Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do many gurus shun siddhis? Part 1
On Apr 7, 2010, at 9:47 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Card, with all due respect, a more relevant question might be, Why would anyone *want* siddhis? So you can imagine your ego is connected to world events, like earthquakes, hurricanes, the stock market and stuff like that. It's expansion of consciousness baby!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do many gurus shun siddhis? Part 1
Something more interesting to do other than chop wood and carry water. :-D TurquoiseB wrote: Card, with all due respect, a more relevant question might be, Why would anyone *want* siddhis? I pose this as a question for those on this forum who might fall into that category, and look forward to their answers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: I think there are at least two possible basic reasons, why many modern Indian gurus despise paatañjala-yoga-siddhis: 1. The negative influence of Islam and Christianity 2. Many gurus might not be that fluent in Sanskrit...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do many gurus shun siddhis? Part 1
This is how siddhis are used in my tantric tradition. For example we learn the maran siddhis to help someone who has supposedly had a maran spell cast on them. yifuxero wrote: One of my Teachers - Hsuan Hua - stated that when he was living in Hong Kong (10 years?...I've forgotten); no typhoons hit the City due to the fact that he was using siddhis to block or dissipate the typhoons. Although he rarely used siddhis to directly impact the physical world; he regularly used them to offset subtle negative influences, such as evil spirits and elementals. http://www.cttbusa.org/founder.asp --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Something more interesting to do other than chop wood and carry water. :-D TurquoiseB wrote: Card, with all due respect, a more relevant question might be, Why would anyone *want* siddhis? I pose this as a question for those on this forum who might fall into that category, and look forward to their answers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: I think there are at least two possible basic reasons, why many modern Indian gurus despise paatañjala-yoga-siddhis: 1. The negative influence of Islam and Christianity 2. Many gurus might not be that fluent in Sanskrit...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do many gurus shun siddhis? Part 1
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: One of my Teachers - Hsuan Hua - stated that when he was living in Hong Kong (10 years?...I've forgotten); no typhoons hit the City due to the fact that he was using siddhis to block or dissipate the typhoons. Although he rarely used siddhis to directly impact the physical world; he regularly used them to offset subtle negative influences, such as evil spirits and elementals. http://www.cttbusa.org/founder.asp I think you meant to say that he *believed* that he was dispelling subtle negative influences. So did Son of Sam. :-) If someone here is claiming that such a mindset is not common in the TM movement, they're either crazy or haven't spent any time in it. I mean, just here on FFL we have examples of it. Think Card's many posts about some TM-sidhis course in some area of Europe affecting the weather. Think of Nabby. And this is to say nothing about many of Doug's/Buck's condescending posts about how special Fairfielders or meditators are. *Of course* the first thought that went through Chopra's mind was that he caused the earthquake. No one who has read his articles or books, or seen him talk, could doubt this for a moment. On another subject entirely, I think Bhairitu's answer to the question I posed below is a good one, and possibly the *only* good one. The reason is that it's all about fun, not ego. Anyone who wants to learn siddhis to either control nature or convince other people that they can is setting themselves up for some heavy- duty karma, plus an incarnation or two spent in ignorance. And that's why good teachers won't teach the siddhis to someone who has an ego driven reason to learn them. As for them working I think they are beyond the current human level of understanding. I wish I had saved a web site once by a westerner who had studied tantra and had very good article on why he thought they worked. I see human beings as something like mobile phones. We can both transmit and receive either on the gross level through speech and direct action but also through transmitted thoughts. The latter only works if one has a lot of concentrated shakti to direct. It's like a 1 KW radio station doesn't broadcast very far compared with a 50,000 KW.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do many gurus shun siddhis? Part 1
WillyTex wrote: Bhairitu: This is how siddhis are used in my tantric tradition. For example we learn the maran siddhis to help someone who has supposedly had a maran spell cast on them... That makes a lot of sense - casting a 'spell' on someone who has had a spell cast upon them. A spell to get rid of a spell. Yes, that's the ticket. Now, if you could only learn to spell! maran: Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon: Search Results No entries found. http://webapps.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche Tamil? ROTFL! You need some smarts Willy. It's in both my Hindi and Sanskrit dictionaries. You must not know Devanagari. You REALLY need to get some smarts but I don't know what you would do with them since you don't have a brain in your head. Maran = kill. And you don't cast a spell to get rid of the spell.
