Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
wgm, I think ultimate relaxation means something like surrender, maybe what Byron Katie calls loving what is. The important point I think, is that we can, even in a moment of upset, relax physically by following our breathing. Then the mind and emotions automatically relax too. Doing this over and over creates a state of more lasting relaxation in the body. Which gets reflected in the mind and emotions. Maybe not the full monty, but pretty darn good (-: On Thursday, October 9, 2014 6:59 PM, wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I think Share, for God to put us through all of this, it's got to more than just an 'ultimate relaxation'. You know that; it is described as Sat (Truth) Chit (Conscious..) Ananda (Bliss or eternal happiness), Yogananda calls it 'ever new joy'. TC is more than just No thought and NO mantra...really? (Don't know whether to laugh or cry). People, including TM instructors, take MMY's analogies too far!, they're just teaching tools! Some day Share, if you keep meditating, you will have a clear experience of transcendental consciousness and you'll NEVER forget it, NEVER! It will be an explosion of happiness and bliss like you've never experienced before, now that's worth infusing... We should be happy and grateful that we transcend just a little, but it's not the 'full monty', if you will. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : wgm, one of the most interesting tidbits I've heard recently is that Maharishi once explained enlightenment as the ultimate relaxation, though the person who told me wasn't sure if the word was ultimate, but something along those lines. From my own experience I agree with this 100%. I notice that the more relaxed I am in activity, the more loving I feel. It's not rocket science! Sometimes if I need to settle down in activity, I'll simply track my next five breaths. No trying to slow it down. No trying to deepen it. Just paying attention to my next five breaths. So far, it works every time. On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 5:44 PM, wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I would agree, and far from it, even to the extent that he may have NEVER even experienced it TC to begin with. MMY used to honestly say in the beginning (which is where most people are...and remain, i.e. beginners) it's like perceiving a house in the distance, enough to know it's not a tree (or words to that effect). My point being, even if you only experience a MOMENT of bubbling bliss, it is so enrapturing everything else pales in comparison, he apparently/perhaps obviously didn't even have that! Which would be the common experience of most TMers In short, SC was not transcending, nor do most meditators, deal with it! No thought, no mantra and NO bliss equals NO transcendental consciousness! As, even a moment of that bliss is more rewarding than all of worldly pleasures one could have in a lifetime, combined. How do I know, OK, I experienced it ONCE. During TM I fell asleep and awoke on the other side of deep sleep, it was pure bliss (I don't even know if that would qualify as transcending other than I had that incredible experience. Think of the bubble diagram, the transcendental is beyond relativity, it IS enlightenment. IMHO ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : wgm, what I'd feel safe concluding is that Stephen Collins wasn't established in bliss consciousness. As for hyperbole, a friend of mine, whose been told he's in BC, says that hyperbolic speech is a cultural aspect of life in India. I'd add that for a practical visionary like Maharishi, his job is to offer the highest vision and a means to attain it. Hmmm, I guess Charlie meant 7 HUMAN lifetimes? On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:10 PM, wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: What you CAN conclude Share is that Mr. Collins wasn't transcending to 'bliss consciousness' ( Let the Bliss begin, on wall behind Youtube interview at David Lynch event ), if he were? do you really think he would have been molesting girls? Like I said, he never got his promised banana. ;-) Doesn't mean there is NO bliss consciousness, just that MMY's rhetoric is mostly hyperbole. TM may, eventually, lead you to enlightenment, but more likely in 7 lifetimes life Charlie Lutes suggests, which is more consistent with the proper understanding of Yoga. TM is merely watered down Yogastill good, just, keep it in context. Stephen Collins at The David Lynch Foundation Night of Comedy Stephen Collins at The David Lynch Foundation Night of C... Stephen Collins is on the Board of Directors of The David Lynch Foundation and talks about meditation and upcoming projects with Comic Bible TV Correspo... View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
Steve you crack me up with this stuff, served up the way I like my scrambled eggs and bacon, dry, and crisp. Good morning! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Looking at it honestly, Michael, I believe you are predisposed to be a malcontent. I think it is just your personality. You happened upon this TM, and the trigger for your disenchantment, if I recall correctly was the air quality in the dome, or some such thing. Probably the powers that be, did not handle the situation properly, but I suspect that it was only a matter of time before some other situation would arise which would become your wedge issue. Or maybe, you just made progress to a certain point, and now you are in your consolidation period. That may be the more likely scenario being that you can't go more than a couple hours without some reflection of TM. (and of course, there is the matter of what eating a piece of pizza does to you) (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own, not to others. I agree that may be true for some, the problem is that the Old Fraud and his organization, the Movement have always make outrageous unsupportable claims for the efficacy and benefits of of TM for EVERYONE. This gives people who know nothing about TM unreasonable expectations and sets them up for disappointment on many levels. If one reads and listens to the hype about TM and TMSP the existence of a mental/emotional state that would lead one to be a child molester should not be possible in someone who has done TMSP for decades. Yet it happens. If the TMO billed TM for what it actually is, instead of what they claim for it, I would never say a word. It is the fraud, the lies and the misuse of people that makes the TMO a fundamentally corrupt and disgusting organization. And the meditation itself is mediocre - it is not the superlative better than any other technique, superior to all others the Movement does and Marshy did claim that it is. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Good day lurking reporters, yes Stephen Collins, who has molested children, has been a TM advocate. So too has Father Gabriel Mejia been a TM advocate. And he has rescued hundreds of Columbian street children with TM central to his efforts. What reasonable conclusions can be drawn from these opposite stories? Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own, not to others. From my own experience I'd say that TM is necessary for full psychological development. But in some cases, it is not sufficient. Nor is TM sufficient to heal a toothache. Or a broken finger. Or a floundering marriage. Again, in my own experience, I'd say TM is perfect for preparing the ground for healing. And I think of it as my only spiritual practice. What I do to deal with my Attachment Disorder, those I think of as my healing modalities. They are complementary to my TM practice. But they could never replace it. On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:04 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl And where are the TM apologists here on FFL on this revelation? Deadly silent! They have shifted into shoot the messenger mode. There is, after all, *nothing* they can say to apologize away one of the TMO's superstars being investigated for child molestation. So since they can't excuse it away, they'll try to distract from it by attacking you and anyone else who brings it up. Hadn't you noticed this trend? All of the lurking reporters have.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
On 10/8/2014 10:18 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Looking at it honestly, Michael, I believe you are predisposed to be a malcontent. I think it is just your personality. /He probably hasn't changed much since he was a teenager and it has already been established that practicing TM, TMSP or any other yoga technique, doesn't change anyone's personality. When someone subscribes to a discussion group they can present themselves as anything they want to be. Why some people want to preach to an online spiritual discussion group and pose as spiritual teachers, instead of just seekers, is beyond me (no pun intended). / You happened upon this TM, and the trigger for your disenchantment, if I recall correctly was the air quality in the dome, or some such thing. Probably the powers that be, did not handle the situation properly, but I suspect that it was only a matter of time before some other situation would arise which would become your wedge issue. Or maybe, you just made progress to a certain point, and now you are in your consolidation period. That may be the more likely scenario being that you can't go more than a couple hours without some reflection of TM. (and of course, there is the matter of what eating a piece of pizza does to you) (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own, not to others. I agree that may be true for some, the problem is that the Old Fraud and his organization, the Movement have always make outrageous unsupportable claims for the efficacy and benefits of of TM for EVERYONE. This gives people who know nothing about TM unreasonable expectations and sets them up for disappointment on many levels. If one reads and listens to the hype about TM and TMSP the existence of a mental/emotional state that would lead one to be a child molester should not be possible in someone who has done TMSP for decades. Yet it happens. If the TMO billed TM for what it actually is, instead of what they claim for it, I would never say a word. It is the fraud, the lies and the misuse of people that makes the TMO a fundamentally corrupt and disgusting organization. And the meditation itself is mediocre - it is not the superlative better than any other technique, superior to all others the Movement does and Marshy did claim that it is. *From:* Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 8, 2014 10:18 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Good day lurking reporters, yes Stephen Collins, who has molested children, has been a TM advocate. So too has Father Gabriel Mejia been a TM advocate. And he has rescued hundreds of Columbian street children with TM central to his efforts. What reasonable conclusions can be drawn from these opposite stories? Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own, not to others. From my own experience I'd say that TM is necessary for full psychological development. But in some cases, it is not sufficient. Nor is TM sufficient to heal a toothache. Or a broken finger. Or a floundering marriage. Again, in my own experience, I'd say TM is perfect for preparing the ground for healing. And I think of it as my only spiritual practice. What I do to deal with my Attachment Disorder, those I think of as my healing modalities. They are complementary to my TM practice. But they could never replace it. On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:04 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: *From:* Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 7, 2014 9:59 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl And where are the TM apologists here on FFL on this revelation? Deadly silent! They have shifted into shoot the messenger mode. There is, after all, *nothing* they can say to apologize away one of the TMO's superstars being investigated for child molestation. So since they can't excuse it away, they'll try to distract from it by attacking you and anyone else who brings it up. Hadn't you noticed this trend? All of the lurking reporters have.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
wgm, one of the most interesting tidbits I've heard recently is that Maharishi once explained enlightenment as the ultimate relaxation, though the person who told me wasn't sure if the word was ultimate, but something along those lines. From my own experience I agree with this 100%. I notice that the more relaxed I am in activity, the more loving I feel. It's not rocket science! Sometimes if I need to settle down in activity, I'll simply track my next five breaths. No trying to slow it down. No trying to deepen it. Just paying attention to my next five breaths. So far, it works every time. On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 5:44 PM, wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I would agree, and far from it, even to the extent that he may have NEVER even experienced it TC to begin with. MMY used to honestly say in the beginning (which is where most people are...and remain, i.e. beginners) it's like perceiving a house in the distance, enough to know it's not a tree (or words to that effect). My point being, even if you only experience a MOMENT of bubbling bliss, it is so enrapturing everything else pales in comparison, he apparently/perhaps obviously didn't even have that! Which would be the common experience of most TMers In short, SC was not transcending, nor do most meditators, deal with it! No thought, no mantra and NO bliss equals NO transcendental consciousness! As, even a moment of that bliss is more rewarding than all of worldly pleasures one could have in a lifetime, combined. How do I know, OK, I experienced it ONCE. During TM I fell asleep and awoke on the other side of deep sleep, it was pure bliss (I don't even know if that would qualify as transcending other than I had that incredible experience. Think of the bubble diagram, the transcendental is beyond relativity, it IS enlightenment. IMHO ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : wgm, what I'd feel safe concluding is that Stephen Collins wasn't established in bliss consciousness. As for hyperbole, a friend of mine, whose been told he's in BC, says that hyperbolic speech is a cultural aspect of life in India. I'd add that for a practical visionary like Maharishi, his job is to offer the highest vision and a means to attain it. Hmmm, I guess Charlie meant 7 HUMAN lifetimes? On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:10 PM, wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: What you CAN conclude Share is that Mr. Collins wasn't transcending to 'bliss consciousness' ( Let the Bliss begin, on wall behind Youtube interview at David Lynch event ), if he were? do you really think he would have been molesting girls? Like I said, he never got his promised banana. ;-) Doesn't mean there is NO bliss consciousness, just that MMY's rhetoric is mostly hyperbole. TM may, eventually, lead you to enlightenment, but more likely in 7 lifetimes life Charlie Lutes suggests, which is more consistent with the proper understanding of Yoga. TM is merely watered down Yogastill good, just, keep it in context. Stephen Collins at The David Lynch Foundation Night of Comedy Stephen Collins at The David Lynch Foundation Night of C... Stephen Collins is on the Board of Directors of The David Lynch Foundation and talks about meditation and upcoming projects with Comic Bible TV Correspo... View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
I think Share, for God to put us through all of this, it's got to more than just an 'ultimate relaxation'. You know that; it is described as Sat (Truth) Chit (Conscious..) Ananda (Bliss or eternal happiness), Yogananda calls it 'ever new joy'. TC is more than just No thought and NO mantra...really? (Don't know whether to laugh or cry). People, including TM instructors, take MMY's analogies too far!, they're just teaching tools! Some day Share, if you keep meditating, you will have a clear experience of transcendental consciousness and you'll NEVER forget it, NEVER! It will be an explosion of happiness and bliss like you've never experienced before, now that's worth infusing... We should be happy and grateful that we transcend just a little, but it's not the 'full monty', if you will. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : wgm, one of the most interesting tidbits I've heard recently is that Maharishi once explained enlightenment as the ultimate relaxation, though the person who told me wasn't sure if the word was ultimate, but something along those lines. From my own experience I agree with this 100%. I notice that the more relaxed I am in activity, the more loving I feel. It's not rocket science! Sometimes if I need to settle down in activity, I'll simply track my next five breaths. No trying to slow it down. No trying to deepen it. Just paying attention to my next five breaths. So far, it works every time. On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 5:44 PM, wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I would agree, and far from it, even to the extent that he may have NEVER even experienced it TC to begin with. MMY used to honestly say in the beginning (which is where most people are...and remain, i.e. beginners) it's like perceiving a house in the distance, enough to know it's not a tree (or words to that effect). My point being, even if you only experience a MOMENT of bubbling bliss, it is so enrapturing everything else pales in comparison, he apparently/perhaps obviously didn't even have that! Which would be the common experience of most TMers In short, SC was not transcending, nor do most meditators, deal with it! No thought, no mantra and NO bliss equals NO transcendental consciousness! As, even a moment of that bliss is more rewarding than all of worldly pleasures one could have in a lifetime, combined. How do I know, OK, I experienced it ONCE. During TM I fell asleep and awoke on the other side of deep sleep, it was pure bliss (I don't even know if that would qualify as transcending other than I had that incredible experience. Think of the bubble diagram, the transcendental is beyond relativity, it IS enlightenment. IMHO ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : wgm, what I'd feel safe concluding is that Stephen Collins wasn't established in bliss consciousness. As for hyperbole, a friend of mine, whose been told he's in BC, says that hyperbolic speech is a cultural aspect of life in India. I'd add that for a practical visionary like Maharishi, his job is to offer the highest vision and a means to attain it. Hmmm, I guess Charlie meant 7 HUMAN lifetimes? On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:10 PM, wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: What you CAN conclude Share is that Mr. Collins wasn't transcending to 'bliss consciousness' ( Let the Bliss begin, on wall behind Youtube interview at David Lynch event ), if he were? do you really think he would have been molesting girls? Like I said, he never got his promised banana. ;-) Doesn't mean there is NO bliss consciousness, just that MMY's rhetoric is mostly hyperbole. TM may, eventually, lead you to enlightenment, but more likely in 7 lifetimes life Charlie Lutes suggests, which is more consistent with the proper understanding of Yoga. TM is merely watered down Yogastill good, just, keep it in context. Stephen Collins at The David Lynch Foundation Night of Comedy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcQ_cogtn4o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcQ_cogtn4o Stephen Collins at The David Lynch Foundation Night of C... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcQ_cogtn4o Stephen Collins is on the Board of Directors of The David Lynch Foundation and talks about meditation and upcoming projects with Comic Bible TV Correspo... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcQ_cogtn4o Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl And where are the TM apologists here on FFL on this revelation? Deadly silent! They have shifted into shoot the messenger mode. There is, after all, *nothing* they can say to apologize away one of the TMO's superstars being investigated for child molestation. So since they can't excuse it away, they'll try to distract from it by attacking you and anyone else who brings it up. Hadn't you noticed this trend? All of the lurking reporters have. From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 3:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Huh? I thought TM *automatically* made one a better person...in just a few years no less! Gee, maybe MMY was, shall we say, *embellishing* the supposed benefits? More hyperbole from the great one I guess! Today Stephen Collins, tomorrow, Raja Roger Ram? (and this is the highest teaching on the planet?) '7th Heaven' Dad Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl, Fallout Reaches Hollywood By Suzy Byrne Suzy Byrne See our Celebrity writer Suzy Byrne's profile on Yahoo Celebrity. View Suzy Byrne's latest posts. View on celebrity.yahoo.com Preview by Yahoo View photo. Stephen Collins (Getty Images)Stephen Collins, who played minister and family man the Rev. Eric Camden on TV's 7th Heaven, confessed to his now ex-wife that he molested an underage girl and exposed himself to two others, prompting police on both coasts to examine his admission and Hollywood to distance itself from the actor. There is a formal complaint on file and the incident is being investigated by the Manhattan Special Victims Squad, the NYPD confirmed to The Insider With Yahoo.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
Good day lurking reporters, yes Stephen Collins, who has molested children, has
been a TM advocate. So too has Father Gabriel Mejia been a TM advocate. And he
has rescued hundreds of Columbian street children with TM central to his
efforts.
What reasonable conclusions can be drawn from these opposite stories? Perhaps
that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own,
not to others.
From my own experience I'd say that TM is necessary for full psychological
development. But in some cases, it is not sufficient. Nor is TM sufficient to
heal a toothache. Or a broken finger. Or a floundering marriage.
Again, in my own experience, I'd say TM is perfect for preparing the ground for
healing. And I think of it as my only spiritual practice. What I do to deal
with my Attachment Disorder, those I think of as my healing modalities. They
are complementary to my TM practice. But they could never replace it.
On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:04 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
And where are the TM apologists here on FFL on this revelation? Deadly
silent!
They have shifted into shoot the messenger mode. There is, after all,
*nothing* they can say to apologize away one of the TMO's superstars being
investigated for child molestation. So since they can't excuse it away, they'll
try to distract from it by attacking you and anyone else who brings it up.
Hadn't you noticed this trend? All of the lurking reporters have.
From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 3:16 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
Huh? I thought TM *automatically* made one a better person...in just a few
years no less! Gee, maybe MMY was, shall we say, *embellishing* the supposed
benefits? More hyperbole from the great one I guess!
Today Stephen Collins, tomorrow, Raja Roger Ram? (and this is the highest
teaching on the planet?)
'7th Heaven' Dad Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl, Fallout
Reaches Hollywood
By Suzy Byrne
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|||| Suzy Byrne See our Celebrity writer Suzy Byrne's
profile on Yahoo Celebrity. View Suzy Byrne's latest posts.||
| View on celebrity.yahoo.com |Preview by Yahoo|
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View photo.Stephen Collins (Getty Images)Stephen
Collins, who played minister and family man the Rev. Eric Camden on TV's 7th
Heaven, confessed to his now ex-wife that he molested an underage girl and
exposed himself to two others, prompting police on both coasts to examine his
admission and Hollywood to distance itself from the actor.There is a formal
complaint on file and the incident is being investigated by the Manhattan
Special Victims Squad, the NYPD confirmed to The Insider With Yahoo.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own, not to others. I agree that may be true for some, the problem is that the Old Fraud and his organization, the Movement have always make outrageous unsupportable claims for the efficacy and benefits of of TM for EVERYONE. This gives people who know nothing about TM unreasonable expectations and sets them up for disappointment on many levels. If one reads and listens to the hype about TM and TMSP the existence of a mental/emotional state that would lead one to be a child molester should not be possible in someone who has done TMSP for decades. Yet it happens. If the TMO billed TM for what it actually is, instead of what they claim for it, I would never say a word. It is the fraud, the lies and the misuse of people that makes the TMO a fundamentally corrupt and disgusting organization. And the meditation itself is mediocre - it is not the superlative better than any other technique, superior to all others the Movement does and Marshy did claim that it is. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Good day lurking reporters, yes Stephen Collins, who has molested children, has been a TM advocate. So too has Father Gabriel Mejia been a TM advocate. And he has rescued hundreds of Columbian street children with TM central to his efforts. What reasonable conclusions can be drawn from these opposite stories? Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own, not to others. From my own experience I'd say that TM is necessary for full psychological development. But in some cases, it is not sufficient. Nor is TM sufficient to heal a toothache. Or a broken finger. Or a floundering marriage. Again, in my own experience, I'd say TM is perfect for preparing the ground for healing. And I think of it as my only spiritual practice. What I do to deal with my Attachment Disorder, those I think of as my healing modalities. They are complementary to my TM practice. But they could never replace it. On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:04 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl And where are the TM apologists here on FFL on this revelation? Deadly silent! They have shifted into shoot the messenger mode. There is, after all, *nothing* they can say to apologize away one of the TMO's superstars being investigated for child molestation. So since they can't excuse it away, they'll try to distract from it by attacking you and anyone else who brings it up. Hadn't you noticed this trend? All of the lurking reporters have. From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 3:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Huh? I thought TM *automatically* made one a better person...in just a few years no less! Gee, maybe MMY was, shall we say, *embellishing* the supposed benefits? More hyperbole from the great one I guess! Today Stephen Collins, tomorrow, Raja Roger Ram? (and this is the highest teaching on the planet?) '7th Heaven' Dad Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl, Fallout Reaches Hollywood By Suzy Byrne Suzy Byrne See our Celebrity writer Suzy Byrne's profile on Yahoo Celebrity. View Suzy Byrne's latest posts. View on celebrity.yahoo.com Preview by Yahoo View photo. Stephen Collins (Getty Images)Stephen Collins, who played minister and family man the Rev. Eric Camden on TV's 7th Heaven, confessed to his now ex-wife that he molested an underage girl and exposed himself to two others, prompting police on both coasts to examine his admission and Hollywood to distance itself from the actor. There is a formal complaint on file and the incident is being investigated by the Manhattan Special Victims Squad, the NYPD confirmed to The Insider With Yahoo.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Good day lurking reporters, yes Stephen Collins, who has molested children, has been a TM advocate. So too has Father Gabriel Mejia been a TM advocate. And he has rescued hundreds of Columbian street children with TM central to his efforts. What reasonable conclusions can be drawn from these opposite stories? Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own, not to others. From my own experience I'd say that TM is necessary for full psychological development. But in some cases, it is not sufficient. Nor is TM sufficient to heal a toothache. Or a broken finger. Or a floundering marriage. Again, in my own experience, I'd say TM is perfect for preparing the ground for healing. And I think of it as my only spiritual practice. What I do to deal with my Attachment Disorder, those I think of as my healing modalities. They are complementary to my TM practice. But they could never replace it. Nicely said, Share.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
Michael, certainly I have been exposed to the TMO more than most people. I've been in FF for 26 years and lived on campus for the first 14 of those years. I earned both an MA in SCI and an MS in psychology from MUM. During that time I took relationship workshops because I realized that I needed specific knowledge about successfully navigating that often complicated area of life. In large part I left campus 12 years ago because I realized that I had issues and that I needed to deal with them with expert help. Maybe I'm just more practical than Stephen Collins! But in almost 40 years, I have only missed between 5 and 10 meditations. And that was due to illness or traveling. And includes the 7 years when I did not have contact with MUM or the TMO. I did my TMSP at home. We don't really know any details about Stephen's TMSP practice. Thus to draw conclusions is not really useful. I see the TMO as part of a world that is constantly evolving. And recently, I see the TMO itself evolving. Take the best and leave the rest! On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 9:45 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own, not to others. I agree that may be true for some, the problem is that the Old Fraud and his organization, the Movement have always make outrageous unsupportable claims for the efficacy and benefits of of TM for EVERYONE. This gives people who know nothing about TM unreasonable expectations and sets them up for disappointment on many levels. If one reads and listens to the hype about TM and TMSP the existence of a mental/emotional state that would lead one to be a child molester should not be possible in someone who has done TMSP for decades. Yet it happens. If the TMO billed TM for what it actually is, instead of what they claim for it, I would never say a word. It is the fraud, the lies and the misuse of people that makes the TMO a fundamentally corrupt and disgusting organization. And the meditation itself is mediocre - it is not the superlative better than any other technique, superior to all others the Movement does and Marshy did claim that it is. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Good day lurking reporters, yes Stephen Collins, who has molested children, has been a TM advocate. So too has Father Gabriel Mejia been a TM advocate. And he has rescued hundreds of Columbian street children with TM central to his efforts. What reasonable conclusions can be drawn from these opposite stories? Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own, not to others. From my own experience I'd say that TM is necessary for full psychological development. But in some cases, it is not sufficient. Nor is TM sufficient to heal a toothache. Or a broken finger. Or a floundering marriage. Again, in my own experience, I'd say TM is perfect for preparing the ground for healing. And I think of it as my only spiritual practice. What I do to deal with my Attachment Disorder, those I think of as my healing modalities. They are complementary to my TM practice. But they could never replace it. On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:04 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl And where are the TM apologists here on FFL on this revelation? Deadly silent! They have shifted into shoot the messenger mode. There is, after all, *nothing* they can say to apologize away one of the TMO's superstars being investigated for child molestation. So since they can't excuse it away, they'll try to distract from it by attacking you and anyone else who brings it up. Hadn't you noticed this trend? All of the lurking reporters have. From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 3:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Huh? I thought TM *automatically* made one a better person...in just a few years no less! Gee, maybe MMY was, shall we say, *embellishing* the supposed benefits? More hyperbole from the great one I guess! Today Stephen Collins, tomorrow, Raja Roger Ram? (and this is the highest teaching on the planet?) '7th Heaven' Dad Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl, Fallout Reaches Hollywood By Suzy
Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
The thing is, both Collins and the TMO have hyped his practice of TM and TMSP as that which keeps him on a even keel in the entertainment world - they make big claims for his practice doing all kinds of stuff for him. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Michael, certainly I have been exposed to the TMO more than most people. I've been in FF for 26 years and lived on campus for the first 14 of those years. I earned both an MA in SCI and an MS in psychology from MUM. During that time I took relationship workshops because I realized that I needed specific knowledge about successfully navigating that often complicated area of life. In large part I left campus 12 years ago because I realized that I had issues and that I needed to deal with them with expert help. Maybe I'm just more practical than Stephen Collins! But in almost 40 years, I have only missed between 5 and 10 meditations. And that was due to illness or traveling. And includes the 7 years when I did not have contact with MUM or the TMO. I did my TMSP at home. We don't really know any details about Stephen's TMSP practice. Thus to draw conclusions is not really useful. I see the TMO as part of a world that is constantly evolving. And recently, I see the TMO itself evolving. Take the best and leave the rest! On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 9:45 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own, not to others. I agree that may be true for some, the problem is that the Old Fraud and his organization, the Movement have always make outrageous unsupportable claims for the efficacy and benefits of of TM for EVERYONE. This gives people who know nothing about TM unreasonable expectations and sets them up for disappointment on many levels. If one reads and listens to the hype about TM and TMSP the existence of a mental/emotional state that would lead one to be a child molester should not be possible in someone who has done TMSP for decades. Yet it happens. If the TMO billed TM for what it actually is, instead of what they claim for it, I would never say a word. It is the fraud, the lies and the misuse of people that makes the TMO a fundamentally corrupt and disgusting organization. And the meditation itself is mediocre - it is not the superlative better than any other technique, superior to all others the Movement does and Marshy did claim that it is. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Good day lurking reporters, yes Stephen Collins, who has molested children, has been a TM advocate. So too has Father Gabriel Mejia been a TM advocate. And he has rescued hundreds of Columbian street children with TM central to his efforts. What reasonable conclusions can be drawn from these opposite stories? Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own, not to others. From my own experience I'd say that TM is necessary for full psychological development. But in some cases, it is not sufficient. Nor is TM sufficient to heal a toothache. Or a broken finger. Or a floundering marriage. Again, in my own experience, I'd say TM is perfect for preparing the ground for healing. And I think of it as my only spiritual practice. What I do to deal with my Attachment Disorder, those I think of as my healing modalities. They are complementary to my TM practice. But they could never replace it. On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:04 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl And where are the TM apologists here on FFL on this revelation? Deadly silent! They have shifted into shoot the messenger mode. There is, after all, *nothing* they can say to apologize away one of the TMO's superstars being investigated for child molestation. So since they can't excuse it away, they'll try to distract from it by attacking you and anyone else who brings it up. Hadn't you noticed this trend? All of the lurking reporters have. From: wgm4u no_re
Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
Michael, I'd say that TM helped him in his work. But he needed specific help in his personal life. Obviously in that area of life, his damage was serious and needed expert attention. I'm mystified as to why he didn't seek that. Meanwhile, based on my own experience, I suggest: toss the bath water! Keep the baby... On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 10:54 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: The thing is, both Collins and the TMO have hyped his practice of TM and TMSP as that which keeps him on a even keel in the entertainment world - they make big claims for his practice doing all kinds of stuff for him. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Michael, certainly I have been exposed to the TMO more than most people. I've been in FF for 26 years and lived on campus for the first 14 of those years. I earned both an MA in SCI and an MS in psychology from MUM. During that time I took relationship workshops because I realized that I needed specific knowledge about successfully navigating that often complicated area of life. In large part I left campus 12 years ago because I realized that I had issues and that I needed to deal with them with expert help. Maybe I'm just more practical than Stephen Collins! But in almost 40 years, I have only missed between 5 and 10 meditations. And that was due to illness or traveling. And includes the 7 years when I did not have contact with MUM or the TMO. I did my TMSP at home. We don't really know any details about Stephen's TMSP practice. Thus to draw conclusions is not really useful. I see the TMO as part of a world that is constantly evolving. And recently, I see the TMO itself evolving. Take the best and leave the rest! On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 9:45 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own, not to others. I agree that may be true for some, the problem is that the Old Fraud and his organization, the Movement have always make outrageous unsupportable claims for the efficacy and benefits of of TM for EVERYONE. This gives people who know nothing about TM unreasonable expectations and sets them up for disappointment on many levels. If one reads and listens to the hype about TM and TMSP the existence of a mental/emotional state that would lead one to be a child molester should not be possible in someone who has done TMSP for decades. Yet it happens. If the TMO billed TM for what it actually is, instead of what they claim for it, I would never say a word. It is the fraud, the lies and the misuse of people that makes the TMO a fundamentally corrupt and disgusting organization. And the meditation itself is mediocre - it is not the superlative better than any other technique, superior to all others the Movement does and Marshy did claim that it is. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Good day lurking reporters, yes Stephen Collins, who has molested children, has been a TM advocate. So too has Father Gabriel Mejia been a TM advocate. And he has rescued hundreds of Columbian street children with TM central to his efforts. What reasonable conclusions can be drawn from these opposite stories? Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own, not to others. From my own experience I'd say that TM is necessary for full psychological development. But in some cases, it is not sufficient. Nor is TM sufficient to heal a toothache. Or a broken finger. Or a floundering marriage. Again, in my own experience, I'd say TM is perfect for preparing the ground for healing. And I think of it as my only spiritual practice. What I do to deal with my Attachment Disorder, those I think of as my healing modalities. They are complementary to my TM practice. But they could never replace it. On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:04 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl And where are the TM apologists here on FFL on this revelation? Deadly silent! They have
Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
On 10/8/2014 11:01 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Michael, I'd say that TM helped him in his work. But he needed specific help in his personal life. Obviously in that area of life, his damage was serious and needed expert attention. I'm mystified as to why he didn't seek that. Meanwhile, based on my own experience, I suggest: toss the bath water! Keep the baby... /Apparently Michael tends to believe in Absolutist terms (either l00% true or 100% false) and he cannot tolerate situations in which: // // // a. the truth is unknown// // b. the truth is midway between extremes// // c. simply unknowable// // d. variants such as true some of the time, but at other times not true, or true for some people but not others. // // //Go figure./
Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
You are right, Share. I have never seen a claim that TM cures pedophilia or any other sexual disorder. It doesn't have any effect on those kinds of things. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, I'd say that TM helped him in his work. But he needed specific help in his personal life. Obviously in that area of life, his damage was serious and needed expert attention. I'm mystified as to why he didn't seek that. Meanwhile, based on my own experience, I suggest: toss the bath water! Keep the baby... On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 10:54 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: The thing is, both Collins and the TMO have hyped his practice of TM and TMSP as that which keeps him on a even keel in the entertainment world - they make big claims for his practice doing all kinds of stuff for him. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Michael, certainly I have been exposed to the TMO more than most people. I've been in FF for 26 years and lived on campus for the first 14 of those years. I earned both an MA in SCI and an MS in psychology from MUM. During that time I took relationship workshops because I realized that I needed specific knowledge about successfully navigating that often complicated area of life. In large part I left campus 12 years ago because I realized that I had issues and that I needed to deal with them with expert help. Maybe I'm just more practical than Stephen Collins! But in almost 40 years, I have only missed between 5 and 10 meditations. And that was due to illness or traveling. And includes the 7 years when I did not have contact with MUM or the TMO. I did my TMSP at home. We don't really know any details about Stephen's TMSP practice. Thus to draw conclusions is not really useful. I see the TMO as part of a world that is constantly evolving. And recently, I see the TMO itself evolving. Take the best and leave the rest! On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 9:45 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own, not to others. I agree that may be true for some, the problem is that the Old Fraud and his organization, the Movement have always make outrageous unsupportable claims for the efficacy and benefits of of TM for EVERYONE. This gives people who know nothing about TM unreasonable expectations and sets them up for disappointment on many levels. If one reads and listens to the hype about TM and TMSP the existence of a mental/emotional state that would lead one to be a child molester should not be possible in someone who has done TMSP for decades. Yet it happens. If the TMO billed TM for what it actually is, instead of what they claim for it, I would never say a word. It is the fraud, the lies and the misuse of people that makes the TMO a fundamentally corrupt and disgusting organization. And the meditation itself is mediocre - it is not the superlative better than any other technique, superior to all others the Movement does and Marshy did claim that it is. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Good day lurking reporters, yes Stephen Collins, who has molested children, has been a TM advocate. So too has Father Gabriel Mejia been a TM advocate. And he has rescued hundreds of Columbian street children with TM central to his efforts. What reasonable conclusions can be drawn from these opposite stories? Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own, not to others. From my own experience I'd say that TM is necessary for full psychological development. But in some cases, it is not sufficient. Nor is TM sufficient to heal a toothache. Or a broken finger. Or a floundering marriage. Again, in my own experience, I'd say TM is perfect for preparing the ground for healing. And I think of it as my only spiritual practice. What I do to deal with my Attachment Disorder, those I think of as my healing modalities. They are complementary to my TM practice. But they could never replace it. On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:04 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife
Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
then the whole thing is bull crap - look at the way TM is touted and hyped as a panacea for everything from bad grades, failing relationships to PTSD - you are just making excuses. I bow to the TM Free Facebook page's quip - it ways it better than I could have: National Co-director of TM's Committee for Stress-free Schools scrubbed off TM and David Lynch Foundation sites after revelations of child molestation. 30 years of TM for an Ideal Society! From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl You are right, Share. I have never seen a claim that TM cures pedophilia or any other sexual disorder. It doesn't have any effect on those kinds of things. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, I'd say that TM helped him in his work. But he needed specific help in his personal life. Obviously in that area of life, his damage was serious and needed expert attention. I'm mystified as to why he didn't seek that. Meanwhile, based on my own experience, I suggest: toss the bath water! Keep the baby... On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 10:54 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: The thing is, both Collins and the TMO have hyped his practice of TM and TMSP as that which keeps him on a even keel in the entertainment world - they make big claims for his practice doing all kinds of stuff for him. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Michael, certainly I have been exposed to the TMO more than most people. I've been in FF for 26 years and lived on campus for the first 14 of those years. I earned both an MA in SCI and an MS in psychology from MUM. During that time I took relationship workshops because I realized that I needed specific knowledge about successfully navigating that often complicated area of life. In large part I left campus 12 years ago because I realized that I had issues and that I needed to deal with them with expert help. Maybe I'm just more practical than Stephen Collins! But in almost 40 years, I have only missed between 5 and 10 meditations. And that was due to illness or traveling. And includes the 7 years when I did not have contact with MUM or the TMO. I did my TMSP at home. We don't really know any details about Stephen's TMSP practice. Thus to draw conclusions is not really useful. I see the TMO as part of a world that is constantly evolving. And recently, I see the TMO itself evolving. Take the best and leave the rest! On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 9:45 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own, not to others. I agree that may be true for some, the problem is that the Old Fraud and his organization, the Movement have always make outrageous unsupportable claims for the efficacy and benefits of of TM for EVERYONE. This gives people who know nothing about TM unreasonable expectations and sets them up for disappointment on many levels. If one reads and listens to the hype about TM and TMSP the existence of a mental/emotional state that would lead one to be a child molester should not be possible in someone who has done TMSP for decades. Yet it happens. If the TMO billed TM for what it actually is, instead of what they claim for it, I would never say a word. It is the fraud, the lies and the misuse of people that makes the TMO a fundamentally corrupt and disgusting organization. And the meditation itself is mediocre - it is not the superlative better than any other technique, superior to all others the Movement does and Marshy did claim that it is. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Good day lurking reporters, yes Stephen Collins, who has molested children, has been a TM advocate. So too has Father Gabriel Mejia been a TM advocate. And he has rescued hundreds of Columbian street children with TM central to his efforts. What reasonable conclusions can be drawn from these opposite stories? Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own, not to others. From my own experience I'd say that TM is necessary for full psychological development. But in some cases
Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
Richard, I'm coming to the conclusion that we're all the victims of our brain
chemistry. Which could even prevent us from going and figuring! (-:
On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 11:16 AM, 'Richard J. Williams'
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
On 10/8/2014 11:01 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
Michael, I'd say that TM helped him in his work. But he needed specific help
in his personal life. Obviously in that area of life, his damage was serious
and needed expert attention. I'm mystified as to why he didn't seek that.
Meanwhile, based on my own experience, I suggest: toss the bath water! Keep
the baby...
Apparently Michael tends to believe in Absolutist terms (either l00% true or
100% false) and he cannot tolerate situations in which:
a. the truth is unknown
b. the truth is midway between extremes
c. simply unknowable
d. variants such as true some of the time, but at other times not true, or
true for some people but not others.
Go figure.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
Perhaps TM and TMSP DID help him, but TM is an anti-stress practice. There's no reason (other than Maharishi's most extreme rhetoric) to assume that, in any finite amount of time (at least), it will affect non-stress-related behavioral and health-related issues. Now, you can make the case that virtually every dysfunctional behavior is stress-related to a certain extent, but obviously in Collin's case, TM and TMSP weren't sufficient to change his behavior. After 40 years of TM and 30 years of TMSP, I've found that some of my issues havent' been handled adequately either. OTOH, I've tried western-style therapy and medication for 20 years also, and still have problems. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The thing is, both Collins and the TMO have hyped his practice of TM and TMSP as that which keeps him on a even keel in the entertainment world - they make big claims for his practice doing all kinds of stuff for him. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Michael, certainly I have been exposed to the TMO more than most people. I've been in FF for 26 years and lived on campus for the first 14 of those years. I earned both an MA in SCI and an MS in psychology from MUM. During that time I took relationship workshops because I realized that I needed specific knowledge about successfully navigating that often complicated area of life. In large part I left campus 12 years ago because I realized that I had issues and that I needed to deal with them with expert help. Maybe I'm just more practical than Stephen Collins! But in almost 40 years, I have only missed between 5 and 10 meditations. And that was due to illness or traveling. And includes the 7 years when I did not have contact with MUM or the TMO. I did my TMSP at home. We don't really know any details about Stephen's TMSP practice. Thus to draw conclusions is not really useful. I see the TMO as part of a world that is constantly evolving. And recently, I see the TMO itself evolving. Take the best and leave the rest! On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 9:45 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own, not to others. I agree that may be true for some, the problem is that the Old Fraud and his organization, the Movement have always make outrageous unsupportable claims for the efficacy and benefits of of TM for EVERYONE. This gives people who know nothing about TM unreasonable expectations and sets them up for disappointment on many levels. If one reads and listens to the hype about TM and TMSP the existence of a mental/emotional state that would lead one to be a child molester should not be possible in someone who has done TMSP for decades. Yet it happens. If the TMO billed TM for what it actually is, instead of what they claim for it, I would never say a word. It is the fraud, the lies and the misuse of people that makes the TMO a fundamentally corrupt and disgusting organization. And the meditation itself is mediocre - it is not the superlative better than any other technique, superior to all others the Movement does and Marshy did claim that it is. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Good day lurking reporters, yes Stephen Collins, who has molested children, has been a TM advocate. So too has Father Gabriel Mejia been a TM advocate. And he has rescued hundreds of Columbian street children with TM central to his efforts. What reasonable conclusions can be drawn from these opposite stories? Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own, not to others. From my own experience I'd say that TM is necessary for full psychological development. But in some cases, it is not sufficient. Nor is TM sufficient to heal a toothache. Or a broken finger. Or a floundering marriage. Again, in my own experience, I'd say TM is perfect for preparing the ground for healing. And I think of it as my only spiritual practice. What I do to deal with my Attachment Disorder, those I think of as my healing modalities. They are complementary to my TM practice. But they could never replace it. On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:04 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife
Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
Of course TM doesn't handle these issues, but Marshy and the Movement claim they do, and when you add in the ridiculous adjunct programs like yagya and all the Indian nostrums the TMO sells, they claim they got a lock on perfect everything for the individual and society. That is one of the reasons they are so despicable, they prey on people's weaknesses and their hope for a better life. From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Perhaps TM and TMSP DID help him, but TM is an anti-stress practice. There's no reason (other than Maharishi's most extreme rhetoric) to assume that, in any finite amount of time (at least), it will affect non-stress-related behavioral and health-related issues. Now, you can make the case that virtually every dysfunctional behavior is stress-related to a certain extent, but obviously in Collin's case, TM and TMSP weren't sufficient to change his behavior. After 40 years of TM and 30 years of TMSP, I've found that some of my issues havent' been handled adequately either. OTOH, I've tried western-style therapy and medication for 20 years also, and still have problems. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The thing is, both Collins and the TMO have hyped his practice of TM and TMSP as that which keeps him on a even keel in the entertainment world - they make big claims for his practice doing all kinds of stuff for him. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Michael, certainly I have been exposed to the TMO more than most people. I've been in FF for 26 years and lived on campus for the first 14 of those years. I earned both an MA in SCI and an MS in psychology from MUM. During that time I took relationship workshops because I realized that I needed specific knowledge about successfully navigating that often complicated area of life. In large part I left campus 12 years ago because I realized that I had issues and that I needed to deal with them with expert help. Maybe I'm just more practical than Stephen Collins! But in almost 40 years, I have only missed between 5 and 10 meditations. And that was due to illness or traveling. And includes the 7 years when I did not have contact with MUM or the TMO. I did my TMSP at home. We don't really know any details about Stephen's TMSP practice. Thus to draw conclusions is not really useful. I see the TMO as part of a world that is constantly evolving. And recently, I see the TMO itself evolving. Take the best and leave the rest! On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 9:45 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own, not to others. I agree that may be true for some, the problem is that the Old Fraud and his organization, the Movement have always make outrageous unsupportable claims for the efficacy and benefits of of TM for EVERYONE. This gives people who know nothing about TM unreasonable expectations and sets them up for disappointment on many levels. If one reads and listens to the hype about TM and TMSP the existence of a mental/emotional state that would lead one to be a child molester should not be possible in someone who has done TMSP for decades. Yet it happens. If the TMO billed TM for what it actually is, instead of what they claim for it, I would never say a word. It is the fraud, the lies and the misuse of people that makes the TMO a fundamentally corrupt and disgusting organization. And the meditation itself is mediocre - it is not the superlative better than any other technique, superior to all others the Movement does and Marshy did claim that it is. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Good day lurking reporters, yes Stephen Collins, who has molested children, has been a TM advocate. So too has Father Gabriel Mejia been a TM advocate. And he has rescued hundreds of Columbian street children with TM central to his efforts. What reasonable conclusions can be drawn from these opposite stories? Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own, not to others. From my own experience I'd say that TM is necessary for full
Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
On 10/8/2014 1:15 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Of course TM doesn't handle these issues, but Marshy and the Movement claim they do, and when you add in the ridiculous adjunct programs like yagya and all the Indian nostrums /Prejudice: a preconceived judgment toward a group of people or a person because of religion, gender, political opinion, social class, age, disability, sexuality, race/ethnicity, language, nationality or other personal characteristics./ the TMO sells, they claim they got a lock on perfect everything for the individual and society. That is one of the reasons they are so despicable, they prey on people's weaknesses and their hope for a better life. *From:* lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 8, 2014 1:16 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Perhaps TM and TMSP DID help him, but TM is an anti-stress practice. There's no reason (other than Maharishi's most extreme rhetoric) to assume that, in any finite amount of time (at least), it will affect non-stress-related behavioral and health-related issues. Now, you can make the case that virtually every dysfunctional behavior is stress-related to a certain extent, but obviously in Collin's case, TM and TMSP weren't sufficient to change his behavior. After 40 years of TM and 30 years of TMSP, I've found that some of my issues havent' been handled adequately either. OTOH, I've tried western-style therapy and medication for 20 years also, and still have problems. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The thing is, both Collins and the TMO have hyped his practice of TM and TMSP as that which keeps him on a even keel in the entertainment world - they make big claims for his practice doing all kinds of stuff for him. *From:* Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 8, 2014 11:01 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Michael, certainly I have been exposed to the TMO more than most people. I've been in FF for 26 years and lived on campus for the first 14 of those years. I earned both an MA in SCI and an MS in psychology from MUM. During that time I took relationship workshops because I realized that I needed specific knowledge about successfully navigating that often complicated area of life. In large part I left campus 12 years ago because I realized that I had issues and that I needed to deal with them with expert help. Maybe I'm just more practical than Stephen Collins! But in almost 40 years, I have only missed between 5 and 10 meditations. And that was due to illness or traveling. And includes the 7 years when I did not have contact with MUM or the TMO. I did my TMSP at home. We don't really know any details about Stephen's TMSP practice. Thus to draw conclusions is not really useful. I see the TMO as part of a world that is constantly evolving. And recently, I see the TMO itself evolving. Take the best and leave the rest! On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 9:45 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own, not to others. I agree that may be true for some, the problem is that the Old Fraud and his organization, the Movement have always make outrageous unsupportable claims for the efficacy and benefits of of TM for EVERYONE. This gives people who know nothing about TM unreasonable expectations and sets them up for disappointment on many levels. If one reads and listens to the hype about TM and TMSP the existence of a mental/emotional state that would lead one to be a child molester should not be possible in someone who has done TMSP for decades. Yet it happens. If the TMO billed TM for what it actually is, instead of what they claim for it, I would never say a word. It is the fraud, the lies and the misuse of people that makes the TMO a fundamentally corrupt and disgusting organization. And the meditation itself is mediocre - it is not the superlative better than any other technique, superior to all others the Movement does and Marshy did claim that it is. *From:* Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 8, 2014 10:18 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Good day lurking
Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
What you CAN conclude Share is that Mr. Collins wasn't transcending to 'bliss consciousness' ( Let the Bliss begin, on wall behind Youtube interview at David Lynch event ), if he were? do you really think he would have been molesting girls? Like I said, he never got his promised banana. ;-) Doesn't mean there is NO bliss consciousness, just that MMY's rhetoric is mostly hyperbole. TM may, eventually, lead you to enlightenment, but more likely in 7 lifetimes life Charlie Lutes suggests, which is more consistent with the proper understanding of Yoga. TM is merely watered down Yogastill good, just, keep it in context. Stephen Collins at The David Lynch Foundation Night of Comedy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcQ_cogtn4o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcQ_cogtn4o Stephen Collins at The David Lynch Foundation Night of C... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcQ_cogtn4o Stephen Collins is on the Board of Directors of The David Lynch Foundation and talks about meditation and upcoming projects with Comic Bible TV Correspo... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcQ_cogtn4o Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
wgm, what I'd feel safe concluding is that Stephen Collins wasn't established
in bliss consciousness.
As for hyperbole, a friend of mine, whose been told he's in BC, says that
hyperbolic speech is a cultural aspect of life in India. I'd add that for a
practical visionary like Maharishi, his job is to offer the highest vision and
a means to attain it.
Hmmm, I guess Charlie meant 7 HUMAN lifetimes?
On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:10 PM, wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
What you CAN conclude Share is that Mr. Collins wasn't transcending to
'bliss consciousness' ( Let the Bliss begin, on wall behind Youtube interview
at David Lynch event ), if he were? do you really think he would have been
molesting girls? Like I said, he never got his promised banana. ;-)
Doesn't mean there is NO bliss consciousness, just that MMY's rhetoric is
mostly hyperbole. TM may, eventually, lead you to enlightenment, but more
likely in 7 lifetimes life Charlie Lutes suggests, which is more consistent
with the proper understanding of Yoga.
TM is merely watered down Yogastill good, just, keep it in context.
Stephen Collins at The David Lynch Foundation Night of Comedy
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl
Except he wasn't a visionary, his vision was of gold, silver and gems that he and his family amassed from the faithful, and his practical means to attain it often leads to despair, suicide and ill considered behavior among those who practice the longest - you can spin it as positively as you want to and keep dodging the truth, but Marshy used the knowledge and myth and superstition of India to make himself a little god, enrich himself and get laid alot. That's it. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl wgm, what I'd feel safe concluding is that Stephen Collins wasn't established in bliss consciousness. As for hyperbole, a friend of mine, whose been told he's in BC, says that hyperbolic speech is a cultural aspect of life in India. I'd add that for a practical visionary like Maharishi, his job is to offer the highest vision and a means to attain it. Hmmm, I guess Charlie meant 7 HUMAN lifetimes? On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:10 PM, wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: What you CAN conclude Share is that Mr. Collins wasn't transcending to 'bliss consciousness' ( Let the Bliss begin, on wall behind Youtube interview at David Lynch event ), if he were? do you really think he would have been molesting girls? Like I said, he never got his promised banana. ;-) Doesn't mean there is NO bliss consciousness, just that MMY's rhetoric is mostly hyperbole. TM may, eventually, lead you to enlightenment, but more likely in 7 lifetimes life Charlie Lutes suggests, which is more consistent with the proper understanding of Yoga. TM is merely watered down Yogastill good, just, keep it in context. Stephen Collins at The David Lynch Foundation Night of Comedy Stephen Collins at The David Lynch Foundation Night of C... Stephen Collins is on the Board of Directors of The David Lynch Foundation and talks about meditation and upcoming projects with Comic Bible TV Correspo... View on www.youtube.comPreview by Yahoo
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I would agree, and far from it, even to the extent that he may have NEVER even experienced it TC to begin with. MMY used to honestly say in the beginning (which is where most people are...and remain, i.e. beginners) it's like perceiving a house in the distance, enough to know it's not a tree (or words to that effect). My point being, even if you only experience a MOMENT of bubbling bliss, it is so enrapturing everything else pales in comparison, he apparently/perhaps obviously didn't even have that! Which would be the common experience of most TMers In short, SC was not transcending, nor do most meditators, deal with it! No thought, no mantra and NO bliss equals NO transcendental consciousness! As, even a moment of that bliss is more rewarding than all of worldly pleasures one could have in a lifetime, combined. How do I know, OK, I experienced it ONCE. During TM I fell asleep and awoke on the other side of deep sleep, it was pure bliss (I don't even know if that would qualify as transcending other than I had that incredible experience. Think of the bubble diagram, the transcendental is beyond relativity, it IS enlightenment. IMHO ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : wgm, what I'd feel safe concluding is that Stephen Collins wasn't established in bliss consciousness. As for hyperbole, a friend of mine, whose been told he's in BC, says that hyperbolic speech is a cultural aspect of life in India. I'd add that for a practical visionary like Maharishi, his job is to offer the highest vision and a means to attain it. Hmmm, I guess Charlie meant 7 HUMAN lifetimes? On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:10 PM, wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: What you CAN conclude Share is that Mr. Collins wasn't transcending to 'bliss consciousness' ( Let the Bliss begin, on wall behind Youtube interview at David Lynch event ), if he were? do you really think he would have been molesting girls? Like I said, he never got his promised banana. ;-) Doesn't mean there is NO bliss consciousness, just that MMY's rhetoric is mostly hyperbole. TM may, eventually, lead you to enlightenment, but more likely in 7 lifetimes life Charlie Lutes suggests, which is more consistent with the proper understanding of Yoga. TM is merely watered down Yogastill good, just, keep it in context. Stephen Collins at The David Lynch Foundation Night of Comedy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcQ_cogtn4o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcQ_cogtn4o Stephen Collins at The David Lynch Foundation Night of C... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcQ_cogtn4o Stephen Collins is on the Board of Directors of The David Lynch Foundation and talks about meditation and upcoming projects with Comic Bible TV Correspo... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcQ_cogtn4o Preview by Yahoo
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On 10/8/2014 2:44 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Except he wasn't a visionary, his vision was of gold, silver and gems that he and his family amassed from the faithful, and his practical means to attain it often leads to despair, suicide and ill considered behavior among those who practice the longest - you can spin it as positively as you want to and keep dodging the truth, but Marshy used the knowledge and myth and superstition of India to make himself a little god, enrich himself and get laid alot. That's it. /Non sequitur. An inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or evidence. Getting laid a few times in the sixties is not considered to be alot./
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Looking at it honestly, Michael, I believe you are predisposed to be a malcontent. I think it is just your personality. You happened upon this TM, and the trigger for your disenchantment, if I recall correctly was the air quality in the dome, or some such thing. Probably the powers that be, did not handle the situation properly, but I suspect that it was only a matter of time before some other situation would arise which would become your wedge issue. Or maybe, you just made progress to a certain point, and now you are in your consolidation period. That may be the more likely scenario being that you can't go more than a couple hours without some reflection of TM. (and of course, there is the matter of what eating a piece of pizza does to you) (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own, not to others. I agree that may be true for some, the problem is that the Old Fraud and his organization, the Movement have always make outrageous unsupportable claims for the efficacy and benefits of of TM for EVERYONE. This gives people who know nothing about TM unreasonable expectations and sets them up for disappointment on many levels. If one reads and listens to the hype about TM and TMSP the existence of a mental/emotional state that would lead one to be a child molester should not be possible in someone who has done TMSP for decades. Yet it happens. If the TMO billed TM for what it actually is, instead of what they claim for it, I would never say a word. It is the fraud, the lies and the misuse of people that makes the TMO a fundamentally corrupt and disgusting organization. And the meditation itself is mediocre - it is not the superlative better than any other technique, superior to all others the Movement does and Marshy did claim that it is. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Good day lurking reporters, yes Stephen Collins, who has molested children, has been a TM advocate. So too has Father Gabriel Mejia been a TM advocate. And he has rescued hundreds of Columbian street children with TM central to his efforts. What reasonable conclusions can be drawn from these opposite stories? Perhaps that TM is a technique that can be of great benefit to some, and, on its own, not to others. From my own experience I'd say that TM is necessary for full psychological development. But in some cases, it is not sufficient. Nor is TM sufficient to heal a toothache. Or a broken finger. Or a floundering marriage. Again, in my own experience, I'd say TM is perfect for preparing the ground for healing. And I think of it as my only spiritual practice. What I do to deal with my Attachment Disorder, those I think of as my healing modalities. They are complementary to my TM practice. But they could never replace it. On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:04 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl And where are the TM apologists here on FFL on this revelation? Deadly silent! They have shifted into shoot the messenger mode. There is, after all, *nothing* they can say to apologize away one of the TMO's superstars being investigated for child molestation. So since they can't excuse it away, they'll try to distract from it by attacking you and anyone else who brings it up. Hadn't you noticed this trend? All of the lurking reporters have. From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 3:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Huh? I thought TM *automatically* made one a better person...in just a few years no less! Gee, maybe MMY was, shall we say, *embellishing* the supposed benefits? More hyperbole from the great one I guess! Today Stephen Collins, tomorrow, Raja Roger Ram? (and this is the highest teaching on the planet?) '7th Heaven' Dad Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl, Fallout Reaches Hollywood By Suzy Byrne https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/author/suzy-byrne-20131202/ https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/author/suzy-byrne-20131202/ Suzy Byrne https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/author/suzy-byrne-20131202/ See our Celebrity writer Suzy Byrne's profile on Yahoo Celebrity. View Suzy Byrne's latest posts. View
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And where are the TM apologists here on FFL on this revelation? Deadly silent! From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 3:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Huh? I thought TM *automatically* made one a better person...in just a few years no less! Gee, maybe MMY was, shall we say, *embellishing* the supposed benefits? More hyperbole from the great one I guess! Today Stephen Collins, tomorrow, Raja Roger Ram? (and this is the highest teaching on the planet?) '7th Heaven' Dad Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl, Fallout Reaches Hollywood By Suzy Byrne Suzy Byrne See our Celebrity writer Suzy Byrne's profile on Yahoo Celebrity. View Suzy Byrne's latest posts. View on celebrity.yahoo.com Preview by Yahoo View photo. Stephen Collins (Getty Images)Stephen Collins, who played minister and family man the Rev. Eric Camden on TV's 7th Heaven, confessed to his now ex-wife that he molested an underage girl and exposed himself to two others, prompting police on both coasts to examine his admission and Hollywood to distance itself from the actor. There is a formal complaint on file and the incident is being investigated by the Manhattan Special Victims Squad, the NYPD confirmed to The Insider With Yahoo.
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Let's face it, a dick is more powerful than a mantra.
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Stephen Collins is a pedophile with a long term pattern of sexually molesting children ... this according to Collins' wife. In the 2014 divorce docs -- obtained by TMZ -- Faye Grant claims Collins admitted that he had sexually molested 3 underage girls over a decade ago: At least two of these girls were molested over the course of several years. Grant says in a declaration, she is sickened by Stephen's actions. She says, I have urged Stephen multiple times to seek treatment for pedophilia, but he has refused to seek proper help or hospitalization for the predilection toward children. I guess Stephen decide to rely instead on his TMSP practice, yagyas and maybe some gem stones and suchlike. From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Let's face it, a dick is more powerful than a mantra.
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Nyuk, nyuk...I'd buy THAT; for a dollar!!
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Any day now, TM is gonna 'kick in' any day now!! This is what happens when you expect 'GOD' to do everything for you.NOTHING! God gives YOU the power to do it for yourself! Just a little teaching completely missing from the tmorg.
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you are a funny guy Michael. You are the guy who spends hours upon hours looking for negative article 20, 30, 40 years old about TM. You take any negative report on TM as gospel, rarely feeling the need for any vetting. So, now you have something substantial. Yes, an admitted child molester in our midst. So we deal with it. You're like that obnoxious guy at a sporting event telling everyone they should be standing up and shouting. You have little credibility Michael. You cry wolf just a tad too much. Like five or six times a day. We'll deal with it Michael, the way normal people do. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And where are the TM apologists here on FFL on this revelation? Deadly silent! From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 3:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Huh? I thought TM *automatically* made one a better person...in just a few years no less! Gee, maybe MMY was, shall we say, *embellishing* the supposed benefits? More hyperbole from the great one I guess! Today Stephen Collins, tomorrow, Raja Roger Ram? (and this is the highest teaching on the planet?) '7th Heaven' Dad Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl, Fallout Reaches Hollywood By Suzy Byrne https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/author/suzy-byrne-20131202/ https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/author/suzy-byrne-20131202/ Suzy Byrne https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/author/suzy-byrne-20131202/ See our Celebrity writer Suzy Byrne's profile on Yahoo Celebrity. View Suzy Byrne's latest posts. View on celebrity.yahoo.com https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/author/suzy-byrne-20131202/ Preview by Yahoo View photo . Stephen Collins (Getty Images) Stephen Collins, who played minister and family man the Rev. Eric Camden on TV's 7th Heaven, confessed to his now ex-wife that he molested an underage girl and exposed himself to two others, prompting police on both coasts to examine his admission and Hollywood to distance itself from the actor. There is a formal complaint on file and the incident is being investigated by the Manhattan Special Victims Squad, the NYPD confirmed to The Insider With Yahoo.
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well said. this is wisdom, and the case nine and a half times out of ten. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Let's face it, a dick is more powerful than a mantra.
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poor you Michael. I am not sure what it proves in your mind, but it sounds like you are just getting started with this. go for it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Stephen Collins is a pedophile with a long term pattern of sexually molesting children ... this according to Collins' wife. In the 2014 divorce docs -- obtained by TMZ -- Faye Grant claims Collins admitted that he had sexually molested 3 underage girls over a decade ago: At least two of these girls were molested over the course of several years. Grant says in a declaration, she is sickened by Stephen's actions. She says, I have urged Stephen multiple times to seek treatment for pedophilia, but he has refused to seek proper help or hospitalization for the predilection toward children. I guess Stephen decide to rely instead on his TMSP practice, yagyas and maybe some gem stones and suchlike. From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Stephen Collins Admits to Molesting Underage Girl Let's face it, a dick is more powerful than a mantra.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Let's face it, a dick is more powerful than a mantra. Well, maybe not a dick but what drives it is.
