Re: Calendaring system?
I've not used it in a while, and it is php based (I seem to remember that being frowned upon) however I believe it supports caldav/ical at least for publishing and supports numerous other plugins. Has any one considered Horde and it calender (kronolith?) Plugin, I believe they are already packaged in fedora. On 9 Feb 2009, 10:18 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 12:58 -0700, Clint Savage wrote: I think the point I'm continuing to make i... Right, Clint and I are definitely thinking along the same lines here. I think it's worthwhile outlining the Glorious Future Vision, so you can see what Clint and I are driving for here. What we'd like to have is a beautiful calendar system, where all Fedora-related events are stored. It'd have each team's meetings and test days and so on listed in it, the dates when Fedora pre-releases and final releases are due out - anything Fedora-related with a specific date and time on it could be stored here. And, critically, it needs to support CalDAV so that we can pull that data into other places. Most usefully for an end user, you could pull whichever particular project's dates you wanted into Evolution, Lightning, KDEPIM or whatever, so that you can see the dates in your regular client, and set alarms based on them and so on. The problem with a purely web-based system is it becomes yet another damn place to log in to, and you can't really set alarms on it. -- adamw ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infr... ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Calendaring system?
Would it be possible to get a features list that is ideal I understand what you want but, do we know of anything that supports that and is able to run within our environment? In terms of running Java Apps, Its not that hard, we've been running 3 or 4 jboss clusters here for a couple of years and had absolutely no problems with anything server side. Nothing major anyway, apache (httpd) issues with it, but not with Jboss. The only issues we have had has always been application dependant. And in most cases a bounce of the war file would resolve the issue (temporarily) If there isn't enough skill to support that sort of environment then are we looking more towards a slightly more bespoke solution? 2009/2/9 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 12:58 -0700, Clint Savage wrote: I think the point I'm continuing to make is that it should support caldav or something similar. The protocol defines a protocol, so the client applications themselves shouldn't matter, but we do need to have a way to communicate with the calendar server. My intention isn't to discount MediaWiki or Zikula as a possible platform for a calendaring client, but to say that the features you suggest are not what we're after here. Instead I'd say that those two applications could push/pull data from the calendar server (using caldav). The events listed in the caldav server can be manipulated by these other applications and probably through an API which could include Access Control Lists based upon FAS rights. I can see this being a bit of an undertaking, but it can really benefit the Fedora Project as a whole. As I stated in my previous email, I've got a draft up of all the features we'd like to see (it's pretty empty right now) and I'll probably go ahead and list some of this email there. But for those of you who are interested in helping me get that wiki page more complete, feel free to visit: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Herlo/Fedora_Calendar_Project_Desired_Features_(Draft)https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Herlo/Fedora_Calendar_Project_Desired_Features_%28Draft%29 Keep the thoughts coming, I want to see this project succeed! Cheers, Clint Right, Clint and I are definitely thinking along the same lines here. I think it's worthwhile outlining the Glorious Future Vision, so you can see what Clint and I are driving for here. What we'd like to have is a beautiful calendar system, where all Fedora-related events are stored. It'd have each team's meetings and test days and so on listed in it, the dates when Fedora pre-releases and final releases are due out - anything Fedora-related with a specific date and time on it could be stored here. And, critically, it needs to support CalDAV so that we can pull that data into other places. Most usefully for an end user, you could pull whichever particular project's dates you wanted into Evolution, Lightning, KDEPIM or whatever, so that you can see the dates in your regular client, and set alarms based on them and so on. The problem with a purely web-based system is it becomes yet another damn place to log in to, and you can't really set alarms on it. -- adamw ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Calendaring system?
On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 08:10 +, Matthew ... wrote: Would it be possible to get a features list that is ideal I understand what you want but, do we know of anything that supports that and is able to run within our environment? That's what Clint's page is about - it's a list of candidates we can evaluate to see if they meet our needs. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Calendaring system?
To clarify what I was after, if you look at the following link: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Herlo/Fedora_Calendar_Project_Desired_Features_(Draft)#Solution_requirements Which has no must have requirements and no Should have requirements. From reading through this email thread it is clear that not just any calendar solution will do. Before seeing if the list of calendars on the page meet the requirements it would be helpful to know what the requirements are so each calendar solution could be evaluated fairly. I appreciate that it may not be known what exactly is required but at the least you have some things highlighted here... It must be able to store events, recurring events, send out reminders, allow people to plug it in to their mail client, allow it to be viewed from a web page, support CalDav / iCalendar etc etc With these requirements listed it would be easier and fairer to evaluate the solution needed, I imagine then the Infrastructure team would be able to work out the how to make it happen or if it is even possible to meet all requirements, or to suggest alternatives. Hope that helps explain what I was thinking in my head. 2009/2/10 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 08:10 +, Matthew ... wrote: Would it be possible to get a features list that is ideal I understand what you want but, do we know of anything that supports that and is able to run within our environment? That's what Clint's page is about - it's a list of candidates we can evaluate to see if they meet our needs. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Calendaring system?
2009/2/10 Matthew ... soimafr...@gmail.com: To clarify what I was after, if you look at the following link: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Herlo/Fedora_Calendar_Project_Desired_Features_(Draft)#Solution_requirements Which has no must have requirements and no Should have requirements. Add some requirements. It's a wiki and can be edited :) From reading through this email thread it is clear that not just any calendar solution will do. Before seeing if the list of calendars on the page meet the requirements it would be helpful to know what the requirements are so each calendar solution could be evaluated fairly. No argument, that page is a draft and needs editing. I'm hoping we get a collective of suggestions/requirements. I appreciate that it may not be known what exactly is required but at the least you have some things highlighted here... It must be able to store events, recurring events, send out reminders, allow people to plug it in to their mail client, allow it to be viewed from a web page, support CalDav / iCalendar etc etc With these requirements listed it would be easier and fairer to evaluate the solution needed, I imagine then the Infrastructure team would be able to work out the how to make it happen or if it is even possible to meet all requirements, or to suggest alternatives. Those sound somewhat reasonable, let's get them on the wiki page. If you don't have wiki formatting skills, don't worry, I'll format it once you've added them to the right section. I completely agree with your thinking and thus why I created the page. I'm not the master here, just trying to make it possible for others to have a say. Getting that information on the wiki page is critical to determining what calendaring solution we use. I'll be adding stuff too, but just haven't had time to do so. Anyone, with a FAS account can edit the wiki. Cheers, Clint ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Calendaring system?
Adam Williamson wrote: Hi, guys. Uh, quick intro for those who see the redhat.com and wonder who I am - I'm Adam Williamson. I'm new in the Fedora QA department here at RH, my job is to drive community involvement in Fedora QA. I came over from Mandriva where I was the community manager. I'll be working from my home in Vancouver, Canada. I'm new on the list so this may have come up before, in which case apologies :). Something I thought would be nice to have for QA community is a public calendar system where dates of events like test days can be published. Obviously it's silly for me personally or the QA team to take on the job of hosting a calendar server, but it was suggested that it would be a good project for the infrastructure team, and other groups within Fedora could probably benefit from it. Does it sound like a good idea? Anyone want to have a go? Or is there something already, that I don't know about? Thanks! I've not seen anything in this thread yet, so it may have been mentioned before; MediaWiki has a couple of calendering plugins that will allow days to be allocated; I looked into this for our meeting schedule but since none of them include any times for appointments I found it to be useless. Nonetheless, it could be worthwhile for allocating Test days and Events -and things of the sort. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Calendaring system?
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Jeroen van Meeuwen kana...@kanarip.com wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: Hi, guys. Uh, quick intro for those who see the redhat.com and wonder who I am - I'm Adam Williamson. I'm new in the Fedora QA department here at RH, my job is to drive community involvement in Fedora QA. I came over from Mandriva where I was the community manager. I'll be working from my home in Vancouver, Canada. I'm new on the list so this may have come up before, in which case apologies :). Something I thought would be nice to have for QA community is a public calendar system where dates of events like test days can be published. Obviously it's silly for me personally or the QA team to take on the job of hosting a calendar server, but it was suggested that it would be a good project for the infrastructure team, and other groups within Fedora could probably benefit from it. Does it sound like a good idea? Anyone want to have a go? Or is there something already, that I don't know about? Thanks! I've not seen anything in this thread yet, so it may have been mentioned before; MediaWiki has a couple of calendering plugins that will allow days to be allocated; I looked into this for our meeting schedule but since none of them include any times for appointments I found it to be useless. Nonetheless, it could be worthwhile for allocating Test days and Events -and things of the sort. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip I think the point I'm continuing to make is that it should support caldav or something similar. The protocol defines a protocol, so the client applications themselves shouldn't matter, but we do need to have a way to communicate with the calendar server. My intention isn't to discount MediaWiki or Zikula as a possible platform for a calendaring client, but to say that the features you suggest are not what we're after here. Instead I'd say that those two applications could push/pull data from the calendar server (using caldav). The events listed in the caldav server can be manipulated by these other applications and probably through an API which could include Access Control Lists based upon FAS rights. I can see this being a bit of an undertaking, but it can really benefit the Fedora Project as a whole. As I stated in my previous email, I've got a draft up of all the features we'd like to see (it's pretty empty right now) and I'll probably go ahead and list some of this email there. But for those of you who are interested in helping me get that wiki page more complete, feel free to visit: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Herlo/Fedora_Calendar_Project_Desired_Features_(Draft) Keep the thoughts coming, I want to see this project succeed! Cheers, Clint ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Calendaring system?
Clint Savage wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Jeroen van Meeuwen kana...@kanarip.com wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: Hi, guys. Uh, quick intro for those who see the redhat.com and wonder who I am - I'm Adam Williamson. I'm new in the Fedora QA department here at RH, my job is to drive community involvement in Fedora QA. I came over from Mandriva where I was the community manager. I'll be working from my home in Vancouver, Canada. I'm new on the list so this may have come up before, in which case apologies :). Something I thought would be nice to have for QA community is a public calendar system where dates of events like test days can be published. Obviously it's silly for me personally or the QA team to take on the job of hosting a calendar server, but it was suggested that it would be a good project for the infrastructure team, and other groups within Fedora could probably benefit from it. Does it sound like a good idea? Anyone want to have a go? Or is there something already, that I don't know about? Thanks! I've not seen anything in this thread yet, so it may have been mentioned before; MediaWiki has a couple of calendering plugins that will allow days to be allocated; I looked into this for our meeting schedule but since none of them include any times for appointments I found it to be useless. Nonetheless, it could be worthwhile for allocating Test days and Events -and things of the sort. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip I think the point I'm continuing to make is that it should support caldav or something similar. The protocol defines a protocol, so the client applications themselves shouldn't matter, but we do need to have a way to communicate with the calendar server. My intention isn't to discount MediaWiki or Zikula as a possible platform for a calendaring client, but to say that the features you suggest are not what we're after here. Instead I'd say that those two applications could push/pull data from the calendar server (using caldav). The events listed in the caldav server can be manipulated by these other applications and probably through an API which could include Access Control Lists based upon FAS rights. I can see this being a bit of an undertaking, but it can really benefit the Fedora Project as a whole. As I stated in my previous email, I've got a draft up of all the features we'd like to see (it's pretty empty right now) and I'll probably go ahead and list some of this email there. But for those of you who are interested in helping me get that wiki page more complete, feel free to visit: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Herlo/Fedora_Calendar_Project_Desired_Features_(Draft) Keep the thoughts coming, I want to see this project succeed! Dude, I'm sorry I even brought it up. Good luck! -Jeroen ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Calendaring system?
On Mon, 9 Feb 2009, Clint Savage wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Jeroen van Meeuwen kana...@kanarip.com wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: Hi, guys. Uh, quick intro for those who see the redhat.com and wonder who I am - I'm Adam Williamson. I'm new in the Fedora QA department here at RH, my job is to drive community involvement in Fedora QA. I came over from Mandriva where I was the community manager. I'll be working from my home in Vancouver, Canada. I'm new on the list so this may have come up before, in which case apologies :). Something I thought would be nice to have for QA community is a public calendar system where dates of events like test days can be published. Obviously it's silly for me personally or the QA team to take on the job of hosting a calendar server, but it was suggested that it would be a good project for the infrastructure team, and other groups within Fedora could probably benefit from it. Does it sound like a good idea? Anyone want to have a go? Or is there something already, that I don't know about? Thanks! I've not seen anything in this thread yet, so it may have been mentioned before; MediaWiki has a couple of calendering plugins that will allow days to be allocated; I looked into this for our meeting schedule but since none of them include any times for appointments I found it to be useless. Nonetheless, it could be worthwhile for allocating Test days and Events -and things of the sort. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip I think the point I'm continuing to make is that it should support caldav or something similar. The protocol defines a protocol, so the client applications themselves shouldn't matter, but we do need to have a way to communicate with the calendar server. My intention isn't to discount MediaWiki or Zikula as a possible platform for a calendaring client, but to say that the features you suggest are not what we're after here. Instead I'd say that those two applications could push/pull data from the calendar server (using caldav). The events listed in the caldav server can be manipulated by these other applications and probably through an API which could include Access Control Lists based upon FAS rights. I can see this being a bit of an undertaking, but it can really benefit the Fedora Project as a whole. As I stated in my previous email, I've got a draft up of all the features we'd like to see (it's pretty empty right now) and I'll probably go ahead and list some of this email there. But for those of you who are interested in helping me get that wiki page more complete, feel free to visit: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Herlo/Fedora_Calendar_Project_Desired_Features_(Draft) Keep the thoughts coming, I want to see this project succeed! Maybe we should mature this a bit and look into full collaboration suites. For example http://www.opengroupware.org/ I'm poking around at some now, I'm not sure what license restrictions there are for each. -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
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On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 9 Feb 2009, Clint Savage wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Jeroen van Meeuwen kana...@kanarip.com wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: Hi, guys. Uh, quick intro for those who see the redhat.com and wonder who I am - I'm Adam Williamson. I'm new in the Fedora QA department here at RH, my job is to drive community involvement in Fedora QA. I came over from Mandriva where I was the community manager. I'll be working from my home in Vancouver, Canada. I'm new on the list so this may have come up before, in which case apologies :). Something I thought would be nice to have for QA community is a public calendar system where dates of events like test days can be published. Obviously it's silly for me personally or the QA team to take on the job of hosting a calendar server, but it was suggested that it would be a good project for the infrastructure team, and other groups within Fedora could probably benefit from it. Does it sound like a good idea? Anyone want to have a go? Or is there something already, that I don't know about? Thanks! I've not seen anything in this thread yet, so it may have been mentioned before; MediaWiki has a couple of calendering plugins that will allow days to be allocated; I looked into this for our meeting schedule but since none of them include any times for appointments I found it to be useless. Nonetheless, it could be worthwhile for allocating Test days and Events -and things of the sort. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip I think the point I'm continuing to make is that it should support caldav or something similar. The protocol defines a protocol, so the client applications themselves shouldn't matter, but we do need to have a way to communicate with the calendar server. My intention isn't to discount MediaWiki or Zikula as a possible platform for a calendaring client, but to say that the features you suggest are not what we're after here. Instead I'd say that those two applications could push/pull data from the calendar server (using caldav). The events listed in the caldav server can be manipulated by these other applications and probably through an API which could include Access Control Lists based upon FAS rights. I can see this being a bit of an undertaking, but it can really benefit the Fedora Project as a whole. As I stated in my previous email, I've got a draft up of all the features we'd like to see (it's pretty empty right now) and I'll probably go ahead and list some of this email there. But for those of you who are interested in helping me get that wiki page more complete, feel free to visit: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Herlo/Fedora_Calendar_Project_Desired_Features_(Draft) Keep the thoughts coming, I want to see this project succeed! Maybe we should mature this a bit and look into full collaboration suites. For example http://www.opengroupware.org/ I'm poking around at some now, I'm not sure what license restrictions there are for each. -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list As a former contributor to OGo I think it's a great project, and it supports things like CAlDAV. However unless things have changed recently I'd expect it to be a bear to get packaged and into Fedora. Not that it should be excluded, just a heads up. That said it's really email centric and I am not sure we'd want to get in that business. ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Calendaring system?
On Mon, 9 Feb 2009, David Nalley wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 9 Feb 2009, Clint Savage wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Jeroen van Meeuwen kana...@kanarip.com wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: Hi, guys. Uh, quick intro for those who see the redhat.com and wonder who I am - I'm Adam Williamson. I'm new in the Fedora QA department here at RH, my job is to drive community involvement in Fedora QA. I came over from Mandriva where I was the community manager. I'll be working from my home in Vancouver, Canada. I'm new on the list so this may have come up before, in which case apologies :). Something I thought would be nice to have for QA community is a public calendar system where dates of events like test days can be published. Obviously it's silly for me personally or the QA team to take on the job of hosting a calendar server, but it was suggested that it would be a good project for the infrastructure team, and other groups within Fedora could probably benefit from it. Does it sound like a good idea? Anyone want to have a go? Or is there something already, that I don't know about? Thanks! I've not seen anything in this thread yet, so it may have been mentioned before; MediaWiki has a couple of calendering plugins that will allow days to be allocated; I looked into this for our meeting schedule but since none of them include any times for appointments I found it to be useless. Nonetheless, it could be worthwhile for allocating Test days and Events -and things of the sort. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip I think the point I'm continuing to make is that it should support caldav or something similar. The protocol defines a protocol, so the client applications themselves shouldn't matter, but we do need to have a way to communicate with the calendar server. My intention isn't to discount MediaWiki or Zikula as a possible platform for a calendaring client, but to say that the features you suggest are not what we're after here. Instead I'd say that those two applications could push/pull data from the calendar server (using caldav). The events listed in the caldav server can be manipulated by these other applications and probably through an API which could include Access Control Lists based upon FAS rights. I can see this being a bit of an undertaking, but it can really benefit the Fedora Project as a whole. As I stated in my previous email, I've got a draft up of all the features we'd like to see (it's pretty empty right now) and I'll probably go ahead and list some of this email there. But for those of you who are interested in helping me get that wiki page more complete, feel free to visit: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Herlo/Fedora_Calendar_Project_Desired_Features_(Draft) Keep the thoughts coming, I want to see this project succeed! Maybe we should mature this a bit and look into full collaboration suites. For example http://www.opengroupware.org/ I'm poking around at some now, I'm not sure what license restrictions there are for each. -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list As a former contributor to OGo I think it's a great project, and it supports things like CAlDAV. However unless things have changed recently I'd expect it to be a bear to get packaged and into Fedora. Not that it should be excluded, just a heads up. That said it's really email centric and I am not sure we'd want to get in that business. Lets say we wanted to use features that were _not_ email storage based. How feasible is that? For example, if I created an appointment for you and me, it'd still send an email to your @fp.o email address which would then just be forwarded to your local MTA. -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
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On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 9 Feb 2009, David Nalley wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 9 Feb 2009, Clint Savage wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Jeroen van Meeuwen kana...@kanarip.com wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: Hi, guys. Uh, quick intro for those who see the redhat.com and wonder who I am - I'm Adam Williamson. I'm new in the Fedora QA department here at RH, my job is to drive community involvement in Fedora QA. I came over from Mandriva where I was the community manager. I'll be working from my home in Vancouver, Canada. I'm new on the list so this may have come up before, in which case apologies :). Something I thought would be nice to have for QA community is a public calendar system where dates of events like test days can be published. Obviously it's silly for me personally or the QA team to take on the job of hosting a calendar server, but it was suggested that it would be a good project for the infrastructure team, and other groups within Fedora could probably benefit from it. Does it sound like a good idea? Anyone want to have a go? Or is there something already, that I don't know about? Thanks! I've not seen anything in this thread yet, so it may have been mentioned before; MediaWiki has a couple of calendering plugins that will allow days to be allocated; I looked into this for our meeting schedule but since none of them include any times for appointments I found it to be useless. Nonetheless, it could be worthwhile for allocating Test days and Events -and things of the sort. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip I think the point I'm continuing to make is that it should support caldav or something similar. The protocol defines a protocol, so the client applications themselves shouldn't matter, but we do need to have a way to communicate with the calendar server. My intention isn't to discount MediaWiki or Zikula as a possible platform for a calendaring client, but to say that the features you suggest are not what we're after here. Instead I'd say that those two applications could push/pull data from the calendar server (using caldav). The events listed in the caldav server can be manipulated by these other applications and probably through an API which could include Access Control Lists based upon FAS rights. I can see this being a bit of an undertaking, but it can really benefit the Fedora Project as a whole. As I stated in my previous email, I've got a draft up of all the features we'd like to see (it's pretty empty right now) and I'll probably go ahead and list some of this email there. But for those of you who are interested in helping me get that wiki page more complete, feel free to visit: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Herlo/Fedora_Calendar_Project_Desired_Features_(Draft) Keep the thoughts coming, I want to see this project succeed! Maybe we should mature this a bit and look into full collaboration suites. For example http://www.opengroupware.org/ I'm poking around at some now, I'm not sure what license restrictions there are for each. -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list As a former contributor to OGo I think it's a great project, and it supports things like CAlDAV. However unless things have changed recently I'd expect it to be a bear to get packaged and into Fedora. Not that it should be excluded, just a heads up. That said it's really email centric and I am not sure we'd want to get in that business. Lets say we wanted to use features that were _not_ email storage based. How feasible is that? For example, if I created an appointment for you and me, it'd still send an email to your @fp.o email address which would then just be forwarded to your local MTA. -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list So OGo is (or was) cognizant of other users accounts - and would create the appointment on the calendar directly rather than sending to the users MTA. Calendar and other non-mail stuff are all stored in the DB - while mail is almost an add-on. (In the mail-less environment it knows about e-mail - and can send items out, but it treats local users completely separate from e-mail. That might be ok. - esp if we did iCAL or CalDAV. I do need to disclaim that I haven't kept up with OGo in quite a while and things may have changed, but the architecture had been around for a long time, and I don't think they would
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On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:23 PM, David Nalley da...@gnsa.us wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 9 Feb 2009, David Nalley wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 9 Feb 2009, Clint Savage wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Jeroen van Meeuwen kana...@kanarip.com wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: Hi, guys. Uh, quick intro for those who see the redhat.com and wonder who I am - I'm Adam Williamson. I'm new in the Fedora QA department here at RH, my job is to drive community involvement in Fedora QA. I came over from Mandriva where I was the community manager. I'll be working from my home in Vancouver, Canada. I'm new on the list so this may have come up before, in which case apologies :). Something I thought would be nice to have for QA community is a public calendar system where dates of events like test days can be published. Obviously it's silly for me personally or the QA team to take on the job of hosting a calendar server, but it was suggested that it would be a good project for the infrastructure team, and other groups within Fedora could probably benefit from it. Does it sound like a good idea? Anyone want to have a go? Or is there something already, that I don't know about? Thanks! I've not seen anything in this thread yet, so it may have been mentioned before; MediaWiki has a couple of calendering plugins that will allow days to be allocated; I looked into this for our meeting schedule but since none of them include any times for appointments I found it to be useless. Nonetheless, it could be worthwhile for allocating Test days and Events -and things of the sort. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip I think the point I'm continuing to make is that it should support caldav or something similar. The protocol defines a protocol, so the client applications themselves shouldn't matter, but we do need to have a way to communicate with the calendar server. My intention isn't to discount MediaWiki or Zikula as a possible platform for a calendaring client, but to say that the features you suggest are not what we're after here. Instead I'd say that those two applications could push/pull data from the calendar server (using caldav). The events listed in the caldav server can be manipulated by these other applications and probably through an API which could include Access Control Lists based upon FAS rights. I can see this being a bit of an undertaking, but it can really benefit the Fedora Project as a whole. As I stated in my previous email, I've got a draft up of all the features we'd like to see (it's pretty empty right now) and I'll probably go ahead and list some of this email there. But for those of you who are interested in helping me get that wiki page more complete, feel free to visit: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Herlo/Fedora_Calendar_Project_Desired_Features_(Draft) Keep the thoughts coming, I want to see this project succeed! Maybe we should mature this a bit and look into full collaboration suites. For example http://www.opengroupware.org/ I'm poking around at some now, I'm not sure what license restrictions there are for each. -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list As a former contributor to OGo I think it's a great project, and it supports things like CAlDAV. However unless things have changed recently I'd expect it to be a bear to get packaged and into Fedora. Not that it should be excluded, just a heads up. That said it's really email centric and I am not sure we'd want to get in that business. Lets say we wanted to use features that were _not_ email storage based. How feasible is that? For example, if I created an appointment for you and me, it'd still send an email to your @fp.o email address which would then just be forwarded to your local MTA. -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list So OGo is (or was) cognizant of other users accounts - and would create the appointment on the calendar directly rather than sending to the users MTA. Calendar and other non-mail stuff are all stored in the DB - while mail is almost an add-on. (In the mail-less environment it knows about e-mail - and can send items out, but it treats local users completely separate from e-mail. That might be ok. - esp if we did iCAL or CalDAV. I do need to disclaim that I haven't kept up with OGo in quite a while and things may have
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On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 12:58 -0700, Clint Savage wrote: I think the point I'm continuing to make is that it should support caldav or something similar. The protocol defines a protocol, so the client applications themselves shouldn't matter, but we do need to have a way to communicate with the calendar server. My intention isn't to discount MediaWiki or Zikula as a possible platform for a calendaring client, but to say that the features you suggest are not what we're after here. Instead I'd say that those two applications could push/pull data from the calendar server (using caldav). The events listed in the caldav server can be manipulated by these other applications and probably through an API which could include Access Control Lists based upon FAS rights. I can see this being a bit of an undertaking, but it can really benefit the Fedora Project as a whole. As I stated in my previous email, I've got a draft up of all the features we'd like to see (it's pretty empty right now) and I'll probably go ahead and list some of this email there. But for those of you who are interested in helping me get that wiki page more complete, feel free to visit: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Herlo/Fedora_Calendar_Project_Desired_Features_(Draft) Keep the thoughts coming, I want to see this project succeed! Cheers, Clint Right, Clint and I are definitely thinking along the same lines here. I think it's worthwhile outlining the Glorious Future Vision, so you can see what Clint and I are driving for here. What we'd like to have is a beautiful calendar system, where all Fedora-related events are stored. It'd have each team's meetings and test days and so on listed in it, the dates when Fedora pre-releases and final releases are due out - anything Fedora-related with a specific date and time on it could be stored here. And, critically, it needs to support CalDAV so that we can pull that data into other places. Most usefully for an end user, you could pull whichever particular project's dates you wanted into Evolution, Lightning, KDEPIM or whatever, so that you can see the dates in your regular client, and set alarms based on them and so on. The problem with a purely web-based system is it becomes yet another damn place to log in to, and you can't really set alarms on it. -- adamw ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
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On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 4:32 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 13:32 -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: We have kind of a de facto no-Java standard in infrastructure. This is partially because none of us have had good experiences running apps in java and partially because we have noone with Java programming experience to fix things if we need to. If you had some people to give to us to work on maintaining the server we might be able to work out something similar to how zikula is being run for the docs deploy. But that doesn't sound like the case :-( No, I don't think so. So let's knock Bedework off the list for now, there do seem to be other viable alternatives. I like Clint's idea of a wiki page to set the requirements and evaluate alternatives, I will happily create / contribute to that next week once my brain is working again :), depending on whether Clint has got around to creating it by then. Added to my todo. -- adamw Hi all, It's been a day or two since this conversation knocked off, but I think I have a wiki page[1] up with some good information. It is still a bit incomplete and we'll need to spend some time specifically with the features we'd like to see. I've added all of the calendaring servers listed in this thread, if I missed one, feel free to add it on the wiki page. Also, I put together a tentative timeline for when we could have this calendaring server in place. I assume it's based upon desire and time so let's see what we can get done! I'm looking forward to seeing this project a reality. Cheers, Clint 1 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Herlo/Fedora_Calendar_Project_Desired_Features_(Draft) ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
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On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 13:32 -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: We have kind of a de facto no-Java standard in infrastructure. This is partially because none of us have had good experiences running apps in java and partially because we have noone with Java programming experience to fix things if we need to. If you had some people to give to us to work on maintaining the server we might be able to work out something similar to how zikula is being run for the docs deploy. But that doesn't sound like the case :-( No, I don't think so. So let's knock Bedework off the list for now, there do seem to be other viable alternatives. I like Clint's idea of a wiki page to set the requirements and evaluate alternatives, I will happily create / contribute to that next week once my brain is working again :), depending on whether Clint has got around to creating it by then. Added to my todo. -- adamw ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
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Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 18:51 -0700, Clint Savage wrote: Adam, Funny thing, I was just mentioning how it would be nice to have a calendaring solution that would be able to let people pull feeds and put items on the calendar for Fedora with use in FAS. I think even though there's currently no solution quite as good as google calendar (or apple's iCal) in free software, there are alternatives. Bongo Project - http://bongo-project.org/Main_Page (formerly Hula) (GPLv2) Bedework - http://www.bedework.org/bedework/ (BSD License) DAViCal - http://rscds.sourceforge.net/ (GPL) I'm sure there are others, but I think a self-sustaining calendar that could integrate with the Fedora Account System (FAS) and make it so that people can create events that could get pushed to a central calendar which others might subscribe. Something like this would be awesome and I'd be happy to help you get it started. Maybe one of the above programs can meet our needs, or maybe we need to look into something else. Thanks a lot, Clint. Actually one of our QA community guys, Jóhann Guðmundsson, independently suggested Bedework to me and I had a quick look at the web page and it looks nice. It runs in Java but I guess that's no problem if it works on OpenJDK, and it looks like it's nice and self-contained, actively developed, and seems to really work to implement the latest standards, so it looks like a good candidate to me. I haven't looked at the others you suggested yet, but I will. I'm happy to help out as much as I can - I'm no expert in this field - in the initial set up, my only concern is to make sure that this is something the infrastructure group will maintain over a sustained period, I'm just hoping that it won't fall by the wayside and stop working after a few months or wind up with me having to (try and) maintain it or something. But I'm certainly happy to help out in getting it up and running and fit for purpose initially. We have kind of a de facto no-Java standard in infrastructure. This is partially because none of us have had good experiences running apps in java and partially because we have noone with Java programming experience to fix things if we need to. If you had some people to give to us to work on maintaining the server we might be able to work out something similar to how zikula is being run for the docs deploy. But that doesn't sound like the case :-( -Toshio signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
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One Zikula calendar module has a variety of feeds (see http://code.zikula.org/crpcalendar/attachment/wiki/screenshots/list.png) or http://jami.cremonapalloza.org/index.php?module=crpCalendar for a live demo. It might need some template modifications for display, but you could allow users to submit events and so on by logging in with their FAS ID. However, I am sure there are better standalone solutions out there, if you're happy to maintain a separate tool. -Original Message- From: fedora-infrastructure-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora- infrastructure-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Toshio Kuratomi Sent: 06 February 2009 21:33 To: Fedora Infrastructure Subject: Re: Calendaring system? Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 18:51 -0700, Clint Savage wrote: Adam, Funny thing, I was just mentioning how it would be nice to have a calendaring solution that would be able to let people pull feeds and put items on the calendar for Fedora with use in FAS. I think even though there's currently no solution quite as good as google calendar (or apple's iCal) in free software, there are alternatives. Bongo Project - http://bongo-project.org/Main_Page (formerly Hula) (GPLv2) Bedework - http://www.bedework.org/bedework/ (BSD License) DAViCal - http://rscds.sourceforge.net/ (GPL) I'm sure there are others, but I think a self-sustaining calendar that could integrate with the Fedora Account System (FAS) and make it so that people can create events that could get pushed to a central calendar which others might subscribe. Something like this would be awesome and I'd be happy to help you get it started. Maybe one of the above programs can meet our needs, or maybe we need to look into something else. Thanks a lot, Clint. Actually one of our QA community guys, Jóhann Guðmundsson, independently suggested Bedework to me and I had a quick look at the web page and it looks nice. It runs in Java but I guess that's no problem if it works on OpenJDK, and it looks like it's nice and self-contained, actively developed, and seems to really work to implement the latest standards, so it looks like a good candidate to me. I haven't looked at the others you suggested yet, but I will. I'm happy to help out as much as I can - I'm no expert in this field - in the initial set up, my only concern is to make sure that this is something the infrastructure group will maintain over a sustained period, I'm just hoping that it won't fall by the wayside and stop working after a few months or wind up with me having to (try and) maintain it or something. But I'm certainly happy to help out in getting it up and running and fit for purpose initially. We have kind of a de facto no-Java standard in infrastructure. This is partially because none of us have had good experiences running apps in java and partially because we have noone with Java programming experience to fix things if we need to. If you had some people to give to us to work on maintaining the server we might be able to work out something similar to how zikula is being run for the docs deploy. But that doesn't sound like the case :-( -Toshio No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: 02/05/09 11:34:00 ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
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On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Simon Birtwistle si...@zikula.org wrote: One Zikula calendar module has a variety of feeds (see http://code.zikula.org/crpcalendar/attachment/wiki/screenshots/list.png) or http://jami.cremonapalloza.org/index.php?module=crpCalendar for a live demo. It might need some template modifications for display, but you could allow users to submit events and so on by logging in with their FAS ID. However, I am sure there are better standalone solutions out there, if you're happy to maintain a separate tool. -Original Message- From: fedora-infrastructure-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora- infrastructure-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Toshio Kuratomi Sent: 06 February 2009 21:33 To: Fedora Infrastructure Subject: Re: Calendaring system? Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 18:51 -0700, Clint Savage wrote: Adam, Funny thing, I was just mentioning how it would be nice to have a calendaring solution that would be able to let people pull feeds and put items on the calendar for Fedora with use in FAS. I think even though there's currently no solution quite as good as google calendar (or apple's iCal) in free software, there are alternatives. Bongo Project - http://bongo-project.org/Main_Page (formerly Hula) (GPLv2) Bedework - http://www.bedework.org/bedework/ (BSD License) DAViCal - http://rscds.sourceforge.net/ (GPL) I'm sure there are others, but I think a self-sustaining calendar that could integrate with the Fedora Account System (FAS) and make it so that people can create events that could get pushed to a central calendar which others might subscribe. Something like this would be awesome and I'd be happy to help you get it started. Maybe one of the above programs can meet our needs, or maybe we need to look into something else. Thanks a lot, Clint. Actually one of our QA community guys, Jóhann Guðmundsson, independently suggested Bedework to me and I had a quick look at the web page and it looks nice. It runs in Java but I guess that's no problem if it works on OpenJDK, and it looks like it's nice and self-contained, actively developed, and seems to really work to implement the latest standards, so it looks like a good candidate to me. I haven't looked at the others you suggested yet, but I will. I'm happy to help out as much as I can - I'm no expert in this field - in the initial set up, my only concern is to make sure that this is something the infrastructure group will maintain over a sustained period, I'm just hoping that it won't fall by the wayside and stop working after a few months or wind up with me having to (try and) maintain it or something. But I'm certainly happy to help out in getting it up and running and fit for purpose initially. We have kind of a de facto no-Java standard in infrastructure. This is partially because none of us have had good experiences running apps in java and partially because we have noone with Java programming experience to fix things if we need to. If you had some people to give to us to work on maintaining the server we might be able to work out something similar to how zikula is being run for the docs deploy. But that doesn't sound like the case :-( -Toshio Bret, I don't know, part of me wants to look at calendarserver, but I can't find what the licensing is there. It looks like maybe it's a ruby project? I looked around on the site and there's no clear link to any good information on its licensing. Simon, As far as zikula, while I think the calendaring of Zikula is great, I wonder if we really need a fully blown CMS to manage our calendaring? In this case, it seems to me that we need *just* calendaring and not much else. I'd like an easy way for people to interact with the calendar from their client applications and update the calendar. I'd also like it to only do that if they have the rights to modify calendar events for their particular group(s) in FAS. Can Zikula do that? My thought is that Zikula is more of a do it on the server type application and can't handle input from a calendar client using caldav (or others). Maybe it can do all of the above and more. My theory is that we need to create a wiki page with the feature set we need and get the thing that matches closest to our needs. I'd be happy to start that effort early next week. If anyone else wants to create it first, I'd be happy to help their page instead of mine. Cheers, Clint ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
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On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 15:56 -0700, Clint Savage wrote: Bret, I don't know, part of me wants to look at calendarserver, but I can't find what the licensing is there. It looks like maybe it's a ruby project? I looked around on the site and there's no clear link to any good information on its licensing. calendarserver appears to be a python project, and it appears to be licensed at least partly under apache 2.0 http://trac.calendarserver.org/browser/CalendarServer/trunk/LICENSE More clear info at http://trac.calendarserver.org/browser/CalendarServer/trunk/README -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
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On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 15:56 -0700, Clint Savage wrote: On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Simon Birtwistle si...@zikula.org wrote: One Zikula calendar module has a variety of feeds (see http://code.zikula.org/crpcalendar/attachment/wiki/screenshots/list.png) or http://jami.cremonapalloza.org/index.php?module=crpCalendar for a live demo. It might need some template modifications for display, but you could allow users to submit events and so on by logging in with their FAS ID. However, I am sure there are better standalone solutions out there, if you're happy to maintain a separate tool. -Original Message- From: fedora-infrastructure-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora- infrastructure-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Toshio Kuratomi Sent: 06 February 2009 21:33 To: Fedora Infrastructure Subject: Re: Calendaring system? Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 18:51 -0700, Clint Savage wrote: Adam, Funny thing, I was just mentioning how it would be nice to have a calendaring solution that would be able to let people pull feeds and put items on the calendar for Fedora with use in FAS. I think even though there's currently no solution quite as good as google calendar (or apple's iCal) in free software, there are alternatives. Bongo Project - http://bongo-project.org/Main_Page (formerly Hula) (GPLv2) Bedework - http://www.bedework.org/bedework/ (BSD License) DAViCal - http://rscds.sourceforge.net/ (GPL) I'm sure there are others, but I think a self-sustaining calendar that could integrate with the Fedora Account System (FAS) and make it so that people can create events that could get pushed to a central calendar which others might subscribe. Something like this would be awesome and I'd be happy to help you get it started. Maybe one of the above programs can meet our needs, or maybe we need to look into something else. Thanks a lot, Clint. Actually one of our QA community guys, Jóhann Guðmundsson, independently suggested Bedework to me and I had a quick look at the web page and it looks nice. It runs in Java but I guess that's no problem if it works on OpenJDK, and it looks like it's nice and self-contained, actively developed, and seems to really work to implement the latest standards, so it looks like a good candidate to me. I haven't looked at the others you suggested yet, but I will. I'm happy to help out as much as I can - I'm no expert in this field - in the initial set up, my only concern is to make sure that this is something the infrastructure group will maintain over a sustained period, I'm just hoping that it won't fall by the wayside and stop working after a few months or wind up with me having to (try and) maintain it or something. But I'm certainly happy to help out in getting it up and running and fit for purpose initially. We have kind of a de facto no-Java standard in infrastructure. This is partially because none of us have had good experiences running apps in java and partially because we have noone with Java programming experience to fix things if we need to. If you had some people to give to us to work on maintaining the server we might be able to work out something similar to how zikula is being run for the docs deploy. But that doesn't sound like the case :-( -Toshio Bret, I don't know, part of me wants to look at calendarserver, but I can't find what the licensing is there. It looks like maybe it's a ruby project? I looked around on the site and there's no clear link to any good information on its licensing. Simon, As far as zikula, while I think the calendaring of Zikula is great, I wonder if we really need a fully blown CMS to manage our calendaring? In this case, it seems to me that we need *just* calendaring and not much else. I'd like an easy way for people to interact with the calendar from their client applications and update the calendar. I'd also like it to only do that if they have the rights to modify calendar events for their particular group(s) in FAS. Can Zikula do that? My thought is that Zikula is more of a do it on the server type application and can't handle input from a calendar client using caldav (or others). Maybe it can do all of the above and more. My theory is that we need to create a wiki page with the feature set we need and get the thing that matches closest to our needs. I'd be happy to start that effort early next week. If anyone else wants to create it first, I'd be happy to help their page instead of mine. Cheers, Clint Clint, I see it a little different. Why support ANOTHER piece of software when the software we already have will work. We wouldn't be using the CMS just for calendaring... We'd be using the CMS for everything and it has a calendar function. All that being said, I don't know if Zikula
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Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 21:53 +, Simon Birtwistle wrote: There are a few Calendar modules for Zikula (the CMS I'm setting up to run docs.fp.o) that might suit your needs - worth considering in the longer term should the CMS prove to be a success? I'll take a look, thanks for the pointer. The needs for us are, I think, pretty simple. It needs to work as a simple calendaring system - you can just use it as a calendar, nothing more, nothing less, if you don't want anything else - into which you can do all the usual calendar stuff, schedule events. The only other significant requirement for me is that it support CalDAV, because it's important to allow people to access it through other clients and calendar systems so that it doesn't become yet another damn thing they have to look at separately. I would be accessing the calendar from Evolution, for e.g., along with my personal calendar and other shared calendars I have going. Has anyone given this a try? http://chandlerproject.org/ http://chandlerproject.org/Projects/ProductTour It might be a nice fit for Fedora because it is python based and some of the user stories center around how it has been useful in collaboration activities. John ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
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On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Adam Williamson wrote: Hi, guys. Uh, quick intro for those who see the redhat.com and wonder who I am - I'm Adam Williamson. I'm new in the Fedora QA department here at RH, my job is to drive community involvement in Fedora QA. I came over from Mandriva where I was the community manager. I'll be working from my home in Vancouver, Canada. I'm new on the list so this may have come up before, in which case apologies :). Something I thought would be nice to have for QA community is a public calendar system where dates of events like test days can be published. Obviously it's silly for me personally or the QA team to take on the job of hosting a calendar server, but it was suggested that it would be a good project for the infrastructure team, and other groups within Fedora could probably benefit from it. Does it sound like a good idea? Anyone want to have a go? Or is there something already, that I don't know about? Thanks! -- This is something that has been discussed a few times in the past but no one has volunteered to put together I'm afraid. It'd be a good project to have up and going though. -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Calendaring system?
On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 15:38 -0600, Mike McGrath wrote: On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Adam Williamson wrote: Hi, guys. Uh, quick intro for those who see the redhat.com and wonder who I am - I'm Adam Williamson. I'm new in the Fedora QA department here at RH, my job is to drive community involvement in Fedora QA. I came over from Mandriva where I was the community manager. I'll be working from my home in Vancouver, Canada. I'm new on the list so this may have come up before, in which case apologies :). Something I thought would be nice to have for QA community is a public calendar system where dates of events like test days can be published. Obviously it's silly for me personally or the QA team to take on the job of hosting a calendar server, but it was suggested that it would be a good project for the infrastructure team, and other groups within Fedora could probably benefit from it. Does it sound like a good idea? Anyone want to have a go? Or is there something already, that I don't know about? Thanks! -- This is something that has been discussed a few times in the past but no one has volunteered to put together I'm afraid. It'd be a good project to have up and going though. Thanks a lot, Mike. Would it maybe help if I at least do some evaluatin' of the available software? I'm happy to do one-time stuff like that, it's the long-term commitment of *maintaining* the running server that I don't think it makes sense to house over here. Thanks! -- adamw ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Calendaring system?
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 21:53 +, Simon Birtwistle wrote: There are a few Calendar modules for Zikula (the CMS I'm setting up to run docs.fp.o) that might suit your needs - worth considering in the longer term should the CMS prove to be a success? I'll take a look, thanks for the pointer. The needs for us are, I think, pretty simple. It needs to work as a simple calendaring system - you can just use it as a calendar, nothing more, nothing less, if you don't want anything else - into which you can do all the usual calendar stuff, schedule events. The only other significant requirement for me is that it support CalDAV, because it's important to allow people to access it through other clients and calendar systems so that it doesn't become yet another damn thing they have to look at separately. I would be accessing the calendar from Evolution, for e.g., along with my personal calendar and other shared calendars I have going. -- adamw Adam, Funny thing, I was just mentioning how it would be nice to have a calendaring solution that would be able to let people pull feeds and put items on the calendar for Fedora with use in FAS. I think even though there's currently no solution quite as good as google calendar (or apple's iCal) in free software, there are alternatives. Bongo Project - http://bongo-project.org/Main_Page (formerly Hula) (GPLv2) Bedework - http://www.bedework.org/bedework/ (BSD License) DAViCal - http://rscds.sourceforge.net/ (GPL) I'm sure there are others, but I think a self-sustaining calendar that could integrate with the Fedora Account System (FAS) and make it so that people can create events that could get pushed to a central calendar which others might subscribe. Something like this would be awesome and I'd be happy to help you get it started. Maybe one of the above programs can meet our needs, or maybe we need to look into something else. Cheers, Clint ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
