Re: rawhide report: 20090528 changes

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 05/28/2009 07:35 PM, Rawhide Report wrote:
> Compose started at Thu May 28 06:15:03 UTC 2009
> 
> Updated Packages:
> 
> kernel-2.6.29.4-167.fc11
> 
> * Wed May 27 2009 Kyle McMartin  2.6.29.4-164
> - drm-intel-disable-kms-i8xx.patch: disable KMS by default on 845, 855,
>   and 865. It can be forced on with i915.modeset=1 boot parameter.
> 
> * Wed May 27 2009 Kyle McMartin  2.6.29.4-165
> - Enable KMS/gem on I865.
> - drm-no-gem-on-i8xx.patch: Remove I865 so GEM will be enabled.
> - drm-intel-disable-kms-i8xx.patch: Enable KMS on I865. 
> - Two fixes from Eric Anholt to fix i8x5:
>drm-i915-apply-a-big-hammer-to-865-gem-object.patch
>drm-i915-fix-tiling-pitch.patch
> 
> * Wed May 27 2009 Kristian Høgsberg  - 2.6.29.4-166
> - Add drm-intel-set-domain-on-fault.patch to fix random gem object
>   corruption when swapping (495323 and probably others).
> - Enable kms on 845 and 855 as well, Erics tiling patch should fix
>   those too.
> 
> * Wed May 27 2009 Kristian Høgsberg  - 2.6.4.167
> - Actually disable drm-intel-disable-kms-i8xx.patch.

Seems a lot of back and forth. What's going on? Can someone tell me the
final state of expected behaviour is various cards? It would be useful
to point users to this.

Rahul

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Re: Plans for tomorrow's (20090529) FESCo meeting

[Orcan Ogetbil]

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Jon Stanley wrote:
> Well, I have nothing on the agenda for tomorrow's meeting at this
> point.  Thus, the entire meeting taking place at 17:00UTC in
> #fedora-meeting will be an open floor, unless someone comes up with
> something to discuss between now and then :).
>

I would like to have a pre-review on this proposal before we work on it more:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FedoraStudio

The initial idea was to classify the Audio Creation applications. But
classifying just the Audio Creation applications and leaving the
Audio/Video players, Video Creation applications, etc untouched was
not going be good design. So we tried to come up with a unified
solution, which might still need some polish. This has been discussed
in the fedora-music list this month:

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-music-list/2009-May/msg00020.html

Please express your opinions about this little project.

Thanks,
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Re: Make Fedora 11 use vx800 chipset correctly

[Adam Williamson]

On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 01:12 +0200, Xavier Bachelot wrote:

> > As Adam implied, the openchrome maintainer for Fedora, Xavier Bachelot,
> > is actually also the main upstream developer of openchrome too, so he
> > would presumably be aware of this issue - perhaps you could email him
> > (his email address is in the package info) and see what his take is?
> 
> It's true I'm involved with the openchrome project, but I'm not really a
> developer, and certainly not the main one, I'm unfortunately not skilled
> enough.

Sorry, from the fact you're the one who seemed to be on the other end of
the line all the time, I figured you were!
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Re: Make Fedora 11 use vx800 chipset correctly

[Xavier Bachelot]

Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 10:48 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
> 
>>> Is Fedora planning to make for
>>> VIA graphic chipset autoconfiguration utility? It would be very very
>>> useful.
>> Why would we do that when we could just package a version of the driver
>> that just works?
> 
> Or to put it a different way, we already have a VIA graphic chipset
> autoconfiguration utility - it's the driver detection code in the X
> server. As an added bonus, it works for lots of other chipsets too! :)
> 
> As Adam implied, the openchrome maintainer for Fedora, Xavier Bachelot,
> is actually also the main upstream developer of openchrome too, so he
> would presumably be aware of this issue - perhaps you could email him
> (his email address is in the package info) and see what his take is?

It's true I'm involved with the openchrome project, but I'm not really a
developer, and certainly not the main one, I'm unfortunately not skilled
enough. I'll take this opportunity to outline that the openchrome
project is severely understaffed, and if anyone is looking into getting
involved with an X driver development, there is plenty to do to help us,
either on the 2D driver, but also on the 3D driver (Chrome9 chips are
not supported at all, it would be nice to work on a Gallium3D driver
someday) and on the kernel (Chrome9 DRM needs to be reviewed and
integrated). Especially, if you have interested in the OLPC project, the
X0-1.5 will be based on a VIA chip soon to be supported by openchrome,
so anyone willing to lend a hand is welcome.

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Re: Make Fedora 11 use vx800 chipset correctly

[Xavier Bachelot]

Hi Ajax, Kristaps,

Adam Jackson wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 11:18 +, Kristaps Viesalgs wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> Here is my problem: I am trying to Fedora LIVE USB boot properly X on
>> vx800 chipset/Chrome9 integrated GPU on VED8900 netbook (VIA OpenBook
>> reference design). Default driver \"openchrome\" because of
>> unsupported vx800 can\'t do that. Only some snv version of this driver
>> can boot X correctly.
> 
> Assuming "snv" means svn, I defer to the opinion of the openchrome
> maintainer on this point.  We regularly ship svn snapshots of the
> openchrome driver, but we seem to be on one from March 21.  Don't know
> why it hasn't been updated yet.
>
The current F10 and F11 packages should work just fine with a VX800.
They are more or less what's in openchrome svn trunk. Fwiw, I do have a
Quanta IL-1 working quite nicely.

If your own machine is not working, please file a bug and attach the
xorg conf and xorg log, I'll take a look asap. Make sure you're running
the latest updates though.

>> But it is only one part of prolem: using boot
>> option video=vesafb vga=791, mouse cursor goes invisible. Is there any
>> brutal option how to properly boot X with vesa driver, install Fedora,
>> then make openchrome svn installation?
> 
> vesafb is garbage.  Don't use it.
> 
> If you install with 'xdriver=vesa', the installer will write out a
> minimal config file setting the X driver to vesa.
> 
>> Is Fedora planning to make for
>> VIA graphic chipset autoconfiguration utility? It would be very very
>> useful.
> 
> Why would we do that when we could just package a version of the driver
> that just works?
> 
> - ajax

Regards,
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Plans for tomorrow's (20090529) FESCo meeting

[Jon Stanley]

Well, I have nothing on the agenda for tomorrow's meeting at this
point.  Thus, the entire meeting taking place at 17:00UTC in
#fedora-meeting will be an open floor, unless someone comes up with
something to discuss between now and then :).

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Re: gnaughty is a hot babe

[Dennis J.]

On 05/28/2009 01:06 PM, Simon Wesp wrote:

Michael Fleming  wrotes:
MF>  Hm. interesting case.

MF>  I've got no problem with it. Unlike hot-babe there's nothing even
MF>  remotely resembling depiction here.

personally I am torn between 'go' and 'no-go'

the guidelines says:
"Content must not be pornographic, or contain nudity, whether animated,
simulated, or photographed. There are better places on the Internet to
get porn."

my pro:
this package is free of pornographic content. hotbabe isn't free of
this content.


Why quote the guidline if it clearly doesn't apply in this case?


my contra:
it helps you to get this stuff.
An instigator for a murder is guilty like the murderer himself!


Murder is a crime, pornography isn't so this comparison doesn't make much 
sense. Also Firefox helps you to "get this stuff" too so if that's a reason 
for banning this package then you'd have to ban a lot of other software 
from Fedora too.


I don't see much of a controversy here. The package doesn't try to deceive 
anyone about it's intentions and doesn't contain any objectionable material 
itself.


Regards,
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One (more) week slip of Fedora 11 Release

[Jesse Keating]

A late discovered and just potentially fixed anaconda storage bug[1] has
necessitated another week slip of our schedule.  The change is important
but invasive enough to require re-validating our storage tests.  We were
already late in producing the Release Candidate and there is not enough
time to produce another one and validate it in time for next Tuesday's
release date.  Therefor we have decided to enact another week long slip
of the release.  This gives us time to create a second release candidate
and fully validate it and hand it off to the mirrors in plenty of time
to sync up for the new release date of June 9th.  As much as we regret
slipping, we also wish to avoid easily trigger-able bugs in our release,
particularly in software that cannot be fixed with a 0-day update.

At this time we would only accept tag requests for critical issues.

[1]: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=500808

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Re: What questions would you like to ask the Fedora Board or FESCo Candidates?

[Thorsten Leemhuis]

Hi!

This mail serves as a reminder: Go and add your questions to below
mentioned wiki page over the next 36 hours, otherwise it might be to
late for this election cycle. For details see quoted text below.

Hint: Go and read the questions that were suggested up to now, maybe
they'll help you to come up with an even better questions:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections/Questionnaire

CU
thl

On 19.05.2009 17:07, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> Several seats of the Fedora Board and FESCo are up for election soon(¹).
> Right now we are in the nomination period, which will be followed by a
> "Candidate Questionnaire."  That means we give candidates a list of
> questions to answer by mail before the Town Hall meetings on IRC happen.
> 
> Candidates may choose to answer (or not) those questions as they see
> fit. Voters can use the answers to get an impression of what the
> candidate think or plan to do while serving for the Board or FESCo.
> That should help to get a interesting discussion running during the IRC
> Town Hall meetings. Furthermore, those people that can't or don't want
> to participate in the IRC meetings can use the answers to make a more
> informed vote.
> 
> Hence we need to prepare a few good questions that we can send to the
> candidates once the nomination period ends. And that's where I need
> *your help*: If you have one or more questions you'd like to send to the
> candidates simply go and add them to:
> 
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections/Questionnaire
> 
> It just takes a minute or two, so best to do it right now -- otherwise
> you might get distracted and forget about it. ;-)
> 
> I'll take care of the remaining work to review, sort, and clean up the
> questions(²), and send them to the candidates after the nomination
> period ends. Hence, I need them by around the 27th of May.  I'll later
> collect the answers from the candidates and put them up for pubic
> consumption to give people enough time to read them before the town hall
> meetings start.
> 
> So go to the wiki and add at least one hard question! The answer will
> help Fedora contributors to chose whom to vote for!
> 
> Thanks in advance. CU
>   knurd
> 
> (¹) If you haven't read about it yet see
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections for details.
> 
> (²) If you want to get involved or review the question before I send
> them please drop me a line and I'll get that arranged

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Re: Agenda for the 2009-05-26 Packaging Committee meeting

[Adam Williamson]

On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 07:54 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> On 05/27/2009 01:24 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 15:07 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
> >
> >> I can't wait to see how we depsolve through:
> >>
> >> yum update:
> >>
> >> - foo is updated and recommends bar
> >> - bar conflicts with baz which is also in the update
> >>
> >>
> >> but I'm sure we'll muddle through - provided this is included in upstream
> >> rpm.
> >
> > seems obvious to me that, in that case, bar should simply not be
> > installed (possibly yum could print a note of what happened).
> >
> That may be obvious but I think it makes a lot more work.  Instead of 
> simply having a possible dependency where the suggestion is either used 
> or not depending on a config file option, you have a dependency that 
> must be kept separate from the normal dependencies so that you know you 
> can get rid of it (and it's dependencies) if a conflict arises.

ah, I see what you mean - you're not saying the problem is deciding what
yum should do, but in the actual implementation. Gotcha.
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Re: Make Fedora 11 use vx800 chipset correctly

[Adam Williamson]

On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 10:48 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:

> > Is Fedora planning to make for
> > VIA graphic chipset autoconfiguration utility? It would be very very
> > useful.
> 
> Why would we do that when we could just package a version of the driver
> that just works?

Or to put it a different way, we already have a VIA graphic chipset
autoconfiguration utility - it's the driver detection code in the X
server. As an added bonus, it works for lots of other chipsets too! :)

As Adam implied, the openchrome maintainer for Fedora, Xavier Bachelot,
is actually also the main upstream developer of openchrome too, so he
would presumably be aware of this issue - perhaps you could email him
(his email address is in the package info) and see what his take is?
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Re: Agenda for the 2009-05-26 Packaging Committee meeting

[Toshio Kuratomi]

On 05/27/2009 01:24 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:

On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 15:07 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:


I can't wait to see how we depsolve through:

yum update:

- foo is updated and recommends bar
- bar conflicts with baz which is also in the update


but I'm sure we'll muddle through - provided this is included in upstream
rpm.


seems obvious to me that, in that case, bar should simply not be
installed (possibly yum could print a note of what happened).

That may be obvious but I think it makes a lot more work.  Instead of 
simply having a possible dependency where the suggestion is either used 
or not depending on a config file option, you have a dependency that 
must be kept separate from the normal dependencies so that you know you 
can get rid of it (and it's dependencies) if a conflict arises.


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Re: Make Fedora 11 use vx800 chipset correctly

[Adam Jackson]

On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 10:48 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 11:18 +, Kristaps Viesalgs wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > Here is my problem: I am trying to Fedora LIVE USB boot properly X on
> > vx800 chipset/Chrome9 integrated GPU on VED8900 netbook (VIA OpenBook
> > reference design). Default driver \"openchrome\" because of
> > unsupported vx800 can\'t do that. Only some snv version of this driver
> > can boot X correctly.
> 
> Assuming "snv" means svn, I defer to the opinion of the openchrome
> maintainer on this point.  We regularly ship svn snapshots of the
> openchrome driver, but we seem to be on one from March 21.  Don't know
> why it hasn't been updated yet.

Actually, having looked closer at the package, I see:

# 1106:1122 - VX800 (PCI_CHIP_VT3353)
alias pcivideo:v1106d1122sv*sd*bc*sc*i* openchrome

Which would seem to indicate that it _does_ support this chip.  Perhaps
you could explain what goes wrong when trying to run X on it?
The /var/log/Xorg.0.log file from trying to run it would be informative.

- ajax


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Re: Make Fedora 11 use vx800 chipset correctly

[Adam Jackson]

On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 11:18 +, Kristaps Viesalgs wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Here is my problem: I am trying to Fedora LIVE USB boot properly X on
> vx800 chipset/Chrome9 integrated GPU on VED8900 netbook (VIA OpenBook
> reference design). Default driver \"openchrome\" because of
> unsupported vx800 can\'t do that. Only some snv version of this driver
> can boot X correctly.

Assuming "snv" means svn, I defer to the opinion of the openchrome
maintainer on this point.  We regularly ship svn snapshots of the
openchrome driver, but we seem to be on one from March 21.  Don't know
why it hasn't been updated yet.

> But it is only one part of prolem: using boot
> option video=vesafb vga=791, mouse cursor goes invisible. Is there any
> brutal option how to properly boot X with vesa driver, install Fedora,
> then make openchrome svn installation?

vesafb is garbage.  Don't use it.

If you install with 'xdriver=vesa', the installer will write out a
minimal config file setting the X driver to vesa.

> Is Fedora planning to make for
> VIA graphic chipset autoconfiguration utility? It would be very very
> useful.

Why would we do that when we could just package a version of the driver
that just works?

- ajax


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rawhide report: 20090528 changes

[Rawhide Report]

Compose started at Thu May 28 06:15:03 UTC 2009

Updated Packages:

kernel-2.6.29.4-167.fc11

* Wed May 27 2009 Kyle McMartin  2.6.29.4-164
- drm-intel-disable-kms-i8xx.patch: disable KMS by default on 845, 855,
  and 865. It can be forced on with i915.modeset=1 boot parameter.

* Wed May 27 2009 Kyle McMartin  2.6.29.4-165
- Enable KMS/gem on I865.
- drm-no-gem-on-i8xx.patch: Remove I865 so GEM will be enabled.
- drm-intel-disable-kms-i8xx.patch: Enable KMS on I865. 
- Two fixes from Eric Anholt to fix i8x5:
   drm-i915-apply-a-big-hammer-to-865-gem-object.patch
   drm-i915-fix-tiling-pitch.patch

* Wed May 27 2009 Kristian Høgsberg  - 2.6.29.4-166
- Add drm-intel-set-domain-on-fault.patch to fix random gem object
  corruption when swapping (495323 and probably others).
- Enable kms on 845 and 855 as well, Erics tiling patch should fix
  those too.

* Wed May 27 2009 Kristian Høgsberg  - 2.6.4.167
- Actually disable drm-intel-disable-kms-i8xx.patch.

* Tue May 26 2009 Ben Skeggs  2.6.29.4-163
- drm-nouveau.patch: fix sor dpms (rh#501877)


Summary:
Added Packages: 0
Removed Packages: 0
Modified Packages: 1









Broken deps for ppc64
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Re: Who wants a pony ?

[Paul W. Frields]

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 06:07:19PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 05/28/2009 06:05 PM, jude ui wrote:
> > On 5/28/09, *Marcela Maslanova*  > > wrote:
> > 
> > On 05/28/2009 12:44 PM, Kushal Das wrote:
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > If you want one, review
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=503021
> > 
> > Kushal
> > 
> > It hope in different kind of pony but I'll take the review.
> >  
> > What do ponies have to do with this?
> 
> I suppose you have to actually click on the link to find out.

With Fedora, life apparently *could* be a pony farm.  Who knew?!?

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Re: gnaughty is a hot babe

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 05/28/2009 03:23 PM, Frank Murphy (Frankly3d) wrote:

> Would a cc to legal be in order?
> As a just in case.

It is blocking FE-Legal already.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=503013

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Re: Who wants a pony ?

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 05/28/2009 06:05 PM, jude ui wrote:
> 
> 
> On 5/28/09, *Marcela Maslanova*  > wrote:
> 
> On 05/28/2009 12:44 PM, Kushal Das wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> If you want one, review
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=503021
> 
> Kushal
> 
> It hope in different kind of pony but I'll take the review.
> 
> -- 
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> 
>  
>  
> What do ponies have to do with this?

I suppose you have to actually click on the link to find out.

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Re: Who wants a pony ?

[jude ui]

On 5/28/09, Marcela Maslanova  wrote:
>
> On 05/28/2009 12:44 PM, Kushal Das wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> If you want one, review
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=503021
>>
>> Kushal
>>
> It hope in different kind of pony but I'll take the review.
>
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Re: gnaughty is a hot babe

[Simon Wesp]

"Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)"  wrotes:
MB> And it looks like we have a precedent...
MB> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/p0rn-comfort

mh, cool! ;-)
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Make Fedora 11 use vx800 chipset correctly

[Kristaps Viesalgs]

Hi!

Here is my problem: I am trying to Fedora LIVE USB boot properly X on
vx800 chipset/Chrome9 integrated GPU on VED8900 netbook (VIA OpenBook
reference design). Default driver \"openchrome\" because of
unsupported vx800 can\'t do that. Only some snv version of this driver
can boot X correctly. But it is only one part of prolem: using boot
option video=vesafb vga=791, mouse cursor goes invisible. Is there any
brutal option how to properly boot X with vesa driver, install Fedora,
then make openchrome svn installation? Is Fedora planning to make for
VIA graphic chipset autoconfiguration utility? It would be very very
useful.

Kinds,
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Re: gnaughty is a hot babe

[Ewan Mac Mahon]

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 03:13:32PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> My packaging survey turned up a interesting suggestion
> 
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-May/msg01809.html
> 
> We don't currently have any guidelines covering this but considering the
> Debian action to hot babe
> 
> http://lwn.net/Articles/113644/
> 
> I wanted to asked first,  is this allowed in Fedora?
>

It seems pretty clear-cut based on the existing guidelines and practice.
The guidelines say:
 "code is permitted (assuming, of course, that it has an open source
  compatible license, is not legally questionable, etc.), only some kinds
  of content are permissable"
which seems to imply that /all/ code is permitted provided that it's
open source and not legally questionable (and there doesn't seem to be
any suggestion that this fails either of those tests). Further, one of
the categories of banned content other than porn is "Religious texts",
but Fedora includes SWORD, which is code (but with no content) designed
to handle the bible, so it would appear that packages that are intended
to handle, but do not include, banned content, are OK.

Besides which, there's always the possibility that someone could use the
gnaughty code as a base for a downloader for different content - free
software isn't limited by its original author's intentions, and
shouldn't be tainted by them either.

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Re: gnaughty is a hot babe

[Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)]

> I've got no problem with it. Unlike hot-babe there's nothing even
> remotely resembling depiction here.
>
> It's essentially a download tool a la aria2/d4x/gwget with a particular
> focus/niche and in my opinion fairly innocuous. The author is pretty
> up-front about what it is and what it's for - if that's reflected in
> the %description then the odds on it being installed "accidentally"
> would be fairly low.

And it looks like we have a precedent...
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/p0rn-comfort


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Re: gnaughty is a hot babe

[Frank Murphy (Frankly3d)]

Rahul Sundaram wrote:

Hi

My packaging survey turned up a interesting suggestion

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-May/msg01809.html

We don't currently have any guidelines covering this but considering the
Debian action to hot babe

http://lwn.net/Articles/113644/

I wanted to asked first,  is this allowed in Fedora?

Rahul


Would a cc to legal be in order?
As a just in case.

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Re: gnaughty is a hot babe

[Simon Wesp]

Michael Fleming  wrotes:
MF> Hm. interesting case.

MF> I've got no problem with it. Unlike hot-babe there's nothing even
MF> remotely resembling depiction here.

personally I am torn between 'go' and 'no-go' 

the guidelines says:
"Content must not be pornographic, or contain nudity, whether animated,
simulated, or photographed. There are better places on the Internet to
get porn."

my pro:
this package is free of pornographic content. hotbabe isn't free of
this content.

my contra:
it helps you to get this stuff.
An instigator for a murder is guilty like the murderer himself!

I created a review with the FE-LEGAL blocker, because I didn't see this
email.

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Re: Who wants a pony ?

[Marcela Maslanova]

On 05/28/2009 12:44 PM, Kushal Das wrote:

Hi all,

If you want one, review https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=503021

Kushal

It hope in different kind of pony but I'll take the review.

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Re: gnaughty is a hot babe

[Michael Fleming]

On Thu, 28 May 2009 15:13:32 +0530
Rahul Sundaram  wrote:

> 
> Hi
> 
> My packaging survey turned up a interesting suggestion
> 
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-May/msg01809.html
> 
> We don't currently have any guidelines covering this but considering
> the Debian action to hot babe
> 
> http://lwn.net/Articles/113644/
> 
> I wanted to asked first,  is this allowed in Fedora?
> 

Hm. interesting case.

I've got no problem with it. Unlike hot-babe there's nothing even
remotely resembling depiction here.

It's essentially a download tool a la aria2/d4x/gwget with a particular
focus/niche and in my opinion fairly innocuous. The author is pretty
up-front about what it is and what it's for - if that's reflected in
the %description then the odds on it being installed "accidentally"
would be fairly low.

> Rahul
> 

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Who wants a pony ?

[Kushal Das]

Hi all,

If you want one, review https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=503021

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Re: Agenda for the 2009-05-26 Packaging Committee meeting

[Roberto Ragusa]

Richard W.M. Jones wrote:

> There's no real difficulty here.  The depsolver ignores 'suggests' for
> resolving dependencies.  The UI needs to change to allow these to be
> selected, or in the case of command line tools like yum, to print them
> out at the end.  "You may also be interested in packages A, B and C".

There are a lot of interpretations about how exactly a suggestion
should work.

I'm wondering (just to make everything more complex), how to cope with
suggestions which depend on the presence of two or more
packages.
For example:

- webbrowser
- pdfviewer
- pdfviewerplugin4webbrowser : Requires webbrowser,pdfviewer

I install webbrowser. Should the plugin be suggested?
Reasonably, no.

Then, I install pdfviewer. Should the plugin be suggested?
Reasonably, yes.

How do you handle this?
Maybe a sort of "Enhances:" tag.
- pdfviewerplugin4webbrowser : Requires webbrowser,pdfviewer, Enhances 
webbrowser

This means, if you have the webbrowser, the plugin could be useful, but
it requires something else (pdfviewer), so you (user or rpm/yum) have to decide,
but, at least, you have all the necessary info.

Having a "yum list suggestions" would be great for all this kind
of "x4y-plugin" things, but it is certainly quite complicated
to agree on the implementation (and then default policies).

Just my two (euro)cents.

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Re: rawhide report: 20090527 changes

[Caolán McNamara]

On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 09:50 +0100, Mary Ellen Foster wrote:

> I assume this is from the preinstall script ...
> 
> Bugzilla here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=503003


Minor issue, not specific to this particular rpm, just no-one mentioned
it before.

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gnaughty is a hot babe

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

My packaging survey turned up a interesting suggestion

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-May/msg01809.html

We don't currently have any guidelines covering this but considering the
Debian action to hot babe

http://lwn.net/Articles/113644/

I wanted to asked first,  is this allowed in Fedora?

Rahul

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Re: rawhide report: 20090527 changes

[Mary Ellen Foster]

2009/5/27 Rawhide Report :
> openoffice.org-3.1.0-11.3.fc11
> --
> * Mon May 25 2009 Caolán McNamara  - 1:3.1.0-11.3
> - add in the ia64 and arm fixes for the secondary arch people
> - Resolves(partially): rhbz#495901 No default font-width for wmf export
> - ooo#101567 add Maithili locale data (some dodgy negative value and
>  listseperator though)
> - Resolves: rhbz#499474 soffice and .recently-used.xbel
> - Resolves: ooo#102194 crash export on .doc with unused style in .toc

When I do this update, I see the following warning:
grep: /usr/lib64/openoffice.org/extensions/ogltrans.oxt/description.xml:
No such file or directory
  Updating   : 1:openoffice.org-ogltrans-3.1.0-11.3.fc11.x86_64
   29/72

I assume this is from the preinstall script ...

Bugzilla here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=503003

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Re: Broken dependencies in Fedora 12 Development - 2009-05-22

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 05/23/2009 12:26 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> Your following packages in the repository suffer from broken dependencies:
> 
> package: gnote-0.1.2-2.fc12.i586 from dist-f12-build-current-i386

Fixed by building a new upstream release - gnote 0.4.0

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