Re: Dial-in
On 2/12/08, Paul W. Frields [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 09:33 -0600, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: If some sort of verbal interaction was desired I think that you'd need to conduct the meeting more like I've seen various school board and city council meetings conducted.All members of the board would be connected via a SIP client and would have full-duplex audio. Members of the general public would be able to listen in on the audio streaming site. If someone had something to present or a question to ask would need to request the floor, probably though a IRC channel. Once granted permission by the chair of the meeting, you'd be sent a private SIP URL to connect to which would give you access to the conference call. Once your turn at the microphone was over the SIP URL would be disabled. Yes, this does limit somewhat a more free-flowing discussion, but it also keeps chaos at bay. CC:ing f-a-b since this relates to its readers as well. This sounds like a workable solution if we want call-in questions -- do we have the technical bits to support it? Well, we already have an Asterisk server up and running, and it's easy enough to control access to a conference room through authenticated SIP connections. I'm working on setting up Flumotion on the Asterisk box and getting the audio flowing (although having the Flumotion server on the Asterisk box may or may not be the best final location). There are a number of SIP clients in Fedora that seem to work well for people. The scripts for creating/deleting private SIP URLs to allow guests to speak to the board will need to be developed but shouldn't be too complex. Jeff ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Haskell Packaging Guidelines Review
I'm CCing this to infrastructure, hopefully they can create a list. I already requested one. :) Jens ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Haskell Packaging Guidelines Review
On Feb 12, 2008 7:18 PM, Jens Petersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Yaakov, Sorry for the late followup. Glad to have you join our Haskell SIG. :) I've been working on writing up guidelines for packaging Haskell packages. I need some input from people who know their way around Fedora very well. Some of the issues involved nuances of Haskell, but many of them are questions because I don't know enough about Fedora myself. If any one has the time to give these a looking over, and comment on some of the points where I've left question marks, it would be very helpful so that hopefully I might have a few interesting things in for Fedora 9 Beta. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/Haskell Thanks for working on this. It is something that the Haskell SIG had not got round to doing yet. Though we are not that big, I think it would help to make a fedora-haskell-list for the SIG, so that we can focus more on the discussion there, since there is so much traffic on f-d-l. I will try to review your draft carefully soon, and provide some feedback. Thanks Jens. I'm glad to see that people are finally picking up on this. I'm CCing this to infrastructure, hopefully they can create a list. -Yaakov ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Self Introduction
Hi! I'm Jared Smith, and I'm finally getting around to introducing myself. I've been a long-time lurker on the IRC channel and the mailing list. OK, so what do you need to know about me? Let's see... I've been using Linux professionally for about ten years now, and was using various flavors of UNIX before that. I managed over 6500 Linux boxes at a previous employer, and racked a fair number of those myself. I've pretty much been there, done that, and still have the scars to prove it when it comes to managing IT infrastructure and data centers. I'm also big into VoIP (and even co-authored an O'Reilly book on Asterisk), so I'm hoping to help out jcollie and mmcgrath in that area as well. I'm currently working for Digium (the company behind Asterisk) as their Community Relations Manager and lead trainer. I've also done quite a bit of database work (mostly PostgreSQL) and some programming in various languages. Anyhoo, enough about me... -Jared Smith (jsmith on IRC) ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Dial-in
On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 09:33 -0600, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: On 2/12/08, Jon Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 12, 2008 9:42 AM, Jeffrey Ollie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After writing the message last night I dug a bit more into the details of hooking up Asterisk and Flumotion and I definitely think that it'll be possible. I think that combining Asterisk and Flumotion give us the best of both worlds - use Asterisk to bring together the board members This sort of eliminates the possibility of a town hall type meeting though (which I thought was the whole point), where there's interaction between the Board and the community Unless questions are accepted via IRC, for instancebut you still lose the verbal interaction. May or may not be a big deal. Having tens or hundreds of people in an Asterisk conference call would not be feasible I think. The management interface for the conferencing isn't great so it'd be difficult to moderate who has the floor, etc. I'd have to look at the code to be sure, but I'm not sure if the mixing code optimizes out silent frames, and getting various SIP clients to stop transmitting frame is problematic because many NAT implementations need the two-way RTP flow to keep the ports open - Asterisk has RTP timeouts as well. If some sort of verbal interaction was desired I think that you'd need to conduct the meeting more like I've seen various school board and city council meetings conducted.All members of the board would be connected via a SIP client and would have full-duplex audio. Members of the general public would be able to listen in on the audio streaming site. If someone had something to present or a question to ask would need to request the floor, probably though a IRC channel. Once granted permission by the chair of the meeting, you'd be sent a private SIP URL to connect to which would give you access to the conference call. Once your turn at the microphone was over the SIP URL would be disabled. Yes, this does limit somewhat a more free-flowing discussion, but it also keeps chaos at bay. CC:ing f-a-b since this relates to its readers as well. This sounds like a workable solution if we want call-in questions -- do we have the technical bits to support it? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Dial-in
On 2/12/08, Jon Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 12, 2008 9:42 AM, Jeffrey Ollie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After writing the message last night I dug a bit more into the details of hooking up Asterisk and Flumotion and I definitely think that it'll be possible. I think that combining Asterisk and Flumotion give us the best of both worlds - use Asterisk to bring together the board members This sort of eliminates the possibility of a town hall type meeting though (which I thought was the whole point), where there's interaction between the Board and the community Unless questions are accepted via IRC, for instancebut you still lose the verbal interaction. May or may not be a big deal. Having tens or hundreds of people in an Asterisk conference call would not be feasible I think. The management interface for the conferencing isn't great so it'd be difficult to moderate who has the floor, etc. I'd have to look at the code to be sure, but I'm not sure if the mixing code optimizes out silent frames, and getting various SIP clients to stop transmitting frame is problematic because many NAT implementations need the two-way RTP flow to keep the ports open - Asterisk has RTP timeouts as well. If some sort of verbal interaction was desired I think that you'd need to conduct the meeting more like I've seen various school board and city council meetings conducted.All members of the board would be connected via a SIP client and would have full-duplex audio. Members of the general public would be able to listen in on the audio streaming site. If someone had something to present or a question to ask would need to request the floor, probably though a IRC channel. Once granted permission by the chair of the meeting, you'd be sent a private SIP URL to connect to which would give you access to the conference call. Once your turn at the microphone was over the SIP URL would be disabled. Yes, this does limit somewhat a more free-flowing discussion, but it also keeps chaos at bay. Jeff ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Dial-in
On Feb 12, 2008 9:42 AM, Jeffrey Ollie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After writing the message last night I dug a bit more into the details of hooking up Asterisk and Flumotion and I definitely think that it'll be possible. I think that combining Asterisk and Flumotion give us the best of both worlds - use Asterisk to bring together the board members This sort of eliminates the possibility of a town hall type meeting though (which I thought was the whole point), where there's interaction between the Board and the community Unless questions are accepted via IRC, for instancebut you still lose the verbal interaction. May or may not be a big deal. ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Moin 2.0 (or as I call it, mediawiki)
Jeffrey Ollie wrote: From what I can tell the state of exporting docbook from MediaWiki isn't very good. Perhaps that would make a good GSoC for someone. I don't know if we'd want to run two wikis, but what about using DocBookWiki for editing the docs? http://doc-book.sourceforge.net/homepage/ Will the Docs Project need the wiki for writing documentation if we will soon have the new Docs platform that DaMaestro is working on? If they still will, then there's one thing to take into account: Fedora already had a GSoC project which improved Moin's DocBook exporting support http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.6-docbook-mvirkkil/. We haven't been very successful in getting our code into upstream and in this case they would want a maintainer for that code as well before merging it. Nobody has stepped up to do it, but still migrating to MediaWiki might cause us losing the work of one GSoC project and having to set up another doing basically a lot of the same work on a different platform. (I'm not saying we absolutely shouldn't migrate to MediaWiki - and the decision isn't mine to make anyway - but I just wanted to mention this as it came up in the discussion.) -- Ville-Pekka Vainio ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Dial-in
On 2/12/08, Paul W. Frields [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we could stream to Ogg Vorbis, that would be superb. I'm not hung up on Asterisk as an app, just want to make audio available real-time to listeners so they can see what happens in a typical Board meeting. After writing the message last night I dug a bit more into the details of hooking up Asterisk and Flumotion and I definitely think that it'll be possible. I think that combining Asterisk and Flumotion give us the best of both worlds - use Asterisk to bring together the board members and to mix the audio, and use Flumotion to create a scalable audio streaming solution to get the audio out to the general public. Having a Flumotion server set up would be good for streaming things like FUDCon too. Jeff ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Moin 2.0 (or as I call it, mediawiki)
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Mike McLean wrote: Mike McGrath wrote: So I spent some time last night and produced this: https://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/wiki/index.php/FedoraMain Are the mediawiki access controls sufficient for our needs? iirc they are pretty limited compared to moin's, but I'm not sure to what extent we're using them. That is an area we will see a change. There is an acl framework I've got setup on the test wiki. Moins is more self-service then mediawiki's for sure. I'm trying to figure out how to make it more self service then it is but I think even at its current state it will suit our needs by making some pages read-only for people and making others non-public. I guess it serves us right for doing such things to a wiki. -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Dial-in
On Mon, 2008-02-11 at 23:53 -0600, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: On 2/11/08, Paul W. Frields [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Board would like to set up a town hall style meeting for our first meeting in March, if possible. (The timeline is not strict, but I'd like to be able to start telling the community our actual timeline very soon.) We'd like to support call-ins so people can hear the Board's meeting publicly. I have no idea how many people would actually show up to listen, but let's assume it's in the 50-100 range, and maybe we're nearly right. Can we support this with our current Asterisk setup in Fedora? I've been thinking about this a bit and I'm not sure if pure Asterisk is the right tool for this. The Asterisk conferencing just isn't very efficient for handling a few talkers and many listeners, plus Asterisk doesn't always scale well. What I see is something like this: 1) Board members use a SIP client to dial into an Asterisk conference call. We'll need to make sure that board members have a properly configured SIP client as well as a decent microphone/headset (built-in mics on laptops need not apply). 2) Audio from the conference call is fed to a Flumotion (GPL and already in Fedora) streaming server where the general public can listen in. Totem (and plenty of other F/OSS apps in Fedora) should be able to stream the audio from the Flumotion server directly. For those who need to use another OS to listen in we could use Fluendo's Cortado Java applet (GPL but not yet in Fedora AFAICS). The key is figuring out how to get the audio from the Asterisk conference to the Flumotion server, but I'm sure that the Fluendo folks would be willing to lend a hand on the details. If we could stream to Ogg Vorbis, that would be superb. I'm not hung up on Asterisk as an app, just want to make audio available real-time to listeners so they can see what happens in a typical Board meeting. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Moin 2.0 (or as I call it, mediawiki)
On 2/12/08, James Laska [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike McGrath wrote: So I spent some time last night and produced this: https://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/wiki/index.php/FedoraMain My apologies ... I'm not tremendously familiar yet with mediawiki editing yet. Is similar Macro functionality available (e.g. Include())? Yes: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Advanced_editing#Including_another_page.E2.80.94transclusion_and_templates It's also very easy to create your own plugins - I've done several small ones for an internal wiki. I recall quaid indicating this in the past, but export as docbook is available? From what I can tell the state of exporting docbook from MediaWiki isn't very good. Perhaps that would make a good GSoC for someone. I don't know if we'd want to run two wikis, but what about using DocBookWiki for editing the docs? http://doc-book.sourceforge.net/homepage/ Jeff ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Moin 2.0 (or as I call it, mediawiki)
Mike McGrath wrote: So I spent some time last night and produced this: https://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/wiki/index.php/FedoraMain My apologies ... I'm not tremendously familiar yet with mediawiki editing yet. Is similar Macro functionality available (e.g. Include())? I recall quaid indicating this in the past, but export as docbook is available? Thanks, James -- == James Laska -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality Engineering -- Red Hat, Inc. == ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
