FC9 : Pb with sata_via adaptor and sata disk

2008-10-28 Thread Jean-Philippe Battu

Hello

On my linux box, I use a pci adaptor to provide sata port because my 
motherboard doesn't

have serial ata port. My sata adaptor is a :

# lspci
...
02:0b.0 RAID bus controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6421 IDE RAID 
Controller (rev 50)

...
#

When the system boots, the sata disk is well recognized. I can use fdisk 
and mkfs to build

a filesystem without any problems

But, when I try to mount this filesystems, I can see these errors in the 
/var/log/messages
kernel: EXT3-fs error (device sdc2): ext3_check_descriptors: Inode table 
for group 4 not in group (block 99331)!

kernel: EXT3-fs: group descriptors corrupted!

If I use mkfs.ext3 command instead mkfs, I can't see this message but only :
kernel: VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev sdc1

fdisk -l /dev/sdc   gives me:

Disk /dev/sdc: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x198a1989

  Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdc1   1   60789   488287611   83  Linux
/dev/sdc2   60790  121601   488472390   83  Linux

this disk has been worked well on another machine. Is there any problem with
the sata_via kernel modules:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# lsmod | grep sata
sata_uli7940  1
sata_via   10756  0
libata132328  6 
pata_ali,sata_uli,sata_via,ata_piix,ata_generic,pata_acpi

# modinfo sata_via
filename:   
/lib/modules/2.6.26.6-79.fc9.i686/kernel/drivers/ata/sata_via.ko

version:2.3
license:GPL
description:SCSI low-level driver for VIA SATA controllers
author: Jeff Garzik
srcversion: 4F5E9D4C56ABDD3C940464D
alias:  pci:v1106d7372sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1106d5372sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1106d5287sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1106d3249sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1106d3149sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1106d0591sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1106d5337sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
depends:libata
vermagic:   2.6.26.6-79.fc9.i686 SMP mod_unload 686 4KSTACKS
#

Thanks for your help if you can help me
Cheers

Jean-Philippe Battu

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Re: Fedora 9 32 or 64 Bit - Which One?

2008-10-28 Thread Kevin Kofler
Peter Boy  barkhof.uni-bremen.de> writes:
> > Matthew Flaschen wrote:
> > > Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > >
> > > For the average desktop user, 64-bit has little or no benefit and is not
> > > worth the hassles of dealing with incompatible proprietary code (and
> > > yes, there is a hassle).  

I did not write that. Matthew Flaschen did.

There is no hassle. Everything just works.

Kevin Kofler

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Re: 54 GB in /var/log!! -- UPDATE

2008-10-28 Thread Mike Chambers
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 19:58 +, Beartooth wrote:

>   The printer (an HP PSC 1315v, also USB)) has been in one of those 
> ports for an age. My external DVD RW drive gets plugged into and out of 
> the other port all the time; but the printer stays on the same 
> connection. (The keyboard, mouse (which is indeed an hp), and monitor all 
> get shifted to one individual machine when I do an install or upgrade (so 
> that the monitor and PC can negotiate settings), and otherwise stay on 
> the switch.

I have the exact same printer connected via usb as well, but to my main
machine, not a kvm switch.  I think switching the switch from one
machien to another is causing the messages.

I have a suggestionAttach the printer to just one machine, and then
set it up to share and then connect each machine to it via the network.
That might help a whole lot and cut down on the messages.  I hardly ever
see those things if at all.

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Re: Fedora 9 32 or 64 Bit - Which One?

2008-10-28 Thread Kevin Kofler
Nifty Fedora Mitch  niftyegg.com> writes:
> Two things: wireless and firefox plugins work smoother on 32 bit for me.

I don't see how wireless would be relates to 32-bit vs. 64-bit at all. As for 
browser plugins, that's what nspluginwrapper is for.

> If your laptop disk is not massive, pairs of 32 and 64 bit libs could add
> up and prove problematic for disk space.

That's why Fedora does not install 32-bit multilibs by default now, so you can 
install only those you actually need (e.g. yum install nspluginwrapper.i386 if 
you want to use 32-bit browser plugins).

> Also since this is a laptop it is possible that the low power cpu, small
> processor cache, memory and disk subsystems would limit any performance
> improvement that 64bit objects might gain.

F9 x86_64 works just fine on my laptop.
Laptops these days have just as much RAM as desktops (usually between 1 and 4 
GB). Also because Vi$ta is really memory-hungry and modern laptops are designed 
to run it.

Kevin Kofler

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Re: Fedora 9 32 or 64 Bit - Which One?

2008-10-28 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matthew Flaschen  gatech.edu> writes:
> I like how you keep saying "all the benchmarks" and keep not linking to
> a single one.

Sorry, but I read them some time ago, so I remember the results, but not the 
URLs.

> For the average desktop user, 64-bit has little or no benefit and is not
> worth the hassles of dealing with incompatible proprietary code (and
> yes, there is a hassle).

There is no hassle. Everything just works. For "incompatible proprietary code", 
there are 32-bit multilibs. (Not that you should use proprietary crap in the 
first place, but it _does_ work on 64-bit just as well as on 32-bit. If it is 
not compatible with the current Fedora, it won't run on the 32-bit edition 
either.)

Kevin Kofler

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Re: Fedora 9 32 or 64 Bit - Which One?

2008-10-28 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kevin J. Cummings  kjchome.homeip.net> writes:
> If you are willing to deal with the issues, then x86_64 is for you.  If 
> not, then stick with the i386 stuff.

What issues?

> 1) My lappie has an ATI Mobile Radeon X1600 video system.  It worked on 
> FC6 using the fglrx driver from livna.  F9 upgraded Xorg to a version 
> that fglrx does not yet support.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with x86_64, it's exactly the same on F9 
i386.

> 2) Many firefox plugins require nspluginwrapper because there are no 
> x86_64 versions for them (Adobe Flash, Adobe Reader).  Getting it to 
> work correctly is straightforward and the Fedora Project Documentation 
> is correct if you follow it.

So what's the problem there?

> Sometimes Flash just doesn't work until I restart firefox.  And the Acrobat
> embedded reader can bring the laptop to its knees with some sort of memory
> leak.  Its also not as fast going through the nspluginwrapper.

But nspluginwrapper is used by default even on 32-bit installations for 
security reasons (because running the plugin in a separate process allows 
confining it with SELinux).

> Some people have configured their browsers to run acroread as an external
> application directly (instead of the embedded reader) to get around this.

Or just don't use acroread at all, that's what Okular and Evince are for.

Konqueror can even embed Okular as a KPart if that's important to you.

> 3) Sometimes sound gets screwed up in the browser (firefox).  Even when 
> using gecko-mediaplayer.  Restarting the browser, or sometimes 
> restarting the X session is necessary.

I don't think this is related to 64-bit either.

> 4) If you want to run vmware-server you might want to upgrade to the 
> version 2.0 BETA which has an X86_64 RPM.  (the version 1 version is 
> i386 only).  I had no trouble running the .i386 version of vmware-server 
> with the appropriate compatibility libraries.  Now I'm running the 
> x86_64 BETA and it runs my 32-bit virtual machine just fine.  You *MAY* 
> need to find the latest version of vmware-anyanyupdate (or you may not) 
> for vmware-server version 1.

So where's the problem?

> 5) Finding x86_64 versions of Firefox and Thunderbird ADDONs can be an 
> adventure.

OK, this is one valid argument. But the addons most people actually use should 
be available for x86_64.

> So can finding addons that support firefox 3.0 in some cases.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with x86_64, it's exactly the same on F9 
i386.

> 6) WINE is i386 only.  I tried to get sound working in WINE and 
> discovered that it wanted to drag in lots of i386 libraries, not all of 
> which were compatible with all of the x86_64 versions I have installed 
> (some from livna, some from atrpms, some from fedora).  I gave up on the 
> conflicts and continue to run wine without support for sound.

I don't know how you ended up with all those conflicts. You should not need 
anything not in Fedora to get sound in WINE working. "yum install 
alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i386" should be enough, and that drags in only stuff 
from Fedora.

> 7) FC6 used cubbi-suspend2 kernels in order to suspend and hiberate 
> correctly.  I was unable to make the tuxonice kernels work for me on F9, 
> but the stock kernel support works fine with F9.  (It may not be as fast 
> as tuxonice, but it does suspend/hibernate and restore without any major 
> problems.)

This has nothing whatsoever to do with x86_64, it's exactly the same on F9 
i386.

> 8) My wireless is now much more reliable with F9, but that could be the 
> new iwl3945 driver and not the old ipw3945 driver.

This is actually a good thing, not a problem. :-) In any case, it's not 
x86_64-specific either.

Kevin Kofler

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Re: F8 Decoding smartd\smartctl output.

2008-10-28 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 00:36 +0200, Markku Kolkka wrote:
> Frank Murphy kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika maanantai, 27. 
> lokakuuta 2008):
> > According to smartd, two drives are failing,
> 
> Why do you think that they are failing, nothing in the output you 
> posted indicates a failure.

The line that says prefailure_

It's not in the other two drives.

>  You have configured smartd to log 
> any changes in the parameters (or that might be the default), 
> edit /etc/smartd.conf to change the reporting settings. 

It's the default setting.


Frank

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Re: Open Office 3

2008-10-28 Thread Adel ESSAFI
Hi list

Is there any repository for OOO3 for Fedora?
When OOO3 will be added to the officiel repository?

Thanks for any input

Regards
Adel
2008/10/15 Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Dave Feustel wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 07:06:06AM -0400, Jim wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Dave Feustel wrote:
>>>
>>>
 When will Open Office 3 be available for F9?

 Thanks.



>>> Go here and get the RPM and install, it's very easy
>>>
>>> http://download.openoffice.org/index.html
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for the link!
>> I am a complete newbie with respect to rpms.
>> Is there a tutorial on how to download and install rpms in Fedora?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
> 1. Download the 'english' 'RPM' and make a new folder in your home
> directory called OO-3 and drag the download file into that OO-3 folder.
>
> 2. Open a terminal window and do  su  and password.
>In terminal , do   cd OO-3.
>Then do a copy and paste into the terminal window of line below.
> tar -xvf OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_wJRE_en-US.tar.gz
>
> It will make a new folder   OO-3/OOO300_m9_native_packed-1_en-US.9358/RPMS/
> .
>
> Then   cd OOO300_m9_native_packed-1_en-US.9358/RPMS/  (be sure to do all
> this in SU Terminal).
> Then do a   ./setup and install will start, follow instructions, When you
> get to the part "Select Additional Componets"
> I selected  "Optional Componets" this installs everythingand  do a Next
> and follow Instructions.
>
> Be sure to do all this in a SU (Super User Terminal)
> I know these instructions maybe a little confusing, but read carefully.
>
>
> After install is complete, you find the execute files in the /Menu/Office
>
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What is filesystem panic?

2008-10-28 Thread Per Anton Rønning
I guess I should rephrase my question about my 4GB memory stick/pen, 
where the filesystem

now is set to readonly when I enter it into one of the slots.
Could anyone tell me what might have happened by taking a look at the 
snip of the logfile?


I am not allowed to do anyting but reading files. I am not allowed to 
delete files ,remove directires

or write to files, even if I change to root privileges.
I cannot say when this started - it just happened one time when I tried 
to backup some files to the Jet Flash.

Then I got the message (one example):
 cp: cannot create regular file `/media/disk/trade/statQ': Read-only 
file system
Does anyone have a clue? I'd be grateful for pointers in the right 
direction.


*** snip ***
Oct 27 11:36:13 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: New USB device strings: 
Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3

Oct 27 11:36:13 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: Product: Mass Storage Device
Oct 27 11:36:13 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: Manufacturer: JetFlash
Oct 27 11:36:13 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: SerialNumber: TCC95547
Oct 27 11:36:18 localhost kernel: scsi 9:0:0:0: Direct-Access 
JetFlash TS4GJF1858.07 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2

:
:
Oct 27 11:36:18 localhost kernel: sdb: sdb1
Oct 27 11:36:18 localhost kernel: sd 9:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI 
removable disk
Oct 27 11:36:18 localhost kernel: sd 9:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 
type 0

Oct 27 11:36:19 localhost hald: mounted /dev/sdb1 on behalf of uid 500
Oct 27 11:36:19 localhost gnome-keyring-daemon[2713]: adding removable 
location: volume_uuid_7A22_FF86 at /media/disk
Oct 27 11:36:30 localhost kernel: FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sdb1)   
[ - my remark]
Oct 27 11:36:30 localhost kernel:fat_free_clusters: deleting FAT 
entry beyond EOF  [My remark: What does this
   
mean? Looks like an 
error message]
Oct 27 11:36:30 localhost kernel:File system has been set read-only 
[!!! - my remark]

*** end snip ***

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Re: Fedora 9 32 or 64 Bit - Which One?

2008-10-28 Thread Alan Cox
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:52:03 +0100
Mogens Kjaer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Alan Cox wrote:
> ...
> > None of which are desktop benchmarks. 
> ...
> 
> What's the use of a desktop benchmark?
> 
> If I press X on the keyboard I really don't care
> if it takes a microsecond or a millisecond to show
> up on the screen.

Desktop benchmarks measure things like opening a word processor making a
long series of edits statistically matched to those commonly used,
scrolling through documents, saving them. Similar things for web page
viewing, email processing and the like.

That does make them useful.

Alan

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Re: madwifi, F9, atheros 5413 cards

2008-10-28 Thread Martín Marqués
I have an AR242x. Livna madwifi didn't work at all.

Solution: Download madwifi-hal-0.10.5.6-r3861-20080903, compile and install.

2008/10/27 PH mooraa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> If someone can please help. same cards AR5413 (ar5006x) work with
> madwifi-0.9.4 on ubuntu but does not work on Fedora. I tried upgrading
> kernel too but still no luck.
>
> ath5k which comes built in in F9 works with this card. Initially some howto
> mentioned to blacklist this module before loading madwifi's ath_pci. Isn't
> ath5k still in starting phase? Has someone tried to use it with ar5413
> (ar5006x) cards?
>
> thanks,
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 2:14 PM, PH mooraa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> --
>> reposting the question on this forum because I think the problem is with
>> Fedora not madwifi
>> --
>>
>> I am trying to use Adhoc mode with AR5413 card (5006 chipset) with
>> following -
>>
>> #uname -a
>> Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.25-14.fc9.i686 #1 SMP Thu May 1 06:28:41
>> EDT 2008 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
>>
>> There are 2 machines running F9/madwifi and having same cards in adhoc
>> mode. (livna - madwifi-0.9.4-1.lvn9.i386, kmod-madwifi-0.9.4-31.lvn9.i686,
>> kmod-madwifi-2.6.25-14.fc9.i686-0.9.4-31.lvn9.i686,
>> madwifi-devel-0.9.4-1.lvn9.i386)
>>
>> In adhoc mode, they associate with each other (same cell ID) but are not
>> able to further communicate. ath0 interface created on top of wifi0 does not
>> receive any packets but wifi0 do receive. I am not able to ping one from
>> another. routes are set.
>>
>> #iwconfig
>> ath0  IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:"wmnad"  Nickname:"localhost.localdomain"
>>   Mode:Ad-Hoc  Frequency:2.412 GHz  Cell: 02:02:6F:51:77:3A
>>   Bit Rate:0 kb/s   Tx-Power:15 dBm   Sensitivity=1/1
>>   Retry:off   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
>>   Encryption key:off
>>   Power Management:off
>>   Link Quality=46/70  Signal level=-41 dBm  Noise level=-87 dBm
>>   Rx invalid nwid:7069  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
>>   Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
>>
>> #ifconfig
>> ath0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:02:6F:51:77:3A
>>   inet addr:11.11.11.1  Bcast:11.11.11.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
>>   inet6 addr: fe80::202:6fff:fe51:773a/64 Scope:Link
>>   UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>>   RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>>   TX packets:527 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
>>   RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:23013 (22.4 KiB)
>>
>> wifi0 Link encap:UNSPEC  HWaddr
>> 00-02-6F-51-77-3A-F4-AF-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
>>   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>>   RX packets:233405 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:41464
>>   TX packets:18774 errors:25 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:199
>>   RX bytes:33609299 (32.0 MiB)  TX bytes:1602695 (1.5 MiB)
>>
>> On both machines ath0 RX packets remains 0 and I don't know why is this
>> happening!!! Can someone please help..
>>
>> I think that there no problems with ath_pci loading as can be seen -
>>
>> #dmesg
>> ath_hal: module license 'Proprietary' taints kernel.
>> ath_hal: 0.9.18.0 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413)
>> ..
>> wlan: 0.9.4
>> ath_pci: 0.9.4
>> ..
>> ath_rate_sample: 1.2 (0.9.4)
>> wifi0: 11a rates: 6Mbps 9Mbps 12Mbps 18Mbps 24Mbps 36Mbps 48Mbps 54Mbps
>> wifi0: 11b rates: 1Mbps 2Mbps 5.5Mbps 11Mbps
>> wifi0: 11g rates: 1Mbps 2Mbps 5.5Mbps 11Mbps 6Mbps 9Mbps 12Mbps 18Mbps
>> 24Mbps 36Mbps 48Mbps 54Mbps
>> wifi0: H/W encryption support: WEP AES AES_CCM TKIP
>> wifi0: mac 10.4 phy 6.1 radio 6.3
>> wifi0: Use hw queue 1 for WME_AC_BE traffic
>> wifi0: Use hw queue 0 for WME_AC_BK traffic
>> wifi0: Use hw queue 2 for WME_AC_VI traffic
>> wifi0: Use hw queue 3 for WME_AC_VO traffic
>> wifi0: Use hw queue 8 for CAB traffic
>> wifi0: Use hw queue 9 for beacons
>> wifi0: Atheros 5212: mem=0xfdef, irq=18
>> ..
>> ath0: no IPv6 routers present
>> ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): ath0: link is not ready
>> ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): ath0: link becomes ready
>> ath0: no IPv6 routers present
>> ath0: no IPv6 routers present
>>
>> My configuration file for interface is like -
>>
>> #cat ifcfg-ath0
>> # Please read /usr/share/doc/initscripts-*/sysconfig.txt
>> # for the documentation of these parameters.
>> TYPE=Wireless
>> DEVICE=ath0
>> HWADDR=00:02:6f:51:77:3a
>> BOOTPROTO=none
>> NETMASK=255.255.255.0
>> DHCP_HOSTNAME=
>> IPADDR=11.11.11.1
>> DOMAIN=
>> ONBOOT=no
>> USERCTL=no
>> PEERDNS=yes
>> IPV6INIT=no
>> ESSID=cwmnad
>> CHANNEL=1
>> MODE=Ad-Hoc
>> RATE=auto
>> ENCRYPTION=off
>> SECURITYMODE=off
>> IWPRIV="authmode 1"
>>
>> In last 3 lines, I overdid security because initially I thought the
>> problem is due to authentication. I don't want any security at this point.
>>
>> [ Other tests -
>> - the same card works in managed mode 

Re: FONTS

2008-10-28 Thread David Hláčik
Which package  , freetype-freeworld?

Thanks.
D.

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 2:05 AM, Petrus de Calguarium
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> =?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Hl=E1=E8ik?= wrote:
>
>> Hello guys,
>>
> I find fonts to be razor-sharp on on my 1280x1024 lcd monitor. I have set kdm 
> to start the X server with the -dpi 96 flag and have installed the livna 
> freeworld package to allow sub-pixel hinting, with fonts set to 96 dpi in 
> System Settings. I couldn't be more pleased with the font rendering. It is 
> beauty to behold and puts commercial OSes to shame.
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Change Font used by xterm in f9

2008-10-28 Thread Dave Feustel
I would like to have xterm use a bold (and possibly slightly larger)
font to make it easier for me to read.

How do I change the default font used by xterm.

Thanks.

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Fedora 9 64 bis

2008-10-28 Thread hce
Hi,

I've just installed Fedora 9 64 bit on an Intel PC i686. Is there an
enviirnment macro I can check on a makefile to find it is a 64 bit OS?

Thank you.

Kind Regards,

Jim

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Re: Fedora 9 64 bis

2008-10-28 Thread Joachim Backes

hce wrote:

Hi,

I've just installed Fedora 9 64 bit on an Intel PC i686. Is there an
enviirnment macro I can check on a makefile to find it is a 64 bit OS?

Thank you.

Kind Regards,

Jim



Check for /lib64 or /usr/lib64

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Re: 16GB USB Drive Not Accessible

2008-10-28 Thread Christopher A. Williams
On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 00:23 -0500, Robert Nichols wrote:
> Christopher A. Williams wrote:
> > I recently bought a snazzy new 16GB USB pen drive from the local store -
> > it was only $29! I have several drives that are 8GB and smaller from the
> > same store that are the same brand.
> > 
> > Imagine my surprise when:
> > * The 16GB drive is not accessible on either F9 or F10 Snap 3
> > * The 8GB drives all work just fine on both F9 and F10 Snap 3
> > * The 16GB drive works fine on Windows XP
> > * The 16GB drive also works on a Windows XP VM running on top of F9!!!
> > 

> I've seen several USB pen drives with inconsistent partition tables,
> such as a CHS geometry that leaves a few unallocated sectors (no great
> surprise) but a partition with a sector count that goes beyond the
> claimed last cylinder and does use the entire device.  Automount is
> deliberately made sensitive to such anomalies.
> 
> Take a look at what "fdisk -l" and "fsck.msdos" have to say about the
> drive.  Errors such as "Partition has different physical/logical
> endings" should be cause for concern.  You might need to repartition
> the device and/or rebuild the filesystem.

Thanks - This made complete sense to me - and you were right! Here's the
output of fdisk:
Disk /dev/sdb: 16.0 GB, 16039018496 bytes
75 heads, 40 sectors/track, 10442 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 3000 * 512 = 1536000 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xc3072e18

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1   *   1   1044315663084c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)

...And here's a summary of what fsck.msdos said:
dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN
There are differences between boot sector and its backup.
Differences: (offset:original/backup)
  0:eb/00, 1:58/00, 2:90/00, 3:4d/00, 4:53/00, 5:44/00, 6:4f/00, 7:53/00
  , 8:35/00, 9:2e/00, 10:30/00, 12:02/00, 13:10/00, 14:24/00, 16:02/00

...

  , 497:74/00, 498:0d/00, 499:0a/00, 505:ac/00, 506:cb/00, 507:d8/00
  , 510:55/00, 511:aa/00
1) Copy original to backup
2) Copy backup to original
3) No action
? 

...followed by messages about cluster size mismatches, and the like.

So I repartitioned and re-formatted the drive (had to use my Windows XP
VM for that - see question below), and voila!

Now, one last question: what's the flag to format a FAT32 partition with
mkfs? I saw options for pretty much everything but that. I'm probably
just suffering from not having had my first cup of coffee... :)

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Re: Fedora 9 64 bis

2008-10-28 Thread Alan Cox
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:05:24 +1100
hce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I've just installed Fedora 9 64 bit on an Intel PC i686. Is there an
> enviirnment macro I can check on a makefile to find it is a 64 bit OS?

You can ask the system itself: uname -a

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FEDORA net etiquette

2008-10-28 Thread Joachim Backes

Until tomorrow, I always sent signed emails to the FEDORA mailing list,
where the signature was issued by the PKI of my computer center (german 
university). But some fedora list people told me that even very small 
emails always have a size of at least 8 kilobyte.


Therefore i switched to unsigned emails.

My question: are there rules for the fedora email traffic saying: do not 
use signatures?

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Re: Missing configuration files for Alpine in Fedora 8, 9

2008-10-28 Thread Rex Dieter
Michael Hannon wrote:

> Greetings.  I've been seeing some strange behavior with the "alpine"
> package in Fedora 8 and 9 recently.
> 
> The gist of it is that there don't seem to be any configuration files
> for alpine, even though RPM lists them.
...
> No complaints from the installer.  OK, what got installed?
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# rpm -ql alpine
> /etc/pine.conf
> /etc/pine.conf.fixed

Those files are marked as
%ghost %config(noreplace)
which means they're not present by default, but will be used and won't be
removed/modified by alpine updates.

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Re: Fedora 9 Issues:

2008-10-28 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 21:44 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Seeing that there seems to be a consensus building that I have an
> installation issue, the prudent course of action would be to back up
> my files - pictures, documents etc. and reload with a clean Fedora 9
> package.   Would you concur?
yes
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Re: 16GB USB Drive Not Accessible

2008-10-28 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 14:49 -0600, Christopher A. Williams wrote:
> I recently bought a snazzy new 16GB USB pen drive from the local store
> -
> it was only $29! I have several drives that are 8GB and smaller from
> the
> same store that are the same brand.
> 
> Imagine my surprise when:
> * The 16GB drive is not accessible on either F9 or F10 Snap 3
> * The 8GB drives all work just fine on both F9 and F10 Snap 3
> * The 16GB drive works fine on Windows XP
> * The 16GB drive also works on a Windows XP VM running on top of F9!!!
> 
> I can only conclude from this that something is a miss that causes F9
> to
> not be able to access and use USB pen drives that are bigger than 8GB,
> and that this most likely has something to do with a file system
> driver
> or such.
> 
> Anyone else seen this yet? Is there a fix / work-around?
I had the same behavior with a 4GB drive. What I found was that the
operation of the USB drive was screwed up by all the Windows oriented
software (such as Skype) that the manufacturer puts on the drive as a
bonus. Once I removed all that extra contents the pen drive worked under
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Re: FEDORA net etiquette

2008-10-28 Thread Ed Greshko
Joachim Backes wrote:
> Until tomorrow, I always sent signed emails to the FEDORA mailing list,
> where the signature was issued by the PKI of my computer center
> (german university). But some fedora list people told me that even
> very small emails always have a size of at least 8 kilobyte.
>
> Therefore i switched to unsigned emails.
>
> My question: are there rules for the fedora email traffic saying: do
> not use signatures?
No...there isn't. 

But, people get bent out of shape because they view html emails as
bandwidth wasters.  So, by the same token they will (should) view signed
emails as bandwidth wasters and will equally get bent out of shape.

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Re: FEDORA net etiquette

2008-10-28 Thread Dave Feustel
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 09:56:14PM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> Joachim Backes wrote:
> > Until tomorrow, I always sent signed emails to the FEDORA mailing list,
> > where the signature was issued by the PKI of my computer center
> > (german university). But some fedora list people told me that even
> > very small emails always have a size of at least 8 kilobyte.
> >
> > Therefore i switched to unsigned emails.
> >
> > My question: are there rules for the fedora email traffic saying: do
> > not use signatures?
> No...there isn't. 
> 
> But, people get bent out of shape because they view html emails as
> bandwidth wasters.  So, by the same token they will (should) view signed
> emails as bandwidth wasters and will equally get bent out of shape.
> 

I've read (probably in connection with TIN news postings) that sigs
should have no more than 3 lines after the ---.

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Re: FEDORA net etiquette

2008-10-28 Thread Joachim Backes

Dave Feustel wrote:

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 09:56:14PM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:

Joachim Backes wrote:

Until tomorrow, I always sent signed emails to the FEDORA mailing list,
where the signature was issued by the PKI of my computer center
(german university). But some fedora list people told me that even
very small emails always have a size of at least 8 kilobyte.

Therefore i switched to unsigned emails.

My question: are there rules for the fedora email traffic saying: do
not use signatures?
No...there isn't. 


But, people get bent out of shape because they view html emails as
bandwidth wasters.  So, by the same token they will (should) view signed
emails as bandwidth wasters and will equally get bent out of shape.



I've read (probably in connection with TIN news postings) that sigs
should have no more than 3 lines after the ---.



I don't mean ascii signature lines, but emails which have been digitally 
signed by the mail client, for example thunderbird: there in the 
composer window, you can say: "security->digitally sign this message" 
before sending it (produces a big attachment containing the digital 
signature). This is what i meant.


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Re: Second steps of the transition from Livna to RPM Fusion begins: Enabling RPM Fusion for users of livna-testing!

2008-10-28 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 17:04 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> > yum install rpmfusion-free-release rpmfusion-nonfree-release
> 
> RPM Fusion's Bugtracker (please report all issues here and not on the
> mailing lists!):
> http://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/

(I guess this is more an observation than a bug, so if I'm wrong I
apologize in advance for posting it here.)

I installed RPM Fusion this morning by following the instructions above.
No problems, but when I ran "yum update" I noticed that the new repo
packages are not labelled any differently from the standard Fedora ones.
What I mean is that the old Livna RPMs would have ...lvn... in their
names, but the new ones have nothing analogous.

In the past I've found it useful to be able to quickly list all my
installed Livna packages ("rpm -qa \*lvn\*"). Looks like that's going to
be harder now.

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Re: Open Office 3

2008-10-28 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 09:15 +0100, Adel ESSAFI wrote:
> Hi list
> 
> Is there any repository for OOO3 for Fedora?
> When OOO3 will be added to the officiel repository?

This has already been asked and answered several times. OO3 will be in
Fedora 10, comimg in November.

Please don't top-post on this list. See the Guidelines at the end of
every message.

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Re: FEDORA net etiquette

2008-10-28 Thread Steve Searle
Around 02:22pm on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 (UK time), Joachim Backes scrawled:

> I don't mean ascii signature lines, but emails which have been digitally 
> signed by the mail client, for example thunderbird: there in the 
> composer window, you can say: "security->digitally sign this message" 
> before sending it (produces a big attachment containing the digital 
> signature). This is what i meant.

A big attachment?  My gpg sifnatures are 0.2k - less than two lines of
text.

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Re: FEDORA net etiquette

2008-10-28 Thread Michael H. Warfield
On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 10:08 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 09:56:14PM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > Joachim Backes wrote:
> > > Until tomorrow, I always sent signed emails to the FEDORA mailing list,
> > > where the signature was issued by the PKI of my computer center
> > > (german university). But some fedora list people told me that even
> > > very small emails always have a size of at least 8 kilobyte.
> > >
> > > Therefore i switched to unsigned emails.
> > >
> > > My question: are there rules for the fedora email traffic saying: do
> > > not use signatures?
> > No...there isn't. 
> > 
> > But, people get bent out of shape because they view html emails as
> > bandwidth wasters.  So, by the same token they will (should) view signed
> > emails as bandwidth wasters and will equally get bent out of shape.
> > 

> I've read (probably in connection with TIN news postings) that sigs
> should have no more than 3 lines after the ---.

1) That's old USENET Netiquette from days begone.

2) That's for the text signature (mine is 4 lines).

3) The 3 line limit is largely ignored now with high speed nets.

3) Does not relate to a crypto signature like PGP or S/MIME.

This message has both my text signature at the bottom and a PGP
signature.

Signing all messages has value.  It establishes a "preponderance of
evidence" for the use of certain keys and signatures and establishes
good practices.

As a secondary issue, if we only signed / encrypted important messages,
that's a red letter warning to those doing "traffic analysis" that this
was as message to be given "special attention and processing".  Signing
everything removes that significance for signed messages.  It would be
even better if we could encrypt everything as well, making even
encrypted messages nothing out of the ordinary and increase the amount
of effort required to filter significant messages out from insignificant
messages.

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KDE 4 - thumbnails in dolphin from avi files

2008-10-28 Thread Michal
hallo group members

How can I see thumbnails from *avi files in KDE dolphin, while icon view is 
used.

Best regards,
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Re: 54 GB in /var/log!! -- UPDATE

2008-10-28 Thread Beartooth
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:15:06 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:

> Björn Persson wrote:
>> 
>> I'd imagine that the messages about the printer have stopped, and the
>> ones about the keyboard, the mouse and the hub continue. (There's a USB
>> hub inside the KVM switch.) Every time you switch to another machine to
>> look for new messages, you cause more messages.
>> 
>> Those messages aren't errors and you don't need to worry about them as
>> long as the log doesn't grow out of control again. It's quite possible
>> that most of those 54 GB was something completely different that hasn't
>> resurfaced yet. I'd recommend doing "ls -l /var/log/messages*" now and
>> then to keep an eye on it, and investigate further if it grows to many
>> megabytes.
>> 
>> Björn Persson
>> 
> I have not been really been following this thread, but I do remember
> something about having to go and read root's messages. I got the
> impression that root's mail never gets read. If all root's mail is
> building up in his mail box, and it never gets cleaned out, it is
> probably a significant cause of the problem as well. (I wounder how many
> "running out of disk space" messages root has...) Part of the fix should
> probably include setting up an alias so root's mail go to a normal user.
> If it is not going to be read at all, then maybe forward it to
> /dev/null. :)

Well, it's true, alas!, that I hardly ever think to read root's 
mail; otoh, wouldn't it show up in baobab if root's mail were getting 
bloated? That's how the bloat in /var/log/messages showed up.

I'm online too much as it is; and most logs are nearly gibberish 
to me.

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Re: flash and firefox again

2008-10-28 Thread Todd Denniston

Ed Greshko wrote, On 10/23/2008 08:15 PM:

Todd Denniston wrote:

Frank Cox wrote, On 10/20/2008 10:50 PM:

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:10:57 -0500
Richard Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I didn't find anything helpful with a quick Google search for "flash 10
multitheaded" but maybe it is an issue with multi-core machines? 

That's a thought.  I have never been able to watch CNN videos on this
dual-core
machine, even with Flash 10, but they work on the single-core machine
that's
sitting beside it.  Both running F8.



have you considered/ever tried forcing flash &| the browser &| X
processes to operate only on one processor (core) with taskset, just
to see if it may be a context switching/processor cache bashing problem?


I have noticed on the dual Xeon 1.50GHz W/512MB I use, that if I lock
X to the second processor, when visiting animated sites like
http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?animate=true
The whole system is smother and the animation is less glitchy.
[with out locking X pulls ~85%cpu (of combined cpus),
  with locking X pulls ~10-50%cpu (of combined cpus), on that page
after it self reloads.]


Other than in the "Advertisement" area I don't see any other "flash" on
http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?animate=true .

When you were talking about "less glitchy" were you talking about the
radar animation or some other aspect of that page?  The radar animation
is part of javascript.



Sorry.
You are correct that I was less than clear...
I don't have flash on my systems, as it has to be upgraded too often for 
security holes.


I meant that the animations were less glitchy, and that the whole X session 
was less glitchy.


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Re: 16GB USB Drive Not Accessible

2008-10-28 Thread Robert Nichols

Christopher A. Williams wrote:

On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 00:23 -0500, Robert Nichols wrote:

Christopher A. Williams wrote:


Now, one last question: what's the flag to format a FAT32 partition with
mkfs? I saw options for pretty much everything but that. I'm probably
just suffering from not having had my first cup of coffee... :)


The manpage for mkfs has some suggestions in the "SEE ALSO" section.
You have your choice of:

 mkfs -t vfat
 mkfs.vfat
 mkdosfs
 mkfs.msdos

The last 3 are all hard links to the same program.  The first is just a
wrapper that invokes the mkfs. appropriate to the requested type.

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Re: 54 GB in /var/log!! -- UPDATE

2008-10-28 Thread Beartooth
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:17:42 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote:

> I have the exact same printer connected via usb as well, but to my main
> machine, not a kvm switch.  I think switching the switch from one
> machien to another is causing the messages.
 
> I have a suggestionAttach the printer to just one machine, and then
> set it up to share and then connect each machine to it via the network.
> That might help a whole lot and cut down on the messages.  I hardly ever
> see those things if at all.

 "Set it up to share"?? Has that gotten any easier in 
recent years -- since the last time I gave up trying??

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Re: 54 GB in /var/log!! -- UPDATE

2008-10-28 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 15:16 +, Beartooth wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:17:42 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote:
> 
> > I have the exact same printer connected via usb as well, but to my main
> > machine, not a kvm switch.  I think switching the switch from one
> > machien to another is causing the messages.
>  
> > I have a suggestionAttach the printer to just one machine, and then
> > set it up to share and then connect each machine to it via the network.
> > That might help a whole lot and cut down on the messages.  I hardly ever
> > see those things if at all.
> 
>"Set it up to share"?? Has that gotten any easier in 
> recent years -- since the last time I gave up trying??

one of my favorite attitudes...defeated before trying

for consideration, it's simple to set up. You connect the printer and
configure it to print locally. Then you check the box that tells it to
share it with your network.

Then any other linux system on your subnet will automatically recognize
and can print to the printer without any configuration at all.

Craig

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Re: 54 GB in /var/log!! -- UPDATE

2008-10-28 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Beartooth wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:17:42 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote:
> 
>> I have the exact same printer connected via usb as well, but to my main
>> machine, not a kvm switch.  I think switching the switch from one
>> machien to another is causing the messages.
>  
>> I have a suggestionAttach the printer to just one machine, and then
>> set it up to share and then connect each machine to it via the network.
>> That might help a whole lot and cut down on the messages.  I hardly ever
>> see those things if at all.
> 
>"Set it up to share"?? Has that gotten any easier in 
> recent years -- since the last time I gave up trying??
> 
Yes, it has. With a Linux machine host, you just set it up in CUPS.
On the rest of the Linux machines, you can have CUPS search the
network and it will find the printer. For XP, you will want to
install an IPP interface printer. If you really want to, and you
have Samba running on the host machine, you can share that way too,
but it is more work.

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Slow Second Access to Internet

2008-10-28 Thread Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED
In my FC7, using Firefox, if for example, I access
www.google.com, I get an essentially instantaneous
response.  If I then close the browser, reopen it,
and again try to access google, there is a long
delay, perhaps a minute before I get the response.
(I note that my browser is set to delete all
private on closing.)  During this delay, the
browser reports that it is looking up the URL.
If I then wait a few minutes I can repeat the
whole scenario.

I suspect that something similar may be happening
with my Pan news reader.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Mike.

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Re: FEDORA net etiquette

2008-10-28 Thread Chris Snook

Joachim Backes wrote:

Until tomorrow, I always sent signed emails to the FEDORA mailing list,
where the signature was issued by the PKI of my computer center (german 
university). But some fedora list people told me that even very small 
emails always have a size of at least 8 kilobyte.


Therefore i switched to unsigned emails.

My question: are there rules for the fedora email traffic saying: do not 
use signatures?


No.  Proper use of PKI (such as GPG signatures) is worth a few bytes.  Anyone 
who desperately cares about this can choose to receive mail in daily digest 
format, which saves far more in headers than would be consumed even if everyone 
on the list used GPG.


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Re: 54 GB in /var/log!! -- UPDATE

2008-10-28 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Beartooth wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:15:06 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> 
>> I have not been really been following this thread, but I do remember
>> something about having to go and read root's messages. I got the
>> impression that root's mail never gets read. If all root's mail is
>> building up in his mail box, and it never gets cleaned out, it is
>> probably a significant cause of the problem as well. (I wounder how many
>> "running out of disk space" messages root has...) Part of the fix should
>> probably include setting up an alias so root's mail go to a normal user.
>> If it is not going to be read at all, then maybe forward it to
>> /dev/null. :)
> 
>   Well, it's true, alas!, that I hardly ever think to read root's 
> mail; otoh, wouldn't it show up in baobab if root's mail were getting 
> bloated? That's how the bloat in /var/log/messages showed up.
> 
>   I'm online too much as it is; and most logs are nearly gibberish 
> to me.
> 
Well, the logwatch messages are usually fairly clear. For example,
here is the disk usage report for this machine:

- Disk Space Begin 

 FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
 /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00
48G  8.5G   37G  19% /
 /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol01
   141G   25G  109G  19% /home
 /dev/sda3  82G   55G   23G  71% /shared
 /dev/sda1  99M   19M   75M  21% /boot
 /shared/Fedora-8.iso  3.3G  3.3G 0 100% /var/www/html/Fedora8
 /shared/Fedora-9.iso  3.4G  3.4G 0 100% /var/www/html/Fedora9

 /shared/Fedora-8.iso => 100% Used. Warning. Disk Filling up.
 /shared/Fedora-9.iso => 100% Used. Warning. Disk Filling up.

 -- Disk Space End -

As you can see, it is complaining about the two loop-mounted .iso
images are out of free space. :) The rest of the sections are about
this clear. It is worth reading just for advanced working of
problems, or strange things going on.

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pdf converter

2008-10-28 Thread Adil Drissi
Hi,

Is there any tool to convert openoffice documents to pdf?

Thanks


  

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Re: pdf converter

2008-10-28 Thread Chris Snook

Adil Drissi wrote:

Is there any tool to convert openoffice documents to pdf?


You mean, besides openoffice?  There's cups-pdf, which acts as a printer, but 
saves to pdf.


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Re: Slow Second Access to Internet

2008-10-28 Thread Peter Langfelder
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In my FC7, using Firefox, if for example, I access
> www.google.com, I get an essentially instantaneous
> response.  If I then close the browser, reopen it,
> and again try to access google, there is a long
> delay, perhaps a minute before I get the response.
> (I note that my browser is set to delete all
> private on closing.)  During this delay, the
> browser reports that it is looking up the URL.
> If I then wait a few minutes I can repeat the
> whole scenario.
>
> I suspect that something similar may be happening
> with my Pan news reader.
>
> Any suggestions?
>

It seems your DNS lookup is intermittently slow. I'd log into the
router/web gateway (192.168.1.1 in your browser or so) and run the DNS
lookup diagnostic test - if it is shows similar behaviour, you will
know it's a problem with your internet provider. I used to see such
problems in the past and IIRC they always cleared up upon talking to
the provider.

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Re: pdf converter

2008-10-28 Thread Alan Cox
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:07:33 -0700 (PDT)
Adil Drissi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Is there any tool to convert openoffice documents to pdf?

Open Office - its hidden under 'Export as'

Alan

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Re: FEDORA net etiquette

2008-10-28 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Joachim Backes wrote:
> Until tomorrow, I always sent signed emails to the FEDORA mailing list,
> where the signature was issued by the PKI of my computer center (german
> university). But some fedora list people told me that even very small
> emails always have a size of at least 8 kilobyte.
> 
Could you clarify this a bit - were they saying that signing the
e-mail made it always at least 8k, or were they saying that even
unsigned e-mail was also that big? I suspect that it was the later...

> Therefore i switched to unsigned emails.
> 
> My question: are there rules for the fedora email traffic saying: do not
> use signatures?

Considering that with the headers included, a PGP signature adds
about 10 lines of text. (Most of it headers.) This is a small amount
of space, considering the problems a couple of faked e-mail can
cause. I only want to be blamed for a flame war if I really started it!

If you are really concerned about the size of e-mails, a better
place to start is with quoting. I see far too many e-mails where the
entire thread is quoted, including the list signatures, just to add
a "me too" or "+1" to the last comment in the thread. Or the entire
log or config file listing is included in every reply to the
original message. Trim it down to just the pertinent parts when
replying - it not only cuts down on waisted bandwidth, but it makes
it easier to see what you are talking about in the reply.

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Re: 54 GB in /var/log!! -- UPDATE

2008-10-28 Thread Beartooth
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:58:28 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
[...]
>>> I have a suggestionAttach the printer to just one machine, and
>>> then set it up to share and then connect each machine to it via the
>>> network. That might help a whole lot and cut down on the messages.  I
>>> hardly ever see those things if at all.
>> 
>>   "Set it up to share"?? Has that gotten any easier in
>> recent years -- since the last time I gave up trying??
>> 
> Yes, it has. With a Linux machine host, you just set it up in CUPS. On
> the rest of the Linux machines, you can have CUPS search the network and
> it will find the printer. For XP, you will want to install an IPP
> interface printer. If you really want to, and you have Samba running on
> the host machine, you can share that way too, but it is more work.

Man, it must have! The last time (about FC3 iirc), a friendly 
soul spent days trying to walk me through it, and finally had to quit 
before we ever got it to work. After that, I also tried buying a hardware 
printserver -- and never managed to get that to work, either...

Poking around, I can't tell# CUPS whether what I got into was 
CUPS or not. $ cups, $ CUPS, # cups, and # CUPS all get "command not 
found." (rpm -q does tell me I have cups-1.3.9-1.fc9.i386)

So I started looking in the Main Menu. The likeliest launcher, 
afaict, points to /usr/bin/system-config-printer; is that it? I hit the 
usual glass wall with that -- asking me things in jargon, as if being 
English words made their technical sense plain.

I remember there was a way to make at least some browsers handle 
the configuration -- but not how to launch it; maybe that has gotten 
easier, too.

Do you have a favorite tutorial on the web somewhere? I know 
there are some -- which looked a bit daunting last time I saw them...

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Re: FEDORA net etiquette

2008-10-28 Thread Matthew Flaschen
Ed Greshko wrote:
>> My question: are there rules for the fedora email traffic saying: do
>> not use signatures?
> No...there isn't. 
> 
> But, people get bent out of shape because they view html emails as
> bandwidth wasters.

Actually, the issue with HTML email is that it violates RFCs /and/
wastes bandwidth.  Signatures do neither.

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RE: pdf converter

2008-10-28 Thread Joe Tseng
Ummm...  I've made a ton of PDFs using OO.o itself - just use OO.o to export 
your document.

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> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:07:33 -0700
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Subject: pdf converter
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Is there any tool to convert openoffice documents to pdf?

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Re: 54 GB in /var/log!! -- UPDATE

2008-10-28 Thread g
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Björn Persson wrote:

> Switching the KVM switch is equivalent to unplugging all the devices from one
> computer and plugging them into another. Linux will print some messages every
> time you plug in or remove a USB device

as a 'side note', this should serve as a warning to anyone considering using
a kvm switch.

non usb kvm switches do not have this problem. i have a ps/2 kvm switch
that works great and yet to have any problems when switching between systems.
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Re: 54 GB in /var/log!! -- UPDATE

2008-10-28 Thread Beartooth
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:54:22 +0100, Björn Persson wrote:

> I Beartooth wrote:
[]
> Switching the KVM switch is equivalent to unplugging all the devices
> from one computer and plugging them into another. Linux will print some
> messages every time you plug in or remove a USB device, but you'd have
> to be switching like crazy to produce 54 GB of messages that way. I
> suppose a loose cable might make it seem like all the devices are
> constantly plugged in and removed, but I still don't quite see how the
> log could grow that big. The excerpt you posted was 3411 characters.
> Printing all of that once a second for a week would still produce only
> two gigabytes.
[...]
>>  Finally, an hour or so ago, I tried turning the printer off with
>> its power switch. Since that time, the messages have become fewer, but
>> not stopped.
> 
> I'd imagine that the messages about the printer have stopped, and the
> ones about the keyboard, the mouse and the hub continue. (There's a USB
> hub inside the KVM switch.) Every time you switch to another machine to
> look for new messages, you cause more messages.

Right, about both; but some machines get more non-printer 
messages; I don't know why.

> Those messages aren't errors and you don't need to worry about them as
> long as the log doesn't grow out of control again. It's quite possible
> that most of those 54 GB was something completely different that hasn't
> resurfaced yet. I'd recommend doing "ls -l /var/log/messages*" now and
> then to keep an eye on it, and investigate further if it grows to many
> megabytes.

I fiddled a bit with the command you suggested (for which, again, 
many thanks!), and eventually tried doing "$ ls -lh /var/log|less" -- 
which has the advantage that I need not use a terminal tab logged to root 
(nor sudo). Doing that on the #1 machine (where I am now) showed a bunch 
of stuff up to maybe 200K (for very few), and this : 

[]
-rw--- 1 rootroot 26K 2008-10-28 12:37 messages
-rw--- 1 rootroot299K 2008-10-05 01:00 messages-20081005
-rw--- 1 rootroot266K 2008-10-12 03:11 messages-20081012
-rw--- 1 rootroot303K 2008-10-19 04:06 messages-20081019
-rw--- 1 rootroot   0 2008-10-27 11:08 messages-20081026
[]

I'd like to pipe that into top, or some such, to make it display 
only the files of 100K and up; but trying to read the man page for top, 
as usual for powerful commands, makes me think of standing at the foot of 
a huge cliff of ice.

Somewhere in this thread is a way (or maybe a couple of ways) to 
skim those files without actually running through them. Maybe I can find 
it again.

(I've also started skimming through root's mail; and I have to 
admit a lot more of it makes sense than last time I tried.)

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Re: Slow Second Access to Internet

2008-10-28 Thread George Yanos

For once, a reason not to ignore mail from the guy named e-mail ignored.

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fedora on dell vostro 1510?

2008-10-28 Thread Robert P. J. Day
  as a followup to an earlier post, i'm interested in finding an  
entry-level laptop who's most important property is that it have a  
full WUXGA (1920x1200) display, preferably non-NVIDIA video, and runs  
fedora reliably.


  the dell vostro seems to fit the bill:

http://www1.ca.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx?c=ca&cs=cabsdt1&id=vostronb_1510&l=en&s=bsd

a default configuration, changing only the display to WUXGA, comes in  
at only $779 canadian.


  does anyone have any personal experience with this model and  
fedora?  the video is "IntelJ Integrated Graphics Media Accelerator  
X3100", with nvidia as a more expensive option, so i'm not going there.


  system doesn't need to be smokin' fast, just needs that display,  
needs to run fedora and, ideally, has open source video drivers.   
thoughts?


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Re: Fedora 9 32 or 64 Bit - Which One?

2008-10-28 Thread Kevin J. Cummings

Kevin Kofler wrote:

Kevin J. Cummings  kjchome.homeip.net> writes:
If you are willing to deal with the issues, then x86_64 is for you.  If 
not, then stick with the i386 stuff.


What issues?


Issues, hassles, basically the same.  The things that have to be worked 
around.


1) My lappie has an ATI Mobile Radeon X1600 video system.  It worked on 
FC6 using the fglrx driver from livna.  F9 upgraded Xorg to a version 
that fglrx does not yet support.


This has nothing whatsoever to do with x86_64, it's exactly the same on F9 
i386.


It wasn't when I first upgraded.  The first problem was that the API 
changed and i386 worked and x86_64 didn't.  Over time, ATI fixed that 
problem (took a couple of months), but not the Xorg version problem.


2) Many firefox plugins require nspluginwrapper because there are no 
x86_64 versions for them (Adobe Flash, Adobe Reader).  Getting it to 
work correctly is straightforward and the Fedora Project Documentation 
is correct if you follow it.


So what's the problem there?


Maybe not a problem, but a big hassle.  And, it didn't use to be that 
way on i386.



Sometimes Flash just doesn't work until I restart firefox.  And the Acrobat
embedded reader can bring the laptop to its knees with some sort of memory
leak.  Its also not as fast going through the nspluginwrapper.


But nspluginwrapper is used by default even on 32-bit installations for 
security reasons (because running the plugin in a separate process allows 
confining it with SELinux).


Again, it didn't use to be that way.  Its a hassle.


Some people have configured their browsers to run acroread as an external
application directly (instead of the embedded reader) to get around this.


Or just don't use acroread at all, that's what Okular and Evince are for.


When you say "don't use X" and "X" is written by the people who defined 
it, you are basically saying that the standard definers don't know what 
they are doing  Seems very strange.  None of the replacements ever 
work as well as the original.  At least for me.  Its a hassle.



Konqueror can even embed Okular as a KPart if that's important to you.


I don't use Konqueror.

3) Sometimes sound gets screwed up in the browser (firefox).  Even when 
using gecko-mediaplayer.  Restarting the browser, or sometimes 
restarting the X session is necessary.


I don't think this is related to 64-bit either.


Maybe not, but I never noticed it until I upgraded to x86_64.

4) If you want to run vmware-server you might want to upgrade to the 
version 2.0 BETA which has an X86_64 RPM.  (the version 1 version is 
i386 only).  I had no trouble running the .i386 version of vmware-server 
with the appropriate compatibility libraries.  Now I'm running the 
x86_64 BETA and it runs my 32-bit virtual machine just fine.  You *MAY* 
need to find the latest version of vmware-anyanyupdate (or you may not) 
for vmware-server version 1.


So where's the problem?


Hassle!  Please stop changing the intent of my words!

5) Finding x86_64 versions of Firefox and Thunderbird ADDONs can be an 
adventure.


OK, this is one valid argument. But the addons most people actually use should 
be available for x86_64.


OK, so you're telling me I'm using the wrong addons?  B^)


So can finding addons that support firefox 3.0 in some cases.


This has nothing whatsoever to do with x86_64, it's exactly the same on F9 
i386.


Maybe so, but its a hassle.

6) WINE is i386 only.  I tried to get sound working in WINE and 
discovered that it wanted to drag in lots of i386 libraries, not all of 
which were compatible with all of the x86_64 versions I have installed 
(some from livna, some from atrpms, some from fedora).  I gave up on the 
conflicts and continue to run wine without support for sound.


I don't know how you ended up with all those conflicts. You should not need 
anything not in Fedora to get sound in WINE working. "yum install 
alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i386" should be enough, and that drags in only stuff 
from Fedora.


The problem is not with alsa-plugins-pulseaudio, its with 
jack-audio-connection-kit, needed by wine-jack.


7) FC6 used cubbi-suspend2 kernels in order to suspend and hiberate 
correctly.  I was unable to make the tuxonice kernels work for me on F9, 
but the stock kernel support works fine with F9.  (It may not be as fast 
as tuxonice, but it does suspend/hibernate and restore without any major 
problems.)


This has nothing whatsoever to do with x86_64, it's exactly the same on F9 
i386.


Maybe so, bu I ran into it after I upgraded to x86_64.

8) My wireless is now much more reliable with F9, but that could be the 
new iwl3945 driver and not the old ipw3945 driver.


This is actually a good thing, not a problem. :-) In any case, it's not 
x86_64-specific either.


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Oracle 11g on Fedora 9

2008-10-28 Thread Gene Poole
Does anyone have experience installing and running the Oracle 11g database 
on Fedora 9?
 The machine has a AMD X2 64-bit 5600+ with 4 GB RAM.

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Re: Change Font used by xterm in f9

2008-10-28 Thread g
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> How do I change the default font used by xterm.

'man xterm'. all you need to know for what you want to do. and then some.
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Fedora 9 Rescue CD, where?

2008-10-28 Thread S P Arif Sahari Wibowo

Hi!

Do you know where I can find Fedora 9 Rescue CD ISO? I look 
everywhere under 
ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/ 
but could not find it.


For Fedora 8, the rescue CD was here: 
ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/8/Fedora/i386/iso/Fedora-8-i386-rescuecd.iso

But nothing like that under Fedora 9 directory.

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Re: FONTS

2008-10-28 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Hl=E1=E8ik?= wrote:

> Which package  , freetype-freeworld?
> 
Yes, install freetype-freeworld (it was on livna, but might be on rpmfusion by 
now, too).

You can see a screenshot at:

http://sites.google.com/site/screenshotsite/

I uploaded a 1280x1024px image of google displaying search results, as that 
contains a lot of text.

There are a number of ways you can force the X server to start with the native 
resolution of your monitor (mine is 96 dpi):

1. You can append -dpi 96, or whatever is appropriate, in the kdmrc file on the 
ServerArgsLocal line (no commas between arguments, just a space).

2. In gdm, there used to be a graphical setup utility and one could configure 
the X server on the security page, but I don't know if that utility still 
exists, as gdm has gone through a lot of changes in the last 8 months.

3. To set for this session only: xrandr --size 1280x1024 --dpi 96.

You will realize equally impressive results with image display, when the dpi is 
set correctly for your monitor.

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Re: 54 GB in /var/log!! -- UPDATE

2008-10-28 Thread Mike Chambers
On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 16:36 +, Beartooth wrote:

>   Poking around, I can't tell# CUPS whether what I got into was 
> CUPS or not. $ cups, $ CUPS, # cups, and # CUPS all get "command not 
> found." (rpm -q does tell me I have cups-1.3.9-1.fc9.i386)
> 
>   So I started looking in the Main Menu. The likeliest launcher, 
> afaict, points to /usr/bin/system-config-printer; is that it? I hit the 
> usual glass wall with that -- asking me things in jargon, as if being 
> English words made their technical sense plain.

Menu/System/Administration/Printing (which is same as
system-config-printer)

You can go both/two ways from the menu I think..

1 - Select on Server/Settings and look for "Publish shared printers..."
and check it.

2 - Find your printer, right click on it, and should be a menu with
"shared" and a box to check/uncheck.

You should have to save/reactivate or something afterwards.  That should
get your going or at least close.


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Re: 54 GB in /var/log!! -- UPDATE

2008-10-28 Thread Christopher K. Johnson

Beartooth wrote:
	I'd like to pipe that into top, or some such, to make it display 
only the files of 100K and up; but trying to read the man page for top, 
as usual for powerful commands, makes me think of standing at the foot of 
a huge cliff of ice
How about looking at the largest 30 files and directories there sorted 
by size in megabytes?


cd /var/log
du -ms * | sort -rn | head -n 30

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Re: FEDORA net etiquette

2008-10-28 Thread g
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Re: X over a reverse SSH tunnel

2008-10-28 Thread Les Mikesell

Jim wrote:



The nicest thing for remote GUI work is freenx, using the NX client 
that you can download from http://www.nomachine.com.  You can connect 
using only port 22 so your firewall probably already permits it and 
remote performance is much better than vnc.



NO , it isn't.


NX/freenx always performs better for me, except perhaps for the initial 
screen draw and I use it over a local lan, remote cablemodem, and an 
assortment of slower remote connections.  What are the circumstances 
where vnc works better for you?


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Re: Oracle 11g on Fedora 9

2008-10-28 Thread Waleed Harbi
Hi Gene,

I hope this site useful for you:

http://www.oracle-base.com/articles/11g/OracleDB11gR1InstallationOnFedora9.php

You may face system requirements, because Oracle they said only support
Enterprise versions. You can avoid this issue and skipt via the following
command:

./runinstaller --ignore sysPrereqs


Good luck.


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> Does anyone have experience installing and running the Oracle 11g database
> on Fedora 9?
>  The machine has a AMD X2 64-bit 5600+ with 4 GB RAM.
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> Thanks,
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Re: madwifi, F9, atheros 5413 cards

2008-10-28 Thread PH mooraa
Thanks Martin for your reply.

I tried the recent madwifi-hal but still the same problem. I think the
problem is somewhere else because in dmesg it can be seen that ath_pci finds
correct chipset and loads properly. There are no error there.

I added a vista laptop (intel wireless card) to the adhoc network and ran
wireshark on it. When I ping the laptop from F9 machine, I can see that ARP
arrives at laptop and laptop replies it with its MAC. But then that reply is
never accepted by F9 machines. Its like, it drops those packets somehow and
Rx packets in ifconfig ath0 remains 0 (there are many Tx packets though).

Is there some preset security in F9 blocking this? It says an unsecured
network in Vista laptop. What else it can be because same think on Ubuntu
runs just fine..

Any pointers??

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 5:47 AM, Martín Marqués <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I have an AR242x. Livna madwifi didn't work at all.
>
> Solution: Download madwifi-hal-0.10.5.6-r3861-20080903, compile and
> install.
>
> 2008/10/27 PH mooraa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > If someone can please help. same cards AR5413 (ar5006x) work with
> > madwifi-0.9.4 on ubuntu but does not work on Fedora. I tried upgrading
> > kernel too but still no luck.
> >
> > ath5k which comes built in in F9 works with this card. Initially some
> howto
> > mentioned to blacklist this module before loading madwifi's ath_pci.
> Isn't
> > ath5k still in starting phase? Has someone tried to use it with ar5413
> > (ar5006x) cards?
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 2:14 PM, PH mooraa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> --
> >> reposting the question on this forum because I think the problem is with
> >> Fedora not madwifi
> >> --
> >>
> >> I am trying to use Adhoc mode with AR5413 card (5006 chipset) with
> >> following -
> >>
> >> #uname -a
> >> Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.25-14.fc9.i686 #1 SMP Thu May 1 06:28:41
> >> EDT 2008 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
> >>
> >> There are 2 machines running F9/madwifi and having same cards in adhoc
> >> mode. (livna - madwifi-0.9.4-1.lvn9.i386,
> kmod-madwifi-0.9.4-31.lvn9.i686,
> >> kmod-madwifi-2.6.25-14.fc9.i686-0.9.4-31.lvn9.i686,
> >> madwifi-devel-0.9.4-1.lvn9.i386)
> >>
> >> In adhoc mode, they associate with each other (same cell ID) but are not
> >> able to further communicate. ath0 interface created on top of wifi0 does
> not
> >> receive any packets but wifi0 do receive. I am not able to ping one from
> >> another. routes are set.
> >>
> >> #iwconfig
> >> ath0  IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:"wmnad"  Nickname:"localhost.localdomain"
> >>   Mode:Ad-Hoc  Frequency:2.412 GHz  Cell: 02:02:6F:51:77:3A
> >>   Bit Rate:0 kb/s   Tx-Power:15 dBm   Sensitivity=1/1
> >>   Retry:off   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
> >>   Encryption key:off
> >>   Power Management:off
> >>   Link Quality=46/70  Signal level=-41 dBm  Noise level=-87 dBm
> >>   Rx invalid nwid:7069  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
> >>   Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
> >>
> >> #ifconfig
> >> ath0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:02:6F:51:77:3A
> >>   inet addr:11.11.11.1  Bcast:11.11.11.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
> >>   inet6 addr: fe80::202:6fff:fe51:773a/64 Scope:Link
> >>   UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
> >>   RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
> >>   TX packets:527 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> >>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
> >>   RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:23013 (22.4 KiB)
> >>
> >> wifi0 Link encap:UNSPEC  HWaddr
> >> 00-02-6F-51-77-3A-F4-AF-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
> >>   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
> >>   RX packets:233405 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:41464
> >>   TX packets:18774 errors:25 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> >>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:199
> >>   RX bytes:33609299 (32.0 MiB)  TX bytes:1602695 (1.5 MiB)
> >>
> >> On both machines ath0 RX packets remains 0 and I don't know why is this
> >> happening!!! Can someone please help..
> >>
> >> I think that there no problems with ath_pci loading as can be seen -
> >>
> >> #dmesg
> >> ath_hal: module license 'Proprietary' taints kernel.
> >> ath_hal: 0.9.18.0 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413,
> RF5413)
> >> ..
> >> wlan: 0.9.4
> >> ath_pci: 0.9.4
> >> ..
> >> ath_rate_sample: 1.2 (0.9.4)
> >> wifi0: 11a rates: 6Mbps 9Mbps 12Mbps 18Mbps 24Mbps 36Mbps 48Mbps 54Mbps
> >> wifi0: 11b rates: 1Mbps 2Mbps 5.5Mbps 11Mbps
> >> wifi0: 11g rates: 1Mbps 2Mbps 5.5Mbps 11Mbps 6Mbps 9Mbps 12Mbps 18Mbps
> >> 24Mbps 36Mbps 48Mbps 54Mbps
> >> wifi0: H/W encryption support: WEP AES AES_CCM TKIP
> >> wifi0: mac 10.4 phy 6.1 radio 6.3
> >> wifi0: Use hw queue 1 for WME_AC_BE traffic
> >> wifi0: Use hw queue 0 for WME_AC_BK traffic
> >> wifi0: Use hw queue 2 for WME_AC_VI traffic
> >> wifi0: Use hw queue 3 for

Re: FEDORA net etiquette

2008-10-28 Thread Kam Leo
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Matthew Flaschen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ed Greshko wrote:
>>> My question: are there rules for the fedora email traffic saying: do
>>> not use signatures?
>> No...there isn't.
>>
>> But, people get bent out of shape because they view html emails as
>> bandwidth wasters.
>
> Actually, the issue with HTML email is that it violates RFCs /and/
> wastes bandwidth.  Signatures do neither.
>
> Matt Flaschen

Long signatures, quotaton of the day, GPG, etc. add clutter.  You can
even omit your signature on this list. Clutter is clutter and does not
add to information flow.

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password question.

2008-10-28 Thread Steven W. Orr
Under F9, I want to create an account such that the user will be required 
to change the password on login, but I don't have control over how soon 
(or late) the user will get to that first login. Is there a way to do it? 
The passwd command didn't look like it had anything useful.


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Re: pdf converter

2008-10-28 Thread Phil Meyer

Adil Drissi wrote:

Hi,

Is there any tool to convert openoffice documents to pdf?

  


If you are asking  'Is there a way to convert office documents to pdf on 
the command line using open office', then yes, there is.


However it is not easy. 
It requires a macro for the user doing the conversion.
It requires an X session, even in non display (invisible) mode, so you 
may need to run it against the fake X server on headless systems.

Finally, it requires a specially crafted command line.

Here is a sample script, in which we run the fake X server on a headless 
system, so it is display 0.


---

#!/bin/bash
# doc2pdf -- convert office type documents to PDF

if [ -z "$1" ]
   then
   echo "Usage: $0 "
   exit -1
fi

DISPLAY=:0
export DISPLAY

# macro is in: ~/.openoffice.org2.0/user/basic/Standard/Module1.xba

DOC=$1
  

/usr/bin/oowriter -invisible 
"macro:///Standard.Module1.ConvertWordToPDF($DOC)"


exit $?

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Here is the sample macro file:  Its kinda large, so I have it as a link 
if you are interested.


http://themeyerfarm.com/palm/Module1.xba


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Re: 54 GB in /var/log!! -- UPDATE

2008-10-28 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 16:53 +, Beartooth wrote:
> I'd like to pipe that into top, or some such, to make it
> display 
> only the files of 100K and up; but trying to read the man page for
> top, 
> as usual for powerful commands, makes me think of standing at the foot
> of 
> a huge cliff of ice.

'top' for displaying the busiest processes. It has nothing to do with
showing file sizes. Maybe you're thinking of

ls -s |sort -rn|head -20

or some such.

poc

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Re: 54 GB in /var/log!! -- UPDATE

2008-10-28 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Beartooth wrote:
>   I remember there was a way to make at least some browsers handle 
> the configuration -- but not how to launch it; maybe that has gotten 
> easier, too.
> 
http://localhost:631
I have a bookmark set to it. It is also at the end of the cupsd man
page: http://localhost:631/help

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Re: 54 GB in /var/log!! -- UPDATE

2008-10-28 Thread Rick Stevens

Beartooth wrote:

On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:58:28 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
[...]

I have a suggestionAttach the printer to just one machine, and
then set it up to share and then connect each machine to it via the
network. That might help a whole lot and cut down on the messages.  I
hardly ever see those things if at all.

 "Set it up to share"?? Has that gotten any easier in
recent years -- since the last time I gave up trying??


Yes, it has. With a Linux machine host, you just set it up in CUPS. On
the rest of the Linux machines, you can have CUPS search the network and
it will find the printer. For XP, you will want to install an IPP
interface printer. If you really want to, and you have Samba running on
the host machine, you can share that way too, but it is more work.


	Man, it must have! The last time (about FC3 iirc), a friendly 
soul spent days trying to walk me through it, and finally had to quit 
before we ever got it to work. After that, I also tried buying a hardware 
printserver -- and never managed to get that to work, either...


	Poking around, I can't tell# CUPS whether what I got into was 
CUPS or not. $ cups, $ CUPS, # cups, and # CUPS all get "command not 
found." (rpm -q does tell me I have cups-1.3.9-1.fc9.i386)


	So I started looking in the Main Menu. The likeliest launcher, 
afaict, points to /usr/bin/system-config-printer; is that it? I hit the 
usual glass wall with that -- asking me things in jargon, as if being 
English words made their technical sense plain.


Yes, that's it.

	I remember there was a way to make at least some browsers handle 
the configuration -- but not how to launch it; maybe that has gotten 
easier, too.


You can still do that by pointing a browser at http://localhost:631.
That's the administrative interface to CUPS directly, but you really
don't need to use it unless you're doing something VERY odd.

system-config-printer (or in Gnome "System->Administration->Printing")
it plenty enough.

	Do you have a favorite tutorial on the web somewhere? I know 
there are some -- which looked a bit daunting last time I saw them...


To set up a local printer, click on the "Add Printer" button and enter
the data that's asked for.  Once it's added, select it in the left pane
and on the "Settings" tab, click the "Make Default Printer" button and
this new printer becomes the default.

To share local printers, select "Server Settings" in the left pane and
check the "Share published printers connected to this system" box.  If
you want, you can also check "Allow printing from the Internet" box,
too.

On the client machines, select "Server Settings" and check the "Show
printers shared by other systems" box.  After a few minutes, you should
see the printers offered by the other machines show up under "Remote
Printers" in the left pane.  When you ask some application to print, you
should be able to choose one of the printers that appear in that left
pane.

Can't get a whole lot easier than that.
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Re: 54 GB in /var/log!! -- UPDATE

2008-10-28 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 16:48 +, g wrote:
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> 
> Björn Persson wrote:
> 
> > Switching the KVM switch is equivalent to unplugging all the devices from 
> > one
> > computer and plugging them into another. Linux will print some messages 
> > every
> > time you plug in or remove a USB device

no - a kvm should provide a continuous connection to each system but
only route mouse/keyboard events when the proper terminal is selected.
Other USB device event routing is sort of up to the imagination of the
device developers as there really isn't much of a standard here.

I clearly don't have problems switching around systems with KVM
including USB and/or PS/2 keyboard & mice & even a Wacom tablet

> as a 'side note', this should serve as a warning to anyone considering using
> a kvm switch.
> 
> non usb kvm switches do not have this problem. i have a ps/2 kvm switch
> that works great and yet to have any problems when switching between systems.

it would help if you followed the conversation...the problem is not usb
kvm which are actually becoming the norm because most modern
motherboards do not even bother with ps/2 connectors, but rather that
his particular kvm offers the ability to become a device hub which
theoretically, meant that you could plug devices such as usb printers
and they were for most purposes, shared. The devil of course is in the
details and apparently the details aren't handled too well on that
particular kvm.

Craig

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Re: FONTS

2008-10-28 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Check the manual for your monitor to find the correct dpi of your monitor. 
There might be a formula to calculate it. You might need the dot pitch of the 
monitor (google for it, if you need it), or the optimal resolution (number of 
pixels across x number of pixels down).

Mine is 96, as stated in the manual, so I simply choose 96 for my fonts, too. 
KDE also allows 120 for fonts, but I have not tried it, as it exceeds my 
monitor's capabilities. It is my impression that most TTF fonts are created for 
96 dpi, but I might be mistaken.

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Re: Oracle 11g on Fedora 9

2008-10-28 Thread Fred Silsbee



--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Gene Poole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Gene Poole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Oracle 11g on Fedora 9
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 4:58 PM
> Does anyone have experience installing and running the
> Oracle 11g database 
> on Fedora 9?
>  The machine has a AMD X2 64-bit 5600+ with 4 GB RAM.
> 
> Thanks,
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http://www.puschitz.com/ has been a great Oracle install help site (dunno now)

Once an Oracle install was deemed impossible by any person other than Oracle 
long time admins. Looks great on your resume!

I did the install twice in pre Fedora Redhat.

Now I enjoy MySQL!


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Re: password question.

2008-10-28 Thread Amy Kelly
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:15, Steven W. Orr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Under F9, I want to create an account such that the user will be required to
> change the password on login, but I don't have control over how soon (or
> late) the user will get to that first login. Is there a way to do it? The
> passwd command didn't look like it had anything useful.
>
> TIA

I've used the Gnome and KDE User Account GUI's to do this when I was
setting up a second account for the boy to use - when you set the
password, there's a ticky box to force the user to change the password
on the first login. You set it to expire the password and set the
number of logins before forced to change to 0.

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Re: Oracle 11g on Fedora 9

2008-10-28 Thread Fred Silsbee



--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Gene Poole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Gene Poole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Oracle 11g on Fedora 9
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 4:58 PM
> Does anyone have experience installing and running the
> Oracle 11g database 
> on Fedora 9?
>  The machine has a AMD X2 64-bit 5600+ with 4 GB RAM.
> 
> Thanks,
> Gene-- 

http://www.puschitz.com/ has been a great Oracle install help site (dunno now)

Once an Oracle install was deemed impossible by any person other than Oracle 
long time admins. Looks great on your resume!

I did the install twice in pre Fedora Redhat.

Now I enjoy MySQL!

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Re: X over a reverse SSH tunnel

2008-10-28 Thread Les Mikesell

Tom Brown wrote:


thanks for this tip but i wonder if what i require is possible, i am 
sure it is but i cant seem to get it working.


I need to be able to do the following


work pc <-> home linux box <-> windows client on home network

Using the following which i run on my work PC i can ssh from home back 
to work


ssh -R 5050:localhost:22 -p 443 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


You have to set
GatewayPorts yes
in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and be sure port 5050 is permitted by your host 
firewall to allow this forwarding to work for other hosts on the home 
side.  You might also have to specify the interface to bind to. Try 
connecting with putty from the windows box to test it.


You might find it easier to run an openvpn tunnel.

Now this works and from my home linux box i can shell back into work. Is 
there some additional step i can do so that i can run the nomachine 
client on a home windows box and connect it to the home linux box so 
that i can use the gui on my work pc ?


make sense??


In the NX client on your windows box, set the host address and port to 
use the tunnel you have set up - and install the correct client key if 
you are using freenx and it should work.  As long as you don't check the 
box under 'advanced' that says 'disable encryption of all traffic' 
everything should run through its internally set up ssh tunnel (which 
shouldn't care that it is running through your reverse tunnel_.


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Re: FEDORA net etiquette

2008-10-28 Thread g
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

g wrote:
> Joachim Backes wrote:


in addition,

from one of your old emails:

following header, hidden from view;

} This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format.
}
} --===0861191616==
} Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature";
}   micalg=sha1; boundary="ms020304010903010103040406"

following message, also hidden from view;

} This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format.
}
} --ms020304010903010103040406
} Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s"
} Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
} Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s"
} Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature


from my email:

 following header, viewable in body;

} -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
} Hash: SHA1

following message, viewable in body;

} -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
} Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux)
} Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org
}
} iD8DBQFJB0ei+C4Bj9Rkw/wRAhJPAJ957emisz88kdWCXs2WoZa1kKqz6QCdG0h+
} 4W1vvCZAGzu1qD4RiNX4NaQ=
} =nrdt
} -END PGP SIGNATURE-

my pgp signing is created from 8 characters and not in 'mime' format,
which would be an additional waste of bandwidth.

i do not have a clear understand of how all this is done, but i am
sure that there are others on this list that can elaborate.
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Re: Fedora 9 64 bis

2008-10-28 Thread Rick Stevens

Alan Cox wrote:

On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:05:24 +1100
hce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi,

I've just installed Fedora 9 64 bit on an Intel PC i686. Is there an
enviirnment macro I can check on a makefile to find it is a 64 bit OS?


You can ask the system itself: uname -a


Uh, more like "uname -m".  On a 32-bit machine:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# uname -m
i686

On a 64-bit machine:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# uname -m
x86_64

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Re: password question.

2008-10-28 Thread Aldo Foot
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Steven W. Orr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Under F9, I want to create an account such that the user will be required to
> change the password on login, but I don't have control over how soon (or
> late) the user will get to that first login. Is there a way to do it? The
> passwd command didn't look like it had anything useful.
>
> TIA
>

as root at the CLI:
  # chage -d 01/01/1970 
The user will be prompted to change his password next login.

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Re: Slow Second Access to Internet

2008-10-28 Thread Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:11:50 -0700, Peter Langfelder wrote:

[...]
> It seems your DNS lookup is intermittently slow. I'd log into the
> router/web gateway (192.168.1.1 in your browser or so) and run the DNS
> lookup diagnostic test - if it is shows similar behaviour, you will know
> it's a problem with your internet provider. I used to see such problems
> in the past and IIRC they always cleared up upon talking to the
> provider.
> 
> Peter

I actually have two routers, and in neither could I
find the DNS test you mention.  However, on the same
LAN I have three MSWin boxes, two XP and one 2k, and
none of these have exhibited the same problem.  Does
this not rule out the provider?

Mike.

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Re: FONTS

2008-10-28 Thread Claude Jones
On Mon October 27 2008 6:07:42 pm David Hláčik wrote:
> And as it is 100times better to see than write, here is actual
> screenshot of my desktop : http://www.hlacik.eu/screen.png
>
> Please take a look at it and tell me - why my eyes are hurting
> looking at that?
>
> Thanks in advance!

Your evidence speaks to your point - I would be complaining as 
well. I don't have an idea for you, though I would probably begin 
by eliminating all customizations, getting rid of twin-view, and 
just going back to basic-install mode. I've brought Fedora up on 
better than 30 machines, and other Linux distros on many more, 
and the only times I've seen what you show is when I had issues 
that couldn't rightfully be blamed on the distro - mostly screen 
resolution. Others are saying they too have had issues so, I 
guess my own sample is not big enough. Good luck. 

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Re: password question.

2008-10-28 Thread Rick Stevens

Steven W. Orr wrote:
Under F9, I want to create an account such that the user will be 
required to change the password on login, but I don't have control over 
how soon (or late) the user will get to that first login. Is there a way 
to do it? The passwd command didn't look like it had anything useful.


You can use "usermod -f -1 -e -MM-DD

The "-f -1" says that the account is never locked, but the "-e
-MM-DD" says "the password expired on year , month MM and day
DD".  If you set that to today, e.g.

usermod -f -1 -e 2008-10-28 fred

user fred will have to change his password on the next login.  See
"man usermod" for details.
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Re: password question.

2008-10-28 Thread Rick Stevens

Aldo Foot wrote:

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Steven W. Orr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Under F9, I want to create an account such that the user will be required to
change the password on login, but I don't have control over how soon (or
late) the user will get to that first login. Is there a way to do it? The
passwd command didn't look like it had anything useful.

TIA



as root at the CLI:
  # chage -d 01/01/1970 
The user will be prompted to change his password next login.


Yeah, that works too.  Rats!  Why couldn't I remember that one!  Yet
another senior moment at work!
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Re: password question.

2008-10-28 Thread Robert P. J. Day

Quoting Rick Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Aldo Foot wrote:

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Steven W. Orr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Under F9, I want to create an account such that the user will be   
required to

change the password on login, but I don't have control over how soon (or
late) the user will get to that first login. Is there a way to do it? The
passwd command didn't look like it had anything useful.

TIA



as root at the CLI:
 # chage -d 01/01/1970 
The user will be prompted to change his password next login.


Yeah, that works too.  Rats!  Why couldn't I remember that one!  Yet
another senior moment at work!


  hmmm ... i interpreted the OP's question as asking how to force a new
user to set a password on first login, but *also* to put a time limit
on how long that person had to log in before the account was locked.

  as in, if a new user is too lazy to log in to a new account, then
after a week of complete non-use, it locks automatically.  as long
as the user gets to it before then, they have to set a new password,
after which they're good to go.

  was this addressed?

rday


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Re: FEDORA net etiquette

2008-10-28 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 12:05 -0400, Chris Snook wrote:
> Joachim Backes wrote:
...
> > My question: are there rules for the fedora email traffic saying: do not 
> > use signatures?
> 
> No.  Proper use of PKI (such as GPG signatures) is worth a few bytes.  Anyone 
> who desperately cares about this can choose to receive mail in daily digest 
> format, which saves far more in headers than would be consumed even if 
> everyone 
> on the list used GPG.
> 
> -- Chris
> 

... All nice and dandy, but it would have been nice if anyone would have
been able to give me -one- solid reason why he/she needs to sign his/her
messages - when they are being posted in a high-volume public ML. (Geek
factor not included)

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Re: Slow Second Access to Internet

2008-10-28 Thread Mark Haney

Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED wrote:

In my FC7, using Firefox, if for example, I access
www.google.com, I get an essentially instantaneous
response.  If I then close the browser, reopen it,
and again try to access google, there is a long
delay, perhaps a minute before I get the response.
(I note that my browser is set to delete all
private on closing.)  During this delay, the
browser reports that it is looking up the URL.
If I then wait a few minutes I can repeat the
whole scenario.

I suspect that something similar may be happening
with my Pan news reader.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Mike.



Does this happen with any other browsers?  I know Pan can be really 
sluggish at times, so I tend to discount that app as far as network 
reaction times go.


Does opera or Konqueror do that?  I haven't seen this problem in FF on 
my Fedora boxes.



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Re: Slow Second Access to Internet

2008-10-28 Thread Peter Langfelder
>
> I actually have two routers, and in neither could I
> find the DNS test you mention.  However, on the same
> LAN I have three MSWin boxes, two XP and one 2k, and
> none of these have exhibited the same problem.  Does
> this not rule out the provider?

I'm not sure - IIRC Windows uses a local DNS cache so it doesn't go
through a DNS server every time. You can clear the DNS cache and try
it again on Windows to make sure.

On my router (Westell something) the DNS test is under the
Advanced->Diagnostics tab.

Peter

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Re: FEDORA net etiquette

2008-10-28 Thread g
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Gilboa Davara wrote:

> ... All nice and dandy, but it would have been nice if anyone would have
> been able to give me -one- solid reason why he/she needs to sign his/her
> messages

how about because it is a requirement by his and many other colleges and
universities thru out world.
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the kind of endorsement you can live without

2008-10-28 Thread Robert P. J. Day

  ok, this is just plain creepy:

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=529481

rday

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Re: FEDORA net etiquette

2008-10-28 Thread g
some thing i should have done before sending last post.

clicking arrow beside 'openpgp', shows 'sign message' checked.
clicking arrow beside 's/mime', shows 'do not encrypt this message' checked.

if you change these setting and shorten your key, you will should still conform
to pki and have a shorter sig.

also, in thunderbird window, click 'openpgp', click 'about openpgp' and go
from there.
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C++ and FTP

2008-10-28 Thread iztok

Hello,

I have to use FTP connection in C++ applications.

I found some tutorials, but nothing interesting.

Has anybody been doing with FTP functions?

I will need some tutorials about it.

Thank you.

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Re: the kind of endorsement you can live without

2008-10-28 Thread g
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>ok, this is just plain creepy:

what is creepy?

that a poster had f10 work?

or their sigs?
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Re: C++ and FTP

2008-10-28 Thread Waleed Harbi
To find code:
http://www.google.com/codesearch
http://www.koders.com/
http://www.codase.com/

Tutorials:
http://www.planet-source-code.com/vb/Tutorial/default.asp?lngWId=3
http://www.marshallsoft.com/fce_4c.htm

I hope that help you.

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> Hello,
>
> I have to use FTP connection in C++ applications.
>
> I found some tutorials, but nothing interesting.
>
> Has anybody been doing with FTP functions?
>
> I will need some tutorials about it.
>
> Thank you.
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Re: password question.

2008-10-28 Thread Steven W. Orr
On Tuesday, Oct 28th 2008 at 14:00 -, quoth Robert P. J. Day:

=>Quoting Rick Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
=>
=>> Aldo Foot wrote:
=>> > On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Steven W. Orr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
=>> > wrote:
=>> > > Under F9, I want to create an account such that the user will be
=>> > > required to
=>> > > change the password on login, but I don't have control over how soon (or
=>> > > late) the user will get to that first login. Is there a way to do it?
=>> > > The
=>> > > passwd command didn't look like it had anything useful.
=>> > > 
=>> > > TIA
=>> > > 
=>> > 
=>> > as root at the CLI:
=>> > # chage -d 01/01/1970 
=>> > The user will be prompted to change his password next login.
=>> 
=>> Yeah, that works too.  Rats!  Why couldn't I remember that one!  Yet
=>> another senior moment at work!
=>
=> hmmm ... i interpreted the OP's question as asking how to force a new
=>user to set a password on first login, but *also* to put a time limit
=>on how long that person had to log in before the account was locked.
=>
=> as in, if a new user is too lazy to log in to a new account, then
=>after a week of complete non-use, it locks automatically.  as long
=>as the user gets to it before then, they have to set a new password,
=>after which they're good to go.
=>
=> was this addressed?

Thanks Robert, Actually, I'm shooting for something different. 

The passwords on this machine never expire and that's the way I want it. 
What I want to add is for all of the *new* accounts to cause a forced 
reset of the password at first login, no matter how long it takes for them 
to get to logging in. Everyone's initial password is (something like) 
ChangeMeOnLogin and I just don't want those to persist.


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Re: mount relatime option / Ext3-fs: Unrecognized mount option ...

2008-10-28 Thread gary artim
Did you post it as a problem? thanks for confirming! -- Gary

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 9:35 AM, gary artim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi --
>
> Last night I added to all my ext3 filesystem relatime, replacing noatime.
> I never remount the filesystems (my error). I then ran:
> 'yum update', and it installed a new kernel and initrd,
> 2.6.26.6-79.fc9.x86_64. From then on when I tried to boot I got:
>
> ext3-fs: Unrecognized mount option 'relatime or missing value,
> mount: error mounting /dev/root on /sysrout as ext3: invalid Argument.
>
> I booted knoppix, mount my fs, changed fstab,mtab, sync sync and
> it kept complaining  about relatime. Then I stumbled on a link saying
> the relatime
> is passed automatically by the kernel or ? (it was late, head sore
> from banging it)
>
> I rebooted the old kernel/initrd and it came up. I catted /proc/mounts and
> it showed relatime as a option, checked /etc/fstab /etc/mtab and they all
> have noatime (with relatime removed -- verifying my knoppix routine worked).
>
> Can anyone explain this? I'd like to be able to go forward with
> 2.6.26.6-79.fc9.x86_64.
> I think (no proof) that the install of the kernel removed something (?) needed
> for ext3 fs to mount cleanly, thanks for any help!
>
> -- Gary
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Re: C++ and FTP

2008-10-28 Thread Itamar - IspBrasil

try qt4


On 10/28/2008 4:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello,

I have to use FTP connection in C++ applications.

I found some tutorials, but nothing interesting.

Has anybody been doing with FTP functions?

I will need some tutorials about it.

Thank you.




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Re: FEDORA net etiquette

2008-10-28 Thread Frank Cox
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:08:16 +
g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> how about because it is a requirement by his and many other colleges and
> universities thru out world.

Your answer can be paraphrased as "We require it because it's required."

Which begs the question.

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Re: FEDORA net etiquette

2008-10-28 Thread Michael H. Warfield
On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 20:03 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 12:05 -0400, Chris Snook wrote:
> > Joachim Backes wrote:
> ...
> > > My question: are there rules for the fedora email traffic saying: do not 
> > > use signatures?
> > 
> > No.  Proper use of PKI (such as GPG signatures) is worth a few bytes.  
> > Anyone 
> > who desperately cares about this can choose to receive mail in daily digest 
> > format, which saves far more in headers than would be consumed even if 
> > everyone 
> > on the list used GPG.
> > 
> > -- Chris
> > 

> ... All nice and dandy, but it would have been nice if anyone would have
> been able to give me -one- solid reason why he/she needs to sign his/her
> messages - when they are being posted in a high-volume public ML. (Geek
> factor not included)

Real simple.  Always sign messages when ever and where ever possible.
The exception should only be those cases where it is precluded for some
reason.

As I stated in an earlier message, this has to do with traffic analysis
as well as "preponderance of evidence" issues.  That's two good reasons
which have been well discussed in various cryptography forums and
amongst security professionals for years.  I remember having this debate
in the PGP forums on USENET some 15 years ago.  If you don't agree with
it (and many still don't) that fine.  I'm still signing and if someone
can't handle that, it's their problem.

I would also point out one other important reason.  Regressions.  I've
personally helped trouble shoot several significant problems in MTA's
and filtering systems (MailScanner) when problems have cropped up where
my signature didn't verify.  Problems resolved down into corruptions in
transports which then had to then be fixed.

> - Gilboa

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Re: FEDORA net etiquette

2008-10-28 Thread Gilboa Davara

On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 18:08 +, g wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Gilboa Davara wrote:
> 
> > ... All nice and dandy, but it would have been nice if anyone would
> have
> > been able to give me -one- solid reason why he/she needs to sign
> his/her
> > messages
> 
> how about because it is a requirement by his and many other colleges
> and
> universities thru out world.

A. You can always decide to whether to sign a message or not - on a
per-message basis.
B. With so many free email services, noting forces you to use your
primary email account to post ML messages.

E.g. My company has an annoying policy the requires all employees to use
a huge HTML signature on all outgoing emails  - hence, I always use my
gmail account to post non-work-related-message.

- Gilboa


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Re: pdf converter

2008-10-28 Thread Frank Cox
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:11:51 -0400
Chris Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You mean, besides openoffice?  There's cups-pdf, which acts as a printer, but 
> saves to pdf.

I recently discovered that PDF files created by OO3 "export" are smaller than
files created by cups-pdf from the same OO document.

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Re: FEDORA net etiquette

2008-10-28 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Gilboa Davara wrote:
> 
> ... All nice and dandy, but it would have been nice if anyone would have
> been able to give me -one- solid reason why he/she needs to sign his/her
> messages - when they are being posted in a high-volume public ML. (Geek
> factor not included)
> 
> - Gilboa
> 
Well, I have had messages send on more then one "high-volume public
ML" that did not come from me, but looked like they did. I would
have thought the contents of the message would have been enough to
let people know it was not from me, but I was wrong. So I sign all
my messages now. I can not "prove" that an unsigned message did not
come from me, but I would hope an unsigned message posted to the
list would cause people to take a closer look at it.

While it is not as necessary for me to keep up a positive reputation
on the Internet as it used to be, I still do not want other people
saying things in my name. But that may not be important to others on
the list, or they have other ways to handle it...

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Re: password question.

2008-10-28 Thread Aldo Foot
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Rick Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah, that works too.  Rats!  Why couldn't I remember that one!  Yet
> another senior moment at work!

That's not too bad... as when I have my car keys in my left hand and
I keep wondering where I put them. :-)

~af

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Re: C++ and FTP

2008-10-28 Thread Fred Silsbee



--- On Tue, 10/28/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: C++ and FTP
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 6:10 PM
> Hello,
> 
> I have to use FTP connection in C++ applications.
> 
> I found some tutorials, but nothing interesting.
> 
> Has anybody been doing with FTP functions?
> 
> I will need some tutorials about it.
> 
> Thank you.
> 

I have a FTP client I wrote using Qt 4.4...I can email with instructions for 
compile and execute.

Also see the ftp client code in a book:

http://www.amazon.com/Foundations-Development-Experts-Voice-Source/dp/1590598318/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1225218141&sr=1-1

download the code to get a ftp client in Qt 4.4

I can also email the code .zip

Qt 4.4 is free and already installed with F9


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