Re: Acknowledge consent before login

[g]

Nifty Fedora Mitch wrote:

Years ago I was asked to remove the word "Welcome" from any login



(1) "do not feed the dog" might be expanded to
"do not feed my dog your arm, leg, or other body parts"
but it is not


lol.

all in all, a great read.

to which, i can only say,

'life is a bitch, and then you die'.


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Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?

[Anne Wilson]

On Saturday 19 July 2008 00:41:23 Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Anne Wilson  googlemail.com> writes:
> > Second sentence, Kevin -
> > 
> > This will be included in KDE 4.1 final.
> > 
> >
> > Standard Fedora and Mandriva are still on 4.0.x.
>
> But he's using 4.0.98 which is 4.1 RC1, not the default Fedora 9 KDE (which
> is currently 4.0.5, we're working on a 4.1 upgrade).
>
OK, but it needed to be said that most people won't find it in their setup :-)

Not long, now, though :-)

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Re: F9: Using dd to clone a drive...

[Daniel B. Thurman]

Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:


Dan Thurman wrote:
>
> I used dd off the Gnome Live CD, so that neither
> drives were mounted nor active. Next I proceeded
> to use dd as follows:
>
> dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb
>
> It took approx. 6 hours to copy over 450GB of data.
>
You would be better off using gparted or clonzilla to do the
copping. With DD, it has to copy every byte. The others understand
file systems and only copy data, not empty space.


I tried Gparted-Live.

Unfortunately, it failed to copy 85% of the way complaining
about a bad block on the source drive!  I have run the 'Check'
and it does not even see any problems with the source drive!
I even did a check on the destination drive and it says it does
not see any problems either - even when the copy failed!

Is there any tool besides fsck that really does a through job
making sure to detect bad-blocks (if there really was any)
and add it to the bad block list?  Or, perhaps there is a problem
with Gparted-Live v0.3.7.7.1 version?

Source:  /dev/sda6
Destination: /dev/sdb6

Copy stops with a message on the source saying something like:

/dev/sda6:
Copied 86948585 of 604106921
Error while reading block at 937752324

The sda6 partition size is correctly 604106921 (~300GB) so why
the heck is Gparted reading 937752324, probably somewhere
in the 7th partition (5GB swap) or even possibly at the end of
the750GB  drive itself?

Of the 300GB / partition, only 49GB is actually used while the
rest is actually empty space.  Is that the problem?  Is Gparted
smart enough not to copy over empty space and end after 49GB
of data?

I  have tried everything I could throw at it:

Gnome-Live & Gparted Live:
1) mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/a
mount /dev/sdb6 /mnt/b
setenforce 0
   a)  cp -acpx /mnt/a/.  /mnt/b
   b)  tar --xattrs  -cpf - /mnt/a | (cd /mnt/b tar --xattrs -xpf - .)

Nothing seems to work!

Why am I not able to get the / partition copied over
successfully?  Everything is bootable *except* / !

Please advise!

Thanks,
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Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?

[Tim]

On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 13:32 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> No, it's 4x3 or a standard "square TV" monitor. Landscape is 16x9.

No, "landscape" just means wider than tall.  "Portait" means taller than
wide.  The two of them *ONLY* refer to the orientation, and take their
names from painting or photography.

"Widescreen" means something wider than the old standard 4:3.

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Fedora & wireless

[MKas]

Hello,
I have Amilo A1650G laptop. I can't use my wireless card (Atheros AR5005G) even 
now (in F9), because set mode not works, commit not works & much more iwconfig 
commands. So before ~2 months I buyed new USB Wireless card (Buffalo 
WLI-U2-KG125S). Everything was fine until today. Today morning  ~12h (GMT +2) I 
did F9 update and restarted pc. After that I can't use my Wireless card. If I 
do Ad-hoc mode, then I can set essid but if someone tries to reach me - shows 
that I'm using key/enc (I can't turn on, only turn off, but nothing happens). 
If I do Managed mode, then I CAN'T set essid (Writes: Essid: Off/Any). I 
searched for info, tried everything, but nothing helped me.

So how to turn on essid if "iwconfig wlan0 essid on" do nothing?


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Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

[Alan Cox]

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:04:49 -0700 (PDT)
Antonio Olivares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> ZFS was included in FreeBSD 7.0 because the BSD license is more free than the 
> GPL with that regard.

And if NetApp win against Sun they can sue FreeBSD now, for triple
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Handlihng a .rar file

[Anne Wilson]

I've been sent a .rar file that I need to open.  Neither ark nor 
archive-manager will open it, even if I rename it to .zip.  Does anyone know 
a package that can handle this, or must I ask for it to be sent differently?

Anne


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Re: Problem with my fax modem in fedora 9

[Simon Slater]

On Sun, 2008-07-13 at 22:04 -0700, Ardeshir hemmati wrote:
> Hello 
> 
> I just Installed the Fedora 9, every thing is fine but I don`t know
> how to Install my fax/modem (U.S Robotic 56kb) and use it to connect
> to the Internet. 
> 
> I found the screen for making connections and choosing devices, but I
> when I Create a conection that uses the modem, it Can`t be activated.
> 
> Thanks alot 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
I use system-config-network, under the hardware tab create a new modem.
Then under the device tab create a new ppp device using your ISP account
details.  Make sure you get the right serial port.

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Re: bind update keeps messing up write-rights

[Gijs]

Sam Varshavchik wrote:

Gijs writes:


Hey List,

Not sure why this is happening so perhaps someone can explain this to 
me.
Whenever I update bind it messes up/resets access rights on my zone 
files. Now normally this wouldn't be a bad thing, but because I have 
dynamic updates on, for which named creates journalizing files, I end 
up having non-writeable journalizing files. So after every update I 
end up having to manually change the access rights on my jnl files.


Is anyone else having the same problem and/or is it supposed to be 
like this?


You must have bind configured to run in chroot.

rpm's %post script runs /usr/sbin/bind-chroot-admin where, if you have 
chroot configured, it runs this lovely bit of code:


   chown -h root:named /var/named/* >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chown -h root:named ${BIND_CHROOT_PREFIX}/var/named/* >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chown -h root:named /etc/{named,rndc}.* >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chown -h root:named ${BIND_CHROOT_PREFIX}/etc/{named,rndc}.* 
>/dev/null 2>&1;

   chown -h named:named /var/log/named.log >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chown -h named:named ${BIND_CHROOT_PREFIX}/var/log/named.log 
>/dev/null 2>&1;

   chmod 750 ${pfx}/var/named  >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chmod 640 ${pfx}/var/named/* >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chmod 750 ${pfx}/var/named/*/. >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chmod 660 ${pfx}/var/log/named.log >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chown -h named:named 
/var/named/{data{,/*},slaves{,/*},dynamic{,/*}} >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chown -h named:named 
${BIND_CHROOT_PREFIX}/var/named/{data{,/*},slaves{,/*},dynamic{,/*}} 
>/dev/null 2>&1;

   chmod 770 ${pfx}/var/named/{data,slaves,dynamic} >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chmod 660 ${pfx}/var/named/{data/*,slaves/*,dynamic/*} >/dev/null 
2>&1;
   chmod 770 ${pfx}/var/named/{data/*/.,slaves/*/.,dynamic/*/.} 
>/dev/null 2>&1;


Lovely.

Heh, that's indeed lovely. And yea, I've got named configured to run in 
chroot as it is the default nowadays (at least on Fedora).


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Re: Handlihng a .rar file

[Ivan Cat]

2008/7/19 Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I've been sent a .rar file that I need to open.  Neither ark nor
> archive-manager will open it, even if I rename it to .zip.  Does anyone know
> a package that can handle this, or must I ask for it to be sent differently?
>
> Anne
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you can download rar from http://www.rarlab.com/ and then unrar your archive

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Re: Handlihng a .rar file

[Nicolae Ghimbovschi]

Hello,

You need to install the unrar package from livna or other repository.

http://livna-dl.reloumirrors.net/fedora/9/i386/unrar-3.7.8-1.lvn8.i386.rpm

After you install it, Ark and Archive Manager will be able to handle
rar archives.

2008/7/19 Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I've been sent a .rar file that I need to open.  Neither ark nor
> archive-manager will open it, even if I rename it to .zip.  Does anyone know
> a package that can handle this, or must I ask for it to be sent differently?
>
> Anne
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Re: Older Fedora updates

[Ivan Cat]

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Steve Underwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The latest FC9 kernel headers update for i386 machines
> (2.6.25.10-86.fc9.i686) is broken - the header files seem completely
> scrambled, and nothing will compile on this machine any more. That's
> annoying, but stuff like this happens from time to time. What is really
> bothering me is I can't find the previous RPM to restore it. It seems all
> the mirrors are aggressively deleting anything but the latest revision,
> which might have something to do with their size and frequency. :-)
>
> Is there some replace I can go to under circumstances like these, and find a
> complete set of all the released updates?
>
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Here's the list of kernel-headers rpm @ rpmfind.net (there some old
versions available)
http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=kernel-headers&submit=Search+...&system=fedora&arch=i386

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Re: Handlihng a .rar file

[Michael Schwendt]

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:44:55 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:

> I've been sent a .rar file that I need to open.  Neither ark nor 
> archive-manager will open it, even if I rename it to .zip.  Does anyone know 
> a package that can handle this, or must I ask for it to be sent differently?

rpm.livna.org -> unrar

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Re: Older Fedora updates

[Michael Schwendt]

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:56:34 +0800, Steve Underwood wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> The latest FC9 kernel headers update for i386 machines 
> (2.6.25.10-86.fc9.i686) is broken - the header files seem completely 
> scrambled, and nothing will compile on this machine any more. That's 
> annoying, but stuff like this happens from time to time. What is really 
> bothering me is I can't find the previous RPM to restore it. It seems 
> all the mirrors are aggressively deleting anything but the latest 
> revision, which might have something to do with their size and 
> frequency. :-)
> 
> Is there some replace I can go to under circumstances like these, and 
> find a complete set of all the released updates?

The Fedora Updates System web pages point to koji, which
is the Fedora Build System: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji
Often it is very slow, however, and as such it's not suitable
for many users to search for and download packages there.

It's better to keep backups of /var/cache/yum!

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Re: bind update keeps messing up write-rights

[Christopher K. Johnson]

Gijs wrote:

Sam Varshavchik wrote:

Gijs writes:


Hey List,

Not sure why this is happening so perhaps someone can explain this 
to me.
Whenever I update bind it messes up/resets access rights on my zone 
files. Now normally this wouldn't be a bad thing, but because I have 
dynamic updates on, for which named creates journalizing files, I 
end up having non-writeable journalizing files. So after every 
update I end up having to manually change the access rights on my 
jnl files.


Is anyone else having the same problem and/or is it supposed to be 
like this?


You must have bind configured to run in chroot.

rpm's %post script runs /usr/sbin/bind-chroot-admin where, if you 
have chroot configured, it runs this lovely bit of code:


   chown -h root:named /var/named/* >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chown -h root:named ${BIND_CHROOT_PREFIX}/var/named/* >/dev/null 
2>&1;

   chown -h root:named /etc/{named,rndc}.* >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chown -h root:named ${BIND_CHROOT_PREFIX}/etc/{named,rndc}.* 
>/dev/null 2>&1;

   chown -h named:named /var/log/named.log >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chown -h named:named ${BIND_CHROOT_PREFIX}/var/log/named.log 
>/dev/null 2>&1;

   chmod 750 ${pfx}/var/named  >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chmod 640 ${pfx}/var/named/* >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chmod 750 ${pfx}/var/named/*/. >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chmod 660 ${pfx}/var/log/named.log >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chown -h named:named 
/var/named/{data{,/*},slaves{,/*},dynamic{,/*}} >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chown -h named:named 
${BIND_CHROOT_PREFIX}/var/named/{data{,/*},slaves{,/*},dynamic{,/*}} 
>/dev/null 2>&1;

   chmod 770 ${pfx}/var/named/{data,slaves,dynamic} >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chmod 660 ${pfx}/var/named/{data/*,slaves/*,dynamic/*} >/dev/null 
2>&1;
   chmod 770 ${pfx}/var/named/{data/*/.,slaves/*/.,dynamic/*/.} 
>/dev/null 2>&1;


Lovely.

Heh, that's indeed lovely. And yea, I've got named configured to run 
in chroot as it is the default nowadays (at least on Fedora).



You should note that the 'dynamic' subfolder contents are set to mode 660.
Move your updateable zone files there and update the referenced paths in 
named.conf accordingly.


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Re: Handlihng a .rar file

[M A Young]

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, Anne Wilson wrote:


I've been sent a .rar file that I need to open.  Neither ark nor
archive-manager will open it, even if I rename it to .zip.  Does anyone know
a package that can handle this, or must I ask for it to be sent differently?


I don't think Fedora supports rar because of licensing/patent issues, but 
you can get packages from other repositories, for example 
http://freshrpms.net/ has an unrar package available.


Michael Young

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Where is the "automatic login" now?

[Marcelo M. Garcia]

Hi

Where is the option to "automatic login" in Gnome 2.22 (Fedora 9)?

Thanks

Marcelo

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Re: Handlihng a .rar file

[Anne Wilson]

On Saturday 19 July 2008 10:55:03 Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:44:55 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > I've been sent a .rar file that I need to open.  Neither ark nor
> > archive-manager will open it, even if I rename it to .zip.  Does anyone
> > know a package that can handle this, or must I ask for it to be sent
> > differently?
>
> rpm.livna.org -> unrar

Thanks, all of you. Yes, it's unpacked perfectly after installing unrar.

Anne


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Re: Dependency hell again. Or is it still?

[Markku Kolkka]

Gene Heskett kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika perjantai, 18. 
heinäkuuta 2008):
> checking for OpenGL... yes
> configure: error: Gmerlin needs OpenGL and GLX
> Compilation in gmerlin failed
>
> I've poked at yumex's search bar now for about half an hour
> trying to get it to show me some GLX that isn't just the glitz
> bindings.
>
> So what do I install to fix these dependencies?

mesa-libGL-devel
If that doesn't help, check the configure.log file to see which 
header or library is actually missing.

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Fedora 9 and old video cards?

[Howard Wilkinson]

We have a large number of Matrox Millenium video cards. Mainly G400's 
but also some g450's and G550's. What is the current status of drivers 
for these cards. Have they been updated to work with the latest X.org 
release in Fedora 9. Can we run dual head with these drivers and if so 
does anybody know the magic incantations?


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F9 & GDM 2.22 : cannot define multiple login servers anymore?

[Rob]

Hello,

Fedora 9 ships with a newer version of GDM (2.22), for which the gdmsetup
is missing. I found many discussions on people also missing the setup utility.

However, I couldn't find an answer to my problem:

Before F9, I had GDM configured to produce 3 login screens on my PC, on
vt7, vt8 and vt9, simply by having this line in /etc/gdm/custom.conf :

[servers]
0=inactive
7=Standard vt7
8=Standard vt8
9=Standard vt9


I tried to add this manually to the file, but it does not seem to work anymore.
Has anybody an idea how I can integrate this with GDM 2.22 ?

Thank you,
Rob.


  

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Re: Fedora 9 and old video cards?

[Steve Underwood]

Hi Howard,

Howard Wilkinson wrote:
We have a large number of Matrox Millenium video cards. Mainly G400's 
but also some g450's and G550's. What is the current status of drivers 
for these cards. Have they been updated to work with the latest X.org 
release in Fedora 9. Can we run dual head with these drivers and if so 
does anybody know the magic incantations?


Regards, Howard

I have a Matrox G400Max in a 32 bit dual P4 Xeon machine, with a 
1280x1024 LCD screen. It worked OK with the original FC9 DVD. It gave 
trouble through various updates. I had to stick to the original kernel, 
or the picture would go crazy. Things started working properly again 
with the xorg update that happened about a week ago - i.e. 
xorg-x11-server-Xorg-1.4.99.905-1.20080701.fc9.i386.rpm + 
kernel-2.6.25.9-76.fc9.i686.rpm have been working nicely for me.


Regards,
Steve



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Re: Fedora & wireless

[Mike Burger]

> Hello,
> I have Amilo A1650G laptop. I can't use my wireless card (Atheros AR5005G)
> even now (in F9), because set mode not works, commit not works & much more
> iwconfig commands. So before ~2 months I buyed new USB Wireless card
> (Buffalo WLI-U2-KG125S). Everything was fine until today. Today morning
> ~12h (GMT +2) I did F9 update and restarted pc. After that I can't use my
> Wireless card. If I do Ad-hoc mode, then I can set essid but if someone
> tries to reach me - shows that I'm using key/enc (I can't turn on, only
> turn off, but nothing happens). If I do Managed mode, then I CAN'T set
> essid (Writes: Essid: Off/Any). I searched for info, tried everything, but
> nothing helped me.
>
> So how to turn on essid if "iwconfig wlan0 essid on" do nothing?

I think you'll want to install/use the madwifi drivers.

They work for me on my Acer Aspire 5100 with an Atheros wireless chipset.

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Re: bind update keeps messing up write-rights

[Gijs]

Christopher K. Johnson wrote:

Gijs wrote:

Sam Varshavchik wrote:

Gijs writes:


Hey List,

Not sure why this is happening so perhaps someone can explain this 
to me.
Whenever I update bind it messes up/resets access rights on my zone 
files. Now normally this wouldn't be a bad thing, but because I 
have dynamic updates on, for which named creates journalizing 
files, I end up having non-writeable journalizing files. So after 
every update I end up having to manually change the access rights 
on my jnl files.


Is anyone else having the same problem and/or is it supposed to be 
like this?


You must have bind configured to run in chroot.

rpm's %post script runs /usr/sbin/bind-chroot-admin where, if you 
have chroot configured, it runs this lovely bit of code:


   chown -h root:named /var/named/* >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chown -h root:named ${BIND_CHROOT_PREFIX}/var/named/* >/dev/null 
2>&1;

   chown -h root:named /etc/{named,rndc}.* >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chown -h root:named ${BIND_CHROOT_PREFIX}/etc/{named,rndc}.* 
>/dev/null 2>&1;

   chown -h named:named /var/log/named.log >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chown -h named:named ${BIND_CHROOT_PREFIX}/var/log/named.log 
>/dev/null 2>&1;

   chmod 750 ${pfx}/var/named  >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chmod 640 ${pfx}/var/named/* >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chmod 750 ${pfx}/var/named/*/. >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chmod 660 ${pfx}/var/log/named.log >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chown -h named:named 
/var/named/{data{,/*},slaves{,/*},dynamic{,/*}} >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chown -h named:named 
${BIND_CHROOT_PREFIX}/var/named/{data{,/*},slaves{,/*},dynamic{,/*}} 
>/dev/null 2>&1;

   chmod 770 ${pfx}/var/named/{data,slaves,dynamic} >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chmod 660 ${pfx}/var/named/{data/*,slaves/*,dynamic/*} >/dev/null 
2>&1;
   chmod 770 ${pfx}/var/named/{data/*/.,slaves/*/.,dynamic/*/.} 
>/dev/null 2>&1;


Lovely.

Heh, that's indeed lovely. And yea, I've got named configured to run 
in chroot as it is the default nowadays (at least on Fedora).


You should note that the 'dynamic' subfolder contents are set to mode 
660.
Move your updateable zone files there and update the referenced paths 
in named.conf accordingly.


Chris

Yep, completely true. After checking the man file, it indeed says that 
writeable zone files should be placed in one of the 3 directories in 
/var/named/{data,slaves,dynamic}.

Good thing we finally got that one sorted out :)

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Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

[Björn Persson]

Ric Moore wrote:
> Has HURD actually become a working kernel?? Ric

Apparently yes:

http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install

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Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

[inode0]

On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:39 PM, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> You were told about the problems earlier on too and you choose to ignore
>> it. CDDL was deliberately designed to be incompatible with GPL
>
> Deliberate? _Everything_ that is not the GPL is incompatible with the GPL.

For a list of dozens of examples showing this statement to be utterly wrong see

http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html#GPLCompatibleLicenses

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Dependency hell again. Or is it still?

[Gene Heskett]

Greetings;

Repost with some editing..

I'm trying to build and install the most recent OpenMovieEditor release, and 
that has forced me to install a load of devel stuffs.  OpenMovieEditor needs 
gmerlin, which I got the tar.bz2 from sourceforge for it.  But, the build is 
bailing out with this:

checking for OpenGL... yes
configure: error: Gmerlin needs OpenGL and GLX
Compilation in gmerlin failed

The video card here is an older ATI:

02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] 
(rev 01)
02:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] 
(Secondary) (rev 01)

And I am using the radeon driver, which it has been reasonably happy with.  
And, 
FWIW, glxinfo spits out that I do have version 1.2 installed and running.

Snippets from that output:

GLX version: 1.2
OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R200 20060602 AGP 8x x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE TCL
OpenGL version string: 1.3 Mesa 7.0.3

So what -devel rpm do I install to fix these (apparently GLX) dependencies?

Thanks all.

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Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

[Craig White]

On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 02:42 -0400, Ric Moore wrote:

> Besides, T.A.G. was about free software since 1980. (Thieves and
> Assassins Guild) If it wasn't free, it was made free.  Ric

Arghhh - they've since moved to Sweden

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Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 16:41 +0930, Tim wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 13:32 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > No, it's 4x3 or a standard "square TV" monitor. Landscape is 16x9.
> 
> No, "landscape" just means wider than tall.  "Portait" means taller than
> wide.  The two of them *ONLY* refer to the orientation, and take their
> names from painting or photography.
> 
> "Widescreen" means something wider than the old standard 4:3.

Yes, I failed to follow the old recommendation "Ensure Brain is Fully
Engaged Before Employing Mouth" (or in this case Keyboard).

poc

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Re: Fedora & wireless

[Timothy Murphy]

MKas wrote:

> So how to turn on essid if "iwconfig wlan0 essid on" do nothing?

Is the network you are trying to access called "on"?


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Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 23:39 +, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Anne Wilson  googlemail.com> writes:
> > Ah - we're bordering on the metaphysical, are we?   Where does the panel 
> > actually live?  Can't answer that, sorry 
> 
> Most systray applets are autostarted from .desktop files in some autostart 
> folder, normally /etc/xdg/autostart, but there's also the 
> KDE-specific /usr/share/autostart and a per-user Autostart folder in ~/.kde.

OK, since I'm interested in the strange icon shown by Kmix in the panel,
I did a search:

# locate .desktop|grep -i kmix
/usr/share/applications/kde4/kmix.desktop
/usr/share/autostart/kmix_autostart.desktop
/usr/share/autostart/restore_kmix_volumes.desktop
/usr/share/kde4/services/kmixctrl_restore.desktop

and then looked for icon references:

# grep -i icon /usr/share/applications/kde4/kmix.desktop 
/usr/share/autostart/kmix_autostart.desktop 
/usr/share/autostart/restore_kmix_volumes.desktop 
/usr/share/kde4/services/kmixctrl_restore.desktop
/usr/share/applications/kde4/kmix.desktop:Icon=kmix
/usr/share/autostart/kmix_autostart.desktop:Icon=kmix

Now since the icon being displayed is *not* the Kmix icon (by which I
mean the one shown in the corner when you open the Kmix Properties
dialogue), the plot thickens ...

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Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

[Timothy Murphy]

Björn Persson wrote:

>> Has HURD actually become a working kernel?? Ric
> 
> Apparently yes:
> 
> http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install

The installation instructions sound almost farcically bad.

Bizarrely, it seems one has to pay for a "Live Hurd CD".



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Re: Dependency hell again. Or is it still?

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 19 July 2008, Markku Kolkka wrote:
>Gene Heskett kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika perjantai, 18.
>
>heinäkuuta 2008):
>> checking for OpenGL... yes
>> configure: error: Gmerlin needs OpenGL and GLX
>> Compilation in gmerlin failed
>>
>> I've poked at yumex's search bar now for about half an hour
>> trying to get it to show me some GLX that isn't just the glitz
>> bindings.
>>
>> So what do I install to fix these dependencies?
>
>mesa-libGL-devel
It is installed:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] gmerlin-0.3.7]# rpm -qa |grep mesa
mesa-libGL-7.0.2-3.fc8
mesa-libGLw-devel-6.5.1-4.fc8
mesa-libOSMesa-devel-7.0.2-3.fc8
mesa-libGLU-devel-7.0.2-3.fc8
mesa-libGLU-7.0.2-3.fc8
mesa-libGLw-6.5.1-4.fc8
mesa-libGL-devel-7.0.2-3.fc8
mesa-libOSMesa-7.0.2-3.fc8

Also in /usr/include/GL:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] GL]# tree .
.
|-- GLwDrawA.h
|-- GLwDrawAP.h
|-- GLwMDrawA.h
|-- GLwMDrawAP.h
|-- gl.h
|-- glATI.h
|-- gl_mangle.h
|-- glew.h
|-- glext.h
|-- glu.h
|-- glu_mangle.h
|-- glx.h
|-- glxATI.h
|-- glx_mangle.h
|-- glxew.h
|-- glxext.h
|-- glxint.h
|-- glxmd.h
|-- glxproto.h
|-- glxtokens.h
|-- internal
|   |-- dri_interface.h
|   `-- glcore.h
|-- osmesa.h
|-- wglew.h
|-- xmesa.h
|-- xmesa_x.h
`-- xmesa_xf86.h

The error it shows onscreen is many kilobytes above the bottom of that file, 
and 
it appears the failure is caused by its inability to find several functions in 
these headers.  For instance, one of the searches in that attached config.log 
is for the function "glAccum", but in /usr/includes/GL:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] GL]# grep glAccum *
glew.h:GLAPI void GLAPIENTRY glAccum( GLenum op, GLfloat value );
gl.h:GLAPI void GLAPIENTRY glAccum( GLenum op, GLfloat value );
gl_mangle.h:#define glAccum MANGLE(Accum)

And there are quite a few similar failures, so many I feel like I'm lost in the 
forest.

>If that doesn't help, check the configure.log file to see which
>header or library is actually missing.

It doesn't seem to say.  I've sent the authors of gmerlin a msg also, maybe 
they 
can decode that config.log better than I seem to be doing.

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Thank you Markku.

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suddenly, firefox is giving me ASSERT errors

[Robert P. J. Day]

  when trying to get to numerous sites:

ASSERT: *** Search: _installLocation: engine has no file!
... etc etc ...

  i have to imagine i'm not the only person seeing this.  and i can't
even get to bugzilla to see if it's been reported.

  thoughts?

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Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

[Björn Persson]

Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Bizarrely, it seems one has to pay for a "Live Hurd CD".

How is that bizarre? You know that a CD is a physical object, don't you?

Björn Persson

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Re: suddenly, firefox is giving me ASSERT errors

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 09:36 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> when trying to get to numerous sites:
> 
> ASSERT: *** Search: _installLocation: engine has no file!
> ... etc etc ...
> 
>   i have to imagine i'm not the only person seeing this.  and i can't
> even get to bugzilla to see if it's been reported.
> 
>   thoughts?

Version of FF? Are add-ons enabled? What does "rpm -V firefox" say?

poc

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Re: suddenly, firefox is giving me ASSERT errors

[Reid Rivenburgh]

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 7:36 AM, Robert P. J. Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  when trying to get to numerous sites:
>
> ASSERT: *** Search: _installLocation: engine has no file!
> ... etc etc ...
>
>  i have to imagine i'm not the only person seeing this.  and i can't
> even get to bugzilla to see if it's been reported.
>
>  thoughts?

Is it possible that you're still running firefox 3.0.0 but upgraded to
firefox 3.0.1?  It happened to me too, and I suspect some files or
directories the running firefox needs were shifted behind the scenes.
Hopefully an exit/restart will fix it for you.

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Re: suddenly, firefox is giving me ASSERT errors

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, Reid Rivenburgh wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 7:36 AM, Robert P. J. Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  when trying to get to numerous sites:
> >
> > ASSERT: *** Search: _installLocation: engine has no file!
> > ... etc etc ...
> >
> >  i have to imagine i'm not the only person seeing this.  and i can't
> > even get to bugzilla to see if it's been reported.
> >
> >  thoughts?
>
> Is it possible that you're still running firefox 3.0.0 but upgraded
> to firefox 3.0.1?  It happened to me too, and I suspect some files
> or directories the running firefox needs were shifted behind the
> scenes. Hopefully an exit/restart will fix it for you.

i'm going to guess that that's exactly what happened, thanks.

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Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

[Björn Persson]

Thomas Cameron wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 02:48 +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
> > Mark Haney wrote:
> > > Personally, I think the demand by Stallman, and others to call Linux
> > > 'GNU/Linux' is just stupid and childish.
> >
> > What exactly is it that you don't want to call "GNU/Linux"? What pieces
> > of software does it contain?
> >
> > Is Udev part of what you call Linux?
>
> udev is not a GNU project.
>
> > Is Yum part of what you call Linux?
>
> Yum is not a GNU project.
>
> > Is Apache HTTPD part of what you call Linux?
>
> Apache is not a GNU project.
>
> > Is Sylpheed part of what you call Linux?
>
> Sylpheed is not a GNU project.
>
> The reality is that a modern Linux distribution contains code from the
> *BSD projects, from the Apache project, from ISC, and from a ton of
> other projects and groups.  Should we call it "GNU/Apache/BSD/Kitchen
> Sink/Linux?"  That's just silly.
>
> The core of the distribution

*The* distribution? Which one? Mark Haney's post didn't talk about any 
particular distribution, but this is the Fedora list after all so I'll assume 
that you meant Fedora.

> is the kernel, called Linux.  It is 
> perfectly fair and reasonable to call it plain old "Linux."

Although you didn't really answer my questions, your argumentation implies 
that you consider Udev, Yum, Sylpheed and the entire Apache project parts of 
Linux, but not Kylix apparently. You also seem to equate Fedora with Linux. I 
won't assume without further evidence that you're a bigot who thinks Fedora 
is the One True Distribution, so you probably consider Debian, Gentoo and 
others different versions of Linux or something like that.

I guess your idea of Linux is "all software that is included in at least one 
distribution based on the kernel Linux" – a bit narrower than Joe Klemmer's 
concept of "all software that can run in a Unix-like environment".

Seeing how you point out that Yum, Apache and Sylpheed aren't GNU projects, 
yet consider them parts of Linux, it seems like you think they're subprojects 
of Linus Torvalds' Linux project and are distributed by Linus and his team. 
Surely you know that's not the case, but if they can be parts of Linux 
without being Linux projects, then I don't understand why they couldn't be 
parts of GNU/Linux without being GNU projects.

> I don't 
> really get riled up at the folks who write it as GNU/Linux, but I think
> they are being silly, and not attributing all the other fine projects
> which have contributed code.

I agree that it would be silly to talk about all of Fedora as "GNU/Linux", 
because it contains so much more than just GNU and Linux. I suppose that's 
why it's called "Fedora".

It follows of course that it would be even more silly to call Fedora "Linux", 
because Linux is an even smaller part of Fedora than GNU/Linux is.

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Re: Printing with Canon Pixma iP1800 on Fedora Core 7

[Valentina M]

It says:

el planificador de tareas se está ejecutando
destino predeterminado del sistema: iP1800_Ver.2.70
tipo de conexión para EPSONLX300: parallel:/dev/lp0
tipo de conexión para iP1800_series: usb://Canon/iP1800%20series
tipo de conexión para iP1800_Ver.2.70: cnij_usb:/dev/usb/lp0
tipo de conexión para pruebaip4000: usb://Canon/iP1800%20series
EPSONLX300 aceptando peticiones desde mié 18 jul 2007 20:14:59 UYT
iP1800_series aceptando peticiones desde sáb 12 jul 2008 20:01:23 UYT
iP1800_Ver.2.70 aceptando peticiones desde mar 15 jul 2008 12:16:01 UYT
pruebaip4000 aceptando peticiones desde sáb 12 jul 2008 20:25:01 UYT
la impresora EPSONLX300 está inactiva.  activada desde mié 18 jul 2007
20:14:59 UYT
la impresora iP1800_series está inactiva.  activada desde sáb 12 jul 2008
20:01:23 UYT
la impresora iP1800_Ver.2.70 está inactiva.  activada desde mar 15 jul 2008
12:16:01 UYT
la impresora pruebaip4000 está inactiva.  activada desde sáb 12 jul 2008
20:25:01 UYT

It is in spanish... if u want me to translate it i can do it.

Thank you!!!

Valentina

On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Kevin Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
> Valentina M wrote:
>
>> Hi, I have a printer Canon Pixma iP1800 and I want to print on Linux. I
>> installed the following packages:
>> #yum localinstall –nogpgcheck cnijfilter-common-2.70-1.i386.rpm <
>> http://www.canon.com.au/products/printers/colour_bj_printers/ip1800_support.aspx
>> >
>> # yum localinstall –nogpgcheck cnijfilter-ip1800series-2.70-1.i386.rpm <
>> http://www.canon.com.au/products/printers/colour_bj_printers/ip1800_support.aspx
>> >
>>
>> They worked, the printer seems to be recognized (Im not sure) but it won't
>> print. When I send work to print "Fedora" doesnt report any problem but the
>> printer doesnt make a thing.
>>
>> Does any1 know how I can fix that? If that is so, plz I would like to get
>> some instructions, since I'm new on Linux.
>> Thank u,
>> Valentina
>>
>
> What does lpstat -t say?
>
> kevin
>
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Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

[Anders Karlsson]

* Timothy Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20080719 15:04]:
> Björn Persson wrote:
> 
> >> Has HURD actually become a working kernel?? Ric
> > 
> > Apparently yes:
> > 
> > http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install
> 
> The installation instructions sound almost farcically bad.

Agreed. I also find this statement funny.

"If GNU/Hurd fails to boot, it could be due to shared IRQs: GNU Mach
does not play well with these."

I'd say that's a bit limiting to obtain main-stream acceptance.

> Bizarrely, it seems one has to pay for a "Live Hurd CD".

No, you can find them easily to download. Plug "live cd debian hurd"
into google and you'll have results quickly.

/Anders

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DWARF 2[/3] the most advanced debugging format?

[Robert P. J. Day]

  a friend who's just getting into development on linux was reading
the gcc manual and ran across the variety of available debugging
formats here:

http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.3.0/gcc/Debugging-Options.html

and asked me, out of all those formats, which was the "best" one to
start working with.

  i suggested he'd be best off getting familiar with the DWARF 2
format, since fedora already comes with a yum-installable "dwarves"
package containing various DWARF-related examination utilities.

  that seemed like an easy answer at the time, but is there a better
choice?  i realize stabs is still common but, in terms of being
technically advanced, is DWARF 2 the most informative and most useful
of the formats?  thanks.

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Re: F9: Using dd to clone a drive...

[g]

Dan Thurman wrote:


I used dd off the Gnome Live CD, so that neither
drives were mounted nor active. Next I proceeded
to use dd as follows:


a while back, i tried running 'dd' from a live cd to 'clone' 2
drives of same brand, model, firmware, whole 9 yards.

clone bombed every time.

i cured problem by building a bare system, no 'x', networking,
or anything else unneeded, on a 3rd hard drive, and only the
1 drive in fstab.

i am not sure what problem was, but i can only contribute it to
simple fact of 'live cd'.

ymmv.

good luck to you.


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Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

[John Cornelius]

On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 02:48 +0200, Björn Persson wrote:

Mark Haney wrote:


Personally, I think the demand by Stallman, and others to call Linux
'GNU/Linux' is just stupid and childish.
  
What exactly is it that you don't want to call "GNU/Linux"? What pieces of 
software does it contain?


Is Udev part of what you call Linux?


-SNIP-
  


Yesterday I checked the licensing on Fedora and discovered that it's 
covered by nearly 150 different licenses and many of those licenses (at 
least 60 of them) are neither compliant nor compatible with GPLv?. In 
fact, some GPL licenses are not compatible or compliant with other GPL 
licenses but that's a different issue.


The multiplicity of licenses would seem to indicate that Fedora is not 
substantially a GNU undertaking although there seems to be significant 
cross pollenization between GNU and everybody else. That is as it should 
be and it explains with some succinctness why Fedora is not GNU/Linux.


Certainly the contributions of all involved are welcome, appreciated, 
and embraced by the entire community and the efforts of contributors are 
to be admired irrespective of their viewpoints.


Besides, a Gnu by any other name is just a big ugly antelope.

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F9 No netork access from Xwindows

[Dean Maluski]

I just installed Fedora 9 on a machine.
It has network access. 
>From command shell I can ping and dig addresses but the status icon in
top right corner says networking is disabled and when I run Firefox it
says I am offline.
yum also fails to connect.
I've disabled firewall and selinux I think with no changes.
What new feature did I miss?

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Fedora Crash...

[Ankur Raheja]

Hi,
My Fedora 6 has crashed... the system hangs up at the start of Interactive
Startup Screen.
Without Interactive screen following error appears :
*"  /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit: line 819: 1339 segmentation fault rm -f
$afile/*"*

Further, the Fedora 6 or even F8 CD in the CD Rom is not being recognized so
unable to rescue ???
Though, CD-Rom is fine and boots Windows 2000 CD but not a linux CD.

Any solutions ???


Regards,

Ankur Raheja
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Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

[inode0]

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:37 AM, John Cornelius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The multiplicity of licenses would seem to indicate that Fedora is not
> substantially a GNU undertaking although there seems to be significant cross
> pollenization between GNU and everybody else. That is as it should be and it
> explains with some succinctness why Fedora is not GNU/Linux.

$ cat /etc/redhat-release
Fedora release 8 (Werewolf)
$ uname -o
GNU/Linux

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Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

[Antonio Olivares]

> > ZFS was included in FreeBSD 7.0 because the BSD
> license is more free than the GPL with that regard.
> 
> And if NetApp win against Sun they can sue FreeBSD now, for
> triple
> damages which would be millions and the end of FreeBSD.

That is a big IF, maybe it should be an iff (IF and ONLY IF) like in 
Mathematics.  :)

They(FreeBSD) should be protected, the users can get the ports from source, 
they do not ship binaries(except the installation *.tbz files).  

Now, what is the probability that NetApp would win?  Is it a sure event? or 
uncertain event?  We should have no idea on this?  Which court system?  Is it 
in a U.S. based court?  

In many ways when Fedora was created there were troubles, there was an existing 
Fedora Project already, and the thing got settled :)

http://www.fedora-commons.org/about/history.php

Regards,

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Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

[Les Mikesell]

inode0 wrote:

On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:39 PM, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

You were told about the problems earlier on too and you choose to ignore
it. CDDL was deliberately designed to be incompatible with GPL

Deliberate? _Everything_ that is not the GPL is incompatible with the GPL.


For a list of dozens of examples showing this statement to be utterly wrong see

http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html#GPLCompatibleLicenses


The statement is not wrong - the reason a few that are listed as 
compatible is that the permit themselves to be replaced by the GPL. 
When combined in a work with GPL components any other attributes of the 
original licenses no longer apply.


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Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

[Les Mikesell]

Alan Cox wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:04:49 -0700 (PDT)
Antonio Olivares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


ZFS was included in FreeBSD 7.0 because the BSD license is more free than the 
GPL with that regard.


And if NetApp win against Sun they can sue FreeBSD now, for triple
damages which would be millions and the end of FreeBSD.


Is that particularly different than SCO's claims against IBM/Linux?  Or 
the patents that Microsoft claims it holds that are used in Linux?


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Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?

[Anne Wilson]

On Saturday 19 July 2008 13:58:26 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> OK, since I'm interested in the strange icon shown by Kmix in the panel,
> I did a search:
>
> # locate .desktop|grep -i kmix
> /usr/share/applications/kde4/kmix.desktop
> /usr/share/autostart/kmix_autostart.desktop
> /usr/share/autostart/restore_kmix_volumes.desktop
> /usr/share/kde4/services/kmixctrl_restore.desktop
>
> and then looked for icon references:
>
> # grep -i icon /usr/share/applications/kde4/kmix.desktop
> /usr/share/autostart/kmix_autostart.desktop
> /usr/share/autostart/restore_kmix_volumes.desktop
> /usr/share/kde4/services/kmixctrl_restore.desktop
> /usr/share/applications/kde4/kmix.desktop:Icon=kmix
> /usr/share/autostart/kmix_autostart.desktop:Icon=kmix
>
> Now since the icon being displayed is *not* the Kmix icon (by which I
> mean the one shown in the corner when you open the Kmix Properties
> dialogue), the plot thickens ...

Fascinating.  I've noted before that the icon that appears when you autostart 
kmix is not the one that you see in the icon-selector.  That's been so as 
long as I can remember.  But I agree, I can't find where it gets that one.

/usr/share/autostart is definitely where it lists those tiny application 
icons, but as well as the kmix mystery there is also a space that looks as 
though it has something unidentifiable there, and kwallet docks into the same 
space.  I tend to think of that group as system icons, as distinct from the 
ones that I add, either as widgets or as application launchers.

Anne


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Re: F9: Using dd to clone a drive...

[Les Mikesell]

Daniel B. Thurman wrote:


> I used dd off the Gnome Live CD, so that neither

> drives were mounted nor active. Next I proceeded
> to use dd as follows:
>
> dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb
>
> It took approx. 6 hours to copy over 450GB of data.
>
You would be better off using gparted or clonzilla to do the
copping. With DD, it has to copy every byte. The others understand
file systems and only copy data, not empty space.


I tried Gparted-Live.

Unfortunately, it failed to copy 85% of the way complaining
about a bad block on the source drive!  I have run the 'Check'
and it does not even see any problems with the source drive!
I even did a check on the destination drive and it says it does
not see any problems either - even when the copy failed!

Is there any tool besides fsck that really does a through job
making sure to detect bad-blocks (if there really was any)
and add it to the bad block list?  Or, perhaps there is a problem
with Gparted-Live v0.3.7.7.1 version?


A brute-force approach is 'cat /dev/sda >/dev/null'.  If it completes, 
run dmesg to see if there were any messages about soft errors or 
retries.  Also, smartctl -a /dev/sda might have something interesting 
about the disk health.


I'd try to get a tar archive of the contents of that filesystem if there 
is anything important on it. The bad spot might be on an unused portion 
that a file based copy would miss.




The sda6 partition size is correctly 604106921 (~300GB) so why
the heck is Gparted reading 937752324, probably somewhere
in the 7th partition (5GB swap) or even possibly at the end of
the750GB  drive itself?

Of the 300GB / partition, only 49GB is actually used while the
rest is actually empty space.  Is that the problem?  Is Gparted
smart enough not to copy over empty space and end after 49GB
of data?

I  have tried everything I could throw at it:

Gnome-Live & Gparted Live:
1) mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/a
mount /dev/sdb6 /mnt/b
setenforce 0
   a)  cp -acpx /mnt/a/.  /mnt/b
   b)  tar --xattrs  -cpf - /mnt/a | (cd /mnt/b tar --xattrs -xpf - .)

Nothing seems to work!

Why am I not able to get the / partition copied over
successfully?  Everything is bootable *except* / !


Do you still have both drives in the same machine, and do they contain 
LVM volumes?  If you cloned the id's the duplicate might not work. The 
solution might be as simple as unhooking the other drive. If the reason 
you are cloning is to build a different machine and you also have enough 
space on a networked drive to hold a compressed image copy, I recommend 
using clonezilla-live.  It's a bootable iso that will save the master 
copy to a local or remote (nfs/smb/ssh) drive.  Then you can boot it in 
the target and it will reconstruct the partitioning and filesystems as 
well as the contents.  It knows enough about most filesystems (including 
windows) to only copy the used portions of the disk so it is very fast.


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Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

[inode0]

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> inode0 wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:39 PM, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:

 You were told about the problems earlier on too and you choose to ignore
 it. CDDL was deliberately designed to be incompatible with GPL
>>>
>>> Deliberate? _Everything_ that is not the GPL is incompatible with the
>>> GPL.
>>
>> For a list of dozens of examples showing this statement to be utterly
>> wrong see
>>
>> http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html#GPLCompatibleLicenses
>
> The statement is not wrong - the reason a few that are listed as compatible
> is that the permit themselves to be replaced by the GPL. When combined in a
> work with GPL components any other attributes of the original licenses no
> longer apply.

This is amazing logic. If a few *dozen* examples contradicting your
claim that everything that is not the GPL is incompatible with the GPL
doesn't convince you then nothing can.

You seem to really have a beef with copyleft and that is fine. Some
people value freedom for developers more than freedom for users. And
they tend to use licenses that grant as much freedom to developers as
they desire. Others prefer to assure freedom for users and they tend
to favor copyleft licenses like the GPL. It is an honest difference of
opinion but there really isn't anything furthered by misrepresenting
what the other side stands for.

John

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Re: bind update keeps messing up write-rights

[Ed Warner]

Message: 7
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 06:26:53 -0400
From: "Christopher K. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: bind update keeps messing up write-rights
To: For users of Fedora 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Gijs wrote:
> Sam Varshavchik wrote:
>> Gijs writes:
>>
>>> Hey List,
>>>
>>> Not sure why this is happening so perhaps someone can explain this

>>> to me.
>>> Whenever I update bind it messes up/resets access rights on my
zone 
>>> files. Now normally this wouldn't be a bad thing, but because
I have 
>>> dynamic updates on, for which named creates journalizing files, I 
>>> end up having non-writeable journalizing files. So after every 
>>> update I end up having to manually change the access rights on my 
>>> jnl files.
>>>
>>> Is anyone else having the same problem and/or is it supposed to be

>>> like this?
>>
>> You must have bind configured to run in chroot.
>>
>> rpm's %post script runs /usr/sbin/bind-chroot-admin where, if you 
>> have chroot configured, it runs this lovely bit of code:
>>
>>chown -h root:named /var/named/* >/dev/null 2>&1;
>>chown -h root:named ${BIND_CHROOT_PREFIX}/var/named/* >/dev/null

>> 2>&1;
>>chown -h root:named /etc/{named,rndc}.* >/dev/null 2>&1;
>>chown -h root:named ${BIND_CHROOT_PREFIX}/etc/{named,rndc}.* 
>> >/dev/null 2>&1;
>>chown -h named:named /var/log/named.log >/dev/null 2>&1;
>>chown -h named:named ${BIND_CHROOT_PREFIX}/var/log/named.log 
>> >/dev/null 2>&1;
>>chmod 750 ${pfx}/var/named  >/dev/null 2>&1;
>>chmod 640 ${pfx}/var/named/* >/dev/null 2>&1;
>>chmod 750 ${pfx}/var/named/*/. >/dev/null 2>&1;
>>chmod 660 ${pfx}/var/log/named.log >/dev/null 2>&1;
>>chown -h named:named 
>> /var/named/{data{,/*},slaves{,/*},dynamic{,/*}} >/dev/null
2>&1;
>>chown -h named:named 
>> ${BIND_CHROOT_PREFIX}/var/named/{data{,/*},slaves{,/*},dynamic{,/*}} 
>> >/dev/null 2>&1;
>>chmod 770 ${pfx}/var/named/{data,slaves,dynamic} >/dev/null
2>&1;
>>chmod 660 ${pfx}/var/named/{data/*,slaves/*,dynamic/*}
>/dev/null 
>> 2>&1;
>>chmod 770 ${pfx}/var/named/{data/*/.,slaves/*/.,dynamic/*/.} 
>> >/dev/null 2>&1;
>>
>> Lovely.
>>
> Heh, that's indeed lovely. And yea, I've got named configured to
run 
> in chroot as it is the default nowadays (at least on Fedora).
>
>You should note that the 'dynamic' subfolder contents are set to mode
>660.
>Move your updateable zone files there and update the referenced paths in 
>named.conf accordingly.
>
>Chris
>

Could you clarify your statement for me please?

1. Othe than my zone files, what else goes into 
/var/named/chroot/var/named/dynamic ?

2. My named.conf resides in /var/named/chroot/etc, so I need to make changes to 
point to the path --> /var/named/chroot/var/named/dynamic ?

Thanks,



  

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Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

[Les Mikesell]

inode0 wrote:

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

inode0 wrote:

On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:39 PM, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

You were told about the problems earlier on too and you choose to ignore
it. CDDL was deliberately designed to be incompatible with GPL

Deliberate? _Everything_ that is not the GPL is incompatible with the
GPL.

For a list of dozens of examples showing this statement to be utterly
wrong see

http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html#GPLCompatibleLicenses

The statement is not wrong - the reason a few that are listed as compatible
is that the permit themselves to be replaced by the GPL. When combined in a
work with GPL components any other attributes of the original licenses no
longer apply.


This is amazing logic. If a few *dozen* examples contradicting your
claim that everything that is not the GPL is incompatible with the GPL
doesn't convince you then nothing can.


Please explain how a work containing any GPL'd material can contain any 
that is not covered by the GPL, given the 'work as a whole' provision in 
the license.   While there are indeed licenses that permit their own 
terms to be replaced by the GPL when used in this way, that means the 
terms _become_ the GPL, not that different terms are or can be, by 
design, compatible.



You seem to really have a beef with copyleft and that is fine.


I have a beef with representing restrictions as freedom.


Some
people value freedom for developers more than freedom for users.


Restrictions have nothing to do with freedom no matter how you spin it.


And
they tend to use licenses that grant as much freedom to developers as
they desire. Others prefer to assure freedom for users and they tend
to favor copyleft licenses like the GPL. It is an honest difference of
opinion but there really isn't anything furthered by misrepresenting
what the other side stands for.


So drop the misrepresentation and make the license enumerate all of the 
things it prohibits instead of hand-waving about freedom while in fact 
preventing most of the possible ways of re-using the code.


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Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

[Antonio Olivares]

> $ cat /etc/redhat-release
> Fedora release 8 (Werewolf)
> $ uname -o
> GNU/Linux
> 
> John
> 
> -- 

Tried this command in slax
uname -o which according to man uname 
   -o, --operating-system
  print the operating system

Slax is based on Slackware Linux, here's the result(s)

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/slax-version
Slax 6.0.7
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/slackware-version
Slackware 12.1.0
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# uname -o
GNU/Linux


It is GNU/Linux.  Should this be tried with Ubuntu, Suse, Gentoo, ..., etc?

Regards,

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Re: bind update keeps messing up write-rights

[Gijs]

Ed Warner wrote:

Message: 7
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 06:26:53 -0400
From: "Christopher K. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: bind update keeps messing up write-rights
To: For users of Fedora 
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Gijs wrote:
  

Sam Varshavchik wrote:


Gijs writes:

  

Hey List,

Not sure why this is happening so perhaps someone can explain this



  

to me.
Whenever I update bind it messes up/resets access rights on my

zone 
  

files. Now normally this wouldn't be a bad thing, but because

I have 
  
dynamic updates on, for which named creates journalizing files, I 
end up having non-writeable journalizing files. So after every 
update I end up having to manually change the access rights on my 
jnl files.


Is anyone else having the same problem and/or is it supposed to be



  

like this?


You must have bind configured to run in chroot.

rpm's %post script runs /usr/sbin/bind-chroot-admin where, if you 
have chroot configured, it runs this lovely bit of code:


   chown -h root:named /var/named/* >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chown -h root:named ${BIND_CHROOT_PREFIX}/var/named/* >/dev/null
  


  

2>&1;
   chown -h root:named /etc/{named,rndc}.* >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chown -h root:named ${BIND_CHROOT_PREFIX}/etc/{named,rndc}.* 
  

/dev/null 2>&1;


   chown -h named:named /var/log/named.log >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chown -h named:named ${BIND_CHROOT_PREFIX}/var/log/named.log 
  

/dev/null 2>&1;


   chmod 750 ${pfx}/var/named  >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chmod 640 ${pfx}/var/named/* >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chmod 750 ${pfx}/var/named/*/. >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chmod 660 ${pfx}/var/log/named.log >/dev/null 2>&1;
   chown -h named:named 
/var/named/{data{,/*},slaves{,/*},dynamic{,/*}} >/dev/null
  

2>&1;
  
   chown -h named:named 
${BIND_CHROOT_PREFIX}/var/named/{data{,/*},slaves{,/*},dynamic{,/*}} 
  

/dev/null 2>&1;


   chmod 770 ${pfx}/var/named/{data,slaves,dynamic} >/dev/null
  

2>&1;
  

   chmod 660 ${pfx}/var/named/{data/*,slaves/*,dynamic/*}
  
/dev/null 


2>&1;
   chmod 770 ${pfx}/var/named/{data/*/.,slaves/*/.,dynamic/*/.} 
  

/dev/null 2>&1;


Lovely.

  

Heh, that's indeed lovely. And yea, I've got named configured to

run 
  

in chroot as it is the default nowadays (at least on Fedora).

You should note that the 'dynamic' subfolder contents are set to mode
660.
Move your updateable zone files there and update the referenced paths in 
named.conf accordingly.


Chris




Could you clarify your statement for me please?

1. Othe than my zone files, what else goes into 
/var/named/chroot/var/named/dynamic ?

2. My named.conf resides in /var/named/chroot/etc, so I need to make changes to 
point to the path --> /var/named/chroot/var/named/dynamic ?

Thanks

I cannot really clarify point 1, but I can somewhat clarify point 2.
In my named.conf I now have the following:
zone "0.168.192.in-addr.arpa" IN {
   type master;
   file "dynamic/named.0.168.192";
   allow-update { key rndc; };
};

zone "home" IN {
   type master;
   file "dynamic/home.zone";
   allow-update { key rndc; };
};

This allows named to find the zone files inside the dynamic folder. 
Also, /var/named/chroot/etc/named.conf has a hardlink to /etc/named.conf 
so that might be somewhat easier to type next time you want to edit that 
file :). And because named is running inside a chroot, you cannot set 
the path to "/var/named/chroot/var/named/dynamic" inside the named.conf. 
For named, the chroot basically means that everything is running from 
the /var/named/chroot directory. In other words, if you refer to 
/var/named/dynamic inside your named.conf, it actually refers to 
/var/named/chroot/var/named/dynamic.


Hope this makes sense :)
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Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

[Alan Cox]

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:55:18 -0700 (PDT)
Antonio Olivares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > > ZFS was included in FreeBSD 7.0 because the BSD
> > license is more free than the GPL with that regard.
> > 
> > And if NetApp win against Sun they can sue FreeBSD now, for
> > triple
> > damages which would be millions and the end of FreeBSD.
> 
> That is a big IF, maybe it should be an iff (IF and ONLY IF) like in 
> Mathematics.  :)

A big if but rather a nasty consequence, and unlike FreeBSD the Linux
companies have enough money that people do try lawsuits.

> They(FreeBSD) should be protected, the users can get the ports from source, 
> they do not ship binaries(except the installation *.tbz files).  

That makes no difference to US patent law.

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Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

[Antonio Olivares]

> > > > ZFS was included in FreeBSD 7.0 because the
> BSD
> > > license is more free than the GPL with that
> regard.
> > > 
> > > And if NetApp win against Sun they can sue
> FreeBSD now, for
> > > triple
> > > damages which would be millions and the end of
> FreeBSD.
> > 
> > That is a big IF, maybe it should be an iff (IF and
> ONLY IF) like in Mathematics.  :)
> 
> A big if but rather a nasty consequence, and unlike FreeBSD
> the Linux
> companies have enough money that people do try lawsuits.
> 
> > They(FreeBSD) should be protected, the users can get
> the ports from source, they do not ship binaries(except the
> installation *.tbz files).  
> 
> That makes no difference to US patent law.

# fsck US Patent law
fsck 1.40.8 (13-Mar-2008)


Sun Microsystems encouraged the ZFS port to FreeBSD, and yes they placed the 
patents in place, now if they encouraged the port to FreeBSD(since BSDs* are 
more relaxed than GPL), they should protect FreeBSD.  If not, like you say 
(FreeBSD should get rid of it and protect themselves much like Fedora protects 
itself from these cr*ppy patents and lawuits :)

Regards,

Antonio 


  

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Re: Solved - NetworkManagerDispatcher Has Disappearred and so has wireless connection

[Rick Bilonick]

On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 10:08 -0400, Rick Bilonick wrote:
> I've been using F8 on my "main" laptop since January and have F8 running
> on a total of 4 systems (2 of them laptops). F8 is up to date on the
> "main" laptop and I just accessed my home network (WEP) and office
> network (WPA) on Wednesday. NM has been working OK since I installed F8.
> Starting yesterday, I cannot connect to either network. I've noticed
> that NetworkManagerDispatcher (usually visible under services) is gone
> (NetworkManager is still there). I'm also getting an SELinux warning
> message about NetworkManager (never had one before). When I do:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# iwlist wlan0 scan
> wlan0 No scan results
> 
* lines removed *

OK, when trying to connect to a projector (which turns out to have had a
broken vga cable), I did a Fn F2 by mistake which turns off the internal
minipci wireless card. Doing it again turned it turned it back on and
"iwlist wlan0 scan" works and nm immediately connected to the wireless
network. Problem solved.

I still don't know what happened to dispatcher but I guess it doesn't
matter.

Rick B.

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Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

[Steve Underwood]

Alan Cox wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:55:18 -0700 (PDT)
Antonio Olivares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

ZFS was included in FreeBSD 7.0 because the BSD


license is more free than the GPL with that regard.

And if NetApp win against Sun they can sue FreeBSD now, for
triple
damages which would be millions and the end of FreeBSD.
  

That is a big IF, maybe it should be an iff (IF and ONLY IF) like in 
Mathematics.  :)



A big if but rather a nasty consequence, and unlike FreeBSD the Linux
companies have enough money that people do try lawsuits.

  
They(FreeBSD) should be protected, the users can get the ports from source, they do not ship binaries(except the installation *.tbz files).  



That makes no difference to US patent law.
  
Its the same with anyone else's patent law, too. Shipping things as a 
kit of parts never successfully circumvented any patent laws.


Steve

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Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:41:58 -0500,
  Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> When the AT&T monopoly was sensibly split up, it was then able to  

I think just plain split up is a better description. I think history has
shown that the split wasn't done "sensibly" and unfortunately we aren't
going to get a do over any time soon.

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Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

[Kevin J. Cummings]

Antonio Olivares wrote:

$ cat /etc/redhat-release
Fedora release 8 (Werewolf)
$ uname -o
GNU/Linux

John

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Tried this command in slax
uname -o which according to man uname 
   -o, --operating-system

  print the operating system

Slax is based on Slackware Linux, here's the result(s)

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/slax-version
Slax 6.0.7
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/slackware-version
Slackware 12.1.0
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# uname -o
GNU/Linux


It is GNU/Linux.  Should this be tried with Ubuntu, Suse, Gentoo, ..., etc?


Let's see:

rpm -qf `which uname`
coreutils-6.10-27.fc9.x86_64

and of course rpmq -i coreutils:

Name: coreutilsRelocations: (not relocatable)
Version : 6.10  Vendor: Fedora Project
Release : 27.fc9Build Date: Fri 04 Jul 2008 
12:37:00 PM EDT
Install Date: Wed 09 Jul 2008 02:15:25 PM EDT  Build Host: x86-5
Group   : System Environment/Base   Source RPM: 
coreutils-6.10-27.fc9.src.rpm
Size: 11290040 License: GPLv3+
Signature   : DSA/SHA1, Tue 08 Jul 2008 11:23:50 AM EDT, Key ID b44269d04f2a6fd2
Packager: Fedora Project
URL : http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/
Summary : The GNU core utilities: a set of tools commonly used in shell 
scripts
Description :
These are the GNU core utilities.  This package is the combination of
the old GNU fileutils, sh-utils, and textutils packages.


So, you want to use a GNU utility to "prove" that the OS is GNU/Linux? 
Sounds rather like GNU made an assertion and is using that assertion as 
a proof.


BTW, I wouldn't have expected a package of GNU utilities to say anything 
else.


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Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 20:16:33 -0430,
  Patrick O'Callaghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I saw it running on an LSI-11 (a minimal PDP-11 with no memory
> manegment). It wasn't much use for anything except data capture as it
> couldn't have more than 64k of memory.

I used to use a PDP-8e timeshare system with less memory than that. I think
the one I used had 4 memory boards each with 4k 12bit words of memory
and that it would support up to about 16 simultaneously logged in users.

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Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

[inode0]

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> inode0 wrote:
>> ...
> Please explain how a work containing any GPL'd material can contain any that
> is not covered by the GPL, given the 'work as a whole' provision in the
> license.   While there are indeed licenses that permit their own terms to be
> replaced by the GPL when used in this way, that means the terms _become_ the
> GPL, not that different terms are or can be, by design, compatible.

By definition a license is compatible with the GPL if it allows the
work to be combined with GPL code and redistributed as a combined work
under the GPL. There is no reason to redefine or explain this in any
other way. Lots of licenses are compatible with the GPL.

>> You seem to really have a beef with copyleft and that is fine.
>
> I have a beef with representing restrictions as freedom.
>
>> Some
>> people value freedom for developers more than freedom for users.
>
> Restrictions have nothing to do with freedom no matter how you spin it.

Restrictions have nothing to do with anarchy, but they are the normal
way people organize themselves to preserve freedom.

>> And
>> they tend to use licenses that grant as much freedom to developers as
>> they desire. Others prefer to assure freedom for users and they tend
>> to favor copyleft licenses like the GPL. It is an honest difference of
>> opinion but there really isn't anything furthered by misrepresenting
>> what the other side stands for.
>
> So drop the misrepresentation and make the license enumerate all of the
> things it prohibits instead of hand-waving about freedom while in fact
> preventing most of the possible ways of re-using the code.

It is impossible to enumerate things like this just as it is
impossible to enumerate all the ways people can harm each other. The
intent of the GPL is to preserve the essential freedoms enumerated by
the FSF. That is the clear intent, revisions are necessary as people
invent new ways to circumvent the desired wishes of the copyright
holders.

John

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Recent updates

[Paolo Galtieri]

There still appear to be packages which depend on gecko-libs 1.9.  When I
try to do an install of these packages:

yum -y install gtkmozembedmm.i386 gnome-python2-gtkmozembed
gtkmozembedmm.x86_64

it fails with:

Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit
Setting up Install Process
Parsing package install arguments
Resolving Dependencies
--> Running transaction check
---> Package gtkmozembedmm.i386 0:1.4.2.cvs20060817-20.fc9 set to be updated
--> Processing Dependency: gecko-libs = 1.9 for package: gtkmozembedmm
---> Package gnome-python2-gtkmozembed.x86_64 0:2.19.1-16.fc9 set to be
updated
--> Processing Dependency: gecko-libs = 1.9 for package:
gnome-python2-gtkmozembed
---> Package gtkmozembedmm.x86_64 0:1.4.2.cvs20060817-20.fc9 set to be
updated
--> Processing Dependency: gecko-libs = 1.9 for package: gtkmozembedmm
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
gtkmozembedmm-1.4.2.cvs20060817-20.fc9.x86_64 from updates has depsolving
problems
  --> Missing Dependency: gecko-libs = 1.9 is needed by package
gtkmozembedmm-1.4.2.cvs20060817-20.fc9.x86_64 (updates)
gnome-python2-gtkmozembed-2.19.1-16.fc9.x86_64 from updates has depsolving
problems
  --> Missing Dependency: gecko-libs = 1.9 is needed by package
gnome-python2-gtkmozembed-2.19.1-16.fc9.x86_64 (updates)
gtkmozembedmm-1.4.2.cvs20060817-20.fc9.i386 from updates has depsolving
problems
  --> Missing Dependency: gecko-libs = 1.9 is needed by package
gtkmozembedmm-1.4.2.cvs20060817-20.fc9.i386 (updates)
Error: Missing Dependency: gecko-libs = 1.9 is needed by package
gtkmozembedmm-1.4.2.cvs20060817-20.fc9.x86_64 (updates)
Error: Missing Dependency: gecko-libs = 1.9 is needed by package
gtkmozembedmm-1.4.2.cvs20060817-20.fc9.i386 (updates)
Error: Missing Dependency: gecko-libs = 1.9 is needed by package
gnome-python2-gtkmozembed-2.19.1-16.fc9.x86_64 (updates)

And by the way what word is depsolving?  Is this a contraction of dependency
resolving? :-)

Paolo
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Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

[Antonio Olivares]

> > It is GNU/Linux.  Should this be tried with Ubuntu,
> Suse, Gentoo, ..., etc?
> 
> Let's see:
> 
> rpm -qf `which uname`
> coreutils-6.10-27.fc9.x86_64
> 
> and of course rpmq -i coreutils:
> > Name: coreutils   
> Relocations: (not relocatable)
> > Version : 6.10 
> Vendor: Fedora Project
> > Release : 27.fc9Build
> Date: Fri 04 Jul 2008 12:37:00 PM EDT
> > Install Date: Wed 09 Jul 2008 02:15:25 PM EDT 
> Build Host: x86-5
> > Group   : System Environment/Base   Source
> RPM: coreutils-6.10-27.fc9.src.rpm
> > Size: 11290040
> License: GPLv3+
> > Signature   : DSA/SHA1, Tue 08 Jul 2008 11:23:50 AM
> EDT, Key ID b44269d04f2a6fd2
> > Packager: Fedora Project
> > URL : http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/
> > Summary : The GNU core utilities: a set of tools
> commonly used in shell scripts
> > Description :
> > These are the GNU core utilities.  This package is the
> combination of
> > the old GNU fileutils, sh-utils, and textutils
> packages.
> 
> So, you want to use a GNU utility to "prove" that
> the OS is GNU/Linux? 
> Sounds rather like GNU made an assertion and is using that
> assertion as 
> a proof.
No, I do not want to prove it, I just tried it on slax to show if the results 
were the same.  I know it does not prove anything :( only that GNU wrote that 
part and we would not expect anything else.  
> 
> BTW, I wouldn't have expected a package of GNU
> utilities to say anything 
> else.
> 
> -- 

Very true!  :)  

part of man uname from slax follows

COPYRIGHT
   Copyright  2007 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
   This is free software.  You may redistribute copies  of  it  under  the
   terms   of   the  GNU  General  Public  License
   .  There is NO WARRANTY,  to  the
   extent permitted by law.

SEE ALSO
   uname(2)

   The full documentation for uname is maintained as a Texinfo manual.  If
   the info and uname programs are properly installed at  your  site,  the
   command

  info uname

   should give you access to the complete manual.

GNU coreutils 6.9  June 2007  UNAME(1)

Regards,

Antonio


  

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Re: Newbie Warnng! : Fedora Core Offline Updates

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 07:49:09 -0700,
  stan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I haven't used rsync and perhaps it does this automatically, but you can 
> also use wget with a list of packages that you have installed, set to 
> only update files that have changed.  Point it to a specific mirror that 
> you know is fast and run it every night.  You could then burn the 
> resulting changes to a DVD and use sneaker net to put it into the yum 
> cache on the machine you are running in isolated mode.  Then you would 
> just run yum update as normal and the updates would occur.

That isn't going to work very well. Without the repo metadata yum isn't
going to work and when some new dependencies are introduced your rpm
upgrades are going to fail.

It's really going to be easier to just get a copy of the whole repositories
for the architectures you need. The everything repository doesn't change
so you only need to get that one once.

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Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

[inode0]

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Kevin J. Cummings
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Antonio Olivares wrote:
>> It is GNU/Linux.  Should this be tried with Ubuntu, Suse, Gentoo, ...,
>> etc?
>
> Let's see:
>
> rpm -qf `which uname`
> coreutils-6.10-27.fc9.x86_64
>
> and of course rpmq -i coreutils:
>>
>> Name: coreutilsRelocations: (not relocatable)
>> Version : 6.10  Vendor: Fedora Project
>> Release : 27.fc9Build Date: Fri 04 Jul 2008
>> 12:37:00 PM EDT
>> Install Date: Wed 09 Jul 2008 02:15:25 PM EDT  Build Host: x86-5
>> Group   : System Environment/Base   Source RPM:
>> coreutils-6.10-27.fc9.src.rpm
>> Size: 11290040 License: GPLv3+
>> Signature   : DSA/SHA1, Tue 08 Jul 2008 11:23:50 AM EDT, Key ID
>> b44269d04f2a6fd2
>> Packager: Fedora Project
>> URL : http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/
>> Summary : The GNU core utilities: a set of tools commonly used in
>> shell scripts
>> Description :
>> These are the GNU core utilities.  This package is the combination of
>> the old GNU fileutils, sh-utils, and textutils packages.
>
> So, you want to use a GNU utility to "prove" that the OS is GNU/Linux?
> Sounds rather like GNU made an assertion and is using that assertion as a
> proof.

It is no different than my running a program provided as part of OSF1
and believing it when it tells me that the operating system is OSF1.

> BTW, I wouldn't have expected a package of GNU utilities to say anything
> else.

Not exactly my point. Fedora chooses to release an operating system
that asserts itself to be GNU/Linux. I think people who want to assert
that it isn't GNU/Linux are the ones who need to provide proof of that
claim.

John

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Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:46:32 -0500,
  Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sendmail does go back even further, perhaps to the days when there were  
> dozens of computers on the internet - but without something more  
> interesting along with the ability to reuse the code it might have  
> stayed that way.

One of the reasons sendmail was so complicated is because in those days there
wasn't a single dominent 'internet'. Sendmail could handle email being sent to
multiple different networks such as arpanet and uunet. (Bitnet was important
than as well, but I am not sure if the gateways to bitnet used sendmail.)

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Re: DWARF 2[/3] the most advanced debugging format?

[Michael Eager]

Robert P. J. Day wrote:

  a friend who's just getting into development on linux was reading
the gcc manual and ran across the variety of available debugging
formats here:

http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.3.0/gcc/Debugging-Options.html

and asked me, out of all those formats, which was the "best" one to
start working with.

  i suggested he'd be best off getting familiar with the DWARF 2
format, since fedora already comes with a yum-installable "dwarves"
package containing various DWARF-related examination utilities.

  that seemed like an easy answer at the time, but is there a better
choice?  i realize stabs is still common but, in terms of being
technically advanced, is DWARF 2 the most informative and most useful
of the formats?  thanks.


Well, DWARF version 3 was released a few years ago.  :-)

DWARF is an extensible, block structured debugging format.  It has
a significant user community which is involved in upgrading and
extending it.  Other formats, such as stabs or coff debug, are either
not block structured, difficult to extend, limited to specific
architectures, poorly documented, antiquated, or moribund.

DWARF is the default debugging format for most GCC compilers,
including those on Linux on x86 and PowerPC.  Linux migrated away
from stabs some time ago.

You can find an Introduction to DWARF article which I wrote a
couple years ago on the DWARF website:  http://dwarfstd.org

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Fedora 9 and VMWare Server

[Michael Eager]

Has anyone been able to get VMWare Server running on F9?

I've installed VMWare Server from the rpm, run the config
script and everything seems to be installed correctly.
When I try to connect to the web management server, it
tells me that the server is not responding.

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Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

[Alexandre Oliva]

On Jul 19, 2008, Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:04:49 -0700 (PDT)
> Antonio Olivares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> ZFS was included in FreeBSD 7.0 because the BSD license is more free than 
>> the GPL with that regard.

> And if NetApp win against Sun they can sue FreeBSD now, for triple
> damages which would be millions and the end of FreeBSD.

Err...  Is there any reason NetApp would have to wait for the end of
the lawsuit with Sun to sue FreeBSD out of existence?

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Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

[Alexandre Oliva]

On Jul 19, 2008, Antonio Olivares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> one of the authors of the GPL Alexandre Oliva.

FTR, I don't regard myself as one of the authors of GPLv3.  Although I
have participated in the process to some extent, and contributed a few
ideas that ended up in the final version, I didn't write any of the
sentences in it.

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Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

[Antonio Olivares]

> Err...  Is there any reason NetApp would have to wait for
> the end of
> the lawsuit with Sun to sue FreeBSD out of existence?
> 
> -- 

Even if they did not wait, Sun would protect them :)

http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/harvesting_from_a_troll


First, the basics. Sun indemnifies all its customers against IP claims like 
this. That is, we've always protected our markets from trolls, so customers can 
continue to use ZFS without concern for spurious patent and copyright issues. 
We stand behind our innovation, and our customers. 

 Second, Sun protects the communities using our technologies under free 
software licenses. As an example, Apple is including ZFS is in their upcoming 
"Leopard" OS X release. This is happening without any payment to Sun (that's 
how truly free software works). Under the license, we've waived all rights to 
sue them for any of the patents or copyright associated with ZFS. We've let 
Apple know we will use our patent portfolio to protect them and the Mac ZFS 
community from Net App. With or without a commercial relationship to Sun. 
That's true for any licensee - in fact, Net App could adopt ZFS today and 
receive the same protection. The port is done to FreeBSD, the OS on which Net 
App's filers are built. They could use it without owing us a dime, and they'd 
be protected from our portfolio. (The quid pro quo? They'd have to agree to 
offer reciprocal protection to Sun.)


Regards,

Antonio 


  

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Re: restorecon not found

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 00:21:13 -0430,
  Patrick O'Callaghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 12:52 +0800, Jun Evidente wrote:
> > Hi Guys,
> > 
> > Can anybody tell me me how to 'restorecon'? 
> > 
> > All I get is "bash: restorecon: command not found" when I issued it from
> > the terminal.
> 
> You have to be root.

No you don't. The issue reported above had to do with his default path, not
the user he was running as. Now he may need to also run as root depending
on what files he needed to relabel, but that isn't the problem above.

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Re: Problem with crontab joblog

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:02:20 +0200,
  Guillaume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a problem with standard users after cronjobs ran, there is no
> mail sended to the cronjob owner after the job succeed.
> Problem does not seem to exist with superuser.

Are you sure the cronjobs are producing output? If there is no output, no
email is going to be sent.

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Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

[Alexandre Oliva]

On Jul 19, 2008, Anders Karlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> * Timothy Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20080719 15:04]:

>> Bizarrely, it seems one has to pay for a "Live Hurd CD".

> No, you can find them easily to download. Plug "live cd debian hurd"
> into google and you'll have results quickly.

Oh, and Tim, once you download it, will you please burn a CD for me
and send it to me?  Given your statement, I'd be surprised if you were
to charge me anything for it.

:-P

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Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

[Antonio Olivares]

> FTR, I don't regard myself as one of the authors of
> GPLv3.  Although I
> have participated in the process to some extent, and
> contributed a few
> ideas that ended up in the final version, I didn't
> write any of the
> sentences in it.
> 
> -- 

Sorry for the misunderstanding :(
Since you posted a draft on the list, I thought you were one of the authors :(. 
 I apologize and sorry for mentioning the Tivo battles, since I saw your name 
in the exchanges with Linus Torvalds.  Your name is also mentioned in the 
cdrkit vs cdrtools thread that discusses the incompatibilites in GPL vs CDDL 
licenses.  Like I have mentioned before some Linux Distros still keep cdrtools 
and have never adopted the cdrkit cd burning software(fork of cdrecord).  They 
do not consider the issue as critical?  

Your name is mentioned in the Tivo battles with GPL() and Linus Torvalds

http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/6/17/298

The language, the wording and clauses here and clauses there are very hard to 
interpret.  It is no wonder that many people do not like the GPL because of the 
bad things, the good things are the ones that keep it going :)  The binary 
kernel modules is a gray area as well :(  

Regards,

Antonio


  

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Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

[Alexandre Oliva]

On Jul 18, 2008, Thomas Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The core of the distribution is the kernel, called Linux.

What about GNU *core*utils? :-P :-D

And then, again, what if you remove Linux, install kFreeBSD or
OpenSolaris in its stead, rebuild glibc to export the same ABI but use
the system calls of the new kernel, and reboot?  How come that would
still be Linux?

Do you mean core as in the core of an apple, as in, that part pretty
much nobody is interested in, but without which apples would have a
harder time reproducing? :-)

BTW, would you call an apple a seed, just because it has seeds in its
core?

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Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

[Antonio Olivares]

> >> Bizarrely, it seems one has to pay for a
> "Live Hurd CD".
> 
> > No, you can find them easily to download. Plug
> "live cd debian hurd"
> > into google and you'll have results quickly.
> 
> Oh, and Tim, once you download it, will you please burn a
> CD for me
> and send it to me?  Given your statement, I'd be
> surprised if you were
> to charge me anything for it.
> 
> :-P
> 
> -- 

He might be inclined to charge for shipping and handling :)

Regards,

Antonio


  

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Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

[Antonio Olivares]

> >> Bizarrely, it seems one has to pay for a
> "Live Hurd CD".
> 
> > No, you can find them easily to download. Plug
> "live cd debian hurd"
> > into google and you'll have results quickly.
> 
> Oh, and Tim, once you download it, will you please burn a
> CD for me
> and send it to me?  Given your statement, I'd be
> surprised if you were
> to charge me anything for it.
> 
> :-P
> 
> -- 

He might be inclined to charge for shipping and handling :)

Regards,

Antonio


  

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Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

[Timothy Murphy]

Björn Persson wrote:

> Timothy Murphy wrote:
>> Bizarrely, it seems one has to pay for a "Live Hurd CD".
> 
> How is that bizarre? You know that a CD is a physical object, don't you?

I usually download CDs and burn them.
Like Fedora KDE Live CD, which I use to install Fedora.
I guess there are people selling the Fedora Live CDs 
but I never heard of them.

As I said, the instructions for installing Hurd
()
are unbelievably bad.
I can't believe many people are going to go to that much trouble.

Why not just put the OS on a web-site somewhere, in the usual way?




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Re: Current Respin for F9, or how to build updated F9 live dvd on an F7 system?

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:59:57 -0400,
  Todd Denniston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Of course the alternative would include having a USB hard drive with a 
> mirror of fedora/linux/updates/9/ on it, but that means you still 
> have to install the old package and then wait while the system figures 
> out how to update to the new package.

I believe that when you tell anaconda to use an additional repository it
doesn't install packages with updates twice. The extra time needed for
installing base+updates over base should be pretty small.

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Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

[Alexandre Oliva]

On Jul 18, 2008, "Patrick O'Callaghan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Alexandre Oliva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> However common sense kicks in: if you replace or remove any single
>> component of the large collection of programs that together amount to
>> an operating system, this won't make enough of a different to make it
>> a different operating system.  So, GNU-Hurd is still the GNU operating
>> system.

> So Operating System - kernel = Operating System?

Removing non-essential components might very well still leave you with
a complete operating system.  The kernel is hardly non-essential, so
taking it out leaves you with an incomplete operating system.

Putting another kernel in its stead would get you a complete operating
system again.  Not precisely the same operating system, but rather a
combination of the originally complete operating system with the
replacement component.

Incidentally, this is exactly what happened: there was this complete
operating system called GNU.  Its kernel Hurd, still incomplete, was
disregarded, and Linux was used in its stead.  Thus GNU[-Hurd]+Linux,
or GNU+Linux for short.

You can shorten it further to GNU, if you need a single name: just
choose the name of the most significant component, of the largest
contributor, which is common practice.

> (in fact I would characterize the anti-GNU/Linux position being
> exactly that: people use the terminology they find convenient and
> aren't too worried about exactness).

I'm sure people who don't care could fit in this description.

But people who fight violently against GNU/Linux most often have some
other agenda, and find all sorts of excuses to promote only Linux, in
detriment of GNU and of the Free Software movement.

> Replacing the kernel is not remotely on the same level as replacing
> some random program,

Agreed, see above.

> and counting lines of code is no way to assign importance.

Agreed as well, it's not the whole story.

What criterium do you suggest instead?

> For the that matter, replacing (or just removing) X, Gnome and/or KDE woul
> reduce the code count by a huge amount, but there's no doubt in my mind that
> we'd still call the result Linux (or GNU/Linux according to preference).

Agreed, they're not even essential components of the operating system,
although many people would be turned down if distros refrained from
including them.

>> > OTOH (and this is something I haven't raised before), what people in the
>> > great majority *do* say is Linux, not GNU/Linux.

>> Ad populum?  The great majority thinks Windows is part of the
>> computer, but that so many people make this mistake doesn't make it
>> right.

> "The majority" means "the majority of people who *do* know what
> these things are".

I'm afraid this doesn't make it any less of an argumentum ad populum.

That many people make the same mistake doesn't make it any less of a
mistake.

>> If it weren't for the very man who actually started asking people to
>> give credit to the project he started to give people freedom while
>> using computers to start this project, nothing would have changed
>> either, and we might very well find out we wouldn't have any Free
>> operating system to use.

> I think you're confusing two things. RMS defined Free Software (he didn't
> invent it but he did formalize the idea) and deserves every credit for that.

*and* he first wrote the first several major components of the GNU
operating system, and he'd have written them all if others hadn't
joined him.

> The success of the idea is in part due to people signing up to the
> principle because it appeals to them, and in part because it has
> clear economic advantages.

Economic advantages to everyone, except to the monopolists, which were
precisely the ones who were pushing in the direction that RMS started
opposing.  The very kind of pursuit for more power we're seeing today,
from monopolists such as recording labels and hollywood, pushing
anti-social legislation and technical measures.  Monopolies that bring
great economic harm to everyone around them.

> OTOH pushing a *name* for something a) appeals to far fewer people,
> especially those who have become used to a different name, and b)
> has no economic impact whatsoever.

I believe this argument is a bit short-sighted.  No offense indented,
honest, let me elaborate.

Given that monopolists will try to extend their power through the
means available to them, and if they succeed they will bring back the
very problem we're trying to solve, the way to avoid this is to raise
awareness about the problem, such that people avoid falling in the
traps that the wannabe-monopolists will try to set for them.

Now, failing to promote the term that carries with it the key to
understand the power struggle at hand, and to escape from the chains
put in by those who are trying to impose their power over others,
namely, the idea of freedom, might appear to be no big deal in the
short term.

But in

Re: Truecrypt on Fedora

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 16:34:01 +0200,
  Valent Turkovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://arbitness.blogspot.com/2008/07/installing-truecrypt-on-fedora-9-howto.html
> 
> Here is how you can compile and install Truecrypt on Fedora, there
> seam to be packages made for fedora.
> 
> Can truecrypt be included in Fedora?

Also if you don't need interoperability with Windows, you can use dmcrypt
to encrypt partitions. This can be used on USB drives or when doing installs
(every partition other than /boot can be encrypted).

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Re: Hardware

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 12:42:03 -0400,
  Robert Karge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I'm about to build a new computer. I've been using Asus for years and have
> F8 running flawless on it.
> 
> Any suggestions?

Dan Bernstein has some infomartion for people building computers. His
priorities may not be yours, so you don't want to follow his example
blindly, but he does give you a good baseline to start from.
His latest version covers a core 2 system, but there are earlier ones
with AMD cpus.
http://cr.yp.to/hardware/build-20071203.html

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Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

[Timothy Murphy]

Anders Karlsson wrote:

>> Bizarrely, it seems one has to pay for a "Live Hurd CD".
> 
> No, you can find them easily to download. Plug "live cd debian hurd"
> into google and you'll have results quickly.

Actually, I didn't find this as simple as it sounds.
On googling for "live cd debian hurd" the first few items I encountered
seemed to date from 2003 and 2005.

After some detective work, it seems the latest version of Hurd is K16,
which appears to have been "published" at the end of 2007.
(I had assumed from the discussion here
that a new version of Hurd had just been issued,
but if that is so I did not find it.)

However, the only concrete site I found 
on googling for "live cd debian hurd K16"
was 
which said "the very latest Hurd LiveCD" is hurd-live-cd-20051117.iso.gz .

Perhaps one of the Stallmanites on the list
could take a short break from the (to me) very unrewarding discussion
of GNU and non-GNU licences,
and post a precise URL where one can download the latest Live Hurd CD.


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Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

[Alexandre Oliva]

On Jul 18, 2008, Antonio Olivares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Code that is freely available doesn't need protection as nothing
>> can happen to it other then someone else using and improving it
>> which is a good thing regardless of what else happens to that copy
>> subsequently.

> I am sure many would disagree with this,

\o.

It's a good thing as long as it doesn't bring harm.  The control
excised through non-Free Software does bring harm.

> The code has to be protected in some way to ensure that someone/or a
> company cannot claim the code to be theirs

Does this matter?

> and start selling it

Is this a problem?

> and not give anything back.  This is the good side of the GPL if
> there is one.

Forcing someone to give back would make the Software non-Free.  The
GPL doesn't do that.  It requires payforward, not payback.  See
http://fsfla.org/blogs/lxo/draft/gplv3-snowwhite

> The components can be shared, you just have to use the GPL and
> license your work on it.  This is like I scratch your back, but you
> will also scratch mine.

More like I scratch your back, you will scratch someone else's back.

In Brazil, it's common for beggers to thank with a phrase such as "May
God pay you back".  They realize they probably won't ever be able to
return the favor in kind, so they resort to asking some superior being
to intervene.  I'm often tempted to respond to this with something
like "The day you're in my shoes and you find someone else in yours,
please pay back then, not to me, but to this other fellow human
being."

This is the nature of the GPL.

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Re: Firefox update problem

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 21:09:02 -0700,
  Jonathan Ryshpan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 07:13 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > Steven Stern wrote:
> > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > > Hash: SHA1
> > > 
> > > $ sudo yum update firefox
> > > Error: Missing Dependency: gecko-libs = 1.9 is needed by package
> > > nspluginwrapper-1.1.0-2.fc9.i386 (installed)
> > 
> > The problem here is that in rushing out the security fix for Firefox, 
> > nspluginwrapper was not rebuild and still requires the older version of 
> > gecko-lib. This is now a known issue and is being fixed.
> 
> Will this also fix a similar update problem on x86_64 systems?  An
> extract from a yum log follows.  The update process is bringing in 
> xulrunner-1.9-0.60.beta5.fc9.i386.rpm 
> (why?) even though a more recent version 
> xulrunner-1.9.0.1-1.fc9.i386.rpm
> exists on at least some repositories.  A complete log of the update is
> attached.

I am still seeing that problem as of this morning. It looks like the updated
rpm is in the repo, but the metadata for x86_64 doesn't refer to it.

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Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

[Alan Cox]

> > And if NetApp win against Sun they can sue FreeBSD now, for triple
> > damages which would be millions and the end of FreeBSD.
> 
> Err...  Is there any reason NetApp would have to wait for the end of
> the lawsuit with Sun to sue FreeBSD out of existence?

For two reasons

1. Any suit before then would be held up until after the first case
decided the validity

2. Once the Sun case was decided it would be rather hard to argue any
uncertainty or doubt and avoid triple damages.

Not btw that I think netapp would do such a thing.

Alan

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Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

[Timothy Murphy]

Alexandre Oliva wrote:

>>> Bizarrely, it seems one has to pay for a "Live Hurd CD".
> 
>> No, you can find them easily to download. Plug "live cd debian hurd"
>> into google and you'll have results quickly.
> 
> Oh, and Tim, once you download it, will you please burn a CD for me
> and send it to me?  Given your statement, I'd be surprised if you were
> to charge me anything for it.

I take it from the smiley that this is a joke (lost on me)
rather than a genuine request.

Just to explain my remark above, I was referring to the document

which only mentions a Live Hurd CD in the context
that it is available for purchase.

As I mentioned elsewhere I did not actually have much luck
searching for this famous Hurd Live CD.
If you really don't have the facility for burning CDs
and can point me to the URL I will be happy to send you a real Live CD.

I would do that myself if I knew where to get it.


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Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

[Alexandre Oliva]

On Jul 18, 2008, Antonio Olivares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> However, we now now that there are GPL police out there and
> enforcing the GPL on people who modify the freely available code out
> there, but do not share their modifications :(

This is not a very accurate picture.

There's no GPL enforcement whatsoever involved in the actions you
describe above.

It's not a GPL violation or copyright infringement to modify software
under the GPL.  It's not a GPL violatino or copyright infringement to
keep your modifications private to yourself.

What is a violation that may amount to copyright infringement is to
distribute the software, modified or not, under conditions other than
those established in the GPL, such that recipients are unable to enjoy
the same freedoms that the distributor could enjoy as to the software.

> Does the GPL protect Linux users across the globe against malicious
> lawsuits claiming ownership of programs that are used?

It can't.  Anyone can sue anyone else for any reason whatsoever, no
matter how reasonable the reason is.

The GPL can't possibly say anything as to the authorship of a program.
Say, if I take some program you wrote and, without your permission,
distribute it under the GPL, as if it was mine, myself and everyone
else can be sued by you for copyright infringement, no matter what the
GPL says or could say.  That I attached the GPL to it doesn't make it
a legitimate licensing action, because I don't have authority to grant
any license whatsoever over the code you wrote.

> I also wonder if the GPL is a true open source model?

Does this matter?  The GPL is about Free Software.  The Open Source
Definition was an attempt to spell out the Free Software Definition in
criteria easier to assess.  A failed attempt, while at that, because
it accepts licenses that most definitely don't respect the 4 essential
freedoms that make up the Free Software definition.

But yes, all 3 existing versions of the GPL match both definitions,
and, perhaps more importantly, are within the spirit of both
definitions.

> Some posts here are pointing that it is not :(

Those stem from confusion between freedom and power.  One's freedom
doesn't invade others'; one's power is used to do so.  GPL doesn't
grant power, it only goes as far as respecting freedom.  Its
conditions don't stop anyone from enjoying any of the four freedoms;
if someone feels prohibited from doing something by the GPL, odds are
that they're dismissing some other more fundamental restriction
they're under, or accepted from someone else, and are shifting onto
the GPL the blame for this other restriction.

, I am still confused because of too much jargon present.  

> The GPL then violates #9 in the definition

> 9. License Must Not Restrict Other Software
 
It doesn't, really.  It applies to a program, and to other works
derived from the program.  It doesn't apply to works that are merely
aggregated in the same distribution medium, without forming a single
program under copyright law.

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Re: F9 No netork access from Xwindows

[Timothy Murphy]

Dean Maluski wrote:

> I just installed Fedora 9 on a machine.
> It has network access.
>>From command shell I can ping and dig addresses but the status icon in
> top right corner says networking is disabled and when I run Firefox it
> says I am offline.
> yum also fails to connect.
> I've disabled firewall and selinux I think with no changes.
> What new feature did I miss?

You don't say how you are trying to "access the network".
WiFi? Ethernet? ADSL modem? etc




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Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

[Antonio Olivares]

> > The GPL then violates #9 in the definition
> 
> > 9. License Must Not Restrict Other Software
>  
> It doesn't, really.  It applies to a program, and to
> other works
> derived from the program.  It doesn't apply to works
> that are merely
> aggregated in the same distribution medium, without forming
> a single
> program under copyright law.
> 
> -- 

Then how could the fork of cdrecords had to be created if it was not Restrict 
Other Software?

http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/

What is the real explanation then?
The explanations that I have read are not very convincing :(
The arguments are very much red tape and political in nature :(

Is this a case of a misinterpretation of the GPL?

Regards,

Antonio 




  

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Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

[Antonio Olivares]

> > However, we now now that there are GPL police out
> there and
> > enforcing the GPL on people who modify the freely
> available code out
> > there, but do not share their modifications :(
> 
> This is not a very accurate picture.
> 
> There's no GPL enforcement whatsoever involved in the
> actions you
> describe above.
> 
> It's not a GPL violation or copyright infringement to
> modify software
> under the GPL.  It's not a GPL violatino or copyright
> infringement to
> keep your modifications private to yourself.

Try telling Zenwalk and Mepis that 

http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS4218186268.html

http://www.mepis.org/source

http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2008/01/18/22/49/54-zenwalk-5-0-is-not-an-option-mep

> 
> What is a violation that may amount to copyright
> infringement is to
> distribute the software, modified or not, under conditions
> other than
> those established in the GPL, such that recipients are
> unable to enjoy
> the same freedoms that the distributor could enjoy as to
> the software.
> 

This is clearly a question of what are the requirements as established by the 
GPL.  That is why they were accused of GPL violations.  They made their 
modifications of freely available code, but they did not release their 
modifications :(  This is why they were caught and the GPL police got after 
them and that is why the Mepis website offers the source at their page.  This 
is where Fedora is at its best.  Even though many things are restricted :(, 
they have the sources readily available and can get the sources for most 
packages.  There are src rpms and available on many mirrors :)

Regards,

Antonio 


  

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Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

[Les Mikesell]

Bruno Wolff III wrote:


When the AT&T monopoly was sensibly split up, it was then able to  


I think just plain split up is a better description. I think history has
shown that the split wasn't done "sensibly" and unfortunately we aren't
going to get a do over any time soon.


You haven't noticed the dismembered Bell's crawling back together to 
resurrect the monster?  Plus of, course devouring Cingular.  (I'm not a 
big fan of huge corporations...).


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Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

[Carroll Grigsby]

On Saturday 19 July 2008 04:37:13 pm Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Björn Persson wrote:
> > Timothy Murphy wrote:
> >> Bizarrely, it seems one has to pay for a "Live Hurd CD".
> >
> > How is that bizarre? You know that a CD is a physical object, don't you?
>
> I usually download CDs and burn them.
> Like Fedora KDE Live CD, which I use to install Fedora.
> I guess there are people selling the Fedora Live CDs
> but I never heard of them.
>


There are quite a few such vendors. In fact. Fedora maintains two extensive 
lists:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/OnlineVendors
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/LocalVendors

In addition, there are other vendors who regularly advertize at the 
Distrowatch home page and other Linux (oops - I guess that should be 
GNU/Linux) sites. Back in the day when I was on dialup, I used 
www.cheapbytes.com; their service was prompt and their quality was excellent.

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Re: nspluginwrapper vs. flash-plugin and AdobeReader_enu

[Kevin J. Cummings]

Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:

On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 15:45 -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:

Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:

Both
AdobeReader_enu-8.1.2-1.i486 
and 
Adobe's flash-plugin-9.0.124.0-release.i386

are installed on my system, which runs firefox-3.0-1.fc9.x86_64.  I

am

attempting to get nspluginwrapper-1.1.0-2.fc9.x86_64 to allow

firefox to

access these plugins, configuring them as follows:

# mozilla-plugin-config -r
# mozilla-plugin-config -6 -i

This doesn't work.  Neither of them shows up when "about:plugins" is
entered into firefox's URL box; and a test doesn't show them

working.

What's wrong with the configuration?

What versions of nspluginwrapper are installed?  On my (working)
system, 
I have 2:



nspluginwrapper-0.9.91.5-27.fc9.i386
nspluginwrapper-0.9.91.5-27.fc9.x86_64

I believe that the FAQ states you must have both installed in order
for it to work correctly.


You are correct.  nspluginwrapper for both i386 and x86_64 architectures
have to be installes for things to work properly.  And they both have to
be the same version: I had 
nspluginwrapper-1.1.0-3.fc9.x86_64

nspluginwrapper-0.9.91.5-27.fc9.i386
installed.  


Which probably happened during the last update with the bad
dependencies.  If the correct version of the .i386 package had already
been installed, it wouldn't have been a problem.  (It wasn't for me).
This last update brought in .i386 versions of sqlite, libidn, libcurl,
and nss for me which weren't there before.


Also to get sound libflashpluginsupport has to be installed.  Probably
this should be a dependency for Adobe's flash-plugin.*.rpm, which it
isn't.


Fedora doesn't build Adobe's RPM, and its not clear if the same RPM from
Adobe is intended for multiple RPM based distributions or not, or if the
other distrubutions even *have* a libflashpluginsupport RPM.


BTW: Where is the FAQ you're writing about?  I couldn't find it.


Fedora Release Notes.  For F8, its section 10.3.1 and contains the line:


Users of Fedora x86_64 must install the nspluginwrapper.i386 package to enable 
the 32-bit Adobe Flash plugin in x86_64 Firefox and the pulseaudio-libs.i386 
package to enable sound from the plugin..


I find that the Adobe Flash Plug-in works better for me than the
different open source alternatives.


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Creative Labs X-Fi Xtreme Audio Support

[Stewart Williams]

Is this card supported by ALSA yet in F9?


/sbin/lspci -v

...

03:00.0 Audio device: Creative Labs [SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio] CA0110-IBG
Subsystem: Creative Labs Unknown device 0018

...

My onboard soundcard recently stopped working and all I get is hissing 
from it. So I just purchased this card and stupidly forgot to check for 
Linux support. AFAICT it's a fairly new card and the driver is/was in beta.


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