Re: [Faudiostream-users] [OT] Discord blues
I just created a "Test Discussion" on GitHub Discussions under the Faust project, but I've received no email notification. I'm enabled for all activity on the Faust project. I also entered a test reply. Does something need to be enabled that isn't? Or maybe I just don't get notifications about what I do. -- "Anything that can be automated should be" ___ Faudiostream-users mailing list Faudiostream-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/faudiostream-users
Re: [Faudiostream-users] [OT] Discord blues
Hi Oliver, Le 2023-03-18 à 11 h 18, Oliver Larkin via Faudiostream-users a écrit : their owners may be harvesting all our data for AI to replace us - I was not referring to that sort of existential risk, but the fact that the Faust team must interact with the most enthusiastic users (which is good thing) that happen to enjoy Discord (for the best). I don't (want to) care about AI, and AI should not care; to me it's a case of "less is more". but both github and discord are absolutely fantastic in my opinion. Thank goodness we've moved on from sourceforge and IRC which were so incredibly un-welcoming. I don't agree with the skepticism here I'm a bit skeptic about a fantastic solution that automagically kicks users out, and I hope that using emails and the Github forum won't trigger similar events (without some sensible human in charge). Case closed. Marc ___ Faudiostream-users mailing list Faudiostream-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/faudiostream-users
Re: [Faudiostream-users] [OT] Discord blues
On 3/16/23 17:32, Stéphane Letz wrote: Like what open-source forum solution ? And what about using GitHub discussions: https://github.com/grame-cncm/faust/discussions, good enough or not ? Stéphane Hi Stéphane, that would be up to the person installing it. I've had experience with phpBB, and I see Discourse ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discourse_(software) ) used on a lot of websites like KiCad's forums for example. My suggestion for forum software is just to maintain publicly searchable archive and running it on the grame site means that the data isn't owned by someone else. I didn't know about the github discussion though, that looks pretty good and I certainly don't recommend further fragmenting of discussions on more platforms but a discussion forum on grame might replace all of the user-centric discussions into a single space. Mike ___ Faudiostream-users mailing list Faudiostream-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/faudiostream-users
Re: [Faudiostream-users] [OT] Discord blues
their owners may be harvesting all our data for AI to replace us - but both github and discord are absolutely fantastic in my opinion. Thank goodness we've moved on from sourceforge and IRC which were so incredibly un-welcoming. I don't agree with the skepticism here discord is great once you turn off the kitschy welcome animations oli On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 3:58 PM Marc Lavallée via Faudiostream-users < faudiostream-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Le 2023-03-17 à 23 h 24, Jaxter a écrit : > > >> I'm trying to avoid GAFAM (and the likes) > > Just a heads-up, GitHub is owned by Microsoft. > > I wrote "I'm trying", not "I succeeded"... Because Faust code is hosted > on Github, the discussion section is handy. > > > Discourse is the big one that I've heard of. I believe the > > ElectroSmith Daisy forum uses it. > > ElectroSmith is using Discourse for the forum, and Discord is used for > chatting (even if Discourse provide chat rooms). > > Discourse is "self-hostable" (on a cloud server) using Docker, or else > it's a bit complex. > > > As far as synchronous chat applications go, Matrix is free, > > self-hostable, encourages using alternative clients, and has good IRC > > integration. Nannou and Zrythm both use it as their main chat > > platform. > > Nannou also use Github and Slack. > > Zrythm also use SourceHut (instead of Github), Mastodon, and Libera.chat > (for IRC). Good choices (imao). > > Matrix looks great. Self-hosting is work, even if there's many options > using Python, Go, Rust... > > My inner Captain Obvious says: investing in communication > infrastructures depends on possible advantages (or existential risks). > > Marc > > > > ___ > Faudiostream-users mailing list > Faudiostream-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/faudiostream-users > ___ Faudiostream-users mailing list Faudiostream-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/faudiostream-users
Re: [Faudiostream-users] [OT] Discord blues
Le 2023-03-17 à 23 h 24, Jaxter a écrit : I'm trying to avoid GAFAM (and the likes) Just a heads-up, GitHub is owned by Microsoft. I wrote "I'm trying", not "I succeeded"... Because Faust code is hosted on Github, the discussion section is handy. Discourse is the big one that I've heard of. I believe the ElectroSmith Daisy forum uses it. ElectroSmith is using Discourse for the forum, and Discord is used for chatting (even if Discourse provide chat rooms). Discourse is "self-hostable" (on a cloud server) using Docker, or else it's a bit complex. As far as synchronous chat applications go, Matrix is free, self-hostable, encourages using alternative clients, and has good IRC integration. Nannou and Zrythm both use it as their main chat platform. Nannou also use Github and Slack. Zrythm also use SourceHut (instead of Github), Mastodon, and Libera.chat (for IRC). Good choices (imao). Matrix looks great. Self-hosting is work, even if there's many options using Python, Go, Rust... My inner Captain Obvious says: investing in communication infrastructures depends on possible advantages (or existential risks). Marc ___ Faudiostream-users mailing list Faudiostream-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/faudiostream-users
Re: [Faudiostream-users] [OT] Discord blues
> I'm trying to avoid GAFAM (and the likes) Just a heads-up, GitHub is owned by Microsoft. > Like what open-source forum solution ? Discourse is the big one that I've heard of. I believe the ElectroSmith Daisy forum uses it. As far as synchronous chat applications go, Matrix is free, self-hostable, encourages using alternative clients, and has good IRC integration. Nannou and Zrythm both use it as their main chat platform. ___ Faudiostream-users mailing list Faudiostream-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/faudiostream-users
Re: [Faudiostream-users] [OT] Discord blues
Le 2023-03-16 à 17 h 32, Stéphane Letz a écrit : And what about using GitHub discussions:https://github.com/grame-cncm/faust/discussions, good enough or not ? I did not know about the discussion section on github; it does look good enough. So there's email lists, a discussion forum and a chat platform, to support a range of interactions, from calm to disruptive. Thanks Stéphane. Marc ___ Faudiostream-users mailing list Faudiostream-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/faudiostream-users
Re: [Faudiostream-users] [OT] Discord blues
> Le 16 mars 2023 à 21:39, Mike Beauchamp a écrit : > > What about getting an open-source forum installed on the grame.fr server? > > I think any knowledge should always be archived and publicly searchable, and > forums do a good job of those things. > > Mike > > Like what open-source forum solution ? And what about using GitHub discussions: https://github.com/grame-cncm/faust/discussions, good enough or not ? Stéphane ___ Faudiostream-users mailing list Faudiostream-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/faudiostream-users
Re: [Faudiostream-users] [OT] Discord blues
What about getting an open-source forum installed on the grame.fr server? I think any knowledge should always be archived and publicly searchable, and forums do a good job of those things. Mike ___ Faudiostream-users mailing list Faudiostream-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/faudiostream-users
Re: [Faudiostream-users] [OT] Discord blues
Le 2023-03-15 à 21 h 38, Julius Smith a écrit : I was avoiding Discord as well because they messed up my account in a way that could not be fixed without creating a new email address (which is something _I_ refuse to do). I finally got around it by coming in on the Mac app instead of a browser. Apparently their browser support is pretty broken. The (multi-platform) app is a web browser because it's based on Electron, but no filtering extensions can be installed, so I suspect it's worse than using a browser. Discord is asking for a phone number, either mine or some other... From a company who have an extremely low score for privacy, this requirement is alarming: https://xgqt.gitlab.io/spywarewatchdog/articles/discord.html The fact that there's warnings about Discord (even if many are dated), that the company changed its image, than hundreds of millions of people are using it for everything (millions simultaneously), that its market value is doubling each year, is not reassuring. I vote for email! The only downside I see is the accumulating indented copies of prior emails in the thread. However, if all clients can organize threads by subject like gmail does, we can stop including those in our replies. I first vote for not using Discord, ever again, because I'm trying to avoid GAFAM (and the likes). Then I vote for emails (my Thunderbird email client is also organizing threads by subjects); they are less distracting than online chat activity, but I may miss important information as chatting is becoming the favored communication method. I admit: I'm old (3% of Discord users have my age), so please excuse my rant. Anyway, if a better (or less bad) platform than Discord (or even Slack) is used, please send the info to the list. - Julius Marc ___ Faudiostream-users mailing list Faudiostream-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/faudiostream-users
Re: [Faudiostream-users] [OT] Discord blues
I was avoiding Discord as well because they messed up my account in a way that could not be fixed without creating a new email address (which is something _I_ refuse to do). I finally got around it by coming in on the Mac app instead of a browser. Apparently their browser support is pretty broken. I vote for email! The only downside I see is the accumulating indented copies of prior emails in the thread. However, if all clients can organize threads by subject like gmail does, we can stop including those in our replies. - Julius On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 4:15 PM Christopher Arndt wrote: > Am 15.03.23 um 18:05 schrieb Marc Lavallée via Faudiostream-users: > > Hoping I could still join he party, I sent a message to Discord, > > asking how I could get in. I came to the conclusion that it won't > > happen, and it's for the best. I'm not asking the Faust community to > > choose some other messaging platform, so have fun and stay safe. > > Discord is an illness that needs to purged. > > Modern chat platforms are ill suited for serious technical discussions > in any case, in my opinion, because they make it hard to focus the > attention on a specific topic. > > Anyway, if you must use one, at least use one that doesn't make it > mandatory to give a foreign company my personally identifiable > information and collects data as business. > > Too many communities are willingly, but unnecessarily colluding with > this s*t and excluding users. There are enough free and decentralized > options. > > > Chris > > > > ___ > Faudiostream-users mailing list > Faudiostream-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/faudiostream-users > -- "Anything that can be automated should be" ___ Faudiostream-users mailing list Faudiostream-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/faudiostream-users
Re: [Faudiostream-users] [OT] Discord blues
Am 15.03.23 um 18:05 schrieb Marc Lavallée via Faudiostream-users: Hoping I could still join he party, I sent a message to Discord, asking how I could get in. I came to the conclusion that it won't happen, and it's for the best. I'm not asking the Faust community to choose some other messaging platform, so have fun and stay safe. Discord is an illness that needs to purged. Modern chat platforms are ill suited for serious technical discussions in any case, in my opinion, because they make it hard to focus the attention on a specific topic. Anyway, if you must use one, at least use one that doesn't make it mandatory to give a foreign company my personally identifiable information and collects data as business. Too many communities are willingly, but unnecessarily colluding with this s*t and excluding users. There are enough free and decentralized options. Chris ___ Faudiostream-users mailing list Faudiostream-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/faudiostream-users
