Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Spirituality?
On Mar 8, 2006, at 9:39 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:IMO, the person who is focused on denying and pushing away the relative is every bit as caught up in it as the person whose life revolves around indulging in it. One of the interesting things in different paths is how they handle things they see as "poison".--in the slower paths, things seen as poison are simply avoided. Rules are made, you listen to them and avoid conflicts of body, of energy and ultimately, mind. The downside is, it is believed this approach will take thousands of lives to reach complete enlightenment! Since all it involves is essentially rules and meditation, it also doesn't require real heart-felt moral development either.--in faster paths we realize everything has it's opposite, so we see the "poison" as an energy which can be transformed via an opposite or antidote. Downside: razors edge kinda path. Full enlightenment in a couple lifetimes or so.--even faster is viewing "the poison" from a non-dual state, free of opposites and polarities: whatever arises self liberates itself, by itself.: everything is just the play of inseparable awareness. Pros: Full enlightenment very fast Cons: non-dual awareness can easily be confused for other states which are similar..02 USD, sorry no refunds :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Spirituality?
So is hypocrisy and self-importance, but that doesn't seem to stop some people. Sal On Mar 8, 2006, at 8:55 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: > The main difference, of course, being that the > ascetic doesn't get to *enjoy* the relative. :-) Enjoyment is counter to *true* spirituality, dontcha know.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Spirituality?
On Mar 8, 2006, at 12:24 PM, sparaig wrote:So what is "similar" to non-dual awareness? Experientially similar. Most people will confuse the integration of the movement of thought with the transcendent along with the integration of sensations (objects as well as physical sensation) with the transcendent as being a non-dual state as it "feels" very whole or total. Don't get me wrong, this is a great thing but it's often not what people think it is. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Spirituality?
I'll mail you my address off list. :-)In this case the "poison" is more metaphorical than actual.On Mar 8, 2006, at 1:39 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- Vaj wrote: --even faster is viewing "the poison" from a non-dual state, free of opposites and polarities: whatever arises self liberates itself, by itself.: everything is just the play of inseparable awareness. How would this apply to, say, dark chocolate? That's my poison these days. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Spirituality?
On Mar 8, 2006, at 2:32 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- Vaj wrote: In this case the "poison" is more metaphorical than actual. Ah. There's physical reality, and there are the beliefs about it. Like that? I'm sorry, I'm not sure I follow you. Are you asking if the metaphor extends to the physical? If so, yes it would.Do you have a predominance of bitter-sweetness in your life you're grappling with? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Spirituality?
On Mar 8, 2006, at 3:31 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 8, 2006, at 12:24 PM, sparaig wrote: So what is "similar" to non-dual awareness? Experientially similar. Most people will confuse the integration of the movement of thought with the transcendent along with the integration of sensations (objects as well as physical sensation) with the transcendent as being a non-dual state as it "feels" very whole or total. Don't get me wrong, this is a great thing but it's often not what people think it is. Seems to me that if you can talk about it, it ain't non-dual... All descriptions are provisional to the state itself and of course you can also describe deviations from the state. The map is not the territory...but nonetheless maps exist.And men always hate to ask for directions. Most men anyways. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Spirituality?
On Mar 8, 2006, at 4:14 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- Vaj wrote: Gillam wrote: --- Vaj wrote: In this case the "poison" is more metaphorical than actual. Ah. There's physical reality, and there are the beliefs about it. Like that? I'm sorry, I'm not sure I follow you. Are you asking if the metaphor extends to the physical? If so, yes it would. I may be lost, too. I was thinking your reference to poison, being metaphorical, means the poison exists in our beliefs about this event or that, and is not inherent to the thing itself. A variation on your emphasis of proper view, if you will.The explanation usually describes a poison (a metaphorical poison that would kill you) and how different paths would relate to the existence of the poison. One path might simply decide to create a rule 'it's a poison, so we'll simply avoid the poison', another might decide to approach it like the peacock which can digest poison to make the brilliant feathers, another might use a path that mixes the poison with an opposite should they encounter it, etc. Do you have a predominance of bitter-sweetness in your life you're grappling with? Isn't that pretty much a description of life as a whole? Doesn't it depend on the experiencer? Everywhere I look, in my life or that of my friends, people are suffering and happy in turns, or simultaneously. So many have great richness in some area and great lack in another. The arts are an especially rich source of sweet suffering. Or maybe I'm listening to too much opera, and seeing too many heavy movies. But artists seem to revel in mixing beauty and pain. I figured that was not just an artist's trick, but a reflection of life. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Spirituality?
On Mar 8, 2006, at 4:35 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" jpgillam@ wrote: snip The arts are an especially rich source of sweet suffering. Or maybe I'm listening to too much opera, and seeing too many heavy movies. But artists seem to revel in mixing beauty and pain. I figured that was not just an artist's trick, but a reflection of life. Something I've always wondered about: What happens to art in a (hypothetical) Age of Enlightenment? Can you take pain and suffering and struggle out of the mixture and have art just be about joy? I had an artist friend from my MIU days who insisted that artists should only bring light, yeah. I don't know what her position might be these days. Someone in Fairfield could ask her, maybe. Pam Lipman is her name. Enlightened Art?http://www.daplastique.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Spirituality?
No, not you, I realized that it might come across that way after I sent it. Sorry. Sal On Mar 8, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: > > So is hypocrisy and self-importance, but that doesn't seem to > stop some people. Do I come across as hypocritical and self-important? Or, is that barb directed at someone else?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Spirituality?
Great work, Jim-- I'm a big fan of montages. Sal On Mar 8, 2006, at 4:51 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: > I just uploaded 4 of my pieces, done over the last 25 years, into > the Photos section under miscellaneous. Other than the mandala, > which is colored pencil and metallic ink on paper, the others are > montages from photos of carved and colored wood pieces, ranging in > size from about a foot square to about 3.5 feet by 10 inches. Art > reflects the pysche and interest of the artist.
