Re: VMware start and hardreboot
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 04:22:27PM +0200, Patrick Kaiser wrote: > Hi, > > I installed vmware and the any-any-patch like described in the list. > vmmon compiles with many warnings, but it compiles :) > > But now if I try to start a vm quest system, my system does a hard > reboot. I do not really find any neccesary in the logs so I do not how > to debug this. Does anyone has the same problem like me? > > Thanks, all > > Greets, pat > > -- > > Patrick Kaiser > > URL: http://argonius.de > EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > RIPE: PK3264-RIPE > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > Hi again, i figured out, that this problem only occurs with the vmware appliance http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/1028. I tried to install a debian netboot and this seems to work for me -> no reboot. Maybe someone has an idea about this? Thanks, Greets Patrick Kaiser URL: http://argonius.de EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RIPE: PK3264-RIPE -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?
On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 01:32 +, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Linuxguy123 gmail.com> writes: > > Then we have a problem, don't we. We have this group of people called > > users that need these boring, existing features. > > > > I've been using Linux since Redhat 8. *NOTHING* that has happened > > since then has ever rocked my expectations of Linux as much as KDE4 has. > > Because you think it's better in the M$ world? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_removed_from_Windows_Vista > And unlike the KDE features you are complaining about, which the KDE > developers > are hard at work to bring back in KDE 4, those missing Vi$ta features will > most > likely never come back. just a perspective, not knocking you Kevin and you should know that you and Rex have my undying admiration, but... Simply because Microsoft does or does not do something should not neither be the progenitor nor the justification over what occurs in the open source world. I'm quite certain that if having an active desktop for files & folders means no plasmoids on the Desktop, then I'd likely pass over the feature. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 08:39:59PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 20:02 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 06:22:07PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 18:32 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: > > > > > > > There is an icon on the upper panel next to the date which, when I put > > > > the mouse cursor over it, displays the message "no network connection". > > > > As I mentioned in a previous post, the system stopped connecting at > > > > boot, and I got internet connectivity by executing dhclient. Obviously, > > > > that command by itself does not properly set network connectivity and > > > > I have not figured out yet how to fix the broken step in bootup. > > > > > > Sounds like you need to right-click on the icon and configure it. > > > > > > poc > > > > Thanks for this tip! > > > > I right clicked on the icon and then clicked on 'configure network'. > > I immediately got the message > > > > Disconnected > > > > The network connection has been disconnected. > > > > Then left clicking on the icon generates a long > > message saying that each device (named) has been disconnected. > > All that text is grayed out. > > > > Where is the Documentation for Network Manager? > > There's a website but no useful end-user docs that I've ever seen. The > man page says it's supposed to Just Work (tm). I haven't had trouble > with it once I decided it knew what it was doing better than I did and > just got out of the way, but other people haven't had so much luck. I have been running F9 and SUSE 11 for about 2 months now. Prior to that I had been running OpenBSD and FreeBSD. I had no knowledge whatsoever about Linux networking when the F9 stopped working at bootup one day. Then I began searching for the network initialization code and found that Linux seems to be quite different from *BSD. So when I couldn't figure out what needed to be fixed, I just tried running dhclient as I do in *BSD. Voila! Ping, etc worked again. It seems however, that there are consequences from not fixing the network problem properly, whatever that problem is. > One thing you need to be sure of: do not ever attempt to use NM and > the older network stuff (system-config-network etc.) at the same time. > You said earlier that you were using dhclient, which could be > interfering (NM does this on its own). Run serviceconf as root and > make sure NetworkManager is enabled and "network" is *disabled*. > Rebooting would probably be a good idea too, though in theory the Stop > button on "network" should be enough. Thanks again for the above info. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: flash and firefox again
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 20:32 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Frank Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > That's a thought. I have never been able to watch CNN > videos on > > this dual-core machine, even with Flash 10, but they work on > the > > single-core machine that's sitting beside it. Both running > F8. > > > Another data point. Flash-10 works fine for me at www.cnn.com > on this > 4-core amd phenom computer (w. f9/64-bit with current yum > updates). > > I wonder what the difference is. Do you by any chance have > libflashsupport installed? (I don't.) > > -wolfgang > > I have both the i386 and x86_64 installed on my F8 machine. I'm not > sure if I still need it though... according to Rahul, you only need libflashsupport package(s) if you are using Flash 9 and if you are using Flash 10, then it's probably best to remove them. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?
Linuxguy123 gmail.com> writes: > When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ? In KDE 4.2. KDE 4.2 supports (well, will support, but the prereleases already support it) setting the folder view applet as the desktop instead of the standard Plasma desktop, which effectively provides an old-school desktop with files and shortcuts. The folder view applet in 4.2 has also been enhanced to remember the position of icons, just like the old KDE 3.5 desktop did. > Here is a comment from a recent KDE4.2 review: > > > The Desktop > Plasma has most goals listed for inclusion in KDE4.2, followed closely > by KWin. Currently Plasma behaves somewhat unstable and can crash while > managing the plasmoids. With the default “plasmoid” desktop setting, we > can add the plasmoids, but the files/icons are not supported, KDE3’s > style. > === > > http://polishlinux.org/kde/quick-look-at-kde-42-svn/ You'll notice the review says "With the default “plasmoid” desktop setting". This implies there's another one. :-) (And that other setting is the folder-view-as-desktop option I described above.) Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F9: Desktop Effect and Compiz: How to manually disable it? [SOLVED (sort of)]
2008/10/21 Dan Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > My question is, is there a command-line command or can >> I manually disable Desktop-Effects (Compiz) for that user >> where it failed (since obviously I cannot use the the user's >> desktop window to disable desktop-effects)? > > Assuming your user is using bash as a shell, enter export WINDOW_MANAGER=metacity in that user's ~/.bashrc . This will be read by gnome-wm which is called by 0,RestartCommand= in the user's ~/.gnome2/session (or /usr/share/gnome/default.session if the user doesn't have a ~/.gnome2/session ). Possibly you are a long-lost cousin to the metacity maintainer. :) Thomas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?
kwhiskerz gmail.com> writes: > Auto-hide is back!!! I just discovered it under panel properties/more > settings. Only if you're using Rawhide (or the F9 build directly from Koji). The F9 build (kdebase-workspace-4.1.2-6.fc9) will hit updates-testing shortly. WARNING: I can't repeat this often enough, but please DO NOT install the Rawhide (.fc10) package on F9, installing Rawhide packages on F9 can cause all sorts of problems. If you really can't wait, you can get the F9 build from Koji now. But it is just a matter of days for it to hit updates-testing (I don't know when the next push will be, but it shouldn't be more than a week from now). Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?
Fred Silsbee yahoo.com> writes: > other than "hide a panel", what is missing There will be a kdebase-workspace-4.1.2-6.fc9 in updates-testing soon (it's already queued, just waiting for the next push) which adds panel autohiding. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?
Linuxguy123 gmail.com> writes: > Then we have a problem, don't we. We have this group of people called > users that need these boring, existing features. > > I've been using Linux since Redhat 8. *NOTHING* that has happened > since then has ever rocked my expectations of Linux as much as KDE4 has. Because you think it's better in the M$ world? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_removed_from_Windows_Vista And unlike the KDE features you are complaining about, which the KDE developers are hard at work to bring back in KDE 4, those missing Vi$ta features will most likely never come back. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: flash and firefox again
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht < [EMAIL PROTECTED]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Frank Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > That's a thought. I have never been able to watch CNN videos on > > this dual-core machine, even with Flash 10, but they work on the > > single-core machine that's sitting beside it. Both running F8. > > Another data point. Flash-10 works fine for me at www.cnn.com on this > 4-core amd phenom computer (w. f9/64-bit with current yum updates). > > I wonder what the difference is. Do you by any chance have > libflashsupport installed? (I don't.) > > -wolfgang > I have both the i386 and x86_64 installed on my F8 machine. I'm not sure if I still need it though... Richard -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Classroom sessions - feedback report
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Kevin Fenzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd like to thank everyone that took the time to respond to my request > for feedback for classroom sessions. > > Sorry for the delay in tallying them up and sending this email out. > > It looks like the following sessions are most in demand from those that > responded (in order of people mentioning them): > > iptables and firewalls > How to make a rpm package > selinux and security > upgrading and reinstalling tips > how to get involved in fedora > basic desktop usage. > > The majority of folks wanted weekend sessions, with a few requesting > middle of the day/lunch time sessions. > > I'm going to look into finding someone to lead some of the above > sessions and we will look at scheduling them for the first weekend of > november. We will likely just do a few that weekend and see how things > go. > > Will keep everyone posted! > > thanks again. > > kevin > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > I'd be happy to lead some classrooms. Well, I'm not experienced with the other ones, but I can talk about the basic desktop usage!!! Just tell me what needs to be mentioned and I'll pick the rest up! And I will be happy to learn something new if you need someone to lead some other classes! Let me know the plan of action! and by the way, what channel? -- Armin Past is history, Tomorrow is a mystery, But today is a gift. That's why it's called, present. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 20:02 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 06:22:07PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 18:32 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: > > > > > There is an icon on the upper panel next to the date which, when I put > > > the mouse cursor over it, displays the message "no network connection". > > > As I mentioned in a previous post, the system stopped connecting at > > > boot, and I got internet connectivity by executing dhclient. Obviously, > > > that command by itself does not properly set network connectivity and > > > I have not figured out yet how to fix the broken step in bootup. > > > > Sounds like you need to right-click on the icon and configure it. > > > > poc > > Thanks for this tip! > > I right clicked on the icon and then clicked on 'configure network'. > I immediately got the message > > Disconnected > > The network connection has been disconnected. > > Then left clicking on the icon generates a long > message saying that each device (named) has been disconnected. > All that text is grayed out. > > Where is the Documentation for Network Manager? There's a website but no useful end-user docs that I've ever seen. The man page says it's supposed to Just Work (tm). I haven't had trouble with it once I decided it knew what it was doing better than I did and just got out of the way, but other people haven't had so much luck. One thing you need to be sure of: do not ever attempt to use NM and the older network stuff (system-config-network etc.) at the same time. You said earlier that you were using dhclient, which could be interfering (NM does this on its own). Run serviceconf as root and make sure NetworkManager is enabled and "network" is *disabled*. Rebooting would probably be a good idea too, though in theory the Stop button on "network" should be enough. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 05:28:19PM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: > I rarely use NM myself as it has some, uhm, issues if you have a complex > network configuration as I do. Thanks for this info, which I will apply to my system tomorrow when I am fresh. My system cosists of an OpenBSD firewall connecting 2 Linux computers and one laptop running OpenBSD via dhcpd to my isp via dhcp. I had been thinking about getting another AMD box to run FreeBSD, but now I am thinking about waiting until 2010 to get an Intel box that executes AVX instructions. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
Dave Feustel wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 04:08:19PM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: Dave Feustel wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 03:01:29PM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: Dave Feustel wrote: Are you using Network Manager, and if so is NM managing your interface? 1. Is there a nm-applet in the upper panel on the left? 2. Check what:chkconfig --list |grep NetworkManager returns I don't understand either point 1 or point 2; I do almost everything via the command line in xterm. Could you elaborate? If you have a /var/run/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.pid file, then NetworkManager is running. That's probably the most reliable way. If you're in a GUI, look around in the taskbars and see if there's an icon that looks like two computers, one in front of the other. Right click on it and select "About" from the drop-down menu. If the About box says "NetworkManager Applet", then NetworkManager is running. If it says "Network Monitor" then NetworkManager is NOT running. The problem is that the icon for the NetworkManager applet and the one for Network Monitor are damned near identical. It's caught me by surprise before. Thanks for this. I actually understand it! Good! :-) There is an icon on the upper panel next to the date which, when I put the mouse cursor over it, displays the message "no network connection". As I mentioned in a previous post, the system stopped connecting at boot, and I got internet connectivity by executing dhclient. Obviously, that command by itself does not properly set network connectivity and I have not figured out yet how to fix the broken step in bootup. Well, we still don't know if it's NetworkManager (NM for short) or if you're using ye ol' network stuff. My guess is it's NM (the "About" will tell you). Clicking 'about' generates a popup identifying NM as Applet 0.7.0. Well, that settles that! :-) If it's NM, then make sure "Enable Networking" is checkmarked (right click on icon). If it isn't then NM won't try to manage the network and that may be where you're having issues. If it's not checked, right click on the NM applet icon and left-click on the "Enable Networking" option. Then wait a few seconds to see if it fires up. Clicking on enable networking produced an immediate 'Network disconnected' message. Then left-clicking produced a bunch of lines that listed a series of network devices (5) that had been disconnected. All the text is greyed out. Ok, so right click on the icon and select "Edit Connections". Select the "Wired" tab (I'm assuming this is a wired connection) and click "Add". Another window should pop up where you can enter the appropriate data. If the window doesn't pop up, then edit the file called "/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0". Make sure there's a line in there that says: NM_CONTROLLED=yes If not, add it (or edit an existing line) and try a reboot. See if the network comes up this time. If not, then you should be able do the above stuff about editing connections, since NM is now controlling this interface. I rarely use NM myself as it has some, uhm, issues if you have a complex network configuration as I do. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - If one is what one eats, then I am fast, cheap and greasy! - -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 04:08:19PM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: > Dave Feustel wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 03:01:29PM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: >>> Dave Feustel wrote: >>> Are you using Network Manager, and if so is NM managing your interface? > 1. Is there a nm-applet in the upper panel on the left? > 2. Check what:chkconfig --list |grep NetworkManager returns I don't understand either point 1 or point 2; I do almost everything via the command line in xterm. Could you elaborate? >>> If you have a /var/run/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.pid file, then >>> NetworkManager is running. That's probably the most reliable way. >>> >>> If you're in a GUI, look around in the taskbars and see if there's an >>> icon that looks like two computers, one in front of the other. Right >>> click on it and select "About" from the drop-down menu. >>> >>> If the About box says "NetworkManager Applet", then NetworkManager is >>> running. If it says "Network Monitor" then NetworkManager is NOT >>> running. The problem is that the icon for the NetworkManager applet and >>> the one for Network Monitor are damned near identical. It's caught me >>> by surprise before. >> >> Thanks for this. I actually understand it! > > Good! :-) > >> There is an icon on the upper panel next to the date which, when I put >> the mouse cursor over it, displays the message "no network connection". >> As I mentioned in a previous post, the system stopped connecting at >> boot, and I got internet connectivity by executing dhclient. Obviously, >> that command by itself does not properly set network connectivity and >> I have not figured out yet how to fix the broken step in bootup. > > Well, we still don't know if it's NetworkManager (NM for short) or if > you're using ye ol' network stuff. My guess is it's NM (the "About" > will tell you). Clicking 'about' generates a popup identifying NM as Applet 0.7.0. > If it's NM, then make sure "Enable Networking" is checkmarked (right > click on icon). If it isn't then NM won't try to manage the network and > that may be where you're having issues. If it's not checked, right > click on the NM applet icon and left-click on the "Enable Networking" > option. Then wait a few seconds to see if it fires up. Clicking on enable networking produced an immediate 'Network disconnected' message. Then left-clicking produced a bunch of lines that listed a series of network devices (5) that had been disconnected. All the text is greyed out. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 14:19 -0700, BRUCE STANLEY wrote: > It could also be argued that this philosophy of yours is in direct > conflict with the whole spirit and intent of the Linux environment > in the first place. > > Linux and it's environments were created to give users the freedom > to use and configure their desktops any way they like. > > To tell me that I should not lose abilities that I once had and > used for the sake of some new dogma that someone else believes in > is like chalk scrapping against a blackboard. > > If I want to clutter my desktop with files and folders, > that is my business not some developers. and at some point in the KDE 4.2 release process, you will be able to do that. Until then, you can't. Get over it. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 06:22:07PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 18:32 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: > > > There is an icon on the upper panel next to the date which, when I put > > the mouse cursor over it, displays the message "no network connection". > > As I mentioned in a previous post, the system stopped connecting at > > boot, and I got internet connectivity by executing dhclient. Obviously, > > that command by itself does not properly set network connectivity and > > I have not figured out yet how to fix the broken step in bootup. > > Sounds like you need to right-click on the icon and configure it. > > poc Thanks for this tip! I right clicked on the icon and then clicked on 'configure network'. I immediately got the message Disconnected The network connection has been disconnected. Then left clicking on the icon generates a long message saying that each device (named) has been disconnected. All that text is grayed out. Where is the Documentation for Network Manager? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Classroom sessions - feedback report
I'd like to thank everyone that took the time to respond to my request for feedback for classroom sessions. Sorry for the delay in tallying them up and sending this email out. It looks like the following sessions are most in demand from those that responded (in order of people mentioning them): iptables and firewalls How to make a rpm package selinux and security upgrading and reinstalling tips how to get involved in fedora basic desktop usage. The majority of folks wanted weekend sessions, with a few requesting middle of the day/lunch time sessions. I'm going to look into finding someone to lead some of the above sessions and we will look at scheduling them for the first weekend of november. We will likely just do a few that weekend and see how things go. Will keep everyone posted! thanks again. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?
On Tuesday 21 October 2008 21:19, BRUCE STANLEY wrote: > --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Marko Vojinovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It could be argued that files and icons do not belong on > > the desktop, but > > rather in home directory. It could also be argued that one > > should use a file > > manager rather then desktop manager to manipulate files, > > while the desktop > > manager should be better suited to manipulate the desktop. > > It could further > > be argued that files and icons were already present on the > > desktop up to KDE > > 3.5 and that this was demonstrated to be a Bad Habbit, > > since the desktop > > usually becomes cluttered beyond any usability after some > > time. Finally, it > > could be argued that using plasmoids on the desktop rather > > than keeping icons > > on it enhances its usability. > > It could also be argued that this philosophy of yours is in direct > conflict with the whole spirit and intent of the Linux environment > in the first place. For start, it isn't my philosophy. It is the KDE team philosophy, and I seem to remember someone pointing out that this is not even unique to them, but is actually a whole new "3D Desktop" approach that is under investigation by virtually all desktop environment teams out there (other operating systems included, not only Linux world). You know, the some-serious-psyhologists/engineers/scientists-investigating-the-best-way-of-interaction-between-a-human-and-a-machine stuff... People who elevated this interaction from the cli to gui in the first place, people who "invented" the concepts of windows, screens, pointers, mice, clicking, drag&drop, etc... It seems that *they* are pushing further, and it seems that *they* find the idea of icons on the desktop to be a drawback rather than a feature. We are all witnessing the KDE gui evolving to something new, and I think it is just a matter of time before Gnome, XFCE, MacOSX, even Windows, start doing the same. And I don't see how any of this has to do with spirit and intent of Linux environment. That Linux spirit is usually translated as the ability to make choices and customize things to your preference. The KDE4 environment sure gives you such ability. I see no problem there. > Linux and it's environments were created to give users the freedom > to use and configure their desktops any way they like. True. And, for the sake of the argument, say I want to have some icons displayed on the desktop, but say both from the Desktop folder and from the Music folder. In KDE 4 this is done by having two folder view plasmoids on the desktop. In KDE 3 this is downright impossible. I see only KDE 3 restricting my freedom to configure the desktop here, not KDE 4. Version 4 is --- simply put --- a rewrite of the codebase with a goal to provide flexibility that was pretty impossible to have the old way. Of course, it is a work in progress, and some features are missing for the time being, but the more I play with the new desktop, the more usability I find that wasn't available in version 3. And this is a Good Thing, in general. > To tell me that I should not lose abilities that I once had and > used for the sake of some new dogma that someone else believes in > is like chalk scrapping against a blackboard. Remember that once in the past the gui itself was "some new dogma" and there were people who disliked it and preferred the good-old-prompt. We are in a similar situation now. The prompt had its advantages, and it still does. The icons on the desktop had some advantages, and one can argue they still do. But there is also some *new*, upgraded functionality, and it is wiser to exploit it than bitch about the old-was-better. > If I want to clutter my desktop with files and folders, > that is my business not some developers. Go ahead, nobody is stopping you. You can even do that in a more complicated and intricate way than you could with KDE 3... ;-) But really, all I see in KDE 4 is a new way of thinking about the desktop, and it seems to be more flexible than the old way (aside from some features yet to find their way back). I mean, given a brand-new Ferrari car, you can sure tie it to two horses and use it as a wagon, the Old Way... But once you instead try driving it as intended, I guess you will feel the benefit of the New Way. The Old Way is still possible, but not recommended, for obvious reasons. You are free to do it, but don't bitch to developers who say that it would be better to change your habbits and ditch the horse drive. To me it seems they have a point... ;-) Of course, this first version of the Ferrari seems to have a flat tyre, but that is a technical problem, not a conceptual one. Be patient, and the developers will fix all the glitches. But they will not revert to horse drive --- it is not considered a feature worth implementing. Ok, I got carried away in analogies a bit... Yet again... ;-) Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fed
F9 Network Manager Tutorial
Where can I find a tutorial on Network Manager? (I have the _F9 and RHEL_ book, but there is no mention of Network Manager in either the TOC or the index. Thanks. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Regarding net connection
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 4:54 AM, madhav rao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > please help me out how to configure my broadband dial up in Fedora . >From your name I am guessing you are from India. In that case I hope you mean ADSL over pppoe when you say "broadband dial up", as that is the most widely used protocol for braodband by the ISPs in India. If that is the case then you need to configure the internet connection as pppoe. its been a while since I have done that so cant remember the exact steps. however there should be enough HOWTos on the Internet. to get you started, http://www.google.com/search?q=adsl+pppoe+linux hope this helps -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
Dave Feustel wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 03:01:29PM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: Dave Feustel wrote: Are you using Network Manager, and if so is NM managing your interface? 1. Is there a nm-applet in the upper panel on the left? 2. Check what:chkconfig --list |grep NetworkManager returns I don't understand either point 1 or point 2; I do almost everything via the command line in xterm. Could you elaborate? If you have a /var/run/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.pid file, then NetworkManager is running. That's probably the most reliable way. If you're in a GUI, look around in the taskbars and see if there's an icon that looks like two computers, one in front of the other. Right click on it and select "About" from the drop-down menu. If the About box says "NetworkManager Applet", then NetworkManager is running. If it says "Network Monitor" then NetworkManager is NOT running. The problem is that the icon for the NetworkManager applet and the one for Network Monitor are damned near identical. It's caught me by surprise before. Thanks for this. I actually understand it! Good! :-) There is an icon on the upper panel next to the date which, when I put the mouse cursor over it, displays the message "no network connection". As I mentioned in a previous post, the system stopped connecting at boot, and I got internet connectivity by executing dhclient. Obviously, that command by itself does not properly set network connectivity and I have not figured out yet how to fix the broken step in bootup. Well, we still don't know if it's NetworkManager (NM for short) or if you're using ye ol' network stuff. My guess is it's NM (the "About" will tell you). If it's NM, then make sure "Enable Networking" is checkmarked (right click on icon). If it isn't then NM won't try to manage the network and that may be where you're having issues. If it's not checked, right click on the NM applet icon and left-click on the "Enable Networking" option. Then wait a few seconds to see if it fires up. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - "Microsoft is a cross between The Borg and the Ferengi. - - Unfortunately they use Borg to do their marketing and Ferengi to - - do their programming." -- Simon Slavin - -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 18:32 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: > There is an icon on the upper panel next to the date which, when I put > the mouse cursor over it, displays the message "no network connection". > As I mentioned in a previous post, the system stopped connecting at > boot, and I got internet connectivity by executing dhclient. Obviously, > that command by itself does not properly set network connectivity and > I have not figured out yet how to fix the broken step in bootup. Sounds like you need to right-click on the icon and configure it. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F9: Desktop Effect and Compiz: How to manually disable it? [SOLVED (sort of)]
Dan Thurman wrote: I have enabled 'Desktop Effects' (Compiz) and tried it out and it looks pretty cool. I was able to logout and log back in, everything is fine. Next, I used the Compiz Configuration Tool (cscm), added a few more "bells and whistles", and I did not get any immediate changes after closing the cscm dialog window. But I was curious about emerald, so I used the command-line command for emerald and cool - I had emerald window wraps! Then I logged off and logged back in - and got the dreaded windows white screen of death! Rats. There was no windows cursors and nothing seemed to work (mouse clicks and random keystrokes) until I hit ALT-S - and the mouse cursor popped in - but still, the screen stayed white. I hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace and the window logged out and the GUI login screen appeared. Next, I logged in as a different user that did not have desktop effects (Compiz) enabled, so everything was fine. My question is, is there a command-line command or can I manually disable Desktop-Effects (Compiz) for that user where it failed (since obviously I cannot use the the user's desktop window to disable desktop-effects)? I would like to restore this user (it is not mine!) to a sane state and try a temporary user to resolve this problem for later. I searched everywhere for a solution and even posted my problem on Compiz's Forum waiting for a resolution, but I wanted to post this specific request here seeking the answer to manually disable the desktop-effects. Thanks! Dan I gave up trying to fix it. I did locate: ~/.gnome2/sessions, deleted this file, and then had to go back in as this user (the white screen of death went away), but had to set everything up again which was quicker than trying to pick through the mess and waste even more time. FWIW, Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 03:01:29PM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: > Dave Feustel wrote: > Are you using Network Manager, and if so is NM managing your interface? >>> 1. Is there a nm-applet in the upper panel on the left? >>> 2. Check what:chkconfig --list |grep NetworkManager returns >> >> I don't understand either point 1 or point 2; I do almost everything via >> the command line in xterm. Could you elaborate? > > If you have a /var/run/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.pid file, then > NetworkManager is running. That's probably the most reliable way. > > If you're in a GUI, look around in the taskbars and see if there's an > icon that looks like two computers, one in front of the other. Right > click on it and select "About" from the drop-down menu. > > If the About box says "NetworkManager Applet", then NetworkManager is > running. If it says "Network Monitor" then NetworkManager is NOT > running. The problem is that the icon for the NetworkManager applet and > the one for Network Monitor are damned near identical. It's caught me > by surprise before. Thanks for this. I actually understand it! There is an icon on the upper panel next to the date which, when I put the mouse cursor over it, displays the message "no network connection". As I mentioned in a previous post, the system stopped connecting at boot, and I got internet connectivity by executing dhclient. Obviously, that command by itself does not properly set network connectivity and I have not figured out yet how to fix the broken step in bootup. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
Dave Feustel wrote: Are you using Network Manager, and if so is NM managing your interface? 1. Is there a nm-applet in the upper panel on the left? 2. Check what:chkconfig --list |grep NetworkManager returns I don't understand either point 1 or point 2; I do almost everything via the command line in xterm. Could you elaborate? If you have a /var/run/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.pid file, then NetworkManager is running. That's probably the most reliable way. If you're in a GUI, look around in the taskbars and see if there's an icon that looks like two computers, one in front of the other. Right click on it and select "About" from the drop-down menu. If the About box says "NetworkManager Applet", then NetworkManager is running. If it says "Network Monitor" then NetworkManager is NOT running. The problem is that the icon for the NetworkManager applet and the one for Network Monitor are damned near identical. It's caught me by surprise before. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - The problem with being poor is that it takes up all of your time - -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: changing hdparm default values
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Martín Marqués <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've changed some HD values on my laptop, due to the clicking issue of > hard disks. > > The thing is that every time I reboot I have to pass againg the values > I want with hdparm, and I can't find where to configure the default > values of hdparm in Fedora 9. /etc/hdparm.conf doesn't exist, and I > found nothing in /etc/sysconfig/. > > I know I can put the hdparm lines I want in /etc/rc.local and they > will get executed after booting, but I don't see this as an elegant > solution. > > Any ideas? > > -- > Martín Marqués > select 'martin.marques' || '@' || 'gmail.com' > DBA, Programador, Administrador > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > Look here and search for the string "hdparm" http://www.fedoraguide.info/index.php?title=Main_Page iit seems you need to create the file. ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Why is FC9 mounting my media again?
After an update FC9 is mounting CDs again. I checked preferences, set for don't browse and don't play. This has been fixed for years, and now today it has started grabbing the media as soon as the drive is closed. Can someone tell me what config or prefs file has been "upgraded" this time? When an application changes media and ejects the old, the system grabs the next one faster than the application. -- Bill Davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: out of range
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 15:54 -0400, barclay982 wrote: > ed/craig/other- i can get logged in as root command line only; what file > (and path to file) do i edit to make change for the 'out of range' > message i get from fedora boot-up on my lcd monitor? I don't understand. if after going into runlevel 3, logging on as root, setting your display configuration with the command 'system-config-display --reconfig', saving your settings and satisfied with X settings by running startx, you simply type 'init 5' and you should be good to go. Those settings should persevere through reboots. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 03:23:48PM -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 15:34 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 02:38:36PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 14:39 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: > > > > Running F9, the administrative -> update option no longer works. > > > > When I click for details, I get the message "cannot update whilst > > > > offline". I have network access. How do I make updates think > > > > that it is online? > > > > > > > > Also, what is the difference between running the console command > > > > yum update and doing an update via the administrative desktop? > > > > > > Are you using Network Manager, and if so is NM managing your interface? > 1. Is there a nm-applet in the upper panel on the left? > 2. Check what:chkconfig --list |grep NetworkManager returns I don't understand either point 1 or point 2; I do almost everything via the command line in xterm. Could you elaborate? Thanks. > > As far as I can tell, I'm not using network manager. How can I be sure? > > > > > If NM is running but not managing the interface, it thinks you aren't > > > connected even when you are, and some Gnome apps believe it (Evolution > > > is one and I'm guessing PackageKit is another). > > > > > > "yum" doesn't pay any attention to this, so it's not affected. > > > -- > === > The whole world is a scab. The point is to pick it constructively. -- > Peter Beard > === > Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?
--- On Tue, 10/21/08, Marko Vojinovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Marko Vojinovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ? > To: fedora-list@redhat.com > Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 10:12 AM > On Monday 20 October 2008 23:50, Linuxguy123 wrote: > > Why can't we have files and icons on the desktop, > ala KDE3.x ? > > You can. Use folder-view widget, and point it to the > Desktop folder under your > home directory. > > However... > > It could be argued that files and icons do not belong on > the desktop, but > rather in home directory. It could also be argued that one > should use a file > manager rather then desktop manager to manipulate files, > while the desktop > manager should be better suited to manipulate the desktop. > It could further > be argued that files and icons were already present on the > desktop up to KDE > 3.5 and that this was demonstrated to be a Bad Habbit, > since the desktop > usually becomes cluttered beyond any usability after some > time. Finally, it > could be argued that using plasmoids on the desktop rather > than keeping icons > on it enhances its usability. > > I know that forcing people to change their habbits is very > painful in general, > invites a horrific amount of bitching and moaning, but --- > as for example > with taking bitter-tasting medications, learning math in > school, using > selinux --- it is for their own good. > > I would suggest that you put some effort in getting > yourself disciplined in > having a directory hierarchy under your home dir to put > files, and put > plasmoids/widgets on the desktop. > > OTOH, if you really really really absolutely need files and > icons on the > desktop, use folder-view widget. After a while you might > get interested in > having two or more folder-view widgets on the desktop > showing the contents of > several different directories, and then you might apreciate > the hard-work of > the KDE4 developers who made such a thing possible. In KDE > 3.5 you are > limited to just one folder, just like for ex. in Windows > you are limited to > just one desktop. Once you find out about the Better Way, > you'll never look > back... ;-) > > HTH, :-) > Marko > > -- It could also be argued that this philosophy of yours is in direct conflict with the whole spirit and intent of the Linux environment in the first place. Linux and it's environments were created to give users the freedom to use and configure their desktops any way they like. To tell me that I should not lose abilities that I once had and used for the sake of some new dogma that someone else believes in is like chalk scrapping against a blackboard. If I want to clutter my desktop with files and folders, that is my business not some developers. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 15:23 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 15:34 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 02:38:36PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 14:39 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: > > > > Running F9, the administrative -> update option no longer works. > > > > When I click for details, I get the message "cannot update whilst > > > > offline". I have network access. How do I make updates think > > > > that it is online? > > > > > > > > Also, what is the difference between running the console command > > > > yum update and doing an update via the administrative desktop? > > > > > > Are you using Network Manager, and if so is NM managing your interface? > 1. Is there a nm-applet in the upper panel on the left? > 2. Check what:chkconfig --list |grep NetworkManager returns > > > > As far as I can tell, I'm not using network manager. How can I be sure? Or in KDE, look for an icon in the panel similar to a couple of terminals, one half-hidden by the other. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fdisk and labels
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:48:26PM -0700, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > > > "Paul W. Frields" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Fedora 9, mtools may not be installed on many systems, but you can > > use /sbin/dosfslabel for the same purpose, I believe. > > Thanks for the tip. > > One minor problem with finding dosfslabel is that it is rather well > hidden. I tried a "man -k label" to see what labeling utilities were > installed, but dosfslabel didn't have a man page, hence it never got > indexed. > > Is there some other indexing program I should have tried in addition > to "man -k"? > File a bug against the man page that the "key words" indexed by makewhatis for "man -k; apropos" are not sufficient or the man page is absent. Suggest an improved primary line for the man page or craft a quick draft. -- T o m M i t c h e l l Found me a new hat, now what? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kate's terminal emulator freezes up
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Aldo Foot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Rex Dieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Aldo Foot wrote: >> >>> Kate's embedded terminal is helpful when writing programs. >>> It works well as long as it's located at the Lower Sidebar. >>> The terminal freezes up if it's moved to the left, right >>> or upper sidebar. As a follow up: The terminal does not freeze when using the "linux konsole" keyboard type. put the terminal on the left side *and*, left-click on the terminal and in Settings->Keyboard select "linux konsole". With this the terminal never freezes up. ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Command line
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Aaron Konstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 11:19 +0100, Dan wrote: > > I recently downloaded all the parts of KDE 4.1.1. It says I must install > > it using command line. How do I access command line on Fedora 9. > > > > Thank you > > Dan > > > Sorry,in KDE you need to find kterm in menus. > -- > === > BASIC is to computer programming as QWERTY is to typing. -- Seymour > Papert > === > Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > nope, it's called Konsole in KDE! -- Armin Past is history, Tomorrow is a mystery, But today is a gift. That's why it's called, present. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Command line
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 11:19 +0100, Dan wrote: > I recently downloaded all the parts of KDE 4.1.1. It says I must install > it using command line. How do I access command line on Fedora 9. > > Thank you > Dan > Sorry,in KDE you need to find kterm in menus. -- === BASIC is to computer programming as QWERTY is to typing. -- Seymour Papert === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Command line
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 11:19 +0100, Dan wrote: > I recently downloaded all the parts of KDE 4.1.1. It says I must install > it using command line. How do I access command line on Fedora 9. > > Thank you > Dan > One way is: Application->System Tools->Terminal Second way if nautilus-open-terminal is installed you right click on background and choose open terminal option -- === Real programmers don't write in BASIC. Actually, no programmers write in BASIC after reaching puberty. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 15:34 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 02:38:36PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 14:39 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: > > > Running F9, the administrative -> update option no longer works. > > > When I click for details, I get the message "cannot update whilst > > > offline". I have network access. How do I make updates think > > > that it is online? > > > > > > Also, what is the difference between running the console command > > > yum update and doing an update via the administrative desktop? > > > > Are you using Network Manager, and if so is NM managing your interface? 1. Is there a nm-applet in the upper panel on the left? 2. Check what:chkconfig --list |grep NetworkManager returns > > As far as I can tell, I'm not using network manager. How can I be sure? > > > If NM is running but not managing the interface, it thinks you aren't > > connected even when you are, and some Gnome apps believe it (Evolution > > is one and I'm guessing PackageKit is another). > > > > "yum" doesn't pay any attention to this, so it's not affected. > -- === The whole world is a scab. The point is to pick it constructively. -- Peter Beard === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: out of range
ed/craig/other- i can get logged in as root command line only; what file (and path to file) do i edit to make change for the 'out of range' message i get from fedora boot-up on my lcd monitor? Ed Greshko wrote: Craig White wrote: Sorry, I don't followwhat is a "9600" driver? I only know the nvidia.ko driver and "nv" driver. http://livna-dl.reloumirrors.net/fedora/8/i386/ note, there are separate packages for [kmod-] 96XX and legacy as well as the current nvidia drivers. I suppose they all would install the nvidia.ko which is why you only install 1 of them. I see what is confusing me The OP said he has a Shuttle SN68SG2 and it has an onboard NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 while you have a SN41G2 (or something like that) with a "GeForce4 MX" on it. So, you need the legacy drivers while the OP would probably be served better by the latest drivers. I don't know why you would install kmod-nvidia version 173.14.12-5.lvn9 on you system since that is not the legacy nvidia driver. But, what do I know I only use the stock nVidia stuff I have one system here with "GeForce 7300 GT" running "Kernel Module 173.14.05" and the other system with "GeForce4 MX 420" running "Kernel Module 1.0-7185" and everything works fine. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 02:38:36PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 14:39 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: > > Running F9, the administrative -> update option no longer works. > > When I click for details, I get the message "cannot update whilst > > offline". I have network access. How do I make updates think > > that it is online? > > > > Also, what is the difference between running the console command > > yum update and doing an update via the administrative desktop? > > Are you using Network Manager, and if so is NM managing your interface? As far as I can tell, I'm not using network manager. How can I be sure? > If NM is running but not managing the interface, it thinks you aren't > connected even when you are, and some Gnome apps believe it (Evolution > is one and I'm guessing PackageKit is another). > > "yum" doesn't pay any attention to this, so it's not affected. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
F9: Desktop Effect and Compiz: How to manually disable it?
I have enabled 'Desktop Effects' (Compiz) and tried it out and it looks pretty cool. I was able to logout and log back in, everything is fine. Next, I used the Compiz Configuration Tool (cscm), added a few more "bells and whistles", and I did not get any immediate changes after closing the cscm dialog window. But I was curious about emerald, so I used the command-line command for emerald and cool - I had emerald window wraps! Then I logged off and logged back in - and got the dreaded windows white screen of death! Rats. There was no windows cursors and nothing seemed to work (mouse clicks and random keystrokes) until I hit ALT-S - and the mouse cursor popped in - but still, the screen stayed white. I hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace and the window logged out and the GUI login screen appeared. Next, I logged in as a different user that did not have desktop effects (Compiz) enabled, so everything was fine. My question is, is there a command-line command or can I manually disable Desktop-Effects (Compiz) for that user where it failed (since obviously I cannot use the the user's desktop window to disable desktop-effects)? I would like to restore this user (it is not mine!) to a sane state and try a temporary user to resolve this problem for later. I searched everywhere for a solution and even posted my problem on Compiz's Forum waiting for a resolution, but I wanted to post this specific request here seeking the answer to manually disable the desktop-effects. Thanks! Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 14:39 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: > Running F9, the administrative -> update option no longer works. > When I click for details, I get the message "cannot update whilst > offline". I have network access. How do I make updates think > that it is online? > > Also, what is the difference between running the console command > yum update and doing an update via the administrative desktop? Are you using Network Manager, and if so is NM managing your interface? If NM is running but not managing the interface, it thinks you aren't connected even when you are, and some Gnome apps believe it (Evolution is one and I'm guessing PackageKit is another). "yum" doesn't pay any attention to this, so it's not affected. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [APPLE] F9 on macbooks possible?
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Maccy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jorge Boscan Etura wrote: > >> Hi List >> >> I would like to know just that,it is possible to install properly F8 >> or F9 on an apple's macbook? >> >> > > Yes. > > Mark > > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > Of course, I don't exactly know how, but I've heard something about bootcamp, I'm not sure if that's what you should look at! -- Armin Past is history, Tomorrow is a mystery, But today is a gift. That's why it's called, present. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC9 ntpdate dependencies problem?
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:50:53 -0800, Kam Leo wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Marco DELMASTRO > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > the last FC9 bugfix update is apparently not working because of a dependency > > problem: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# yum update > > > > Resolving Dependencies > > --> Running transaction check > > ---> Package ntpdate.i386 0:4.2.4p5-2.fc9 set to be updated > > --> Processing Dependency: ntpdate = 4.2.4p4-7.fc9 for package: ntp > > --> Finished Dependency Resolution > > ntp-4.2.4p4-7.fc9.i386 from installed has depsolving problems > > --> Missing Dependency: ntpdate = 4.2.4p4-7.fc9 is needed by package > > ntp-4.2.4p4-7.fc9.i386 (installed) > > Error: Missing Dependency: ntpdate = 4.2.4p4-7.fc9 is needed by package > > ntp-4.2.4p4-7.fc9.i386 (installed) > > > > Any clue about how to solve this? > > > > Thanks, cheers, M.D. > > -- > > - > > Marco DELMASTRO > > A newer version of ntp is available. Your repo mirror is probably a > little behind. Run yum update again! ntpdate is built from the ntp src.rpm, so both packages are updated at once: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F9/FEDORA-2008-8732 It would be strange if any mirror got only a partial set of the ntp* binary rpms (and if the repo metadata covered only that partial set). Please check that you don't have any duplicate packages installed. (package-cleanup --cleandupes) In case of problems like this, please *always* show the relevant RPM/Yum queries, such as: rpm -qa ntp\* and yum list ntp\* -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
changing hdparm default values
I've changed some HD values on my laptop, due to the clicking issue of hard disks. The thing is that every time I reboot I have to pass againg the values I want with hdparm, and I can't find where to configure the default values of hdparm in Fedora 9. /etc/hdparm.conf doesn't exist, and I found nothing in /etc/sysconfig/. I know I can put the hdparm lines I want in /etc/rc.local and they will get executed after booting, but I don't see this as an elegant solution. Any ideas? -- Martín Marqués select 'martin.marques' || '@' || 'gmail.com' DBA, Programador, Administrador -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Update Problems
Running F9, the administrative -> update option no longer works. When I click for details, I get the message "cannot update whilst offline". I have network access. How do I make updates think that it is online? Also, what is the difference between running the console command yum update and doing an update via the administrative desktop? Thanks. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?
Fred Silsbee wrote: > > other than "hide a panel", what is missing > Auto-hide is back!!! I just discovered it under panel properties/more settings. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: flash and firefox again
Frank Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > That's a thought. I have never been able to watch CNN videos on > this dual-core machine, even with Flash 10, but they work on the > single-core machine that's sitting beside it. Both running F8. Another data point. Flash-10 works fine for me at www.cnn.com on this 4-core amd phenom computer (w. f9/64-bit with current yum updates). I wonder what the difference is. Do you by any chance have libflashsupport installed? (I don't.) -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht http://www.full-steam.org/ (ipv6-only) You may need to config 6to4 to see the above pages. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fdisk and labels
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 6:38 AM, Trapper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, mount -l gives me output but mount -l | grep dev | egrep -v
> 'tmpfs|pts' | awk '{print $1"\t" $3"\t" $5"\t" $6"\t" $7}' gives me
> nothing at all.
The one-liner reads info from mounted partitions only.
You may need to adjust the order of the output columns in the print section.
Awk picks up whatever you tell it to get from the mount -l output.
The script you found is pretty nice though, because it gets a partition's
info whether is mounted or not.
~af
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Re: Wireless, Broadcom
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:05:52 -0400 Vincent Onelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I try several direction from suggestion received from the network, but > so far I have felled, I try the ndiswrapper the bc43legacy, however, > last one from "dnmouse.org/broadcom.html" I got a little further, for > the first time I was able to activate the network, but still will not > connect. > During the activation it show this message: "Error for wireless > request "Set mode" (8B06) Set failed on device Wlan0; invalid > argument" any of you great people have some idea what it mean. > I will appreciate any help since I have no clue > Thank you > Vinny > > > Have you tried broadcom's native linux driver? It's available on their website. i'm using it under ubuntu. rick b. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fdisk and labels
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Trapper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Somewhere along the line I saw a small script that provides a
display of
label information as a part of "fdisk -l" results. My searches have
proved
fruitless. Anyone recall such a script?
ValHolla, on the web forum offered this solution which apparently
provides the linux labels on all connected hard drives. It works well
here. Here's his script:
#!/bin/bash
OFS=${IFS}
IFS=$'\n'
printf "%-20s %-20s %-20s\n" "Device" "Type" "Volume"
for part in $(fdisk -l 2>/dev/null |grep "^/dev/" |awk '{print $1,$NF}');do
dev=$(echo ${part} |cut -d " " -f1)
devtype=$(echo ${part} |cut -d " " -f2)
volume=$(tune2fs -l ${dev} 2>/dev/null |grep "volume name" |awk -F
' ' '{print $NF}')
if [ -z ${volume} ];then
volume="no label"
fi
printf "%-20s %-20s %-20s\n" $dev $devtype $volume
done
IFS=${OFS}
Note on the line beginning with volume=$(tune2fs you may have word
wrap. ' '{print $NF}') is end of line.
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Re: FC9 ntpdate dependencies problem?
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Marco DELMASTRO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi there, > > the last FC9 bugfix update is apparently not working because of a dependency > problem: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# yum update > > Resolving Dependencies > --> Running transaction check > ---> Package ntpdate.i386 0:4.2.4p5-2.fc9 set to be updated > --> Processing Dependency: ntpdate = 4.2.4p4-7.fc9 for package: ntp > --> Finished Dependency Resolution > ntp-4.2.4p4-7.fc9.i386 from installed has depsolving problems > --> Missing Dependency: ntpdate = 4.2.4p4-7.fc9 is needed by package > ntp-4.2.4p4-7.fc9.i386 (installed) > Error: Missing Dependency: ntpdate = 4.2.4p4-7.fc9 is needed by package > ntp-4.2.4p4-7.fc9.i386 (installed) > > Any clue about how to solve this? > > Thanks, cheers, M.D. > -- > - > Marco DELMASTRO A newer version of ntp is available. Your repo mirror is probably a little behind. Run yum update again! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
FC9 ntpdate dependencies problem?
Hi there, the last FC9 bugfix update is apparently not working because of a dependency problem: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# yum update Resolving Dependencies --> Running transaction check ---> Package ntpdate.i386 0:4.2.4p5-2.fc9 set to be updated --> Processing Dependency: ntpdate = 4.2.4p4-7.fc9 for package: ntp --> Finished Dependency Resolution ntp-4.2.4p4-7.fc9.i386 from installed has depsolving problems --> Missing Dependency: ntpdate = 4.2.4p4-7.fc9 is needed by package ntp-4.2.4p4-7.fc9.i386 (installed) Error: Missing Dependency: ntpdate = 4.2.4p4-7.fc9 is needed by package ntp-4.2.4p4-7.fc9.i386 (installed) Any clue about how to solve this? Thanks, cheers, M.D. -- - Marco DELMASTRO Office:40-1-D08 CERN PH (ATLAS)Phone: +41 22 767 4831 CH-1211 Geneve 23 SwitzerlandFax: +41 22 767 8350 - -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?
--- On Tue, 10/21/08, Chris Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Chris Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ? > To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." > > Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 5:02 AM > Linuxguy123 wrote: > > Here is a comment from a recent KDE4.2 review: > > > > > > > The Desktop > > Plasma has most goals listed for inclusion in KDE4.2, > followed closely > > by KWin. Currently Plasma behaves somewhat unstable > and can crash while > > managing the plasmoids. With the default > “plasmoid” desktop setting, we > > can add the plasmoids, but the files/icons are not > supported, KDE3’s > > style. > > > === > > > > http://polishlinux.org/kde/quick-look-at-kde-42-svn/ > > > > > > Why can't we have files and icons on the desktop, > ala KDE3.x ? > > Because you haven't implemented it yet. > > KDE 4 was released as it was because most of the > interesting work required to > make a maintainable next-generation desktop environment > were done, and there was > no other way to force developers to get around to the > important but boring work > of porting existing features to the new architecture. > Fedora and other > fast-moving distributions adopted KDE 4 for this very > reason. > > I'm sure the KDE developers would welcome your patches. > > -- Chris > other than "hide a panel", what is missing I just got 4.1.2 and it looks great One must go to the Fedora kde icon to get options but... > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
yum update, 66 items, no problems ...good work!
tried Konqueror since I'd heard about it on this "forum" "general error" on a CNN video new KDE 4.1.2 looks great! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: MYSQL setup
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 6:20 AM, woodson2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks, I was able to fix the problem by removing the /var/lib/mysql > directory. Apparently this keeps the settings from a previous install. Bingo. Now you have a great mysql doc resource to help you out. ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [APPLE] F9 on macbooks possible?
Jorge Boscan Etura wrote: Hi List I would like to know just that,it is possible to install properly F8 or F9 on an apple's macbook? Yes. Mark -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: configure mount parameters in hotplug
lux wrote: > Hi > I often mount USB mannually via line from /etc/fstab > > /dev/sdb1 /mnt/USBG vfatnoauto,rw,users,shortname=mixed 0 0 > > is there a way to configure the parameters into hotplug? and let > hotplug handle usb mount. I mainly interesated in get "shortname=mixed" > in place. > > > thanks > Y > > You would be better off doing this in HAL. But if you do not want to mess with HAL, it would not be hard to create a udev rule to mount the drive using the fstab entry. Hotplug has been depreciated and I am not sure it even works any more. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
VMware start and hardreboot
Hi, I installed vmware and the any-any-patch like described in the list. vmmon compiles with many warnings, but it compiles :) But now if I try to start a vm quest system, my system does a hard reboot. I do not really find any neccesary in the logs so I do not how to debug this. Does anyone has the same problem like me? Thanks, all Greets, pat -- Patrick Kaiser URL: http://argonius.de EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RIPE: PK3264-RIPE -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: Wikimedia Ubuntu migration FAQ
>While these guys are free to choose whatever distro they want, I find >that they are seriously dragging the names of Fedora, RedHat and >Centos through the mud along the way. Not sure I see that, but it is funny that they tend not to favor Fedora for its bleeding edge nature (fair, that's why I play with it only on my desktop) but they don't like RHEL because its slow stable nature (Why my servers run CentOS). So maybe a slightly stable distro suits them:) Why update a raid driver that works w/o issue? But the backport statement makes more sense. Seems to be a valid FAQ but could use a polish in the wording... jlc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fc8 mysql libs brocken ??
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:12:35 +0200, Gregory Machin wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] pmacct-0.11.5]# yum list mysql-* > updates-newkey100% |=| 2.3 kB00:00 > fedora100% |=| 2.1 kB00:00 > adobe-linux-i386 100% |=| 972 B00:00 > updates 100% |=| 2.6 kB00:00 > Installed Packages > mysql.x86_64 5.0.45-6.fc8 installed > mysql-connector-java.x86_64 1:3.1.12-3.fc6 installed > mysql-devel.x86_64 5.0.45-6.fc8 installed > mysql-libs.x86_645.0.45-6.fc8 installed > > with only 64bit > > I'm back at this error > checking whether to enable MySQL support... checking how to run the C > preprocessor... (cached) gcc -E > yes > checking default locations for libmysqlclient... not found > checking for mysql_real_connect in -lmysqlclient... no > configure: error: Show the relevant section of "config.log", and also show what parameters you passed to "configure". Did you set --libdir=/usr/lib64? It's likely that it looked for libmysqlclient in /usr/lib/mysql instead of /usr/lib64/mysql. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 06:20 -0400, Linuxguy123 wrote: > I've been using Linux since Redhat 8. *NOTHING* that has happened > since then has ever rocked my expectations of Linux as much as KDE4 has. I have faith that you will eventually get over it. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?
Linuxguy123 wrote: > Here is a comment from a recent KDE4.2 review: > The Desktop > ... With the default “plasmoid” desktop setting, we > can add the plasmoids, but the files/icons are not supported, KDE3’s > style. > http://polishlinux.org/kde/quick-look-at-kde-42-svn/ > Why can't we have files and icons on the desktop, ala KDE3.x ? You can, you simply cut off the next sentence... "A plasmoid displaying the pointed-to folder contents has been added instead" -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Case of the disappearing flash-plugin symlink
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 01:52 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:27 PM, Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 23:24 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > >> It seems like every boot/reboot, the flash-plugin symlink created by > >> the post-install script of the flash-plugin RPM gets deleted. This of > >> course leads to flash not working in Firefox. The laziest fix is to > >> `yum -y reinstall flash-plugin`. > >> > >> Any ideas on what could be causing this? I know for sure that SELinux > >> is enabled on this machine, but I have no reason yet to suspect it. > > > > the problem with Flash, FF and Fedora 9 seems to be the automatic launch > > at startup. > > > > If it doesn't 'restore' and startup automatically, then flash will work > > without issue. > > > So would simply quitting Firefox and relaunching fix this? Or do I > have to disable the auto startup feature? If you press - you get the kill pointer (probably has some other name) and just kill Firefox by clicking on it. Wait 10 seconds, launch Firefox, tell it to 'Restore Session' and Flash works this time. I found it easier to just close out Firefox when I shutdown. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: flash and firefox again
Frank Cox wrote, On 10/20/2008 10:50 PM: On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:10:57 -0500 Richard Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I didn't find anything helpful with a quick Google search for "flash 10 multitheaded" but maybe it is an issue with multi-core machines? That's a thought. I have never been able to watch CNN videos on this dual-core machine, even with Flash 10, but they work on the single-core machine that's sitting beside it. Both running F8. have you considered/ever tried forcing flash &| the browser &| X processes to operate only on one processor (core) with taskset, just to see if it may be a context switching/processor cache bashing problem? I have noticed on the dual Xeon 1.50GHz W/512MB I use, that if I lock X to the second processor, when visiting animated sites like http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?animate=true The whole system is smother and the animation is less glitchy. [with out locking X pulls ~85%cpu (of combined cpus), with locking X pulls ~10-50%cpu (of combined cpus), on that page after it self reloads.] -- Todd Denniston Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fc8 mysql libs brocken ??
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:40:06AM +0200, Gregory Machin wrote:
> They are installed ...
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] pmacct-0.11.5]# rpm -qa --qf
> "%{name}-%{version}-%{release}.%{arch} \n" | grep mysql
> mysql-libs-5.0.45-6.fc8.i386
> mysql-connector-java-3.1.12-3.fc6.x86_64
> mysql-devel-5.0.45-6.fc8.i386
> mysql-5.0.45-6.fc8.x86_64
> mysql-libs-5.0.45-6.fc8.x86_64
Others already pointed out that there is no mysql-devel.x86_64 in this
list. To install:
yum install mysql-devel.x86_64
> with both libs installed configure is happy
> PLATFORM . : x86_64
> OS ... : Linux 2.6.25.14-69.fc8
> (gregory-workstation.techconcepts.co.za)
> COMPILER . : gcc
> CFLAGS ... : -O2
> LIBS . : -lpcap -L/usr/lib/mysql -lmysqlclient -lsqlite3 -lm
> -lz -lpthread -lnfprobe_plugin -Lnfprobe_plugin/ -lsfprobe_plugin
> -Lsfprobe_plugin/
> LDFLAGS .. : -Wl,--export-dynamic
Probably due to the missing mysql-devel.x86_64 , the configure script
finds the library in /usr/lib/mysql instead of /usr/lib64/mysql . But
there is of course a chance that the /usr/lib is hardcoded in the
configuration.
>
> Now type 'make' to compile the source code.
>
> but make dies
Basically, the configure script just looked for filenames and was
satisfied with /usr/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.so . But the linker
actually looks at the files, and noticed it was a 32-bit version and not
a native 64-bit library required for the compilation.
To summarize: yum install mysql-devel.x86_64 and check the configure
script for hardcoded references to /usr/lib (still all too common,
unfortunately).
David Jansen
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[APPLE] F9 on macbooks possible?
Hi List I would like to know just that,it is possible to install properly F8 or F9 on an apple's macbook? Best regards, -- [Jorge J. Boscán Etura] quando omni flunkus moritatus -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?
On Monday 20 October 2008 23:50, Linuxguy123 wrote: > Why can't we have files and icons on the desktop, ala KDE3.x ? You can. Use folder-view widget, and point it to the Desktop folder under your home directory. However... It could be argued that files and icons do not belong on the desktop, but rather in home directory. It could also be argued that one should use a file manager rather then desktop manager to manipulate files, while the desktop manager should be better suited to manipulate the desktop. It could further be argued that files and icons were already present on the desktop up to KDE 3.5 and that this was demonstrated to be a Bad Habbit, since the desktop usually becomes cluttered beyond any usability after some time. Finally, it could be argued that using plasmoids on the desktop rather than keeping icons on it enhances its usability. I know that forcing people to change their habbits is very painful in general, invites a horrific amount of bitching and moaning, but --- as for example with taking bitter-tasting medications, learning math in school, using selinux --- it is for their own good. I would suggest that you put some effort in getting yourself disciplined in having a directory hierarchy under your home dir to put files, and put plasmoids/widgets on the desktop. OTOH, if you really really really absolutely need files and icons on the desktop, use folder-view widget. After a while you might get interested in having two or more folder-view widgets on the desktop showing the contents of several different directories, and then you might apreciate the hard-work of the KDE4 developers who made such a thing possible. In KDE 3.5 you are limited to just one folder, just like for ex. in Windows you are limited to just one desktop. Once you find out about the Better Way, you'll never look back... ;-) HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Andrew Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:02 AM, Chris Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Linuxguy123 wrote: >>> >>> Here is a comment from a recent KDE4.2 review: >>> >>> >>> >>> The Desktop >>> Plasma has most goals listed for inclusion in KDE4.2, followed closely >>> by KWin. Currently Plasma behaves somewhat unstable and can crash while >>> managing the plasmoids. With the default "plasmoid" desktop setting, we >>> can add the plasmoids, but the files/icons are not supported, KDE3's >>> style. >>> >>> === >>> >>> http://polishlinux.org/kde/quick-look-at-kde-42-svn/ >>> >>> >>> Why can't we have files and icons on the desktop, ala KDE3.x ? >> >> Because you haven't implemented it yet. > > Actually, you can put files on the desktop. You need to drag them > from dolphin, or somewhere, whilst the widgets are unlocked. > > Its not the same as putting files in your Desktop directory, but you > could always add a folder view of that directory to the desktop. Yes I use the same (dragging and dropping on desktop). I don't use the Folder View Plasmoid. Thanks, Anoop > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: help with old BSD mail commands
Dave Encisco wrote, On 10/20/2008 05:42 PM: Hi, I just migrated an old Solaris server to a new machine running Fedora. Unfortunately one of my users is blind and dependent on using the BSD mail command. Fortunately that still works for him, but he also was used to using the BSD "from" command that lists newly arrived mail and/or the nfrm command that was part of elm. Can someone point me to the equivalent for Linux. My user is dependent on line-command and Mutt and Pine do not work for him. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated...and save me a lot of time. Sincerely, Dave http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elm_email_client has a link at the bottom to a copy of the source. and/or you could grab an src.rpm from http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=elm and then build that on fedora. Elm Millennium Edition might be interesting for you http://freshmeat.net/projects/elmme/ and they include a src.rpm http://freshmeat.net/redir/elmme/28280/url_rpm/elm-2.4ME+124-1.mdk7.2.src.rpm I don't and have not used elm, but apparently resources are still out there if you know where to look. If you want the 'BSD "from" command' you would have to have more information on it to do a search that finds anything. (your email is the first thing that that comes up in a http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=from.command+nfrm+bsd+mail+&btnG=Search search.) Please note: Emails authored under this address do not reflect the opinions of my employer unless otherwise stated. Come now, do they even then? :) -- Todd Denniston Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter Even when this disclaimer is not here, the opinions expressed by me are not necessarily sanctioned by and do not necessarily represent those of my employer. Also even when this disclaimer is not here, I DO NOT have authority to direct you in any way to alter your contractual obligation and my email can NOT be used as direction to modify a contract. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:02 AM, Chris Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Linuxguy123 wrote: >> >> Here is a comment from a recent KDE4.2 review: >> >> >> >> The Desktop >> Plasma has most goals listed for inclusion in KDE4.2, followed closely >> by KWin. Currently Plasma behaves somewhat unstable and can crash while >> managing the plasmoids. With the default "plasmoid" desktop setting, we >> can add the plasmoids, but the files/icons are not supported, KDE3's >> style. >> >> === >> >> http://polishlinux.org/kde/quick-look-at-kde-42-svn/ >> >> >> Why can't we have files and icons on the desktop, ala KDE3.x ? > > Because you haven't implemented it yet. Actually, you can put files on the desktop. You need to drag them from dolphin, or somewhere, whilst the widgets are unlocked. Its not the same as putting files in your Desktop directory, but you could always add a folder view of that directory to the desktop. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?
On Tuesday 21 October 2008 00:50:46 Linuxguy123 wrote: > Why can't we have files and icons on the desktop, ala KDE3.x ? You can on kde 4.1 for folder view plasmoids. kde 4.2 will allow this plasmoid to fill the whole screen. If you want a reason this is so we can search on the internet. A good place to start is Aaron Seigo's blog. Among other posts this is discussed here: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/05/no-more-desktop-icons-in-41.html -- José Abílio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: MYSQL setup
Thanks, I was able to fix the problem by removing the /var/lib/mysql directory. Apparently this keeps the settings from a previous install. Aldo Foot wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Fred Zinsli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> You may also want to check out this article >> >> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html > > In particular, don't forget to "FLUSH PRIVILEGES;" > > ~af > > . > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/MYSQL-setup-tp20076569p20090176.html Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?
2008/10/21 Patrick O'Callaghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Do we have to go over all this yet again? The whole topic has been done > to death on this list several times. In a nutshell: if you're using > Fedora you're a *TESTER*. You have plenty of other distros to choose > from if that doesn't suit you. Seriously. Just remember that the > stability of those other distros is due in large part to the testing > that the Fedora community (i.e. you and me and the rest of us) does on > bleeding-edge stuff. I wouldn't probably say that the users are primarily testers, but getting to use new stuff sooner than the users of some other distros is certainly one aspect of Fedora. Another important factor is the reluctancy to include a lot of backwards-compatibility stuff, like older versions of certain libraries, for example. If the fast-paced and "living" nature of Fedora doesn't suit, it's certainly wise to consider using a more conservative distribution. -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?
2008/10/21 Linuxguy123 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Why can't we have files and icons on the desktop, ala KDE3.x ? > You can, but someone has to create the functionality before it can be used. In the meantime, why can't you just use the folderview widget? If you make it big enough, it is functionally very close to the old desktop. The KDE developers have the desktop already working very well, though certainly not all the features from KDE 3 series are in. Some of them probably never will be, but I can't see why they'd have to be. -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 06:20 -0400, Linuxguy123 wrote: > On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 01:02 -0400, Chris Snook wrote: > > Linuxguy123 wrote: > > > Here is a comment from a recent KDE4.2 review: > > > > > > > > > The Desktop > > > Plasma has most goals listed for inclusion in KDE4.2, followed closely > > > by KWin. Currently Plasma behaves somewhat unstable and can crash while > > > managing the plasmoids. With the default “plasmoid” desktop setting, we > > > can add the plasmoids, but the files/icons are not supported, KDE3’s > > > style. > > > === > > > > > > http://polishlinux.org/kde/quick-look-at-kde-42-svn/ > > > > > > > > > Why can't we have files and icons on the desktop, ala KDE3.x ? > > > > Because you haven't implemented it yet. > > > > KDE 4 was released as it was because most of the interesting work required > > to > > make a maintainable next-generation desktop environment were done, and > > there was > > no other way to force developers to get around to the important but boring > > work > > of porting existing features to the new architecture. Fedora and other > > fast-moving distributions adopted KDE 4 for this very reason. > > > > I'm sure the KDE developers would welcome your patches. > > The problem with that is I'm a KDE *USER*, not a KDE *DEVELOPER*. There > is a difference. I don't have time to write code for the desktop > manager that I use in my day to day work. Do we have to go over all this yet again? The whole topic has been done to death on this list several times. In a nutshell: if you're using Fedora you're a *TESTER*. You have plenty of other distros to choose from if that doesn't suit you. Seriously. Just remember that the stability of those other distros is due in large part to the testing that the Fedora community (i.e. you and me and the rest of us) does on bleeding-edge stuff. > "and there was no other way to force developers to get around to the > important but boring work of porting existing features to the new > architecture." > > Then we have a problem, don't we. Actually it's you who has the problem, and also the solution. > We have this group of people called > users that need these boring, existing features. > > I've been using Linux since Redhat 8. *NOTHING* that has happened > since then has ever rocked my expectations of Linux as much as KDE4 has. If your "expectations of Linux" are rocked, you have misunderstood what Linux is (Linux is not Fedora), what Fedora is (Fedora is not guaranteed to be stable), and what KDE is (KDE is not Linux either). poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 01:02 -0400, Chris Snook wrote: > Linuxguy123 wrote: > > Here is a comment from a recent KDE4.2 review: > > > > > > The Desktop > > Plasma has most goals listed for inclusion in KDE4.2, followed closely > > by KWin. Currently Plasma behaves somewhat unstable and can crash while > > managing the plasmoids. With the default “plasmoid” desktop setting, we > > can add the plasmoids, but the files/icons are not supported, KDE3’s > > style. > > === > > > > http://polishlinux.org/kde/quick-look-at-kde-42-svn/ > > > > > > Why can't we have files and icons on the desktop, ala KDE3.x ? > > Because you haven't implemented it yet. > > KDE 4 was released as it was because most of the interesting work required to > make a maintainable next-generation desktop environment were done, and there > was > no other way to force developers to get around to the important but boring > work > of porting existing features to the new architecture. Fedora and other > fast-moving distributions adopted KDE 4 for this very reason. > > I'm sure the KDE developers would welcome your patches. The problem with that is I'm a KDE *USER*, not a KDE *DEVELOPER*. There is a difference. I don't have time to write code for the desktop manager that I use in my day to day work. "and there was no other way to force developers to get around to the important but boring work of porting existing features to the new architecture." Then we have a problem, don't we. We have this group of people called users that need these boring, existing features. I've been using Linux since Redhat 8. *NOTHING* that has happened since then has ever rocked my expectations of Linux as much as KDE4 has. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Xen and the Art of Ticking me off.....
Maybe off topic, but I'm sure if this really is an issue for the Xen
team yet. I have a F8 xen host that has been running flawlessly for
over a year now.
Late last week I setup a new guest OS (F9) and that worked perfectly.
It went without a single hitch. Everything worked fine.
Yesterday I deleted the new guest OS I had just built because the
software the customer wants to use isn't supported on F9 yet, so I had
to blow it away and go with F8 instead.
Now, I did a 'xm delete mtg' to delete the domain (after shutting down)
and then went to virt-install to install the new guest.
But instead of getting an install I get this:
Domain installation may not have been
successful. If it was, you can restart your domain
by running 'virsh start geeks'; otherwise, please
restart your installation.
Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:12:35 ERRORvirDomainLookupByID() failed GET
operation failed: xend_get: error from xen daemon:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/sbin/virt-install", line 502, in
main()
File "/usr/sbin/virt-install", line 462, in main
dom = guest.start_install(conscb,progresscb)
File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/virtinst/Guest.py", line 813,
in start_install
return self._do_install(consolecb, meter)
File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/virtinst/Guest.py", line 829,
in _do_install
self._create_devices(meter)
File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/virtinst/Guest.py", line 727,
in _create_devices
nic.setup(self.conn)
File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/virtinst/Guest.py", line 281,
in setup
vm = conn.lookupByID(id)
File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/libvirt.py", line 920, in
lookupByID
if ret is None:raise libvirtError('virDomainLookupByID() failed',
conn=self)
libvirtError: virDomainLookupByID() failed GET operation failed:
xend_get: error from xen daemon:
I've googled this and I read where they thought the xend isn't running,
but it is, I have 2 other guests still running.
Another suggestion was to shutdown the virbr0 interface and try it, no
go. What I don't understand is what the hell happened between Friday
and Monday.
Any ideas?
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Re: fc8 mysql libs brocken ??
[EMAIL PROTECTED] pmacct-0.11.5]# yum list mysql-*
updates-newkey100% |=| 2.3 kB00:00
fedora100% |=| 2.1 kB00:00
adobe-linux-i386 100% |=| 972 B00:00
updates 100% |=| 2.6 kB00:00
Installed Packages
mysql.x86_64 5.0.45-6.fc8 installed
mysql-connector-java.x86_64 1:3.1.12-3.fc6 installed
mysql-devel.x86_64 5.0.45-6.fc8 installed
mysql-libs.x86_645.0.45-6.fc8 installed
with only 64bit
I'm back at this error
checking whether to enable MySQL support... checking how to run the C
preprocessor... (cached) gcc -E
yes
checking default locations for libmysqlclient... not found
checking for mysql_real_connect in -lmysqlclient... no
configure: error:
ERROR: missing MySQL client library. Refer to: http://www.mysql.com/
not good Iv tried the --with-msql=/ for both i386
and 64bit and the error is the same as above ... I'm lost ...
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Paulo Cavalcanti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Gregory Machin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> tried setarch
>> tried addinf devel.x86_64
>> and tried setarch x86_64
>>
>> and still get the following ...
>>
>> probe_plugin -Lnfprobe_plugin/ -lsfprobe_plugin -Lsfprobe_plugin/
>> /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.so
>> when searching for -lmysqlclient
>> /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.a
>> when searching for -lmysqlclient
>> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmysqlclient
>> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>> gmake[2]: *** [pmacct] Error 1
>> gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/data/apps/pmacct/pmacct-0.11.5/src'
>> gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
>> gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/data/apps/pmacct/pmacct-0.11.5/src'
>> make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
>>
>>
>> 2008/10/21 Michael Schwendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> > On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:40:06 +0200, Gregory Machin wrote:
>> >
>> >> They are installed ...
>> >>
>> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] pmacct-0.11.5]# rpm -qa --qf
>> >> "%{name}-%{version}-%{release}.%{arch} \n" | grep mysql
>> >> mysql-libs-5.0.45-6.fc8.i386
>> >> mysql-connector-java-3.1.12-3.fc6.x86_64
>> >> mysql-devel-5.0.45-6.fc8.i386
>> >> mysql-5.0.45-6.fc8.x86_64
>> >> mysql-libs-5.0.45-6.fc8.x86_64
>> >>
>> >> with both libs installed configure is happy
>> >> PLATFORM . : x86_64
>> >
>> > You only have the i386 mysql-devel. Build with setarch i386.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>
> Install
>
> mysql-devel-5.0.45-6.fc8.x86_64
>
> and try again. I also would remove the i386 devel package.
>
>
>
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Re: out of range
craig/other: how do i do this? >>> I too am using a Shuttle...something like an SN41G2 which has built-in nvidia but as far as I know, nvidia has yet to release a proprietary blob binary driver for it (9600). Therefore, I just set my vidia card to the xorg 'nv' driver (system-config-display) and then higher resolutions (1280x1024) display options are available. Craig >>> Craig White wrote: On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 18:40 -0400, barclay982 wrote: it's on-board (motherboard, it's a shuttle pc) Craig White wrote: On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 18:09 -0400, barclay982 wrote: i got to the 'setup' menu and could only choose 800x600 or 640x480, and tried to choose generic lcd as opposed to generic crt; it the seemed to save some changes but when i rebooted it went to 'out of range' after grub/boot; also, you might want to post the output of 'lspci -v' to the list so we can help with configuring your video card settings I too am using a Shuttle...something like an SN41G2 which has built-in nvidia but as far as I know, nvidia has yet to release a proprietary blob binary driver for it (9600). Therefore, I just set my vidia card to the xorg 'nv' driver (system-config-display) and then higher resolutions (1280x1024) display options are available. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora9 - Citrix Client
hopefully this will help me http://weblog.failure.net/archives/2008/05/citrix_ica_clie_1.html That page seems familiar to me. I may have used it to get the f8 install going (but I didn't like the --nodeps option, hence the modifying of the rpm - I seem to recall there was 1 file openmotif installed that X also installs, so I just needed to get rid of that file in the openmotif rpm). i used that how-to and although bad(tm) i did the nodeps thing, so far its OK so i am happy enough thanks -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: services wizard
Phil Meyer wrote: Mike Chambers wrote: Hi there, Was thinking and wondering, if it would be good to have configuration wizards for services that you want to configure (such as email server (sendmail/postfix), http, and so on) that would ask basic questions and would go certain directions (or just one way) depending on how much you answer? These are the 'wizard' type tools currently available in Fedora 9. # yum install system-config- You will notice that httpd is there, along with bind, nfs, samba, and vsftpd. system-config-audit system-config-bind system-config-boot system-config-cluster system-config-date system-config-display system-config-firewall system-config-firewall-tui system-config-httpd system-config-kdump system-config-keyboard system-config-kickstart system-config-language system-config-lvm system-config-netboot-cmd system-config-netboot system-config-network system-config-network-tui system-config-nfs system-config-printer-libs system-config-printer system-config-rootpassword system-config-samba system-config-services system-config-users system-config-vsftpd There is no wizard, currently, for sendmail. However, editing the /etc/mail/sendmail.mc file, and generating a good sendmail.cf with make, is almost trivial. The various, many, and often obfuscated, options for postfix configurations could, at present, never be managed in a GUI. I would state, without any desire to condescend or berate new users, that sendmail and postfix are not tools for users, but are considered administrative. Just as my 83 year old dad would never consider setting up a windows domain server and a windows exchange server, nor should he ever consider setting up a sendmail or postfix server by himself. The fact that it can be done without monetary cost, does not mean that it should be attempted. An open email relay is almost always the result of uneducated tampering, and constitutes a clear and present danger to all who use the Internet. For these, and other more well reasoned reasons, you may never see the types of tools a new user would need to set up an email server. As email server software is improved upon, and if there is ever such a thing as a good way to meet most demands, then we may see such tools. It is frustrating, and I share that frustration with the lack of useful tools for those things that I am unfamiliar with. Lack of documentation, however, is the worst of sins in IT, and fortunately there is no lack of documentation for configuring sendmail and postfix. Spend the time and make of yourself an expert. It can be rewarding, and it may be necessary to accomplish what you want. Good Luck! Thanks!! Great pointers! This might make my admin work easier as I build boxes, cause I did not know about the system-config- capabilities!!! Wooo hooo!! bob -- === Don't let the past remind us of what we are not now. CSN -Suite for.. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fc8 mysql libs brocken ??
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Gregory Machin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> tried setarch
> tried addinf devel.x86_64
> and tried setarch x86_64
>
> and still get the following ...
>
> probe_plugin -Lnfprobe_plugin/ -lsfprobe_plugin -Lsfprobe_plugin/
> /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.so
> when searching for -lmysqlclient
> /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.a
> when searching for -lmysqlclient
> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmysqlclient
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> gmake[2]: *** [pmacct] Error 1
> gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/data/apps/pmacct/pmacct-0.11.5/src'
> gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/data/apps/pmacct/pmacct-0.11.5/src'
> make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
>
>
> 2008/10/21 Michael Schwendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:40:06 +0200, Gregory Machin wrote:
> >
> >> They are installed ...
> >>
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] pmacct-0.11.5]# rpm -qa --qf
> >> "%{name}-%{version}-%{release}.%{arch} \n" | grep mysql
> >> mysql-libs-5.0.45-6.fc8.i386
> >> mysql-connector-java-3.1.12-3.fc6.x86_64
> >> mysql-devel-5.0.45-6.fc8.i386
> >> mysql-5.0.45-6.fc8.x86_64
> >> mysql-libs-5.0.45-6.fc8.x86_64
> >>
> >> with both libs installed configure is happy
> >> PLATFORM . : x86_64
> >
> > You only have the i386 mysql-devel. Build with setarch i386.
> >
> > --
> >
>
Install
mysql-devel-5.0.45-6.fc8.x86_64
and try again. I also would remove the i386 devel package.
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Re: fc8 mysql libs brocken ??
tried setarch
tried addinf devel.x86_64
and tried setarch x86_64
and still get the following ...
probe_plugin -Lnfprobe_plugin/ -lsfprobe_plugin -Lsfprobe_plugin/
/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.so
when searching for -lmysqlclient
/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.a
when searching for -lmysqlclient
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmysqlclient
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
gmake[2]: *** [pmacct] Error 1
gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/data/apps/pmacct/pmacct-0.11.5/src'
gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/data/apps/pmacct/pmacct-0.11.5/src'
make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
2008/10/21 Michael Schwendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:40:06 +0200, Gregory Machin wrote:
>
>> They are installed ...
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] pmacct-0.11.5]# rpm -qa --qf
>> "%{name}-%{version}-%{release}.%{arch} \n" | grep mysql
>> mysql-libs-5.0.45-6.fc8.i386
>> mysql-connector-java-3.1.12-3.fc6.x86_64
>> mysql-devel-5.0.45-6.fc8.i386
>> mysql-5.0.45-6.fc8.x86_64
>> mysql-libs-5.0.45-6.fc8.x86_64
>>
>> with both libs installed configure is happy
>> PLATFORM . : x86_64
>
> You only have the i386 mysql-devel. Build with setarch i386.
>
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Re: fc8 mysql libs brocken ??
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:40:06 +0200, Gregory Machin wrote:
> They are installed ...
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] pmacct-0.11.5]# rpm -qa --qf
> "%{name}-%{version}-%{release}.%{arch} \n" | grep mysql
> mysql-libs-5.0.45-6.fc8.i386
> mysql-connector-java-3.1.12-3.fc6.x86_64
> mysql-devel-5.0.45-6.fc8.i386
> mysql-5.0.45-6.fc8.x86_64
> mysql-libs-5.0.45-6.fc8.x86_64
>
> with both libs installed configure is happy
> PLATFORM . : x86_64
You only have the i386 mysql-devel. Build with setarch i386.
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Re: fc8 mysql libs brocken ??
They are installed ...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] pmacct-0.11.5]# rpm -qa --qf
"%{name}-%{version}-%{release}.%{arch} \n" | grep mysql
mysql-libs-5.0.45-6.fc8.i386
mysql-connector-java-3.1.12-3.fc6.x86_64
mysql-devel-5.0.45-6.fc8.i386
mysql-5.0.45-6.fc8.x86_64
mysql-libs-5.0.45-6.fc8.x86_64
with both libs installed configure is happy
PLATFORM . : x86_64
OS ... : Linux 2.6.25.14-69.fc8 (gregory-workstation.techconcepts.co.za)
COMPILER . : gcc
CFLAGS ... : -O2
LIBS . : -lpcap -L/usr/lib/mysql -lmysqlclient -lsqlite3 -lm
-lz -lpthread -lnfprobe_plugin -Lnfprobe_plugin/ -lsfprobe_plugin
-Lsfprobe_plugin/
LDFLAGS .. : -Wl,--export-dynamic
Now type 'make' to compile the source code.
but make dies
gmake[1]: Entering directory `/data/apps/pmacct/pmacct-0.11.5/src'
Making all in nfprobe_plugin
gmake[2]: Entering directory
`/data/apps/pmacct/pmacct-0.11.5/src/nfprobe_plugin'
gmake[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/data/apps/pmacct/pmacct-0.11.5/src/nfprobe_plugin'
Making all in sfprobe_plugin
gmake[2]: Entering directory
`/data/apps/pmacct/pmacct-0.11.5/src/sfprobe_plugin'
gmake[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/data/apps/pmacct/pmacct-0.11.5/src/sfprobe_plugin'
gmake[2]: Entering directory `/data/apps/pmacct/pmacct-0.11.5/src'
gcc -O2 -Wl,--export-dynamic -o pmacct pmacct.o strlcpy.o addr.o
-lpcap -L/usr/lib/mysql -lmysqlclient -lsqlite3 -lm -lz -lpthread
-lnfprobe_plugin -Lnfprobe_plugin/ -lsfprobe_plugin -Lsfprobe_plugin/
/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.so
when searching for -lmysqlclient
/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.a
when searching for -lmysqlclient
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmysqlclient
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
gmake[2]: *** [pmacct] Error 1
gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/data/apps/pmacct/pmacct-0.11.5/src'
gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/data/apps/pmacct/pmacct-0.11.5/src'
make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Paulo Cavalcanti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:12 AM, Gregory Machin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> No issues found
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# package-cleanup --clean
>> Setting up yum
>> No dupes to clean
>>
>
> It seems to me that you do not have the 64 bit libraries.
>
> Try:
>
> rpm -qa --qf "%{name}-%{version}-%{release}.%{arch} \n" | grep mysql
>
>
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Re: fc8 mysql libs brocken ??
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:12 AM, Gregory Machin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No issues found
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# package-cleanup --clean
> Setting up yum
> No dupes to clean
>
>
It seems to me that you do not have the 64 bit libraries.
Try:
rpm -qa --qf "%{name}-%{version}-%{release}.%{arch} \n" | grep mysql
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F8: gnome panel: shutdown applet: restart does not restart
Hello there, I noticed that clicking the Shutdown applet in the GNOME panel of my Fedora 8, then choosing Restart, does return to the GDM graphical login screen instead of restarting the computer (Dell D810 laptop, up-to-date packages from official repos). I presume this is not expected, does anybody reproduce it or have any clue about the possible problem involved? A tiny visual issue: when the Shutdown dialog appears (where you choose Suspend, Hibernate, Restart, etc.), the text "Shut down this system now?" is drawn with a fat bold font then it's repainted within the next second (after showing disk activity) in a less big font. Funny :-). Regards, -- wwp signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: flash and firefox again
kwhiskerz gmail.com> writes: > I haven't tried it on my laptop, but on my desktop (Intel dual core), the new flash 10 produces choppy video, I am running F8 in a dual core machine with the latest flash 10 and KDE. CNN video plays just fine on this machine so I don't think that the problem is related to dual core machines. Possibly it may be specific to particular graphics hardware and driver? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: New Lenovo thinkpad W700 and Fedora ?
Dnia 2008-10-20, pon o godzinie 16:13 -0600, kevin kempter pisze: > I'm thinking about getting one of the new Lenovo W700 laptops, per > this laptop: > > - will Fedora 9 (and the latest kernel) support the "Intel WiFi Link > 5300 (AGN)" built-in wireless? Probably not. I don't see relevant kernel module with 2.6.26.5-45.fc9.x86_64. But it is supported with Fedora 10 kernel. > - will Fedora 9 suport the optional "Pantone Color Sensor" ? No idea. > - anyone have any thoughts per will the soundcard on this box work? Soundcard in my Thinkpad T400 works with Fedora 10. One more thing: until this week I couldn't install Fedora on my T400 because Intel graphic chip was too new and hung anaconda (and text mode didn't offer LVM & crypt configuration). So maybe you should look into installing Fedora 10 instead of 9. -- Tomasz Torcz -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Wikimedia Ubuntu migration FAQ
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:50 AM, Matthew Flaschen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Arthur Pemberton wrote: >> Wikimedia Ubuntu migration FAQ : >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Ubuntu_migration_FAQ >> >> While these guys are free to choose whatever distro they want, > > You should have stopped there. If you disagree with their FAQ, publish > your own. > >> I find that they are seriously dragging the names of Fedora, RedHat and >> Centos through the mud along the way. Especially considering that by >> their own admissions, they were running very dated versions of these >> distros. > > It seems like you didn't actually read the FAQ. They're not using > Fedora because they feel it's too bleeding edge. Updating to F10 would > hardly fix this. They were running dated versions of RHEL because in > their opinion the most recent version of RHEL is dated. Okay -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
