just chuck it away. It has to be treated like all other human remains. 
Which is remarkable since it never was a human. You are burying nothing, 
really. But that's life in Mike Pence land. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The Indian POV is that the child doesn't really have a soul until the first 
breathe.  Anything up until then is just a growth on the mother.  This to me 
makes more sense than being cooped up in some dark place for 9 months.
 
 On 10/07/2016 07:17 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   There is nothing at all wrong with an abortion, except the emotional toll on 
the mother to be. This crap about equating it to murder is just that: Crap. A 
means for male dominated churches to exert power over women. There is no 
spiritual basis for that nonsense.
 
 Maharishi used to say *sin* is the cause of *all* suffering. If a woman has an 
*emotional toll* for having an abortion, she has a conscience. If not, she's 
*barely* human. 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:olliesedwuz@...[FairfieldLife] 
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 9:05 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL
 
 
Better the pope spend time rooting out the pedophiles from his 
organization, and the other spreaders of this angry little nightmare give it a 
rest. Might as well get used to Kaine. He could be president in 2020 - I wonder 
if the abortion hating, bible thumping GOP will still be around, though? 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 "Kaine's answer on abortion is basically Adolf Eichmann's answer on the 
Holocaust: I don't let my personal beliefs interfere with state policy."
 

 Obersturmbannführer Kaine: Little Eichmann, Catholic Heretic 
 
 
https://pjmedia.com/election/2016/10/05/obersturmbannfuhrer-kaine-little-eichmann-catholic-heretic/
 
 Obersturmbannführer Kaine: Little Eichmann, Catholic He... No moral or 
Constitutional reason prevents acting on the tenets of your faith.


 
 View on pjmedia.com 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
 
 Why Don't We Hear More About The Christian Left? 
 
 
http://www.npr.org/2016/10/06/496731092/why-dont-we-hear-more-about-the-christian-left
 
 Why Don't We Hear More About The Christian Left? Long story short: The right 
is very, very Christian, while the left is much less so.


 
 View on www.npr.org 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:olliesedwuz@... wrote :

 
 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite... 









 
 








 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[anon_alias]

Is it something I said? 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. is out of control again. It's happened before. If 
the moderator won't stop him, the rest of us should maybe just quit posting for 
awhile and leave him here alone until he calms down, or (hopefully) goes 
somewhere else. He has some kind of compulsion to ruin the forum when he's in a 
manic phase, and he will if we let him. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 His post this morning tells us everything we need to know about who he is. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[anon_alias]

According to what I've read, in India, the six orthodox schools all teach that 
the Atman is the soul or breath, which exists in every being. Only Buddhism 
does not believe in an individual soul-monad. 
 

 In the Vedanta school of Hinduism, the Ātman is the first principle, which is 
the true self of the individual or the essence of the individual. The soul in 
Hinduism is eternal, not born or created with the physical body.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The Indian POV is that the child doesn't really have a soul until the first 
breathe.  Anything up until then is just a growth on the mother.  This to me 
makes more sense than being cooped up in some dark place for 9 months.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. is out of control again. It's happened before. If the 
moderator won't stop him, the rest of us should maybe just quit posting for 
awhile and leave him here alone until he calms down, or (hopefully) goes 
somewhere else. He has some kind of compulsion to ruin the forum when he's in a 
manic phase, and he will if we let him. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Lol.  There are poses that start from a hands and knees position, but that's 
not one of them!  I can visualize it nowthe yoga teacher says..."class, 
lets get on our hands and knees" and he does that!  Very funny.  I'm not sure 
he is a well man.   

 -
 

 You all take care of yourselves now.  Ollie, your T. Rump commentary is so, so 
funny.  I'll meet back up with FFL a few miles down the road.  Emily.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 His post this morning tells us everything we need to know about who he is. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's so odd that he continues to post the very photos that negate his own 
statement!  I'm out as well.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As you can see from the instructional photos anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. just 
posted, the Sun Salutation does not, in fact, have a hands-and-knees asana. He 
has known this all along. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

 This is what a "hand and knees" position looks like.  Is this one of the 
positions of the Sun Salutation?  Is this what was shown by Sri Sri as the 
position he gets into to perform the Sun Salutation?  Again, get over it.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You have no grace in a debate, win or lose. 
 

 You could have at least acknowledged that the Sri Sri gets down and his hands 
and knees to perform the Sun Salutation. You could have read the article where 
Time Magazine blames Bill Clinton for the Great Recession. 
 

 You could do a lot of things, but you are very ungraceful in a debate. 
 

 And, that's the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wrong. Why do you keep lying about this? And BTW, as you know, I never said a 
word one way or the other about Clinton and bank deregulation. That was another 
one of your lies.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope. You lied about the steps in the Sun Salutation and I told the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope, you've got it backwards. I told the truth; you did not. (You rarely do.)
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The truth is subjective, but you lost out on both counts, but not with grace.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. will not tell the truth if 
he can possibly help it. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, she will never admit that she is wrong about 
something, whether it's the steps in the Sun Salutation or that Bill Clinton 
signed into law bank deregulation. Go figure.
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

The Indian POV is that the child doesn't really have a soul until the 
first breathe.  Anything up until then is just a growth on the mother.  
This to me makes more sense than being cooped up in some dark place for 
9 months.


On 10/07/2016 07:17 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
There is nothing at all wrong with an abortion, except the emotional 
toll on the mother to be. This crap about equating it to murder is 
just that: Crap. A means for male dominated churches to exert power 
over women. There is no spiritual basis for that nonsense.


Maharishi used to say *sin* is the cause of *all* suffering. If a 
woman has an *emotional toll* for having an abortion, she has a 
conscience. If not, she's *barely* human.


*From:* "olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, October 7, 2016 9:05 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

 Better the pope spend time rooting out the pedophiles from his 
organization, and the other spreaders of this angry little nightmare 
give it a rest. Might as well get used to Kaine. He could be president 
in 2020 - I wonder if the abortion hating, bible thumping GOP will 
still be around, though?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

"Kaine's answer on abortion is basically Adolf Eichmann's answer on 
the Holocaust: I don't let my personal beliefs interfere with state 
policy."


Obersturmbannführer Kaine: Little Eichmann, Catholic Heretic 
 





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No moral or Constitutional reason prevents acting on the tenets of 
your faith.


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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Why Don't We Hear More About The Christian Left? 
 





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Why Don't We Hear More About The Christian Left? 
 

Long story short: The right is very, very Christian, while the left is 
much less so.


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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently 
believe that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will 
restore righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. 
"Smirky" Pence, the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping 
hypocrite...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[anon_alias]

Obviously, you're not a practicing yogi and apparently you can't even read. 
Here are the instructions for step six of the Sun Salutation, according ton Sri 
Sri Ravi Shankar:
 

 "The two hands, two feet, two knees, chest and chin (eight parts of the body 
touch the floor)."
 

 http://www.artofliving.org/us-en/yoga/yoga-poses/sun-salutation 
http://www.artofliving.org/us-en/yoga/yoga-poses/sun-salutation   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Lol.  There are poses that start from a hands and knees position, but that's 
not one of them!  I can visualize it nowthe yoga teacher says..."class, 
lets get on our hands and knees" and he does that!  Very funny.  I'm not sure 
he is a well man. 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's so odd that he continues to post the very photos that negate his own 
statement!  I'm out as well.
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 
 

 This is what a "hand and knees" position looks like.  Is this one of the 
positions of the Sun Salutation?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Lol.  There are poses that start from a hands and knees position, but that's 
not one of them!  I can visualize it nowthe yoga teacher says..."class, 
lets get on our hands and knees" and he does that!  Very funny.  I'm not sure 
he is a well man.   

 -
 

 You all take care of yourselves now.  Ollie, your T. Rump commentary is so, so 
funny.  I'll meet back up with FFL a few miles down the road.  Emily.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 His post this morning tells us everything we need to know about who he is. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's so odd that he continues to post the very photos that negate his own 
statement!  I'm out as well.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As you can see from the instructional photos anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. just 
posted, the Sun Salutation does not, in fact, have a hands-and-knees asana. He 
has known this all along. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

 This is what a "hand and knees" position looks like.  Is this one of the 
positions of the Sun Salutation?  Is this what was shown by Sri Sri as the 
position he gets into to perform the Sun Salutation?  Again, get over it.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You have no grace in a debate, win or lose. 
 

 You could have at least acknowledged that the Sri Sri gets down and his hands 
and knees to perform the Sun Salutation. You could have read the article where 
Time Magazine blames Bill Clinton for the Great Recession. 
 

 You could do a lot of things, but you are very ungraceful in a debate. 
 

 And, that's the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wrong. Why do you keep lying about this? And BTW, as you know, I never said a 
word one way or the other about Clinton and bank deregulation. That was another 
one of your lies.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope. You lied about the steps in the Sun Salutation and I told the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope, you've got it backwards. I told the truth; you did not. (You rarely do.)
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The truth is subjective, but you lost out on both counts, but not with grace.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. will not tell the truth if 
he can possibly help it. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, she will never admit that she is wrong about 
something, whether it's the steps in the Sun Salutation or that Bill Clinton 
signed into law bank deregulation. Go figure.
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[anon_alias]

Sometimes you don't even make any sense. Even Hillary Clinton, a Methodist, is 
opposed to late termination abortions after the 20th week of gestation. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I would leave that up to her. Who can tell what is in another's heart? Anyone 
presuming to is a fool. Let's let women make their own decisions, as we allow 
men to, and live with the consequences. Not exactly a radical concept, is it?
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There is nothing at all wrong with an abortion, except the emotional toll on 
the mother to be. This crap about equating it to murder is just that: Crap. A 
means for male dominated churches to exert power over women. There is no 
spiritual basis for that nonsense.
 
Maharishi used to say *sin* is the cause of *all* suffering. If a woman has an 
*emotional toll* for having an abortion, she has a conscience. If not, she's 
*barely* human. 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 9:05 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL
 
 
Better the pope spend time rooting out the pedophiles from his 
organization, and the other spreaders of this angry little nightmare give it a 
rest. Might as well get used to Kaine. He could be president in 2020 - I wonder 
if the abortion hating, bible thumping GOP will still be around, though? 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "Kaine's answer on abortion is basically Adolf Eichmann's answer on the 
Holocaust: I don't let my personal beliefs interfere with state policy."
 

 Obersturmbannführer Kaine: Little Eichmann, Catholic Heretic 
https://pjmedia.com/election/2016/10/05/obersturmbannfuhrer-kaine-little-eichmann-catholic-heretic/
 
 
 
https://pjmedia.com/election/2016/10/05/obersturmbannfuhrer-kaine-little-eichmann-catholic-heretic/
 
 Obersturmbannführer Kaine: Little Eichmann, Catholic He... 
https://pjmedia.com/election/2016/10/05/obersturmbannfuhrer-kaine-little-eichmann-catholic-heretic/
 No moral or Constitutional reason prevents acting on the tenets of your faith.


 
 View on pjmedia.com 
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 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 Why Don't We Hear More About The Christian Left? 
http://www.npr.org/2016/10/06/496731092/why-dont-we-hear-more-about-the-christian-left
 
 
 
http://www.npr.org/2016/10/06/496731092/why-dont-we-hear-more-about-the-christian-left
 
 Why Don't We Hear More About The Christian Left? 
http://www.npr.org/2016/10/06/496731092/why-dont-we-hear-more-about-the-christian-left
 Long story short: The right is very, very Christian, while the left is much 
less so.


 
 View on www.npr.org 
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 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite... 







 


 














  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I would leave that up to her. Who can tell what is in another's heart? Anyone 
presuming to is a fool. Let's let women make their own decisions, as we allow 
men to, and live with the consequences. Not exactly a radical concept, is it?
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There is nothing at all wrong with an abortion, except the emotional toll on 
the mother to be. This crap about equating it to murder is just that: Crap. A 
means for male dominated churches to exert power over women. There is no 
spiritual basis for that nonsense.
 
Maharishi used to say *sin* is the cause of *all* suffering. If a woman has an 
*emotional toll* for having an abortion, she has a conscience. If not, she's 
*barely* human. 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 9:05 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL
 
 
Better the pope spend time rooting out the pedophiles from his 
organization, and the other spreaders of this angry little nightmare give it a 
rest. Might as well get used to Kaine. He could be president in 2020 - I wonder 
if the abortion hating, bible thumping GOP will still be around, though? 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "Kaine's answer on abortion is basically Adolf Eichmann's answer on the 
Holocaust: I don't let my personal beliefs interfere with state policy."
 

 Obersturmbannführer Kaine: Little Eichmann, Catholic Heretic 
https://pjmedia.com/election/2016/10/05/obersturmbannfuhrer-kaine-little-eichmann-catholic-heretic/
 
 
 
https://pjmedia.com/election/2016/10/05/obersturmbannfuhrer-kaine-little-eichmann-catholic-heretic/
 
 Obersturmbannführer Kaine: Little Eichmann, Catholic He... 
https://pjmedia.com/election/2016/10/05/obersturmbannfuhrer-kaine-little-eichmann-catholic-heretic/
 No moral or Constitutional reason prevents acting on the tenets of your faith.


 
 View on pjmedia.com 
https://pjmedia.com/election/2016/10/05/obersturmbannfuhrer-kaine-little-eichmann-catholic-heretic/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 Why Don't We Hear More About The Christian Left? 
http://www.npr.org/2016/10/06/496731092/why-dont-we-hear-more-about-the-christian-left
 
 
 
http://www.npr.org/2016/10/06/496731092/why-dont-we-hear-more-about-the-christian-left
 
 Why Don't We Hear More About The Christian Left? 
http://www.npr.org/2016/10/06/496731092/why-dont-we-hear-more-about-the-christian-left
 Long story short: The right is very, very Christian, while the left is much 
less so.


 
 View on www.npr.org 
http://www.npr.org/2016/10/06/496731092/why-dont-we-hear-more-about-the-christian-left
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite... 







 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

There is nothing at all wrong with an abortion, except the emotional toll on 
the mother to be. This crap about equating it to murder is just that: Crap. A 
means for male dominated churches to exert power over women. There is no 
spiritual basis for that nonsense.
Maharishi used to say *sin* is the cause of *all* suffering. If a woman has an 
*emotional toll* for having an abortion, she has a conscience. If not, she's 
*barely* human. 
  From: "olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 9:05 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL
   
     Better the pope spend time rooting out the pedophiles from his 
organization, and the other spreaders of this angry little nightmare give it a 
rest. Might as well get used to Kaine. He could be president in 2020 - I wonder 
if the abortion hating, bible thumping GOP will still be around, though? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

"Kaine's answer on abortion is basically Adolf Eichmann's answer on the 
Holocaust: I don't let my personal beliefs interfere with state policy."
Obersturmbannführer Kaine: Little Eichmann, Catholic Heretic
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  ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
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  ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite...   #yiv1423152397 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[anon_alias]

It's really getting deep - maybe I should get my boots on. Are there any yogis 
out there reading this? Is there anyone out there that can read?  

 Here is the photo I posted: Ashtanga Namaskara, step six of the Namaskar 
Asana, according to Sri Sri Ravi shankar: 

 
http://cdn.artofliving.org/sites/www.artofliving.org/files/wysiwyg_imageupload/suryanamaskar_step6_0.jpg
 
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 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 His post this morning tells us everything we need to know about who he is.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's so odd that he continues to post the very photos that negate his own 
statement!  I'm out as well.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As you can see from the instructional photos anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. just 
posted, the Sun Salutation does not, in fact, have a hands-and-knees asana. He 
has known this all along. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

 This is what a "hand and knees" position looks like.  Is this one of the 
positions of the Sun Salutation?  Is this what was shown by Sri Sri as the 
position he gets into to perform the Sun Salutation?  Again, get over it.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

His post this morning tells us everything we need to know about who he is. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's so odd that he continues to post the very photos that negate his own 
statement!  I'm out as well.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As you can see from the instructional photos anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. just 
posted, the Sun Salutation does not, in fact, have a hands-and-knees asana. He 
has known this all along. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

 This is what a "hand and knees" position looks like.  Is this one of the 
positions of the Sun Salutation?  Is this what was shown by Sri Sri as the 
position he gets into to perform the Sun Salutation?  Again, get over it.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You have no grace in a debate, win or lose. 
 

 You could have at least acknowledged that the Sri Sri gets down and his hands 
and knees to perform the Sun Salutation. You could have read the article where 
Time Magazine blames Bill Clinton for the Great Recession. 
 

 You could do a lot of things, but you are very ungraceful in a debate. 
 

 And, that's the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wrong. Why do you keep lying about this? And BTW, as you know, I never said a 
word one way or the other about Clinton and bank deregulation. That was another 
one of your lies.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope. You lied about the steps in the Sun Salutation and I told the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope, you've got it backwards. I told the truth; you did not. (You rarely do.)
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The truth is subjective, but you lost out on both counts, but not with grace.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. will not tell the truth if 
he can possibly help it. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, she will never admit that she is wrong about 
something, whether it's the steps in the Sun Salutation or that Bill Clinton 
signed into law bank deregulation. Go figure.
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[anon_alias]

Well, that's weird - this is the photo I posted:
 

 
http://cdn.artofliving.org/sites/www.artofliving.org/files/wysiwyg_imageupload/suryanamaskar_step6_0.jpg
 
http://cdn.artofliving.org/sites/www.artofliving.org/files/wysiwyg_imageupload/suryanamaskar_step6_0.jpg
 
 
 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As you can see from the instructional photos anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. just 
posted, the Sun Salutation does not, in fact, have a hands-and-knees asana. He 
has known this all along. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

 This is what a "hand and knees" position looks like.  Is this one of the 
positions of the Sun Salutation?  Is this what was shown by Sri Sri as the 
position he gets into to perform the Sun Salutation?  Again, get over it.  
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You have no grace in a debate, win or lose. 
 

 You could have at least acknowledged that the Sri Sri gets down and his hands 
and knees to perform the Sun Salutation. You could have read the article where 
Time Magazine blames Bill Clinton for the Great Recession. 
 

 You could do a lot of things, but you are very ungraceful in a debate. 
 

 And, that's the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wrong. Why do you keep lying about this? And BTW, as you know, I never said a 
word one way or the other about Clinton and bank deregulation. That was another 
one of your lies.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope. You lied about the steps in the Sun Salutation and I told the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope, you've got it backwards. I told the truth; you did not. (You rarely do.)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[anon_alias]

I'm beginning to think there is something seriously wrong with her cognitive 
skills, or lack thereof. Maybe she should retreat to a safe-space - somewhere 
her feeling don't get so easily hurt. 
 

 She seems to be offended by almost everything these days - and Barry isn't 
even posting here anymore! Go figure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For God's sake, Judy get some rest.  This has been an active day for you.  Too 
active, I think.  Make a pot of chamomile and pick up that book you've been 
meaning to read. You'll get through this, and tomorrow is another day, and you 
can start off fresh.   

 I'll try hard not to antagonize you by offering a difference of opinion.
 

 Easy does it dear.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Stevie-poo and anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. are welcome to keep on being uncivil 
and insulting and telling lies. 

 I'm bowing out of the nasty little hell they've created for themselves. Hope 
they continue to enjoy it, but I'm no longer going to participate. There are 
decent human beings here to talk to.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 No, you're lying. Steve told three lies in a row. (Not the first time, 
either.) 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve didn't lie - you owe him an apology.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I tell the truth (and expose liars). Beyond that, I don't worry about "grace." 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You have no grace in a debate, win or lose. 
 

 You could have at least acknowledged that the Sri Sri gets down and his hands 
and knees to perform the Sun Salutation. You could have read the article where 
Time Magazine blames Bill Clinton for the Great Recession. 
 

 You could do a lot of things, but you are very ungraceful in a debate. 
 

 And, that's the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wrong. Why do you keep lying about this? And BTW, as you know, I never said a 
word one way or the other about Clinton and bank deregulation. That was another 
one of your lies.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope. You lied about the steps in the Sun Salutation and I told the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope, you've got it backwards. I told the truth; you did not. (You rarely do.)
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The truth is subjective, but you lost out on both counts, but not with grace.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. will not tell the truth if 
he can possibly help it. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, she will never admit that she is wrong about 
something, whether it's the steps in the Sun Salutation or that Bill Clinton 
signed into law bank deregulation. Go figure.
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[anon_alias]

I'm beginning to think this dialog is with a couple of posers. 
 

 Either that, or they are deliberately trying to pick a fight with me for no 
reason. 
 

 Millions of people world-wide get down on their hands and knees several times 
a day to pray. It's probably the most widely practiced yoga pose on the entire 
planet!
 

Ashtanga Namaskara, step six of the Namaskar Asana: 
 
http://cdn.artofliving.org/sites/www.artofliving.org/files/wysiwyg_imageupload/suryanamaskar_step6_0.jpg
 
http://cdn.artofliving.org/sites/www.artofliving.org/files/wysiwyg_imageupload/suryanamaskar_step6_0.jpg
 
 
 
http://cdn.artofliving.org/sites/www.artofliving.org/files/wysiwyg_imageupload/suryanamaskar_step6_0.jpg
 
 
 http://cdn.artofliving.org/sites/www.artofliving.org/fil... 
http://cdn.artofliving.org/sites/www.artofliving.org/files/wysiwyg_imageupload/suryanamaskar_step6_0.jpg
 
 
 
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 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
   
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's so odd that he continues to post the very photos that negate his own 
statement!  I'm out as well.   
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As you can see from the instructional photos anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. just 
posted, the Sun Salutation does not, in fact, have a hands-and-knees asana. He 
has known this all along. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

 This is what a "hand and knees" position looks like.  Is this one of the 
positions of the Sun Salutation?  Is this what was shown by Sri Sri as the 
position he gets into to perform the Sun Salutation?  Again, get over it.  
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You have no grace in a debate, win or lose. 
 

 You could have at least acknowledged that the Sri Sri gets down and his hands 
and knees to perform the Sun Salutation. You could have read the article where 
Time Magazine blames Bill Clinton for the Great Recession. 
 

 You could do a lot of things, but you are very ungraceful in a debate. 
 

 And, that's the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wrong. Why do you keep lying about this? And BTW, as you know, I never said a 
word one way or the other about Clinton and bank deregulation. That was another 
one of your lies.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope. You lied about the steps in the Sun Salutation and I told the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope, you've got it backwards. I told the truth; you did not. (You rarely do.)
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The truth is subjective, but you lost out on both counts, but not with grace.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. will not tell the truth if 
he can possibly help it. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, she will never admit that she is wrong about 
something, whether it's the steps in the Sun Salutation or that Bill Clinton 
signed into law bank deregulation. Go figure.
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:







 

















  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It's so odd that he continues to post the very photos that negate his own 
statement!  I'm out as well.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As you can see from the instructional photos anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. just 
posted, the Sun Salutation does not, in fact, have a hands-and-knees asana. He 
has known this all along. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

 This is what a "hand and knees" position looks like.  Is this one of the 
positions of the Sun Salutation?  Is this what was shown by Sri Sri as the 
position he gets into to perform the Sun Salutation?  Again, get over it.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You have no grace in a debate, win or lose. 
 

 You could have at least acknowledged that the Sri Sri gets down and his hands 
and knees to perform the Sun Salutation. You could have read the article where 
Time Magazine blames Bill Clinton for the Great Recession. 
 

 You could do a lot of things, but you are very ungraceful in a debate. 
 

 And, that's the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wrong. Why do you keep lying about this? And BTW, as you know, I never said a 
word one way or the other about Clinton and bank deregulation. That was another 
one of your lies.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope. You lied about the steps in the Sun Salutation and I told the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope, you've got it backwards. I told the truth; you did not. (You rarely do.)
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The truth is subjective, but you lost out on both counts, but not with grace.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. will not tell the truth if 
he can possibly help it. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, she will never admit that she is wrong about 
something, whether it's the steps in the Sun Salutation or that Bill Clinton 
signed into law bank deregulation. Go figure.
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Kaine will be remembered for being the hired gun for Hillary in a debate. 
Pence will be remembered in the next presidential election, which he might win 
in four years.
 

 How dramatic of you. Pence will never, ever become prez, just like Rump will 
never, ever be prez. I'd rather be a hired gun than a stooge.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I guess he felt the upside potential was greater than the downside. 

 I mean, besides Sarah Palin and Geraldine Ferraro how many VP candidates can 
you recall.
 

 Pence, will be remembered, and likely be a trivia question in years to come.  
(may it be so)  But, this will surely lift his political profile, as the 
electorate has a short memory, and he will at least be acknowledged as a team 
player who volunteered for a difficult assignment. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

 snip

 
 I wonder how many nights Pence lies awake wondering how he got himself hitched 
with such a monster. If Pence really is the man he thinks himself to be 
(religious, zealous, decent and conservative) then how can he live with 
himself? 

 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 

 I totally disagree with the 'pundits' on who "won" the debate. The only person 
out there who told the truth and who had hard facts at his disposal (like 
direct Trump and Pence quotes) was Kaine. He came off a bit awkward at first 
firing accusations (timing wasn't great) but he got into the rhythm of the 
thing as the debate went on and was reasonably formidable in his take down or, 
at least, his confrontation of Pence concerning Trump and his ugly and ignorant 
rhetoric. I thought Kaine's statement on women having the right to determine 
what they do with their bodies was strong and as we now all know in the 
aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was totally planned by the 
Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video clips for their expose 
spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing the entire time. Just 
because Pence can sit there like some robotic cadaver and speak in this 
placating kind of marmish tone does not a debate winner make. I can't figure 
out why this qualifies as making him the winner. He couldn't defend Trump 
except to shake his head and priss his lips or outright lie. That is hardly a 
strong defense of his running mate.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
these candidates with every fiber of their being.
 

 Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it is a 
frightening and sickening to behold. My absentee ballot is sitting to the right 
of me on my desk ready to be mailed and, believe me, it is for Hillary/Kaine - 
my only regret is my one vote can't be counted as one million.




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I guess he felt the upside potential was greater than the downside. 

 I mean, besides Sarah Palin and Geraldine Ferraro how many VP candidates can 
you recall.
 

 Pence, will be remembered, and likely be a trivia question in years to come.  
(may it be so)  But, this will surely lift his political profile, as the 
electorate has a short memory, and he will at least be acknowledged as a team 
player who volunteered for a difficult assignment. 
 

 It is an assignment that he has to live with in both his everyday life and 
within his conscience. I don't much care about how Pence fares now or later. He 
is an odd little man. All unctuous and ersatz fundy. I mean, how charitable and 
good-hearted can one be to align oneself with T.rump? The Rump is 
demonstratively hateful and without ethics or morals. So, as some devout 
Christian how do you reconcile this? I'll tell you how. By twisting yourself 
into something that is either who you truly are or who you have to betray 
yourself to become.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

 snip

 
 I wonder how many nights Pence lies awake wondering how he got himself hitched 
with such a monster. If Pence really is the man he thinks himself to be 
(religious, zealous, decent and conservative) then how can he live with 
himself? 

 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 

 I totally disagree with the 'pundits' on who "won" the debate. The only person 
out there who told the truth and who had hard facts at his disposal (like 
direct Trump and Pence quotes) was Kaine. He came off a bit awkward at first 
firing accusations (timing wasn't great) but he got into the rhythm of the 
thing as the debate went on and was reasonably formidable in his take down or, 
at least, his confrontation of Pence concerning Trump and his ugly and ignorant 
rhetoric. I thought Kaine's statement on women having the right to determine 
what they do with their bodies was strong and as we now all know in the 
aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was totally planned by the 
Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video clips for their expose 
spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing the entire time. Just 
because Pence can sit there like some robotic cadaver and speak in this 
placating kind of marmish tone does not a debate winner make. I can't figure 
out why this qualifies as making him the winner. He couldn't defend Trump 
except to shake his head and priss his lips or outright lie. That is hardly a 
strong defense of his running mate.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
these candidates with every fiber of their being.
 

 Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it is a 
frightening and sickening to behold. My absentee ballot is sitting to the right 
of me on my desk ready to be mailed and, believe me, it is for Hillary/Kaine - 
my only regret is my one vote can't be counted as one million.




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

For God's sake, Judy get some rest.  This has been an active day for you.  Too 
active, I think.  Make a pot of chamomile and pick up that book you've been 
meaning to read. You'll get through this, and tomorrow is another day, and you 
can start off fresh.   

 I'll try hard not to antagonize you by offering a difference of opinion.
 

 Easy does it dear.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Stevie-poo and anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. are welcome to keep on being uncivil 
and insulting and telling lies. 

 I'm bowing out of the nasty little hell they've created for themselves. Hope 
they continue to enjoy it, but I'm no longer going to participate. There are 
decent human beings here to talk to.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 No, you're lying. Steve told three lies in a row. (Not the first time, 
either.) 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve didn't lie - you owe him an apology.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I tell the truth (and expose liars). Beyond that, I don't worry about "grace." 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You have no grace in a debate, win or lose. 
 

 You could have at least acknowledged that the Sri Sri gets down and his hands 
and knees to perform the Sun Salutation. You could have read the article where 
Time Magazine blames Bill Clinton for the Great Recession. 
 

 You could do a lot of things, but you are very ungraceful in a debate. 
 

 And, that's the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wrong. Why do you keep lying about this? And BTW, as you know, I never said a 
word one way or the other about Clinton and bank deregulation. That was another 
one of your lies.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope. You lied about the steps in the Sun Salutation and I told the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope, you've got it backwards. I told the truth; you did not. (You rarely do.)
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The truth is subjective, but you lost out on both counts, but not with grace.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. will not tell the truth if 
he can possibly help it. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, she will never admit that she is wrong about 
something, whether it's the steps in the Sun Salutation or that Bill Clinton 
signed into law bank deregulation. Go figure.
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

As you can see from the instructional photos anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. just 
posted, the Sun Salutation does not, in fact, have a hands-and-knees asana. He 
has known this all along. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

 This is what a "hand and knees" position looks like.  Is this one of the 
positions of the Sun Salutation?  Is this what was shown by Sri Sri as the 
position he gets into to perform the Sun Salutation?  Again, get over it.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You have no grace in a debate, win or lose. 
 

 You could have at least acknowledged that the Sri Sri gets down and his hands 
and knees to perform the Sun Salutation. You could have read the article where 
Time Magazine blames Bill Clinton for the Great Recession. 
 

 You could do a lot of things, but you are very ungraceful in a debate. 
 

 And, that's the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wrong. Why do you keep lying about this? And BTW, as you know, I never said a 
word one way or the other about Clinton and bank deregulation. That was another 
one of your lies.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope. You lied about the steps in the Sun Salutation and I told the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope, you've got it backwards. I told the truth; you did not. (You rarely do.)
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The truth is subjective, but you lost out on both counts, but not with grace.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. will not tell the truth if 
he can possibly help it. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, she will never admit that she is wrong about 
something, whether it's the steps in the Sun Salutation or that Bill Clinton 
signed into law bank deregulation. Go figure.
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[anon_alias]

 How To Do Surya Namaskar 
http://www.artofliving.org/us-en/yoga/yoga-poses/sun-salutation 
 
 http://www.artofliving.org/us-en/yoga/yoga-poses/sun-salutation 
 
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http://www.artofliving.org/us-en/yoga/yoga-poses/sun-salutation Sun Salutation 
– The Perfect Yoga Workout If you are pressed for time and looking for a single 
mantra to stay fit, here’s the answer. A
 
 
 
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 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 What's public knowledge is that the Sun Salutation doesn't have a 
getting-down-on-hands-and-knees asana, contrary to your claim. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Why on earth would Judy lie about something that is public knowledge? 
 

 Obviously she just wanted to pick a fight with me. She could have easily just 
said something like "...not all yogis include the ashtang asana in the Surya 
Namaskar."

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

 This is what a "hand and knees" position looks like.  Is this one of the 
positions of the Sun Salutation?  Is this what was shown by Sri Sri as the 
position he gets into to perform the Sun Salutation?  Again, get over it.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You have no grace in a debate, win or lose. 
 

 You could have at least acknowledged that the Sri Sri gets down and his hands 
and knees to perform the Sun Salutation. You could have read the article where 
Time Magazine blames Bill Clinton for the Great Recession. 
 

 You could do a lot of things, but you are very ungraceful in a debate. 
 

 And, that's the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wrong. Why do you keep lying about this? And BTW, as you know, I never said a 
word one way or the other about Clinton and bank deregulation. That was another 
one of your lies.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope. You lied about the steps in the Sun Salutation and I told the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope, you've got it backwards. I told the truth; you did not. (You rarely do.)
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The truth is subjective, but you lost out on both counts, but not with grace.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. will not tell the truth if 
he can possibly help it. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, she will never admit that she is wrong about 
something, whether it's the steps in the Sun Salutation or that Bill Clinton 
signed into law bank deregulation. Go figure.
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:







 

















  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[anon_alias]

Now that was a mean thing to say!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Stevie-poo and anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. are welcome to keep on being uncivil 
and insulting and telling lies. 

 I'm bowing out of the nasty little hell they've created for themselves. Hope 
they continue to enjoy it, but I'm no longer going to participate. There are 
decent human beings here to talk to.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 No, you're lying. Steve told three lies in a row. (Not the first time, 
either.) 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve didn't lie - you owe him an apology.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I tell the truth (and expose liars). Beyond that, I don't worry about "grace." 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You have no grace in a debate, win or lose. 
 

 You could have at least acknowledged that the Sri Sri gets down and his hands 
and knees to perform the Sun Salutation. You could have read the article where 
Time Magazine blames Bill Clinton for the Great Recession. 
 

 You could do a lot of things, but you are very ungraceful in a debate. 
 

 And, that's the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wrong. Why do you keep lying about this? And BTW, as you know, I never said a 
word one way or the other about Clinton and bank deregulation. That was another 
one of your lies.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope. You lied about the steps in the Sun Salutation and I told the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope, you've got it backwards. I told the truth; you did not. (You rarely do.)
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The truth is subjective, but you lost out on both counts, but not with grace.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. will not tell the truth if 
he can possibly help it. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, she will never admit that she is wrong about 
something, whether it's the steps in the Sun Salutation or that Bill Clinton 
signed into law bank deregulation. Go figure.
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Stevie-poo and anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. are welcome to keep on being uncivil 
and insulting and telling lies. 

 I'm bowing out of the nasty little hell they've created for themselves. Hope 
they continue to enjoy it, but I'm no longer going to participate. There are 
decent human beings here to talk to.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 No, you're lying. Steve told three lies in a row. (Not the first time, 
either.) 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve didn't lie - you owe him an apology.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I tell the truth (and expose liars). Beyond that, I don't worry about "grace." 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You have no grace in a debate, win or lose. 
 

 You could have at least acknowledged that the Sri Sri gets down and his hands 
and knees to perform the Sun Salutation. You could have read the article where 
Time Magazine blames Bill Clinton for the Great Recession. 
 

 You could do a lot of things, but you are very ungraceful in a debate. 
 

 And, that's the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wrong. Why do you keep lying about this? And BTW, as you know, I never said a 
word one way or the other about Clinton and bank deregulation. That was another 
one of your lies.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope. You lied about the steps in the Sun Salutation and I told the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope, you've got it backwards. I told the truth; you did not. (You rarely do.)
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The truth is subjective, but you lost out on both counts, but not with grace.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. will not tell the truth if 
he can possibly help it. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, she will never admit that she is wrong about 
something, whether it's the steps in the Sun Salutation or that Bill Clinton 
signed into law bank deregulation. Go figure.
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

What's public knowledge is that the Sun Salutation doesn't have a 
getting-down-on-hands-and-knees asana, contrary to your claim. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Why on earth would Judy lie about something that is public knowledge? 
 

 Obviously she just wanted to pick a fight with me. She could have easily just 
said something like "...not all yogis include the ashtang asana in the Surya 
Namaskar."

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

 This is what a "hand and knees" position looks like.  Is this one of the 
positions of the Sun Salutation?  Is this what was shown by Sri Sri as the 
position he gets into to perform the Sun Salutation?  Again, get over it.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You have no grace in a debate, win or lose. 
 

 You could have at least acknowledged that the Sri Sri gets down and his hands 
and knees to perform the Sun Salutation. You could have read the article where 
Time Magazine blames Bill Clinton for the Great Recession. 
 

 You could do a lot of things, but you are very ungraceful in a debate. 
 

 And, that's the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wrong. Why do you keep lying about this? And BTW, as you know, I never said a 
word one way or the other about Clinton and bank deregulation. That was another 
one of your lies.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope. You lied about the steps in the Sun Salutation and I told the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope, you've got it backwards. I told the truth; you did not. (You rarely do.)
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The truth is subjective, but you lost out on both counts, but not with grace.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. will not tell the truth if 
he can possibly help it. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, she will never admit that she is wrong about 
something, whether it's the steps in the Sun Salutation or that Bill Clinton 
signed into law bank deregulation. Go figure.
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

No, you're lying. Steve told three lies in a row. (Not the first time, either.) 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve didn't lie - you owe him an apology.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I tell the truth (and expose liars). Beyond that, I don't worry about "grace." 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You have no grace in a debate, win or lose. 
 

 You could have at least acknowledged that the Sri Sri gets down and his hands 
and knees to perform the Sun Salutation. You could have read the article where 
Time Magazine blames Bill Clinton for the Great Recession. 
 

 You could do a lot of things, but you are very ungraceful in a debate. 
 

 And, that's the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wrong. Why do you keep lying about this? And BTW, as you know, I never said a 
word one way or the other about Clinton and bank deregulation. That was another 
one of your lies.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope. You lied about the steps in the Sun Salutation and I told the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope, you've got it backwards. I told the truth; you did not. (You rarely do.)
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The truth is subjective, but you lost out on both counts, but not with grace.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. will not tell the truth if 
he can possibly help it. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, she will never admit that she is wrong about 
something, whether it's the steps in the Sun Salutation or that Bill Clinton 
signed into law bank deregulation. Go figure.
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[anon_alias]

Why on earth would Judy lie about something that is public knowledge? 
 

 Obviously she just wanted to pick a fight with me. She could have easily just 
said something like "...not all yogis include the ashtang asana in the Surya 
Namaskar."

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

 This is what a "hand and knees" position looks like.  Is this one of the 
positions of the Sun Salutation?  Is this what was shown by Sri Sri as the 
position he gets into to perform the Sun Salutation?  Again, get over it.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You have no grace in a debate, win or lose. 
 

 You could have at least acknowledged that the Sri Sri gets down and his hands 
and knees to perform the Sun Salutation. You could have read the article where 
Time Magazine blames Bill Clinton for the Great Recession. 
 

 You could do a lot of things, but you are very ungraceful in a debate. 
 

 And, that's the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wrong. Why do you keep lying about this? And BTW, as you know, I never said a 
word one way or the other about Clinton and bank deregulation. That was another 
one of your lies.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope. You lied about the steps in the Sun Salutation and I told the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope, you've got it backwards. I told the truth; you did not. (You rarely do.)
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The truth is subjective, but you lost out on both counts, but not with grace.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. will not tell the truth if 
he can possibly help it. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, she will never admit that she is wrong about 
something, whether it's the steps in the Sun Salutation or that Bill Clinton 
signed into law bank deregulation. Go figure.
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[anon_alias]

Steve didn't lie - you owe him an apology.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I tell the truth (and expose liars). Beyond that, I don't worry about "grace." 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You have no grace in a debate, win or lose. 
 

 You could have at least acknowledged that the Sri Sri gets down and his hands 
and knees to perform the Sun Salutation. You could have read the article where 
Time Magazine blames Bill Clinton for the Great Recession. 
 

 You could do a lot of things, but you are very ungraceful in a debate. 
 

 And, that's the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wrong. Why do you keep lying about this? And BTW, as you know, I never said a 
word one way or the other about Clinton and bank deregulation. That was another 
one of your lies.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope. You lied about the steps in the Sun Salutation and I told the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope, you've got it backwards. I told the truth; you did not. (You rarely do.)
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The truth is subjective, but you lost out on both counts, but not with grace.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. will not tell the truth if 
he can possibly help it. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, she will never admit that she is wrong about 
something, whether it's the steps in the Sun Salutation or that Bill Clinton 
signed into law bank deregulation. Go figure.
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I tell the truth (and expose liars). Beyond that, I don't worry about "grace." 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You have no grace in a debate, win or lose. 
 

 You could have at least acknowledged that the Sri Sri gets down and his hands 
and knees to perform the Sun Salutation. You could have read the article where 
Time Magazine blames Bill Clinton for the Great Recession. 
 

 You could do a lot of things, but you are very ungraceful in a debate. 
 

 And, that's the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wrong. Why do you keep lying about this? And BTW, as you know, I never said a 
word one way or the other about Clinton and bank deregulation. That was another 
one of your lies.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope. You lied about the steps in the Sun Salutation and I told the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope, you've got it backwards. I told the truth; you did not. (You rarely do.)
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The truth is subjective, but you lost out on both counts, but not with grace.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. will not tell the truth if 
he can possibly help it. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, she will never admit that she is wrong about 
something, whether it's the steps in the Sun Salutation or that Bill Clinton 
signed into law bank deregulation. Go figure.
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

 This is what a "hand and knees" position looks like.  Is this one of the 
positions of the Sun Salutation?  Is this what was shown by Sri Sri as the 
position he gets into to perform the Sun Salutation?  Again, get over it.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You have no grace in a debate, win or lose. 
 

 You could have at least acknowledged that the Sri Sri gets down and his hands 
and knees to perform the Sun Salutation. You could have read the article where 
Time Magazine blames Bill Clinton for the Great Recession. 
 

 You could do a lot of things, but you are very ungraceful in a debate. 
 

 And, that's the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wrong. Why do you keep lying about this? And BTW, as you know, I never said a 
word one way or the other about Clinton and bank deregulation. That was another 
one of your lies.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope. You lied about the steps in the Sun Salutation and I told the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope, you've got it backwards. I told the truth; you did not. (You rarely do.)
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The truth is subjective, but you lost out on both counts, but not with grace.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. will not tell the truth if 
he can possibly help it. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, she will never admit that she is wrong about 
something, whether it's the steps in the Sun Salutation or that Bill Clinton 
signed into law bank deregulation. Go figure.
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[anon_alias]

You have no grace in a debate, win or lose. 
 

 You could have at least acknowledged that the Sri Sri gets down and his hands 
and knees to perform the Sun Salutation. You could have read the article where 
Time Magazine blames Bill Clinton for the Great Recession. 
 

 You could do a lot of things, but you are very ungraceful in a debate. 
 

 And, that's the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wrong. Why do you keep lying about this? And BTW, as you know, I never said a 
word one way or the other about Clinton and bank deregulation. That was another 
one of your lies.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope. You lied about the steps in the Sun Salutation and I told the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope, you've got it backwards. I told the truth; you did not. (You rarely do.)
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The truth is subjective, but you lost out on both counts, but not with grace.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. will not tell the truth if 
he can possibly help it. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, she will never admit that she is wrong about 
something, whether it's the steps in the Sun Salutation or that Bill Clinton 
signed into law bank deregulation. Go figure.
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Wrong. Why do you keep lying about this? And BTW, as you know, I never said a 
word one way or the other about Clinton and bank deregulation. That was another 
one of your lies.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope. You lied about the steps in the Sun Salutation and I told the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope, you've got it backwards. I told the truth; you did not. (You rarely do.)
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The truth is subjective, but you lost out on both counts, but not with grace.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. will not tell the truth if 
he can possibly help it. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, she will never admit that she is wrong about 
something, whether it's the steps in the Sun Salutation or that Bill Clinton 
signed into law bank deregulation. Go figure.
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

You, on the other hand, have always been a troll, and you lie constantly. 
(E.g., you did not make the "prediction" you claim.) 

 Notice, BTW, that neither Stevie-poo nor anon_alias has been able to address 
the points I've been making. They go in for meaningless insults instead in an 
attempt to hide the fact that they have no response.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 In the early days on a.m.t. she was quite credible defending the efficacy of 
the TM technique. 
 

 But, somewhere along the way she got really shrill and hostile, especially 
discussing politics, where she becomes almost manic, if not rabid. I saw this 
coming and predicted it. 
 

 It's as if she's still debating Barry. Obviously she won that debate - he's 
now refusing to engage with her anymore. She once called you a "liar" and she 
called Sal "stupid." 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You are an outlier, Judy, with more in common with someone like Rudolf 
Giuliani, than with anyone who has a tad of credibility. 

 You utilize the same bag of tricks employed by Rudy or Sean or some of the 
others.
 

 A superficial friend to those with whom you have a common objective and a 
garden variety partisan to most everyone else.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Poor Stevie-poo. 

 It's really amazing, but he keeps missing what's right under his nose: The 
Clinton campaign is about *winning the election*. If that means "losing" the 
vice-presidential debate (which is completely subjective anyway, unlike the 
election), it's very well worth it.
 

 There was, of course, not a thing "dishonest" about the Clinton debate 
strategy. As I already said, Pence was free to debate all he wanted. He chose 
not to debate the points Kaine brought up.
 

 Stevie thinks "looking presidential" in the vice-presidential debate is more 
important than winning the election.
 

 I told you folks before, the men here (Ollie excluded)--Bhairitu, yogi_dude, 
Mike Dixon, and Stevie--are supporting the male candidate in this election. Not 
all of them, however, have the stones to acknowledge it.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Okay, I did a very quick skim.  So, as I understand it, the purpose of the vp 
debate was to disregard making Kaine look potentially presidential, but rather 
trot him out as monkey programmed to elicit phrases from his opponent to be 
used in campaign ads. 

 Hey, if that sounds like a good strategy to to you, go for it.  I go for a 
little more honesty in my candidates. You know, how Hillary says she likes to 
take the high road, even when her opponents do not?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Heh heh. Read this, then come back after you've wiped the egg off your face: 

 Clinton debate prep is focused on what happens once the debate is done 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 
 
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 
 Clinton debate prep is focused on what happens once the ... 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 After the Kaine-Pence tilt, the Democrat’s campaign again came out firing with 
videos, ads and tweets attacking Trump.


 
 View on www.washingtonpost... 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

   
 

 

 

 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Absolutely right.  I am focussed on winning.  And the consensus was that Kaine 
lost the debate. 

 Now, you may or may not be correct that the Clinton team was not focussed on 
winning the debate, but rather trying to coax out choice sound bites to use for 
future ads, even if it was the expense of their candidate looking as if he was 
in control.
 

 But you are such an outlier that you will engage in your usual bob and weave, 
pretzel this way and that to try to prove some point.
 

 Oh, and something about "very, very very clever strategies".  They often don't 
turn out to be very clever. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This is too subtle, it seems, for some folks here to grasp. They're fixated on 
"winning" and "losing" as if the debate were a football game. 

 Kaine did just what he was supposed to do, and did it superbly: throw one 
Trump stupidity after another at Pence, leaving him no options but to falsely 
deny them or simply avoid defending them. All captured on tape to be used as 
the basis for Clinton ads, along with clips documenting the stupidities Pence 
was unable to engage with.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[anon_alias]

Nope. You lied about the steps in the Sun Salutation and I told the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope, you've got it backwards. I told the truth; you did not. (You rarely do.)
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The truth is subjective, but you lost out on both counts, but not with grace.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. will not tell the truth if 
he can possibly help it. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, she will never admit that she is wrong about 
something, whether it's the steps in the Sun Salutation or that Bill Clinton 
signed into law bank deregulation. Go figure.
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[anon_alias]

Kaine will be remembered for being the hired gun for Hillary in a debate. Pence 
will be remembered in the next presidential election, which he might win in 
four years.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I guess he felt the upside potential was greater than the downside. 

 I mean, besides Sarah Palin and Geraldine Ferraro how many VP candidates can 
you recall.
 

 Pence, will be remembered, and likely be a trivia question in years to come.  
(may it be so)  But, this will surely lift his political profile, as the 
electorate has a short memory, and he will at least be acknowledged as a team 
player who volunteered for a difficult assignment. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

 snip

 
 I wonder how many nights Pence lies awake wondering how he got himself hitched 
with such a monster. If Pence really is the man he thinks himself to be 
(religious, zealous, decent and conservative) then how can he live with 
himself? 

 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 

 I totally disagree with the 'pundits' on who "won" the debate. The only person 
out there who told the truth and who had hard facts at his disposal (like 
direct Trump and Pence quotes) was Kaine. He came off a bit awkward at first 
firing accusations (timing wasn't great) but he got into the rhythm of the 
thing as the debate went on and was reasonably formidable in his take down or, 
at least, his confrontation of Pence concerning Trump and his ugly and ignorant 
rhetoric. I thought Kaine's statement on women having the right to determine 
what they do with their bodies was strong and as we now all know in the 
aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was totally planned by the 
Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video clips for their expose 
spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing the entire time. Just 
because Pence can sit there like some robotic cadaver and speak in this 
placating kind of marmish tone does not a debate winner make. I can't figure 
out why this qualifies as making him the winner. He couldn't defend Trump 
except to shake his head and priss his lips or outright lie. That is hardly a 
strong defense of his running mate.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
these candidates with every fiber of their being.
 

 Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it is a 
frightening and sickening to behold. My absentee ballot is sitting to the right 
of me on my desk ready to be mailed and, believe me, it is for Hillary/Kaine - 
my only regret is my one vote can't be counted as one million.




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[anon_alias]

In the early days on a.m.t. she was quite credible defending the efficacy of 
the TM technique. 
 

 But, somewhere along the way she got really shrill and hostile, especially 
discussing politics, where she becomes almost manic, if not rabid. I saw this 
coming and predicted it. 
 

 It's as if she's still debating Barry. Obviously she won that debate - he's 
now refusing to engage with her anymore. She once called you a "liar" and she 
called Sal "stupid." 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You are an outlier, Judy, with more in common with someone like Rudolf 
Giuliani, than with anyone who has a tad of credibility. 

 You utilize the same bag of tricks employed by Rudy or Sean or some of the 
others.
 

 A superficial friend to those with whom you have a common objective and a 
garden variety partisan to most everyone else.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Poor Stevie-poo. 

 It's really amazing, but he keeps missing what's right under his nose: The 
Clinton campaign is about *winning the election*. If that means "losing" the 
vice-presidential debate (which is completely subjective anyway, unlike the 
election), it's very well worth it.
 

 There was, of course, not a thing "dishonest" about the Clinton debate 
strategy. As I already said, Pence was free to debate all he wanted. He chose 
not to debate the points Kaine brought up.
 

 Stevie thinks "looking presidential" in the vice-presidential debate is more 
important than winning the election.
 

 I told you folks before, the men here (Ollie excluded)--Bhairitu, yogi_dude, 
Mike Dixon, and Stevie--are supporting the male candidate in this election. Not 
all of them, however, have the stones to acknowledge it.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Okay, I did a very quick skim.  So, as I understand it, the purpose of the vp 
debate was to disregard making Kaine look potentially presidential, but rather 
trot him out as monkey programmed to elicit phrases from his opponent to be 
used in campaign ads. 

 Hey, if that sounds like a good strategy to to you, go for it.  I go for a 
little more honesty in my candidates. You know, how Hillary says she likes to 
take the high road, even when her opponents do not?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Heh heh. Read this, then come back after you've wiped the egg off your face: 

 Clinton debate prep is focused on what happens once the debate is done 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 
 
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 
 Clinton debate prep is focused on what happens once the ... 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 After the Kaine-Pence tilt, the Democrat’s campaign again came out firing with 
videos, ads and tweets attacking Trump.


 
 View on www.washingtonpost... 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

   
 

 

 

 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Absolutely right.  I am focussed on winning.  And the consensus was that Kaine 
lost the debate. 

 Now, you may or may not be correct that the Clinton team was not focussed on 
winning the debate, but rather trying to coax out choice sound bites to use for 
future ads, even if it was the expense of their candidate looking as if he was 
in control.
 

 But you are such an outlier that you will engage in your usual bob and weave, 
pretzel this way and that to try to prove some point.
 

 Oh, and something about "very, very very clever strategies".  They often don't 
turn out to be very clever. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This is too subtle, it seems, for some folks here to grasp. They're fixated on 
"winning" and "losing" as if the debate were a football game. 

 Kaine did just what he was supposed to do, and did it superbly: throw one 
Trump stupidity after another at Pence, leaving him no options but to falsely 
deny them or simply avoid defending them. All captured on tape to be used as 
the basis for Clinton ads, along with clips documenting the stupidities Pence 
was unable to engage with. Very, very clever strategy. Her campaign can count 
on Trump cooperating because he's so vulnerable to being manipulated.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 (snip)
 
 as we now all know in the aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was 
totally planned by the Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video 
clips for their expose spot afterwards to highlight

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Nope, you've got it backwards. I told the truth; you did not. (You rarely do.) 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The truth is subjective, but you lost out on both counts, but not with grace.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. will not tell the truth if 
he can possibly help it. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, she will never admit that she is wrong about 
something, whether it's the steps in the Sun Salutation or that Bill Clinton 
signed into law bank deregulation. Go figure.
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I guess he felt the upside potential was greater than the downside. 

 I mean, besides Sarah Palin and Geraldine Ferraro how many VP candidates can 
you recall.
 

 Pence, will be remembered, and likely be a trivia question in years to come.  
(may it be so)  But, this will surely lift his political profile, as the 
electorate has a short memory, and he will at least be acknowledged as a team 
player who volunteered for a difficult assignment. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

 snip

 
 I wonder how many nights Pence lies awake wondering how he got himself hitched 
with such a monster. If Pence really is the man he thinks himself to be 
(religious, zealous, decent and conservative) then how can he live with 
himself? 

 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 

 I totally disagree with the 'pundits' on who "won" the debate. The only person 
out there who told the truth and who had hard facts at his disposal (like 
direct Trump and Pence quotes) was Kaine. He came off a bit awkward at first 
firing accusations (timing wasn't great) but he got into the rhythm of the 
thing as the debate went on and was reasonably formidable in his take down or, 
at least, his confrontation of Pence concerning Trump and his ugly and ignorant 
rhetoric. I thought Kaine's statement on women having the right to determine 
what they do with their bodies was strong and as we now all know in the 
aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was totally planned by the 
Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video clips for their expose 
spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing the entire time. Just 
because Pence can sit there like some robotic cadaver and speak in this 
placating kind of marmish tone does not a debate winner make. I can't figure 
out why this qualifies as making him the winner. He couldn't defend Trump 
except to shake his head and priss his lips or outright lie. That is hardly a 
strong defense of his running mate.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
these candidates with every fiber of their being.
 

 Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it is a 
frightening and sickening to behold. My absentee ballot is sitting to the right 
of me on my desk ready to be mailed and, believe me, it is for Hillary/Kaine - 
my only regret is my one vote can't be counted as one million.




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[anon_alias]

The truth is subjective, but you lost out on both counts, but not with grace.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. will not tell the truth if 
he can possibly help it. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, she will never admit that she is wrong about 
something, whether it's the steps in the Sun Salutation or that Bill Clinton 
signed into law bank deregulation. Go figure.
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[Sal Sunshine salsunshineini...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

Amen.  And this was basically what I was trying to say.

Sal 



On Oct 6, 2016, at 3:32 PM, olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
 wrote:



I agree with you in a narrow context. That is, if someone were totally 
oblivious to the issues, or perhaps didn't even speak English, and watched the 
debate, they might conclude that Pence won the debate, based on his relative 
composure. But that is all Pence has, the ability to lie with his eyes open, 
and a tight smile on his face. Only superficially did he win anything, and just 
like his boss, in the long run, there is nothing there. 

Politics is necessarily a game of exaggeration and over-simplification, but it 
has reached cartoonish levels with the GOP candidates - they lie, and you 
either ignore them and get challenged on not addressing 'the facts', or spend 
the majority of time refuting the bitter fantasies that they relentlessly dream 
up. A couple of tar babies. It is grotesque, and brings us all down as a 
country.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , 
 wrote :

All that may be true, and I don't disagree with any of it, but it appeared to 
most watchers, or at least most pundits that he did not win the debate.

Hillary on the other hand seemed poised* when she debated Trump and the results 
speak for themselves.

*of course she prepared arduously.  but at the risk of sounding like a bliss 
ninny, she appeared to be herself, and not operating with an ulterior agenda, 
which if you buy the scenario put forth by Ann and Judy was the plan with Kaine.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , 
 wrote :

Kaine's performance wasn't all scripted. What I saw was someone who cares 
deeply for his country, and has great respect and trust in the candidate who 
has chosen him as running mate. I saw him genuinely a little pissed off at the 
constant lies and rhetoric leveled at Clinton, by Trump, someone with no 
experience except in running his mouth. Pence has essentially made a deal with 
the devil. He enjoys his little perch, preaching to the masses, and riding 
around in limos. Reminds me of an organ grinder's monkey. He hopes to 
capitalize on it, and continue giving the country away to his rich friends, 
safe in his "messiah's" shadow, while castigating those who do not pay 
obeisance to his biblical hallucinations. What a phony, creepy, fake, with 
those deep set beady little eyes darting around. He and Trump are the very 
worst this country has to offer, and anyone can see through this toxic couple, 
like the con-artists they are.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , 
 wrote :

As I said, I did not watch the debate, so was limited to the clips and the post 
debate commentary which seemed to give the "win" to Pence.  However, if, as you 
speculate, the purpose of the debate on the Clinton side was "capture  sound 
bites" and not really debate the issues, well that sounds pretty strange in 
itself, and I guess, sorta proves my point.

Bring out Kaine with a different agenda than to debate, but rather try to make 
the opponent make statements for fodder in future campaign ads.

And again, if that is the case, then I would have preferred to see a more 
honest debate, than one with that ulterior motive.

But also, according to your analysis below, the reason Pence DID appear to come 
out the winner was because he WAS himself, with all the lies and 
misrepresentations.  He evidently is comfortable with that, and that came 
across.

Just sayin'


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , 
 wrote :

I totally disagree with the 'pundits' on who "won" the debate. The only person 
out there who told the truth and who had hard facts at his disposal (like 
direct Trump and Pence quotes) was Kaine. He came off a bit awkward at first 
firing accusations (timing wasn't great) but he got into the rhythm of the 
thing as the debate went on and was reasonably formidable in his take down or, 
at least, his confrontation of Pence concerning Trump and his ugly and ignorant 
rhetoric. I thought Kaine's statement on women having the right to determine 
what they do with their bodies was strong and as we now all know in the 
aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was totally planned by the 
Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video clips for their expose 
spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing the entire time. Just 
because Pence can sit there like some robotic cadaver and speak in this 
placating kind of marmish tone does not a debate winner make. I can't figure 
out why this qualifies as making him the winner. He couldn't defend Trump 
except to shake his head and priss his lips or outright lie. That is hardly a 
strong defense of his running mate.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , 
 wrote :

Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 (snip)
 

 I disagree with the assertion made by Judy, that the tack taken by Kaine was 
"very, very very clever",
 

 Just couldn't resist sneaking in a third "very," could you?
 

 brilliant in that accomplished the purpose of eliciting sounds bites from 
Pence.  In doubling down on this assertion she indicates that it was essential 
for Kaine to do this for Clinton to win the elections.
 

 Nope, didn't "indicate" that at all.
 

 In other words, making Kaine overly aggressive was the only way he could score 
points in the debate.

 

 Didn't "indicate" that either. You made that up out of whole cloth (just like 
the third "very").
 

 These sentiments strike me as absurd, or at least misguided, as well as 
dishonest,
 

 Says Stevie after telling three lies in a row.
 

 Oooopsie!
 

 

 

 and typical of the kind of spin we see on the extremes of campaigns by those 
trying to make their candidates look better than they might otherwise appear.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I agree with you in a narrow context. That is, if someone were totally 
oblivious to the issues, or perhaps didn't even speak English, and watched the 
debate, they might conclude that Pence won the debate, based on his relative 
composure. But that is all Pence has, the ability to lie with his eyes open, 
and a tight smile on his face. Only superficially did he win anything, and just 
like his boss, in the long run, there is nothing there. 

Politics is necessarily a game of exaggeration and over-simplification, but it 
has reached cartoonish levels with the GOP candidates - they lie, and you 
either ignore them and get challenged on not addressing 'the facts', or spend 
the majority of time refuting the bitter fantasies that they relentlessly dream 
up. A couple of tar babies. It is grotesque, and brings us all down as a 
country.

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 All that may be true, and I don't disagree with any of it, but it appeared to 
most watchers, or at least most pundits that he did not win the debate. 

 Hillary on the other hand seemed poised* when she debated Trump and the 
results speak for themselves.
 

 *of course she prepared arduously.  but at the risk of sounding like a bliss 
ninny, she appeared to be herself, and not operating with an ulterior agenda, 
which if you buy the scenario put forth by Ann and Judy was the plan with 
Kaine. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Kaine's performance wasn't all scripted. What I saw was someone who cares 
deeply for his country, and has great respect and trust in the candidate who 
has chosen him as running mate. I saw him genuinely a little pissed off at the 
constant lies and rhetoric leveled at Clinton, by Trump, someone with no 
experience except in running his mouth. Pence has essentially made a deal with 
the devil. He enjoys his little perch, preaching to the masses, and riding 
around in limos. Reminds me of an organ grinder's monkey. He hopes to 
capitalize on it, and continue giving the country away to his rich friends, 
safe in his "messiah's" shadow, while castigating those who do not pay 
obeisance to his biblical hallucinations. What a phony, creepy, fake, with 
those deep set beady little eyes darting around. He and Trump are the very 
worst this country has to offer, and anyone can see through this toxic couple, 
like the con-artists they are.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As I said, I did not watch the debate, so was limited to the clips and the 
post debate commentary which seemed to give the "win" to Pence.  However, if, 
as you speculate, the purpose of the debate on the Clinton side was "capture  
sound bites" and not really debate the issues, well that sounds pretty strange 
in itself, and I guess, sorta proves my point. 

 Bring out Kaine with a different agenda than to debate, but rather try to make 
the opponent make statements for fodder in future campaign ads.
 

 And again, if that is the case, then I would have preferred to see a more 
honest debate, than one with that ulterior motive.
 

 But also, according to your analysis below, the reason Pence DID appear to 
come out the winner was because he WAS himself, with all the lies and 
misrepresentations.  He evidently is comfortable with that, and that came 
across.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 

 I totally disagree with the 'pundits' on who "won" the debate. The only person 
out there who told the truth and who had hard facts at his disposal (like 
direct Trump and Pence quotes) was Kaine. He came off a bit awkward at first 
firing accusations (timing wasn't great) but he got into the rhythm of the 
thing as the debate went on and was reasonably formidable in his take down or, 
at least, his confrontation of Pence concerning Trump and his ugly and ignorant 
rhetoric. I thought Kaine's statement on women having the right to determine 
w

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Here, let me preface this comment by making an observation. 

 Bankers by nature tend to be a more conservative.
 

 Journalists, more liberal.
 

 So, when someone says the media  has a liberal bias, that is probably true, 
but it does not in my opinion preclude balanced reporting.
 

 Now, having said that, when I listened to the commentary on public radio after 
the debate, the commentators echoed what you have said below:  Politics is a 
game of exaggeration and oversimplification and appearances and feelings.  And 
debates exemplify that.  As an example of this, they said viewers, could, if 
they wanted, fact check statements by the participants as the debate went a 
long.  Few do.
 

 So, the fact is, that by consensus, Pence came off looking better than Kaine. 
You can say it's not fair, that it's a reflection of the sad state of the 
American electorate, but that is the reality.
 

 I disagree with the assertion made by Judy, that the tack taken by Kaine was 
"very, very very clever", brilliant in that accomplished the purpose of 
eliciting sounds bites from Pence.  In doubling down on this assertion she 
indicates that it was essential for Kaine to do this for Clinton to win the 
elections.  In other words, making Kaine overly aggressive was the only way he 
could score points in the debate.
 

 These sentiments strike me as absurd, or at least misguided, as well as 
dishonest, and typical of the kind of spin we see on the extremes of campaigns 
by those trying to make their candidates look better than they might otherwise 
appear.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I agree with you in a narrow context. That is, if someone were totally 
oblivious to the issues, or perhaps didn't even speak English, and watched the 
debate, they might conclude that Pence won the debate, based on his relative 
composure. But that is all Pence has, the ability to lie with his eyes open, 
and a tight smile on his face. Only superficially did he win anything, and just 
like his boss, in the long run, there is nothing there. 

Politics is necessarily a game of exaggeration and over-simplification, but it 
has reached cartoonish levels with the GOP candidates - they lie, and you 
either ignore them and get challenged on not addressing 'the facts', or spend 
the majority of time refuting the bitter fantasies that they relentlessly dream 
up. A couple of tar babies. It is grotesque, and brings us all down as a 
country.

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 All that may be true, and I don't disagree with any of it, but it appeared to 
most watchers, or at least most pundits that he did not win the debate. 

 Hillary on the other hand seemed poised* when she debated Trump and the 
results speak for themselves.
 

 *of course she prepared arduously.  but at the risk of sounding like a bliss 
ninny, she appeared to be herself, and not operating with an ulterior agenda, 
which if you buy the scenario put forth by Ann and Judy was the plan with 
Kaine. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Kaine's performance wasn't all scripted. What I saw was someone who cares 
deeply for his country, and has great respect and trust in the candidate who 
has chosen him as running mate. I saw him genuinely a little pissed off at the 
constant lies and rhetoric leveled at Clinton, by Trump, someone with no 
experience except in running his mouth. Pence has essentially made a deal with 
the devil. He enjoys his little perch, preaching to the masses, and riding 
around in limos. Reminds me of an organ grinder's monkey. He hopes to 
capitalize on it, and continue giving the country away to his rich friends, 
safe in his "messiah's" shadow, while castigating those who do not pay 
obeisance to his biblical hallucinations. What a phony, creepy, fake, with 
those deep set beady little eyes darting around. He and Trump are the very 
worst this country has to offer, and anyone can see through this toxic couple, 
like the con-artists they are.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As I said, I did not watch the debate, so was limited to the clips and the 
post debate commentary which seemed to give the "win" to Pence.  However, if, 
as you speculate, the purpose of the debate on the Clinton side was "capture  
sound bites" and not really debate the issues, well that sounds pretty strange 
in itself, and I guess, sorta proves my point. 

 Bring out Kaine with a different agenda than to debate, but rather try to make 
the opponent make statements for fodder in future campaign ads.
 

 And again, if that is the case, then I would have preferred to see a more 
honest debate, than one with that ulterior motive.
 

 But also, according to your analysis below, the reason Pence DID appear to 
come out the winner was because he WAS himself, with all the lies and 
misrepresentations.  He evidently is comfortable with that, and that came 
across.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 

 I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I agree with you in a narrow context. That is, if someone were totally 
oblivious to the issues, or perhaps didn't even speak English, and watched the 
debate, they might conclude that Pence won the debate, based on his relative 
composure. But that is all Pence has, the ability to lie with his eyes open, 
and a tight smile on his face. Only superficially did he win anything, and just 
like his boss, in the long run, there is nothing there. 

Politics is necessarily a game of exaggeration and over-simplification, but it 
has reached cartoonish levels with the GOP candidates - they lie, and you 
either ignore them and get challenged on not addressing 'the facts', or spend 
the majority of time refuting the bitter fantasies that they relentlessly dream 
up. A couple of tar babies. It is grotesque, and brings us all down as a 
country.

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 All that may be true, and I don't disagree with any of it, but it appeared to 
most watchers, or at least most pundits that he did not win the debate. 

 Hillary on the other hand seemed poised* when she debated Trump and the 
results speak for themselves.
 

 *of course she prepared arduously.  but at the risk of sounding like a bliss 
ninny, she appeared to be herself, and not operating with an ulterior agenda, 
which if you buy the scenario put forth by Ann and Judy was the plan with 
Kaine. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Kaine's performance wasn't all scripted. What I saw was someone who cares 
deeply for his country, and has great respect and trust in the candidate who 
has chosen him as running mate. I saw him genuinely a little pissed off at the 
constant lies and rhetoric leveled at Clinton, by Trump, someone with no 
experience except in running his mouth. Pence has essentially made a deal with 
the devil. He enjoys his little perch, preaching to the masses, and riding 
around in limos. Reminds me of an organ grinder's monkey. He hopes to 
capitalize on it, and continue giving the country away to his rich friends, 
safe in his "messiah's" shadow, while castigating those who do not pay 
obeisance to his biblical hallucinations. What a phony, creepy, fake, with 
those deep set beady little eyes darting around. He and Trump are the very 
worst this country has to offer, and anyone can see through this toxic couple, 
like the con-artists they are.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As I said, I did not watch the debate, so was limited to the clips and the 
post debate commentary which seemed to give the "win" to Pence.  However, if, 
as you speculate, the purpose of the debate on the Clinton side was "capture  
sound bites" and not really debate the issues, well that sounds pretty strange 
in itself, and I guess, sorta proves my point. 

 Bring out Kaine with a different agenda than to debate, but rather try to make 
the opponent make statements for fodder in future campaign ads.
 

 And again, if that is the case, then I would have preferred to see a more 
honest debate, than one with that ulterior motive.
 

 But also, according to your analysis below, the reason Pence DID appear to 
come out the winner was because he WAS himself, with all the lies and 
misrepresentations.  He evidently is comfortable with that, and that came 
across.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 

 I totally disagree with the 'pundits' on who "won" the debate. The only person 
out there who told the truth and who had hard facts at his disposal (like 
direct Trump and Pence quotes) was Kaine. He came off a bit awkward at first 
firing accusations (timing wasn't great) but he got into the rhythm of the 
thing as the debate went on and was reasonably formidable in his take down or, 
at least, his confrontation of Pence concerning Trump and his ugly and ignorant 
rhetoric. I thought Kaine's statement on women having the right to determine 
what they do with their bodies was strong and as we now all know in the 
aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was totally planned by the 
Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video clips for their expose 
spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing the entire time. Just 
because Pence can sit there like some robotic cadaver and speak in this 
placating kind of marmish tone does not a debate winner make. I can't figure 
out why this qualifies as making him the winner. He couldn't defend Trump 
except to shake his head and priss his lips or outright lie. That is hardly a 
strong defense of his running mate.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Stevie, this is meaningless bafflegab. You come up with this kind of crap 
whenever you find yourself backed into a corner and can't think of a way of 
getting out again. 

 I know you tell yourself that you're striking killing blows, but actually they 
only reflect badly on you.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You are an outlier, Judy, with more in common with someone like Rudolf 
Giuliani, than with anyone who has a tad of credibility. 

 You utilize the same bag of tricks employed by Rudy or Sean or some of the 
others.
 

 A superficial friend to those with whom you have a common objective and a 
garden variety partisan to most everyone else.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Poor Stevie-poo. 

 It's really amazing, but he keeps missing what's right under his nose: The 
Clinton campaign is about *winning the election*. If that means "losing" the 
vice-presidential debate (which is completely subjective anyway, unlike the 
election), it's very well worth it.
 

 There was, of course, not a thing "dishonest" about the Clinton debate 
strategy. As I already said, Pence was free to debate all he wanted. He chose 
not to debate the points Kaine brought up.
 

 Stevie thinks "looking presidential" in the vice-presidential debate is more 
important than winning the election.
 

 I told you folks before, the men here (Ollie excluded)--Bhairitu, yogi_dude, 
Mike Dixon, and Stevie--are supporting the male candidate in this election. Not 
all of them, however, have the stones to acknowledge it.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Okay, I did a very quick skim.  So, as I understand it, the purpose of the vp 
debate was to disregard making Kaine look potentially presidential, but rather 
trot him out as monkey programmed to elicit phrases from his opponent to be 
used in campaign ads. 

 Hey, if that sounds like a good strategy to to you, go for it.  I go for a 
little more honesty in my candidates. You know, how Hillary says she likes to 
take the high road, even when her opponents do not?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Heh heh. Read this, then come back after you've wiped the egg off your face: 

 Clinton debate prep is focused on what happens once the debate is done 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 
 
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 
 Clinton debate prep is focused on what happens once the ... 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 After the Kaine-Pence tilt, the Democrat’s campaign again came out firing with 
videos, ads and tweets attacking Trump.


 
 View on www.washingtonpost... 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

   
 

 

 

 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Absolutely right.  I am focussed on winning.  And the consensus was that Kaine 
lost the debate. 

 Now, you may or may not be correct that the Clinton team was not focussed on 
winning the debate, but rather trying to coax out choice sound bites to use for 
future ads, even if it was the expense of their candidate looking as if he was 
in control.
 

 But you are such an outlier that you will engage in your usual bob and weave, 
pretzel this way and that to try to prove some point.
 

 Oh, and something about "very, very very clever strategies".  They often don't 
turn out to be very clever. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This is too subtle, it seems, for some folks here to grasp. They're fixated on 
"winning" and "losing" as if the debate were a football game. 

 Kaine did just what he was supposed to do, and did it superbly: throw one 
Trump stupidity after another at Pence, leaving him no options but to falsely 
deny them or simply avoid defending them. All captured on tape to be used as 
the basis for Clinton ads, along with clips documenting the stupidities Pence 
was unable to engage with. Very, very clever strategy. Her campaign can count 
on Trump cooperating because he's so vulnerable to being manipulated.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 (snip)
 
 as we now all know in the aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was 
totally planned by the Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video 
clips for their expose spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing 
the entire time.
 

 (snip)
 

 








 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

You are an outlier, Judy, with more in common with someone like Rudolf 
Giuliani, than with anyone who has a tad of credibility. 

 You utilize the same bag of tricks employed by Rudy or Sean or some of the 
others.
 

 A superficial friend to those with whom you have a common objective and a 
garden variety partisan to most everyone else.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Poor Stevie-poo. 

 It's really amazing, but he keeps missing what's right under his nose: The 
Clinton campaign is about *winning the election*. If that means "losing" the 
vice-presidential debate (which is completely subjective anyway, unlike the 
election), it's very well worth it.
 

 There was, of course, not a thing "dishonest" about the Clinton debate 
strategy. As I already said, Pence was free to debate all he wanted. He chose 
not to debate the points Kaine brought up.
 

 Stevie thinks "looking presidential" in the vice-presidential debate is more 
important than winning the election.
 

 I told you folks before, the men here (Ollie excluded)--Bhairitu, yogi_dude, 
Mike Dixon, and Stevie--are supporting the male candidate in this election. Not 
all of them, however, have the stones to acknowledge it.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Okay, I did a very quick skim.  So, as I understand it, the purpose of the vp 
debate was to disregard making Kaine look potentially presidential, but rather 
trot him out as monkey programmed to elicit phrases from his opponent to be 
used in campaign ads. 

 Hey, if that sounds like a good strategy to to you, go for it.  I go for a 
little more honesty in my candidates. You know, how Hillary says she likes to 
take the high road, even when her opponents do not?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Heh heh. Read this, then come back after you've wiped the egg off your face: 

 Clinton debate prep is focused on what happens once the debate is done 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 
 
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 
 Clinton debate prep is focused on what happens once the ... 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 After the Kaine-Pence tilt, the Democrat’s campaign again came out firing with 
videos, ads and tweets attacking Trump.


 
 View on www.washingtonpost... 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

   
 

 

 

 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Absolutely right.  I am focussed on winning.  And the consensus was that Kaine 
lost the debate. 

 Now, you may or may not be correct that the Clinton team was not focussed on 
winning the debate, but rather trying to coax out choice sound bites to use for 
future ads, even if it was the expense of their candidate looking as if he was 
in control.
 

 But you are such an outlier that you will engage in your usual bob and weave, 
pretzel this way and that to try to prove some point.
 

 Oh, and something about "very, very very clever strategies".  They often don't 
turn out to be very clever. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This is too subtle, it seems, for some folks here to grasp. They're fixated on 
"winning" and "losing" as if the debate were a football game. 

 Kaine did just what he was supposed to do, and did it superbly: throw one 
Trump stupidity after another at Pence, leaving him no options but to falsely 
deny them or simply avoid defending them. All captured on tape to be used as 
the basis for Clinton ads, along with clips documenting the stupidities Pence 
was unable to engage with. Very, very clever strategy. Her campaign can count 
on Trump cooperating because he's so vulnerable to being manipulated.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 (snip)
 
 as we now all know in the aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was 
totally planned by the Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video 
clips for their expose spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing 
the entire time.
 

 (snip)
 

 








 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

For some strange reason, anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. will not tell the truth if 
he can possibly help it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, she will never admit that she is wrong about 
something, whether it's the steps in the Sun Salutation or that Bill Clinton 
signed into law bank deregulation. Go figure.
 

 Who won the debate? 
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/05/opinions/pence-kaine-debate-reaction-roundup/ 
 
 http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/05/opinions/pence-kaine-debate-reaction-roundup/
 
 Who won the debate? 
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/05/opinions/pence-kaine-debate-reaction-roundup/ CNN 
commentators and guest analysts offer their take on Tuesday night's vice 
presidential candidate debate.


 
 View on www.cnn.com 
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/05/opinions/pence-kaine-debate-reaction-roundup/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I guess it's no surprise to see you quoting Charlie Sheen approvingly. You 
could also have quoted Vince Lombardi: "Winning isn't everything; it's the only 
thing." I'm sure Trump agrees.
 

So what was the score, Stevie-poo? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Right, and losing the debate in the process. 

 Like Charlie Sheen says, and which is on target.
 

 "Winning.  Duh"
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nonsense. Pence was free to debate the issues as Kaine brought them up, but 
all he could manage was to falsely deny their very existence or just ignore 
them entirely. That's what the Clinton campaign anticipated he'd do, and they 
were right. They'd be crazy not to make hay out of it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As I said, I did not watch the debate, so was limited to the clips and the 
post debate commentary which seemed to give the "win" to Pence.  However, if, 
as you speculate, the purpose of the debate on the Clinton side was "capture  
sound bites" and not really debate the issues, well that sounds pretty strange 
in itself, and I guess, sorta proves my point. 

 Bring out Kaine with a different agenda than to debate, but rather try to make 
the opponent make statements for fodder in future campaign ads.
 

 And again, if that is the case, then I would have preferred to see a more 
honest debate, than one with that ulterior motive.
 

 But also, according to your analysis below, the reason Pence DID appear to 
come out the winner was because he WAS himself, with all the lies and 
misrepresentations.  He evidently is comfortable with that, and that came 
across.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 

 I totally disagree with the 'pundits' on who "won" the debate. The only person 
out there who told the truth and who had hard facts at his disposal (like 
direct Trump and Pence quotes) was Kaine. He came off a bit awkward at first 
firing accusations (timing wasn't great) but he got into the rhythm of the 
thing as the debate went on and was reasonably formidable in his take down or, 
at least, his confrontation of Pence concerning Trump and his ugly and ignorant 
rhetoric. I thought Kaine's statement on women having the right to determine 
what they do with their bodies was strong and as we now all know in the 
aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was totally planned by the 
Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video clips for their expose 
spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing the entire time. Just 
because Pence can sit there like some robotic cadaver and speak in this 
placating kind of marmish tone does not a debate winner make. I can't figure 
out why this qualifies as making him the winner. He couldn't defend Trump 
except to shake his head and priss his lips or outright lie. That is hardly a 
strong defense of his running mate.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Poor Stevie-poo. 

 It's really amazing, but he keeps missing what's right under his nose: The 
Clinton campaign is about *winning the election*. If that means "losing" the 
vice-presidential debate (which is completely subjective anyway, unlike the 
election), it's very well worth it.
 

 There was, of course, not a thing "dishonest" about the Clinton debate 
strategy. As I already said, Pence was free to debate all he wanted. He chose 
not to debate the points Kaine brought up.
 

 Stevie thinks "looking presidential" in the vice-presidential debate is more 
important than winning the election.
 

 I told you folks before, the men here (Ollie excluded)--Bhairitu, yogi_dude, 
Mike Dixon, and Stevie--are supporting the male candidate in this election. Not 
all of them, however, have the stones to acknowledge it.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Okay, I did a very quick skim.  So, as I understand it, the purpose of the vp 
debate was to disregard making Kaine look potentially presidential, but rather 
trot him out as monkey programmed to elicit phrases from his opponent to be 
used in campaign ads. 

 Hey, if that sounds like a good strategy to to you, go for it.  I go for a 
little more honesty in my candidates. You know, how Hillary says she likes to 
take the high road, even when her opponents do not?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Heh heh. Read this, then come back after you've wiped the egg off your face: 

 Clinton debate prep is focused on what happens once the debate is done 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 
 
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 
 Clinton debate prep is focused on what happens once the ... 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 After the Kaine-Pence tilt, the Democrat’s campaign again came out firing with 
videos, ads and tweets attacking Trump.


 
 View on www.washingtonpost... 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

   
 

 

 

 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Absolutely right.  I am focussed on winning.  And the consensus was that Kaine 
lost the debate. 

 Now, you may or may not be correct that the Clinton team was not focussed on 
winning the debate, but rather trying to coax out choice sound bites to use for 
future ads, even if it was the expense of their candidate looking as if he was 
in control.
 

 But you are such an outlier that you will engage in your usual bob and weave, 
pretzel this way and that to try to prove some point.
 

 Oh, and something about "very, very very clever strategies".  They often don't 
turn out to be very clever. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This is too subtle, it seems, for some folks here to grasp. They're fixated on 
"winning" and "losing" as if the debate were a football game. 

 Kaine did just what he was supposed to do, and did it superbly: throw one 
Trump stupidity after another at Pence, leaving him no options but to falsely 
deny them or simply avoid defending them. All captured on tape to be used as 
the basis for Clinton ads, along with clips documenting the stupidities Pence 
was unable to engage with. Very, very clever strategy. Her campaign can count 
on Trump cooperating because he's so vulnerable to being manipulated.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 (snip)
 
 as we now all know in the aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was 
totally planned by the Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video 
clips for their expose spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing 
the entire time.
 

 (snip)
 

 








 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[anon_alias]

For some strange reason, she will never admit that she is wrong about 
something, whether it's the steps in the Sun Salutation or that Bill Clinton 
signed into law bank deregulation. Go figure.
 

 Who won the debate? 
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/05/opinions/pence-kaine-debate-reaction-roundup/ 
 
 http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/05/opinions/pence-kaine-debate-reaction-roundup/ 
 
 Who won the debate? 
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/05/opinions/pence-kaine-debate-reaction-roundup/ CNN 
commentators and guest analysts offer their take on Tuesday night's vice 
presidential candidate debate.
 
 
 
 View on www.cnn.com 
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/05/opinions/pence-kaine-debate-reaction-roundup/ 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I guess it's no surprise to see you quoting Charlie Sheen approvingly. You 
could also have quoted Vince Lombardi: "Winning isn't everything; it's the only 
thing." I'm sure Trump agrees.
 

So what was the score, Stevie-poo? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Right, and losing the debate in the process. 

 Like Charlie Sheen says, and which is on target.
 

 "Winning.  Duh"
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nonsense. Pence was free to debate the issues as Kaine brought them up, but 
all he could manage was to falsely deny their very existence or just ignore 
them entirely. That's what the Clinton campaign anticipated he'd do, and they 
were right. They'd be crazy not to make hay out of it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As I said, I did not watch the debate, so was limited to the clips and the 
post debate commentary which seemed to give the "win" to Pence.  However, if, 
as you speculate, the purpose of the debate on the Clinton side was "capture  
sound bites" and not really debate the issues, well that sounds pretty strange 
in itself, and I guess, sorta proves my point. 

 Bring out Kaine with a different agenda than to debate, but rather try to make 
the opponent make statements for fodder in future campaign ads.
 

 And again, if that is the case, then I would have preferred to see a more 
honest debate, than one with that ulterior motive.
 

 But also, according to your analysis below, the reason Pence DID appear to 
come out the winner was because he WAS himself, with all the lies and 
misrepresentations.  He evidently is comfortable with that, and that came 
across.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 

 I totally disagree with the 'pundits' on who "won" the debate. The only person 
out there who told the truth and who had hard facts at his disposal (like 
direct Trump and Pence quotes) was Kaine. He came off a bit awkward at first 
firing accusations (timing wasn't great) but he got into the rhythm of the 
thing as the debate went on and was reasonably formidable in his take down or, 
at least, his confrontation of Pence concerning Trump and his ugly and ignorant 
rhetoric. I thought Kaine's statement on women having the right to determine 
what they do with their bodies was strong and as we now all know in the 
aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was totally planned by the 
Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video clips for their expose 
spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing the entire time. Just 
because Pence can sit there like some robotic cadaver and speak in this 
placating kind of marmish tone does not a debate winner make. I can't figure 
out why this qualifies as making him the winner. He couldn't defend Trump 
except to shake his head and priss his lips or outright lie. That is hardly a 
strong defense of his running mate.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual atte

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I guess it's no surprise to see you quoting Charlie Sheen approvingly. You 
could also have quoted Vince Lombardi: "Winning isn't everything; it's the only 
thing." I'm sure Trump agrees.
 

So what was the score, Stevie-poo? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Right, and losing the debate in the process. 

 Like Charlie Sheen says, and which is on target.
 

 "Winning.  Duh"
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nonsense. Pence was free to debate the issues as Kaine brought them up, but 
all he could manage was to falsely deny their very existence or just ignore 
them entirely. That's what the Clinton campaign anticipated he'd do, and they 
were right. They'd be crazy not to make hay out of it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As I said, I did not watch the debate, so was limited to the clips and the 
post debate commentary which seemed to give the "win" to Pence.  However, if, 
as you speculate, the purpose of the debate on the Clinton side was "capture  
sound bites" and not really debate the issues, well that sounds pretty strange 
in itself, and I guess, sorta proves my point. 

 Bring out Kaine with a different agenda than to debate, but rather try to make 
the opponent make statements for fodder in future campaign ads.
 

 And again, if that is the case, then I would have preferred to see a more 
honest debate, than one with that ulterior motive.
 

 But also, according to your analysis below, the reason Pence DID appear to 
come out the winner was because he WAS himself, with all the lies and 
misrepresentations.  He evidently is comfortable with that, and that came 
across.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 

 I totally disagree with the 'pundits' on who "won" the debate. The only person 
out there who told the truth and who had hard facts at his disposal (like 
direct Trump and Pence quotes) was Kaine. He came off a bit awkward at first 
firing accusations (timing wasn't great) but he got into the rhythm of the 
thing as the debate went on and was reasonably formidable in his take down or, 
at least, his confrontation of Pence concerning Trump and his ugly and ignorant 
rhetoric. I thought Kaine's statement on women having the right to determine 
what they do with their bodies was strong and as we now all know in the 
aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was totally planned by the 
Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video clips for their expose 
spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing the entire time. Just 
because Pence can sit there like some robotic cadaver and speak in this 
placating kind of marmish tone does not a debate winner make. I can't figure 
out why this qualifies as making him the winner. He couldn't defend Trump 
except to shake his head and priss his lips or outright lie. That is hardly a 
strong defense of his running mate.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
these candidates with every fiber of their being.
 

 Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
understanding 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Okay, I did a very quick skim.  So, as I understand it, the purpose of the vp 
debate was to disregard making Kaine look potentially presidential, but rather 
trot him out as monkey programmed to elicit phrases from his opponent to be 
used in campaign ads. 

 Hey, if that sounds like a good strategy to to you, go for it.  I go for a 
little more honesty in my candidates. You know, how Hillary says she likes to 
take the high road, even when her opponents do not?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Heh heh. Read this, then come back after you've wiped the egg off your face: 

 Clinton debate prep is focused on what happens once the debate is done 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 
 
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 
 Clinton debate prep is focused on what happens once the ... 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 After the Kaine-Pence tilt, the Democrat’s campaign again came out firing with 
videos, ads and tweets attacking Trump.


 
 View on www.washingtonpost... 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

   
 

 

 

 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Absolutely right.  I am focussed on winning.  And the consensus was that Kaine 
lost the debate. 

 Now, you may or may not be correct that the Clinton team was not focussed on 
winning the debate, but rather trying to coax out choice sound bites to use for 
future ads, even if it was the expense of their candidate looking as if he was 
in control.
 

 But you are such an outlier that you will engage in your usual bob and weave, 
pretzel this way and that to try to prove some point.
 

 Oh, and something about "very, very very clever strategies".  They often don't 
turn out to be very clever. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This is too subtle, it seems, for some folks here to grasp. They're fixated on 
"winning" and "losing" as if the debate were a football game. 

 Kaine did just what he was supposed to do, and did it superbly: throw one 
Trump stupidity after another at Pence, leaving him no options but to falsely 
deny them or simply avoid defending them. All captured on tape to be used as 
the basis for Clinton ads, along with clips documenting the stupidities Pence 
was unable to engage with. Very, very clever strategy. Her campaign can count 
on Trump cooperating because he's so vulnerable to being manipulated.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 (snip)
 
 as we now all know in the aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was 
totally planned by the Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video 
clips for their expose spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing 
the entire time.
 

 (snip)
 

 








 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I guess it's no surprise to see you quoting Charlie Sheen approvingly. You 
could also have quoted Vince Lombardi: "Winning isn't everything; it's the only 
thing." I'm sure Trump agrees.
 

So what was the score, Stevie-poo? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Right, and losing the debate in the process. 

 Like Charlie Sheen says, and which is on target.
 

 "Winning.  Duh"
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nonsense. Pence was free to debate the issues as Kaine brought them up, but 
all he could manage was to falsely deny their very existence or just ignore 
them entirely. That's what the Clinton campaign anticipated he'd do, and they 
were right. They'd be crazy not to make hay out of it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As I said, I did not watch the debate, so was limited to the clips and the 
post debate commentary which seemed to give the "win" to Pence.  However, if, 
as you speculate, the purpose of the debate on the Clinton side was "capture  
sound bites" and not really debate the issues, well that sounds pretty strange 
in itself, and I guess, sorta proves my point. 

 Bring out Kaine with a different agenda than to debate, but rather try to make 
the opponent make statements for fodder in future campaign ads.
 

 And again, if that is the case, then I would have preferred to see a more 
honest debate, than one with that ulterior motive.
 

 But also, according to your analysis below, the reason Pence DID appear to 
come out the winner was because he WAS himself, with all the lies and 
misrepresentations.  He evidently is comfortable with that, and that came 
across.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 

 I totally disagree with the 'pundits' on who "won" the debate. The only person 
out there who told the truth and who had hard facts at his disposal (like 
direct Trump and Pence quotes) was Kaine. He came off a bit awkward at first 
firing accusations (timing wasn't great) but he got into the rhythm of the 
thing as the debate went on and was reasonably formidable in his take down or, 
at least, his confrontation of Pence concerning Trump and his ugly and ignorant 
rhetoric. I thought Kaine's statement on women having the right to determine 
what they do with their bodies was strong and as we now all know in the 
aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was totally planned by the 
Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video clips for their expose 
spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing the entire time. Just 
because Pence can sit there like some robotic cadaver and speak in this 
placating kind of marmish tone does not a debate winner make. I can't figure 
out why this qualifies as making him the winner. He couldn't defend Trump 
except to shake his head and priss his lips or outright lie. That is hardly a 
strong defense of his running mate.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
these candidates with every fiber of their being.
 

 Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it is a 
frightening and sickening to behold. My absentee ballot is sitting to the right 
of me on my desk ready to be mailed and, believe me, it is for Hillary/Kaine - 
my only regret is my one vote can't

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Heh heh. Read this, then come back after you've wiped the egg off your face: 

 Clinton debate prep is focused on what happens once the debate is done 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 
 
 
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 Clinton debate prep is focused on what happens once the ... 
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 After the Kaine-Pence tilt, the Democrat’s campaign again came out firing with 
videos, ads and tweets attacking Trump.
 
 
 
 View on www.washingtonpost... 
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 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Absolutely right.  I am focussed on winning.  And the consensus was that Kaine 
lost the debate. 

 Now, you may or may not be correct that the Clinton team was not focussed on 
winning the debate, but rather trying to coax out choice sound bites to use for 
future ads, even if it was the expense of their candidate looking as if he was 
in control.
 

 But you are such an outlier that you will engage in your usual bob and weave, 
pretzel this way and that to try to prove some point.
 

 Oh, and something about "very, very very clever strategies".  They often don't 
turn out to be very clever. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This is too subtle, it seems, for some folks here to grasp. They're fixated on 
"winning" and "losing" as if the debate were a football game. 

 Kaine did just what he was supposed to do, and did it superbly: throw one 
Trump stupidity after another at Pence, leaving him no options but to falsely 
deny them or simply avoid defending them. All captured on tape to be used as 
the basis for Clinton ads, along with clips documenting the stupidities Pence 
was unable to engage with. Very, very clever strategy. Her campaign can count 
on Trump cooperating because he's so vulnerable to being manipulated.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 (snip)
 
 as we now all know in the aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was 
totally planned by the Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video 
clips for their expose spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing 
the entire time.
 

 (snip)
 

 








 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

All that may be true, and I don't disagree with any of it, but it appeared to 
most watchers, or at least most pundits that he did not win the debate. 

 Hillary on the other hand seemed poised* when she debated Trump and the 
results speak for themselves.
 

 *of course she prepared arduously.  but at the risk of sounding like a bliss 
ninny, she appeared to be herself, and not operating with an ulterior agenda, 
which if you buy the scenario put forth by Ann and Judy was the plan with 
Kaine. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Kaine's performance wasn't all scripted. What I saw was someone who cares 
deeply for his country, and has great respect and trust in the candidate who 
has chosen him as running mate. I saw him genuinely a little pissed off at the 
constant lies and rhetoric leveled at Clinton, by Trump, someone with no 
experience except in running his mouth. Pence has essentially made a deal with 
the devil. He enjoys his little perch, preaching to the masses, and riding 
around in limos. Reminds me of an organ grinder's monkey. He hopes to 
capitalize on it, and continue giving the country away to his rich friends, 
safe in his "messiah's" shadow, while castigating those who do not pay 
obeisance to his biblical hallucinations. What a phony, creepy, fake, with 
those deep set beady little eyes darting around. He and Trump are the very 
worst this country has to offer, and anyone can see through this toxic couple, 
like the con-artists they are.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As I said, I did not watch the debate, so was limited to the clips and the 
post debate commentary which seemed to give the "win" to Pence.  However, if, 
as you speculate, the purpose of the debate on the Clinton side was "capture  
sound bites" and not really debate the issues, well that sounds pretty strange 
in itself, and I guess, sorta proves my point. 

 Bring out Kaine with a different agenda than to debate, but rather try to make 
the opponent make statements for fodder in future campaign ads.
 

 And again, if that is the case, then I would have preferred to see a more 
honest debate, than one with that ulterior motive.
 

 But also, according to your analysis below, the reason Pence DID appear to 
come out the winner was because he WAS himself, with all the lies and 
misrepresentations.  He evidently is comfortable with that, and that came 
across.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 

 I totally disagree with the 'pundits' on who "won" the debate. The only person 
out there who told the truth and who had hard facts at his disposal (like 
direct Trump and Pence quotes) was Kaine. He came off a bit awkward at first 
firing accusations (timing wasn't great) but he got into the rhythm of the 
thing as the debate went on and was reasonably formidable in his take down or, 
at least, his confrontation of Pence concerning Trump and his ugly and ignorant 
rhetoric. I thought Kaine's statement on women having the right to determine 
what they do with their bodies was strong and as we now all know in the 
aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was totally planned by the 
Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video clips for their expose 
spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing the entire time. Just 
because Pence can sit there like some robotic cadaver and speak in this 
placating kind of marmish tone does not a debate winner make. I can't figure 
out why this qualifies as making him the winner. He couldn't defend Trump 
except to shake his head and priss his lips or outright lie. That is hardly a 
strong defense of his running mate.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 For those uncertain as

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Right, and losing the debate in the process. 

 Like Charlie Sheen says, and which is on target.
 

 "Winning.  Duh"
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nonsense. Pence was free to debate the issues as Kaine brought them up, but 
all he could manage was to falsely deny their very existence or just ignore 
them entirely. That's what the Clinton campaign anticipated he'd do, and they 
were right. They'd be crazy not to make hay out of it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As I said, I did not watch the debate, so was limited to the clips and the 
post debate commentary which seemed to give the "win" to Pence.  However, if, 
as you speculate, the purpose of the debate on the Clinton side was "capture  
sound bites" and not really debate the issues, well that sounds pretty strange 
in itself, and I guess, sorta proves my point. 

 Bring out Kaine with a different agenda than to debate, but rather try to make 
the opponent make statements for fodder in future campaign ads.
 

 And again, if that is the case, then I would have preferred to see a more 
honest debate, than one with that ulterior motive.
 

 But also, according to your analysis below, the reason Pence DID appear to 
come out the winner was because he WAS himself, with all the lies and 
misrepresentations.  He evidently is comfortable with that, and that came 
across.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 

 I totally disagree with the 'pundits' on who "won" the debate. The only person 
out there who told the truth and who had hard facts at his disposal (like 
direct Trump and Pence quotes) was Kaine. He came off a bit awkward at first 
firing accusations (timing wasn't great) but he got into the rhythm of the 
thing as the debate went on and was reasonably formidable in his take down or, 
at least, his confrontation of Pence concerning Trump and his ugly and ignorant 
rhetoric. I thought Kaine's statement on women having the right to determine 
what they do with their bodies was strong and as we now all know in the 
aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was totally planned by the 
Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video clips for their expose 
spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing the entire time. Just 
because Pence can sit there like some robotic cadaver and speak in this 
placating kind of marmish tone does not a debate winner make. I can't figure 
out why this qualifies as making him the winner. He couldn't defend Trump 
except to shake his head and priss his lips or outright lie. That is hardly a 
strong defense of his running mate.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
these candidates with every fiber of their being.
 

 Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it is a 
frightening and sickening to behold. My absentee ballot is sitting to the right 
of me on my desk ready to be mailed and, believe me, it is for Hillary/Kaine - 
my only regret is my one vote can't be counted as one million.




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Absolutely right.  I am focussed on winning.  And the consensus was that Kaine 
lost the debate. 

 Now, you may or may not be correct that the Clinton team was not focussed on 
winning the debate, but rather trying to coax out choice sound bites to use for 
future ads, even if it was the expense of their candidate looking as if he was 
in control.
 

 But you are such an outlier that you will engage in your usual bob and weave, 
pretzel this way and that to try to prove some point.
 

 Oh, and something about "very, very very clever strategies".  They often don't 
turn out to be very clever. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This is too subtle, it seems, for some folks here to grasp. They're fixated on 
"winning" and "losing" as if the debate were a football game. 

 Kaine did just what he was supposed to do, and did it superbly: throw one 
Trump stupidity after another at Pence, leaving him no options but to falsely 
deny them or simply avoid defending them. All captured on tape to be used as 
the basis for Clinton ads, along with clips documenting the stupidities Pence 
was unable to engage with. Very, very clever strategy. Her campaign can count 
on Trump cooperating because he's so vulnerable to being manipulated.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 (snip)
 
 as we now all know in the aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was 
totally planned by the Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video 
clips for their expose spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing 
the entire time.
 

 (snip)
 

 








 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As I said, I did not watch the debate, so was limited to the clips and the 
post debate commentary which seemed to give the "win" to Pence.  However, if, 
as you speculate, the purpose of the debate on the Clinton side was "capture  
sound bites" and not really debate the issues, well that sounds pretty strange 
in itself, and I guess, sorta proves my point. 

 Bring out Kaine with a different agenda than to debate, but rather try to make 
the opponent make statements for fodder in future campaign ads.
 

 And again, if that is the case, then I would have preferred to see a more 
honest debate, than one with that ulterior motive.
 

 I'm not saying that the whole debate was to create a 'set up' for a later 
video clip illustrating the lying nature of the Trump campaign but what I am 
saying is that the Clinton campaign left no stone unturned with regard to 
trying to get the most mileage out of the debate by planning to use what they 
felt would be predictable rebuttals/lies/non-responses from Pence to Kaine's 
assertions about what drivel Trump had spewed previously. You might as well use 
the debate as best you can to further your agenda if you're Clinton - or any 
candidate for that matter. 
 

 But also, according to your analysis below, the reason Pence DID appear to 
come out the winner was because he WAS himself, with all the lies and 
misrepresentations.  He evidently is comfortable with that, and that came 
across.
 

 I wonder how many nights Pence lies awake wondering how he got himself hitched 
with such a monster. If Pence really is the man he thinks himself to be 
(religious, zealous, decent and conservative) then how can he live with 
himself? 
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 

 I totally disagree with the 'pundits' on who "won" the debate. The only person 
out there who told the truth and who had hard facts at his disposal (like 
direct Trump and Pence quotes) was Kaine. He came off a bit awkward at first 
firing accusations (timing wasn't great) but he got into the rhythm of the 
thing as the debate went on and was reasonably formidable in his take down or, 
at least, his confrontation of Pence concerning Trump and his ugly and ignorant 
rhetoric. I thought Kaine's statement on women having the right to determine 
what they do with their bodies was strong and as we now all know in the 
aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was totally planned by the 
Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video clips for their expose 
spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing the entire time. Just 
because Pence can sit there like some robotic cadaver and speak in this 
placating kind of marmish tone does not a debate winner make. I can't figure 
out why this qualifies as making him the winner. He couldn't defend Trump 
except to shake his head and priss his lips or outright lie. That is hardly a 
strong defense of his running mate.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
these candidates with every fiber of their being.
 

 Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it is a 
frightening and sickening to behold. My absentee ballot is sitting to the right 
of me on my desk ready to be mailed and, be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Nonsense. Pence was free to debate the issues as Kaine brought them up, but all 
he could manage was to falsely deny their very existence or just ignore them 
entirely. That's what the Clinton campaign anticipated he'd do, and they were 
right. They'd be crazy not to make hay out of it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As I said, I did not watch the debate, so was limited to the clips and the 
post debate commentary which seemed to give the "win" to Pence.  However, if, 
as you speculate, the purpose of the debate on the Clinton side was "capture  
sound bites" and not really debate the issues, well that sounds pretty strange 
in itself, and I guess, sorta proves my point. 

 Bring out Kaine with a different agenda than to debate, but rather try to make 
the opponent make statements for fodder in future campaign ads.
 

 And again, if that is the case, then I would have preferred to see a more 
honest debate, than one with that ulterior motive.
 

 But also, according to your analysis below, the reason Pence DID appear to 
come out the winner was because he WAS himself, with all the lies and 
misrepresentations.  He evidently is comfortable with that, and that came 
across.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 

 I totally disagree with the 'pundits' on who "won" the debate. The only person 
out there who told the truth and who had hard facts at his disposal (like 
direct Trump and Pence quotes) was Kaine. He came off a bit awkward at first 
firing accusations (timing wasn't great) but he got into the rhythm of the 
thing as the debate went on and was reasonably formidable in his take down or, 
at least, his confrontation of Pence concerning Trump and his ugly and ignorant 
rhetoric. I thought Kaine's statement on women having the right to determine 
what they do with their bodies was strong and as we now all know in the 
aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was totally planned by the 
Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video clips for their expose 
spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing the entire time. Just 
because Pence can sit there like some robotic cadaver and speak in this 
placating kind of marmish tone does not a debate winner make. I can't figure 
out why this qualifies as making him the winner. He couldn't defend Trump 
except to shake his head and priss his lips or outright lie. That is hardly a 
strong defense of his running mate.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
these candidates with every fiber of their being.
 

 Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it is a 
frightening and sickening to behold. My absentee ballot is sitting to the right 
of me on my desk ready to be mailed and, believe me, it is for Hillary/Kaine - 
my only regret is my one vote can't be counted as one million.




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Kaine's performance wasn't all scripted. What I saw was someone who cares 
deeply for his country, and has great respect and trust in the candidate who 
has chosen him as running mate. I saw him genuinely a little pissed off at the 
constant lies and rhetoric leveled at Clinton, by Trump, someone with no 
experience except in running his mouth. Pence has essentially made a deal with 
the devil. He enjoys his little perch, preaching to the masses, and riding 
around in limos. Reminds me of an organ grinder's monkey. He hopes to 
capitalize on it, and continue giving the country away to his rich friends, 
safe in his "messiah's" shadow, while castigating those who do not pay 
obeisance to his biblical hallucinations. What a phony, creepy, fake, with 
those deep set beady little eyes darting around. He and Trump are the very 
worst this country has to offer, and anyone can see through this toxic couple, 
like the con-artists they are.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As I said, I did not watch the debate, so was limited to the clips and the 
post debate commentary which seemed to give the "win" to Pence.  However, if, 
as you speculate, the purpose of the debate on the Clinton side was "capture  
sound bites" and not really debate the issues, well that sounds pretty strange 
in itself, and I guess, sorta proves my point. 

 Bring out Kaine with a different agenda than to debate, but rather try to make 
the opponent make statements for fodder in future campaign ads.
 

 And again, if that is the case, then I would have preferred to see a more 
honest debate, than one with that ulterior motive.
 

 But also, according to your analysis below, the reason Pence DID appear to 
come out the winner was because he WAS himself, with all the lies and 
misrepresentations.  He evidently is comfortable with that, and that came 
across.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 

 I totally disagree with the 'pundits' on who "won" the debate. The only person 
out there who told the truth and who had hard facts at his disposal (like 
direct Trump and Pence quotes) was Kaine. He came off a bit awkward at first 
firing accusations (timing wasn't great) but he got into the rhythm of the 
thing as the debate went on and was reasonably formidable in his take down or, 
at least, his confrontation of Pence concerning Trump and his ugly and ignorant 
rhetoric. I thought Kaine's statement on women having the right to determine 
what they do with their bodies was strong and as we now all know in the 
aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was totally planned by the 
Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video clips for their expose 
spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing the entire time. Just 
because Pence can sit there like some robotic cadaver and speak in this 
placating kind of marmish tone does not a debate winner make. I can't figure 
out why this qualifies as making him the winner. He couldn't defend Trump 
except to shake his head and priss his lips or outright lie. That is hardly a 
strong defense of his running mate.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
these candidates with every fiber of their being.
 

 Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

This is too subtle, it seems, for some folks here to grasp. They're fixated on 
"winning" and "losing" as if the debate were a football game. 

 Kaine did just what he was supposed to do, and did it superbly: throw one 
Trump stupidity after another at Pence, leaving him no options but to falsely 
deny them or simply avoid defending them. All captured on tape to be used as 
the basis for Clinton ads, along with clips documenting the stupidities Pence 
was unable to engage with. Very, very clever strategy. Her campaign can count 
on Trump cooperating because he's so vulnerable to being manipulated.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 (snip)
 
 as we now all know in the aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was 
totally planned by the Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video 
clips for their expose spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing 
the entire time.
 

 (snip)
 

 








 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

As I said, I did not watch the debate, so was limited to the clips and the post 
debate commentary which seemed to give the "win" to Pence.  However, if, as you 
speculate, the purpose of the debate on the Clinton side was "capture  sound 
bites" and not really debate the issues, well that sounds pretty strange in 
itself, and I guess, sorta proves my point. 

 Bring out Kaine with a different agenda than to debate, but rather try to make 
the opponent make statements for fodder in future campaign ads.
 

 And again, if that is the case, then I would have preferred to see a more 
honest debate, than one with that ulterior motive.
 

 But also, according to your analysis below, the reason Pence DID appear to 
come out the winner was because he WAS himself, with all the lies and 
misrepresentations.  He evidently is comfortable with that, and that came 
across.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 

 I totally disagree with the 'pundits' on who "won" the debate. The only person 
out there who told the truth and who had hard facts at his disposal (like 
direct Trump and Pence quotes) was Kaine. He came off a bit awkward at first 
firing accusations (timing wasn't great) but he got into the rhythm of the 
thing as the debate went on and was reasonably formidable in his take down or, 
at least, his confrontation of Pence concerning Trump and his ugly and ignorant 
rhetoric. I thought Kaine's statement on women having the right to determine 
what they do with their bodies was strong and as we now all know in the 
aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was totally planned by the 
Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video clips for their expose 
spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing the entire time. Just 
because Pence can sit there like some robotic cadaver and speak in this 
placating kind of marmish tone does not a debate winner make. I can't figure 
out why this qualifies as making him the winner. He couldn't defend Trump 
except to shake his head and priss his lips or outright lie. That is hardly a 
strong defense of his running mate.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
these candidates with every fiber of their being.
 

 Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it is a 
frightening and sickening to behold. My absentee ballot is sitting to the right 
of me on my desk ready to be mailed and, believe me, it is for Hillary/Kaine - 
my only regret is my one vote can't be counted as one million.




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[anon_alias]

"Every single time Pence started to level an attack against Hillary Clinton, 
Kaine immediately began to talk over him. I'm not sure if that was on purpose 
or not, but it didn't come across well — at all."
 

 Winners and losers from the vice-presidential debate 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/04/winners-and-losers-from-the-vice-presidential-debate/
 
 
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/04/winners-and-losers-from-the-vice-presidential-debate/
 
 
 Winners and losers from the vice-presidential debate 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/04/winners-and-losers-from-the-vice-presidential-debate/
 The best. Also, the worst.
 
 
 
 View on www.washingtonpos... 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/04/winners-and-losers-from-the-vice-presidential-debate/
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I totally disagree with the 'pundits' on who "won" the debate... 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I did not watch the debate.  I watched only a small "hi-light" reel 
afterwards.  But the impression I got was the the Clinton campaign instructed 
Kaine to "go after Trump. rip him to shreds" which he attempted to do, but 
didn't come off particularly well doing so. 

 I felt, that if they had just let Kaine "be himself", things would have turned 
out better.  We all know the debates run on emotion and appearances, so that 
even if a person is lying, well, that may not actually go against them, in the 
debate at least, and maybe not even after.
 

 But, maybe this idea of "being yourself" is just too naive an idea. On the 
other hand, it often is what works in situations rather than going with 
"formula"
 

 Any thought?
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
these candidates with every fiber of their being.
 

 Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it is a 
frightening and sickening to behold. My absentee ballot is sitting to the right 
of me on my desk ready to be mailed and, believe me, it is for Hillary/Kaine - 
my only regret is my one vote can't be counted as one million.




 







 
  


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[anon_alias]

Thoughts: Kaine was not so good in the debate against Pence Tuesday night. 
 

 Hillary Clinton is WAY overcompensating for Tim Kaine’s poor debate 
performance 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/05/hillary-clinton-is-way-overcompensating-for-tim-kaines-poor-debate-performance/
 
 
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/05/hillary-clinton-is-way-overcompensating-for-tim-kaines-poor-debate-performance/
 
 
 Hillary Clinton is WAY overcompensating for Tim ... 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/05/hillary-clinton-is-way-overcompensating-for-tim-kaines-poor-debate-performance/
 Saying he was amazing doesn't make him amazing.
 
 
 
 View on www.washingtonpos... 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/05/hillary-clinton-is-way-overcompensating-for-tim-kaines-poor-debate-performance/
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I did not watch the debate.  I watched only a small "hi-light" reel 
afterwards.  But the impression I got was the the Clinton campaign instructed 
Kaine to "go after Trump. rip him to shreds" which he attempted to do, but 
didn't come off particularly well doing so. 

 I felt, that if they had just let Kaine "be himself", things would have turned 
out better.  We all know the debates run on emotion and appearances, so that 
even if a person is lying, well, that may not actually go against them, in the 
debate at least, and maybe not even after.
 

 But, maybe this idea of "being yourself" is just too naive an idea. On the 
other hand, it often is what works in situations rather than going with 
"formula"
 

 Any thought?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
these candidates with every fiber of their being.
 

 Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it is a 
frightening and sickening to behold. My absentee ballot is sitting to the right 
of me on my desk ready to be mailed and, believe me, it is for Hillary/Kaine - 
my only regret is my one vote can't be counted as one million.




 






  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I did not watch the debate.  I watched only a small "hi-light" reel 
afterwards.  But the impression I got was the the Clinton campaign instructed 
Kaine to "go after Trump. rip him to shreds" which he attempted to do, but 
didn't come off particularly well doing so. 

 I felt, that if they had just let Kaine "be himself", things would have turned 
out better.  We all know the debates run on emotion and appearances, so that 
even if a person is lying, well, that may not actually go against them, in the 
debate at least, and maybe not even after.
 

 But, maybe this idea of "being yourself" is just too naive an idea. On the 
other hand, it often is what works in situations rather than going with 
"formula"
 

 Any thought?
 

 I totally disagree with the 'pundits' on who "won" the debate. The only person 
out there who told the truth and who had hard facts at his disposal (like 
direct Trump and Pence quotes) was Kaine. He came off a bit awkward at first 
firing accusations (timing wasn't great) but he got into the rhythm of the 
thing as the debate went on and was reasonably formidable in his take down or, 
at least, his confrontation of Pence concerning Trump and his ugly and ignorant 
rhetoric. I thought Kaine's statement on women having the right to determine 
what they do with their bodies was strong and as we now all know in the 
aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was totally planned by the 
Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video clips for their expose 
spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing the entire time. Just 
because Pence can sit there like some robotic cadaver and speak in this 
placating kind of marmish tone does not a debate winner make. I can't figure 
out why this qualifies as making him the winner. He couldn't defend Trump 
except to shake his head and priss his lips or outright lie. That is hardly a 
strong defense of his running mate.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
these candidates with every fiber of their being.
 

 Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it is a 
frightening and sickening to behold. My absentee ballot is sitting to the right 
of me on my desk ready to be mailed and, believe me, it is for Hillary/Kaine - 
my only regret is my one vote can't be counted as one million.




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I did not watch the debate.  I watched only a small "hi-light" reel afterwards. 
 But the impression I got was the the Clinton campaign instructed Kaine to "go 
after Trump. rip him to shreds" which he attempted to do, but didn't come off 
particularly well doing so. 

 I felt, that if they had just let Kaine "be himself", things would have turned 
out better.  We all know the debates run on emotion and appearances, so that 
even if a person is lying, well, that may not actually go against them, in the 
debate at least, and maybe not even after.
 

 But, maybe this idea of "being yourself" is just too naive an idea. On the 
other hand, it often is what works in situations rather than going with 
"formula"
 

 Any thought?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
these candidates with every fiber of their being.
 

 Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it is a 
frightening and sickening to behold. My absentee ballot is sitting to the right 
of me on my desk ready to be mailed and, believe me, it is for Hillary/Kaine - 
my only regret is my one vote can't be counted as one million.




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[anon_alias]

 What I took away from the vice-presidential debate was that Tim Kaine is as 
unlikable as Hillary Clinton. YMMV.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Pense seems "staid" or just what old school conservatives like and liberals 
hate.  Many Trump supporters did not like him being selected as VP.  Obviously 
an olive branch the Grand (way too) Old Party.  A lot of liberals don't like 
Kaine either.
 
 On 10/05/2016 02:13 PM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   Yes, or Smirking Chimp, meet 'Smirking Pimp'...wrapped in the flag, with a 
bible down his shorts.

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:salsunshineiniowa@... wrote :
 
 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.
 
 Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 
 
 I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 
 
 Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:authfriend@... wrote :
 
 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
these candidates with every fiber of their being.
 
 
 Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it is a 
frightening and sickening to behold. My absentee ballot is sitting to the right 
of me on my desk ready to be mailed and, believe me, it is for Hillary/Kaine - 
my only regret is my one vote can't be counted as one million.








 
 

  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

A disgusting person, with a mind like a roach motel. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Pense seems "staid" or just what old school conservatives like and liberals 
hate.  Many Trump supporters did not like him being selected as VP.  Obviously 
an olive branch the Grand (way too) Old Party.  A lot of liberals don't like 
Kaine either.
 
 On 10/05/2016 02:13 PM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   Yes, or Smirking Chimp, meet 'Smirking Pimp'...wrapped in the flag, with a 
bible down his shorts.

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:salsunshineiniowa@... wrote :
 
 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.
 
 Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 
 
 I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 
 
 Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:authfriend@... wrote :
 
 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
these candidates with every fiber of their being.
 
 
 Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it is a 
frightening and sickening to behold. My absentee ballot is sitting to the right 
of me on my desk ready to be mailed and, believe me, it is for Hillary/Kaine - 
my only regret is my one vote can't be counted as one million.








 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Pense seems "staid" or just what old school conservatives like and 
liberals hate.  Many Trump supporters did not like him being selected as 
VP.  Obviously an olive branch the Grand (way too) Old Party.  A lot of 
liberals don't like Kaine either.


On 10/05/2016 02:13 PM, olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Yes, or Smirking Chimp, meet 'Smirking Pimp'...wrapped in the flag, 
with a bible down his shorts.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence 
could easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such 
effortlessness and oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like 
he's some alternate universe or something.


Sal


On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@...
 [FairfieldLife]
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:

There is a delusional element among the religious right, who 
fervently believe that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White 
Hope who will restore righteousness among the wicked. Pence is 
clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, the know-it-all, self-righteous, 
bible-thumping hypocrite.


I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 
'debate' was farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out 
lies, and Kaine refuting them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote 
Republican desperation, and the usual attempt by the only adult in 
the contest to stay in the domain of reality.


Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
,  wrote :





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
,  wrote :


For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's 
concerns as a spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant 
example of spiritual degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and 
sheer recklessness with the welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at 
all spiritually aware should oppose these candidates with every fiber 
of their being.



Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it 
is a frightening and sickening to behold. My absentee ballot is 
sitting to the right of me on my desk ready to be mailed and, believe 
me, it is for Hillary/Kaine - my only regret is my one vote can't be 
counted as one million.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[anon_alias]

G.W. Bush was born in New Haven, Connecticut.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
these candidates with every fiber of their being.
 

 Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it is a 
frightening and sickening to behold. My absentee ballot is sitting to the right 
of me on my desk ready to be mailed and, believe me, it is for Hillary/Kaine - 
my only regret is my one vote can't be counted as one million.




 



  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes, or Smirking Chimp, meet 'Smirking Pimp'...wrapped in the flag, with a 
bible down his shorts.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
these candidates with every fiber of their being.
 

 Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it is a 
frightening and sickening to behold. My absentee ballot is sitting to the right 
of me on my desk ready to be mailed and, believe me, it is for Hillary/Kaine - 
my only regret is my one vote can't be counted as one million.




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[Sal Sunshine salsunshineini...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could easily 
be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and oiliness.  Even 
against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe or something.

Sal 


> On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently 
> believe that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
> righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
> the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 
> 
> I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' 
> was farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine 
> refuting them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, 
> and the usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain 
> of reality. 
> 
> Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
> 
> ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
> 
> For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as 
> a spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
> degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
> welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
> these candidates with every fiber of their being.
> 
> 
> 
> Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
> understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
> mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it is a 
> frightening and sickening to behold. My absentee ballot is sitting to the 
> right of me on my desk ready to be mailed and, believe me, it is for 
> Hillary/Kaine - my only regret is my one vote can't be counted as one million.
> 
> 
> 
>