Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits

2005-08-04 Thread Peter


--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  on 8/3/05 1:23 AM, TurquoiseB at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   I got the feeling that what Rick was referring
 to was the
   idea of women as equals.  In my experience,
 Maharishi
   always treated the women around him as
 decoration, or
   as something you put up on a pedestal and
 revere, as
   opposed to actually relating to.
  
  And he often decorated them. It was common for him
 to buy jewelry 
 and saris
  for Mother Divine ladies. Expensive ones for the
 higher-ups, but 
 even my
  wife got some nice stuff while on MD. I don't
 necessarily see this 
 as a bad
  thing. Ladies like stuff like that and it gave
 them some relative 
 happiness,
  which they may have been missing.
 
 
 
 There may not have been anything technically wrong
 with it, but the 
 idea of a life-long celibate giving women jewelry
 and saris does 
 make me feel icky.
 
 Leave the giving of feminine gifts to ladies to the
 householders, 
 please.

Yes, there's a creep factor in it. Something
adharmic. A bluring of appropriate social roles. Like
a spiritual teacher asking an attractive follower to
give him a back rub.



 
 
 
 
   
   I don't know the answer to this question,
 because I haven't
   been in touch with the TMO for so long, but
 among all the
   scientists invited to speak and lend their
 caveat to the TMO
   and help sell its products, has there ever been
 a woman
   scientist?  Has any woman who is considered a
 leader in
   her field ever been invited to speak at
 TM-sponsored
   symposia?  Has any woman ever been involved in
 the
   groups that do the strategic planning with
 Maharishi?
   I never saw any. 
  
  Suzie Dillbeck did plenty. Also Rhoda Orme-Johnson
 and other 
 ladies with
  academic qualifications spoke at conferences if
 they were 
 qualified to
  speak.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits

2005-08-03 Thread Llundrub




talking trash about the other students and putting 
them down.That's the phenomenon that's common, and strikes me as 
morethan a little strange.It can mean only one thing - 
self hatred - otherwise the teacher would have to respect the student who had 
the foresight to listen to him. 





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits

2005-08-03 Thread Llundrub





Oh thanks. MY wife said, "Will you 
stop please. I'm trying to eat."


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wrote:snip Not hard for me to imagine at allWhoa 
dude. Now that is Awesome! That is just plain beautiful. Hats 
off to Llundrub, the cooking, writing sensation from 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits

2005-08-03 Thread Rick Archer
on 8/3/05 7:41 AM, lurkernomore20002000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 Also is she married?
 
 Is now; wasn't then.
 
 He's starting to crack.

Her name rhymes with floccinaucinihilipilification





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits

2005-08-03 Thread Rick Archer
on 8/3/05 1:23 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I got the feeling that what Rick was referring to was the
 idea of women as equals.  In my experience, Maharishi
 always treated the women around him as decoration, or
 as something you put up on a pedestal and revere, as
 opposed to actually relating to.

And he often decorated them. It was common for him to buy jewelry and saris
for Mother Divine ladies. Expensive ones for the higher-ups, but even my
wife got some nice stuff while on MD. I don't necessarily see this as a bad
thing. Ladies like stuff like that and it gave them some relative happiness,
which they may have been missing.
 
 I don't know the answer to this question, because I haven't
 been in touch with the TMO for so long, but among all the
 scientists invited to speak and lend their caveat to the TMO
 and help sell its products, has there ever been a woman
 scientist?  Has any woman who is considered a leader in
 her field ever been invited to speak at TM-sponsored
 symposia?  Has any woman ever been involved in the
 groups that do the strategic planning with Maharishi?
 I never saw any. 

Suzie Dillbeck did plenty. Also Rhoda Orme-Johnson and other ladies with
academic qualifications spoke at conferences if they were qualified to
speak.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits

2005-08-02 Thread Rick Archer
on 8/2/05 2:31 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I can't address whether or not MMY said these things or whether or not he was
 having sex 
 with the woman, but I CAN suggest that it would be rather odd to have sex with
 a guru-
 worshiper and inform her that he didn't respect the guru-worshipers...

Maybe the nature of their relationship kind of leveled the playing field.
Hard to worship someone you're sleeping with. Or maybe he was flattering her
by treating her as a confidant.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits

2005-08-02 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits





on 8/2/04 3:15 PM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



There's a new story emerging, from a very well-known and respected source,
which I'm not yet at liberty to divulge (sorry for the tease), which
dramatically ups the out-of-control ante. Sorry to be so vague, but you'll
probably hear it before long. It's a mind-blower.


-Is it a crown flipper? 

No crown. Women dont get crowns.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits

2005-08-02 Thread Peter


--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 8/2/05 2:45 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  
  The whole thing seems unlikely. If MMY was so
 out-of-control as to have had
  multiple 
  affairs, it seems likely that this thing would
 have been common knowledge
  throughout 
  the TMO from day one, and not a rumor.
 
 There's a new story emerging, from a very well-known
 and respected source,
 which I'm not yet at liberty to divulge (sorry for
 the tease), which
 dramatically ups the out-of-control ante. Sorry to
 be so vague, but you'll
 probably hear it before long. It's a mind-blower.

Is it bigger than a breadbox?




 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits

2005-08-02 Thread Peter


--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
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  on 8/2/05 2:45 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   The whole thing seems unlikely. If MMY was so
 out-of-control as to 
 have had
   multiple 
   affairs, it seems likely that this thing would
 have been common 
 knowledge
   throughout 
   the TMO from day one, and not a rumor.
  
  There's a new story emerging, from a very
 well-known and respected 
 source,
  which I'm not yet at liberty to divulge (sorry for
 the tease), which
  dramatically ups the out-of-control ante. Sorry to
 be so vague, but 
 you'll
  probably hear it before long. It's a mind-blower.
 
 Rindy Schwartz?

Pamela Lee Anderson?





 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits

2005-08-02 Thread Peter


--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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  Of course. It just seems incredibly
 self-destructive for MMY to not only 
  have a secret love affair with a worshiper and
 then spend his time 
  bashing all the other worshipers. Maybe he was
 supposed to be 
  building her up by implying that she wasn't one of
 those silly people?
 
 I think that if you look into the whole subject of
 teacher-student
 sex in a spiritual community, you'll find that this
 behavior is 
 actually pretty common.  It seems to be part of the
 syndrome.
 In almost every instance of it I've heard about or
 read about,
 the pattern is the same.
 
 I don't really understand it any more than anyone
 else, but
 I know that it happened with Rama, I know that it
 happened
 with Trungpa and with his senior teachers, I know
 that it
 happened with the Zen Center scandals in San
 Francsico.
 
 Go figure.  Maybe the teachers think that they're
 bonding
 somehow with the student they're fucking by
 convincing
 them that they're somehow special, compared to the
 other students.  Maybe it really *is* self
 destructive.  I 
 don't know.  
 
 I'm not putting you on about this.  It's just the
 strangest 
 phenomenon in the world, but it happens.  And far
 more
 often than you might think,

One thing I know for sureand that is that MMY did
not have sex with me. Period.




 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits

2005-08-02 Thread Rick Archer
on 8/2/05 3:22 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 8/2/05 2:45 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 The whole thing seems unlikely. If MMY was so out-of-control as to
 have had
 multiple 
 affairs, it seems likely that this thing would have been common
 knowledge
 throughout 
 the TMO from day one, and not a rumor.
 
 There's a new story emerging, from a very well-known and respected
 source,
 which I'm not yet at liberty to divulge (sorry for the tease), which
 dramatically ups the out-of-control ante. Sorry to be so vague, but
 you'll
 probably hear it before long. It's a mind-blower.
 
 Rindy Schwartz?

No, but a friend of mine was living under M's room in Weggis and he used to
hear Rindi and Maharishi up there talking and laughing most of the night.
Doesn't mean anything inappropriate was happening though. But don't keep
guessing. I can't name names on this one.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits

2005-08-02 Thread Rick Archer
on 8/2/05 3:21 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 There's a new story emerging, from a very well-known
 and respected source,
 which I'm not yet at liberty to divulge (sorry for
 the tease), which
 dramatically ups the out-of-control ante. Sorry to
 be so vague, but you'll
 probably hear it before long. It's a mind-blower.
 
 Is it bigger than a breadbox?

Size does matter.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits

2005-08-02 Thread Llundrub





I'm not putting you on about this. It's just the strangest 
phenomenon in the world, but it happens. And far moreoften than 
you might think,-You mean the 
atraction between a man and a woman is strange even when it's between a teacher 
and student? I don't find that strange at all really. I therefore have chosen 
the path of the Ngakpa who is basically the Buddhist tantric householder. At 
least there can be no sexual scandals amongst ngakpa, unless of course the 
teacher is just fucking everybody. 

I mean, consider being a teacher. You're sitting 
on a platform for long hours and the blood is pooling in your loins. Your 
ass feels flat and you're craving a good set of asanas. Thank God the meeting is 
over and you leave. But then half way back to your floor...

The acolytes have gone and the wife of your assistant 
is clearing the flowers and tidying up. You go back to the room to get your 
spare dhoti that you left on the back table.It's your favorite bacause it 
doesn't bind up when you sit on it and pull your shoulders and 
hair.

The wife sees you and does a bow and namaste and looks 
up at you with startling green eyes and the most intense blue black hair you've 
ever seen and you can smell the freshness of it. H, what is that? It smells 
like fresh Nag Champa blossoms. 

She also has lips that are as plush as a new feather 
pillow and she says, "Can I do anything for you...Master?" You are about 
to run out of the room but think that would be rude so you say, "No thanks." And 
she frowns. 

And all of a sudden you feel sorry for her, and sort of 
love her and have a hardon under your cloak. You want to tear away but to 
do so is somehow harder than you could imagine because all you have waiting for 
you backinyour room high is an open window and those sterile Alps 
jutting high into the clouds, anda hard matress and thin silk sheets and 
acopy of themanu Smriti, and it all somehow now just seems so 
empty.

Then you realize it would be so full if she was naked 
on that bed, giving that ripe fruit of a mouth to you to drink from, giving her 
vagina like a clasp for your hook, and you think that unless you pursue this all 
your future days and night will be misery. In fact, due to the very nature of 
your normally empty mind now she has assumed some cosmic importance that you 
just cannot overcome. You know it must be the will of Mother Divine. You never 
even consider that George, her husband is your most devoted servant, who loves 
you and will do anything for you. 

Meanwhile she's thinking, "George loves this man and 
will do anything for him. He sort of smells like rancid sesame oil but look at 
those deep and mesmerizing eyes. It seems like he can read my very soul. I've 
never been stripped so naked before, having sex would just be like so natural 
after the way he undressed my mind like this." George retreats to some mental 
background hum and the Masters eyes and voice, the way he says, "hummg" it all 
sort of tears you apart...

You go back to his room and get naked. He digs into 
your crotch with his kneeding little fingers and pastes his mouth to your neck 
but wont kiss your mouth. You feel like you must have bad breath maybe? 
Itmust bethe ginger tofu, it always makes you have to brush your 
teeth. And as you're thinking of your bad breath he gets his cock in you 
and then it's over as fast as it began and he asks you to leave.


Not hard for me to imagine at 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits

2005-08-02 Thread Rick Archer
on 8/2/05 5:45 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Most likely to tease poster:  Nominating Mr. Archer
 
 Yeah, he's a regular Sheharezade

I'll cop to that, but I'm not familiar with the term and Google doesn't
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits

2005-08-02 Thread Llundrub




  The whole problem is that in the 
TMO where most of the powerful figures are male and where women are accorded 
no respect, who amongst them is going to believe anything any woman 
says?I've got alot of complaints about the TMO but no where and at no 
time did I ever have the impression that either MMY or the TMO ever 
accorded women "no respect"; indeed, I would say that, between the 
sexes, preferential treatment and respect were given women...both in 
practise and in the teaching.But not in 
terms of any sort of actualization. Women are fine, on Mother Divine, but not in 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits

2005-08-02 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits





on 8/2/04 6:48 PM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 
 The whole problem is that in the TMO where most of the powerful 
figures are male and where women are accorded no respect, who amongst 
them is going to believe anything any woman says?

I've got alot of complaints about the TMO but no where and at no time 
did I ever have the impression that either MMY or the TMO ever 
accorded women no respect; indeed, I would say that, between the 
sexes, preferential treatment and respect were given women...both in 
practise and in the teaching.


But not in terms of any sort of actualization. Women are fine, on Mother Divine, but not in management. 

At MUM women often hold high administrative positions, but never top ones.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits

2005-08-02 Thread Rick Archer
on 8/2/05 6:29 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 8/2/05 5:45 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Most likely to tease poster:  Nominating Mr. Archer
 
 Yeah, he's a regular Sheharezade
 
 I'll cop to that, but I'm not familiar with the term and Google
 doesn't help.
 
 Try this:
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheherazade
 
 (The name is a transliteration from the Arabic,
 so it's spelled several different ways.)

I see. So he thinks I'm making up stories. Whatever.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits

2005-08-02 Thread Rick Archer
on 8/2/05 5:39 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 8/2/04 3:40 PM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I just meant is it believable enough that people who payed a
 million bucks for
 a crown will flip out over it?
  
 Most will believe it unless they are seriously brain washed. Then
 again, if
 they don¹t have all the other stories to corroborate it, they may
 decide
 this person has flipped out, as I used to do when one of M¹s
 secretaries
 would fly the coop.
 
 fly the coope...care to relate any of those stories to us, please?

Just the stuff Conny Larsson, Billy Clayton, Rob McCutchean, and others
said. Most of it is in the Sexy Sadie file.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits

2005-08-02 Thread Peter


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 on 8/2/05 5:39 PM, shempmcgurk at
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
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  on 8/2/04 3:40 PM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  I just meant is it believable enough that people
 who payed a
  million bucks for
  a crown will flip out over it?
   
  Most will believe it unless they are seriously
 brain washed. Then
  again, if
  they don¹t have all the other stories to
 corroborate it, they may
  decide
  this person has flipped out, as I used to do when
 one of M¹s
  secretaries
  would fly the coop.
  
  fly the coope...care to relate any of those
 stories to us, please?
 
 Just the stuff Conny Larsson, Billy Clayton, Rob
 McCutchean, and others
 said. Most of it is in the Sexy Sadie file.

Rick, when do you think we'll find out about this?
Also is she married?




 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits

2005-08-02 Thread Rick Archer
on 8/2/05 8:47 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Just the stuff Conny Larsson, Billy Clayton, Rob
 McCutchean, and others
 said. Most of it is in the Sexy Sadie file.
 
 Rick, when do you think we'll find out about this?

She wants to talk with me. I can't guarantee she'll let me post anything
here.

 Also is she married?

Is now; wasn't then.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits

2005-08-02 Thread Peter


--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 8/2/05 8:47 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Just the stuff Conny Larsson, Billy Clayton, Rob
  McCutchean, and others
  said. Most of it is in the Sexy Sadie file.
  
  Rick, when do you think we'll find out about this?
 
 She wants to talk with me. I can't guarantee she'll
 let me post anything
 here.
 
  Also is she married?
 
 Is now; wasn't then.

H. Someone involved in the TMO for a long time.
Worked on International Staff probably, hence the
contact with MMY. If she lives in Ffld I probably know
who it is. More of a guess, but if it is her, it will
blow everyone's mind. MMY's type too. 



 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits

2005-08-02 Thread Llundrub
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits





At 
MUM women often hold high administrative positions, but never top 
ones. 

---That sounded kinky.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits

2005-08-02 Thread Llundrub




Rick, when do you think we'll find out about 
this?Also is she married?---She only likes men with huge 
egos.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits

2005-08-01 Thread gullible fool

 and there's no reason to demand to know
 when Brahman is going to awaken some of his people.

I'm certainly not demanding. In fact, my question So,
when is Brahman going to actually awaken some of his
people?, was a rhetorical question.

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  But it has multiple effects on people.
 He's a
  tool of Brahman to awaken Brahman.
 
 So, when is Brahman going to actually awaken
 some of
 his people?

The awful thing is, if we assume MMY is a tool
of Brahman, we no longer have any basis for
assuming folks like Bevan and the rajas aren't
also tools of Brahman.
   
   Everyone, everything is a tool of Brahman, of
 Santana Dharma, of
   Nature. We are all delivering karma and
 absorbing karma, in the
   big multi-dimensional, galactic, interactive pin
 ball game called 
   creation.
  
  What would be scary if Bevan and the Rajas were
 not tools of 
  Brahman. Then we would be in the metaphysical and
 spiritual 
  twilight zone. 
  
  Creation is not just about flowers blooming and
 perpetual spring. 
  Its also summer fall and winter.
 
 In that case, we're not granting any special status
 to MMY when we say he is a tool of Brahman to
 awaken
 Brahman, and there's no reason to demand to know
 when Brahman is going to awaken some of his people.
 
 
 
 
 
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