Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline on 6/26/06 2:57 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick (or anyone with a finger on the pulse of the 'ru community in Fairfield), have you noticed any blowback from the recertification and pundit debacles of the past few years? I tend not to hang out with folks who have gotten recertified or who ever believed that pundits were coming, and I’m not too tuned in to those who have and did. I did run into an old friend yesterday who is trying to set up a peace palace in Ames (north of Des Moines – home of Iowa State U.) and has already set up a store in a mall there. I commended her on her dedication. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
I didn't ask that. - Original Message - From: Peter Sutphen To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline I asked Punditji and he said he is the course. Gofigure.-Peter--- rudra_joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > PS. I wonder if Deepak and Punditji are planning on> going ?> > JohnY> > > ---Thank you.> > > > To subscribe, send a message to:> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/> and click 'Join This Group!' > > > >> Yahoo! Groups Links> > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to:> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/> > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an> email to:> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the> Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.comTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
on 4/5/05 1:10 PM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > > My understanding of that event is exactly as Rick reports it - that MMY > ordered the > draining of ATR accounts, Jerry was upset, and that was the reason Jerry was > no longer > welcome in the TMO - he had expressed - in front of MMY - his reservations > about taking > earned ATR points away from teachers. I recall that we all assumed that the > TMO really > needed the money for some higher purpose, or some project. Besides, everyone > was > afraid to speak up about their true feelings because there was the very real > possibility of > being blackballed from further participation in teaching or ATR. Cause if > Jerry could be > given the cold shoulder, anyone could. There were probably a number of instances which were all expressions of Jerry's growing independence. He was critical of the siddhis, of the ATR rip-off... He pursued the NJ court case when M told him to drop it. Too bad he didn't make a clean break. Reportedly, he's still in limbo-land. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
Oh well...more grist for the mill! --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/5/05 12:48 PM, Peter Sutphen at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >until someone sucked the ATR credit account > >> dry. > >>> -Peter > >> > >> That someone was MMY. He ordered it. > > > > Rick, do you know that for sure? I know Jerry > Jarvis > > was really furious about it. Remember the letter > they > > sent..."It is such a joy to work fulltime for the > > Movement" > > -Peter > > Who in the Mvt had authority over Jerry Jarvis at > that time? Of course he > ordered it. He has always been directly involved in > policies and decisions > much smaller than that one. Even if someone else > came up with the idea, he > would have had to approve it. The finance people > have never worked > independently of MMY. They go over everything with > him and he makes the > decisions. I vaguely remember some meeting in > Seelisberg or Vitznau around > that time when it was being discussed in his > presence, but I don't remember > details. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
on 4/5/05 12:48 PM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >until someone sucked the ATR credit account >> dry. >>> -Peter >> >> That someone was MMY. He ordered it. > > Rick, do you know that for sure? I know Jerry Jarvis > was really furious about it. Remember the letter they > sent..."It is such a joy to work fulltime for the > Movement" > -Peter Who in the Mvt had authority over Jerry Jarvis at that time? Of course he ordered it. He has always been directly involved in policies and decisions much smaller than that one. Even if someone else came up with the idea, he would have had to approve it. The finance people have never worked independently of MMY. They go over everything with him and he makes the decisions. I vaguely remember some meeting in Seelisberg or Vitznau around that time when it was being discussed in his presence, but I don't remember details. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/5/05 12:05 PM, Peter Sutphen at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> Can you cite a few examples where they have kept > up > >> their end of the bargain? > >> > >> L B S > > > > When I started teaching TM in 1973, National > always > > sent the correct percentage back and the correct > > percentage into my ATR account. That lasted for a > few > > years until someone sucked the ATR credit account > dry. > > -Peter > > That someone was MMY. He ordered it. Rick, do you know that for sure? I know Jerry Jarvis was really furious about it. Remember the letter they sent..."It is such a joy to work fulltime for the Movement" -Peter > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
Watch out Akasha, you're going to get a dharma fine! --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > > > When I started teaching TM in 1973, National > always > > sent the correct percentage back and the correct > > percentage into my ATR account. That lasted for a > few > > years until someone sucked the ATR credit account > dry. > > -Peter > > Well, for the mind/body aka Peter, there was no > doer of the > initiations, and thus no thief claiming ownership of > the action, and > thus no thief claiming ownership of the ATR credit. > > And the blazing Brahman mind/body aka MMY, was not a > thief of the action > of canceling all ATR credits. > > Thus it appears nature was working on nature, > adjusting karmic account > consistent with Eternal Dharma. No thief, no victim, > no foul. > > So where in the Brahaman is the problem? > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
on 4/5/05 12:05 PM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Can you cite a few examples where they have kept up >> their end of the bargain? >> >> L B S > > When I started teaching TM in 1973, National always > sent the correct percentage back and the correct > percentage into my ATR account. That lasted for a few > years until someone sucked the ATR credit account dry. > -Peter That someone was MMY. He ordered it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
I asked Punditji and he said he is the course. Go figure. -Peter --- rudra_joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > PS. I wonder if Deepak and Punditji are planning on > going ? > > JohnY > > > ---Thank you. > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an > email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
--- L B Shriver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > snip > > > As long as the TMO keeps up their end of the > bargain > > everything will be fine. > > > > Can you cite a few examples where they have kept up > their end of the bargain? > > L B S When I started teaching TM in 1973, National always sent the correct percentage back and the correct percentage into my ATR account. That lasted for a few years until someone sucked the ATR credit account dry. -Peter > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
Oh and then they slapped the name "Maharishi" on front of it.It's business and a money making scheme. It has nothing to do with "purity of the tradition" or rescuing Ayuved.Ayur-greed. yeah, that was my complaint too. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
On Apr 5, 2005, at 10:31 AM, rudra_joe wrote: It is very interesting. Is it enslaving? There's a good bit of choice involved. Much of it is moral choice. I am of the opinion that much of it is "spin". If you were a Vaidya of high repute, if someone approached you and said "we want to revive the science of Ayurveda and make it available to the world" you'd probably bite. And bite they did, until they realized their secrets were being sold, their formulas mass-produced as the most expensive rasayanas on the planet and their therapies were priced for the wealthy, affluent and famous. And it was watered down for the western mindset, things that would offend were removed and it was packaged and sold. Oh and then they slapped the name "Maharishi" on front of it. It's business and a money making scheme. It has nothing to do with "purity of the tradition" or rescuing Ayuved. Ayur-greed.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
It is interesting but also very sad.-It is very interesting. Is it enslaving? There's a good bit of choice involved. Much of it is moral choice. MMY appeals to peoples moral choices, as any religious figure does. My guess is that many of these, so called, slaves are would be just as enslaved to their own moral code regardless of their idol. As I did once, I also put all thought of a larger world out of mind for the sake of peace of mind. But the larger world just wouldn't quit. Also, I couldn't beat it so I joined it. And I'm grateful for my choice. When I look back at the Movement I see myself and my desires, not really much more than that. I did what I wanted including bleaching and dying my hair red when I came off of THP and totally blowing their minds. That was a feeling walking into the domes before superradiance with my hair two tone. Anyone remember that kid? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
On Apr 5, 2005, at 8:45 AM, Peter Sutphen wrote: > Isn't interesting how the TMO wants to > enslave everyone that has value for them? It is interesting but also very sad. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
--- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 4, 2005, at 7:07 PM, Bob Brigante wrote: > > > Chopra is such a public figure, who would still be > just another > > M.D. in Boston if MMY had not given him the > knowledge of Ayurveda and > > other Vedic knowledge > > So you actually believe that Chopra was trained in > Ayurveda by > Maharishi? Interesting. > > There was actually someone on the list just the > other day who kindly > relayed one of the primary reasons Chopra > left--which he heard from > Chopra himself at a book signing. If you are > familiar with the JAMA > case, and given the fact you seem to live > vicariously thru the > movements every machination--I would be surprised if > you did not. > > It is also fairly well known what happened to Vasant > Lad and the > movement. Pretty sick. A friend who trained on the > physicians course in > Fairfield told lots of stories about what went on > with Chopra. Bottom > line: I'm amazed he didn't leave sooner. > > And what happened to Trigunaji and Balraj? They seem > most conspicuous > by their absence. Triguna-ji has always seemed to be a free agent, independently working with spiritual movements that seek his knowledge. I know he's worked with Sri Sri Ravi Shankar's Art of Living Organization, but he's not "part off" Art of Living. Don't know anything about Balraj. Isn't interesting how the TMO wants to enslave everyone that has value for them? -Peter > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
--- wayback71 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 2005, at 8:55 PM, wayback71 wrote: > > > > > I never knew Vasant Ladd had been connected with > the TMO. What > > > happened? I saw him > > > about 16 years ago. Excellent doctor and fine > person. > > > > He was to be "the one" for Ayurveda. Just before > he was to go out to be > > announced at a ceremony--they sprung a document on > him --which he had > > to sign-- which stated he took MMY as his master > and declaring > > obedience to him, etc. Lad has a guru. He broke > into tears. He refused > > to sign. End of story. > > UGH. Being Indian and perhaps eclectic, > nonjudgmental and mature in his views, Ladd > must have been clueless about the TMO m.o to have > gotten so close to being installed and > not have had suspicions about the whole loyalty > thing. He seems to have done well on his > terms. Good for him. I doubt they wanted him to sign a pledge that stated MMY was his guru. But I'm sure they wanted him to sign a contract that put him on the short end of a financial arrangement and also severally restricted or curtailed any ayurvedic activity outside of the TMO. I saw Dr. Ladd when he came to Ffld in the mid 80's. Nice guy. -Peter > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
On Apr 4, 2005, at 8:55 PM, wayback71 wrote: > I never knew Vasant Ladd had been connected with the TMO. What > happened? I saw him > about 16 years ago. Excellent doctor and fine person. He was to be "the one" for Ayurveda. Just before he was to go out to be announced at a ceremony--they sprung a document on him --which he had to sign-- which stated he took MMY as his master and declaring obedience to him, etc. Lad has a guru. He broke into tears. He refused to sign. End of story. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
On Apr 4, 2005, at 7:07 PM, Bob Brigante wrote: > Chopra is such a public figure, who would still be just another > M.D. in Boston if MMY had not given him the knowledge of Ayurveda and > other Vedic knowledge So you actually believe that Chopra was trained in Ayurveda by Maharishi? Interesting. There was actually someone on the list just the other day who kindly relayed one of the primary reasons Chopra left--which he heard from Chopra himself at a book signing. If you are familiar with the JAMA case, and given the fact you seem to live vicariously thru the movements every machination--I would be surprised if you did not. It is also fairly well known what happened to Vasant Lad and the movement. Pretty sick. A friend who trained on the physicians course in Fairfield told lots of stories about what went on with Chopra. Bottom line: I'm amazed he didn't leave sooner. And what happened to Trigunaji and Balraj? They seem most conspicuous by their absence. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
--- Bob Brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob > Brigante" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "jyouells2000" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob > Brigante" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Strictly a cover story -- the fact is that > Chopra's ego, big as > all > > > outdoors, could no longer fit in the TMO, and so > he left. A good > > > portrait of his arrogance and bizarre behavior > is in Esquire > magazine > > > issue of Oct 1995, "Deepak Chopra has a..snff... > cold" > > > > > Have to look it up. > > > > He seemed sincere to me, and mad about it besides. > > I attended 2 WPA's that he lead in the 90's - > liked him. Good > speaker. > > Good front man for the time. > > > > JohnY > > ** > > I did like Chopra's first several books, and > originally he was > personable enough, certainly, to do the job for the > TMO, but I think > he began to lose his glue when he over-meditated in > order to hop > during yogic flying. I think he felt that a big shot > like himself > needed to be a good yogic flier, so he piled on the > meditation, and > his behavior became bizarre (although he was said to > have become a > pretty good hopper) -- it's like that guy on Purusha > who felt that he > was not doing enough to get enlightened, and started > intense > meditation that was way beyond what he should have > been doing. > Ignoring all the warning signs of excessive > meditation, he finally > flipped out: > > http://tinyurl.com/4dphk > > There are people who can handle almost any amount of > meditation, but > Chopra was not one of them, having been before he > started TM just > another doctor with plenty stress (and > booze/cigarette habits IIRC) > stored in his nervous system. Why does someone who once was with the TMO have to labeled as pathological when they leave it? In my encounters with Chopra I found him to be a very decent guy, far from the egomaniac that some people try to smear him with. The only person that knows why he left the TMO is Chopra and he appears to be decent enough to not bad mouth the TMO or MMY (that's left to us here on FFL!). People can leave the TMO and MMY, even stop meditating for perfectly normal, healthy, non-pathological reasons. -Peter > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
on 4/4/05 12:45 AM, m2smart4u2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > signs of excessive meditation, he finally >> flipped out: >> >> http://tinyurl.com/4dphk >> >> > who is this guy? surely he has another name? > Ted Nevels. I wouldn't say he's flipped out. I've spoken with him in the last year and he is very clear and intelligent. A brilliant software designer, among other accomplishments. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
on 4/3/05 10:39 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Strictly a cover story -- the fact is that Chopra's ego, big as all >> outdoors, could no longer fit in the TMO, and so he left. A good >> portrait of his arrogance and bizarre behavior is in Esquire magazine >> issue of Oct 1995, "Deepak Chopra has a..snff... cold" > > No room for anymore big ego's I guess... > No room for people who think creatively and independently. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
On Apr 3, 2005, at 10:24 PM, anonymousff wrote: > I'll present 2 options, feel free to chose: > a. If you have used Vedic match you would have come with better #s. > Your thinking is too linear, the solution comes from a higher > dimension. > > b. The whole cert program is just for PR purpose and more importantly > to check the world consciousness. 550 proves still work needs to be > done. none of the above To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
--- peterklutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > snip > > > > > > By whining that if this company plan does not > work: Oh man, we will > > > become even greater whiners than we were > before.? > > > > > > > > If you were to approach a real business on the > basis you are > suggesting, then real > > businessmen would question your judgment. If one > has examined the > track record of a > > company and concluded that (according to > universally accepted > principles of business) the > > track record was not good, then one should not be > considered a > "whiner" for stating the > > obvious. > > 'real' businessmen? :-) > > They wouldn't even take the time to state what you > think is the > obvious - they'd just move on. > > Time is money. > > 'universally accepted principles of business' :-) > > Do you think there is world of 'universal agreement' > out there on the > prospects of planned business..? > > What Universe do you live in? > > > > > > > > > > > Full of excitement but with caution? > > > > > > Here's a suggestion: take 2-6 months of one's > regular job to give it a > > > try - whilst ensuring there's enough change on > the account to pay the > > > bills for the selected trial period. > > > > > > If it works - excellent! > > > > > > If not, go back to what one did before. > > > > > > > > Quite a few of us here have performed the > experiment you suggest > (perhaps with more > > excitement than caution).. > > Good for you! I am sure the World is a better place > for it. > > Why spoil this by being whiner..? > > After all - the Prize in the TMO is not $$$ but > Enlightenment. What's enlightenment? > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
Yeah, but if only 50 people in the US are certified to teach then they might make some money. - Original Message - From: Bob Brigante To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 6:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote: > Johny & Bob,> > I'm surprised by your negativity towards the rectification course,> you would probably call it 'being realistic' or such.> but know one thing , if MMY had that pattern of thinking towards> world enlightenment then he would have stayed the woods to begin with.> > cheer up**The recert program will fail, without question, as has almost every effort undertaken by the TMO, because of poor planning and failure to consult with level-headed consultants outside of the TM movement as a reality check.I am in favor of things that work for the TM movement, and the recert program will not. Why? Because the price of instruction in the USA is too high at $2500/pop, and it makes far more sense to have part-time teachers when the initiation rate is low like now, because the teachers are not an economic drain on the TMO. Also, you get much better coverage of the country with many part-time teachers than a relative handful of full-timers in big cities (apparently only about 550 teachers have signed up for the recert program).By saying that only a few full-time teachers can teach TM, and guaranteeing (temporarily) a salary of $4K/month, the TMO is committing itself to an expenditure of $2.2 mil/month (assuming 550 full-time teachers). The TMO is not publishing current initiation rates, but I suspect it is no more than 200/month in the USA ; in order to pay the salaries of 550 full-time teachers, 880 initiations per month would be necessary, and that does not include the many other costs of running the TM movement. The TMO has recently sold several properties, which may have brought in ~$30 mil (only one sale price was disclosed) http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html#sales , but the burn rate of having full-time teachers in addition to the expenses associated with the building plans etc of the TMO means that the money will be gone in less than a year (and possibly there is no money available at all if the TMO is spending $40mil on the 40-day 100,000 pundit project in India that is being talked about), and all those people who quit their jobs to be full-time teachers will be back to being part-timers and looking for a job when the TMO pulls the plug on the salary.At one hour and 30 minutes into the 23Mar2005 press conference at mou.org, Maharishi says that it may take centuries for the pundits to restore Vedic civilization in India. With the flawed policy making of the TMO, I think that's a real likely figure unless Maharishi gets some more practical advisers (and as I have noted, these people have to come from outside the culty environment of the TMO crackpot mgmt crew):http://streaming.mou.org/MOU/Mar/wnews_23mar2005prt1_128Bob Brigantehttp://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.htmlTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
on 4/3/05 11:40 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> On Apr 3, 2005, at 11:06 AM, anonymousff wrote: >>> if MMY had that pattern of thinking towards world enlightenment then he would have stayed the woods to begin >> with. >>> >>> Ain't no money in the woods. >> >> or chicks willing to put out > > Gee, you guys are nuts to you think that MMY had been doing all this > for money, chicks or other worldly pleasures you might come up with. > > There are much easier ways to get the above and with just a fraction of > MMY's energy and creativity he could have gotten the same or more > without all the hassle of the TMO. > I agree. The money and chicks were just a fringe benefit. His driving ambition was a cosmic sense of purpose and volcanic creativity. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
on 4/3/05 11:29 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> on 4/3/05 8:33 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> Many of these 550 people may have given up >> jobs, sold houses, etc. to become full time, thinking that they would >> be able to support themselves > > You know that to be so or it's a speculation? > Speculation. That's why I said "may have." I don't know anyone's particular situation. Maybe all 550 were just sitting around doing nothing special with no prior commitments. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
on 4/3/05 10:51 AM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> It could do more harm than good. Many of these 550 >> people may have given up >> jobs, sold houses, etc. to become full time, >> thinking that they would be >> able to support themselves on $4,000 a month. If >> that ends of fizzling out, >> a big chuck of the remaining core may end up >> disillusioned. > > As long as the TMO keeps up their end of the bargain > everything will be fine. > -Peter Oh. Then surely it will be. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
It could do more harm than good. Many of these 550 people may have given upjobs, sold houses, etc. to become full time, thinking that they would beable to support themselves on $4,000 a month. If that ends of fizzling out,a big chuck of the remaining core may end up disillusioned.Yeah, but they won't end up disillusioned again! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
Maybe it was all just April Fools! - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline On Apr 3, 2005, at 11:06 AM, anonymousff wrote:> if MMY had that pattern of thinking towards> world enlightenment then he would have stayed the woods to begin with.Ain't no money in the woods.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
if MMY had that pattern of thinking towardsworld enlightenment then he would have stayed the woods to begin with.cheer up---HhmmmTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/3/05 8:33 AM, jyouells2000 at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> The fact that the Vedic City course is the only > one that's going to > >> happen, and it's not full, should be a tipoff > that the enthusiasm for > >> this recert program is "muted," and unlikely to > have a very long shelf > >> life because of its implausibility and > unworkability, logistically and > >> financially. > > > > I know that it will fall apart, Bob. It's just > seems to be one final > > stab at what was the heart of the TMO (couched in > flowery politically > > correct language, of course). > > > It could do more harm than good. Many of these 550 > people may have given up > jobs, sold houses, etc. to become full time, > thinking that they would be > able to support themselves on $4,000 a month. If > that ends of fizzling out, > a big chuck of the remaining core may end up > disillusioned. As long as the TMO keeps up their end of the bargain everything will be fine. -Peter > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
PS. I wonder if Deepak and Punditji are planning on going ?JohnY---Thank you.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
on 4/3/05 8:33 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> The fact that the Vedic City course is the only one that's going to >> happen, and it's not full, should be a tipoff that the enthusiasm for >> this recert program is "muted," and unlikely to have a very long shelf >> life because of its implausibility and unworkability, logistically and >> financially. > > I know that it will fall apart, Bob. It's just seems to be one final > stab at what was the heart of the TMO (couched in flowery politically > correct language, of course). > It could do more harm than good. Many of these 550 people may have given up jobs, sold houses, etc. to become full time, thinking that they would be able to support themselves on $4,000 a month. If that ends of fizzling out, a big chuck of the remaining core may end up disillusioned. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
On Apr 3, 2005, at 11:06 AM, anonymousff wrote: > if MMY had that pattern of thinking towards > world enlightenment then he would have stayed the woods to begin with. Ain't no money in the woods. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
