Re: packages requiring me to reboot...
On 15/12/09 16:50, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: Hello, I feel like there are an increasing number of packages requiring a system reboot. I'm wondering why. The following updates were installed today, and required a full system reboot. I can't seem to find any package in the list that I can conceivably see requiring a reboot, is it that PK doesn't have the concept of X logout vs reboot? Is it a bug in the packaging or PK or is there anything I can do/file to improve the situation? Personally, I just update, ignore the restart. Shut-down going to bed. Or keep the updates, till bedtime. -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Bugzilla Desktop Client
On 06/09/09 11:17, nodata wrote: --snip-- check it at: http://raj-khalsa.blogspot.com/2009/09/bugzilla-desktop-client-first-phase.html Working on this project is my first experience into the world of Open Source. I'm very new to this field. So I'd appreciate your suggessions and comments for this work. Also, I'm eager to hear you guide me for my future endeavours. :) You might want to look at https://fedorahosted.org/boog/ We need to avoid duplication of work. Kushal Das hasn't started working on the GUI since we are waiting on the design team to provide mockups but he has a command line client that does a bunch of nifty things. Rahul --snip-- Has not abrt already done this simplicity for most users? it also takes care of backtrace. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Bugzilla Desktop Client
On 06/09/09 11:50, nodata wrote: --snip-- Is the abrt data stored in bugzilla? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ABRT -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Commas not allowed in License tags
On 01/09/09 16:53, Iain Arnell wrote: Redistributable, no modification permitted Redistributable though no modification permitted ? -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: enigmail for F-11's thunderbird ?
On 08/08/09 12:39, Gregory Hosler wrote: Hi all, Works fine for me. Did you get TB from Mozilla? I believe enigmail is setup fro the Fedora packaged version of TB, which is on TB 3 Beta2 -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: F-11: system-config-printer -- windows printer -- You are not authorized to carry out the requested action
On 08/08/09 12:53, Gregory Hosler wrote: Frank Murphy (Frankly3D) wrote: On 08/08/09 12:37, Gregory Hosler wrote: The printer is attached to a windows box. At the time of running system-config-printer, the windows box is on. This used to work just fine on F-10 and earlier... All the best, -Greg Sorry Greg, I wouldn't have a clue about the windows end. Your best bet is probably the list url I gave. Where more users, In a similar situation. would be active. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: enigmail for F-11's thunderbird ?
On 08/08/09 17:03, Mail Lists wrote: --snip-- Since the mozilla builds do not provide x64 (which is a shame 64 bit are basically the baseline now with core 2) and the plugins are not 64 bit I am not using them - but if you use the 32 bit mozilla tb and enigmail nightly from mozilla - they do work. So the problem is with the plugin for enigmail - we should ping rpmfusion I guess. bash-4.0$ rpm -qa | grep thunderbird thunderbird-3.0-2.3.beta2.fc11.x86_64 thunderbird-enigmail-0.96a-0.3.cvs20090521.fc11.x86_64 -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: enigmail for F-11's thunderbird ?
On 08/08/09 17:09, Mail Lists wrote: --snip-- bash-4.0$ rpm -qa | grep thunderbird thunderbird-3.0-2.3.beta2.fc11.x86_64 thunderbird-enigmail-0.96a-0.3.cvs20090521.fc11.x86_64 Doh me - its -lightning- that doesn't work - sorry - my enigmail is just fine (tho looks like you haven't yum updated - i have a newer (.beta3) tb tho... Nah, I have it held at b2, b3 was losing folders on me. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Well Done: Rawhide Setroubleshoot Bug Reporting
Excellent, take a bow. -- Regards, Frank jabber | msn | skype: frankly3d http://www.frankly3d.com -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: 2.6.31-0.112.rc4.git3.fc12 on F11: flashing intel xorg driver
On 02/08/09 10:41, Axel Thimm wrote: Hi, in order to debug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=514918 I installed a rawhide kernel (2.6.31-0.112.rc4.git3.fc12). Unfortunately X flashes all the time which makes working graphically very difficult to impossible. But I need to test NetworkManager so I need to get into a non-flashing X somehow. Before I blindly upgrade half my system to rawhide, is there anything I could tune to fix this or maybe a minimal set of packages to upgrade to rawhide? I could perhaps ssh to the system in question, but part of the exercise is to get a working laptop with modbile broadband cababilities, so I do need a working X at the end :) Check with https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=514777 The mjc@ He blogged about such a laptop problem and wanted to hear from people who experienced it. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: 2.6.31-0.112.rc4.git3.fc12 on F11: flashing intel xorg driver
On 02/08/09 11:02, Axel Thimm wrote: Do you have the URL of the blog? Thanks! http://www.advogato.org/person/mjg59/ 27 Jul 2009 -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: F12 rpm on F11 (rpmlib(PayloadIsXz))
On 01/08/09 20:00, Axel Thimm wrote: Hi, I want to test some features of the F12 kernel. Unfortunately rpm's format change stand in the way: I update to F12 rpm, it pulled in 2 other pkgs rpm-libs-4.7.1-1.fc12.x86_64 kernel-2.6.31-0.112.rc4.git3.fc12.x86_64 rpm-4.7.1-1.fc12.x86_64 kernel-firmware-2.6.31-0.112.rc4.git3.fc12.noarch rpm-python-4.7.1-1.fc12.x86_64 (before I knew of the updates-testing), and then got the kernel. No problems so far. re the rpm upgrade -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: new to list, first post
On 31/07/09 00:43, Doug Epling wrote: --snip-- It is apparent from reading all these great howdy-dos to my post, that there is a great difference of opinion on exactly what Fedora is. #1 That's it in a nutshell, Fedora is different things to different people. As I said, it will be interesting to see what goes on here. I got 86 emails today. What I am hearing is some serious dogmatism and a tone that is angrily defensive over assumptions that simply are not true. #2 That's human nature, and is also covered by #1 above. I think this list is very likely a zoo, but I will keep an open mind. But that is why a visit to the zoo is so wondrous. What if they only had Camels. PS: No offence is implied or expressed to any camel that may be reading this :D -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
mcelog, Is it dead\dying?
Found: Merge review 2007 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=226132 Bug: 2009 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=507026 -- Regards, Frank jabber | msn | skype: frankly3d http://www.frankly3d.com -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: openssh-blacklist - careless waste of space.
On 31/07/09 09:37, Jan Chadima wrote: - Conrad Meyerceme...@u.washington.edu wrote: --snip-- Maybe I do not understand your question. Now the srpm and noarch.rpm also 20kB. The build is normal koji build. User (or admin) run the program and then program synchronize the local database of keys to the internet one. I someone have no Internet, it is also the possibility transfer the data on CD, DVD, FLASH or else I think what is meant, it that the app is useless, without either web\media input. Which the user should not have to do to take full advantage of it. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: openssh-blacklist - careless waste of space.
On 31/07/09 17:37, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 09:42 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: I think what is meant, it that the app is useless, without either web\media input. Which the user should not have to do to take full advantage of it. We ship rather a lot of applications which are fairly useless without an internet connection. If the data is downloaded from the internet when you run _the installed program_, I don't see any problem here. I agree, but thought I was clarifying Conrad's comment :( Back to the TV -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: fedora mini revisted
On 29/07/09 23:40, Bill McGonigle wrote: On 07/29/2009 02:47 PM, Ville-Pekka Vainio wrote: I'm not sure how extensions written in Javascript/XUL would be installed. There are rpmfusion packages for thunderbird extensions - thunderbird-enigmail being one I use which puts its files in: Mozilla-adblock is also on the review list, along with one other, name forgotten -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Audio issue...
On 30/07/09 19:55, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:40:03 -0600, Nathanael wrote: Wrong mailing-list. it's being human, and I managed to be polite for once :) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Package Kit messages...
On 30/07/09 20:02, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: Hello, So I recently updated F11 and was told I needed to log off for the changes to take effect. When I click the yield type sign and select log off, I get the dialog for shutdown, restart, hibernate, suspend... Just a small suggestion, maybe I'm off base, but 'Log off' to me is like switch user, its a logout from X. It may be more useful to have the message state 'Restart' than log out... Am I off base? If I'm not, what component would I file against, simply PackageKit ? Kernel, probably got updated in which case. Restart would be preferable. But you should really address user question to the relevant end-user list: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#User_Mailing_Lists usually: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Chromium-3.0.195 fails to start
On 20/07/09 08:37, 梁穗隆 wrote: I download and install the latest rpm of chromium-3.0.195. But it fails to start. snip I hope the bug will be fixed soon. Not a Fedora Package. Maybe contact Google? Regards, Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Any Ruby Packagers Here?
I don't know ruby. But: http://tinyurl.com/9m4wzr is some ruby stuff to identify snippets of Code. Any ruby knowing people willing to package it? Regards, Frank -- jabber | msn | skype: frankly3d http://www.frankly3d.com -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: How to contact Tomáš Bžatek?
On 14/07/09 18:33, Christoph Wickert wrote: Am Dienstag, den 14.07.2009, 13:26 -0400 schrieb Matthias Clasen: Anybody knows how to contact Tomáš Bžatek? Is he still working for Red Hat? I see he has a lot of open bugs (some of them are just getting closed by the bugzappers) without a single comment from him. I set one to NEEDINFO but didn't get a response for months. You can send mail to tbza...@redhat.com, and wait for him to return from conferences and vacation. He was BCC'ed to my previous message with his rh address, so let's hope he responds soon. He works in Europe, so he actually gets noticable amounts of vacation :-) You can put your mind at rest, even in Europe we don't have a year of vacation. ;) Thanks, Christoph Unless a politician :D Regards, Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Purging the F12 orphans
On 14/07/09 19:20, Richard June wrote: I use azureus, and if it's reasonably popular, I'll happily maintain the package. Is there information on whether or not people actually install these packages? I use it. That's as far as it goes at the moment. (keeps my ISP happy) Is there anyway to gauge a download popularity? Regards, Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Wine was: Re: x86_64 packages depends on i586.
On 12/07/09 03:35, David wrote: Would you please name some very modern day applications that are written for the windows platform that will run in a Linux current version of WINE? That will run under the currently available WINE in Fedora 11. Names and versions. _Real_ applications. The ones that ordinary 'users' want. Not the geeky ones that 'Linux geeks' want. I am serious here. Really. The names are...? http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id=2591 All I'm interested in. I also test in wine, but keep forgetting the paperwork. I find makehuman, currently in a position. That it's not a perfect substitute: http://www.makehuman.org/blog/index.php But I keep testing, looking in Regards, Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: x86_64 packages depends on i586.
On 11/07/09 10:41, Jussi Lehtola wrote: snip The x86_64 repo contains some multilib packages. If you don't specify the wanted architecture when installing, yum might install both 32- and 64-bit versions if available. Try adding the .x86_64 arch specifier, e.g. instead of # yum install foo perform # yum install foo.x86_64 Doesn't seem to work for wine :) Regards, Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: an update to automake-1.11?
Take 5, take note of Spot's msg. Regards, Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Anybody know how to contact Axel Thimm (again)?
On 08/07/09 18:51, Bill Nottingham wrote: Jon Ciesla (l...@jcomserv.net) said: Is he not responding at axel.th...@atrpms.net? That's his bugzilla email addess, so that seems to be the case :-( What about i...@fedoraproject.org? i...@fp.o is not Axel. ath...@fp.o just goes to the ATrpms.net e-mail address. Bill Try a who is, it will give an extra addy. Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-legal-list/2009-July/msg00014.html Regards, Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support
On 05/07/09 07:20, Matej Cepl wrote: Jeroen van Meeuwen, Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:30:46 +0200: snip The problem I have with this whole project is that nobody explained me well, why you folks interested in this don't join CentOS project? NIH? Matěj Possibly because CentOS is not Fedora. Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: rawhide report: 20090702 changes
On 02/07/09 13:41, Rahul Sundaram wrote: snip We ship books as packages? Yes and this is not even the first time. Dive Into Python has been in the repo for ages already. Rahul Is there a book group? or what search parameter? Tried yum info Dive Into Python Error: No matching Packages to list Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: rawhide report: 20090702 changes
On 02/07/09 13:47, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 07/02/2009 06:15 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: Is there a book group? or what search parameter? Tried yum info Dive Into Python # yum info diveintopython Since we have more than one book, I guess a new group could be defined as well. If there is consensus on the name, I can add it. Should we just call it Books ? Rahul Books sound ok Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26
On 01/07/09 00:22, inode0 wrote: snip So if the community agreed to these two changes, which seem reasonable to me, then what? Well, I think at this point we hit the real wall in this debate, but I really don't think we can avoid the subsequent requests for more equal treatment by refusing to call GNOME GNOME. John +1 Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: KSplice in Fedora?
On 01/07/09 17:38, Bill McGonigle wrote: On 06/30/2009 06:23 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: The average home user turns his/her computer off when going to sleep, so he/she reboots at least once per day. Unless they are into torrents\limewire, then it's 24/7. Their is quite a lot of normal users in that catagory. Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: FAO: Programmers Quick Q?
On 30/06/09 03:41, Kevin Kofler wrote: Another big issue is what -devel packages to ship. A KDE application developer will have little to no use for GNOME -devel packages and vice-versa. The old Developer spin had only the GNOME -devel stuff on it (it didn't even ship KDE at all), #1 A Poll http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Development#Fedora.2C_Developer_Edition_details which made it completely uninteresting to me. And there are tons of libraries programmers may want to use, we can't ship them all, along with their respective -devel packages, on one spin. Kevin Kofler I know everything cannot go on it, but I want some form of basic consensus. As to what can make a good intro to Fedora as a programmers platform. What I would like to see is none of: DE sucks. Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono
On 29/06/09 09:42, King InuYasha wrote: I don't think you need to really worry about Mono itself. If you really are worried about Microsoft suing your brains out, just remove mono-web and mono-winforms. You don't even need those two for most packaged Mono apps on Linux. Only if you want to run applications compiled for .NET framework on Visual Studio/SharpDevelop. I would be worried about users\devs who use fedora apps which depend on C#. Is C# used just for web-apps (fedora context)? Frank -- Beating my tom-tom -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: FAO: Programmers Quick Q?
Any preference? May I request that you gather a community and get some more progress *before* creating yet another mailing list? We have enough dead or almost dead mailing lists. Adding more isn't useful. Rahul Hopefully after seeing this, some may come on board. If not, then Build it and they will come, hopefully. Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: FAO: Programmers Quick Q?
On 29/06/09 17:17, Mat Booth wrote: As a software engineer, I am also interested in making Fedora the best development distro out there (I do this by packaging Eclipse plug-ins) and I think the formation of a SIG to look after development tools That's why the sig should come first. but I'm having great difficulty in identifying the need for a separate developer /spin/. Presumably the target audience (people like you and I) Valid Point has the where-with-all to discover and install their own tools and a pre-set list of tools chosen for them is almost never going to cut it (Netbeans users tend not to care for Eclipse and vice-versa) so who is the spin for, exactly? The hope will be to use it to attract new developers, whether at their work years, or new in\out of College. To get a taste of f\l\oss programming. Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 11 wireless-tools yum erase?
On 24/06/09 13:30, TK009 wrote: Remember that ultimately Fedora _does_ grant you access to that level of control, should you choose to use it: rpm -e --nodeps is available and does what it says on the tin. The trade-off is you get the responsibility along with the power. :) Good idea As the original OP, original concern has been sorted. Even thought I have purely wired on a number of boxes. There are others, probably the majority at this stage, who use\need both eth\wlan. I would be a bit concerned though, if what Jef's scenario comes through: If wired becomes optional, https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-June/msg01739.html in the future, maybe not included by default? Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Why do we need FC version attached to the package name?
On 22/06/09 08:24, Jesse Keating wrote: That's messed up. We used to check just before release time that this situation never occured. It should probably be added to the rel-eng release checklist if it isn't there already. Dave Not possible while we allow people to keep making updates to the older releases. Those updates quickly become version ( not just release even ) higher than the static copies on the release medium and repos. -- Jes Maybe, freeze all updates nearing a GA, FRank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Why do we need FC version attached to the package name?
On 22/06/09 08:32, Jesse Keating wrote: Maybe, freeze all updates nearing a GA, And keep them frozen indefinitely? -- Jes Duh!, forgot the coffee. That would get the early adopters, then nearing EOL of current eg 9. Only allow updates for 11. Same when 10 is EOL. Just update most recent release Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
The Devel Sig Wiki
I've had no further replies to: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-June/msg00036.html So can I take it nobody minds if I add my name to the sig https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Development#Participants and try get this going again? Frank -- jabber | msn | skype: frankly3d (Skype will be scrapped as my im 1st July 2009) http://www.frankly3d.com -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Announcing LXDE Fedora Remix 11
Can this be stopped. It is not helping. Please Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: gpsdrive and some perl packaging needed
On 18/06/09 04:09, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I was more asking if there were perl packagers interested in packaging/maintaining those packages. I can probibly find time to do it sometime, but I thought someone else might be more quickly able to do so. ;) Thanks. kevin Would it be any benefit to throw this at a perl list, See if a new contributor or two could be grabbed. Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Thoughts? Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?
We've seen arguments, for and against. Statistics and Numbers, thinking! Get the community involved. *Find Out* As I've stated earlier: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-June/msg01015.html Run a poll, get the fp.o to run a poll, and blog\twitter etc. *Don't ask pointed questions* Do you want to keep split-cd for Fedoa X rather What is you preferred method of obtaining Fedora With a realistic range of values as check-boxes\radio buttons. looking at: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-June/msg01426.html I would also included an option, and this would probably go further up the chain. Would you be willing to buy a 4(8)gb usb stick with Fedora X (DVD contents on it), supplied with a boot CD. (This could also be an Ambassador supplied option, either way costs only) If all that can be done by F12 fine, if not defer the whole thing to F13. Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Split Media - A use case
On 15/06/09 08:15, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: I'm providing severl friends and relatives with CD install images via these genned iso's. So at least 5 more CD sets would have been fetched if I didn't do this. What was the underlying reason for the CDS' over DVD\LiveCD? Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: What I HATE about F11
On 15/06/09 01:24, Guido Grazioli wrote: That said, I agree the wheel group should be enabled with sudo, though I disagree that the initial install user should be automatically added to it. But then again, I hate sudo :P I do most scripting that requires root access via root logins directly with ssh and keys. i completely agree and do mostly the same; it would be a good idea (or at least, imho better than an option to add the user to wheel group) to have a generate dsa keypair and add to root authorized_keys checkbox during firstboot user creation. Then just ssh -X for your daily needed root tasks I understand ssh into another box, but this gives the impression that ssh should be used for the box your sitting in front of? Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: No bluetooth for PulseAudio nonbelievers
Thanks Lennart, I really wish Skype would update their crap Did you contact them? Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Porting amarok-1.4 to F11
On 15/06/09 19:02, Ingvar Hagelund wrote: As one of many, I'm the semi-happy owner of an Apple iPhone. The iPhone and the iPod Touch's media player db is well supported under Linux, using tools like libgpod, and iFuse or sshfs for access. Until recently, one could use amarok as a front end to sync content. But amarok-2.x does not (yet) support non-hardware (that is, not found by HAL) mounts. It should be possible to make amarok-1.4 to work on F11. It is still maintained in epel, and the compilation fixes for F11 consisted of adding a few #include statements here and there. So it works - almost. It can read the db, but fails writing to it. While waiting for amarok-2.x to support scripting or fuse mounts, I could use some advice on getting 1.4 to work. All the parts seems to be present, I just can't get them to play together. Ingvar also check out http://www.rockbox.org/ Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?
On 14/06/09 04:47, Jesse Keating wrote: Don't be clouded by who is requesting it. Releng qa anaconda et al would love to stop doing split cds. Less confusion on what to download would be appreciated by many too. We are one of the last distros to still do cd media outside of live media. Is this a case of users not knowing there are better choices than split CDs? Research into those demanding splits should be done and documented by those eager to continue seeing them produced. A thought. Maybe put this to the various Ambassador groupings. EMEA, APAC. etc. Find out from the locals, what it's like on the ground. If it comes back that Area X,Y. are the main splitters. For HW,BW reasons, whatever. Ask them do a poll in their localities, schools, workplaces. They are best placed. Just worried about any negative karma. *Fedora dumps on xyz* Frank -- jabber | msn | google-talk | skype: frankly3d (Skype will be scrapped 1st July 2009) http://www.frankly3d.com Mailing-List Reply to: Mailing-List -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: What I HATE about F11
On 14/06/09 16:07, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: snip However I agree with you that samba is always a pain to setup on new systems. I do not hate it, but I wish this had been made easier. Logging into X as root? I can't comment on this as I didn't ever feel the need to do that. I didn't know it was prevented by a Nazi force. They probably have a very good reason. Peace, Orcan Why not install ebox-platform. Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?
On 13/06/09 19:22, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: - Itamar Reis Peixotoita...@ispbrasil.com.br wrote: the user's still able to install using netboot.iso. Yeah some guy in a mud hut with no DSL only a 56k modem, Power 4 hours a day... NetInst FAIL. Just curious. But if a user has bandwidth problems, how is\are mutiple CD's going to help, or is it purely on hardware grounds, no dvd-rom. Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: rpmconf - tool to handle rpmnew and rpmsave files
On 12/06/09 17:00, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 14:30 +0200, Miroslav Suchý wrote: I've been tired for some time of watching rpmnew and rpmsave files. I've been looking for some tool, but did not find any, so I wrote my own. http://miroslav.suchy.cz/fedora/rpmconf/rpmconf Before I spend more times on this script, I would like to hear your opinion. Do you find it useful? Did it already exists and I miss it in my search? There is something similar in Fedora, yum-plugin-merge-conf (not installed by default) currently is supports vi(m) Now if you could modify this to use Meld lets say: meld-1.2.1-3.fc11.noarch : Visual diff and merge tool there would be a gui version. But, what I would say is, if you want go ahead, that is the beauty of F\l\OSS *choice* Maybe with your also Meld as a frontend? Frank -- jabber | msn | google-talk | skype: frankly3d (Skype will be scrapped 1st July 2009) http://www.frankly3d.com Mailing-List Reply to: Mailing-List -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: x86_64 kernel + i586 F11 userspace + yum
Paul Jakma wrote: On Tue, 9 Jun 2009, Warren Togami wrote: setarch i386 chroot /path/to/i586root Do this and yum will behave properly. Ok, that should improve things if I want to do a series of installs. Thanks! It's still extra typing though. Also, any ideas on having the x86_64 kernel auto-updated (while keeping userpsace i586)? regards, in fedora.repo\updates.repo you could try adding excludepkgs=kernel* Maybe create a 64bit repo with includepkgs=kernel(64) Open to correction on this. Frank -- msn: frankly3d skype: frankly3d Mailing-List Reply to: Mailing-List Still Learning, Unicode where possible -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Interested in scanning?
Bastien Nocera wrote: Heya, Yesterday, I was browsing Ubuntu's Blueprints for their next release, and saw this: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-gnomescan gnome-scan is already packaged by Deji, but I gather that more integration work could be done to make setting up and using scanners easier in GNOME and Fedora in general. Any takers? Am Interested I think a good start would be making a list of problems seen in setting up scanners (additional packages required, tweaks), and make sure that gnome-scan and the necessary plugins are installed in a default installation. Not sure if have the necessary skills yet. If I got some mentoring, would be up for it. Cheers /Bastien, who doesn't own a scanner Brand X Scanner (PCline?) FRank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Packager = Programmer?
Does trying to become a packager. Involve being currently a Developer, as in Programming skills\certification, whether Perl\Python\c++ etc. Frank -- msn: frankly3d skype: frankly3d Mailing-List Reply to: Mailing-List Still Learning, Unicode where possible -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Maintainer Responsibilities
Matej Cepl wrote: but I think if somebody skilled in programming Perl (hint, hint) would work on https:// bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=189813 (and its upstream counterparts), situation of our reporters COULD improve. Matěj Is it time then to setup programming-l...@fedoraproject.org as distinct from Packaging\Maintaining Where those involved in the project and aspiring programmers\students can maybe be sent. For both mentoring\ and practical involvement with some sort of wiki page\wishlist. Frank -- msn: frankly3d skype: frankly3d Mailing-List Reply to: Mailing-List Still Learning, Unicode where possible -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Maintainer Responsibilities
Kevin Kofler wrote: Ralf Corsepius wrote: Me thinks, your are just being lazy and are trying to rudely push around Fedora's user base. customer-friendliness is something entirely different from your attitude. Fedora's customers aren't paying us anything, That's the way it was\is setup. so they can't expect to get the equivalent of paid support. We're doing what we can to help people. +1 But expecting unpaid volunteers to relieve the user of even the slightest chore when he/she can easily do it him/herself and to spend his/her volunteer time playing proxy between user and upstream is quite rude. The users are getting something for free, it's not their right to complain about the gift horse saying they wanted a pony instead. But they are entitled to know the horse can walk. Who wants a lame horse paid for or not. However as I studied Customer Affairs, I will chime in. People aka users, can be thick. But paid or not, it is not the Packagers place to tell them so. One Disgruntled Customer\User\Person, is bad publicity. Especially if the Project wants users to both *Use and test* the Offerings. What may be worth looking into, is an expanded version of the Anaconda reported. Whereby if a bug happens, a window will pop up encouraging user to report bug's. If necessary at that point sign user up to bugzilla Packageer\Maintainer will determine if Fedora Problem\ with Project help if necessary. If upstream problem, ask reporter if they are *OK*, with bug going upstream, and have a generic helpful text ready to help them. Which could be CP into bug comment. Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Mono ( Moonlight) Licensing? Revisited
http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25215/1090/1/1 Not intending to burn the house down. But, going by this article: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25215/1090/1/1 Dated 25th May. Unease sets in. Frank -- msn: frankly3d skype: frankly3d Mailing-List Reply to: Mailing-List Still Learning, Unicode where possible -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Is The Devel Sig alive or Dead?
Lat meeting log seems to be: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Development#Communication Frank -- msn: frankly3d skype: frankly3d Mailing-List Reply to: Mailing-List Still Learning, Unicode where possible -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Is The Devel Sig alive or Dead?
Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 05/31/2009 05:42 PM, Frank Murphy (Frankly3d) wrote: Lat meeting log seems to be: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Development#Communication It's not active anymore. The Fedora Development custom spin has also been dropped. Guessing lack of Interest? So what would be the best Install Desktop + what devel. Packages required. Or could I use F10-Devel and update using Revisor\kickstart? Frank -- msn: frankly3d skype: frankly3d Mailing-List Reply to: Mailing-List Still Learning, Unicode where possible -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Fedora Mips\Arm Processors?
Looking at following: http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2009/05/the-mips-processor-and-the-150-1.html How is Fedora in regards to running mips\arm processors? Frank -- msn: frankly3d skype: frankly3d Mailing-List Reply to: Mailing-List Still Learning, Unicode where possible -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: gnaughty is a hot babe
Muayyad AlSadi wrote: in case you have accepted to put such packages in the repo please maintain a wiki page listing all of them so that we can add exclude for all of them in fedora .repo files sorry, but our users trust us [in ojuba.org spin] to provide packages that respect our family values and moralities As long as they are not installed by default, I don't see the problem. If they do get installed, it would probably not be an accident. Whatever the moral\cultural situation Frank -- msn: frankly3d skype: frankly3d Mailing-List Reply to: Mailing-List Still Learning, Unicode where possible -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: gnaughty is a hot babe
Muayyad AlSadi wrote: - yum as I said I demand for a list even if it's with false positives Couldn't it be the job of those who care to maintain this list in the first place ? no problem, just give me a procedural way other than watching all packages in pkgdb [so that I catch them before they are submitted to the repo] I think Package Review list does this already. Sign up you will know in advance. There is only a certain number of entries per day. Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Devel-Spins F11\Rawhide?
What is the most recent Devel-Spin? Will there be one for GA? Frank -- msn: frankly3d skype: frankly3d Mailing-List Reply to: Mailing-List Still Learning, Unicode where possible -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Why not to create Fedora-us and Fedora-non-us branches?
Bill Nottingham wrote: Peter Lemenkov (lemen...@gmail.com) said: ... what exactly are you trying to accomplish? Make it legal to ship MP3 code? Sorry, those are patented in Europe as well. Patents are *currently* illegal in Europe, (though they may be granted). The patents offices being self-funding and all that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_patents_under_the_European_Patent_Convention Article 52 Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
