[Bug 477427] Please convert to new font packaging guidelines

2009-01-03 Thread bugzilla
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--- Comment #5 from Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net  2009-01-03 
04:22:05 EDT ---
Ideally, one per font family. It's not an obligation yet, but the obligation
text is already in FPC's queue.

But do check with upstream the font origin and licensing. It may be they're not
all licensed in a Fedora-compatible way, or that they're already packaged
somewhere else.

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[Bug 477427] Please convert to new font packaging guidelines

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--- Comment #6 from Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net  2009-01-03 
04:23:38 EDT ---
See also
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-fonts-list/2008-December/msg00020.html

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[Bug 478662] Review Request: dustismo-fonts - font with serif and sans-serif versions

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Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net changed:

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--- Comment #2 from Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net  2009-01-03 
04:27:59 EDT ---
(In reply to comment #1)
 GPLv2+ is a bad license for fonts in Fedora.

True. Nevertheless currently we do accept GPL-only fonts in Fedora, as long as
their packagers continue to try to locate right holders and add the FSF Font
exception to the license. There are just too many GPL-only fonts :(

Just don't use them to create PDFs

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[Bug 477440] Please convert to new font packaging guidelines

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--- Comment #8 from Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net  2009-01-03 
04:42:22 EDT ---
It's worth a try.
You could also remind upstream to add fontconfig support so it can
auto-discover system fonts like other apps

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[Bug 477422] Please convert to new font packaging guidelines

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Balint Cristian re...@rdsor.ro changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |CLOSED
 Resolution||NEXTRELEASE




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[Bug 477044] [Tracker] Deploy new font packaging guidelines for Fedora 11

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Bug 477044 depends on bug 477422, which changed state.

Bug 477422 Summary: Please convert to new font packaging guidelines
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=477422

   What|Old Value   |New Value

 Status|NEW |CLOSED
 Resolution||NEXTRELEASE



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[Bug 478695] New: Firefox crashes in pango-hangul-fc.so

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Summary: Firefox crashes in pango-hangul-fc.so

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=478695

   Summary: Firefox crashes in pango-hangul-fc.so
   Product: Fedora
   Version: 10
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: NEW
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: pango
AssignedTo: besfa...@redhat.com
ReportedBy: mc...@redhat.com
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CC: besfa...@redhat.com, fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com
Classification: Fedora


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Backtrace from crashed firefox

Description of problem:
When running wikipedia search in Ctrl-K query dialog in Firefox, firefox
crashed with the attached backtrace.

Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):
firefox-3.0.5-1.fc10.i386
pango-1.22.3-1.fc10.i386
xulrunner-1.9.0.5-1.fc10.i386

How reproducible:
happened once

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Re: Outage Notification - 2009-01-03 04:16 UTC

2009-01-03 Thread Mike McGrath
On Fri, 2 Jan 2009, Mike McGrath wrote:

 There is a current unscheduled outage starting at 2009-01-03 UTC, which
 will last for an unknown amount of time.


Should be over now, tech replaced mobo and we're back in business.  Happy
new year all!

-Mike

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calling out for a sponsor

2009-01-03 Thread Sascha Thomas Spreitzer
Hello list,

im shouting out for a sponsor, is someone willing to sponsor me?

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Re: calling out for a sponsor

2009-01-03 Thread Ricky Zhou
On 2009-01-03 10:29:18 PM, Sascha Thomas Spreitzer wrote:
 im shouting out for a sponsor, is someone willing to sponsor me?
Hey, what type of things are you interested in working on (as in, what
groups are you looking for sponsors for)?  

Thanks,
Ricky


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Re: Disk IO issues

2009-01-03 Thread Matt Domsch
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 02:42:27PM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
 Lets pool some knowledge together because at this point, I'm missing
 something.
 
 I've been doing all measurements with sar as bonnie, etc, causes builds to
 timeout.
 
 Problem: We're seeing slower then normal disk IO.  At least I think we
 are.  This is a PERC5/E and MD1000 array.
 
 When I try to do a normal copy cp -adv /mnt/koji/packages /tmp/ I get
 around 4-6MBytes/s

That's sucky.
 
 When I do a cp of a large file cp /mnt/koji/out /tmp/ I get
 30-40MBytes/s.
 
 If I cat /dev/sde  /dev/null I get between 225-300MBytes/s read.

That's about what I would expect for straight block reads.

 The above tests are pretty consistent.  /dev/sde is a raid5 array,
 hardware raid.

Remember, RAID 5's worst performance is for writes.  In your 14-drive
array, it has to calculate parity across all the drives, then write
the data across all the drives.  As long as it's pure writes (e.g. not
read/modify/write) it's not so bad, but still slower than you might
think.

What ext3 journaling options are enabled (e.g. what does 'mount' say)?
If it's data=ordered (the default), that's OK.  If it's data=journal,
then all the data gets written twice (first to the journal, then the
journal to the disk), which is really really slow, and the size of the
journal would really make a difference too.

RAID controllers also tend to benefit from using the noop scheduler,
which effectively defers the scheduling to the RAID controller.

Note that cp doesn't fdatasync(), so the I/Os will be scheduled, but
not necessarily completed, when cp returns.  Which might make your
numbers even more optimistic than they really are. :-(

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Re: Disk IO issues

2009-01-03 Thread Kostas Georgiou
On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 06:32:38PM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote:

 What ext3 journaling options are enabled (e.g. what does 'mount' say)?
 If it's data=ordered (the default), that's OK.  If it's data=journal,
 then all the data gets written twice (first to the journal, then the
 journal to the disk), which is really really slow, and the size of the
 journal would really make a difference too.

For an NFS server (assuming that you aren't exporting as async)
data=journal can give you better performance than anything else
actually. The NFS howto has a brief note in the performance section
about this.

Kostas

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Re: Disk IO issues

2009-01-03 Thread Matt Domsch
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 03:02:55AM +, Kostas Georgiou wrote:
 On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 06:32:38PM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote:
 
  What ext3 journaling options are enabled (e.g. what does 'mount' say)?
  If it's data=ordered (the default), that's OK.  If it's data=journal,
  then all the data gets written twice (first to the journal, then the
  journal to the disk), which is really really slow, and the size of the
  journal would really make a difference too.
 
 For an NFS server (assuming that you aren't exporting as async)
 data=journal can give you better performance than anything else
 actually. The NFS howto has a brief note in the performance section
 about this.

Yes, if the slowness is seen by applications on the client side of the
NFS server, data=journal on the NFS server can help.

Mike, your tests were all on the local file system, not across an NFS
connection, right?

data=journal can only buffer up to the size of the journal.  Given the
comments about speed with large files, unless the journal is
specifically tuned to be large enough to handle them, no dice.


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Re: F10 and Pulseaudio

2009-01-03 Thread Niels Weber
Replying to myself as I found something out...

2008/12/11 Niels Weber nathelb...@gmail.com:
 So it seems that Pulseaudio is working after all... now I need only to
 find out how to get surround sound.

After looking into the PulseAudio FAQ, that was quite easy:

http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ#IhaveasurroundsoundcardbutPulseAudiousesjustthefrontspeakers

To enable all the channels, edit /etc/pulse/daemon.conf: uncomment
the default-sample-channels line (i.e. remove the semicolon from the
beginning of the line) and set the value to 6 if you have a 5.1 setup,
or 8 if you have 7.1 setup etc. After doing the edit, restart
pulseaudio.

That was all. Really easy compared to what I had to do back then to
get surround working with alsa alone on one of the older Fedoras
(which took me weeks).

Now, surround works even in Prey - which it didn't with my previous
setup (without PA under F8).

Niels

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Re: Jackd Problems -- alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 1227061150613.504 msecs

2009-01-03 Thread Paulo Cavalcanti
On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Jonathan Ryshpan jonr...@pacbell.netwrote:

 On Wed, 2008-11-19 at 18:49 -0200, Paulo Cavalcanti wrote:

  On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 1:28 AM, Jonathan Ryshpan jonr...@pacbell.net
 wrote:
  In the past I've never had any problems running jackd.  Now I'm
 getting
  a very large number of messages reading:
  alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 1227061150613.504 msecs
  I'm running F9 on an x86_64 system with all updates installed.
  Pulseaudio is not running.  Jackd is started via qjackctl.  No
 past
  problems with audio beyond the usual conflicts between pulseaudio
 and
  firefox.
 
  Questions:
  (1) What exactly does this message mean?  An xrun is a buffer
 under-
  or over-run -- but what does the time interval represent?
 
  (2) Whatever the time interval means, it looks rather large.
  1227061150613.504 msec is many days (or maybe years if msec means
  millisec and not microsec)  This looks like a misconfiguration of
 some
  kind or a missing component.  Any idea what it might be?
 
 
  The solution depends on your card (I have an Intel onboard card).
  But this material may give you an idea on what you can try:
 
 
 http://people.atrpms.net/~pcavalcanti/alsa-1.0.15rc2_snd-hda-intel.html#jackhttp://people.atrpms.net/%7Epcavalcanti/alsa-1.0.15rc2_snd-hda-intel.html#jack

 Thanks for the very useful pointer.  Now I am stuck on what ought to be
 a very simple problem:  What options can be given to my own driver (or
 generally any alsa driver)?  My own driver appears to be snd_intel8x0,
 which is documented at
http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-intel8x0
 Unfortunately the parm:s (supposing these the possible arguments to an
 option statement in modules.conf) don't seem to include all possible
 options to be applied to this module.

 Sorry for being so dense - jon



 modinfo snd_intel8x0


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Re: X locks up after a random time

2009-01-03 Thread Anne Wilson
On Saturday 03 January 2009 01:36:01 Rex Dieter wrote:
 Marko Vojinovic wrote:
  Ok, this is a Fujitsu Siemens Esprimo U9200, with Intel graphics, F10
  64bit, updated last week. KDE desktop, compiz and all, but I believe it
  is not related.

 Interesting, I'd noticed the same thing over the past few days... hmm (Dell
 Latitude D620 here).

 In the meantime, I've tried backing down to using kernel-2.6.27.7-134.fc10
 (from kernel-2.6.27.9-159.fc10) to see if that makes any difference.

This Mandriva laptop has a variation on that.  With Desktop Effects on I get 
random freezes, but I also get times when the mouse can move the cursor 
around, but neither mouse-clicks or keyboard usage is registered.  This has 
happened throughout, so I don't think that it's kernel-specific, but I do 
think that it is probably related to what you are both seeing.

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Re: is KDE dead - did Gnome win?

2009-01-03 Thread Ambrogio
On ven, 2009-01-02 at 16:26 -0400, Armin wrote:

 Guys, for god's sake, this thread is really starting to walk on my nerves.  
 Have you guys ever tried 4.2 beta 2?  And plus, if you love evolution, why 
 not 
 just use gnome.  KMail in my opinion is way better and easier to configure 
 that 
 evolution and kde apps just make sense, and that is why I chose KDE.
I use KDE from official repos for Fedora 9.
I don't have time to install and test the 4.2beta2 version, because I
don't have skills to do it. 
I don't work very well with desktops.
I prefere KDE only because I ever used it. Maybe I will like Gnome if I
will start to use it.

Changing from kde3 to kde4 maybe could be the right moment to switch to
gnome, because kde4 is very different from the kde3 but I will stay on
KDE.

If I love evolution can I use it on KDE? I used it on KDE for years, why
I have to switch to gnome now?

And if I love gimp, I have to switch to gnome?
And if after I love ktorrent or sone k* I have to switch to KDE?

So, it's better to have 2 desktop session and switch from one to the
other simply clicking ctrl-alt-F6 and clicking ctrl-alt-F7 for example?
I don't understand this approach... I like linux because it permit me to
choise between desktops, between application.
Now I think that this is not so true like in the past.

 Plus, it's very good if you guys appreciate the work of KDE devs.  They have 
 *re-written* most of KDE, and with great change comes great problems.  Use 
 it, 
 love it, adore it, and report it, and help it. :)
 If you don't have coding skills, help with the artwork, bug reports, 
 documentation, etc. etc. and if you do have coding skills, fix the bugs.  
 It's 
 that easy!
I'm involved in some other QA on the open source, so I know that this is
a good approach to the problem, but before to open a bug I will know if
I'm the only one that has the problem, or is a choice.

 On top of all, I can do things now that I have never been able to do in KDE 
 3.x.
That's true, but you can't do things that you done in the past

 Happy new year :)
Happy new year to you too

Bye
 Ambrogio

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Help... Can't boot!

2009-01-03 Thread John Aldrich
I was using Fedora Core 6, just fine, but decided since it was so out  
of date, that I'd upgrade to Fedora 10. Now, for some reason, it won't  
boot. It keeps saying Unknown Partition Type 0x5.


This is the same *exact* system that was working with Core 6, all I  
did was install over the old version (except for /home and a storage  
partition.)


I'm using X86_64 where before I was using i386, but that shouldn't  
matter, should it?


All data drives are IDE/PATA, but I'm installing off a SATA DVD ROM.

HELP!!! I need to get this up and running as it's my primary desktop  
machine. I am stuck using my wife's XP box until I can get it back up  
and running! :-(


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Re: Help... Can't boot!

2009-01-03 Thread Stuart

On 03/01/09 11:10, John Aldrich wrote:

I was using Fedora Core 6, just fine, but decided since it was so out of
date, that I'd upgrade to Fedora 10. Now, for some reason, it won't
boot. It keeps saying Unknown Partition Type 0x5.


At which point does it say that?
Do you get as far as the grub menu?

Partition type 0x5 is an 'Extended' partition. (/dev/sda4 or equivalent, 
usually) - this suggests to me that your grub.conf is incorrect, 
probably containing a line similar to

root (hd0,3)

But you can see this (I hope) by hitting 'e' at boot time, assuming you 
get as far as the grub countdown/menu.


How many disks do you have in the box and what's your partitioning scheme?


This is the same *exact* system that was working with Core 6, all I did
was install over the old version (except for /home and a storage
partition.)

I'm using X86_64 where before I was using i386, but that shouldn't
matter, should it?


nope


All data drives are IDE/PATA, but I'm installing off a SATA DVD ROM.


okay, how many are there? And which one do you want to boot from?


HELP!!! I need to get this up and running as it's my primary desktop
machine. I am stuck using my wife's XP box until I can get it back up
and running! :-(



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Re: is KDE dead - did Gnome win?

2009-01-03 Thread Anne Wilson
On Saturday 03 January 2009 10:52:40 Ambrogio wrote:
 On ven, 2009-01-02 at 16:26 -0400, Armin wrote:


 If I love evolution can I use it on KDE? I used it on KDE for years, why
 I have to switch to gnome now?

 And if I love gimp, I have to switch to gnome?
 And if after I love ktorrent or sone k* I have to switch to KDE?

 So, it's better to have 2 desktop session and switch from one to the
 other simply clicking ctrl-alt-F6 and clicking ctrl-alt-F7 for example?
 I don't understand this approach... I like linux because it permit me to
 choise between desktops, between application.
 Now I think that this is not so true like in the past.

Hi, Ambrogio.  You really don't have to switch to gnome to use evolution or 
gimp, or any other application (nor would you have to switch to kde if you 
were running in gnome and wanted to run a kde application).  Installing the 
application you want will pull in any necessary libraries, and the application 
will run on either desktop.  I do use some gnome applications on my kde 
desktop.

  Plus, it's very good if you guys appreciate the work of KDE devs.  They
  have *re-written* most of KDE, and with great change comes great
  problems.  Use it, love it, adore it, and report it, and help it. :)
  If you don't have coding skills, help with the artwork, bug reports,
  documentation, etc. etc. and if you do have coding skills, fix the bugs. 
  It's that easy!

 I'm involved in some other QA on the open source, so I know that this is
 a good approach to the problem, but before to open a bug I will know if
 I'm the only one that has the problem, or is a choice.

Agreed - I also prefer to check whether others experience a problem, since if 
I'm the only one experiencing it, it's likely to be my configuration that's at 
fault.

  On top of all, I can do things now that I have never been able to do in
  KDE 3.x.

 That's true, but you can't do things that you done in the past

A few, but not many now.  The problem is that some of the things are done 
differently, so if there are particular things that you miss, do ask.  We may 
be able to tell you how to do it, and if not, we may be able to tell you 
whether it is work-in-progress.

Anne


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X with neither KDE nor Gnome

2009-01-03 Thread Dave Feustel
I am experimenting with various niche window managers. I have removed
all KDE software and XFCE still runs ok. Can I also delete all of gnome
software without impacting XFCE? Usually I run only Xterm and Firefox.

Thanks.

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F10 and encrypted partitions - positive outcome

2009-01-03 Thread Mike Cloaked

One thing that has not been discussed on this forum for a while is the issue
of the handling of encrypted partitions in F10.

I have an old test laptop that had previously been installed with F9 with
encrypted swap, /, and /opt partitions and an unencrypted /boot partition.

I ran a clean F10 install and asked the installer to reformat the swap, root
and /opt partitions, which it did.

The nice surprise was that on firstboot the system asked me to enter the
luks passphrase for the root partition and seemed to have stored the
passphrases for the other partitions within the root partition so only a
single passphrase was requested. This is excellent and means that booting
the fully encrypted system is now very user friendly.  

This makes usability (user friendliness) excellent - so congrats to the
developers for getting this right in F10.

I have not tried suspending that machine so I don't know if coming back from
suspend actually works for this machine but at least booting works nicely
now.
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Re: is KDE dead - did Gnome win?

2009-01-03 Thread Ambrogio
On sab, 2009-01-03 at 11:25 +, Anne Wilson wrote:
 Hi, Ambrogio.  You really don't have to switch to gnome to use evolution or 
 gimp, or any other application (nor would you have to switch to kde if you 
 were running in gnome and wanted to run a kde application).  Installing the 
 application you want will pull in any necessary libraries, and the 
 application 
 will run on either desktop.  I do use some gnome applications on my kde 
 desktop.
Yes, I know that. My mail was only a provocation :-)
About interation and integration of desktops and applications, I have a
lot of problems.

For example, I'm Italian and I like in most cases that applications
localized work well.
But, if I start gnome and I launch evolution and gimp (that are 2
applications that I use very often) menus are in italian.
If I start KDE and use the KDE apps, they are in Italian, but evolution
and gnome are in english.
I was unable to obtain the italian menu. Apps depend on desktop
configuration, so using of the environment vars wasn't usefull.

 Agreed - I also prefer to check whether others experience a problem, since if 
 I'm the only one experiencing it, it's likely to be my configuration that's 
 at 
 fault.
I think this is the right approach, and also read and check other
similar bugs or help request.

 A few, but not many now.  The problem is that some of the things are done 
 differently, so if there are particular things that you miss, do ask.  We may 
 be able to tell you how to do it, and if not, we may be able to tell you 
 whether it is work-in-progress.
I know that there are everytime things that are work-in-progress, and
other that are impossible.
I need everytime the last one :-)

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Re: Help... Can't boot!

2009-01-03 Thread John Aldrich

Quoting Stuart stu...@sjsears.com:

At which point does it say that?
Do you get as far as the grub menu?

Yes. It gets that far, and when I select that, it gives me the error.  
Even if I go as far as editing it to try and get into single mode.


Partition type 0x5 is an 'Extended' partition. (/dev/sda4 or
equivalent, usually) - this suggests to me that your grub.conf is
incorrect, probably containing a line similar to
root (hd0,3)


Ahh... that would explain it.


But you can see this (I hope) by hitting 'e' at boot time, assuming you
get as far as the grub countdown/menu.

How many disks do you have in the box and what's your partitioning scheme?

Err... Three drives, one of which is on a Promise PATA controller (my  
motherboard only had one PATA controller.)


/dev/sdb1 is /boot
/dev/sdb2 is /
/dev/sdb5 is /usr/local
/dev/sda6 is /home
/dev/sdc5 is an old /home (I think...not sure if that's my /home from  
FC6 or if sda6 is, so I'm not going to format it.)


I am not formatting /dev/sda6 or /dev/sdc5. I am formatting everything else.

I'm in the middle of reinstalling for the third or fourth time. Once  
it barfs again, I'll let you know exactly what the grub line says.


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Re: Help... Can't boot!

2009-01-03 Thread John Aldrich

Quoting Stuart stu...@sjsears.com:
[snip]


okay, how many are there? And which one do you want to boot from?

According to the installer, it's going to write the boot info to  
/dev/sda. Boot is /dev/sdb1.


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Re: is KDE dead - did Gnome win?

2009-01-03 Thread Michael Leung
I use KDE too.
Regards,
Michael Leung
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On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Ambrogio fn050...@interfree.it wrote:

 On sab, 2009-01-03 at 11:25 +, Anne Wilson wrote:
  Hi, Ambrogio.  You really don't have to switch to gnome to use evolution
 or
  gimp, or any other application (nor would you have to switch to kde if
 you
  were running in gnome and wanted to run a kde application).  Installing
 the
  application you want will pull in any necessary libraries, and the
 application
  will run on either desktop.  I do use some gnome applications on my kde
  desktop.
 Yes, I know that. My mail was only a provocation :-)
 About interation and integration of desktops and applications, I have a
 lot of problems.

 For example, I'm Italian and I like in most cases that applications
 localized work well.
 But, if I start gnome and I launch evolution and gimp (that are 2
 applications that I use very often) menus are in italian.
 If I start KDE and use the KDE apps, they are in Italian, but evolution
 and gnome are in english.
 I was unable to obtain the italian menu. Apps depend on desktop
 configuration, so using of the environment vars wasn't usefull.

  Agreed - I also prefer to check whether others experience a problem,
 since if
  I'm the only one experiencing it, it's likely to be my configuration
 that's at
  fault.
 I think this is the right approach, and also read and check other
 similar bugs or help request.

  A few, but not many now.  The problem is that some of the things are done
  differently, so if there are particular things that you miss, do ask.  We
 may
  be able to tell you how to do it, and if not, we may be able to tell you
  whether it is work-in-progress.
 I know that there are everytime things that are work-in-progress, and
 other that are impossible.
 I need everytime the last one :-)

 Bye
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 EMC Proven Specialist

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 Fax:+39 02 700430148
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Re: is KDE dead - did Gnome win?

2009-01-03 Thread Anne Wilson
On Saturday 03 January 2009 11:44:30 Ambrogio wrote:
 For example, I'm Italian and I like in most cases that applications
 localized work well.
 But, if I start gnome and I launch evolution and gimp (that are 2
 applications that I use very often) menus are in italian.
 If I start KDE and use the KDE apps, they are in Italian, but evolution
 and gnome are in english.
 I was unable to obtain the italian menu. Apps depend on desktop
 configuration, so using of the environment vars wasn't usefull.

I can see that that's a problem :-)  I'm sure it must be possible to do 
something about this, but it's a specialist area.  I wonder if Kevin Koffler 
can help?  I feel that there must be specialist lists for handling language 
problems.  I'd be inclined to try asking on kde-i18n-it - 
https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-it

Although the main focus is on translation they may well be able to tell you 
what you need to do to get the languages correctly aligned.

HTH

Anne


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ASROCK 4CoreDual-SATA2 and Fedora FC9 or FC10

2009-01-03 Thread Jean-Philippe Battu

Hello and happy new year !

I would like to know if the motherboard ASROCK 4CoreDual-SATA2
is suitable to work with the fedora kernel 2.6.X

This motherboard have a chipset which is not from Intel:
- Northbridge VIA PT880 Pro/PT880 Ultra
- Southbridge: VIA VT8237S
and it provides 2 ide slots and sata

If you use fedora with this chipset, what are your feedbacks
Thanks in advance
Cheers

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Re: Help... Can't boot!

2009-01-03 Thread John Aldrich

Quoting Stuart stu...@sjsears.com:


At which point does it say that?
Do you get as far as the grub menu?

Partition type 0x5 is an 'Extended' partition. (/dev/sda4 or
equivalent, usually) - this suggests to me that your grub.conf is
incorrect, probably containing a line similar to
root (hd0,3)

But you can see this (I hope) by hitting 'e' at boot time, assuming you
get as far as the grub countdown/menu.


Grub.conf is as follows:

root (hd1,0)
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 ro  
root=UUID=1acff5c4-7a23-414a-9e04-f356c64e24bd rhgb quiet


initrd /initrd-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64.img

device.map is as follows:
(hd0) /dev/sda
(hd1) /dev/sdb

When it tries to boot, I get the following (it skips the grub menu --  
it's the only install there):

root (hd1,0)
fs type unknown, partition type 0x5.

menu.lst is pretty much the same. as the grub.conf posted above. I  
went in and put in a 10 second delay on the menu.lst. I confirmed that  
it magically shows up in the grub.conf once I put it in the menu.lst.


I also confirmed that i no longer need the old /home partition that  
I've been keeping around because I couldn't be sure what it was. :-)  
Maybe i'll move that down to /dev/sda and make it the /boot partition  
or something.


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Re: Help... Can't boot!

2009-01-03 Thread Stuart Sears

On 03/01/09 13:24, John Aldrich wrote:

Quoting Stuart stu...@sjsears.com:


At which point does it say that?
Do you get as far as the grub menu?

Partition type 0x5 is an 'Extended' partition. (/dev/sda4 or
equivalent, usually) - this suggests to me that your grub.conf is
incorrect, probably containing a line similar to
root (hd0,3)

But you can see this (I hope) by hitting 'e' at boot time, assuming you
get as far as the grub countdown/menu.


Grub.conf is as follows:

root (hd1,0)
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 ro
root=UUID=1acff5c4-7a23-414a-9e04-f356c64e24bd rhgb quiet

initrd /initrd-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64.img

device.map is as follows:
(hd0) /dev/sda
(hd1) /dev/sdb

When it tries to boot, I get the following (it skips the grub menu --
it's the only install there):
root (hd1,0)
fs type unknown, partition type 0x5.


okay, what I would do here is use the grub console to find /boot...

in case you don't know how:

hit 'c' to bring up the console

type root (hd TAB
grub should fill in the disks it can see (hopefully hd0/1/2)

for each of those, try
root (hdX,TAB

which should give you the partition layouts and types

then for each of the (hdX,0) partitions, try

kernel (hdX,0)/ TAB

one of them should have your vmlinuz-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 file on 
it. use that one in your root (hdX,0) statement.


hit ESC to get back to the menu and edit the 'root' statement 
accordingly. See if it works after that.


I think, from your previous post, that you may be pointing grub at what 
you think is sdc, which may only have

sdc1 - Extended
sdc5 - first logical partition

on it.


I had a similar issue with the installer seeing my disks in a different 
order to what I expected.



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Re: Help... Can't boot!

2009-01-03 Thread John Aldrich

Quoting Stuart Sears stu...@sjsears.com:


okay, what I would do here is use the grub console to find /boot...

in case you don't know how:

hit 'c' to bring up the console

type root (hd TAB
grub should fill in the disks it can see (hopefully hd0/1/2)

for each of those, try
root (hdX,TAB

which should give you the partition layouts and types

then for each of the (hdX,0) partitions, try

kernel (hdX,0)/ TAB

one of them should have your vmlinuz-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 file on
it. use that one in your root (hdX,0) statement.

hit ESC to get back to the menu and edit the 'root' statement
accordingly. See if it works after that.

I think, from your previous post, that you may be pointing grub at what
you think is sdc, which may only have
sdc1 - Extended
sdc5 - first logical partition

on it.


I had a similar issue with the installer seeing my disks in a different
order to what I expected.


Well, when I boot off the install DVD in rescue mode, it shows up  
correctly. I'm reinstalling yet again, this time, I told the installer  
to swap the disk order from what is in bios. We'll see how that  
goes... Hopefully I didn't just end up wiping my /home (and all my MP3  
files! G)


If worse comes to worse, I guess I'll put the old SDC back in the  
system as the primary HDD, wipe it and let Fedora use it to boot off of.


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Re: Help... Can't boot!

2009-01-03 Thread John Aldrich

Quoting Stuart Sears stu...@sjsears.com:


I think, from your previous post, that you may be pointing grub at what
you think is sdc, which may only have
sdc1 - Extended
sdc5 - first logical partition

on it.


Well, I went by what was on the system previously (custom  
partitioning, using the same labels as FC6.) I could be wrong, but  
we'll see.


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Re: Help... Can't boot!

2009-01-03 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
John Aldrich wrote:
 Quoting Stuart stu...@sjsears.com:
 [snip]

 okay, how many are there? And which one do you want to boot from?

 According to the installer, it's going to write the boot info to
 /dev/sda. Boot is /dev/sdb1.
 
What Grub is doing is writing the boot loader for Grub to /dev/sda.
This should be the drive the BIOS boots from. This is the code that
loads the rest of Grub, where ever it is located. It is not talking
about the /boot partition. (Or /boot from the / partition.)

You can also run into the same confusion about what Grub and Linux
call root. They are not the same thing. If it helps, you can think
of Grub as its own small operating system. (Not exactly true, but it
help with understanding the differences in naming things.)

Mikkel
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Re: Compiling Programs for F10 - video4linux???

2009-01-03 Thread Rick Bilonick

On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 19:05 -0200, Paulo Cavalcanti wrote:
 
 
 On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Rick Bilonick r...@nauticom.net
 wrote:
 
 On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 18:21 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
  Rick Bilonick wrote:
   I'm trying to compile v4l-dvb for Fedora 10. Besides gcc,
 make, and
   kernel headers, what needs to be installed? I've compiled
 this for
   Fedora 8 and Ubuntu 8.10 without any problems. But I'm
 getting errors
   when I try to compile for F10.
  
  
  I get the feeling if you post the errors you are getting
 that someone
  will be able to tell you what devel package you are missing.
 
 
 I did that some time ago but did not receive any responses.
 I'll have to
 try again.
 
 
 
 
 You have to use the latest svn, or try ATrpms pre-compiled drivers:
 
 http://atrpms.net/dist/f10/video4linux/ 
 
 
 
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Thanks but I'm not sure what the point is of using ATrpms. I added
ATrpms as a repository for my F10 computer. First, yumex (with the
atrpms repository enabled) cannot find video4linux. So I downloaded
video4linux-20081218-87.99.fc10.i386.rpm for I386 and tried to use rpm
to install it but of course this does not work either because of a
dependency on video4linux-kmdl-1:20081218-87.99.fc10 which is not to be
found anywhere (not matter what I search on). I thought the whole point
of using yum was to automatically resolve dependencies?

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Re: Unrecognized Hard Drive

2009-01-03 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Tim wrote:
 On Fri, 2009-01-02 at 13:24 -0600, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
 I can remember dropping a SCSI drive or two 4 to 6 onto the desk
 to free it up so it would spin up again. (Drop so it lands flat on
 its bottom, not sides or ends.) This was often necessary on drives
 that had run non-stop for years, and were shut down long enough to
 cool off.
 
 /me wonders whether warming them up, first, would have helped?
 
It might have - stick it in an oven or something. On the other hand,
it might have cause other problems. What I think was happening is
that the bearing lubrication had gotten into places it should not
have, and then prevented the drive from starting to spin up. The
jolt freed thing up enough to get the drive spinning. It also freed
the head to move as well.

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Re: Help... Can't boot!

2009-01-03 Thread Stuart Sears

On 03/01/09 14:47, John Aldrich wrote:

Quoting Stuart Sears stu...@sjsears.com:


okay, what I would do here is use the grub console to find /boot...

in case you don't know how:

hit 'c' to bring up the console

type root (hd TAB
grub should fill in the disks it can see (hopefully hd0/1/2)

for each of those, try
root (hdX,TAB

which should give you the partition layouts and types

then for each of the (hdX,0) partitions, try

kernel (hdX,0)/ TAB

one of them should have your vmlinuz-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 file on
it. use that one in your root (hdX,0) statement.

hit ESC to get back to the menu and edit the 'root' statement
accordingly. See if it works after that.

I think, from your previous post, that you may be pointing grub at what
you think is sdc, which may only have
sdc1 - Extended
sdc5 - first logical partition

on it.


I had a similar issue with the installer seeing my disks in a different
order to what I expected.



Well, when I boot off the install DVD in rescue mode, it shows up
correctly. I'm reinstalling yet again, this time, I told the installer
to swap the disk order from what is in bios. We'll see how that goes...
Hopefully I didn't just end up wiping my /home (and all my MP3 files! G)


did you actually try what was suggested?

I'm fairly certain this is fixable without repeated reinstalls.


Stuart

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Re: F10 and Pulseaudio

2009-01-03 Thread Richard Shaw
On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 2:21 AM, Niels Weber nathelb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Replying to myself as I found something out...

 2008/12/11 Niels Weber nathelb...@gmail.com:
 So it seems that Pulseaudio is working after all... now I need only to
 find out how to get surround sound.

 After looking into the PulseAudio FAQ, that was quite easy:

 http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ#IhaveasurroundsoundcardbutPulseAudiousesjustthefrontspeakers

 To enable all the channels, edit /etc/pulse/daemon.conf: uncomment
 the default-sample-channels line (i.e. remove the semicolon from the
 beginning of the line) and set the value to 6 if you have a 5.1 setup,
 or 8 if you have 7.1 setup etc. After doing the edit, restart
 pulseaudio.

 That was all. Really easy compared to what I had to do back then to
 get surround working with alsa alone on one of the older Fedoras
 (which took me weeks).

 Now, surround works even in Prey - which it didn't with my previous
 setup (without PA under F8).

 Niels

One thing I did was to copy default.pa and daemon.conf to ~/.pulse
before editing so the change wouldn't be system wide. Also, I wasn't
sure if those files might get overwritten during an update or
installed as .rpmnew or whatever.

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Re: F10 and Pulseaudio

2009-01-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram

Richard Shaw wrote:


One thing I did was to copy default.pa and daemon.conf to ~/.pulse
before editing so the change wouldn't be system wide. Also, I wasn't
sure if those files might get overwritten during an update or
installed as .rpmnew or whatever.


It should never get overwritten. .rpmnew files would be created if there 
is a configuration format change. Anything else is a packaging bug.


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Re: HiJacking Threads Was: hostapd for Fedora 10

2009-01-03 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote:
 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote:

 Yes  I probably should have removed a few more headers as well to
 totally break it out.   But, now this reply will be out of thread with
 your response.

 Bottom line  People start new messages rather than trying to reply
 to an old one and then change the subject and all  So, now that it
 is completely mucked over  :-)


 It's worth pointing out that RFC-standard threading is controlled by
 the In-Reply-To header, not by the Subject, i.e. conforming mail
 clients pay *no attention* to the Subject header when displaying
 threads. People who hijack threads and plead that they fixed the
 Subject line should be told about this so they don't do it again.


 Hummm  Can't say that I recall an RFC that fully/adequately covers
 threading.  Can you cite the RFC?

RFC 822:

 4.6.2.  IN-REPLY-TO

 The contents of this field identify  previous  correspon-
dence  which this message answers.  Note that if message iden-
tifiers are used in this  field,  they  must  use  the  msg-id
specification format.

Although the text doesn't explicitly use the term threading, it's
pretty clear what is meant.

 Yet, and pardon my repetition, even *if* there are RFCs that cover how
 email clients are supposed to handle threading people should *not* be
 taking an existing message and attempting to turn it into a new
 message.

I agree.

There will always be email clients that don't fully conform to
 the RFC's and there will always be email clients that will attempt to go
 beyond what they RFC's mandate.

*cough*Outlook*cough.

 Not to mention that most of the headers
 that email clients do use to help in threading aren't normally accessible.

Not sure what you mean here. They're accessible to the MUA if not
directly to the user. In any case, I'm arguing for *not* messing with
them, so the point is moot.

 Besides, I could never figure out how hitting reply, changing the
 subject, and changing the body, to create the illusion of a new*
 message is easier than just actually writing a new message.

Yes, it's one of life's little mysteries. In many clients composing a
new message is even easier than replying. Just click on the address
field in an existing message and voilà.

poc

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Re: F10 and encrypted partitions - positive outcome

2009-01-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 03:41:22 -0800,
  Mike Cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The nice surprise was that on firstboot the system asked me to enter the
 luks passphrase for the root partition and seemed to have stored the
 passphrases for the other partitions within the root partition so only a
 single passphrase was requested. This is excellent and means that booting
 the fully encrypted system is now very user friendly.  

Do you use the same passphrase for all partitions? It has been a feature
since close to the release of F10 that it tried any entered passphrase
against each luks partition.

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Re: F10 and encrypted partitions - positive outcome

2009-01-03 Thread Mike Cloaked



Bruno Wolff III wrote:
 
 On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 03:41:22 -0800,
   Mike Cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The nice surprise was that on firstboot the system asked me to enter the
 luks passphrase for the root partition and seemed to have stored the
 passphrases for the other partitions within the root partition so only a
 single passphrase was requested. This is excellent and means that booting
 the fully encrypted system is now very user friendly.  
 
 Do you use the same passphrase for all partitions? It has been a feature
 since close to the release of F10 that it tried any entered passphrase
 against each luks partition.
 
 

Yes I chose the same passphrase for all three partitions.  This is the same
scheme I used for F9 but in F9 it asked me three separate times for the
passphrases despite them all being the same. I did not click on the first
one as a master passphrase though (as far as I remember!)

In F10 the screen halts soon after the post with a simple request for the
passphrase and then continues with the text simplified Plymouth blue and
white boot progress indicator - which although information-free does work
fast and well.

So I am happy with this.
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How to Burn a Music DVD on K3B

2009-01-03 Thread Jim

FC8/KDE

K3B only has a selection for burning a Audio CD Project 80 min.
I want to burn Audio to a DVD 4gig, no what I do it holds me to 80 min. 
which is a Cd.


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Re: Help... Can't boot!

2009-01-03 Thread John Aldrich

Quoting Stuart Sears stu...@sjsears.com:

Well, when I boot off the install DVD in rescue mode, it shows up
correctly. I'm reinstalling yet again, this time, I told the installer
to swap the disk order from what is in bios. We'll see how that goes...
Hopefully I didn't just end up wiping my /home (and all my MP3 files! G)


did you actually try what was suggested?

I'm fairly certain this is fixable without repeated reinstalls.


Well, SDC is no longer part of the equation. I removed the ribbon  
cable from the drive so it won't even be seen by the system.


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Re: F10 and encrypted partitions - positive outcome

2009-01-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 08:41:53 -0800,
  Mike Cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yes I chose the same passphrase for all three partitions.  This is the same
 scheme I used for F9 but in F9 it asked me three separate times for the
 passphrases despite them all being the same. I did not click on the first
 one as a master passphrase though (as far as I remember!)

That's odd though. I misspoke when I said shortly before F10, it was shortly
before the F9 release that it started using passphrases against each
luks partition. Maybe there was something different about how your
partitions were setup that F9 couldn't handle, but F10 can.

You can see that the passphrases aren't being saved (well at least that
saved ones aren't bing used) by entering an incorrect passphrase before
a correct one. You'll then get a warning message for each luks partition
that there is no key slot unlocked by that passphrase.

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Re: F10 and encrypted partitions - positive outcome

2009-01-03 Thread Mike Cloaked



Bruno Wolff III wrote:
 
 
 That's odd though. I misspoke when I said shortly before F10, it was
 shortly
 before the F9 release that it started using passphrases against each
 luks partition. Maybe there was something different about how your
 partitions were setup that F9 couldn't handle, but F10 can.
 
 You can see that the passphrases aren't being saved (well at least that
 saved ones aren't bing used) by entering an incorrect passphrase before
 a correct one. You'll then get a warning message for each luks partition
 that there is no key slot unlocked by that passphrase.
 
 

Interesting!  The F9 partitions were set up nominally using the same
technique during the F9 install as I just did for F10 (except that I had
previously randomised all the partitions just ahead of the original F9
install). The F10 install was a clean install over the F9 partitions but
nothing additional was done.

Either way I do like the current setup - I have not yet plugged in a test
encrypted usbkey that I was playing with under F9, nor a luks encrypted CD
that I prepared in F9.  For the usbkey the system just asked for the
passphrase after plugging in and then just mounted and was visible, so I
hope this will be the same in F10.

The encrypted CD was a pain in F9 and needed some commands entering to set
up the mapping - certainly it would not just ask for the passphrase and
mount - I am currently testing some other things on the encrypted laptop but
I will do these tests hopefully before the weekend is out.

Mike
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Re: X locks up after a random time

2009-01-03 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Anne Wilson wrote:

 This Mandriva laptop has a variation on that.  With Desktop Effects on I
 get random freezes, but I also get times when the mouse can move the
 cursor
 around, but neither mouse-clicks or keyboard usage is registered.  This
 has happened throughout, so I don't think that it's kernel-specific, but I
 do think that it is probably related to what you are both seeing.
 
I think this is the bug I reported on both bugzilla.redhat and bugs.kde. I have 
never tested with gnome or compiz, only with kde using opengl and xrender. It 
happens both times and I have Intel graphics on both computers. In my case, I 
get the too many open files in system message on one of the consoles when 
this happens. I am unable to open programs, unable to save files (hence lose my 
work), etc, but the mouse and keyboard don't fail, so I can kill X and log back 
in, but the problem seems to recur sooner than if I had rebooted.

My guess is that this is some kind of Intel driver problem, possibly not 
interacting well with either X or with Desktop Effects.

Nevertheless, I will not give up on Intel and do not intend to migrate 
(regress) back to a vendor that doesn't provide open drivers. I can live 
without desktop Effects for a while until this gets cleared up (admittedly, it 
has been a year already that I have monitored the problem, and progress is 
slow, but the problem has evolved slightly, as formerly not even the mouse and 
keyboard worked, but since about the fall, it is no longer necessary to pull 
the plug on the computer to reboot).

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Re: X locks up after a random time

2009-01-03 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
These are the bugs I reported:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=468110
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=179081


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Re: How to Burn a Music DVD on K3B

2009-01-03 Thread Jorge Fábregas
On Saturday 03 January 2009 12:43:22 pm Jim wrote:
 K3B only has a selection for burning a Audio CD Project 80 min.
 I want to burn Audio to a DVD 4gig, no what I do it holds me to 80 min.
 which is a Cd.

You can't do that, AFAIK. An Audio CD is a standard (search for Red Book 
standard) and it doesn't work with recordable DVD's.  

Now, if you want to burn a DVD with music content (e.g. MP3, AAC files etc) 
that's another story...and that's where you would select Create DATA DVD on 
K3B.

HTH,
Jorge

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can't log in after converting root filesystem

2009-01-03 Thread Alan Evans
Hello, Friendly Fedora Folks:

My problem seems possibly related to some recently reported issues,
but I'm unable to fit suggested solutions to my issue. Anyway, here
goes:

I have an Asus EeePC 900A. It predictably took me about 2.5 minutes to
figure out that I wanted nothing at all to do with the crummy Linux
distro that came with it. I wanted Fedora and thought I'd try out the
Omega spin that Rahul announced recently.

Now the 900A has only a 4GB flash chip for internal storage, so I
started thinking of ways to reduce writes to the filesystem. It seemed
to me that ext2 was a better fit than ext3 because there would be no
need to write the journal data. During the install from LiveCD, I
chose to format the entire 4GB as ext2 and mount it on /. No separate
/boot partition, no swap partition.

After install, I discovered that the root filesystem was ext3 despite
my explicit instruction to format it as ext2. I consider that a bug,
which I might pursue if I can get past my current predicament.

I figured that downgrading to ext2 would not be difficult. So I
changed ext3 to ext2 in fstab and added noatime to the options.
Everything seems good at this point. I reboot, and mount tells me that
the root filesystem is, indeed, ext2. After running through the
installed packages and removing several that I thought would never be
relevant to my limited hardware, I rebooted again and found everything
good.

Well, almost everything. It turns out that now I can yum update
everything except for the kernel. After kernel update, I can't log in
at all. I get to the gdm screen, enter username and password, and it
just returns immediately to a fresh gdm screen. If I boot to runlevel
3, I have a similar symptom in text -- entering username and password
just returns to the login prompt.

At this point, I'm stuck. I've tried everything I know (not much) and
I can't log in. I did take a snapshot of the system with dd just
before upgrading the kernel, so I can always bring that back. But then
I can never apply any kernel updates.

Help!

-Alan

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Re: can't log in after converting root filesystem

2009-01-03 Thread fred smith
On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 10:34:24AM -0800, Alan Evans wrote:
 Hello, Friendly Fedora Folks:

Alan:

I discovered (on my eeepc 901) that adding relatime to /etc/fstab causes
subsequent kernel installs to go bad in that they create  bad initrd file
and causing boot to fail with complaints about relatime being an unknown option.

did you try booting the previous kernel to see if it will work for you? If it
does,  you could then remove the noatime from /etc/fstab, recreate the 
initrd for the new kernel, the re-add the noatime and try booting the new
kernel. (see man initrd for guidance.)

Fred

 
 My problem seems possibly related to some recently reported issues,
 but I'm unable to fit suggested solutions to my issue. Anyway, here
 goes:
 
 I have an Asus EeePC 900A. It predictably took me about 2.5 minutes to
 figure out that I wanted nothing at all to do with the crummy Linux
 distro that came with it. I wanted Fedora and thought I'd try out the
 Omega spin that Rahul announced recently.
 
 Now the 900A has only a 4GB flash chip for internal storage, so I
 started thinking of ways to reduce writes to the filesystem. It seemed
 to me that ext2 was a better fit than ext3 because there would be no
 need to write the journal data. During the install from LiveCD, I
 chose to format the entire 4GB as ext2 and mount it on /. No separate
 /boot partition, no swap partition.
 
 After install, I discovered that the root filesystem was ext3 despite
 my explicit instruction to format it as ext2. I consider that a bug,
 which I might pursue if I can get past my current predicament.
 
 I figured that downgrading to ext2 would not be difficult. So I
 changed ext3 to ext2 in fstab and added noatime to the options.
 Everything seems good at this point. I reboot, and mount tells me that
 the root filesystem is, indeed, ext2. After running through the
 installed packages and removing several that I thought would never be
 relevant to my limited hardware, I rebooted again and found everything
 good.
 
 Well, almost everything. It turns out that now I can yum update
 everything except for the kernel. After kernel update, I can't log in
 at all. I get to the gdm screen, enter username and password, and it
 just returns immediately to a fresh gdm screen. If I boot to runlevel
 3, I have a similar symptom in text -- entering username and password
 just returns to the login prompt.
 
 At this point, I'm stuck. I've tried everything I know (not much) and
 I can't log in. I did take a snapshot of the system with dd just
 before upgrading the kernel, so I can always bring that back. But then
 I can never apply any kernel updates.
 
 Help!
 
 -Alan
 
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Re: F10 Strange Audio Errors

2009-01-03 Thread oleksandr korneta

on 12/26/2008 11:32 AM Sean Bruno wrote:

On Thu, 2008-12-25 at 18:52 -0800, Peter Langfelder wrote:

On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Sean Bruno sean.br...@dsl-only.net wrote:

I'm seeing strange audio issues(skipping and buffering) when playing
audio from Amarok(1.4), Audacity and from the video game Quake Wars.

I have an on-board sound card:
00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97
Audio Controller (rev a2)

And a USB Turntable:
Bus 002 Device 005: ID 08bb:2900 Texas Instruments Japan PCM2900 Audio
Codec

Periodically, while Amarok(1.4) is playing back I see:
Dec 25 16:48:45 localhost pulseaudio[15582]: module-alsa-sink.c: ALSA
woke us up to write new data to the device, but there was actually
nothing to write! Most likely t
his is an ALSA driver bug. Please report this issue to the PulseAudio
developers.

When Audacity is recording from the USB turntable I see:
ALSA sound/usb/usbaudio.c:351: frame 0 active: -70

And when Quake Wars is running, I see the following in the console
output:
snd_pcm_readi failed: Input/output error
snd_pcm_readi failed: Input/output error
snd_pcm_readi failed: Input/output error


Any ideas as to what is going on here?

Sean


I used to experience similar skipping and hesitating from Amarok
1.4... until I removed PulseAudio. Now amarok plays smoothly.

Peter


I assume that requires more than just stopping the pulse audio demon?



I did not want to test my luck so removed everything related to 
pulseaudio in addition, except


$ rpm -qa | grep pulse
pulseaudio-libs-glib2-0.9.13-6.fc10.i386
pulseaudio-core-libs-0.9.13-6.fc10.i386
pulseaudio-libs-0.9.13-6.fc10.i386
pulseaudio-libs-devel-0.9.13-6.fc10.i386
pulseaudio-utils-0.9.13-6.fc10.i386
pulseaudio-libs-zeroconf-0.9.13-6.fc10.i386


because those serve as dependencies for something else I have installed 
and want to keep.


it's a shame, since I had no luck with pulseaudio since F8 and really 
was hoping to keep it in F10 finally.


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Re: X locks up after a random time

2009-01-03 Thread Anne Wilson
On Saturday 03 January 2009 17:17:47 Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
 These are the bugs I reported:

 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=468110
 http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=179081

Neither of those sound like my problem - I just suddenly discover that my 
mouse and keyboard are not being read.  Sometimes gkrellm shows a total 
freeze, but I'm fairly sure that there have been other times when normal 
activity has been occurring behind the scenes.  Either way, despite waiting to 
see whether the problem goes away, the only way out is to power off.

This is an ATi X600 graphics card.  At first I had the OSS ati driver, then I 
added flgrx in case I was trying to do something that really needed 
acceleration.  Not being a gamer, I have little experience of using graphics 
acceleration.

Basically, the effects I was trying to use were Dim Inactive Windows and Cover 
Switch.  The system is rock-solid if I don't enable Desktop Effects.

Anne


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Re: Need advice on music management software

2009-01-03 Thread oleksandr korneta

on 12/26/2008 05:36 PM Simon Slater wrote:

On Thu, 2008-12-25 at 09:32 -0800, Konstantin Svist wrote:

I know for sure there's a graphics comparison program that does
this with images - I've used it once or twice :)


I'm following this thread because I will be setting up something
similar for our family's music.  But as to your reference to duplicate
images, what programme do you use?  One daughter has a new camera and is
photographing everything, but with her sorting and renaming has created
many duplicates.



I assume your duplicates are just multiple copies of the same file with 
different names and paths, and they didn't go through any type of 
conversion on the way. For those you can perhaps to use FSlint.


FSlint is a utility to find redundant disk usage like duplicate files
for example. It can be used to reclaim disk space and fix other problems
like file naming issues and bad symlinks etc.
It includes a GTK+ GUI as well as a command line interface.

there is an rpm for F10 in mrdocs repository

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/mrdocs/Fedora_10/

I substantially  cleaned up my media library with its help.

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SOLVED -- Re: Help... Can't boot! (but more issues)

2009-01-03 Thread John Aldrich
Well, I got it working finally... but i'm having some issues... the  
display is slightly off screen to the right, and I can't adjust it on  
the monitor because the left side is already at 0.


I used to be able to access the display settings, etc from the  
desktop, but that's not possible. Also, I discovered that the /home  
partition I wanted to save was on the disconnected drive, so when I  
was swapping my cable around on sda and sdb to get them to be in the  
order the system wanted, I also hooked /dev/sdc back up. Now, how do I  
get my old /home to be /home? All I have is a uuid in fstab. I  
suppose I could edit it and make it like the old style, but I'm not  
sure that would work.


Two questions then:
1) How do I access the display settings to change the refresh rate to  
adjust the horizontal positioning?


2) How do I tell Fedora 10 to move /home to a different location?

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Re: HiJacking Threads Was: hostapd for Fedora 10

2009-01-03 Thread Beartooth
On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:15:51 +1930, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
[...]
 It's worth pointing out that RFC-standard threading is controlled by the
 In-Reply-To header, not by the Subject, i.e. conforming mail clients pay
 *no attention* to the Subject header when displaying threads. People who
 hijack threads and plead that they fixed the Subject line should be
 told about this so they don't do it again.

Would you believe that's news to me? I've been at this twelve or 
fifteen years, with all the exposure that implies -- and don't even 
recall ever hearing of that header



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Re: can't log in after converting root filesystem

2009-01-03 Thread Alan Evans
On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 11:01 AM, fred smith
fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us wrote:
 On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 10:34:24AM -0800, Alan Evans wrote:
 I discovered (on my eeepc 901) that adding relatime to /etc/fstab causes
 subsequent kernel installs to go bad in that they create  bad initrd file
 and causing boot to fail with complaints about relatime being an unknown 
 option.

I read the bug about relatime, but didn't think it was applicable,
relatime being somewhat more recent than noatime. I guess I don't
really have a preference between. I don't run any automated backup
software.

 did you try booting the previous kernel to see if it will work for you? If it
 does,  you could then remove the noatime from /etc/fstab, recreate the
 initrd for the new kernel, the re-add the noatime and try booting the new
 kernel. (see man initrd for guidance.)

Anyway, I tried it. Removed noatime from fstab. (Booting old kernel
did work.) Ran mkinitrd with no optional parameters. Still no joy.

If I change the fstype back to ext3 and run mkinitrd then the system
boots with apparently no problem. Then I can change fstab back to ext2
and reboot and it works.

But it all seems wrong to me. I presume I need to jack this around
again before and after every kernel update. And since the initrd still
thinks the filesystem is ext3, I can't ever run tune2fs to actually
convert it to ext2 lest the initrd choke on it.

Yuck. I hope someone's working on this. Is there a bugzilla somewhere?
I looked, but didn't find anything specifically similar to my problem.
And what of the installer ignoring my preference for ext2? At this
point I figure that if it had honored my instruction, I would have had
an unusable system from the beginning...

Hoping there's a better answer!

-Alan

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Re: SOLVED -- Re: Help... Can't boot! (but more issues)

2009-01-03 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2009-01-03 at 14:51 -0500, John Aldrich wrote:
 Well, I got it working finally... but i'm having some issues... the  
 display is slightly off screen to the right, and I can't adjust it on  
 the monitor because the left side is already at 0.
 
 I used to be able to access the display settings, etc from the  
 desktop, but that's not possible. Also, I discovered that the /home  
 partition I wanted to save was on the disconnected drive, so when I  
 was swapping my cable around on sda and sdb to get them to be in the  
 order the system wanted, I also hooked /dev/sdc back up. Now, how do I  
 get my old /home to be /home? All I have is a uuid in fstab. I  
 suppose I could edit it and make it like the old style, but I'm not  
 sure that would work.
 
 Two questions then:
 1) How do I access the display settings to change the refresh rate to  
 adjust the horizontal positioning?
 
 2) How do I tell Fedora 10 to move /home to a different location?

using UUID to identify partitions makes so much sense that you only need
to adopt in your old '/home'

to find out the uuid of your old '/home', figure out which partition it
is (i.e. /dev/sda7)

blkid /dev/sda7 # reports the UUID

copy that and paste into /etc/fstab for your /home mount

Craig

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Re: Need advice on music management software

2009-01-03 Thread Todd Zullinger
oleksandr korneta wrote:
 FSlint is a utility to find redundant disk usage like duplicate
 files for example. It can be used to reclaim disk space and fix
 other problems like file naming issues and bad symlinks etc.  It
 includes a GTK+ GUI as well as a command line interface.

 there is an rpm for F10 in mrdocs repository

 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/mrdocs/Fedora_10/

Just curious, why use an external repository when fslint is packaged
in Fedora already (by the upstream maintainer even)?

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Re: HiJacking Threads -- apology new (OT??) question

2009-01-03 Thread Beartooth
On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:15:51 +1930, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
[...]
 It's worth pointing out that RFC-standard threading is controlled by the
 In-Reply-To header, not by the Subject, i.e. conforming mail clients pay
 *no attention* to the Subject header when displaying threads. People who
 hijack threads and plead that they fixed the Subject line should be
 told about this so they don't do it again.

Sorry; hit send inadvertently -- anybody know a source for 
upgrading old eyes and fingers?

I want to thank Patrick O'Callaghan for posting that very 
instructive fact.

I also want to ask a question I haven't seen yet in this thread. 
Suppose I happen on a new fact that sends *me* off on a tangent -- 
something I've long meant to ask about, but not really relevant to the 
thread. (Here, for instance,it might be Things the Uninitiated Need to 
Know and Never Get Told.)

To do it, I naturally ought to start a new thread -- but also 
give the passage about the *In* Reply-to header, with credit to P O'C 
and what would be a bibliographic footnote if we were doing this in old-
fashioned paper journals. 

People who've survived a turn among the shovels and funnels of 
grad school (probably still there -- but oh! the bliss not to know!) will 
instinctively want to cover themselves in such a way; and that instinct, 
I suggest, may account for quite a bit of thread hijacking. Such people 
will jump to a better alternative if they find one.

Is there a canonical one? Some special command that a newbie can 
handle, that accomplishes all that, and nevertheless begins a fresh 
thread?

Cp handles a lot of it, but how about carrying along the finding 
info? It's mostly not even displayed, or not prominently, at least to my 
ancient eyes 

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3ware 3dm2 and Fedora 10

2009-01-03 Thread Mike Zingale
Has anyone succeeded in installing one of the latest versions of the
3ware 3dm2 software on Fedora 10 (x86_64)?  I tried both 9.5.1.1 and
9.4.1.3, but in both cases, the setupLinux_x64.bin program aborted
claiming that it was unable to delete some temporary files.  Looking
through the script some, it seems that it may be related to Java, but
I couldn't find a way around this.

Ultimately, I wound up installing an older version, 9.3.0.4, which
seems to work fine on Fedora 10 (i.e., I can access 3dm2 through
firefox and monitor my RAID).  But I'd like to know what the issue
with the newer versions is.

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Re: can't log in after converting root filesystem

2009-01-03 Thread Gustavo Eli
I hope it works.

You use a livecd and in the terminal:

/dev/sda1 = / (your linux, as appropriate)

Example:

fsck /dev/sda1

mount /dev/sda1 /media/linux

chroot /media/linux

source /etc/profile

And change the password:

passwd

There is another way you can do in the event that the above does not work,
change the kernel version and so on ...

grub edit kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.9.42.ELsmp ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet 1

Press Enter, and the B, mode single-kernel boot. Once we can use the
passwd command to change the password for the root.

Passwd #
Enter new UNIX password:

Gustavo Eli Pelcastre H.

 Hello, Friendly Fedora Folks:

 My problem seems possibly related to some recently reported issues,
 but I'm unable to fit suggested solutions to my issue. Anyway, here
 goes:

 I have an Asus EeePC 900A. It predictably took me about 2.5 minutes to
 figure out that I wanted nothing at all to do with the crummy Linux
 distro that came with it. I wanted Fedora and thought I'd try out the
 Omega spin that Rahul announced recently.

 Now the 900A has only a 4GB flash chip for internal storage, so I
 started thinking of ways to reduce writes to the filesystem. It seemed
 to me that ext2 was a better fit than ext3 because there would be no
 need to write the journal data. During the install from LiveCD, I
 chose to format the entire 4GB as ext2 and mount it on /. No separate
 /boot partition, no swap partition.

 After install, I discovered that the root filesystem was ext3 despite
 my explicit instruction to format it as ext2. I consider that a bug,
 which I might pursue if I can get past my current predicament.

 I figured that downgrading to ext2 would not be difficult. So I
 changed ext3 to ext2 in fstab and added noatime to the options.
 Everything seems good at this point. I reboot, and mount tells me that
 the root filesystem is, indeed, ext2. After running through the
 installed packages and removing several that I thought would never be
 relevant to my limited hardware, I rebooted again and found everything
 good.

 Well, almost everything. It turns out that now I can yum update
 everything except for the kernel. After kernel update, I can't log in
 at all. I get to the gdm screen, enter username and password, and it
 just returns immediately to a fresh gdm screen. If I boot to runlevel
 3, I have a similar symptom in text -- entering username and password
 just returns to the login prompt.

 At this point, I'm stuck. I've tried everything I know (not much) and
 I can't log in. I did take a snapshot of the system with dd just
 before upgrading the kernel, so I can always bring that back. But then
 I can never apply any kernel updates.

 Help!

 -Alan

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Re: X locks up after a random time

2009-01-03 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Saturday 03 January 2009 02:36, Rex Dieter wrote:
 Marko Vojinovic wrote:
  Ok, this is a Fujitsu Siemens Esprimo U9200, with Intel graphics, F10
  64bit, updated last week. KDE desktop, compiz and all, but I believe it
  is not related.

 In the meantime, I've tried backing down to using kernel-2.6.27.7-134.fc10
 (from kernel-2.6.27.9-159.fc10) to see if that makes any difference.

I have been having this issue since FC10 came out, throughout several kernel 
updates, so I believe this is not kernel related.

However, F9 has been working on the same hardware and KDE/compiz without 
hiccups, but this was 32bit install. Since F10 I went 64bit, and I wonder if 
that might be related...

Best, :-)
Marko


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Re: X locks up after a random time

2009-01-03 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Saturday 03 January 2009 02:07, Paulo Cavalcanti wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Marko Vojinovic vvma...@panet.co.yuwrote:
  Ok, this is a Fujitsu Siemens Esprimo U9200, with Intel graphics, F10
  64bit,
  updated last week. KDE desktop, compiz and all, but I believe it is not
  related.
 
  The symptom: system boots up regularly, I do regular work, and after a
  random
  amount of time, X freezes. If compiz is on, all I can do is move the
  mouse pointer. If compiz is off, even the mouse pointer is frozen. The OS
  itself is
  not, I can ssh from a remote machine and read logs. This is not
  reproducible,
  it happens too randomly and I can only sit and wait for it to happen.
  However, it is extremely annoying, since it has a tendency to freeze when
  I'm
  in the middle of some work in progress.

 You can try using

 Option  AccelMethod XAA

 in your xorg.conf to see if there is any difference (I have never tried).

What was the command to generate xorg.conf? I saw it here in some post some 
time ago, but can't find it now...

Also, in which Section of xorg.conf shoud I put the above option?

Thanks for helping! :-)
Marko



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Re: X locks up after a random time

2009-01-03 Thread Antonio Olivares



--- On Sat, 1/3/09, Marko Vojinovic vvma...@panet.co.yu wrote:

  You can try using
 
  Option  AccelMethod XAA
 
  in your xorg.conf to see if there is any difference (I
 have never tried).
 
 What was the command to generate xorg.conf? I saw it here
 in some post some 
 time ago, but can't find it now...
boot into level 3, login as root
# Xorg -configure
creates a file /root/xorg.conf.new
test it with directions given something like X -???
then if it works, posts mouse pointer in about middle of screen, copy it over 
to /etc/X11 directory 
# cp xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf 
 
 Also, in which Section of xorg.conf shoud I put the above
 option?
This I am not sure, but maybe in the section previous to Monitor section ?  
 
 Thanks for helping! :-)
 Marko
 
 
 
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Re: HiJacking Threads Was: hostapd for Fedora 10

2009-01-03 Thread g
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Beartooth wrote:

   Would you believe that's news to me? I've been at this twelve or 
 fifteen years, with all the exposure that implies -- and don't even 
 recall ever hearing of that header

if you view the headers of emails, you will find that not all use
'In-Reply-To:'

as an example, your email client is;
}  From: Beartooth bearto...@swva.net
}  Message-ID: pan.2009.01.03.20.38...@swva.net
}  References: 495df108.8030...@greshko.com
}   96da45630901021645q40648743ja126d77f8b506...@mail.gmail.com
}  X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: wireless-216-222-139-029.citizip.com
}  User-Agent: Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies)

where as;
}  From: Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com
}  Message-ID: 96da45630901030811y49a36cafide9335e197df3...@mail.gmail.com
}  In-Reply-To: 495ebef5.7010...@greshko.com
}  References: 495df108.8030...@greshko.com
}   96da45630901021645q40648743ja126d77f8b506...@mail.gmail.com
}   495ebef5.7010...@greshko.com

and;
}  From: Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com
}  Message-ID: 495ebef5.7010...@greshko.com
}  User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US;
}   rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080421 Lightning/0.8 Thunderbird/2.0.0.14
}   Mnenhy/0.7.5.666
}  References: 495df108.8030...@greshko.com
}   96da45630901021645q40648743ja126d77f8b506...@mail.gmail.com
}  In-Reply-To: 96da45630901021645q40648743ja126d77f8b506...@mail.gmail.com


peace out.

tc,hago.

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Re: HiJacking Threads Was: hostapd for Fedora 10

2009-01-03 Thread Ed Greshko
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote:
   

 Hummm  Can't say that I recall an RFC that fully/adequately covers
 threading.  Can you cite the RFC?
 

 RFC 822:

  4.6.2.  IN-REPLY-TO

  The contents of this field identify  previous  correspon-
 dence  which this message answers.  Note that if message iden-
 tifiers are used in this  field,  they  must  use  the  msg-id
 specification format.

 Although the text doesn't explicitly use the term threading, it's
 pretty clear what is meant.
   
Hummm.  It leaves quite a bit open to interpretation and it would
only link one message with one reply.   I was looking for something more
all encompassing.   But never mind

 Not to mention that most of the headers
 that email clients do use to help in threading aren't normally accessible.
 

 Not sure what you mean here. They're accessible to the MUA if not
 directly to the user. In any case, I'm arguing for *not* messing with
 them, so the point is moot.
   
RightNot sure myself what my purpose was. 

I suppose it was to point out that the average user doesn't have access
to the headers they would have to change in order to *not* break
threading by doing what they are doing. 

Then again, if the average user knows that what they are doing is going
to break threading they wouldn't do it ... and if they did they wouldn't
know what headers to fix ... and if they did it would be hard to the
point of not doing it in the first place.

Bottom line  You're right and that(those) paragraph(s) shouldn't
have been written.   :-)
 Besides, I could never figure out how hitting reply, changing the
 subject, and changing the body, to create the illusion of a new*
 message is easier than just actually writing a new message.
 

 Yes, it's one of life's little mysteries. In many clients composing a
 new message is even easier than replying. Just click on the address
 field in an existing message and voilà.

 poc

   


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Re: HiJacking Threads Was: hostapd for Fedora 10

2009-01-03 Thread g
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Todd Zullinger wrote:

 I don't see the benefit of reiterating all of the guidelines in each
 message.  Perhaps we need a page on the wiki that explains why

a page on wiki would be great. for something *more* to reference to.

but as long as a hijacker gets a reply to his post, what does he care.

hijacking is just as bad as 'text/html' and 'base64', top posting and
leaving unneeded history.

if a poster gets a reply, then why should they be concerned with following
'guide lines'?

you can suggest and write all the instructions you want, but if they are
not enforced/followed, it is all in vain.

just like continually telling a child that if he/she does not stop doing
what they are not supposed to, they will get spanked. after hearing it
8 or 10 times, the child will come to believe that it is just idle words
and they mean nothing.



peace out.

tc,hago.

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Re: Need advice on music management software

2009-01-03 Thread oleksandr korneta

on 01/03/2009 03:05 PM Todd Zullinger wrote:

oleksandr korneta wrote:

FSlint is a utility to find redundant disk usage like duplicate
files for example. It can be used to reclaim disk space and fix
other problems like file naming issues and bad symlinks etc.  It
includes a GTK+ GUI as well as a command line interface.

there is an rpm for F10 in mrdocs repository

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/mrdocs/Fedora_10/


Just curious, why use an external repository when fslint is packaged
in Fedora already (by the upstream maintainer even)?


maybe you see it there, but I don't. F10 here.

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gdmsetup not present in Fc9 or Fc10

2009-01-03 Thread Gregory P. Ennis
To All:

Does any one know how to limit the names of users that appear on the
login screen of FC9 and FC10?  With Fc8 through Fc5 I belive gdmsetup
gave you the option of listing all users or the ability to limit the
display to specific users on the login screen.

Thanks,

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Re: smart in f10

2009-01-03 Thread oleksandr korneta

on 12/28/2008 03:19 AM Raman Gupta wrote:

oleksandr korneta wrote:

seems like that fix didn't make it into this update or something,
because my smart is still crashing on  Loading cache...

with the error

Traceback (most recent call last):
 ( 97%)
  File /usr/bin/smart, line 195, in module
main(sys.argv[1:])


Apparently there was a problem with the recent smart build for f10,
and the patch was not correctly applied:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=473213

In the meantime, you can manually patch your rpm/base.py file with the
patch found here:

http://launchpadlibrarian.net/19956842/smart-emptyprov.diff

That will work around the issue until the patched version shows up in
the repos.


thanks. It was already there by the time I read your reply.


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Re: Need advice on music management software

2009-01-03 Thread Todd Zullinger
oleksandr korneta wrote:
 maybe you see it there, but I don't. F10 here.

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/fslint
http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/10/Everything/i386/os/Packages/fslint-2.28-1.fc10.noarch.rpm

Perhaps the addon repo you installed has masked the official Fedora
build from you?

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Re: gdmsetup not present in Fc9 or Fc10

2009-01-03 Thread Antonio Olivares



--- On Sat, 1/3/09, Gregory P. Ennis po...@pomec.net wrote:

 From: Gregory P. Ennis po...@pomec.net
 Subject: gdmsetup not present in Fc9 or Fc10
 To: Fedora Core Users fedora-list@redhat.com
 Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 2:22 PM
 To All:
 
 Does any one know how to limit the names of users that
 appear on the
 login screen of FC9 and FC10?  With Fc8 through Fc5 I
 belive gdmsetup
 gave you the option of listing all users or the ability to
 limit the
 display to specific users on the login screen.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Greg Ennis
 
 ---
Please take a look here:

http://live.gnome.org/GDM/2.22/Configuration

hopefully you will find what you need there.

Regards,

Antonio 


  

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Re: gdmsetup not present in Fc9 or Fc10

2009-01-03 Thread Gregory P. Ennis
On Sat, 2009-01-03 at 14:32 -0800, Antonio Olivares wrote:
 
 
 --- On Sat, 1/3/09, Gregory P. Ennis po...@pomec.net wrote:
 
  From: Gregory P. Ennis po...@pomec.net
  Subject: gdmsetup not present in Fc9 or Fc10
  To: Fedora Core Users fedora-list@redhat.com
  Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 2:22 PM
  To All:
  
  Does any one know how to limit the names of users that
  appear on the
  login screen of FC9 and FC10?  With Fc8 through Fc5 I
  belive gdmsetup
  gave you the option of listing all users or the ability to
  limit the
  display to specific users on the login screen.
  
  Thanks,
  
  Greg Ennis
  
  ---
 Please take a look here:
 
 http://live.gnome.org/GDM/2.22/Configuration
 
 hopefully you will find what you need there.
 
 Regards,
 
 Antonio 
 
 
Antonio,

Thanks for the link  Looks like gdmsetup is gone and what we could
do with the login screen using Fc5 through Fc8 is gone too.   Too bad it
was a good option!!!

Greg
 

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Activate second volume group at boot

2009-01-03 Thread Eric Brunson
I have an external drive that I've created a second volume group on.  
I've done a bit of poring over the init scripts in my /etc and in the 
initrd image, but there doesn't seem to be any facility to activate 
anything but VolGroup00 during the boot sequence.


There's something in the netfs script, but from what I can unconvolute 
(comments in code are a Good Thing[tm]), it's not what I'm looking for.  
I can write my own init script, but I was wondering if there's already a 
facility to do it that I've missed, I prefer to use the Fedora Way if it 
exists.


Thanks,
e.

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Re: X locks up after a random time

2009-01-03 Thread Paulo Cavalcanti
On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Antonio Olivares olivares14...@yahoo.comwrote:




 --- On Sat, 1/3/09, Marko Vojinovic vvma...@panet.co.yu wrote:

   You can try using
  
   Option  AccelMethod XAA
  
   in your xorg.conf to see if there is any difference (I
  have never tried).
 
  What was the command to generate xorg.conf? I saw it here
  in some post some
  time ago, but can't find it now...
 boot into level 3, login as root
 # Xorg -configure
 creates a file /root/xorg.conf.new
 test it with directions given something like X -???
 then if it works, posts mouse pointer in about middle of screen, copy it
 over to /etc/X11 directory
 # cp xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
 
  Also, in which Section of xorg.conf shoud I put the above
  option?
 This I am not sure, but maybe in the section previous to Monitor section ?
 


Section Device
Identifier  Videocard0
Driverintel
   Option   AccelMethod XAA
EndSection


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Re: X locks up after a random time

2009-01-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Anne Wilson wrote:
 This is an ATi X600 graphics card.  At first I had the OSS ati driver,
 then I added flgrx in case I was trying to do something that really needed
 acceleration.  Not being a gamer, I have little experience of using
 graphics acceleration.

Then what you're seeing is most likely a bug in the fglrx driver. I'd
suggest reinstalling your GNU/Linux to be sure to get rid of all traces of
it.

The X600 actually has working acceleration in the Free Software drivers.

Kevin Kofler

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Re: gdmsetup not present in Fc9 or Fc10

2009-01-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Gregory P. Ennis wrote:
 Thanks for the link  Looks like gdmsetup is gone and what we could
 do with the login screen using Fc5 through Fc8 is gone too.   Too bad it
 was a good option!!!

Well, you could use KDM if you want something more configurable. :-)

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mdadm: cannot open device /dev/sda1: Device or resource busy \ mdadm: /dev/sda1 has no superblock - assembly aborted

2009-01-03 Thread James Groleau
Hey Folks,

I've got a problem that I cannot seem to make go away.

I've got a machine running FC8 
]# uname -a
Linux hostname 2.6.26.6-49.fc8 #1 SMP Fri Oct 17 15:33:32 EDT 2008 x86_64 
x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
with an external eSATA Hard Drive RAID 5 array. 

I installed a replacement drive for the main system and performed a fresh 
install of FC10 with the RAID 5 array disconnected. Then after ensuring all 
updates were completed (as of Jan 03/09) I reattached the array. 

As root I issued the mdadm command and received the following error:
]# mdadm --assemble /dev/md1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 /dev/sde1 /dev/sdf1 /dev/sda1
mdadm: cannot open device /dev/sda1: Device or resource busy
mdadm: /dev/sda1 has no superblock - assembly aborted

I cannot seem to determine why I cannot access the sda1 drive. I have replaced 
the FC8 system drive and all is well. I can start and mount the RAID array 
normally. 

There is no mdadm.conf file. I have always mounted the array manually. 

I've beat Google into a frenzy over the last couple days trying find a 
solution to no avail.

Any clues/hints/suggestion? 
Thanks much.

Additional information:
==
]# mdadm --assemble --run /dev/md1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 /dev/sde1 /dev/sdf1
This will work to bring up the array under FC10 in a degraded state. 

I did remove sda1 from the array, then delete and recreate the partition on 
sda, and attempt to add it back into the array, but continue to receive the 
same error messages from mdadm. 

I had to rebuild the array under FC8.


]# lsof | grep -i sda
nothing listed
==
]#  mdadm --examine /dev/sda1 
/dev/sda1:
  Magic : a92b4efc
Version : 0.90.00
   UUID : c03bad6f:28dae689:a100065d:2118bad4
  Creation Time : Sat Nov  8 17:08:48 2008
 Raid Level : raid5
  Used Dev Size : 488383936 (465.76 GiB 500.11 GB)
 Array Size : 1953535744 (1863.04 GiB 2000.42 GB)
   Raid Devices : 5
  Total Devices : 5
Preferred Minor : 1

Update Time : Sat Jan  3 16:11:42 2009
  State : clean
 Active Devices : 5
Working Devices : 5
 Failed Devices : 0
  Spare Devices : 0
   Checksum : 3fb6543 - correct
 Events : 445816

 Layout : left-symmetric
 Chunk Size : 64K

  Number   Major   Minor   RaidDevice State
this 4   814  active sync   /dev/sda1

   0 0   8   330  active sync   /dev/sdc1
   1 1   8   491  active sync   /dev/sdd1
   2 2   8   652  active sync   /dev/sde1
   3 3   8   813  active sync   /dev/sdf1
   4 4   814  active sync   /dev/sda1
==

]#  mdadm --examine /dev/sdb1 
mdadm: No md superblock detected on /dev/sdb1.
]#  mdadm --examine /dev/sdc1 
/dev/sdc1:
  Magic : a92b4efc
Version : 0.90.00
   UUID : c03bad6f:28dae689:a100065d:2118bad4
  Creation Time : Sat Nov  8 17:08:48 2008
 Raid Level : raid5
  Used Dev Size : 488383936 (465.76 GiB 500.11 GB)
 Array Size : 1953535744 (1863.04 GiB 2000.42 GB)
   Raid Devices : 5
  Total Devices : 5
Preferred Minor : 1

Update Time : Sat Jan  3 16:11:42 2009
  State : clean
 Active Devices : 5
Working Devices : 5
 Failed Devices : 0
  Spare Devices : 0
   Checksum : 3fb655b - correct
 Events : 445816

 Layout : left-symmetric
 Chunk Size : 64K

  Number   Major   Minor   RaidDevice State
this 0   8   330  active sync   /dev/sdc1

   0 0   8   330  active sync   /dev/sdc1
   1 1   8   491  active sync   /dev/sdd1
   2 2   8   652  active sync   /dev/sde1
   3 3   8   813  active sync   /dev/sdf1
   4 4   814  active sync   /dev/sda1
=
]#  mdadm --examine /dev/sdc1 
/dev/sdc1:
  Magic : a92b4efc
Version : 0.90.00
   UUID : c03bad6f:28dae689:a100065d:2118bad4
  Creation Time : Sat Nov  8 17:08:48 2008
 Raid Level : raid5
  Used Dev Size : 488383936 (465.76 GiB 500.11 GB)
 Array Size : 1953535744 (1863.04 GiB 2000.42 GB)
   Raid Devices : 5
  Total Devices : 5
Preferred Minor : 1

Update Time : Sat Jan  3 16:11:42 2009
  State : clean
 Active Devices : 5
Working Devices : 5
 Failed Devices : 0
  Spare Devices : 0
   Checksum : 3fb655b - correct
 Events : 445816

 Layout : left-symmetric
 Chunk Size : 64K

  Number   Major   Minor   RaidDevice State
this 0   8   330  active sync   /dev/sdc1

   0 0   8   330  active sync   /dev/sdc1
   1 1   8   491  active sync   /dev/sdd1
 

Boinc

2009-01-03 Thread John Aldrich
Anyone here running Boinc on Fedora 10 x86_64? I followed the instructions on 
their (Boinc/s...@home) website and ran yum install boinc... and it 
installed two packages. Now when I try to run boincmgr, I get the following 
error in the console:
connect: Connection refused
execvp(/oldhome/john/boinc, --redirectio, --launched_by_manager) failed with 
error 13!
connect: Operation now in progress

Any ideas? What the heck is error 13

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Re: Boinc

2009-01-03 Thread G.Wolfe Woodbury
John Aldrich wrote:
 Anyone here running Boinc on Fedora 10 x86_64? I followed the instructions on 
 their (Boinc/s...@home) website and ran yum install boinc... and it 
 installed two packages. Now when I try to run boincmgr, I get the following 
 error in the console:
 connect: Connection refused
 execvp(/oldhome/john/boinc, --redirectio, --launched_by_manager) failed with 
 error 13!
 connect: Operation now in progress
 
 Any ideas? What the heck is error 13
 
that is EACCES (Access Denied)

caused by either failing to start the boinc-client daemon
 [service boinc-client start]
or by Selinux doing something.

THiings  like this are why I run in permissive mode.

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Re: OT: Looking for tool to merge rmvb files

2009-01-03 Thread David Timms

Paul Smith wrote:

On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 12:01 PM, David Timms dti...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Is there some tool to merge rmvb files for F10?

For the unknowing, what does file whatever.rmbv tell you ?


Thanks, Dave, for your answer. I think one can get an answer to your
question at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMVB
Thanks, and what does linux's file command respond to one of those files 
? (since I don't have such a file).


DaveT.

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Re: Default route not set on boot up

2009-01-03 Thread Andrew Robinson

Craig White wrote:

On Thu, 2009-01-01 at 22:01 -0500, Andrew Robinson wrote:

Charles Crayne wrote:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:49:32 -0500
Andrew Robinson awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote:


After installing F10, when I power up my laptop, the default route
does not get set.

I had this problem as a symptom of the broken network configuration
tool.


I have a GATEWAY=192.168.1.1 statement in both
the ifcfg-wlan0 file and the /etc/sysconfig/network file.

Check the NETMASK statement in those files.

The NETMASK in the ifcfg-wlan0 file is good. I noticed and fixed that 
problem during the installation. There is no NETMASK statement in the 
/etc/sysconfig/network file. Any other ideas?


netmask should not be in /etc/sysconfig/network

you can however put GATEWAY=192.168.1.1 there

Just out of curiousity, are you sure that the gateway address isn't
registered on startup?

route -n # doesn't show the default gateway address at startup?
if so, does running the commands...

ifdown wlan0
ifup wlan0

make the gateway address appear in 'route -n' after running those
commands?



Interesting. The default route does appear after an ifdown - ifup. I've 
been using 'netstat -nr' to determine its existence. So that begs the 
question of why it is not set at boot time. Any thoughts?


Thanks!

Andrew

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Re: 3ware 3dm2 and Fedora 10

2009-01-03 Thread Clive Messer


On Sat, 2009-01-03 at 15:51 -0500, Mike Zingale wrote:
 Has anyone succeeded in installing one of the latest versions of the
 3ware 3dm2 software on Fedora 10 (x86_64)?  I tried both 9.5.1.1 and
 9.4.1.3, but in both cases, the setupLinux_x64.bin program aborted
 claiming that it was unable to delete some temporary files.  Looking
 through the script some, it seems that it may be related to Java, but
 I couldn't find a way around this.
 
 Ultimately, I wound up installing an older version, 9.3.0.4, which
 seems to work fine on Fedora 10 (i.e., I can access 3dm2 through
 firefox and monitor my RAID).  But I'd like to know what the issue
 with the newer versions is.
 

Mike,

The 3ware setup/install does not play nice with the Fedora openjdk. When
I installed 3ware 9.5.1.1 some time ago, I downloaded Sun Java tgz, set
JAVA_HOME env var and added $JAVA_HOME/bin to front of path, before
running the setup program. That worked.

Regards

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firefox hangs at mediayou.net

2009-01-03 Thread fred smith
Hi gang!

When I first set up my F10 system, after a little tinkering with plugins,
etc., I was able to listen to the various radio stations from mediayou.net.

The last couple weeks it isn't working anymore: I go to that site, select
a station, the popup opens saying it's loading data then it just hangs.
I left it for 5-10 minutes and it's still hung. Clicking the window close
button it tells me it's not responding, do I wanna kill it?

Not sure how to troubleshoot this,... anyone else ever use that site
to find a radio station? Anyone suggest how to proceed?

Thanks!
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Re: Boinc

2009-01-03 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2009-01-03 at 19:32 -0500, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote:
 THiings  like this are why I run in permissive mode.

If you do that all the time, you may as well disable SELinux, it's not
protecting you from anything in permissive mode.

Enforcing - SELinux does what it's supposed to, it's enabled.
Permissive - SELinux pretends to work, so you can log things, and then
use the logs to work out how to change your rules so that failing things
will work when SELinux is re-enabled.
Disabled - SELinux does nothing.

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Re: HiJacking Threads -- apology new (OT??) question

2009-01-03 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2009-01-03 at 20:38 +, Beartooth wrote:
 I also want to ask a question I haven't seen yet in this thread. 
 Suppose I happen on a new fact that sends *me* off on a tangent -- 
 something I've long meant to ask about, but not really relevant to the 
 thread. (Here, for instance,it might be Things the Uninitiated Need to 
 Know and Never Get Told.)
 
 To do it, I naturally ought to start a new thread -- but also 
 give the passage about the *In* Reply-to header, with credit to P O'C 
 and what would be a bibliographic footnote if we were doing this in old-
 fashioned paper journals. 

Common sense would dictate that it's either a reply, or it's not.  

If it's in reply to the prior message, than write it as a reply.  If
it's not in reply, even if it's something that's been inspired by
another message, then it's a *new* message.

If you need to refer to something from another message, then there's
several ways of doing so:

* Simply quote the part of the message concerned.

* Write something like, See Fred's message on Tuesday re threading
into your message.  That allows people to find it.

* Find the URI for the message on the Fedora archive, and include that
in your message.

* Write the message ID for it into your message.  Though, it's a long
time since I've come across a client that could find a message for you
from a quoted message ID (it'd find it in your local cache of messages,
after left- or right-clicking on the ID).  I think it was a usenet
client on the Amiga, or perhaps Forte Inc's Agent, that could do that.


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Re: Unrecognized Hard Drive

2009-01-03 Thread Tim
Tim:
 /me wonders whether warming them up, first, would have helped?

Mikkel L. Ellertson:
 It might have - stick it in an oven or something. On the other hand,
 it might have cause other problems. What I think was happening is
 that the bearing lubrication had gotten into places it should not
 have, and then prevented the drive from starting to spin up. The
 jolt freed thing up enough to get the drive spinning. It also freed
 the head to move as well.

I was thinking of metal contraction as it cools down seizing the moving
parts into position (remembering my days back in school of being told
not to leave the vices tightened up overnight).

Of course warming them up would have to be to a sensible temperature.
Warming them up to normal operating temperatures, not roasting
them.  ;-)

I get odd looks when I tap the back of a screwdriver with another one,
with the first one's point in the slot, to loosen up stuck bolts.  But
the principle's the same, you're trying to free up a moving part that's
jammed, but with the minimal amount of force that's required.

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Re: How to Burn a Music DVD on K3B

2009-01-03 Thread Matthew Flaschen
Jorge Fábregas wrote:
 On Saturday 03 January 2009 12:43:22 pm Jim wrote:
 K3B only has a selection for burning a Audio CD Project 80 min.
 I want to burn Audio to a DVD 4gig, no what I do it holds me to 80 min.
 which is a Cd.
 
 You can't do that, AFAIK. An Audio CD is a standard (search for Red Book 
 standard) and it doesn't work with recordable DVD's.  
 
 Now, if you want to burn a DVD with music content (e.g. MP3, AAC files etc) 
 that's another story...and that's where you would select Create DATA DVD on 
 K3B.

And of course you can burn a DVD full of CD-style audio (44.1kHz, 2
channels, 16-bit sample WAV files), but there's not any real point.  Ogg
Vorbis or FLAC are better choices.

Matt Flaschen

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Yum problem on F10

2009-01-03 Thread William W. Austin
Apologies in advance if this gets through twice - I posted this about 
24 hours ago, have not yet seen it on the list, and just got a bounce 
message, so I assume that the first try won't get through.
--

I have three machines on which I installed f10 about 2 weeks ago.  
Two of them are identical as to hardware and the other is a bit larger 
and faster. All are x86_64 machines previously running fedora 7, 8, or 
9.

On two of the machines I wiped the drive on which I installed /,
/tmp, /usr, and /var, and on the third (the 'larger' machine) I added a 
new 1TB drive to hold those (plus other things).

The install - using the same install DVD - went smoothly on all 3 of 
them.

However, on two of the machines (one of the twins and the larger box) 
yum works just fine.  On the third - which according to rpm -qa has 
exactly the same packages installed - yum fails every time with a 
message public key for rpm name is not installed.

Obviously I have hosed up something here on that third machine, but I 
haven't found it yet and it's driving me batty.  I have gone through
documentation until I'm going blind without picking up a clue.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  Feel free to write me 
privately if you prefer and I'll summarize for the list later.

Thanks
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Re: Upgrade Caused Downgrade

2009-01-03 Thread Ed Greshko
ETPoole60 wrote:
 All,

 I've just experienced one of the most unnerving situations.  I've a
 custom built machine that was running the following:
   ECS GeForce 6100SM-M mother board
   AMD 64 X2 5600+
   4GB RAM DDR2 800
   nVidia GT7300 PCIE 256MB video card
   2 - SATA Hard drives; 1 - 320 GB WD and 1 - 500GB Seagate
   550 watt Antec power supply
   Fedora 9 x86_64 with all of the latest patches

 For Xmas I upgraded the machine to:
   Gigabyte MA790X-DS4 mother board
   AMD Phenom Quad core 9550
   8GB RAM DDR2 800
   Retained the video card from above
   2 - SATA Hard drives; 1 - 500 GB Seagate and 1 - 1TB Seagate
   850 watt Antec power supply

 I attempted to install, from the same DVD used above, Fedora 9 x86_64
 with 4 failures at just about the same place while installing
 packages.  I used my i386 Fedora 9 DVD and all went well during the
 install so attempted to do a upgrade to x86_64 without luck.  I did a
 test using my Fedora 8 x86_64 DVD and it installed perfectly.  I then
 attempted to do a upgrade to Fedora 9 without any luck (it appeared to
 fail at about the same place).  I then downloaded and burned another
 copy of the Fedora 9 x86_64 DVD, checked it and attempted to do
 another install and one again it failed at about the same place.

 What could possibly be happening?  I since reinstall Fedora 8, but
 that has reached it's E-O-L. Should I just attempt to go to Fedora 10
 x86_64?

 Any help or advice would be great!


You knowif you tell people where about the same place is and the
errors you are getting someone may be able to help you.  What could
possibly be happening?   I don't know about anyone elsebut I can't
guess based on what you've said.

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Re: Upgrade Caused Downgrade

2009-01-03 Thread Matthew Flaschen
Ed Greshko wrote:

 You knowif you tell people where about the same place is and the
 errors you are getting someone may be able to help you.

I agree.  You've provided lots of information about your hardware, which
is helpful.  But you need to also note the text of the errors, and
relevant context.

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Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book....

2009-01-03 Thread Doug Berry

--- On Fri, 1/2/09, Max Spevack mspev...@redhat.com wrote:

 I don't see any reason why not.  We just want to make
 sure we know who is holding the money, and how much there
 ends up being.  I think it's a pretty simple 
 straightforward problem to solve.

If I may jump in on this for a moment. The only way we
would ever sell or handle any books ourselves, would be
if we chose to buy them from Lightning Source and sell
them.

Otherwise all sales would be handled by Lightning Source
and they would provide us with strict accounting for each
sale. They are a division of Ingram Book Services, which
handles half the books in the world and is a multi-billion
dollar enterprise.

Once the book(s) are in the Ingram database, we can just
direct any buyers to Amazon, Wal-mart, any book store with
a computer, and a zillion other on-line vendors. 

Lightning Source would then send us a royalty check, I
think it's every three months. We can just have them send 
it to Max and he can disburse any funds.

Also, I have a bunch of documents that Lightning Source
sent me. They are pretty thorough in breaking down the 
costs and establishing what we can expect from them. I
tried to send them to some people over the mailing lists
email, but the file size was to big and it crashed. I also
sent them to Ian, so if anyone wants a copy, they would
need to provide him or I with a outside email address.





  

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Re: Picture Book....

2009-01-03 Thread Ian Weller
On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 08:53:19AM +0100, Max Spevack wrote:
 I (along with the CommArch budget) am happy to help with accounting to  
 whatever extent I am needed.

Woo! Get your name on the people list.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Picture_book

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Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book....

2009-01-03 Thread Ian Weller
On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 07:45:45AM -0800, Doug Berry wrote:
  I don't see any reason why not.  We just want to make
  sure we know who is holding the money, and how much there
  ends up being.  I think it's a pretty simple 
  straightforward problem to solve.
 
 If I may jump in on this for a moment. The only way we
 would ever sell or handle any books ourselves, would be
 if we chose to buy them from Lightning Source and sell
 them.
 
 Otherwise all sales would be handled by Lightning Source
 and they would provide us with strict accounting for each
 sale. They are a division of Ingram Book Services, which
 handles half the books in the world and is a multi-billion
 dollar enterprise.
 
 Once the book(s) are in the Ingram database, we can just
 direct any buyers to Amazon, Wal-mart, any book store with
 a computer, and a zillion other on-line vendors. 
 
Do we want to set up a website somewhere and point shoppers to
Amazon.com or whatnot? (Gah, I'm thinking way too far ahead again)

 Lightning Source would then send us a royalty check, I
 think it's every three months. We can just have them send 
 it to Max and he can disburse any funds.
 
You OK with this, Max? We could just plan for this, and it would make me
feel a lot better if we got this problem out of the way first ^_^


 Also, I have a bunch of documents that Lightning Source
 sent me. They are pretty thorough in breaking down the 
 costs and establishing what we can expect from them. I
 tried to send them to some people over the mailing lists
 email, but the file size was to big and it crashed. I also
 sent them to Ian, so if anyone wants a copy, they would
 need to provide him or I with a outside email address.
 
I've placed them here: http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/lsi-docs/

braindump type=mine!

So here's what I'm thinking initially: we publish four books (Volumes
1-4), each entitled something like The Fedora Book: Friends, or
whatever, for each of the four foundations (freedom, friends, features,
first).

Each book would contain about 80 pages. (LSI requires page counts in
multiples of 4; for reference, The Love Book has 96 pages.) If we go
less than 80 pages, we can't put text on the spine (which would
definitely help in identifying the book on a shelf with four or so
different copies of The Fedora Book).

80 pages: (odd pages on right side, even on left)
  1. Title page
  2. Copyright (CC-BY-SA, right?)/cataloging data
  3-4. Introduction by current FPL (if Paul doesn't take up two pages,
   make page 3 blank)
  5. Introduction of the foundation whose story is being told in this
 book, with wonderful Four Foundations livery provided by Mo
  6-77. Photos and stories of contributors
  78-79. Index of contributors across all books published so far
  80. Left blank because LSI told us to (they stick an internal barcode
  on here)

I envision the pages being in full color. LSI will print a full color
book, sized 8.5 x 8.5 (whoa, another parallel to The Love Book!) with
80 pages, for $8.20 per unit (book). Setup for the title comes out to
$75 (half for the cover, half for the pages), and to make the book
available to Amazon and the like, we are charged $12/yr for each ISBN.

Add to this cost the necessity of getting a proof for each individual
book. For an 80-page book, this would be $22.20. And, we need ISBNs.
Doug mentioned this would be $275 for a block of 10 ISBNs.

The initial cost, then, is $711.80 for the four books. Setting the
wholesale markup to $15 keeps the price reasonable for both buyers and
us -- we can recoup the cost for all four books with 105 sales.[1] Add
to this an additional $48/yr after the first year -- and remember, this
isn't including any additional books that we may want to produce after
these four. Also, keep in mind that we still have six more ISBNs to do
whatever with. The initial cost for the next six books would be $87 plus
$12 per year after the first year.

[1]: This is overall sales of all the four books, not each one.

(For those who may be wondering where any of this information is, it's
not in the POD manual (USOPSMANUAL080108.pdf), it's in US COLOR PRICE
SHEET 091508.pdf.)

I would like to mention that the proposal Doug emailed to me pertains to
only one book, while this pertains to an initial four.

/braindump

Questions I have for you guys:
1. Does this sound reasonable? Does it seem viable that we can sell 105
   copies in a year? For those who will be in the book, or other Fedora
   contributors, or other Fedora fans, the $60 for the first set of four
   price seems a bit large. I'm not really sure.
2. On a totally unrelated note, where are we going to stick all of the
   photos for this project? We need somewhere where we can also enter
   their story, and where others can upload their photos into a
   moderation queue. Flickr is what I see in my mind as being the least
   trouble, but it's not open source, and most of the photograhpers
   would need a pro account ($30something/yr) to 

Fedora Project Marketing Team

2009-01-03 Thread Clint Zeimet
To whom it may concern,

My name is Clinton Zeimet, and I am from Mason City, Iowa, in the United
States of America.  I work for Target Corporation in Guest Services, and
also work as part time staff at The Music Man Square (a local tourist
attraction).  I also serve as a volunteer coordinator for the Iowa
Independent Film Festival.

My goal in the Fedora Project is to participate on a more active level in
the marketing of this wonderful operating system and its vibrant community.
 I would like to engage in formal public discourse as an official ambassador
to deliver an enthusiastic and project-aligned messaging to the public.  I
believe that as general computer users experience the marvelous advantages
of the Fedora Operating system and its accompanying community, they will
likely become as joyful as I to experience an alternative to the status quo
disappointments of its closed source relatives.  I would like to see usage
of the Fedora OS and participation in the Fedora Project to extend further
into the greater public consciousness of my locale region, and also
internationally.  I would also like to see Fedora and the Fedora Project
become ever more attuned to the practicable needs and wants of the general
computer user like me.

As a former children's camp counselor and current guest services specialist
and event coordinator, I believe I have the proven ability to deliver the
Fedora marketing package in an effective manner.  In addition, my experience
as a local contributor to the U.S. presidential campaign of Howard Dean in
2004 acclimated me to the practical organizational challenges of marketing
and its accompanying intangible rewards.  I also have experience in team
sports, theatrical productions, speech contests, writers workshops, and
student government and peer counseling positions that have prepared to be an
effective group participant and team player.  Other than these skills, it
should be known that I have no formal marketing education at the college
level.

I also have the native attributes of intellectual curiosity and above
average ability in verbal and quantitative performance, which I would like
to employ to learn more technical Linux skills as time goes on.

Thank you for considering me to join the Fedora Project in a more active
manner that will match my enthusiasm and abilities.

Sincerely,

Clinton Zeimet
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[Fedora-music-list] Music Makers! test request for audacity (1.3.5 beta) with pulseaudio I/O support

2009-01-03 Thread David Timms

Hi,

Audacity now supports I/O via pulseaudio, but needs wider testing. If 
you can:

yum --enablerepo=updates-testing install audacity alsa-plugins-pulseaudio

or if it isn't there yet, grab it from koji:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=76957

any comments, success or trouble can be added to:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/audacity-1.3.5-0.9.beta.fc10

Cheers,

David Timms.

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Re: [Fedora-music-list] Music Makers! test request for audacity (1.3.5 beta) with pulseaudio I/O support

2009-01-03 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:31:35 +1100, David wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Audacity now supports I/O via pulseaudio, but needs wider testing. If 
 you can:
 yum --enablerepo=updates-testing install audacity alsa-plugins-pulseaudio
 
 or if it isn't there yet, grab it from koji:
 http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=76957
 
 any comments, success or trouble can be added to:
 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/audacity-1.3.5-0.9.beta.fc10

Latency. Noisy clicks during playback. Flickering input/output levels,
and a playback time indicator that doesn't move smoothly.

I still think Audacity upstream should have been asked prior to
applying this patch.

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rpms/perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon/F-10 .cvsignore, 1.14, 1.15 perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon.spec, 1.21, 1.22 sources, 1.14, 1.15

2009-01-03 Thread Ralf Corsépius
Author: corsepiu

Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon/F-10
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv9541

Modified Files:
.cvsignore perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon.spec sources 
Log Message:
* Fri Jan 02 2009 Ralf Corsépius corse...@fedoraproject.org - 0.77-1
- Upstream update.



Index: .cvsignore
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon/F-10/.cvsignore,v
retrieving revision 1.14
retrieving revision 1.15
diff -u -r1.14 -r1.15
--- .cvsignore  20 Dec 2008 06:39:51 -  1.14
+++ .cvsignore  3 Jan 2009 05:47:13 -   1.15
@@ -1 +1 @@
-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon-0.76.tar.gz
+Locale-Maketext-Lexicon-0.77.tar.gz


Index: perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon.spec
===
RCS file: 
/cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon/F-10/perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon.spec,v
retrieving revision 1.21
retrieving revision 1.22
diff -u -r1.21 -r1.22
--- perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon.spec   20 Dec 2008 06:39:51 -  1.21
+++ perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon.spec   3 Jan 2009 05:47:13 -   1.22
@@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
 Name:  perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon
-Version:   0.76
+Version:   0.77
 Release:   1%{?dist}
 Summary:   Extract translatable strings from source
 License:   MIT
@@ -82,6 +82,9 @@
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Fri Jan 02 2009 Ralf Corsépius corse...@fedoraproject.org - 0.77-1
+- Upstream update.
+
 * Sat Dec 20 2008 Ralf Corsépius corse...@fedoraproject.org - 0.76-1
 - Upstream update.
 


Index: sources
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon/F-10/sources,v
retrieving revision 1.14
retrieving revision 1.15
diff -u -r1.14 -r1.15
--- sources 20 Dec 2008 06:39:51 -  1.14
+++ sources 3 Jan 2009 05:47:14 -   1.15
@@ -1 +1 @@
-e76a50a9935ab607bc06f13028bb364f  Locale-Maketext-Lexicon-0.76.tar.gz
+622dada722fb6db0e49e453c843af83c  Locale-Maketext-Lexicon-0.77.tar.gz

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rpms/perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon/F-9 .cvsignore, 1.14, 1.15 perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon.spec, 1.21, 1.22 sources, 1.14, 1.15

2009-01-03 Thread Ralf Corsépius
Author: corsepiu

Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon/F-9
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv10903

Modified Files:
.cvsignore perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon.spec sources 
Log Message:
* Fri Jan 02 2009 Ralf Corsépius corse...@fedoraproject.org - 0.77-1
- Upstream update.



Index: .cvsignore
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon/F-9/.cvsignore,v
retrieving revision 1.14
retrieving revision 1.15
diff -u -r1.14 -r1.15
--- .cvsignore  20 Dec 2008 06:39:51 -  1.14
+++ .cvsignore  3 Jan 2009 05:52:12 -   1.15
@@ -1 +1 @@
-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon-0.76.tar.gz
+Locale-Maketext-Lexicon-0.77.tar.gz


Index: perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon.spec
===
RCS file: 
/cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon/F-9/perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon.spec,v
retrieving revision 1.21
retrieving revision 1.22
diff -u -r1.21 -r1.22
--- perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon.spec   20 Dec 2008 06:39:51 -  1.21
+++ perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon.spec   3 Jan 2009 05:52:12 -   1.22
@@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
 Name:  perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon
-Version:   0.76
+Version:   0.77
 Release:   1%{?dist}
 Summary:   Extract translatable strings from source
 License:   MIT
@@ -82,6 +82,9 @@
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Fri Jan 02 2009 Ralf Corsépius corse...@fedoraproject.org - 0.77-1
+- Upstream update.
+
 * Sat Dec 20 2008 Ralf Corsépius corse...@fedoraproject.org - 0.76-1
 - Upstream update.
 


Index: sources
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon/F-9/sources,v
retrieving revision 1.14
retrieving revision 1.15
diff -u -r1.14 -r1.15
--- sources 20 Dec 2008 06:39:51 -  1.14
+++ sources 3 Jan 2009 05:52:12 -   1.15
@@ -1 +1 @@
-e76a50a9935ab607bc06f13028bb364f  Locale-Maketext-Lexicon-0.76.tar.gz
+622dada722fb6db0e49e453c843af83c  Locale-Maketext-Lexicon-0.77.tar.gz

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[Bug 478707] New: perl-Config-General-2.42 is available

2009-01-03 Thread bugzilla
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Summary: perl-Config-General-2.42 is available

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=478707

   Summary: perl-Config-General-2.42 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
   URL: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/FEver
OS/Version: Linux
Status: NEW
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-Config-General
AssignedTo: ville.sky...@iki.fi
ReportedBy: fevap...@o2.pl
 QAContact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
CC: fedora-perl-devel-list@redhat.com, ville.sky...@iki.fi
Classification: Fedora


perl-Config-General-2.42 is already available. Repo version is 2.40.
Please update the package.

If you have any questions or suggestions related to Fever,
feel free to write them in this bug or have a look at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/FEver

Don't send any messages to fevapp at o2.pl please.

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