Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

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And is the other powder people snort more sattvic because it's white?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And sugar the worst thing for it.
 
 On 10/01/2016 12:02 PM, emily.mae50@... mailto:emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   3 PM is when the afternoon coffee run is made and the cookies and candy 
dishes are raided in offices around the world.  

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 The energy drag around 3 PM is commonly know as when the adrenal glands start 
to poop out.  I've known about this for over 40 years. Sometimes a little snack 
will help.  What worked for me when I was working at a music store was chili 'n 
cheese fritos of all things.  Whole wheat bagels didn't help nor did Dr. 
Bonner's corn chips.  Back then those fritos didn't have MSG in them either.
 
 Ayurveda is only a partial solution and not that well understood. It's basic 
biochemistry.  Some sports doctors are better at solving these problems than 
GP's. 
 
 On 10/01/2016 10:53 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Energy level remains pretty good.  Don't have a choice, really.  Sometimes 
start to drag around 3:00, and look forward to around 5:00 when I can get a 
half hour of meditation in.

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 How's your energy level?  We spend years suppressing the sympathetic nervous 
system in fear of being rajasic.  So we become more imbalanced toward the 
parasympathetic side.  The whole yoga thing is to calm the sympathetic system 
but it's NOT supposed to weaken it.  Indian's don't have to worry as they are 
naturally sympathetic dominant but some of us westerners, particularly creative 
types tend to be more parasympathetic dominant.  We may have trouble getting 
out of bed in the morning, want to nap in the afternoon and eating like 
everyone else piles the weight on.  We need coffee more than beer.
 
 TM talks a lot about the autonomic nervous system but I few understand it any 
more than folks here actually understand the nature of politics. Zing!
 
 On 09/30/2016 07:01 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Obviously.  My eating habits have not changed much in thirty years, but 
weight gain has occurred.

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 As we get older with most people the metabolism slows down.  We become slow 
oxidizers and not just eating less and exercising more won't help. Often 
supplementation is needed to help restore the metabolism to more like it was in 
our younger years.
 
 On 09/30/2016 04:54 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Just some other thoughts, some directly related, some not.
 
 
 I'm not sure in what context you mean when you say, "any idea of what it's 
like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?"
 
 
 No, I don't.  I rarely ever have the feeling of being hungry, and I wish to 
felt that way more often. 
 
 
 No, I have never gone on a crash diet.  My ongoing plan to lose about 25 lbs 
is to eat less.  A little less all the time.  I am having some success but not 
much.  Losing weight, in my opinion must be coupled with some kind of exercise. 
 I have not been doing much of that lately, either.
 
 
 As to the other issues, which you put in a context, I would say, of 
exploitation of women, I would have no comment, except that I don't see 
anything changing there, short of the continuing campaign hi-lighting violence 
against women, or domestic abuse. That has become a more hi profile issue, 
deservedly so, of course.
 
 
 To put a damper on girls aspiring to win beauty contests, or become 
cheerleaders, I think is a misdirected objective that can detour into political 
correctness issues, which can also become extreme.

 
 
 By the way, do you regularly feel genuinely hungry?
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:salsunshineiniowa@... wrote :
 
 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

And sugar the worst thing for it.

On 10/01/2016 12:02 PM, emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


3 PM is when the afternoon coffee run is made and the cookies and 
candy dishes are raided in offices around the world.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

The energy drag around 3 PM is commonly know as when the adrenal 
glands start to poop out. I've known about this for over 40 years. 
Sometimes a little snack will help. What worked for me when I was 
working at a music store was chili 'n cheese fritos of all things.  
Whole wheat bagels didn't help nor did Dr. Bonner's corn chips.  Back 
then those fritos didn't have MSG in them either.


Ayurveda is only a partial solution and not that well understood. It's 
basic biochemistry.  Some sports doctors are better at solving these 
problems than GP's.


On 10/01/2016 10:53 AM, steve.sundur@...  
[FairfieldLife] wrote:



Energy level remains pretty good.  Don't have a choice, really.
 Sometimes start to drag around 3:00, and look forward to around
5:00 when I can get a half hour of meditation in.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :

How's your energy level?  We spend years suppressing the
sympathetic nervous system in fear of being rajasic.  So we
become more imbalanced toward the parasympathetic side.  The
whole yoga thing is to calm the sympathetic system but it's NOT
supposed to weaken it.  Indian's don't have to worry as they are
naturally sympathetic dominant but some of us westerners,
particularly creative types tend to be more parasympathetic
dominant.  We may have trouble getting out of bed in the morning,
want to nap in the afternoon and eating like everyone else piles
the weight on.  We need coffee more than beer.

TM talks a lot about the autonomic nervous system but I few
understand it any more than folks here actually understand the
nature of politics. Zing!

On 09/30/2016 07:01 PM, steve.sundur@...
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Obviously.  My eating habits have not changed much in thirty
years, but weight gain has occurred.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :

As we get older with most people the metabolism slows down. 
We become slow oxidizers and not just eating less and

exercising more won't help. Often supplementation is needed
to help restore the metabolism to more like it was in our
younger years.

On 09/30/2016 04:54 PM, steve.sundur@...
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Just some other thoughts, some directly related, some not.


I'm not sure in what context you mean when you say,
"any idea of what it's like to live with the feeling of
being constantly hungry?"

No, I don't.  I rarely ever have the feeling of being
hungry, and I wish to felt that way more often.

No, I have never gone on a crash diet.  My ongoing plan
to lose about 25 lbs is to eat less.  A little less all
the time.  I am having some success but not much.
 Losing weight, in my opinion must be coupled with some
kind of exercise.  I have not been doing much of that
lately, either.

As to the other issues, which you put in a context, I
would say, of exploitation of women, I would have no
comment, except that I don't see anything changing
there, short of the continuing campaign hi-lighting
violence against women, or domestic abuse. That has
become a more hi profile issue, deservedly so, of course.

To put a damper on girls aspiring to win beauty
contests, or become cheerleaders, I think is a
misdirected objective that can detour into political
correctness issues, which can also become extreme.

By the way, do you regularly feel genuinely hungry?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
,
 
wrote :

Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat
shaming…or shaming of any kind is... have you ever gone
on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what it’s
like to live with the feeling of being constantly
hungry?  Not to mention whatever plastic surgery they
feel they have to get for their one brief moment in the
sun.

Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by
accepting the role knowing she most likely 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

3 PM is when the afternoon coffee run is made and the cookies and candy dishes 
are raided in offices around the world.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The energy drag around 3 PM is commonly know as when the adrenal glands start 
to poop out.  I've known about this for over 40 years. Sometimes a little snack 
will help.  What worked for me when I was working at a music store was chili 'n 
cheese fritos of all things.  Whole wheat bagels didn't help nor did Dr. 
Bonner's corn chips.  Back then those fritos didn't have MSG in them either.
 
 Ayurveda is only a partial solution and not that well understood. It's basic 
biochemistry.  Some sports doctors are better at solving these problems than 
GP's. 
 
 On 10/01/2016 10:53 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Energy level remains pretty good.  Don't have a choice, really.  Sometimes 
start to drag around 3:00, and look forward to around 5:00 when I can get a 
half hour of meditation in.

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 How's your energy level?  We spend years suppressing the sympathetic nervous 
system in fear of being rajasic.  So we become more imbalanced toward the 
parasympathetic side.  The whole yoga thing is to calm the sympathetic system 
but it's NOT supposed to weaken it.  Indian's don't have to worry as they are 
naturally sympathetic dominant but some of us westerners, particularly creative 
types tend to be more parasympathetic dominant.  We may have trouble getting 
out of bed in the morning, want to nap in the afternoon and eating like 
everyone else piles the weight on.  We need coffee more than beer.
 
 TM talks a lot about the autonomic nervous system but I few understand it any 
more than folks here actually understand the nature of politics. Zing!
 
 On 09/30/2016 07:01 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Obviously.  My eating habits have not changed much in thirty years, but 
weight gain has occurred.

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 As we get older with most people the metabolism slows down.  We become slow 
oxidizers and not just eating less and exercising more won't help. Often 
supplementation is needed to help restore the metabolism to more like it was in 
our younger years.
 
 On 09/30/2016 04:54 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Just some other thoughts, some directly related, some not.
 
 
 I'm not sure in what context you mean when you say, "any idea of what it's 
like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?"
 
 
 No, I don't.  I rarely ever have the feeling of being hungry, and I wish to 
felt that way more often. 
 
 
 No, I have never gone on a crash diet.  My ongoing plan to lose about 25 lbs 
is to eat less.  A little less all the time.  I am having some success but not 
much.  Losing weight, in my opinion must be coupled with some kind of exercise. 
 I have not been doing much of that lately, either.
 
 
 As to the other issues, which you put in a context, I would say, of 
exploitation of women, I would have no comment, except that I don't see 
anything changing there, short of the continuing campaign hi-lighting violence 
against women, or domestic abuse. That has become a more hi profile issue, 
deservedly so, of course.
 
 
 To put a damper on girls aspiring to win beauty contests, or become 
cheerleaders, I think is a misdirected objective that can detour into political 
correctness issues, which can also become extreme.

 
 
 By the way, do you regularly feel genuinely hungry?
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:salsunshineiniowa@... wrote :
 
 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

The energy drag around 3 PM is commonly know as when the adrenal glands 
start to poop out.  I've known about this for over 40 years. Sometimes a 
little snack will help. What worked for me when I was working at a music 
store was chili 'n cheese fritos of all things.  Whole wheat bagels 
didn't help nor did Dr. Bonner's corn chips.  Back then those fritos 
didn't have MSG in them either.


Ayurveda is only a partial solution and not that well understood. It's 
basic biochemistry.  Some sports doctors are better at solving these 
problems than GP's.


On 10/01/2016 10:53 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Energy level remains pretty good.  Don't have a choice, really. 
 Sometimes start to drag around 3:00, and look forward to around 5:00 
when I can get a half hour of meditation in.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

How's your energy level?  We spend years suppressing the sympathetic 
nervous system in fear of being rajasic.  So we become more imbalanced 
toward the parasympathetic side.  The whole yoga thing is to calm the 
sympathetic system but it's NOT supposed to weaken it.  Indian's don't 
have to worry as they are naturally sympathetic dominant but some of 
us westerners, particularly creative types tend to be more 
parasympathetic dominant.  We may have trouble getting out of bed in 
the morning, want to nap in the afternoon and eating like everyone 
else piles the weight on.  We need coffee more than beer.


TM talks a lot about the autonomic nervous system but I few understand 
it any more than folks here actually understand the nature of 
politics. Zing!


On 09/30/2016 07:01 PM, steve.sundur@...  
[FairfieldLife] wrote:



Obviously.  My eating habits have not changed much in thirty
years, but weight gain has occurred.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :

As we get older with most people the metabolism slows down.  We
become slow oxidizers and not just eating less and exercising
more won't help. Often supplementation is needed to help restore
the metabolism to more like it was in our younger years.

On 09/30/2016 04:54 PM, steve.sundur@...
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Just some other thoughts, some directly related, some not.


I'm not sure in what context you mean when you say, "any
idea of what it's like to live with the feeling of being
constantly hungry?"

No, I don't.  I rarely ever have the feeling of being
hungry, and I wish to felt that way more often.

No, I have never gone on a crash diet.  My ongoing plan to
lose about 25 lbs is to eat less.  A little less all the
time.  I am having some success but not much.  Losing
weight, in my opinion must be coupled with some kind of
exercise.  I have not been doing much of that lately, either.

As to the other issues, which you put in a context, I would
say, of exploitation of women, I would have no comment,
except that I don't see anything changing there, short of
the continuing campaign hi-lighting violence against women,
or domestic abuse. That has become a more hi profile issue,
deservedly so, of course.

To put a damper on girls aspiring to win beauty contests, or
become cheerleaders, I think is a misdirected objective that
can detour into political correctness issues, which can also
become extreme.

By the way, do you regularly feel genuinely hungry?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
,
  wrote :

Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat
shaming…or shaming of any kind is... have you ever gone on a
crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what it’s like to live
with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for
their one brief moment in the sun.

Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting
the role knowing she most likely couldn’t keep up
appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” is built on
someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they
all do to one extent or another and that seems to be just
fine with Trump, the “owner” of the contest? And isn’t it
time to start wondering when we’re going to finally retire
and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of
fake femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty,
all built on these very young and most likely desperate
women doing things to their bodies that used 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Energy level remains pretty good.  Don't have a choice, really.  Sometimes 
start to drag around 3:00, and look forward to around 5:00 when I can get a 
half hour of meditation in.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 How's your energy level?  We spend years suppressing the sympathetic nervous 
system in fear of being rajasic.  So we become more imbalanced toward the 
parasympathetic side.  The whole yoga thing is to calm the sympathetic system 
but it's NOT supposed to weaken it.  Indian's don't have to worry as they are 
naturally sympathetic dominant but some of us westerners, particularly creative 
types tend to be more parasympathetic dominant.  We may have trouble getting 
out of bed in the morning, want to nap in the afternoon and eating like 
everyone else piles the weight on.  We need coffee more than beer.
 
 TM talks a lot about the autonomic nervous system but I few understand it any 
more than folks here actually understand the nature of politics. Zing!
 
 On 09/30/2016 07:01 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Obviously.  My eating habits have not changed much in thirty years, but 
weight gain has occurred.

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 As we get older with most people the metabolism slows down.  We become slow 
oxidizers and not just eating less and exercising more won't help. Often 
supplementation is needed to help restore the metabolism to more like it was in 
our younger years.
 
 On 09/30/2016 04:54 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Just some other thoughts, some directly related, some not.
 
 
 I'm not sure in what context you mean when you say, "any idea of what it's 
like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?"
 
 
 No, I don't.  I rarely ever have the feeling of being hungry, and I wish to 
felt that way more often. 
 
 
 No, I have never gone on a crash diet.  My ongoing plan to lose about 25 lbs 
is to eat less.  A little less all the time.  I am having some success but not 
much.  Losing weight, in my opinion must be coupled with some kind of exercise. 
 I have not been doing much of that lately, either.
 
 
 As to the other issues, which you put in a context, I would say, of 
exploitation of women, I would have no comment, except that I don't see 
anything changing there, short of the continuing campaign hi-lighting violence 
against women, or domestic abuse. That has become a more hi profile issue, 
deservedly so, of course.
 
 
 To put a damper on girls aspiring to win beauty contests, or become 
cheerleaders, I think is a misdirected objective that can detour into political 
correctness issues, which can also become extreme.

 
 
 By the way, do you regularly feel genuinely hungry?
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:salsunshineiniowa@... wrote :
 
 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



 On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 
 
 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

How's your energy level?  We spend years suppressing the sympathetic 
nervous system in fear of being rajasic.  So we become more imbalanced 
toward the parasympathetic side.  The whole yoga thing is to calm the 
sympathetic system but it's NOT supposed to weaken it.  Indian's don't 
have to worry as they are naturally sympathetic dominant but some of us 
westerners, particularly creative types tend to be more parasympathetic 
dominant.  We may have trouble getting out of bed in the morning, want 
to nap in the afternoon and eating like everyone else piles the weight 
on.  We need coffee more than beer.


TM talks a lot about the autonomic nervous system but I few understand 
it any more than folks here actually understand the nature of politics. 
Zing!


On 09/30/2016 07:01 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Obviously.  My eating habits have not changed much in thirty years, 
but weight gain has occurred.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

As we get older with most people the metabolism slows down.  We become 
slow oxidizers and not just eating less and exercising more won't 
help. Often supplementation is needed to help restore the metabolism 
to more like it was in our younger years.


On 09/30/2016 04:54 PM, steve.sundur@...  
[FairfieldLife] wrote:



Just some other thoughts, some directly related, some not.


I'm not sure in what context you mean when you say, "any idea of
what it's like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?"

No, I don't.  I rarely ever have the feeling of being hungry, and
I wish to felt that way more often.

No, I have never gone on a crash diet.  My ongoing plan to lose
about 25 lbs is to eat less.  A little less all the time.  I am
having some success but not much.  Losing weight, in my opinion
must be coupled with some kind of exercise.  I have not been
doing much of that lately, either.

As to the other issues, which you put in a context, I would say,
of exploitation of women, I would have no comment, except that I
don't see anything changing there, short of the continuing
campaign hi-lighting violence against women, or domestic abuse.
That has become a more hi profile issue, deservedly so, of course.

To put a damper on girls aspiring to win beauty contests, or
become cheerleaders, I think is a misdirected objective that can
detour into political correctness issues, which can also become
extreme.

By the way, do you regularly feel genuinely hungry?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :

Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or
shaming of any kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do
you have any idea of what it’s like to live with the feeling of
being constantly hungry?  Not to mention whatever plastic surgery
they feel they have to get for their one brief moment in the sun.

Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the
role knowing she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But
when someone’s “investment” is built on someone else denying
themselves, for a whole year, basic sustenance, isn’t that
already a major deception? That they all do to one extent or
another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of
the contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re
going to finally retire and put to bed, permanently, such
horrendous examples of fake femininity, fake male dominance, fake
ideals of beauty, all built on these very young and most likely
desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to be the
stuff of science fiction.

The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most
likely just started eating normally again, or however normally
you can after doing whatever it is someone feels they need to do
to whittle themselves down to a stick.

Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching
someone like Trump cavort and play mind games with these
basically starving young women, all vying for his attention,
while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he decides which
of them to make his plaything for the next year.


Sal


On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@...
 [FairfieldLife]
> wrote:



if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go
on to gain 60 lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are
fulfilling the obligation for that title.  There is a certain
expectation of physical appearance that I would think would go
along with that role.


Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that
person, but I can 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Actually, no snacking during the day, but generally a calorie rich diet. FWIW.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well then, I would call you disciplined.  I eat two meals a day and snack in 
between, and have a soda habit that I have discussed here often.  I don't often 
feel that my stomach is empty, and judging by most people I see, I don't think 
they do either.  It sounds like you have a healthy weight, and you exercise.   

 If you feel that is typical of most people, then you must live in a community 
where good habits are more in evidence.
 

 Is Fairfield like that?
 

 Oh, am I sick?  I don't think so. The battery of tests I underwent with my 
plane episode came back indicating no issues.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are you kidding Steve??  Of course I feel “genuinely" hungry!  (What other 
kind of hunger is there?) Every day, usually about 4-5 hours after I eat a 
regular meal, and my stomach is once more empty.  Especially if I’ve gotten a 
fair amount of exercise, then it might be sooner. Making sure I eat enough 
protein with each meal helps keep the hunger pangs away for a bit longer. 

 I’m not sure I understand why you don’t, and if you really don’t, why losing 
weight is an issue.
 

 You’re not sick are you?
 
 Sal 
 

 




On Sep 30, 2016, at 6:54 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

Just some other thoughts, some directly related, some not. 

 I'm not sure in what context you mean when you say, "any idea of what it's 
like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?"
 

 No, I don't.  I rarely ever have the feeling of being hungry, and I wish to 
felt that way more often. 
 

 No, I have never gone on a crash diet.  My ongoing plan to lose about 25 lbs 
is to eat less.  A little less all the time.  I am having some success but not 
much.  Losing weight, in my opinion must be coupled with some kind of exercise. 
 I have not been doing much of that lately, either.
 

 As to the other issues, which you put in a context, I would say, of 
exploitation of women, I would have no comment, except that I don't see 
anything changing there, short of the continuing campaign hi-lighting violence 
against women, or domestic abuse. That has become a more hi profile issue, 
deservedly so, of course.
 

 To put a damper on girls aspiring to win beauty contests, or become 
cheerleaders, I think is a misdirected objective that can detour into political 
correctness issues, which can also become extreme.

 

 By the way, do you regularly feel genuinely hungry?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Obviously.  My eating habits have not changed much in thirty years, but weight 
gain has occurred.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As we get older with most people the metabolism slows down.  We become slow 
oxidizers and not just eating less and exercising more won't help. Often 
supplementation is needed to help restore the metabolism to more like it was in 
our younger years.
 
 On 09/30/2016 04:54 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Just some other thoughts, some directly related, some not.
 
 
 I'm not sure in what context you mean when you say, "any idea of what it's 
like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?"
 
 
 No, I don't.  I rarely ever have the feeling of being hungry, and I wish to 
felt that way more often. 
 
 
 No, I have never gone on a crash diet.  My ongoing plan to lose about 25 lbs 
is to eat less.  A little less all the time.  I am having some success but not 
much.  Losing weight, in my opinion must be coupled with some kind of exercise. 
 I have not been doing much of that lately, either.
 
 
 As to the other issues, which you put in a context, I would say, of 
exploitation of women, I would have no comment, except that I don't see 
anything changing there, short of the continuing campaign hi-lighting violence 
against women, or domestic abuse. That has become a more hi profile issue, 
deservedly so, of course.
 
 
 To put a damper on girls aspiring to win beauty contests, or become 
cheerleaders, I think is a misdirected objective that can detour into political 
correctness issues, which can also become extreme.

 
 
 By the way, do you regularly feel genuinely hungry?
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:salsunshineiniowa@... wrote :
 
 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



 On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 
 
 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 
 
 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?
 
 


 





 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Well then, I would call you disciplined.  I eat two meals a day and snack in 
between, and have a soda habit that I have discussed here often.  I don't often 
feel that my stomach is empty, and judging by most people I see, I don't think 
they do either.  It sounds like you have a healthy weight, and you exercise.   

 If you feel that is typical of most people, then you must live in a community 
where good habits are more in evidence.
 

 Is Fairfield like that?
 

 Oh, am I sick?  I don't think so. The battery of tests I underwent with my 
plane episode came back indicating no issues.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are you kidding Steve??  Of course I feel “genuinely" hungry!  (What other 
kind of hunger is there?) Every day, usually about 4-5 hours after I eat a 
regular meal, and my stomach is once more empty.  Especially if I’ve gotten a 
fair amount of exercise, then it might be sooner. Making sure I eat enough 
protein with each meal helps keep the hunger pangs away for a bit longer. 

 I’m not sure I understand why you don’t, and if you really don’t, why losing 
weight is an issue.
 

 You’re not sick are you?
 
 Sal 
 

 




On Sep 30, 2016, at 6:54 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

Just some other thoughts, some directly related, some not. 

 I'm not sure in what context you mean when you say, "any idea of what it's 
like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?"
 

 No, I don't.  I rarely ever have the feeling of being hungry, and I wish to 
felt that way more often. 
 

 No, I have never gone on a crash diet.  My ongoing plan to lose about 25 lbs 
is to eat less.  A little less all the time.  I am having some success but not 
much.  Losing weight, in my opinion must be coupled with some kind of exercise. 
 I have not been doing much of that lately, either.
 

 As to the other issues, which you put in a context, I would say, of 
exploitation of women, I would have no comment, except that I don't see 
anything changing there, short of the continuing campaign hi-lighting violence 
against women, or domestic abuse. That has become a more hi profile issue, 
deservedly so, of course.
 

 To put a damper on girls aspiring to win beauty contests, or become 
cheerleaders, I think is a misdirected objective that can detour into political 
correctness issues, which can also become extreme.

 

 By the way, do you regularly feel genuinely hungry?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 









 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Of course
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, the majority consensus of people who screw up and embarrass themselves 
when they get in an argument with me, as you've done so often. No surprise 
there.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You're pretty weird, Judy, and live in weird world where you twist things 
around to suit your needs.  Nothing new, of course, but pretty much makes 
normal dialog with you impossible. Of course that's been the consensus for as 
long as you've been on these groups.  At least the majority consensus. 

 But, as a study of certain kind of twisted dysfunctionality, you are 
interesting.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Strange, the misconceptions people live with.  
 

 If I had to hazard a guess, I would say it indicates the inability to hold 
opposing points of view in one's mind. 
 

 Sorta like, "If I can't do it, no one can"

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Actually, I support the female candidate. Hillary looked fantastic on the 
debate stage, while Trump looked like some old guy you might see in a corner of 
a bar somewhere, talking too loudly and generally being a boor. Hillary was 
sharp and poised, completely in charge of her material and her emotions. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 When push comes to shove, the men here are going to support the male 
candidate. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Christ, listen to yourself.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 I have no idea how much she gained but have you ever known a woman to tell the 
truth about her weight or weight gain?
 

 What? What universe do you live in? I will tell anyone my age, my weight or 
pretty much anything else they want to know. I've never been coy like that. 
BTW, I'm 5'4", weigh 141 lbs and will turn 60 on November 5. 
 

 How much do you weigh Judy?
 The fact is, she was under contract to have a certain appearance for a year. 
Height/weight proportionality was a part of it.She couldn't live up to her 
obligation. Sorry, that's just the way it is.
 

 You don't know what her obligations were until you read the contract. And 
certainly no one needs to be berated by a hypocritical misogynist like Trump in 
order to tow some line he determines is her responsibility to tow. It's 
bullshit. A real professional frames their words and their need to communicate 
with another by being respectful and sensitive to other human beings. His crass 
and obnoxious approach to Machado was unnecessary and the sign of a power 
hungry asshole.
 

 Hillary brought this up and into the public to exploit an *issue*. If Machado 
is feeling any pain over this, it was Hillary that ripped off the scab for her 
benefit.
 The *horses* mouth? Isn't that a little insensitive? 

 
 


 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
 
 
   Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on 
the internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a cert

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

As we get older with most people the metabolism slows down.  We become 
slow oxidizers and not just eating less and exercising more won't help. 
Often supplementation is needed to help restore the metabolism to more 
like it was in our younger years.


On 09/30/2016 04:54 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Just some other thoughts, some directly related, some not.


I'm not sure in what context you mean when you say, "any idea of what 
it's like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?"


No, I don't.  I rarely ever have the feeling of being hungry, and I 
wish to felt that way more often.


No, I have never gone on a crash diet.  My ongoing plan to lose about 
25 lbs is to eat less.  A little less all the time.  I am having some 
success but not much.  Losing weight, in my opinion must be coupled 
with some kind of exercise.  I have not been doing much of that 
lately, either.


As to the other issues, which you put in a context, I would say, of 
exploitation of women, I would have no comment, except that I don't 
see anything changing there, short of the continuing campaign 
hi-lighting violence against women, or domestic abuse. That has become 
a more hi profile issue, deservedly so, of course.


To put a damper on girls aspiring to win beauty contests, or become 
cheerleaders, I think is a misdirected objective that can detour into 
political correctness issues, which can also become extreme.


By the way, do you regularly feel genuinely hungry?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or 
shaming of any kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you 
have any idea of what it’s like to live with the feeling of being 
constantly hungry?  Not to mention whatever plastic surgery they feel 
they have to get for their one brief moment in the sun.


Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role 
knowing she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when 
someone’s “investment” is built on someone else denying themselves, 
for a whole year, basic sustenance, isn’t that already a major 
deception? That they all do to one extent or another and that seems to 
be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the contest? And isn’t it time 
to start wondering when we’re going to finally retire and put to bed, 
permanently, such horrendous examples of fake femininity, fake male 
dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very young and 
most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.


The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely 
just started eating normally again, or however normally you can after 
doing whatever it is someone feels they need to do to whittle 
themselves down to a stick.


Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching 
someone like Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically 
starving young women, all vying for his attention, while he goes back 
to the next lavish buffet as he decides which of them to make his 
plaything for the next year.



Sal


On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... 
 [FairfieldLife] 
> 
wrote:




if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to 
gain 60 lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the 
obligation for that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical 
appearance that I would think would go along with that role.



Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, 
but I can understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[Sal Sunshine salsunshineini...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

Are you kidding Steve??  Of course I feel “genuinely" hungry!  (What other kind 
of hunger is there?) Every day, usually about 4-5 hours after I eat a regular 
meal, and my stomach is once more empty.  Especially if I’ve gotten a fair 
amount of exercise, then it might be sooner. Making sure I eat enough protein 
with each meal helps keep the hunger pangs away for a bit longer.

I’m not sure I understand why you don’t, and if you really don’t, why losing 
weight is an issue.

You’re not sick are you?

Sal 



On Sep 30, 2016, at 6:54 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
 wrote:



Just some other thoughts, some directly related, some not.

I'm not sure in what context you mean when you say, "any idea of what it's like 
to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?"

No, I don't.  I rarely ever have the feeling of being hungry, and I wish to 
felt that way more often. 

No, I have never gone on a crash diet.  My ongoing plan to lose about 25 lbs is 
to eat less.  A little less all the time.  I am having some success but not 
much.  Losing weight, in my opinion must be coupled with some kind of exercise. 
 I have not been doing much of that lately, either.

As to the other issues, which you put in a context, I would say, of 
exploitation of women, I would have no comment, except that I don't see 
anything changing there, short of the continuing campaign hi-lighting violence 
against women, or domestic abuse. That has become a more hi profile issue, 
deservedly so, of course.

To put a damper on girls aspiring to win beauty contests, or become 
cheerleaders, I think is a misdirected objective that can detour into political 
correctness issues, which can also become extreme.

By the way, do you regularly feel genuinely hungry?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , 
 wrote :

Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun.

Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.

The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.

Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.


Sal 


On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@...  
[FairfieldLife] > wrote:



if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.



Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Just some other thoughts, some directly related, some not. 

 I'm not sure in what context you mean when you say, "any idea of what it's 
like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?"
 

 No, I don't.  I rarely ever have the feeling of being hungry, and I wish to 
felt that way more often. 
 

 No, I have never gone on a crash diet.  My ongoing plan to lose about 25 lbs 
is to eat less.  A little less all the time.  I am having some success but not 
much.  Losing weight, in my opinion must be coupled with some kind of exercise. 
 I have not been doing much of that lately, either.
 

 As to the other issues, which you put in a context, I would say, of 
exploitation of women, I would have no comment, except that I don't see 
anything changing there, short of the continuing campaign hi-lighting violence 
against women, or domestic abuse. That has become a more hi profile issue, 
deservedly so, of course.
 

 To put a damper on girls aspiring to win beauty contests, or become 
cheerleaders, I think is a misdirected objective that can detour into political 
correctness issues, which can also become extreme.

 

 By the way, do you regularly feel genuinely hungry?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[feste37]

What strikes me about this is Trump's sheer stupidity. Hillary carefully laid a 
trap for him and he fell right into it—and is still digging himself deeper into 
a hole. In contrast, note how in the debate Trump also tried to goad Hillary, 
but she easily resisted the bait. Trump is clearly a weak individual who cannot 
control his own emotions, whereas Hillary is mistress of hers.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 No... the New York Times represents Hillary. They do it on *her* behalf. 
Hillary goes on to insinuate that Trump disrespects *all* women based on a few 
women's negative experiences. He's a *woman hater*! Yeah, yeah, that's the 
ticket! Just because a person has conflict with a few people in a demographic, 
doesn't mean that they are bigoted towards that demographic.
 I doubt he was really trying to get her to address her weight problem. More 
likely he was trying to *encourage* her to resign her position. If I were an 
embarrassment to my employer, I don't think I would want to work for him/her 
and quit. So the New York Times takes advantage of the situation and dredges up 
the old story for Hillary to exploit. Consequently, Machado gets some sense of 
satisfaction, while her name is drug through the mud again. She becomes a 
martyr for the cause. I wouldn't be surprised if the Clinton Foundation has 
made a significant *contribution* towards her.
 


 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 2:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
 
 
   Notice Mike's misrepresentation: Machado *herself* brought this Trump 
incident up to the New York Times a few months ago, before Hillary ever 
mentioned it. Machado, far from not wanting to be put "through it all over 
again," is delighted that it's getting publicity.
 

 And Trump, needless to say, has been behaving like an utter a'hole about it 
since the debate.
 

 In any case, whether she had an obligation to maintain her winning weight 
isn't the real issue. The real issue is how Trump treated her when she gained a 
few pounds, publicly fat-shaming her, calling her names, disparaging her 
ethnicity, making her work out in front of umpty television cameras, 
deliberately humiliating her. None of that cruelty was necessary to correct any 
weight problem.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emily.mae50@...> wrote :

 Thanks for reading the article, Mike.   

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Emily, I read the article and don't have her contract to read, nor am I 
lawyer. However, most jobs involving a certain appearance, such as this, will 
not tolerate a significant weight gain.
 Machado  doesn't have a *right* to her *crown*. She was selected for a certain 
appearance and couldn't maintain it. Everybody lost on this, both her and the 
Pageant. 

 I doubt that you would find an NFL cheerleader more than 5 pounds overweight. 
I have a niece that was about 5-10 pounds over her ideal weight when she tried 
out for a *drill squad*position with her high school. She had worked very hard 
to get a few more pounds off before the try outs but those last few were too 
hard. She didn't make the squad and was very upset about it. I'm sure it hurt 
her self esteem but life goes on.
 Hillary dredged this up for her own gain and is putting this woman through it 
all over again.
 


 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

 
   Please look at this article.  It's a quick read.  
 

 Did Alicia Machado Breach ‘Weight Clause’ as Trump Campaign Claims? 
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html?soc_src=mail_trk=ma
 
 
 
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html?soc_src=mail_trk=ma
 
 Did Alicia Machado Breach ‘Weight Clause’ as Trump... 
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html?soc_src=mail_trk=ma
 Alicia Machado has largely been the focus of campaign news this week. The 
Trump camp claims she breached her Miss Universe contract — pageant experts d...


 
 View on www.yahoo.com 
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html?soc_src=mail_trk=ma
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 I have no idea how much she gained but have you ever known a woman to tell the 
truth about her weight or weight gain?
 How much do you weigh Judy?
 The fact is, she was under contract to have a certain appearance for a year. 
Height/weight proportionality was a part of it.S

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 No... the New York Times represents Hillary.
 

 Wrong. The NY Times does not "represent" Hillary. All you ever read is your 
right-wing garbage, which you never question, or you'd know that Hillary's 
supporters and admirers have been pissed off at the Times for *years*, and 
super-pissed off when she began campaigning, at the Times' bias against her.
 

 But the Times loathes Trump even more than it loathes Hillary.
 

 They do it on *her* behalf. Hillary goes on to insinuate that Trump 
disrespects *all* women based on a few women's negative experiences. He's a 
*woman hater*! Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket!
 

 She's never called him a "woman hater." She's pointed out, as have many 
others, that he tends to treat women disrespectfully.
 

 Just because a person has conflict with a few people in a demographic, doesn't 
mean that they are bigoted towards that demographic.
 

 It's not a matter of "conflicts." It's a matter of a longstanding habit of 
disrespect toward women.
 
 I doubt he was really trying to get her to address her weight problem. More 
likely he was trying to *encourage* her to resign her position.
 

 According to Trump himself, he *saved her from being fired*.
 

 If I were an embarrassment to my employer, I don't think I would want to work 
for him/her and quit. So the New York Times takes advantage of the situation 
and dredges up the old story for Hillary to exploit.
 

 The Times didn't "dredge up" anything. They did a long story on Trump's 
treatment of women. They interviewed a lot of women (including, for "balance," 
several women who said he treated them well) besides Machado. I gave you the 
link, but once again you didn't bother to read the article. Might disturb your 
preconceptions. Can't have that, can we?
 

 Had nothing to do with Hillary. The Times is on a crusade against Trump, and 
this story was part of it.
 

 Consequently, Machado gets some sense of satisfaction, while her name is drug 
through the mud again. She becomes a martyr for the cause. I wouldn't be 
surprised if the Clinton Foundation has made a significant *contribution* 
towards her.

 

 Bullsh*t. The Clinton Foundation doesn't contribute money to individuals.
 

 You're making a yge mess of this issue, Mike. You don't know what you're 
talking about, and you're making stuff up right and left only to have it 
knocked down. With friends like you, Trump doesn't need enemies.
 

 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 2:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
 
 
   Notice Mike's misrepresentation: Machado *herself* brought this Trump 
incident up to the New York Times a few months ago, before Hillary ever 
mentioned it. Machado, far from not wanting to be put "through it all over 
again," is delighted that it's getting publicity.
 

 And Trump, needless to say, has been behaving like an utter a'hole about it 
since the debate.
 

 In any case, whether she had an obligation to maintain her winning weight 
isn't the real issue. The real issue is how Trump treated her when she gained a 
few pounds, publicly fat-shaming her, calling her names, disparaging her 
ethnicity, making her work out in front of umpty television cameras, 
deliberately humiliating her. None of that cruelty was necessary to correct any 
weight problem.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emily.mae50@...> wrote :

 Thanks for reading the article, Mike.   

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Emily, I read the article and don't have her contract to read, nor am I 
lawyer. However, most jobs involving a certain appearance, such as this, will 
not tolerate a significant weight gain.
 Machado  doesn't have a *right* to her *crown*. She was selected for a certain 
appearance and couldn't maintain it. Everybody lost on this, both her and the 
Pageant. 

 I doubt that you would find an NFL cheerleader more than 5 pounds overweight. 
I have a niece that was about 5-10 pounds over her ideal weight when she tried 
out for a *drill squad*position with her high school. She had worked very hard 
to get a few more pounds off before the try outs but those last few were too 
hard. She didn't make the squad and was very upset about it. I'm sure it hurt 
her self esteem but life goes on.
 Hillary dredged this up for her own gain and is putting this woman through it 
all over again.
 


 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

 
   Please look at this article.  It's a quick read.  
 

 Did Alicia Machado Breach ‘Weight Clause’ as Trump Campaign Claims? 
https://www.yahoo.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Rape and indecent exposure are not *indiscretions*! They are criminal!


  From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 4:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
   
    


MD,
In Yahoo News today, Bianna Golodriga addresses the same issues we're 
discussing here.  She fears that Trump might drag past issues with Bill 
Clinton's indiscretions and blame Hillary for these in the next debate.  If he 
does, we wonder how the American public will react to it.  Will he keep his 
mouth shut or take Rudy Giuliani's unsolicited advice?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-tweets-alicia-machado-134018710.html
Whatever the case will be, these presidential debates will apparently become 
entertaining, as well as an academic study on how NOT to lose an American 
election during the digital age and the internet.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

Please John,if Trump despises foreigners, Muslims and women, then Hillary loves 
Jihadists.
You're making a blanket statement.Trump wants our borders and immigration laws 
respected. He wants people from areas of conflict, better vetted before 
immigrating here,.so do tens of millions and maybe hundreds of millions of 
Americans.
How do you know he doesn't like women that don't fit his criteria of beauty? A 
lot of money was wasted/waisted naming Machodo Miss Universe and she didn't 
live up to the image expected.The feud between Trump and Rosie goes way back. 
That doesn't mean he doesn't like and admire other women.
I guess, if you don't like a person, that person can then say you hate everyone 
like them in their demographic, whatever it is. If you don't like Obama, then 
it must be because you're a racist. His ideology would have absolutely nothing 
to do with it, right?Fat shaming? I don't know how a three hundred pound man 
can seriously  shame anyone's weight. I guess that gives Hillary the *fat* vote.

  From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
 
 

Trump is acting just as his jyotish chart is showing.  He despises foreigners, 
particularly Mexicans and Muslims.  He does not like women who does not fit his 
criteria for beauty.  Thus, he "fat shames" Rosie O'Donnell, the comedian, and 
Alicia Machado, the former Miss Universe.  In short, he has a very powerful 
Shakti Yoga, as Hitler did, which can negatively affect the entire US 
population, if he gets elected.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

Hillary looked fantastic on the debate stage, while Trump looked likesome old 
guy you might see in a corner of a bar somewhere, talking tooloudly and 
generally being a boor. Hillary was sharp and poised,completely in charge of 
her material and her emotions. 

*Fantastic*? No, she really looked smug and arrogant.She is already very 
*unlikable*. That did not help her public image. 
  From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

 Actually, I support the female candidate. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

When push comes to shove, the men here are going to support the male candidate.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emily.mae50@...> wrote :

Christ, listen to yourself.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is?


---

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

No... the New York Times represents Hillary. They do it on *her* behalf. 
Hillary goes on to insinuate that Trump disrespects *all* women based on a few 
women's negative experiences. He's a *woman hater*! Yeah, yeah, that's the 
ticket! Just because a person has conflict with a few people in a demographic, 
doesn't mean that they are bigoted towards that demographic.
I doubt he was really trying to get her to address her weight problem. More 
likely he was trying to *encourage* her to resign her position. If I were an 
embarrassment to my employer, I don't think I would want to work for him/her 
and quit. So the New York Times takes advantage of the situation and dredges up 
the old story for Hillary to exploit. Consequently, Machado gets some sense of 
satisfaction, while her name is drug through the mud again. She becomes a 
martyr for the cause. I wouldn't be surprised if the Clinton Foundation has 
made a significant *contribution* towards her.

  From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 2:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
   
    Notice Mike's misrepresentation: Machado *herself* brought this Trump 
incident up to the New York Times a few months ago, before Hillary ever 
mentioned it. Machado, far from not wanting to be put "through it all over 
again," is delighted that it's getting publicity.
And Trump, needless to say, has been behaving like an utter a'hole about it 
since the debate.
In any case, whether she had an obligation to maintain her winning weight isn't 
the real issue. The real issue is how Trump treated her when she gained a few 
pounds, publicly fat-shaming her, calling her names, disparaging her ethnicity, 
making her work out in front of umpty television cameras, deliberately 
humiliating her. None of that cruelty was necessary to correct any weight 
problem.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emily.mae50@...> wrote :

Thanks for reading the article, Mike.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

Emily, I read the article and don't have her contract to read, nor am I lawyer. 
However, most jobs involving a certain appearance, such as this, will not 
tolerate a significant weight gain.Machado  doesn't have a *right* to her 
*crown*. She was selected for a certain appearance and couldn't maintain it. 
Everybody lost on this, both her and the Pageant. 
I doubt that you would find an NFL cheerleader more than 5 pounds overweight. I 
have a niece that was about 5-10 pounds over her ideal weight when she tried 
out for a *drill squad*position with her high school. She had worked very hard 
to get a few more pounds off before the try outs but those last few were too 
hard. She didn't make the squad and was very upset about it. I'm sure it hurt 
her self esteem but life goes on.Hillary dredged this up for her own gain and 
is putting this woman through it all over again.

  From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
 
 Please look at this article.  It's a quick read.      
Did Alicia Machado Breach ‘Weight Clause’ as Trump Campaign Claims?
|  |
|  | |  | Did Alicia Machado Breach ‘Weight Clause’ as Trump... Alicia 
Machado has largely been the focus of campaign news this week. The Trump camp 
claims she breached her Miss Universe contract — pageant experts d... |  |
| View on www.yahoo.com|   Preview by Yahoo  |
|  |

  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

I have no idea how much she gained but have you ever known a woman to tell the 
truth about her weight or weight gain?How much do you weigh Judy?The fact is, 
she was under contract to have a certain appearance for a year. Height/weight 
proportionality was a part of it.She couldn't live up to her obligation. Sorry, 
that's just the way it is.Hillary brought this up and into the public to 
exploit an *issue*. If Machado is feeling any pain over this, it was Hillary 
that ripped off the scab for her benefit.The *horses* mouth? Isn't that a 
little insensitive? 


  From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoog

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

 

 MD,
 

 In Yahoo News today, Bianna Golodriga addresses the same issues we're 
discussing here.  She fears that Trump might drag past issues with Bill 
Clinton's indiscretions and blame Hillary for these in the next debate.  If he 
does, we wonder how the American public will react to it.  Will he keep his 
mouth shut or take Rudy Giuliani's unsolicited advice?
 

 https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-tweets-alicia-machado-134018710.html 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-tweets-alicia-machado-134018710.html
 

 Whatever the case will be, these presidential debates will apparently become 
entertaining, as well as an academic study on how NOT to lose an American 
election during the digital age and the internet.
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :


 Please John,if Trump despises foreigners, Muslims and women, then Hillary 
loves Jihadists.
 You're making a blanket statement.
 Trump wants our borders and immigration laws respected. He wants people from 
areas of conflict, better vetted before immigrating here,.so do tens of 
millions and maybe hundreds of millions of Americans.

 How do you know he doesn't like women that don't fit his criteria of beauty? A 
lot of money was wasted/waisted naming Machodo Miss Universe and she didn't 
live up to the image expected.
 The feud between Trump and Rosie goes way back. That doesn't mean he doesn't 
like and admire other women.

 I guess, if you don't like a person, that person can then say you hate 
everyone like them in their demographic, whatever it is. If you don't like 
Obama, then it must be because you're a racist. His ideology would have 
absolutely nothing to do with it, right?
 Fat shaming? I don't know how a three hundred pound man can seriously  shame 
anyone's weight. I guess that gives Hillary the *fat* vote.


 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
 
 
   

 

 Trump is acting just as his jyotish chart is showing.  He despises foreigners, 
particularly Mexicans and Muslims.  He does not like women who does not fit his 
criteria for beauty.  Thus, he "fat shames" Rosie O'Donnell, the comedian, and 
Alicia Machado, the former Miss Universe.  In short, he has a very powerful 
Shakti Yoga, as Hitler did, which can negatively affect the entire US 
population, if he gets elected.
 

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :


 
 Hillary looked fantastic on the debate stage, while Trump looked like some old 
guy you might see in a corner of a bar somewhere, talking too loudly and 
generally being a boor. Hillary was sharp and poised, completely in charge of 
her material and her emotions. 

 

*Fantastic*? No, she really looked smug and arrogant.She is already very 
*unlikable*. That did not help her public image. 

 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

 
   Actually, I support the female candidate. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

 When push comes to shove, the men here are going to support the male 
candidate. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emily.mae50@...> wrote :

 Christ, listen to yourself.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

 And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was so

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Please John,if Trump despises foreigners, Muslims and women, then Hillary loves 
Jihadists.
You're making a blanket statement.Trump wants our borders and immigration laws 
respected. He wants people from areas of conflict, better vetted before 
immigrating here,.so do tens of millions and maybe hundreds of millions of 
Americans.
How do you know he doesn't like women that don't fit his criteria of beauty? A 
lot of money was wasted/waisted naming Machodo Miss Universe and she didn't 
live up to the image expected.The feud between Trump and Rosie goes way back. 
That doesn't mean he doesn't like and admire other women.
I guess, if you don't like a person, that person can then say you hate everyone 
like them in their demographic, whatever it is. If you don't like Obama, then 
it must be because you're a racist. His ideology would have absolutely nothing 
to do with it, right?Fat shaming? I don't know how a three hundred pound man 
can seriously  shame anyone's weight. I guess that gives Hillary the *fat* vote.

  From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
   
    

Trump is acting just as his jyotish chart is showing.  He despises foreigners, 
particularly Mexicans and Muslims.  He does not like women who does not fit his 
criteria for beauty.  Thus, he "fat shames" Rosie O'Donnell, the comedian, and 
Alicia Machado, the former Miss Universe.  In short, he has a very powerful 
Shakti Yoga, as Hitler did, which can negatively affect the entire US 
population, if he gets elected.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

Hillary looked fantastic on the debate stage, while Trump looked likesome old 
guy you might see in a corner of a bar somewhere, talking tooloudly and 
generally being a boor. Hillary was sharp and poised,completely in charge of 
her material and her emotions. 

*Fantastic*? No, she really looked smug and arrogant.She is already very 
*unlikable*. That did not help her public image. 
  From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
 
 Actually, I support the female candidate. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

When push comes to shove, the men here are going to support the male candidate.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emily.mae50@...> wrote :

Christ, listen to yourself.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

Thanks, Sal, for your reply.
This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
More comments later, I think.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote :

Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Notice Mike's misrepresentation: Machado *herself* brought this Trump incident 
up to the New York Times a few months ago, before Hillary ever mentioned it. 
Machado, far from not wanting to be put "through it all over again," is 
delighted that it's getting publicity. 

 And Trump, needless to say, has been behaving like an utter a'hole about it 
since the debate.
 

 In any case, whether she had an obligation to maintain her winning weight 
isn't the real issue. The real issue is how Trump treated her when she gained a 
few pounds, publicly fat-shaming her, calling her names, disparaging her 
ethnicity, making her work out in front of umpty television cameras, 
deliberately humiliating her. None of that cruelty was necessary to correct any 
weight problem.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emily.mae50@...> wrote :

 Thanks for reading the article, Mike.   

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Emily, I read the article and don't have her contract to read, nor am I 
lawyer. However, most jobs involving a certain appearance, such as this, will 
not tolerate a significant weight gain.
 Machado  doesn't have a *right* to her *crown*. She was selected for a certain 
appearance and couldn't maintain it. Everybody lost on this, both her and the 
Pageant. 

 I doubt that you would find an NFL cheerleader more than 5 pounds overweight. 
I have a niece that was about 5-10 pounds over her ideal weight when she tried 
out for a *drill squad*position with her high school. She had worked very hard 
to get a few more pounds off before the try outs but those last few were too 
hard. She didn't make the squad and was very upset about it. I'm sure it hurt 
her self esteem but life goes on.
 Hillary dredged this up for her own gain and is putting this woman through it 
all over again.
 


 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
 
 
   Please look at this article.  It's a quick read.  
 

 Did Alicia Machado Breach ‘Weight Clause’ as Trump Campaign Claims? 
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html?soc_src=mail_trk=ma
 
 
 
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html?soc_src=mail_trk=ma
 
 Did Alicia Machado Breach ‘Weight Clause’ as Trump... 
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html?soc_src=mail_trk=ma
 Alicia Machado has largely been the focus of campaign news this week. The 
Trump camp claims she breached her Miss Universe contract — pageant experts d...


 
 View on www.yahoo.com 
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html?soc_src=mail_trk=ma
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 I have no idea how much she gained but have you ever known a woman to tell the 
truth about her weight or weight gain?
 How much do you weigh Judy?
 The fact is, she was under contract to have a certain appearance for a year. 
Height/weight proportionality was a part of it.She couldn't live up to her 
obligation. Sorry, that's just the way it is.
 Hillary brought this up and into the public to exploit an *issue*. If Machado 
is feeling any pain over this, it was Hillary that ripped off the scab for her 
benefit.
 The *horses* mouth? Isn't that a little insensitive? 

 
 


 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

 
   Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on 
the internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exp

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

What's the relevance to Trump's disgusting sexism? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 So which is worse, someone who is blunt and  may say something *unkind* about 
a woman's figure or  someone who notoriously exposes himself to vulnerable 
women and has even raped them?
 
 



 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 I have no idea how much she gained but have you ever known a woman to tell the 
truth about her weight or weight gain?
 

 I certainly have.
 

 How much do you weigh Judy?
 

 None of your business. But if I were going to tell you, I wouldn't lie about 
it.
 

 The fact is, she was under contract to have a certain appearance for a year. 
Height/weight proportionality was a part of it.She couldn't live up to her 
obligation. Sorry, that's just the way it is.
 

 Except it turns out that's not a fact, not "just the way it is." There are no 
weight or appearance clauses in beauty pageant contracts.
 

 You keep falling for Trump's lies.
 

 Hillary brought this up and into the public to exploit an *issue*. If Machado 
is feeling any pain over this, it was Hillary that ripped off the scab for her 
benefit.
 

 Wishful thinking, Mike. Machado seems to be doing just fine. She was one of 
the women, Hillary, who made it public. (And it was public at the time, too. 
That was the problem: he shamed her in front of the media, made her exercise 
for the cameras.)
 

 To the women here, don't read this unless you're feeling really strong. It 
will make your skin crawl:
 

 Interviews reveal unwelcome advances, a shrewd reliance on ambition, and 
unsettling workplace conduct over decades. 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html 
 
 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html
 
 Interviews reveal unwelcome advances, a shrewd reliance... 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html 
Interviews reveal unwelcome advances, a shrewd reliance on ambition, and 
unsettling workplace conduct over decades.


 
 View on www.nytimes.com 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

 

 The *horses* mouth? Isn't that a little insensitive? 

 
 


 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

 
   Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on 
the internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horren

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks for reading the article, Mike.   

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Emily, I read the article and don't have her contract to read, nor am I 
lawyer. However, most jobs involving a certain appearance, such as this, will 
not tolerate a significant weight gain.
 Machado  doesn't have a *right* to her *crown*. She was selected for a certain 
appearance and couldn't maintain it. Everybody lost on this, both her and the 
Pageant. 

 I doubt that you would find an NFL cheerleader more than 5 pounds overweight. 
I have a niece that was about 5-10 pounds over her ideal weight when she tried 
out for a *drill squad*position with her high school. She had worked very hard 
to get a few more pounds off before the try outs but those last few were too 
hard. She didn't make the squad and was very upset about it. I'm sure it hurt 
her self esteem but life goes on.
 Hillary dredged this up for her own gain and is putting this woman through it 
all over again.
 


 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
 
 
   Please look at this article.  It's a quick read.  
 

 Did Alicia Machado Breach ‘Weight Clause’ as Trump Campaign Claims? 
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html?soc_src=mail_trk=ma
 
 
 
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html?soc_src=mail_trk=ma
 
 Did Alicia Machado Breach ‘Weight Clause’ as Trump... 
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html?soc_src=mail_trk=ma
 Alicia Machado has largely been the focus of campaign news this week. The 
Trump camp claims she breached her Miss Universe contract — pageant experts d...


 
 View on www.yahoo.com 
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html?soc_src=mail_trk=ma
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 I have no idea how much she gained but have you ever known a woman to tell the 
truth about her weight or weight gain?
 How much do you weigh Judy?
 The fact is, she was under contract to have a certain appearance for a year. 
Height/weight proportionality was a part of it.She couldn't live up to her 
obligation. Sorry, that's just the way it is.
 Hillary brought this up and into the public to exploit an *issue*. If Machado 
is feeling any pain over this, it was Hillary that ripped off the scab for her 
benefit.
 The *horses* mouth? Isn't that a little insensitive? 

 
 


 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

 
   Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on 
the internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole y

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

So which is worse, someone who is blunt and  may say something *unkind* about a 
woman's figure or  someone who notoriously exposes himself to vulnerable women 
and has even raped them?


  From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

I have no idea how much she gained but have you ever known a woman to tell the 
truth about her weight or weight gain?
I certainly have.
How much do you weigh Judy?
None of your business. But if I were going to tell you, I wouldn't lie about it.
The fact is, she was under contract to have a certain appearance for a year. 
Height/weight proportionality was a part of it.She couldn't live up to her 
obligation. Sorry, that's just the way it is.
Except it turns out that's not a fact, not "just the way it is." There are no 
weight or appearance clauses in beauty pageant contracts.
You keep falling for Trump's lies.
Hillary brought this up and into the public to exploit an *issue*. If Machado 
is feeling any pain over this, it was Hillary that ripped off the scab for her 
benefit.
Wishful thinking, Mike. Machado seems to be doing just fine. She was one of the 
women, Hillary, who made it public. (And it was public at the time, too. That 
was the problem: he shamed her in front of the media, made her exercise for the 
cameras.)
To the women here, don't read this unless you're feeling really strong. It will 
make your skin crawl:
Interviews reveal unwelcome advances, a shrewd reliance on ambition, and 
unsettling workplace conduct over decades. 
||
||||   Interviews reveal unwelcome advances, a shrewd 
reliance...  Interviews reveal unwelcome advances, a shrewd reliance on 
ambition, and unsettling workplace conduct over decades.||
|  View on www.nytimes.com  |Preview by Yahoo|
||

   


The *horses* mouth? Isn't that a little insensitive? 


  From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
 
 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

Thanks, Sal, for your reply.
This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
More comments later, I think.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote :

Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun.
Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a st

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

 Trump is acting just as his jyotish chart is showing.  He despises foreigners, 
particularly Mexicans and Muslims.  He does not like women who does not fit his 
criteria for beauty.  Thus, he "fat shames" Rosie O'Donnell, the comedian, and 
Alicia Machado, the former Miss Universe.  In short, he has a very powerful 
Shakti Yoga, as Hitler did, which can negatively affect the entire US 
population, if he gets elected.
 

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :


 
 Hillary looked fantastic on the debate stage, while Trump looked like some old 
guy you might see in a corner of a bar somewhere, talking too loudly and 
generally being a boor. Hillary was sharp and poised, completely in charge of 
her material and her emotions. 

 

*Fantastic*? No, she really looked smug and arrogant.She is already very 
*unlikable*. That did not help her public image. 

 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
 
 
   Actually, I support the female candidate. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

 When push comes to shove, the men here are going to support the male 
candidate. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emily.mae50@...> wrote :

 Christ, listen to yourself.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

 And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Pretty hard to hide a weight gain of 60 pounds, especially when you're wearing 
form-fitting exercise leotards. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You can't always tell from pictures. Women have a way of hiding it.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Okay, from her. No problem. The picture during that time doesn't appear to 
show a massive weight gain, so, as I said, that changes things.  I can see 
where that amount of weight gain would bug someone like Trump, but, for 
practical purposes, I'd say it was in the range of acceptable for her position 
and title. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I told you where it came from: Machado herself. I wondered, initially, whether 
you had some documented evidence--e.g., a record of one of her weigh-ins--for 
the 60-pound figure. In which case there would have been no "gotcha" or 
correction, would there? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ya knowmaybe one day you will learn to converse like a normal person 
instead of being locked in to this, "gotcha" "corrector" mode. 

 Obviously I was mistaken.  That does happen, perhaps not to you.
 

 Thank you for correcting this misperception on my part.  It does change things.
 
Do you mind revealing from whence this number came?
 

 Thank you again.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes, the majority consensus of people who screw up and embarrass themselves 
when they get in an argument with me, as you've done so often. No surprise 
there.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You're pretty weird, Judy, and live in weird world where you twist things 
around to suit your needs.  Nothing new, of course, but pretty much makes 
normal dialog with you impossible. Of course that's been the consensus for as 
long as you've been on these groups.  At least the majority consensus. 

 But, as a study of certain kind of twisted dysfunctionality, you are 
interesting.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 I have no idea how much she gained but have you ever known a woman to tell the 
truth about her weight or weight gain?
 

 I certainly have.
 

 How much do you weigh Judy?
 

 None of your business. But if I were going to tell you, I wouldn't lie about 
it.
 

 The fact is, she was under contract to have a certain appearance for a year. 
Height/weight proportionality was a part of it.She couldn't live up to her 
obligation. Sorry, that's just the way it is.
 

 Except it turns out that's not a fact, not "just the way it is." There are no 
weight or appearance clauses in beauty pageant contracts.
 

 You keep falling for Trump's lies.
 

 Hillary brought this up and into the public to exploit an *issue*. If Machado 
is feeling any pain over this, it was Hillary that ripped off the scab for her 
benefit.
 

 Wishful thinking, Mike. Machado seems to be doing just fine. She was one of 
the women, BTW, that the NYTimes interviewed awhile back about Trump's 
treatment of women. She told them exactly what Hillary reported in the debate. 
So you've effed up again. It was Machado herself, not Hillary, who made it 
public. (And it was public at the time, too. That was the problem: he shamed 
her in front of the media, made her exercise for the cameras.)
 

 To the women here, don't read this unless you're feeling really strong. It 
will make your skin crawl:
 

 Interviews reveal unwelcome advances, a shrewd reliance on ambition, and 
unsettling workplace conduct over decades. 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html 
 
 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html 
 
 Interviews reveal unwelcome advances, a shrewd reliance... 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html 
Interviews reveal unwelcome advances, a shrewd reliance on ambition, and 
unsettling workplace conduct over decades.
 
 
 
 View on www.nytimes.com 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


 

 

 The *horses* mouth? Isn't that a little insensitive? 

 
 


 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
 
 
   Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on 
the internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Emily, I read the article and don't have her contract to read, nor am I lawyer. 
However, most jobs involving a certain appearance, such as this, will not 
tolerate a significant weight gain.Machado  doesn't have a *right* to her 
*crown*. She was selected for a certain appearance and couldn't maintain it. 
Everybody lost on this, both her and the Pageant. 
I doubt that you would find an NFL cheerleader more than 5 pounds overweight. I 
have a niece that was about 5-10 pounds over her ideal weight when she tried 
out for a *drill squad*position with her high school. She had worked very hard 
to get a few more pounds off before the try outs but those last few were too 
hard. She didn't make the squad and was very upset about it. I'm sure it hurt 
her self esteem but life goes on.Hillary dredged this up for her own gain and 
is putting this woman through it all over again.

  From: "emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
   
    Please look at this article.  It's a quick read.      
Did Alicia Machado Breach ‘Weight Clause’ as Trump Campaign Claims? 
||
||||   Did Alicia Machado Breach ‘Weight Clause’ as 
Trump...  Alicia Machado has largely been the focus of campaign news this week. 
The Trump camp claims she breached her Miss Universe contract — pageant experts 
d...||
|  View on www.yahoo.com  |Preview by Yahoo|
||

   


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

I have no idea how much she gained but have you ever known a woman to tell the 
truth about her weight or weight gain?How much do you weigh Judy?The fact is, 
she was under contract to have a certain appearance for a year. Height/weight 
proportionality was a part of it.She couldn't live up to her obligation. Sorry, 
that's just the way it is.Hillary brought this up and into the public to 
exploit an *issue*. If Machado is feeling any pain over this, it was Hillary 
that ripped off the scab for her benefit.The *horses* mouth? Isn't that a 
little insensitive? 


  From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
 
 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

Thanks, Sal, for your reply.
This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
More comments later, I think.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote :

Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun.
Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however no

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Hillary looked fantastic on the debate stage, while Trump looked like some old 
guy you might see in a corner of a bar somewhere, talking too loudly and 
generally being a boor. Hillary was sharp and poised, completely in charge of 
her material and her emotions. 

*Fantastic*? No, she really looked smug and arrogant.She is already very 
*unlikable*. That did not help her public image. 
  From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
   
    Actually, I support the female candidate. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

When push comes to shove, the men here are going to support the male candidate.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emily.mae50@...> wrote :

Christ, listen to yourself.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

Thanks, Sal, for your reply.
This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
More comments later, I think.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote :

Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun.
Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.

Sal 

On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
No

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes, of course.  Men too.  When I first started in my business, I would wear a 
dress paints, jacket, button shirt and tie.  Then I graduated to  just a dress 
pants, and button down shirt.  I was pretty much following the lead of my 
customers.  Now it is polo type shirt during warm weather, and pullover type 
polo during cold weather.  I mention that because the button down shirt allowed 
me hide a little extra weight better than the polos. 

 My wife successfully just lost some extra weight that she had put on.  Feels 
really good about it.  And yes, she was much more self conscious about the 
extra weight than I am.  And yes, it affected how she dressed, etc.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You can't always tell from pictures. Women have a way of hiding it.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Okay, from her. No problem. The picture during that time doesn't appear to 
show a massive weight gain, so, as I said, that changes things.  I can see 
where that amount of weight gain would bug someone like Trump, but, for 
practical purposes, I'd say it was in the range of acceptable for her position 
and title. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I told you where it came from: Machado herself. I wondered, initially, whether 
you had some documented evidence--e.g., a record of one of her weigh-ins--for 
the 60-pound figure. In which case there would have been no "gotcha" or 
correction, would there? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ya knowmaybe one day you will learn to converse like a normal person 
instead of being locked in to this, "gotcha" "corrector" mode. 

 Obviously I was mistaken.  That does happen, perhaps not to you.
 

 Thank you for correcting this misperception on my part.  It does change things.
 
Do you mind revealing from whence this number came?
 

 Thank you again.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[feste37]

Actually, I support the female candidate. Hillary looked fantastic on the 
debate stage, while Trump looked like some old guy you might see in a corner of 
a bar somewhere, talking too loudly and generally being a boor. Hillary was 
sharp and poised, completely in charge of her material and her emotions. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 When push comes to shove, the men here are going to support the male 
candidate. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Christ, listen to yourself.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[feste37]

You can't always tell from pictures. Women have a way of hiding it.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Okay, from her. No problem. The picture during that time doesn't appear to 
show a massive weight gain, so, as I said, that changes things.  I can see 
where that amount of weight gain would bug someone like Trump, but, for 
practical purposes, I'd say it was in the range of acceptable for her position 
and title. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I told you where it came from: Machado herself. I wondered, initially, whether 
you had some documented evidence--e.g., a record of one of her weigh-ins--for 
the 60-pound figure. In which case there would have been no "gotcha" or 
correction, would there? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ya knowmaybe one day you will learn to converse like a normal person 
instead of being locked in to this, "gotcha" "corrector" mode. 

 Obviously I was mistaken.  That does happen, perhaps not to you.
 

 Thank you for correcting this misperception on my part.  It does change things.
 
Do you mind revealing from whence this number came?
 

 Thank you again.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Okay, from her. No problem. The picture during that time doesn't appear to show 
a massive weight gain, so, as I said, that changes things.  I can see where 
that amount of weight gain would bug someone like Trump, but, for practical 
purposes, I'd say it was in the range of acceptable for her position and title. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I told you where it came from: Machado herself. I wondered, initially, whether 
you had some documented evidence--e.g., a record of one of her weigh-ins--for 
the 60-pound figure. In which case there would have been no "gotcha" or 
correction, would there? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ya knowmaybe one day you will learn to converse like a normal person 
instead of being locked in to this, "gotcha" "corrector" mode. 

 Obviously I was mistaken.  That does happen, perhaps not to you.
 

 Thank you for correcting this misperception on my part.  It does change things.
 
Do you mind revealing from whence this number came?
 

 Thank you again.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

You're pretty weird, Judy, and live in weird world where you twist things 
around to suit your needs.  Nothing new, of course, but pretty much makes 
normal dialog with you impossible. Of course that's been the consensus for as 
long as you've been on these groups.  At least the majority consensus. 

 But, as a study of certain kind of twisted dysfunctionality, you are 
interesting.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Please look at this article.  It's a quick read.   

 Did Alicia Machado Breach ‘Weight Clause’ as Trump Campaign Claims? 
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html
 
 
 
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html
 
 
 Did Alicia Machado Breach ‘Weight Clause’ as Trump... 
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html
 Alicia Machado has largely been the focus of campaign news this week. The 
Trump camp claims she breached her Miss Universe contract — pageant experts d...
 
 
 
 View on www.yahoo.com 
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 I have no idea how much she gained but have you ever known a woman to tell the 
truth about her weight or weight gain?
 How much do you weigh Judy?
 The fact is, she was under contract to have a certain appearance for a year. 
Height/weight proportionality was a part of it.She couldn't live up to her 
obligation. Sorry, that's just the way it is.
 Hillary brought this up and into the public to exploit an *issue*. If Machado 
is feeling any pain over this, it was Hillary that ripped off the scab for her 
benefit.
 The *horses* mouth? Isn't that a little insensitive? 

 
 


 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
 
 
   Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on 
the internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then yo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Now that's *sexist*!


  From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
   
    When push comes to shove, the men here are going to support the male 
candidate.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emily.mae50@...> wrote :

Christ, listen to yourself.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

Thanks, Sal, for your reply.
This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
More comments later, I think.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote :

Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun.
Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.

Sal 

On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I have no idea how much she gained but have you ever known a woman to tell the 
truth about her weight or weight gain?How much do you weigh Judy?The fact is, 
she was under contract to have a certain appearance for a year. Height/weight 
proportionality was a part of it.She couldn't live up to her obligation. Sorry, 
that's just the way it is.Hillary brought this up and into the public to 
exploit an *issue*. If Machado is feeling any pain over this, it was Hillary 
that ripped off the scab for her benefit.The *horses* mouth? Isn't that a 
little insensitive? 


  From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
   
    Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on 
the internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

Thanks, Sal, for your reply.
This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
More comments later, I think.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote :

Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun.
Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.

Sal 

On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Bingo

  From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:33 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
   
    And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

Thanks, Sal, for your reply.
This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
More comments later, I think.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote :

Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun.
Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.

Sal 

On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

And of course, Trump always tells the truth, never lies about anything. If he 
says her weight gain was "massive," then we can be absolutely confident that's 
what it was. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

When push comes to shove, the men here are going to support the male candidate. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Christ, listen to yourself.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[feste37]

I listen to myself all the time. And I know for a fact that no woman has ever 
lied, or even stretched the truth, about her own weight. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Christ, listen to yourself.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I told you where it came from: Machado herself. I wondered, initially, whether 
you had some documented evidence--e.g., a record of one of her weigh-ins--for 
the 60-pound figure. In which case there would have been no "gotcha" or 
correction, would there? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ya knowmaybe one day you will learn to converse like a normal person 
instead of being locked in to this, "gotcha" "corrector" mode. 

 Obviously I was mistaken.  That does happen, perhaps not to you.
 

 Thank you for correcting this misperception on my part.  It does change things.
 
Do you mind revealing from whence this number came?
 

 Thank you again.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Christ, listen to yourself.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[feste37]

And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Ya knowmaybe one day you will learn to converse like a normal person 
instead of being locked in to this, "gotcha" "corrector" mode. 

 Obviously I was mistaken.  That does happen, perhaps not to you.
 

 Thank you for correcting this misperception on my part.  It does change things.
 
Do you mind revealing from whence this number came?
 

 Thank you again.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Starving young women? Give me a break. They are like athletes in training. 
They get themselves in shape in order to compete in a contest. No one is 
forcing them to do it. 
 

 Check this out, just because.
 http://womensenews.org/2002/12/beauty-pageant-contestants-remain-underfed/ 
http://womensenews.org/2002/12/beauty-pageant-contestants-remain-underfed/
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Right again. 

 I am rushing here, but I thought Sal's comments were directed to the larger 
issue.  No problem there.  But specifically, it is hard to argue against the 
idea that contestants in competition like this have a pretty good idea of the 
overall expectations, whether you find them acceptable or not.
 

 If they find those expectations unreasonable, they can certainly resign the 
crown.  Or, maybe their objective is make a protest about the overall issues 
Sal has raised.  That would be a different story.  But, you can't have it both 
ways. 
 

 And, to be honest, I thought the lady a bit of weird vibe when I saw her 
interview on Anderson Cooper.  And, she will be the first to admit she is "no 
saint".  Her words.  She's done some weird shit herself.  Highly unethical shit.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Starving young women? Give me a break. They are like athletes in training. 
They get themselves in shape in order to compete in a contest. No one is 
forcing them to do it. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[feste37]

Starving young women? Give me a break. They are like athletes in training. They 
get themselves in shape in order to compete in a contest. No one is forcing 
them to do it. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 Exactly. He is the ultimate hypocrite. The little boy who has to feel powerful 
by kicking the puppy or setting fire to an ant hill. This guy is a waste of 
skin and the sooner he returns to the gaudy hovel he calls "home" and the 
business life he calls "success" the better.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[Sal Sunshine salsunshineini...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun.

Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.

The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.

Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.


Sal 


On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
 wrote:



if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.



Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?