Solar theme Round 2
Hi all, I create a new (semi-final) step for Solar. I've uploaded it on the wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar let me know your guess. Ciao Samuele Ps: Asap I will do the same for invinXible. -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Solar theme Round 2
Hi, I like that background. The only thing I think about is: PowerUser ... with more than just 4 Icons on the Desktop :-( Have you ever seen User with 20 or 30 Icons on the desktop? So it's impossible to use Round 2; unfortunately. If that background has also the changing colors of the day (like in F8 and F9) then, I will use it and forget that the Name of F10 should be Cambridge. Regards Gerold Hi all, I create a new (semi-final) step for Solar. I've uploaded it on the wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar let me know your guess. Ciao Samuele Ps: Asap I will do the same for invinXible. -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Solar theme Round 2
Samuele Storari wrote: Hi all, I create a new (semi-final) step for Solar. I've uploaded it on the wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar let me know your guess. I like better the round 1 [1] image, I find the round 2 one [2] a bit too bright and too contrasting. And while the background in the round 1 image was plain and bland, I think in the round 2 image it is quite busy. Naive question from someone not knowing that much about astronomy: are those planets images of our (Earth's) moon? Various planets are not supposed to be different in color and size? [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Solar.png [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Solar_round2_lil.png -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
R: Re: Solar theme Round 2
Ok, I'll do some correction on round 2, the planets aren't correct, cos they'r totally invented, like Sun, and the blu sky, remember in the space the sky is dark. :D But forget about the realism, think about the idea behind, they'r mean the satellite rule in the universe as the community stay for fedora. Greg said to think about power user, he was right, i'll correct ASAP like the contrast and the bright. Last consideration the light behind is the part changing by daytime. Samuele - Messaggio originale - Da: Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers. fedora-art-list@redhat.com Inviato: Martedì, 19 agosto 2008 13:45:58 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: Solar theme Round 2 Samuele Storari wrote: Hi all, I create a new (semi-final) step for Solar. I've uploaded it on the wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar let me know your guess. I like better the round 1 [1] image, I find the round 2 one [2] a bit too bright and too contrasting. And while the background in the round 1 image was plain and bland, I think in the round 2 image it is quite busy. Naive question from someone not knowing that much about astronomy: are those planets images of our (Earth's) moon? Various planets are not supposed to be different in color and size? [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Solar.png [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Solar_round2_lil.png -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Solar theme Round 2
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 14:45 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Samuele Storari wrote: Hi all, I create a new (semi-final) step for Solar. I've uploaded it on the wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar let me know your guess. I like better the round 1 [1] image, I find the round 2 one [2] a bit too bright and too contrasting. And while the background in the round 1 image was plain and bland, I think in the round 2 image it is quite busy. Naive question from someone not knowing that much about astronomy: are those planets images of our (Earth's) moon? Various planets are not supposed to be different in color and size? [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Solar.png [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Solar_round2_lil.png Right, to get a more usable image, you probably want to go for more subtlety -- less contrast, a simpler image, and/or less dramatic. That allows the user's eye to concentrate on what's on the Desktop, not the Desktop itself. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Solar theme Round 2
Hi Samuele, Samuele Storari wrote: Hi all, I create a new (semi-final) step for Solar. I've uploaded it on the wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar let me know your guess. Well I first wanted to let you know that it's hard for others to work with your artwork because you didn't provide sources or in lieu of that any instructions on how to reproduce it. If you want your theme to have a good shot at making it you should definitely make them available so more people can 'vote' on it. I liked the first solar better than this iteration; the colors were more Fedora blue and I think it was a bit darker so I think a bit more functional for a wallpaper (if the wallpaper is too bright / busy / contrasting it is hard for folks to use) I do like how you put the visual focus towards the lower right of the wallpaper, since we line the icons up starting from the upper left this helps. It looks like you may have used planet brushes to produce the white planets on the left? Can you make those available too? (are they openly-licensed?) Thanks, ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
R: Re: Solar theme Round 2
I will provide all the source, sorry, i'm new to the open source and it's not so simple for me. About the moon, it wasn't only brushes, one of the three was made using a photo that i've manipulated before. I will provide their too (the brushes) cos they are totally open. The trouble about my source it's they are really big, about 44,5 mb cos it's a .psd file and not a svg and i've got some difficult to share them. But i will do my best to let other person work on m purpose. Samuele - Messaggio originale - Da: Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers. fedora-art-list@redhat.com Inviato: Martedì, 19 agosto 2008 15:56:43 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: Solar theme Round 2 Hi Samuele, Samuele Storari wrote: Hi all, I create a new (semi-final) step for Solar. I've uploaded it on the wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar let me know your guess. Well I first wanted to let you know that it's hard for others to work with your artwork because you didn't provide sources or in lieu of that any instructions on how to reproduce it. If you want your theme to have a good shot at making it you should definitely make them available so more people can 'vote' on it. I liked the first solar better than this iteration; the colors were more Fedora blue and I think it was a bit darker so I think a bit more functional for a wallpaper (if the wallpaper is too bright / busy / contrasting it is hard for folks to use) I do like how you put the visual focus towards the lower right of the wallpaper, since we line the icons up starting from the upper left this helps. It looks like you may have used planet brushes to produce the white planets on the left? Can you make those available too? (are they openly-licensed?) Thanks, ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: R: Re: Solar theme Round 2
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 16:03 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote: I will provide all the source, sorry, i'm new to the open source and it's not so simple for me. About the moon, it wasn't only brushes, one of the three was made using a photo that i've manipulated before. I will provide their too (the brushes) cos they are totally open. The trouble about my source it's they are really big, about 44,5 mb cos it's a .psd file and not a svg and i've got some difficult to share them. But i will do my best to let other person work on m purpose. Hi Samuele, one of the ground rules we try to stick to is to use all open source for everything that goes into Fedora, including the artwork. So people will be looking for source for artwork that they can load into open source tools to create or edit the artwork as desired. Photoshop isn't free and open source, which will probably make things harder for Solar in the selection process. Maybe you can collaborate with someone on the list to adapt it for Inkscape, GIMP, or other free tools? -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: R: Re: Solar theme Round 2
Hi Samuele, Samuele Storari wrote: I will provide all the source, sorry, i'm new to the open source and it's not so simple for me. About the moon, it wasn't only brushes, one of the three was made using a photo that i've manipulated before. I will provide their too (the brushes) cos they are totally open. The trouble about my source it's they are really big, about 44,5 mb cos it's a .psd file and not a svg and i've got some difficult to share them. But i will do my best to let other person work on m purpose. The majority of folks here do not have photoshop and use gimp. Can you open the PSD up in gimp and convert it to xcf? Actually if you can save it as xcf.gz from gimp, it will compress the file and likely make it smaller. Then you could upload it to your account a fedorapeople.org (which is back up right now). You should have enough disk space to do this. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Samuele Storari wrote: The trouble about my source it's they are really big, about 44,5 mb cos it's a .psd file and not a svg and i've got some difficult to share them. One way to reduce the source size a bit it to open the .psd with GIMP and save it as compressed .xcf (.xcf.gz, .xcf.bz2). Other way would be to just compress the psd (zip, tgz, bz2, whatever) but even if GIMP can open psd files, we encourage the use of xcf :p -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Music and sound effects
Chris Norman wrote: Hi All, Hi Chris, I am a visually impared musician who wants to help with the fedora project. If anyone needs music or sound effects, voice clips or the like for any project, please feel free to email me. Glad to have you here! Most of us are skilled with using graphic application and less with creating sounds and I think Fedora (and the Linux desktop in general) could really use a good sound events theme, something rivalling the other desktop operating systems. Please don't ask me to test programs, becuase not all of the programs included with Fedora are accessible for the blind, and in most cases I probably won't have time, but if I can be of any assistance, please let me know. Personally I don't know much about this, but he have on list a few desktop people who should know more, in my understanding Fedora 10 should contain libcanberra, a sound event library implementing the XDG sound theming/naming specs. I am absolutely sure we can use some better sound files for this library. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Music and sound effects
Unfortunately, I am new to all this stuff, so if I were to go about creating sounds, where would I get the list of sounds needed? Can someone tell me what to do? :-D perhaps the people working on the XDG thing you mentioned? Cheers. On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 17:31 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Chris Norman wrote: Hi All, Hi Chris, I am a visually impared musician who wants to help with the fedora project. If anyone needs music or sound effects, voice clips or the like for any project, please feel free to email me. Glad to have you here! Most of us are skilled with using graphic application and less with creating sounds and I think Fedora (and the Linux desktop in general) could really use a good sound events theme, something rivalling the other desktop operating systems. Please don't ask me to test programs, becuase not all of the programs included with Fedora are accessible for the blind, and in most cases I probably won't have time, but if I can be of any assistance, please let me know. Personally I don't know much about this, but he have on list a few desktop people who should know more, in my understanding Fedora 10 should contain libcanberra, a sound event library implementing the XDG sound theming/naming specs. I am absolutely sure we can use some better sound files for this library. -- Chris Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Music and sound effects
Chris Norman wrote: Unfortunately, I am new to all this stuff, so if I were to go about creating sounds, where would I get the list of sounds needed? Can someone tell me what to do? :-D perhaps the people working on the XDG thing you mentioned? I hope I am not very wrong and if I am wrong someone will step up and correct me (I understand Mlanglie did a bit of clean-up on those files, not sure that Lennart is subscribed here) but this is a sound theme: http://0pointer.de/public/sound-theme-freedesktop.tar.gz, probably the GNOME default. Unpack it and will see a number of sound files (in OGG format, WAV could be just as good, we can compress it later), the file names should be self descriptive. Also se the README file in that tarball for some simple rules which have to be followed (duration, volume). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Music and sound effects
So if I create replacements for these files, what should I do with them? Cheers, On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 17:55 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Chris Norman wrote: Unfortunately, I am new to all this stuff, so if I were to go about creating sounds, where would I get the list of sounds needed? Can someone tell me what to do? :-D perhaps the people working on the XDG thing you mentioned? I hope I am not very wrong and if I am wrong someone will step up and correct me (I understand Mlanglie did a bit of clean-up on those files, not sure that Lennart is subscribed here) but this is a sound theme: http://0pointer.de/public/sound-theme-freedesktop.tar.gz, probably the GNOME default. Unpack it and will see a number of sound files (in OGG format, WAV could be just as good, we can compress it later), the file names should be self descriptive. Also se the README file in that tarball for some simple rules which have to be followed (duration, volume). -- Chris Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Music and sound effects
Chris Norman wrote: So if I create replacements for these files, what should I do with them? As I first step I think so can post a few here to get feedback from people. A second step would be to create (you or someone else more knowledgeable) a package (rpm) for Fedora and submit it to review. And if the theme is good enough, it may become the default. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Music and sound effects
Right, I'll do that then. Cheers, and I'll be in touch in the next couple of days. On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 18:40 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Chris Norman wrote: So if I create replacements for these files, what should I do with them? As I first step I think so can post a few here to get feedback from people. A second step would be to create (you or someone else more knowledgeable) a package (rpm) for Fedora and submit it to review. And if the theme is good enough, it may become the default. -- Chris Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Music and sound effects
On 19 Aug 2008, at 16:42, Chris Norman wrote: Right, I'll do that then. Cheers, and I'll be in touch in the next couple of days. Chris, just a quick note to say I think this is a really cool idea and look forward to hearing what you come up with :) Kindly, Jon ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Following a talk on IRC I wanted to show to someone *how* the Fedora logo was created so went to tha Logo wiki page for the link and then tried http://capstrat.com/development/fedora/index.php - the URL where the great slides about the logo creation were posted. Unfortunately, all I got was 404, Page not found (it used to be there a couple of months ago). Since I think that was valuable information, do we have any chance to recover those slides? (and maybe host them in the Fedora space)... -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Music and sound effects
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 16:50 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: On 19 Aug 2008, at 16:42, Chris Norman wrote: Right, I'll do that then. Cheers, and I'll be in touch in the next couple of days. Chris, just a quick note to say I think this is a really cool idea and look forward to hearing what you come up with :) Cheers mate, glad I have the interest of the comunity. Music is something I am very passionate about, and if I can use it to help the opensource comunity then all the better! :-D Take care, Kindly, Jon ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Chris Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
R: Re: R: Re: Solar theme Round 2
ok, thanks all for the patience... Now on the wiki page u really can find all, from the new image to the source file. In this version i tried to use a less brighted sun with and dedicate more space to the content of the desktop. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/f/f7/Solar_roun2_wiki_format.jpg And here u can see a lil test: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/e/e6/Screenshot.png Hope u like and agree. For any comment I'm here. Samuele - Messaggio originale - Da: Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers. fedora-art-list@redhat.com Inviato: Martedì, 19 agosto 2008 16:18:23 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: Solar theme Round 2 Samuele Storari wrote: The trouble about my source it's they are really big, about 44,5 mb cos it's a .psd file and not a svg and i've got some difficult to share them. One way to reduce the source size a bit it to open the .psd with GIMP and save it as compressed .xcf (.xcf.gz, .xcf.bz2). Other way would be to just compress the psd (zip, tgz, bz2, whatever) but even if GIMP can open psd files, we encourage the use of xcf :p -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: R: Re: R: Re: Solar theme Round 2
Hi Samuele, Samuele Storari wrote: ok, thanks all for the patience... Now on the wiki page u really can find all, from the new image to the source file. In this version i tried to use a less brighted sun with and dedicate more space to the content of the desktop. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/f/f7/Solar_roun2_wiki_format.jpg And here u can see a lil test: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/e/e6/Screenshot.png I'm getting a 404 for your source file: http://www.2s-design.it/immagini_blog/Solar_gimp_1900x1200.xcf.bz2 ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Solar theme Round 2
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 18:08 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote: ok, thanks all for the patience... Now on the wiki page u really can find all, from the new image to the source file. In this version i tried to use a less brighted sun with and dedicate more space to the content of the desktop. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/f/f7/Solar_roun2_wiki_format.jpg And here u can see a lil test: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/e/e6/Screenshot.png Hope u like and agree. For any comment I'm here. Samuele I must say I like it :) In the screenshot it looks pretty well, only the moons/planets make some icons harder to discern. I'd remove them. The rest seems fine :) Martin PS: I noticed your mail client adds R: instead of the traditional Re: to the Subject which causes the [R: and Re:]'s to pile... So I removed the unnecessary parts from the subject in this reply :-p PPS: I also noticed you use rather colloquial English and since many of the art contributors are not native English speakers it sometimes might be harder to understand what you say... Would you mind using more 'formal' language? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: R: Re: R: Re: Solar theme Round 2
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 18:08 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote: ok, thanks all for the patience... Now on the wiki page u really can find all, from the new image to the source file. In this version i tried to use a less brighted sun with and dedicate more space to the content of the desktop. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/f/f7/Solar_roun2_wiki_format.jpg And here u can see a lil test: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/e/e6/Screenshot.png Hope u like and agree. For any comment I'm here. FWIW, here's some things I noticed: * I would rather not have the other planetary bodies, since they tend to seem cluttered. * It's still quite bright in my opinion and could make work more difficult for some people. * I think the stars aren't really needed, or if so the density could be greatly reduced, again to make the picture less distracting. * If there are going to be stars at all, perhaps they should not be visible behind the solar body? Having said all that, I really do like the design. It reminds me of the recent remake of Tarkovsky's Solaris. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Solar theme Round 2
Sorry for the 404 error the file is online, i see it with the ftp, but I can't find it directly with the url too. I'll try to upload on the wiki page again. I'll comunicate when it will be ready. Samuele - Messaggio originale - Da: Paul W. Frields [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: Discussions about the artwork \included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers.\ fedora-art-list@redhat.com Inviato: Martedì, 19 agosto 2008 19:09:39 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Solar theme Round 2 On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 18:08 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote: ok, thanks all for the patience... Now on the wiki page u really can find all, from the new image to the source file. In this version i tried to use a less brighted sun with and dedicate more space to the content of the desktop. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/f/f7/Solar_roun2_wiki_format.jpg And here u can see a lil test: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/e/e6/Screenshot.png Hope u like and agree. For any comment I'm here. FWIW, here's some things I noticed: * I would rather not have the other planetary bodies, since they tend to seem cluttered. * It's still quite bright in my opinion and could make work more difficult for some people. * I think the stars aren't really needed, or if so the density could be greatly reduced, again to make the picture less distracting. * If there are going to be stars at all, perhaps they should not be visible behind the solar body? Having said all that, I really do like the design. It reminds me of the recent remake of Tarkovsky's Solaris. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Solar theme Round 2
Source online at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Solar_gimp_1900x1200.xcf.bz2 About the stars tomorrow i will modify something, trying a new version with some less star and making theyr more transparent. Samuele - Messaggio originale - Da: Samuele Storari [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers. fedora-art-list@redhat.com Inviato: Martedì, 19 agosto 2008 19:16:01 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Solar theme Round 2 Sorry for the 404 error the file is online, i see it with the ftp, but I can't find it directly with the url too. I'll try to upload on the wiki page again. I'll comunicate when it will be ready. Samuele - Messaggio originale - Da: Paul W. Frields [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: Discussions about the artwork \included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers.\ fedora-art-list@redhat.com Inviato: Martedì, 19 agosto 2008 19:09:39 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Solar theme Round 2 On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 18:08 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote: ok, thanks all for the patience... Now on the wiki page u really can find all, from the new image to the source file. In this version i tried to use a less brighted sun with and dedicate more space to the content of the desktop. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/f/f7/Solar_roun2_wiki_format.jpg And here u can see a lil test: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/e/e6/Screenshot.png Hope u like and agree. For any comment I'm here. FWIW, here's some things I noticed: * I would rather not have the other planetary bodies, since they tend to seem cluttered. * It's still quite bright in my opinion and could make work more difficult for some people. * I think the stars aren't really needed, or if so the density could be greatly reduced, again to make the picture less distracting. * If there are going to be stars at all, perhaps they should not be visible behind the solar body? Having said all that, I really do like the design. It reminds me of the recent remake of Tarkovsky's Solaris. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Neon
Here's the happiest attempt that I've made to make a theme for Neon. The idea is just a view of a street, utilizing primarily just the lower right corner and along the right side. I would love to have ideas for more details that could be added, as this still feels primitive, but I think there's a lot of potential. I also think it's a radical idea to not be using about half the area available. So far, I just have a working version for the wallpaper. Files available below: http://tw2113.fedorapeople.org/neon/Neonstreet.png http://tw2113.fedorapeople.org/neon/Neonstreet.svg -- ~Michael http://michaelbox.net ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora logo history
I access him this days e have the same problem. What happen with this website? -- Wolnei Cândido Tomazelli Junior (Charged) Brazil Fedora Ambassador Designer and TI E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #477062 ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Neon
Hey Michael, Michael Beckwith wrote: Here's the happiest attempt that I've made to make a theme for Neon. The idea is just a view of a street, utilizing primarily just the lower right corner and along the right side. I would love to have ideas for more details that could be added, as this still feels primitive, but I think there's a lot of potential. I still like the basic layout as we discussed in IRC earlier :) I was wondering, if the details were all filled in, what style of rendering would you ideally like to see this done in? For example, are you looking for a cyberpunk kinda look, with a lot of angles and metal, or are you looking for more of a grungy feel - maybe it would help to pick out an inspiration graphic that has the same feel you're looking for? BTW I saw the neon tentacles you posted on planet fpo and I think they look really neat. I might start playing with them tonight :) ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
FAS password reset mail not arriving
Hi, as per the mailed instructions I submitted a password reset by entering account mail into the FAS web portal. But I never received the mail with the URL reset. Thanks! -- Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net pgpe9mWppzHUa.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: FAS password reset mail not arriving
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Axel Thimm wrote: Hi, as per the mailed instructions I submitted a password reset by entering account mail into the FAS web portal. But I never received the mail with the URL reset. Thanks! -- ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list hi, it takes time... mine took almost an hour .. as far as i know, there are lots of requests queued up. so be patient. regards, amit. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiqhb4ACgkQisV6fTFpwA3DJQCgpgV0/aIk5u1RYpBA90pq788+ nLAAmwe5LbX2xzKNPcOgMok9CDj0yr0k =rzze -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: FAS password reset mail not arriving
Axel Thimm wrote: as per the mailed instructions I submitted a password reset by entering account mail into the FAS web portal. But I never received the mail with the URL reset. Speaking of password reset, the other day I logged into FAS and was informed by the application about a password reset request, received the mail, followed the link and changed my password. Only to find today in my inbox the (mass) email informing me that I need to reset my password or else in 15 days my account will be deleted. This is confusing, as my password was just reset so I took the assumption that it was just a mass message, not one sent only to those that did not reset their passwords. But anyway, just for my peace of mind, logged into FAS and saw it not complained like the other day about my password. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: FAS password reset mail not arriving
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 11:29 +0300, Axel Thimm wrote: Hi, as per the mailed instructions I submitted a password reset by entering account mail into the FAS web portal. But I never received the mail with the URL reset. I just noted this in the topic of #fedora-admin. Due to having thousands of accounts in FAS we have to be careful that we don't flood the pipes too much. As a result our mail queue is VERY full at the moment, and password reset e-mails are getting tacked onto the end. You will get your password reset e-mail, I assure you (I see plenty of them in the queue), if you get multiple, only the last reset e-mail will work. We really apologize for this, but there is a fine art in getting e-mail servers sending at the right pace, and we don't want Google etc to start thinking we only exist to spam people. - Nigel -- Nigel Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: FAS password reset mail not arriving
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008, Nigel Jones wrote: Good point, but yeah, not really that good to flood the pipes. Yeah, this was by far the most email we've sent at a single time. we've got over 11,000 accounts in FAS now. Sounds like we need to look at our smtp setup. Verify for sure how many emails we can send at a time. Then make sure our mass mailing scripts can do that. Also, the the host that our smtp server is on is... very busy right now, db servers ,app servers, etc are all on there while we're getting stuff back online :) Even with all that stuff going on I'm amazed at how responsive everything is and how low the load generally is. -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
[Fedora-legal-list] Packaging DansGuardian
Hello, The upstream Dansguardian website says Before downloading, please read the copyright for DansGuardian 2. DansGuardian is not free to download from this website for commercial use. However, the software itself is GPL-ed (as per the LICENSE file in the source tarball). Will there be any issue if it is packaged for and distributed with Fedora ? There's an open review request at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=458643 Thanks, Sayamindu -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] ___ Fedora-legal-list mailing list Fedora-legal-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legal-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Ric Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 18:37 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:43 PM, linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its now 2 weeks past the end of July, when we were told KDE 4.1 would ship. It has. I've been stuck with this crappy, half working KDE 4.0 interface for 6 weeks. You could say I'm a bit miffed. Sucks for you. Say whatever you want about Fedora being bleeding edge, etc, but this is by far the worst release Fedora and Redhat has ever done. What does RedHat have to do with this? As far as I am concerned, the KDE team has knocked the credibility of Linux, Fedora and the KDE team itself way, way back. Interesting opinion, I can't say I understand it. I'd argue you have done more damage. I'm willing to put together a few points if you're interested. I am very disappointed with the current state of the Linux desktop as demonstrated in F9. Gnome actually is pretty nice, not that I would use it full time... or by Linux desktop did you mean the K Desktop environment? The people that allowed KDE4.0 to ship in F9 showed a huge lapse in judgment. How so? I think they underestimated how many freeloaders would bitch about not having what they want when they want it. You STILL labeling people again?? Yes, why do you ask? -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Bluetooth headset with fedora 9
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 21:24 +0530, Steve Repo wrote: Hello all, I have fedora 9 x86_64 install with all updates up-to-date. Why are you re-posting this? You sent an apparently identical message yesterday. Hmm .. it's obvious the first one didnt make it even after 24 hrs while my responses to other posts were immediate. Since I enrolled to the list just to solve my bluetooth problem and didn't see my very first post to the list I thought I did something wrong and hence the second one. Apologies to everyone esp. to Patrick. Steve -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Infrastructure status, 2008-08-16 UTC 1530
On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 14:19 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Ralf Corsepius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe you should have waited? ;o) Yes, he likely better should have. I said I was going to wait to facilitate a discussion, but I see no reason to wait on telling people I plan to have one. +1 If people are talking about whether or not fedora-announce-list is adequate as a mechanism for communication, It may have to be a multi-faceted approach, get the info out to wide a base as possible. 1: Cross-Post to all lists If sites are up 2: http://fedoraproject.org/index.html should be a link to info 3: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate (everything here, a BOLD PROMINENT link if it's not a list) 4: More pertinent info (a) Are users machines already suspect? (b) as end-user possible tasks\fixes to be done f8\9? (c) yum update gives: STOP There's a problem please check list\site (if actually possible) then I want people to be aware that I am interested in hearing well reasoned opinions concerning what a better mechanism would be. More than that, I'm interested in talking to someone who is willing to help put that better mechanism in place if we reach a concencous opinion as to what the mechanism is. I'm not a programmer\coder so can just throw in my 2c as an end-user. -jef Frank -- gpg id EB547226 Revoked Forgot Password :( Skype: Frankly3D signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: [F9] radeon dual-head display w/Xinerama
Am Montag, den 18.08.2008, 19:27 -0700 schrieb Sean Bruno: Thanks for the insight. I came up with the following xorg.conf that allows me to run dual screens again! Thanks for the info about your xorg.conf. Large parts are equal to the configuration I found. Could you provide some information about the effect of the option 'screen 0 ' in the device section? Peter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Bluetooth headset in Fedora 9
2008/8/18 Kevin Fenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:12:34 +0530 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Repo) wrote: I have fedora 9 x86_64 install with all updates up-to-date. I have Belkin USB dongle that works with my Motorola Phone (I can browse my phone over bluetooth) I bought a Jabra 125 bluetooth headset that workswith my Motorola Phone. I want to use this headset with fedora for making calls via ekiga. I have no clue how to get this going. I found a sad link here, http://fedorasolved.org/post-install-solutions/bluetooth-headset-config That link is out of date/no longer the way to do things. ;) Instead take a look at: http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/AudioDevices Basically you should just need to populate your ~/.asoundrc with your headsets bluetooth address and it should work. Sadly, here I get the sco packet for unknown connection error, which is apparently a kernel issue with encrypted/non encrypted connections. ;( Hope that helps, and please let us know how it goes. I created a .asoundrc file and was successful in pairing my headset, However nothing else is working. This is on mplayer snip [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_bluetooth.c:1505:(audioservice_recv) Error receiving data from audio service: Success(0) [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_bluetooth.c:1521:(audioservice_expect) Bogus message BT_SETCONFIGURATION_REQ received while BT_SETCONFIGURATION_RSP was expected [AO_ALSA] Unable to set hw-parameters: Invalid argument Could not open/initialize audio device - no sound. Audio: no sound /snip I found another post on getting the headset to work. It might help you. http://fedoraforum.org/forum/printthread.php?t=190468 I get even though pulseaudio service is running, Connection failure: Connection refused Connection failure: Connection refused when running, pactl load-module module-alsa-sink device=bluetooth pactl load-module module-alsa-source device=bluetooth This whole fedora implemetation seem to be a big mess of infinite dependencies and broken things. Who whould no pulseaudio volume control is not part of pulse audio and not installed by default? Google is your friend for everything. Anyway, I'm out. I'll try this only if there is something promising or a fedora developer who knows this stuff is willing to help to get this going. Steve -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: ATI drivers - when?
2008/8/18 David Hláčik [EMAIL PROTECTED] What graphics card do you have? If you have R300/R500 graphics card, compiz runs very well. If you have an R600 graphics card you may need a newer RadeonHD driver than what is distributed by fedora. I have Radeon HD2400 (mobile on my Asus F3Sr) Based on your info i have discovered xorg-x11-drv-radeonhd-1.2.1-1.1.20080429git.fc9.i386 pakage for Fedora 9 in updates repo which i have tried. But so far functionality is same for me as radeon driver . There should be a newer radeonhd driver in updates-testing I think. Thanks, you were right there is : (II) RADEONHD: version 1.2.1, built from dist of git branch master, commit 31e46386 Fedora package xorg-x11-drv-radeonhd-1.2.1-3.7.20080724git.fc9 But unfortunatelly this does not works also :( , Should it work for my Radeon card? (HD2400) With the driver from updates testing it should, I dont have the card to guarantee it will work. Make sure you have installed all mesa updates. Also, did you enable radeonhd instead of radeon in your xorg.conf file? Steve -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Infrastructure status, 2008-08-19 UTC 0200
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 02:07 +, Paul W. Frields wrote: ** New SSH fingerprint for Fedora Hosted: e6:b3:68:51:98:2d:4c:dc:63:27:46:65:51:d5:f0:7a Is it just me, or do others also think that a public email (even a signed one) would be almost the worst place to trust a fingerprint announcement? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.14-108.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Infrastructure status, 2008-08-19 UTC 0200
Tim wrote: Is it just me, or do others also think that a public email (even a signed one) would be almost the worst place to trust a fingerprint announcement? If the mail is correctly signed then it's OK. -- BÉRES László RHCE, RHCX senior IT engineer, trainer Red Hat, Fedora, CentOS, SELinux: http://sys-admin.hu -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F8(1) vs multimedia production(0)
On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 23:56 -0400, Ric Moore wrote: I installed CentOS which is as close to FC6 as you can get, I have all of my applications, my multimedia working, KDE 3.5.4, and even Xvfb works like a charm. Imagine that! Now I don't even CARE that it never works with Fedora. No more gripes! I'm just curious which you're using for your other pet project (the rehab thing you've been developing). Because it strikes me that you'd want a longer term base for any project that you're going to have other people make use of. I've had a bit of a dabble with CentOS, but mostly for server reasons. I have to get around to moving our mail server over from Fedora Core 4 to CentOS, but the process has been complicated by wanting to move the IMAP server from using mbox files to maildir, at the same time, and without playing drag-n-drop games through a mail client. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.14-108.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Infrastructure status, 2008-08-16 UTC 1530
On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 10:15 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: Is the annouce list the best thing we can do? Well, those who *want* to know these things, can join an announce list (like I did, ages ago). Those who don't want to know can avoid the information overload, and not join. Lumping all communication together makes it harder for those who want less info. There will be plenty that won't join mailing lists, because they're not interested in them, at all. But might expect to see a notice somewhere, if they've been trying to update a system for several days, and nothing is happening. Service status notices on the main website usually take care of those people. But if there is one for Fedora, I didn't notice it. I think the main website does fairly well in letting people know how they can find out information (IRC, join a mailing list, etc.), so I don't think it's too hard to find general information out. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.14-108.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: fedora-list Digest, Vol 54, Issue 142
Hi Thanks for the reply. If oudn it intresting that when I used the command export http_proxy with correct syntax in cli it does not work for some reason. However when added the it to the /etc/profile document it works perfectly fine. Thanks Leon -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:50:18 +0200 From: Ramprasad Rajendran [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Proxy Settings To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, 2008/8/18 Leon Vergottini [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi I ahve tried adding the the proxy settings in the yum.conf file as per certain forums. I have tried the export http_proxy option. Still none is working. Does the proxy require authentication? If authentication is required you'll have to use something like export http_proxy=http://username:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:port export ftp_proxy=http://username:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:port -- ram -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Bluetooth headset in Fedora 9
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 13:18 +0530, Steve Repo wrote: Who whould no pulseaudio volume control is not part of pulse audio and not installed by default? On the two systems I've installed Fedora 9 onto, they had it installed by default. By the way, try and turn off the HTML posting to the mailing list. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.14-108.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Infrastructure status, 2008-08-19 UTC 0200
Tim: Is it just me, or do others also think that a public email (even a signed one) would be almost the worst place to trust a fingerprint announcement? Laszlo BERES: If the mail is correctly signed then it's OK. A message being correctly signed isn't quite the same thing as being able to verify that it's been produced by the person in question. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.14-108.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: ATI drivers - when?
With the driver from updates testing it should, I dont have the card to guarantee it will work. Make sure you have installed all mesa updates. Also, did you enable radeonhd instead of radeon in your xorg.conf file? Steve Yes Steve, i did enabled radeonhd, it will load sucessfully (according to Xorg log), but Compiz does not work - white screen with nothing. Thanks, David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Infrastructure status, 2008-08-16 UTC 1530
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 18:04 +0930, Tim wrote: On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 10:15 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: Is the annouce list the best thing we can do? Well, those who *want* to know these things, Wanting to know isn't the problem. Communicating the appropriate pieces of information to the appropriate audiences in appropriate time is the problem. E.g. ordinary users do not need to know if e.g. the buildsystem is down, however they would have to know about which precautions to take to protect their systems in case malicious/compromised packages should have hit the repos and need to be informed when the danger is over. For such cases, sending emails to an announce list hardly is an appropriate means, because one can't expect ordinary users to be subscribed. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora 9
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 03:49:16PM -0700, Don Killen wrote: Hello list, I am hoping to find someone whom may be able to help. I have been using fedora or red hat for many years. I have bought five toshiba laptops in as many years and have never had a proble loading it. I recently bought a A305-S68641 with 4g ram and 320 drive, core2 duo 2.26. Fedora will not load. It gets to where it is inialtizing hardware and dumps, with a list of the hardware. I called toshiba and they told me the product is so new that fedora 9 just does not include the drivers. Whatcha think? dk -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Hi, Have u tried to disable all additional stuff like ethernet, audio, ? Greets -- Patrick Kaiser URL: http://argonius.de EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RIPE: PK3264-RIPE -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Bluetooth headset in Fedora 9
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 13:18 +0530, Steve Repo wrote: Who whould no pulseaudio volume control is not part of pulse audio and not installed by default? On the two systems I've installed Fedora 9 onto, they had it installed by default. It wasn't on mine and it says so here, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureVolumeControl By the way, try and turn off the HTML posting to the mailing list. I'm using gmail and I don't see a setting here for text only however my encoding is set to use text only. Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. I hit reply and ensured it was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not sure what happened here but I'll keep that in mind. Thanks! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: cups start problem
On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 15:52 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
When I restart cups the stop goes well but the start takes a very long
time placing in the cups error.log the lines below. This happened after
I installed a new hplip file. Clearly something is wrong with the
laoding of something that is not loading fast enough.
What version of cups are you using (rpm -q cups), and what new hplip
file did you install?
It would be useful if you could file a bugzilla report about this,
including that error_log snippet.
Could you please turn on debug logging ('cupsctl --debug-logging' as
root) and run 'service cups restartlog' (which stops cupsd, clears out
the error_log file, and starts cupsd again), then attach the resulting
error_log to the bug report? That would be great.
Tim.
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Re: Infrastructure status, 2008-08-16 UTC 1530
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Ralf Corsepius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 18:04 +0930, Tim wrote: On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 10:15 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: Is the annouce list the best thing we can do? Well, those who *want* to know these things, Wanting to know isn't the problem. Communicating the appropriate pieces of information to the appropriate audiences in appropriate time is the problem. E.g. ordinary users do not need to know if e.g. the buildsystem is down, however they would have to know about which precautions to take to protect their systems in case malicious/compromised packages should have hit the repos and need to be informed when the danger is over. For such cases, sending emails to an announce list hardly is an appropriate means, because one can't expect ordinary users to be subscribed. You cannot expect a non-tech enduser to be even aware such lists exist. I'd expect tech-savvy and administrators to subscribe to such lists. A message such as There has been a problem with update service. Click here for detailed information (link to the website with the notice) when yum update is performed is appropriate, Steve -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Googlesmithing for beginnners
Dave Burns skrev: On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Frode Petersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Burns skrev: Does anyone know a really handy way to search the archives? Googling by hand with site:https://www.redhat.com/archives as one of the terms will do it, but awkwardly. You can use quick searches in firefox. You could use that if there was a search box somewhere on https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/, but there's not. I was thinking of a bookmark like this: keyword: rha url: http://www.google.com/search?q=%s%20site%3Aredhat.com/archives Trying it with 'rha goldsmithing', though, I couldn't find this thread... Still, the OP's ati example gave a lot of hits. Wonder why. Maybe there's more to this than I first thougt.. :-) FP I was considering making a google custom search page so that quick searches would work. Since I like using the search engine menu even better, the mycroft thing is tempting. Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
X keeps reloading and doesn't show a display - please HELP
Hi I've just installed Fedora 9 on my box, initally I got a standard display on my LG monitor after that I swapped it for an NEC and then ammened the monitor setup with system-config-display. However, now I don't get a display X keeps restarting, at least that's what I think, as the monitor power light keeps going from green to orange but I don't see a display. Is there any way to reset the xorg.conf file to it's original state? Thanks Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
How to use themes in Gnome
Hi guys, I have install murrine gtk2 engine (http://murrine.cimitan.com/) from official fedora repo (gtk-murrine-engine-0.53.1-2.fc9.i386) . It installed some themes to /usr/share/themes . But unfortunatelly i really do not know how to use those themes. Where can i turn them on ? I found this tutorial for Ubuntu ( http://www.linuxmonitor.net/blog/2007/03/ubuntu-customization-guide-part-i.html) . I do not want to use compiz, but they are calling gnome-art to configure themes artwork. There is no such think in Fedora 9 . Thanks in advance! D. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: ATI drivers - when?
2008/8/19 David Hláčik [EMAIL PROTECTED] With the driver from updates testing it should, I dont have the card to guarantee it will work. Make sure you have installed all mesa updates. Also, did you enable radeonhd instead of radeon in your xorg.conf file? Steve Yes Steve, i did enabled radeonhd, it will load sucessfully (according to Xorg log), but Compiz does not work - white screen with nothing. It's hard to tell without the card. ATI binary driver should be release before the end of this month. Steve -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: X keeps reloading and doesn't show a display - please HELP
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Dan Track [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I've just installed Fedora 9 on my box, initally I got a standard display on my LG monitor after that I swapped it for an NEC and then ammened the monitor setup with system-config-display. However, now I don't get a display X keeps restarting, at least that's what I think, as the monitor power light keeps going from green to orange but I don't see a display. Is there any way to reset the xorg.conf file to it's original state? Delete the xorg.conf and re-run system-config-display Steve -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Bluetooth headset in Fedora 9
Tim: By the way, try and turn off the HTML posting to the mailing list. Steve Repo: I'm using gmail and I don't see a setting here for text only however my encoding is set to use text only. It's still sending as HTML plus plain text (as before). I don't use Gmail, so I can't offer specific instructions about how to configure it, but some mail clients call such mail rich text, and a quick look at the Gmail help seems to use the same term, suggesting that you might need to look for an option like that. If you can't find the option in your Gmail settings, or their help guides, I'm sure someone else using it on here can tell you exactly where the option is hidden. Don't send private replies to my address... I hit reply and ensured it was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not sure what happened here but I'll keep that in mind. Nah, you're fine. That's in my signature to all mail on this list, to let people know not to try privately e-mailing me, it won't work. They can post, but I'll never see it. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.14-108.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How to use themes in Gnome
gnome-menu - system - preferences - look and feel - appearance On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 12:02 +0200, David Hláčik wrote: I have install murrine gtk2 engine (http://murrine.cimitan.com/) from official fedora repo (gtk-murrine-engine-0.53.1-2.fc9.i386) . It installed some themes to /usr/share/themes . But unfortunatelly i really do not know how to use those themes. Where can i turn them on ? I found this tutorial for Ubuntu (http://www.linuxmonitor.net/blog/2007/03/ubuntu-customization-guide-part-i.html) . I do not want to use compiz, but they are calling gnome-art to configure themes artwork. There is no such think in Fedora 9 . -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How to use themes in Gnome
Well i do not see there any of murrine theme , thats why i am asking ... . What are requirements for having them here? Thanks! D. On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Vassilios Kotoulas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gnome-menu - system - preferences - look and feel - appearance On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 12:02 +0200, David Hláčik wrote: I have install murrine gtk2 engine (http://murrine.cimitan.com/) from official fedora repo (gtk-murrine-engine-0.53.1-2.fc9.i386) . It installed some themes to /usr/share/themes . But unfortunatelly i really do not know how to use those themes. Where can i turn them on ? I found this tutorial for Ubuntu ( http://www.linuxmonitor.net/blog/2007/03/ubuntu-customization-guide-part-i.html) . I do not want to use compiz, but they are calling gnome-art to configure themes artwork. There is no such think in Fedora 9 . -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Infrastructure status, 2008-08-16 UTC 1530
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 18:04 +0930, Tim wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.14-108.fc9.i686 this is exactly what i didn't install because of the announce -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How to use themes in Gnome
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 12:45 +0200, Vassilios Kotoulas wrote: gnome-menu - system - preferences - look and feel - appearance On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 12:02 +0200, David Hláčik wrote: I have install murrine gtk2 engine (http://murrine.cimitan.com/) from official fedora repo (gtk-murrine-engine-0.53.1-2.fc9.i386) . It installed some themes to /usr/share/themes . But unfortunatelly i really do not know how to use those themes. Where can i turn them on ? I found this tutorial for Ubuntu (http://www.linuxmonitor.net/blog/2007/03/ubuntu-customization-guide-part-i.html) . I do not want to use compiz, but they are calling gnome-art to configure themes artwork. There is no such think in Fedora 9 . upps ... please excuse my top posting -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: X keeps reloading and doesn't show a display - please HELP
Hi I've just tried that but I still can't get a display when I run the system-config-display, the monitor just flickers between teh on and off state, is there any other way of resetting it becuase I'm not sure where it's getting it's config from now that I've deleted it. Thanks Dan 2008/8/19 Steve Repo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Dan Track [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I've just installed Fedora 9 on my box, initally I got a standard display on my LG monitor after that I swapped it for an NEC and then ammened the monitor setup with system-config-display. However, now I don't get a display X keeps restarting, at least that's what I think, as the monitor power light keeps going from green to orange but I don't see a display. Is there any way to reset the xorg.conf file to it's original state? Delete the xorg.conf and re-run system-config-display Steve -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: configuration for gdmgreeter
michael wrote: I've tried and tried but failed and failed to determine where the setting is for the delay post wrong user/pass at the gdmgreeter screen. It current seems about 90 secs which is a bit too long Unless you've changed something those timeouts sound very long. Our systems allow a retry after about 5 seconds or so. If you're seeing the same effect for both console and ssh then it's not going to be a gdm setting but rather something related to pam. The normal place to configure this is in /etc/login.defs where you can specify something like: LOGIN_TIMEOUT 20 .. but this isn't set by default in fedora. You can also get the same effect by modifying files in /etc/pam.d using the pam_tally module. Again this is also not set by default in fedora. Another possibility is that you have a misconfigured /etc/nsswitch.conf file, such that logins which fail to authenticate against /etc/passwd are trying to contact an unavailable nis or ldap server. If you're only using local authentication then your nsswitch file for logins should read: passwd: files shadow: files group: files .. if you have anything in addition to files try removing it and seeing if your retry times fall considerably. Hope this helps Simon. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Infrastructure status, 2008-08-16 UTC 1530
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 18:04 +0930, Tim wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.14-108.fc9.i686 this is exactly what i didn't install because of the announce -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list i have the same kernel installed, and now i am in deepest darkness about my system, if it is corrupt or not... also, the repos have been closed after the update... Roger -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How to use themes in Gnome
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 12:48 +0200, David Hláčik wrote: Well i do not see there any of murrine theme , thats why i am asking ... . What are requirements for having them here? hmm ... the themes I can use are in /usr/share/themes or in ~/.themes I had a look into the murrine package. there are some themes and one library. maybe the murrine themes can only run with this library. maybe you need to restart gnome to activate the library -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Where is system-config-selinux gone?
Hi, I tried to use the selinux manager under f9 for the first time and did not find it in the menus. Propably it had been removed in fedora 9, though /usr/bin/system-config-selinux was there. When I run it it states Fehler beim finden des ausgewählten Programms (Error finding selected program) Strange. I reinstalled policycoreutils-gui-2.0.52-5.fc9.i386 and still the manager does not work giving the same answer as above. Ok guys, who has my system-config-selinux? I want it back! regards Christoph signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Infrastructure status, 2008-08-19 UTC 0200
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 06:10:50PM +0930, Tim wrote: Is it just me, or do others also think that a public email (even a signed one) would be almost the worst place to trust a fingerprint announcement? Laszlo BERES: If the mail is correctly signed then it's OK. A message being correctly signed isn't quite the same thing as being able to verify that it's been produced by the person in question. If it's widely distributed and seen as okay by multiple people who can verify it directly, it's perfectly fine. After all, it's *meant* to be public information. -- Matthew Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mattdm.org/ Boston University Linux -- http://linux.bu.edu/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
KDE 4.1 task bar.
Well I've asked on a couple of other lists, but no luck so I'm hoping someone here knows the answer. I just moved to KDE4 and I want to get the default KDE3.5 task bar behaviour back. In other words I don't want listed on my taskbar every item that's open unless it's open on the desktop I'm currently on. If I move an item to another desktop I want that task bar item to only display on that desktop when I click to it. Anyone know how? -- Libenter homines id quod volunt credunt -- Caius Julius Caesar Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is system-config-selinux gone?
Hi, system-config-selinux is just a link to consolehelper. Try to (re)install usermode-1.96.1-1.i386. 2008/8/19 Christoph Höger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I tried to use the selinux manager under f9 for the first time and did not find it in the menus. Propably it had been removed in fedora 9, though /usr/bin/system-config-selinux was there. When I run it it states Fehler beim finden des ausgewählten Programms (Error finding selected program) Strange. I reinstalled policycoreutils-gui-2.0.52-5.fc9.i386 and still the manager does not work giving the same answer as above. Ok guys, who has my system-config-selinux? I want it back! regards Christoph -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: KDE 4.1 task bar.
On Tuesday 19 August 2008 07:45:57 am Mark Haney wrote: Well I've asked on a couple of other lists, but no luck so I'm hoping someone here knows the answer. I just moved to KDE4 and I want to get the default KDE3.5 task bar behaviour back. In other words I don't want listed on my taskbar every item that's open unless it's open on the desktop I'm currently on. If I move an item to another desktop I want that task bar item to only display on that desktop when I click to it. Anyone know how? -- Libenter homines id quod volunt credunt -- Caius Julius Caesar Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support Right click on taskbar -- task manager settings -- then check show only tasks from current desktop. Steven signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How to use themes in Gnome
Looking inside themes, there is only folder gtk2.0 and inside gtkrc , is there something wrong with package?? Thanks! D. On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 2:05 PM, David Hláčik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmm ... the themes I can use are in /usr/share/themes or in ~/.themes I had a look into the murrine package. there are some themes and one library. maybe the murrine themes can only run with this library. maybe you need to restart gnome to activate the library Well strange for me, but restart did not helped. Unfortunatelly this packages is not well documented , i am not able to find where to look for problem. Looking inside , it only provides one library and themes thats right. Regards, D. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: cant pair blue tooth phone to redhat fedora 8 blue tooth stack
2008/8/19 lostson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 14:47 -0400, Ralph Blach wrote: I have a Nokia 6555 with bluetooth. When I bring up bluetooth on my x86_64 linux machine, they both can detect each other, but I cannot get them to pair. What is the magic to getting pin from my phone to the bluetooth stack. the passkey agent seems to be running, but I dont know what the passkey is? Thanks Chip When pairing my phone if i used the code it worked, i read that in my manual. I am not sure why but that code worked both with my phone and my wife's blackberry. -- All bluetooth headsets are pre-programmed with code since there is no proper input mechanism for the headsets. Stsve -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Infrastructure status, 2008-08-19 UTC 0200
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 18:10 +0930, Tim wrote: Tim: Is it just me, or do others also think that a public email (even a signed one) would be almost the worst place to trust a fingerprint announcement? Laszlo BERES: If the mail is correctly signed then it's OK. A message being correctly signed isn't quite the same thing as being able to verify that it's been produced by the person in question. Signatures tell you that whoever produced them has the private key, the rest is assumption. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: DNS poison? Yum tummy ache?
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 01:19 +, g wrote: Timeo danaos et dona ferentes :-) sorry. i do not speak latin, or so that it appears. I fear the Greeks even when bearing gifts (Virgil). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeo_Danaos_et_dona_ferentes poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Bluetooth headset with fedora 9
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 11:50 +0530, Steve Repo wrote: On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 21:24 +0530, Steve Repo wrote: Hello all, I have fedora 9 x86_64 install with all updates up-to-date. Why are you re-posting this? You sent an apparently identical message yesterday. Hmm .. it's obvious the first one didnt make it even after 24 hrs while my responses to other posts were immediate. Not so. I saw it and presumably others did too. If you aren't sure a post has made it to the list, check the archives at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/ before repeating it. The lack of replies has any number of explanations and problems with sending to the list are fairly low on the scale of probability, especially if you don't get an error bounce. Since I enrolled to the list just to solve my bluetooth problem and didn't see my very first post to the list I thought I did something wrong and hence the second one. Note that some mail clients will not show you your own posts unless you make special arrangements. You can also configure your own list subscription to not send you your own posts. Apologies to everyone esp. to Patrick. No problem. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: KDE 4.1 task bar.
Steven M. Parrish wrote: Right click on taskbar -- task manager settings -- then check show only tasks from current desktop. Steven Crap. Somehow I knew it was that easy. But I just couldn't find it. I love the interface, now I just have to customize it to my liking. -- Libenter homines id quod volunt credunt -- Caius Julius Caesar Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: X keeps reloading and doesn't show a display - please HELP
2008/8/19 Steve Repo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Dan Track [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I've just tried that but I still can't get a display when I run the system-config-display, the monitor just flickers between teh on and off state, is there any other way of resetting it becuase I'm not sure where it's getting it's config from now that I've deleted it. system-config-display maybe trying a new configuration. Can you post your xorg.conf? What video card do you have? Steve Hi I think I just figured out the problem, its the mga driver for my dual head matrox 550 card. I see there's some sort of issue with fedora 9 and the matrox driver. Is there a solution for this that you are aware of? If I chage the driver to vesa it works fine although I can't get a resolution of 1280x1024, is there another driver I can use? Thanks Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How to use themes in Gnome
Hi guys, i found it! It needs to be changed in Apperace Preferences , than you need to click on theme and press Customize. Here under Controls will you find it. Regards, David 2008/8/19 David Hláčik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking inside themes, there is only folder gtk2.0 and inside gtkrc , is there something wrong with package?? Thanks! D. On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 2:05 PM, David Hláčik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmm ... the themes I can use are in /usr/share/themes or in ~/.themes I had a look into the murrine package. there are some themes and one library. maybe the murrine themes can only run with this library. maybe you need to restart gnome to activate the library Well strange for me, but restart did not helped. Unfortunatelly this packages is not well documented , i am not able to find where to look for problem. Looking inside , it only provides one library and themes thats right. Regards, D. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Googlesmithing for beginnners
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dave Burns wrote: snip Does anyone know a really handy way to search the archives? Googling by hand with site:https://www.redhat.com/archives as one of the terms will do it, but awkwardly. not sure 'which' google page you use, or how you are adding site, but if you use; http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=enoutput=linuxrestrict=linux you can restrict your search to *linux* and *english*. by using this advanced link, under 'need more tools?', you have another option of 'search within a site or domain'. plus, you have a 'date,usage rights,numeric range, and more' option. in addition usage of ' AND ' and ' OR ' will give you 'boolean logic' for you search. '', will also give logic AND. have never tried ' NOR '. also, note in upper right of advanced page, 'advanced search tips'. drilling thru this page will give you more info to improve your search. hth. - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIqsZF+C4Bj9Rkw/wRAllvAKCr9IJ0IHDnSiIR/tI7PmSnR3XY8ACeO990 hMgjlcqbuGQ8IoD6cJShZh0= =C4AO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Infrastructure status, 2008-08-16 UTC 1530
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:42:54 +0930 Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The original notice was woeful, and nothing has been done to properly clarify the situation, since. Other than the possible hint that the repos started working again (I hope everything is OK, because I been updating :-). -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: X keeps reloading and doesn't show a display - please HELP
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Dan Track [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/8/19 Steve Repo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Dan Track [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I've just tried that but I still can't get a display when I run the system-config-display, the monitor just flickers between teh on and off state, is there any other way of resetting it becuase I'm not sure where it's getting it's config from now that I've deleted it. system-config-display maybe trying a new configuration. Can you post your xorg.conf? What video card do you have? Steve Hi I think I just figured out the problem, its the mga driver for my dual head matrox 550 card. I see there's some sort of issue with fedora 9 and the matrox driver. Is there a solution for this that you are aware of? If I chage the driver to vesa it works fine although I can't get a resolution of 1280x1024, is there another driver I can use? A quick google search revealed this, http://forum.tuxx-home.at/viewtopic.php?f=1t=520 Steve -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Infrastructure status, 2008-08-19 UTC 0200
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 07:45:29AM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Signatures tell you that whoever produced them has the private key, the rest is assumption. Same with the host key, really. -- Matthew Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mattdm.org/ Boston University Linux -- http://linux.bu.edu/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Infrastructure status, 2008-08-16 UTC 1530
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:42:54 +0930 Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The original notice was woeful, and nothing has been done to properly clarify the situation, since. Other than the possible hint that the repos started working again (I hope everything is OK, because I been updating :-). -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list ...would be great, if we hear something from the infrastructure people... see here: http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1725 Roger -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
virtualGL server
I'm using fedora 9, 64-bit edition. I'm running KDE 4, shipping with the fedora 9 installation DVD. I'm trying to install virtualGL 2.1, according to this link http://www.virtualgl.org/vgldoc/2_1final. Everythings goes well till I get to section 6.2 Granting Access to the Server’s X Display at http://www.virtualgl.org/vgldoc/2_1final/#hd006002, and specifically the Sanity Check part. The first command in this part reads Code: xauth merge /etc/opt/VirtualGL/vgl_xauth_key When I try to run this command, an error messages indicates that the file doesn't exist. I tracked the problem a little and found that during the configuration, the file /etc/gdm/Init/Default was patched by adding the command vglgenkey at its beginning. Since this file is executed every time gdm is launched, this command should be run as well. However this command is run without any effect. I tried to run this command manually at the command line, and found that one line in its script, namely the line using xauth doesn't have any effect as it tries to create the file /etc/opt/VirtualGL/vgl_xauth_key. I don't know why xauth refuses to generate that file as instructed in the vglgenkey script. Did anyone manage to install virtualGL in feodra(9) and completed this step? Appreciating any help or suggestions! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Googlesmithing for beginnners
On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 14:53 -1000, Dave Burns wrote: On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Frode Petersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Burns skrev: Does anyone know a really handy way to search the archives? Googling by hand with site:https://www.redhat.com/archives as one of the terms will do it, but awkwardly. You can use quick searches in firefox. You could use that if there was a search box somewhere on https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/, but there's not. I was considering making a google custom search page so that quick searches would work. Since I like using the search engine menu even better, the mycroft thing is tempting. Dave http://marc.info/?l=fedora-listr=1w=2 will allow you to search the fedora-list. -- === Higher education helps your earning capacity. Ask any college professor. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How to search the Fedora List
A nicer search interface to fedora-list as well as many other publicly available mailing lists is available through MarkMail. http://markmail.org/ http://markmail.org/search/?q=list%3Afedora-list Obligatory disclaimer - I work for MarkLogic. Wayne. On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 09:41 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: Searching the Fedora List came up in another thread. I thought this important enough information to have a thread of its own. See web link below: http://marc.info/?l=fedora-listr=1w=2 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 EeePC add/remove trouble
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 16:31 +, Beartooth wrote: When I clidk on the add/remove software launcher in the panel, I get a window way bigger than my screen -- so big that even moving it around enough to click where I need takes fancy tricks. Trying to unmaximize is no help. Do I need to run system-config-display?? Other windows behave ... system-config-display is for configuring the display (duh ...). It's not going to help make a specific window any smaller. This may be fixable through your desktop configuration controls, but you don't say which dekstop you're using. poc On the EEEpc you have to hold down thealt key and click and hold on window and move to get to bottom of Window. The problem is because of the low resolution 600x800 the E is capable to run , in other words you can't set resolution any higher. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Removing and re-installing gconf gconf-editor ??
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:49:33 -0400 William Case [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If yum had a way to remove an app while leaving the dependencies intact rpm -e --nodeps packagename or a way to do a 'dry run' I wouldn't be asking for advice. yum whatever does its checking and then prints a list of what it's going to do. It then asks you if it should proceed. If you say N then you have just done a 'dry run'. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Removing and re-installing gconf gconf-editor ??
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 12:49 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi; I just freshly re-installed Fedora 9. Problem: Many of my gnome applets and desktop are still not working as they should. gconf gconf-editor is not giving me the same keys in 'root' as in 'user' for common applications because (I think) gconf in 'user' is being over ridden by the '/home/user/.gconf' in the /home partition that I preserved on the new install. Naturally. That's exactly what you would expect. The root and user Gconf data are entirely independant of each other (because they are two different users). I used the 'root account ' as a comparison because its .gconf was removed and re-written by gconf on installation. gconf-cleaner in 'user' finds more and more keys to change or remove each time I run it in whichever 'user account ' ( I have three on my machine.) [...] Unless someone has a better solution, I was thinking of 'yum remove gconf gconf-editor' and deleting all my user's .gconf dir/files. Then re-installing gconf and gconf-editor. Deleting ~/.gconf (and ~/.gconf2) may fix your problems, although instead of deleting them I'd move them to one side just in case. Removing and reinstalling gconf and gconf-editor is completely pointless and will undoubtedly cause a cascade of dependant package removals. However, that means I lose all my configurations for all my apps; and, gconf-editor has a lot of dependencies. If yum had a way to remove an app while leaving the dependencies intact or a way to do a 'dry run' I wouldn't be asking for advice. It automatically does a dry run, since it asks you to confirm before proceeding. I have read through man yum-utils etc and see nothing useful there. I am not sure rpm -evv --nodeps -- test would be any better. Almost guaranteed to cause problems. Using --nodeps is an action of last resort, when there's something seriously wrong with a package installation or a spec file. Given that you have just reinstalled your entire system, there's no reason to suspect anything is wrong with your package set or any of its components. * If anyone has a better idea of where the problems might lie or how to fix them please let me know. * The thing that bothers me about my solution is that gconf should have installed in the first place accommodating my preexisting ~/.gconf. As far as I can tell, I have not touched or been messing about with anything that should damage gconf. You've been doing a lot of tweaking in your system, and some of it may well have touched Gconf data. That's what you need to clean up, not Gconf itself. Given the large number of problems, you're better off just nuking it and reconfiguring what you need. Keep a backup in case you need to consult something while doing the setup. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Googlesmithing for beginnners
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 16:13 -0400, max wrote: Say you want to search for Han Solo and Chewbacca. Try this in your search field: Han Solo +Chewbacca You mean: Han Solo +Chewbacca otherwise Han and Solo will match separately (not that it's likely to matter in this case). In fact: Yes it didn't matter but you are correct. Han Solo Chewbacca would do exactly the same thing, since Chewbacca is not a common term (such as a, the, and etc.) which would otherwise be supressed. poc Yes in this case the plus sign does little, the imagination is key here to get the most out of your search, it was just the first thing that came to mind and it was simple. Usually I have found the minus sign to be more useful. I didn't mention the suppression of common terms , thanks for pointing that out. -Max -- Fortune favors the BOLD -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Googlesmithing for beginnners
Dave Burns wrote: I was inspired by this post to add a firefox search engine customized to just search the fedora users archive. Instead I found one (by searching at http://mycroft.mozdev.org/search-engines.html?name=+fedora) that searches the 'fedora forum' at http://fedoraforum.org/forum/. Seems to have different content as https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/ , guess I should not be surprised. Does anyone know a really handy way to search the archives? Googling by hand with site:https://www.redhat.com/archives as one of the terms will do it, but awkwardly. The handiest way I have really found is to search your own archive, if you keep one, , I use this as an alternative since my archive is rather small in the grand scheme of things. You could search here: http://marc.info/ -Max Seems like it ought to be easier than this. Guess I should rtfm at mycroft and get the job done. Thanks, Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Modem
I can't find the Agere SV92PP modem driver for fedora core6 please advise me how to find this driver-- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Modem
Please run scanModem tool from site. This way we can be sure to give you correct driver. Download it from http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/scanModem.gz copy to your linux partition $ gunzip scanModem.gz $ su - or sudo # chmod +x scanModem # ./scanModem and send in ModemData.txt to list. Regards, Antonio --- On Sat, 8/23/08, S.torabkheslat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: S.torabkheslat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Modem To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 9:07 AM I can't find the Agere SV92PP modem driver for fedora core6 please advise me how to find this driver-- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Modem
--- On Sat, 8/23/08, S.torabkheslat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: S.torabkheslat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Modem To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 9:07 AM I can't find the Agere SV92PP modem driver for fedora core6 please advise me how to find this driver-- Please run scanModem tool from site. This way we can be sure to give you correct driver. Download it from http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/scanModem.gz copy to your linux partition $ gunzip scanModem.gz $ su - or sudo # chmod +x scanModem # ./scanModem and send in ModemData.txt to list. Apologies for sending this to Fedora list and for TOP POSTING. Regards, Antonio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Infrastructure status, 2008-08-16 UTC 1530
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 3:59 AM, Ralf Corsepius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 18:04 +0930, Tim wrote: On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 10:15 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: Is the annouce list the best thing we can do? Well, those who *want* to know these things, Wanting to know isn't the problem. I believe he is addressing a previous poster who claimed he didn't know he needed to be on the announce list for announcements. I believe that was in this thread. -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How to search the Fedora List
Tom Horsley: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:41:39 -0500 Aaron Konstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Searching the Fedora List came up in another thread. I thought this important enough information to have a thread of its own. See web link below: http://marc.info/?l=fedora-listr=1w=2 I always use google's advanced search page and specify the root web address of the mailing list archives. Works for pretty much everyone's mailing lists (except the folks who for some reason have configured their archives to not be scanned by search engines). Just a funny little thing: I don't get any hits from normal or advanced search when searching for 'googlesmithing' (a word in that other thread's title) nor for 'F9 boot-from-USB' (which should have shown the thread 'F9 boot-from-USB MemStick?'). I can find other threads from august 2008, though, so it's not ralated to the message being from the current month. Markmail.org that Wayne mentioned finds those threads. (I don't work from them ;-) ) Any suggestions as to why? FP -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Removing and re-installing gconf gconf-editor ??
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 13:07 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 12:49 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi; I just freshly re-installed Fedora 9. Problem: Many of my gnome applets and desktop are still not working as they should. gconf gconf-editor is not giving me the same keys in 'root' as in 'user' for common applications because (I think) gconf in 'user' is being over ridden by the '/home/user/.gconf' in the /home partition that I preserved on the new install. Naturally. That's exactly what you would expect. The root and user Gconf data are entirely independant of each other (because they are two different users). I understand they are independent from each other, that is why I compared them. The setup I had for an ordinary user was not very different from the root user. For example, things like the tasklist and calander keys in the gconf of the 'clock' applet should have been the same (marked true, yet they were now completely absent from gconf-editor). I used the 'root account ' as a comparison because its .gconf was removed and re-written by gconf on installation. gconf-cleaner in 'user' finds more and more keys to change or remove each time I run it in whichever 'user account ' ( I have three on my machine.) [...] Unless someone has a better solution, I was thinking of 'yum remove gconf gconf-editor' and deleting all my user's .gconf dir/files. Then re-installing gconf and gconf-editor. Deleting ~/.gconf (and ~/.gconf2) may fix your problems, although instead of deleting them I'd move them to one side just in case. Of course, you're right. Removing and reinstalling gconf and gconf-editor is completely pointless and will undoubtedly cause a cascade of dependant package removals. That was what I was afraid of. A case of frustration overriding judgement. However, that means I lose all my configurations for all my apps; and, gconf-editor has a lot of dependencies. If yum had a way to remove an app while leaving the dependencies intact or a way to do a 'dry run' I wouldn't be asking for advice. It automatically does a dry run, since it asks you to confirm before proceeding. A case of frustration overriding common sense. I have read through man yum-utils etc and see nothing useful there. I am not sure rpm -evv --nodeps -- test would be any better. Almost guaranteed to cause problems. Using --nodeps is an action of last resort, when there's something seriously wrong with a package installation or a spec file. Given that you have just reinstalled your entire system, there's no reason to suspect anything is wrong with your package set or any of its components. Forewarned is to be forearmed. When I move -/.gconf and -/.gconf2 aside, I trust that gconf will write new files. ( No answer necessary; I'll find out soon enough.) * If anyone has a better idea of where the problems might lie or how to fix them please let me know. * The thing that bothers me about my solution is that gconf should have installed in the first place accommodating my preexisting ~/.gconf. As far as I can tell, I have not touched or been messing about with anything that should damage gconf. You've been doing a lot of tweaking in your system, and some of it may well have touched Gconf data. Calling it 'tweaking' is very kind, Patrick. That's what you need to clean up, not Gconf itself. Given the large number of problems, you're better off just nuking it and reconfiguring what you need. Keep a backup in case you need to consult something while doing the setup. poc -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
USB stick
Hi list, I recently installed Fedora 8 in my computer and when starts I'm getting a message that says: hub 1-0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1. Then, when desktop is fully up I can't mount the USB stick (doesn't mount automatically when I insert it into the port). Seems a bad installation or maybe a bug. Any suggestions? -- Xavier Mas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
