Re: Goals for F13?
Jon Stanley wrote: > Well they haven't been interested for quite some time, I think > they've finally come to realize that gitweb as is is crap. > > But John made an interesting point to me at FUDCon that might be > disincentive for upstream to accept this: "there are probably 20 > people in the world that need this code, and I know 15 of them" :) My take from reading the review of the patches on the git list is that they would be accepted, but they need to be done in a way that doesn't negatively impact those who don't want/need the caching. The git folks are often pretty hard on patch reviews, but I think that results in better, more maintainable code in git.git. :) -- ToddOpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~ Men have become the tools of their tools. -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862) pgpnJTNsHWq5g.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Goals for F13?
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > I agree, I was under the impression that upstream wasn't interested in the > new patches. Probably because I wasn't paying attention and assumed it :) Well they haven't been interested for quite some time, I think they've finally come to realize that gitweb as is is crap. But John made an interesting point to me at FUDCon that might be disincentive for upstream to accept this: "there are probably 20 people in the world that need this code, and I know 15 of them" :) ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Goals for F13?
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Mike McGrath wrote: > > I was under the impression that gitweb-caching was a massive step away > > from gitweb proper. Can anyone correct me on that? > > It is, but John H. sent a patch series to the git list to try and get > his code into git proper, which would be the best of both worlds. > It's still being discussed, so if infra wants to use a gitweb-caching > package in the interim that seems reasonable. > > I'm not so sure it's worth getting such a package into Fedora, as > we'll push a git with a caching gitweb fairly quickly once it's > included upstream. To me, the effort is best spent getting it > accepted upstream rather than creating a forked package that will > (hopefully) be made irrelevant fairly soon. > I agree, I was under the impression that upstream wasn't interested in the new patches. Probably because I wasn't paying attention and assumed it :) -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Goals for F13?
Mike McGrath wrote: > I was under the impression that gitweb-caching was a massive step away > from gitweb proper. Can anyone correct me on that? It is, but John H. sent a patch series to the git list to try and get his code into git proper, which would be the best of both worlds. It's still being discussed, so if infra wants to use a gitweb-caching package in the interim that seems reasonable. I'm not so sure it's worth getting such a package into Fedora, as we'll push a git with a caching gitweb fairly quickly once it's included upstream. To me, the effort is best spent getting it accepted upstream rather than creating a forked package that will (hopefully) be made irrelevant fairly soon. -- ToddOpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~ Ever notice that even the busiest people are never too busy to tell you just how busy they are? pgpGuUxDbPOkK.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Goals for F13?
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Jon Stanley wrote: > > I think that gitweb-caching will help a lot here, I just need to > > ping warthog9 and get him sponsored, packages built and in > > epel-testing. > > That and continuing to get the caching stuff pushed upstream would be > good. The discussion I've seen on the git list is generally positive, > they just want to ensure that it's done in a clean way that doesn't > negatively impact those who use gitweb without caching. That way we'd > be able to use the stock gitweb packages and not have to maintain > another package. :) > I was under the impression that gitweb-caching was a massive step away from gitweb proper. Can anyone correct me on that? -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Goals for F13?
On 01/07/2010 12:34 AM, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: >> And it was fairly easy ;-) For those interested: >> >> - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=553055 > > $ curl -I http://www.kanarip.com/custom/SPECS/gpxe.spec > HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden > Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 23:33:18 GMT Grmbl that's what I get for using a restrictive umask on my laptop :/ Fixed now. -- Jeroen ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Goals for F13?
Jon Stanley wrote: > I think that gitweb-caching will help a lot here, I just need to > ping warthog9 and get him sponsored, packages built and in > epel-testing. That and continuing to get the caching stuff pushed upstream would be good. The discussion I've seen on the git list is generally positive, they just want to ensure that it's done in a clean way that doesn't negatively impact those who use gitweb without caching. That way we'd be able to use the stock gitweb packages and not have to maintain another package. :) -- ToddOpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~ The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. -- Herbert Spencer pgp57NzBOgQLS.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Goals for F13?
Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > And it was fairly easy ;-) For those interested: > > - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=553055 $ curl -I http://www.kanarip.com/custom/SPECS/gpxe.spec HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 23:33:18 GMT Server: Apache/2.2.13 (Fedora) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Connection: close -- ToddOpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~ Experience is not what happens to a man. It is what a man does with what happens to him. -- Aldous Huxley pgpiSdSLQ6m9d.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Goals for F13?
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:09:56 -0600 (CST), Mike McGrath wrote: > On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: >> I'm interested in working on it with you -from the composing side as >> well. I'm assuming I'm gonna need to read up a lot, is there a Fedora >> reference page somewhere or would we need to create one still? >> > > not yet, I'm going to put a features page together shortly but ping me in > #fedora-admin. I can make sure to get you access to the bits and what's > going on. It should be fairly easy to put together, at a minimum 1 new > package in Fedora though I think a couple of others would be useful. > And it was fairly easy ;-) For those interested: - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=553055 - http://www.kanarip.com/custom/f12/SRPMS/gpxe-0.9.9-2.src.rpm -- Jeroen ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Goals for F13?
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Mike McGrath wrote: > > > > So F13 is underway, we should get our list of F13 goals together. So what > > would you like to see (and will be working on) for F13? > > > > For example, I know Jon and Dennis are working on the mail man migration. > > > > The major features include: > > > > 1) Getting virt_web into Fedora > > 2) download.fedoraproject.org (based on boot.kernel.org) > > 3) AutoQA (I'm mostly a support role here for the QA team) > > 4) Fedora Insight (With marketing team) > > > > > Minor updates: > > 1) Replace /mnt/koji (with dennis) > > 2) Replace the blade center (with a new one) > > Does this mean getting rid of the old one or moving the old one to > other projects? > Getting rid of the old one. -Mike___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Goals for F13?
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Mike McGrath wrote: > > So F13 is underway, we should get our list of F13 goals together. So what > would you like to see (and will be working on) for F13? > > For example, I know Jon and Dennis are working on the mail man migration. > > The major features include: > > 1) Getting virt_web into Fedora > 2) download.fedoraproject.org (based on boot.kernel.org) > 3) AutoQA (I'm mostly a support role here for the QA team) > 4) Fedora Insight (With marketing team) > Minor updates: > 1) Replace /mnt/koji (with dennis) > 2) Replace the blade center (with a new one) Does this mean getting rid of the old one or moving the old one to other projects? > 3) Puppet cleanup (and module publication) My main goals will be to make Fedora Infrastructure more modular: 1) Inventory system (GLPI+SMOLT?) 2) How would one replicate Fedora Infrastructure elsewhere? 3) More CSI. 4) Grow infrastructure to meet Rawhide changes and growth. > I figure that averages out to more than one important thing per month + > all the day to day stuff, that'll keep me busy :) Oh, and as always help > wanted for those who have time. > > What does everyone else have? > > -Mike > > ___ > Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list > Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list > -- Stephen J Smoogen. Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp. Or what's a heaven for? -- Robert Browning ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Goals for F13?
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 10:35 -0600, Mike McGrath wrote: >> What does everyone else have? > > 1) no frozen rawhide which requires faster composes > 2) dist-git > 3) A functioning message bus with services passing messages I have been wanting to get going on #3, especially with the creating of the shims. I have basically finished some longterm projects that have been consuming all of my time, so I can actually commit to doing more work on this. --Brennan Ashton ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Goals for F13?
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Mike McGrath (mmcgr...@redhat.com) said: > > > > What does everyone else have? > > > > > > 1) no frozen rawhide which requires faster composes > > > 2) dist-git > > > 3) A functioning message bus with services passing messages > > > > > > > I think I know what you'd want from us on 2 and 3, can you think of > > anything off hand you'd need help with for 1? By faster composes are you > > thinking composing more often? Does that include distribution? > > NFR essentially requires two rawhides per day, once we branch for > release. Given that we'd also be pushing updates, that's a lot of > mashing and load on /mnt/koji. > With a little luck Dennis and I will have /mnt/koji replaced fairly soon (within months) > Possible help points for that: > - using multiple releng boxes for composition > - faster storage > We'll have more expansion soon for releng for more compose hosts. I'll try to get with Jesse soon to walk me through a mash so I can get a proper profile of it, there may be some tricks we can use (cachfilesd?) -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Goals for F13?
Mike McGrath (mmcgr...@redhat.com) said: > > > What does everyone else have? > > > > 1) no frozen rawhide which requires faster composes > > 2) dist-git > > 3) A functioning message bus with services passing messages > > > > I think I know what you'd want from us on 2 and 3, can you think of > anything off hand you'd need help with for 1? By faster composes are you > thinking composing more often? Does that include distribution? NFR essentially requires two rawhides per day, once we branch for release. Given that we'd also be pushing updates, that's a lot of mashing and load on /mnt/koji. Possible help points for that: - using multiple releng boxes for composition - faster storage Bill ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Goals for F13?
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 10:35 -0600, Mike McGrath wrote: > > What does everyone else have? > > 1) no frozen rawhide which requires faster composes > 2) dist-git > 3) A functioning message bus with services passing messages > I think I know what you'd want from us on 2 and 3, can you think of anything off hand you'd need help with for 1? By faster composes are you thinking composing more often? Does that include distribution? -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Goals for F13?
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Mike McGrath wrote: > What does everyone else have? Getting hosted's load average to below 100 :) (I accidentally mistyped hosted as hosed, a Freudian slip as to the current state of affairs? :) ) I think that gitweb-caching will help a lot here, I just need to ping warthog9 and get him sponsored, packages built and in epel-testing. ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Goals for F13?
On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 10:35 -0600, Mike McGrath wrote: > What does everyone else have? 1) no frozen rawhide which requires faster composes 2) dist-git 3) A functioning message bus with services passing messages -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Goals for F13?
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > On 01/06/2010 05:48 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > > On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > > > >> On 01/06/2010 05:35 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > >>> > >>> So F13 is underway, we should get our list of F13 goals together. So what > >>> would you like to see (and will be working on) for F13? > >>> > >>> For example, I know Jon and Dennis are working on the mail man migration. > >>> > >>> The major features include: > >>> > >>> 1) Getting virt_web into Fedora > >>> 2) download.fedoraproject.org (based on boot.kernel.org) > >> > >> Oh... who's working on this? > >> > > > > Right now just me - http://publictest8.fedoraproject.org/boot/gpxe.iso > > boot from that. > > > > The larger goal is to get people using it, raise awareness of it and prove > > it's a viable solution. > > > > I'm interested in working on it with you -from the composing side as > well. I'm assuming I'm gonna need to read up a lot, is there a Fedora > reference page somewhere or would we need to create one still? > not yet, I'm going to put a features page together shortly but ping me in #fedora-admin. I can make sure to get you access to the bits and what's going on. It should be fairly easy to put together, at a minimum 1 new package in Fedora though I think a couple of others would be useful. -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Goals for F13?
On 01/06/2010 05:48 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > >> On 01/06/2010 05:35 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: >>> >>> So F13 is underway, we should get our list of F13 goals together. So what >>> would you like to see (and will be working on) for F13? >>> >>> For example, I know Jon and Dennis are working on the mail man migration. >>> >>> The major features include: >>> >>> 1) Getting virt_web into Fedora >>> 2) download.fedoraproject.org (based on boot.kernel.org) >> >> Oh... who's working on this? >> > > Right now just me - http://publictest8.fedoraproject.org/boot/gpxe.iso > boot from that. > > The larger goal is to get people using it, raise awareness of it and prove > it's a viable solution. > I'm interested in working on it with you -from the composing side as well. I'm assuming I'm gonna need to read up a lot, is there a Fedora reference page somewhere or would we need to create one still? -- Jeroen ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Goals for F13?
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > On 01/06/2010 05:35 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > > > > So F13 is underway, we should get our list of F13 goals together. So what > > would you like to see (and will be working on) for F13? > > > > For example, I know Jon and Dennis are working on the mail man migration. > > > > The major features include: > > > > 1) Getting virt_web into Fedora > > 2) download.fedoraproject.org (based on boot.kernel.org) > > Oh... who's working on this? > Right now just me - http://publictest8.fedoraproject.org/boot/gpxe.iso boot from that. The larger goal is to get people using it, raise awareness of it and prove it's a viable solution. -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Goals for F13?
On 01/06/2010 05:35 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > > So F13 is underway, we should get our list of F13 goals together. So what > would you like to see (and will be working on) for F13? > > For example, I know Jon and Dennis are working on the mail man migration. > > The major features include: > > 1) Getting virt_web into Fedora > 2) download.fedoraproject.org (based on boot.kernel.org) Oh... who's working on this? -- Jeroen ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Goals for F13?
So F13 is underway, we should get our list of F13 goals together. So what would you like to see (and will be working on) for F13? For example, I know Jon and Dennis are working on the mail man migration. The major features include: 1) Getting virt_web into Fedora 2) download.fedoraproject.org (based on boot.kernel.org) 3) AutoQA (I'm mostly a support role here for the QA team) 4) Fedora Insight (With marketing team) Minor updates: 1) Replace /mnt/koji (with dennis) 2) Replace the blade center (with a new one) 3) Puppet cleanup (and module publication) I figure that averages out to more than one important thing per month + all the day to day stuff, that'll keep me busy :) Oh, and as always help wanted for those who have time. What does everyone else have? -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
