Blue Tooth and Nokia 7610

[Gregory Hosler]

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Hi All,

I'm trying to download pictures from my Nokia 7610 to my laptop (Dell Latitude
D620) which has blue tooth.

Using the bluetooth applet 1.8, I can send a file to my phone. But I am unable
to browse my phone.

To clarify: using bluetooth applet 1.8 I can establish a connection to my Nokia
7610, but when I bring up the browser, the browser shows no files, no 
directories.

Has anyone with a Nokia 7610 been able to browse their phone, and receive/pull
files from the phone (or from the phone, push them to Fedora) ?

Any info or assistance, much appreciated.

All the best,

- -Greg

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Re: xorg.conf resolution issues

[Tim]

On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 10:36 -0800, Leslie Satenstein wrote:
> I have added other resolutions to the list that system-config-display
> provided. I don't know how it creates the list, but there were some
> that were left out.

I think you want to look for a "modeline generator."  It'll take the
hard work out of working out what to put in the xorg.conf file.

> I would like to know how to define the sweep frequencies that are
> associated with a resolution.  Is this information coming from the
> monitor?

Yes, if the monitor identifies itself correctly.  Some don't (they don't
identify, they provide garbage info, etc.).

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Re: mount question

[Tim]

On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 12:27 -0800, Aldo Foot wrote:
> My understanding is that in /media the OS expects to find removable
> media such as usb drives. The /mnt mount point is for nfs and local
> filesystems. Those mount points are sort of "designated" places for
> specific filesystems.

More like, /media is used by one of the automounting systems.  It
doesn't look in /media, and finding something in it mounts it.  It puts
things in it, when the hardware is noticed.

/mnt was traditionally for mounting something onto it.  i.e. One thing
mounted on /mnt, rather than things mounted on subdirectories in it.
However, since the automounters don't look in it, it's safe to use for
personal customisation in (almost) whatever way you want to.  I disclaim
that, slightly, since some people will do daft things.

You can also create other mount points directly off the root.  And since
the automounter won't be playing with them, you won't have problems with
it.

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Re: Disabling cd/dvd automount

[Tim]

On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 11:56 -0800, Konstantin Svist wrote:
> Gnome usually pops up a message box asking what it should do when a
> DVD is inserted.
> At one point, I selected "Do nothing" and saved that choice.
> How do I get the popup back?

Educated guess:  file management personal preferences.  Look in your
menu.

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Re: shrinking NTFS partitions on Windows laptop

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 19:38 +, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Thursday 15 January 2009 18:08:55 Paul W. Frields wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:55:05AM -0700, Craig White wrote:
> > > Netbook has arrived (yeah!)
> > >
> > > If I boot F10 Live CD, does it have necessary parted/gparted to shrink
> > > the NTFS partition to make room for F10 or do I have to use like a
> > > gparted-live CD for that?
> >
> > No need for a separate parted/gparted with Fedora.  The installer has
> > a built-in resizing spinner for NTFS file systems, built on the same
> > modern NTFS utilities, so you can just resize it down and continue
> > partitioning.  The resizing and partition writing gets done after
> > you've set things up the way you like.
> 
> I'm not saying anything against gparted or any other such tool, but my 
> natural 
> caution says use a windows tool to do the windows bit and a linux tool to do 
> the linux stuff.  That method has never let me down :-)

just some feedback here...

Used live-cd installer (I presume this is anaconda) to resize the NTFS
system on my new Acer Aspire One and it went fine and Windows is running
fine too. It did however insist on running chkdsk on the first boot
after resizing.

It was a fairly drastic cut down in size too. It went from like 147 Gb
(there obviously is a VFAT restore partition on this system) down to 32
Gb.

Craig

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Re: shrinking NTFS partitions on Windows laptop

[Bob Barrett]

Antonio Olivares wrote:

--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Paul W. Frields  wrote:

  

From: Paul W. Frields 
Subject: Re: shrinking NTFS partitions on Windows laptop
To: fedora-list@redhat.com
Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 1:48 PM
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:55:37PM -0800, Aldo Foot wrote:


On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Paul W. Frields
  

 wrote:


Does Windows include a tool that lets you shrink


the system partition


on an installed box?  I know you can't do it


while running off that


system, but what about something on their


installation disc?


Windows has no such tool. You can only delete, create
  

or format


partitions during
install. Then later when the OS is running you have to
  

delete partitions if you


want to change their size.
GParted live CD has worked well for me when resizing
  

NTFS filesystems.

Wow.  I'm scratching my head over that one.  So in any
case, it's nice
that the Fedora installer doesn't require you to use a
further live CD
to do this, but freedom's a good thing regardless.

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It depends on the version of Windows.  Windows Vista does have the ability to resize partitions on the fly.  Still I see no one has mentioned/suggeste3d that the drive be defragmented so that it can be resized without problems. 


Regards,

Antonio
  

On Apr 19, 2007, I bought a new HP dv9225. It had Vista Ultimate on a
160GB hard drive. I wanted to shrink the partition. I had not used
Vista before and while poking around I ran across Control Panel ->
System and Maintenance -> Administrative Tools -> Computer Management.
I chose Storage, then Disk Management. It volunteered to reduce the
partition to 24GB. I accepted.

This took place while running Vista. No third party software required.
I then installed Fedora and have not had any problems.

Bob Barrett

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Lagging keyboard issue.

[Jason Ish]

Hello..

I am running into a problem where my keyboard starts to lag, or get
confused.  I originally thought it was due to extra load put on my
system by using luks/dm-crypt.  But it still happens when my system is
doing nothing except for running an emacs instance and I'm typing.  So
far I've seen it happen in rxvt-unicode and emacs.  I have to shutdown
the app and restart.

So when it happens, some keystrokes don't get registered at all, or
not until a few key strokes later.  And not all keys output what you
expect.  Other windows work fine.  Its very odd.  Its a Lenovo X61
laptop, and I don't recall this ever happening in Fedora 9.  I'm
currently running Fedora 10 x86_64.

Any ideas?

Thanks.

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Re: KVM Switch Suggestions -- Are The Ebay Cheapies Okay?

[The_Eye_In_The_Sky]

Robert L Cochran wrote:

Are the no-name-brand, two-port, USB 2.0 PS2 KVM switch boxes with two
cables which sell for $14.99 and free shipping on EBay any good? Here is
an example: item 140294824343 from seller insidecomputer. Recent
discussions (from 2007) suggest IOGear and Trendnet switches as good
brands. If I can get a cheap switch that works, though, I'm willing to


That cheapo does not have the VGA connectivity fully cabled pin to pin, 
thus VESA info from the monitor is not transmitted back to the VGA 
controller.


You will go back to oldies time when you need to define X server 
manually, and that is really pain in the *ss.


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Re: KVM Switch Suggestions -- Are The Ebay Cheapies Okay?

[Robert L Cochran]

jack wallen wrote:
> Robert L Cochran wrote:
>> Are the no-name-brand, two-port, USB 2.0 PS2 KVM switch boxes with two
>> cables which sell for $14.99 and free shipping on EBay any good? Here is
>> an example: item 140294824343 from seller insidecomputer. Recent
>> discussions (from 2007) suggest IOGear and Trendnet switches as good
>> brands. If I can get a cheap switch that works, though, I'm willing to
>> do it.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Bob Cochran
>> Greenbelt, Maryland, USA
>>
>>   
> avoid them. i bought one on ebay - a cheap USB one. it did two things:
> prevented Fedora from being able to read the modes from the monitor so
> I couldn't get proper resolution and, even worse, killed every usb
> port on my system. i now have to get a PCI usb card in order to use
> any USB device.
>
> so, yeah, i wouldn't bother.
That's a rather convincing damage report. I was really tempted to get
the el cheapo units. I'm looking at IOGear KVMs now.

Bob

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Single buffer absent on nvidia card after upgrade

[David Scriven]

Dear All,

I recently upgraded some of my machines from Fedora 8 to Fedora 10.

The machines contain Nvidia cards of the GeForce 7, 8 & 9 series and
have at least 2GB of RAM each.

After the upgrade I noted two problems:

When running Matlab I get the message:

"Warning: single buffer is not available, double buffer will be slower"

and another program is crashing on a glXChooseVisual request for
a single buffer window.

glxgears is working fine and glxinfo indicates many 100's of visuals
are available and that I have direct rendering.

My xorg.conf file is as follows:

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "single head configuration"
Screen  0  "Screen0" 0 0  
InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" 
EndSection

Section "Files"
ModulePath   "/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/nvidia"
ModulePath   "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"  
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load  "glx"
Load  "dbe"
Load  "extmod"
EndSection


Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Keyboard0"
Driver  "kbd"  
Option  "XkbModel" "pc105"
Option  "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier   "Monitor0"
ModelName"Samsung SyncMaster 240T (Digital)"
HorizSync30.0 - 81.0
VertRefresh  50.0 - 85.0
Option  "dpms"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier  "Videocard0"
Driver  "nvidia"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Videocard0"
Monitor"Monitor0"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
   Viewport   0 0
Depth 24
EndSubSection
EndSection

This problem seems to also be present in a machine upgraded from Fedora 8 to 
Fedora 9

All machines are up-to-date with the latest nvidia drivers.

Any ideas?
DS


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Re: KVM Switch Suggestions -- Are The Ebay Cheapies Okay?

[jack wallen]

Robert L Cochran wrote:

Are the no-name-brand, two-port, USB 2.0 PS2 KVM switch boxes with two
cables which sell for $14.99 and free shipping on EBay any good? Here is
an example: item 140294824343 from seller insidecomputer. Recent
discussions (from 2007) suggest IOGear and Trendnet switches as good
brands. If I can get a cheap switch that works, though, I'm willing to
do it.

Thanks

Bob Cochran
Greenbelt, Maryland, USA

  

avoid them. i bought one on ebay - a cheap USB one. it did two things:
prevented Fedora from being able to read the modes from the monitor so I 
couldn't get proper resolution and, even worse, killed every usb port on 
my system. i now have to get a PCI usb card in order to use any USB device.


so, yeah, i wouldn't bother.

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Re: HOWTO: Use KDE 3 from F8 on F10

[Kevin Kofler]

Roberto Ragusa wrote:
> So it now runs F10 with KDE 3.5.10 from F8 updates.

These packages are NO LONGER UPDATED. And running F8 packages on F9 or F10
has always been asking for trouble, especially for software like KDE with a
lot of dependencies.

> As for F8->F9, some compatibility rpms had to be compiled
> with little modifications to the spec files.

Which means that your libraries are also NO LONGER UPDATED.

You're just asking for some security hole to go unfixed and your machine to
get broken into.

> I'm not writing all the details here now, but if anyone is
> interested, I can do it (and publish the spec files if
> someone wants to try).

Please don't. We don't want our users to run unsupported software, and we
especially don't want you to make it easy for them to do that.

> F10 is great, but KDE 4 is still not able to convince me to
> leave KDE 3 behind.

But you'll have to get used to KDE 4 sooner or later. Better sooner (how
about NOW? KDE 3 is no longer supported in Fedora). KDE 3 is not going to
get updated forever (in fact the F8 packages you're using are already no
longer updated) and at some point the old packages will just stop working.
(They already do, that's why you have to build old libs for them as well,
but that's going to stop working at some point as well.)

Kevin Kofler

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Re: Update revisor

[Kevin Kofler]

Terry Polzin wrote:
> I'm running F8

Fedora 8 is no longer supported. Please upgrade.

Kevin Kofler

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Re: shrinking NTFS partitions on Windows laptop

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Paul W. Frields  wrote:

> From: Paul W. Frields 
> Subject: Re: shrinking NTFS partitions on Windows laptop
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 1:48 PM
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:55:37PM -0800, Aldo Foot wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Paul W. Frields
>  wrote:
> > > Does Windows include a tool that lets you shrink
> the system partition
> > > on an installed box?  I know you can't do it
> while running off that
> > > system, but what about something on their
> installation disc?
> > 
> > Windows has no such tool. You can only delete, create
> or format
> > partitions during
> > install. Then later when the OS is running you have to
> delete partitions if you
> > want to change their size.
> > GParted live CD has worked well for me when resizing
> NTFS filesystems.
> 
> Wow.  I'm scratching my head over that one.  So in any
> case, it's nice
> that the Fedora installer doesn't require you to use a
> further live CD
> to do this, but freedom's a good thing regardless.
> 
> -- 

It depends on the version of Windows.  Windows Vista does have the ability to 
resize partitions on the fly.  Still I see no one has mentioned/suggeste3d that 
the drive be defragmented so that it can be resized without problems. 

Regards,

Antonio


  

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Re: No system-config-display, so what now?

[Kevin Kofler]

Aaron Konstam wrote:
> Isn't the command: Xorg -configure

/usr/bin/X is a symlink to Xorg.

Kevin Kofler

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Re: KVM Switch Suggestions -- Are The Ebay Cheapies Okay?

[Robert Moskowitz]

Ray Curtis wrote:

Tom Horsley wrote:

On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:56:12 -0500
Robert L Cochran wrote:


Recent
discussions (from 2007) suggest IOGear and Trendnet switches as good
brands.


If you are happy with PS/2 kybd/mouse, these cheapies work. Just don't 
plan on using a cheap kybd/mouse USB adapter to plug a notebook into 
them. You will fry something.




I had nothing but problem with any and all KVM switches I ever
tried to use for several years (I'm sure I remember Belkin
being one of the worst, I think there were one or two others
I tried from time to time).

However, I got an IOGear 4 port DVI/USB KVM switch a year or so ago
and it has surprised me by working absolutely flawlessly out of the
box with zero problems.



I've had real good luck with Avocent KVM's have never had a problem,
however Belkin is another matter, junk. 


I have one 16 porter and 2 8 port Belken KVMs with USB kybd/mouse 
options. Console kybd/mouse is only PS/2 though. These are the F1DA108T 
and F1DA116T. I am very happy with them with a few caviats. Switching is 
with the Scroll Lock key. My wireless keyboard I had controling my old 
ATEN KVMs did not have a Scroll lock. Want a perfectly good wireless 
kybd/mouse?


One thing to watch out in shoping for KVMs. That is cables. Make sure it 
takes standard cables, not specialized cables or you will be locked into 
very expensive cables



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Re: KVM Switch Suggestions -- Are The Ebay Cheapies Okay?

[Ray Curtis]

Tom Horsley wrote:

On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:56:12 -0500
Robert L Cochran wrote:


Recent
discussions (from 2007) suggest IOGear and Trendnet switches as good
brands.


I had nothing but problem with any and all KVM switches I ever
tried to use for several years (I'm sure I remember Belkin
being one of the worst, I think there were one or two others
I tried from time to time).

However, I got an IOGear 4 port DVI/USB KVM switch a year or so ago
and it has surprised me by working absolutely flawlessly out of the
box with zero problems.



I've had real good luck with Avocent KVM's have never had a problem,
however Belkin is another matter, junk.


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Fedora 10 dovecot: Unknown authentication mechanism 'gssapi'

[Joseph J Quinlan]

Recently upgraded a server from F9 to F10, and was surprised to find 
that dovecot would immediately die after starting.  /var/log/maillog 
indicated the following:


Jan 15 15:30:04 socrates dovecot: Dovecot v1.1.7 starting up
Jan 15 15:30:05 socrates dovecot: Fatal: auth(default): Unknown 
authentication mechanism 'gssapi'
Jan 15 15:30:05 socrates dovecot: Fatal: Auth process died too early - 
shutting down


dovecot version 1.1.7-1.fc10.

Once I removed gssapi from the list of authentication mechanisms, 
dovecot would start.


After reverting to the dovecot from Fedora 9 (1.0.15-16.fc9), dovecot 
starts up just fine with gssapi in the list of authentication mechanisms.


As far as I can determine, there is no reason gssapi should not be a 
valid authentication mechanism with the later dovecot version.  Bug ?


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Setting gnome-terminal default size

[Jonathan Ryshpan]

Is there any way to make gnome-terminal have a default size of (say) 
90 wide x 30 high, rather than the system default of 80x24?  I am
getting tired of setting the size every time I start the system.  

Thanks - jon

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Re: eth0 not working - fine in Windows

[Kevin J. Cummings]

Chris wrote:

Hi,

A couple of days ago whilst running F10, a friend was inserting a USB
stick and the physical connection on the front panel of my PC broke.
The machine immediately powered off. When I booted again, everything
seemed fine except that the network connection had stopped working.
When I try "service network start", it says it's unable to determine
IP information - check cable.

If I boot into Windows it works fine. I'm doubtful that it's a
hardware problem because (a) it works in Windows, and (b) the problem
USB connector is on the front panel and connected via a lead, i.e.
it's not directly attached to the motherboard.

Any ideas on where to start investigating?


Look at your system log files:  /var/log/messages
Look around the time of your system boot up, and look for USB messages 
and networking messages, particularly anything with "eth" in it.

Any/all could help you track down what's wrong

Can you see your ethernet card with "lspci"?

What does "ifconfig -a" tell you?

Has your /etc/modprobe.conf been modified recently?

Do you have the appropriate modules loaded?  "lsmod"


As a side question, when I look in system-config-network, I've got a
device called pan0. I don't recall it being there, but it may have
been there and I just didn't notice it. I'm not using NetworkManager
as I've found it can just cause problems. Maybe I could give it a go
anyway but I suspect the problem is deeper than that.


I don;t know what pan0 is (google for it), but if you hardware has 
changed names, that could very well be your problem.  The solution would 
be "how do I fix it?".



Thanks, Chris.


Good Luck!

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Re: HELP: "rpcbind: server localhost not responding"

[Aldo Foot]

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Gerhard Magnus  wrote:
> ...and of all else fails, disable SELinux (worked for me -- and wasn't
> necessary after the SELinux policy updates this morning, 1/15)
>

Only keep in mind that SELinux protects your system. Disable SELinux
only if added security is of no concern; otherwise, consider adding a
rule to the firewall to allow nfs traffic.

Also system-config-firewall has a checkbox to allow nfs or not.

~af

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Re: KVM Switch Suggestions -- Are The Ebay Cheapies Okay?

[Tom Horsley]

On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:56:12 -0500
Robert L Cochran wrote:

> Recent
> discussions (from 2007) suggest IOGear and Trendnet switches as good
> brands.

I had nothing but problem with any and all KVM switches I ever
tried to use for several years (I'm sure I remember Belkin
being one of the worst, I think there were one or two others
I tried from time to time).

However, I got an IOGear 4 port DVI/USB KVM switch a year or so ago
and it has surprised me by working absolutely flawlessly out of the
box with zero problems.

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Re: HOWTO: Use KDE 3 from F8 on F10

[Konstantin Svist]

Roberto Ragusa wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I just want to share with the list that with the same approach
> which let me upgrade from F8 to F9 avoiding the KDE 3 -> 4
> migration ("Successfully upgraded to F9 while keeping KDE 3"
> thread), I was able to upgrade the same machine to F10.
> So it now runs F10 with KDE 3.5.10 from F8 updates.
>
> As for F8->F9, some compatibility rpms had to be compiled
> with little modifications to the spec files.
>
> I'm not writing all the details here now, but if anyone is
> interested, I can do it (and publish the spec files if
> someone wants to try).
>
> F10 is great, but KDE 4 is still not able to convince me to
> leave KDE 3 behind.
>
> Best regards.
>
>   

Hope very much to see the actual HOWTO sometime soon!!



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Re: HELP: "rpcbind: server localhost not responding"

[Gerhard Magnus]

On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 16:12 -0800, Aldo Foot wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Reg Clemens  wrote:
> >> On Thursday 15 January 2009 12:35:14 Rick Stevens wrote:
> >> > Reg Clemens wrote:
> >> > > HELP - I have built a new kernel (to add some options) and I have
> >> > > obviously missed something important... but I cant find it.
> >> > >
> >> > > With THIS new kernel, during the boot, I get the message
> >> > >
> >> > >   rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out
> >> > >   RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errorno 5)
> >>
> >> if you use tcp wrappers, you may need to enable 127.0.0.1 with access to
> >> rpcbind in hosts.allow
> >>
> >
> > Nope, thats not it.
> 
> Here's my $0.02
> 
> Check that the rpcbind service is running on both the client and the server.
> 
> In order to allow nfsClient.com to mount from the nfs server put
> these lines in server's /etc/hosts.allow:
> 
> "rpcbind: nfsClient.com"
> "mountd: nfsClient.com"
> 
...and of all else fails, disable SELinux (worked for me -- and wasn't
necessary after the SELinux policy updates this morning, 1/15)

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Upgrade and SELinux messages

[Les]

I upgraded from F8 to F10.  It appeared to go smoothly, but then I 
received the following SELinux errors:

//
/** first 

Summary:

SELinux is preventing dbus-daemon-lau (system_dbusd_t) "execute" to
./console-kit-daemon (consolekit_exec_t).

Detailed Description:

SELinux denied access requested by dbus-daemon-lau. It is not expected
that this access is required by dbus-daemon-lau and this access may
signal an intrusion attempt. It is also possible that the specific
version or configuration of the application is causing it to require
additional access. 

Allowing Access:

Sometimes labeling problems can cause SELinux denials. You could try to
restore
the default system file context for ./console-kit-daemon,

restorecon -v './console-kit-daemon'


Additional Information:

Source Context
system_u:system_r:system_dbusd_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023
Target Contextsystem_u:object_r:consolekit_exec_t:s0
Target Objects./console-kit-daemon [ file ]
Sourcedbus-daemon-lau
Source Path   /lib/dbus-1/dbus-daemon-launch-helper
Port  
Host  localhost.localdomain
Source RPM Packages   dbus-1.2.4-1.fc10
Target RPM Packages   
Policy RPMselinux-policy-3.5.13-18.fc10
Selinux Enabled   True
Policy Type   targeted
MLS Enabled   True
Enforcing ModeEnforcing
Plugin Name   catchall_file
Host Name localhost.localdomain
Platform  Linux localhost.localdomain
2.6.27.5-117.fc10.i686
  #1 SMP Tue Nov 18 12:19:59 EST 2008 i686
i686
Alert Count   35
First SeenThu 15 Jan 2009 03:45:37 PM PST
Last Seen Thu 15 Jan 2009 03:47:19 PM PST
Local ID  a0430578-0415-40c9-ac4e-b9f86d3b479c
Line Numbers  

Raw Audit Messages

node=localhost.localdomain type=AVC msg=audit(1232063239.982:58): avc:
denied  { execute } for  pid=3010 comm="dbus-daemon-lau"
name="console-kit-daemon" dev=dm-0 ino=54362144
scontext=system_u:system_r:system_dbusd_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023
tcontext=system_u:object_r:consolekit_exec_t:s0 tclass=file

node=localhost.localdomain type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1232063239.982:58):
arch=4003 syscall=11 success=no exit=-13 a0=8f08e48 a1=8f08dc8
a2=8f08008 a3=2d09bc items=0 ppid=3009 pid=3010 auid=4294967295 uid=0
gid=0 euid=0 suid=0 fsuid=0 egid=0 sgid=0 fsgid=0 tty=(none)
ses=4294967295 comm="dbus-daemon-lau"
exe="/lib/dbus-1/dbus-daemon-launch-helper"
subj=system_u:system_r:system_dbusd_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 key=(null)

###
### The restorecon mentioned returned an error that the file doesn't 
### exist.

//
/** second

Summary:

SELinux is preventing plymouthd from creating a file with a context of
unlabeled_t on a filesystem.

Detailed Description:

SELinux is preventing plymouthd from creating a file with a context of
unlabeled_t on a filesystem. Usually this happens when you ask the cp
command to
maintain the context of a file when copying between file systems, "cp
-a" for
example. Not all file contexts should be maintained between the file
systems.
For example, a read-only file type like iso9660_t should not be placed
on a r/w
system. "cp -P" might be a better solution, as this will adopt the
default file
context for the destination.

Allowing Access:

Use a command like "cp -P" to preserve all permissions except SELinux
context.

Additional Information:

Source Contextsystem_u:object_r:unlabeled_t:s0
Target Contextsystem_u:object_r:fs_t:s0
Target Objectsforce-display-on-active-vt [ filesystem ]
Sourceplymouthd
Source Path   
Port  
Host  localhost.localdomain
Source RPM Packages   
Target RPM Packages   
Policy RPMselinux-policy-3.5.13-18.fc10
Selinux Enabled   True
Policy Type   targeted
MLS Enabled   True
Enforcing ModeEnforcing
Plugin Name   filesystem_associate
Host Name localhost.localdomain
Platform  Linux localhost.localdomain
2.6.27.5-117.fc10.i686
  #1 SMP Tue Nov 18 12:19:59 EST 2008 i686
i686
Alert Count   1
First SeenThu 15 Jan 2009 03:45:42 PM PST
Last Seen Thu 15 Jan 2009 03:45:42 PM PST
Local ID  261d767c-245b-4bde-9110-8436b63fab76
Line Numbers  

Raw Audit Messages

node=localhost.localdomain type=AVC msg=audit(1232063142.547:14): avc:
denied  { associate } for  pid

Re: HELP: "rpcbind: server localhost not responding"

[Aldo Foot]

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Reg Clemens  wrote:
>> On Thursday 15 January 2009 12:35:14 Rick Stevens wrote:
>> > Reg Clemens wrote:
>> > > HELP - I have built a new kernel (to add some options) and I have
>> > > obviously missed something important... but I cant find it.
>> > >
>> > > With THIS new kernel, during the boot, I get the message
>> > >
>> > >   rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out
>> > >   RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errorno 5)
>>
>> if you use tcp wrappers, you may need to enable 127.0.0.1 with access to
>> rpcbind in hosts.allow
>>
>
> Nope, thats not it.

Here's my $0.02

Check that the rpcbind service is running on both the client and the server.

In order to allow nfsClient.com to mount from the nfs server put
these lines in server's /etc/hosts.allow:

"rpcbind: nfsClient.com"
"mountd: nfsClient.com"

HTH,
~af

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Re: shrinking NTFS partitions on Windows laptop

[Steven F. LeBrun]

Paul W. Frields wrote:

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 07:38:10PM +, Anne Wilson wrote:
  

On Thursday 15 January 2009 18:08:55 Paul W. Frields wrote:


On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:55:05AM -0700, Craig White wrote:
  

Netbook has arrived (yeah!)

If I boot F10 Live CD, does it have necessary parted/gparted to shrink
the NTFS partition to make room for F10 or do I have to use like a
gparted-live CD for that?


No need for a separate parted/gparted with Fedora.  The installer has
a built-in resizing spinner for NTFS file systems, built on the same
modern NTFS utilities, so you can just resize it down and continue
partitioning.  The resizing and partition writing gets done after
you've set things up the way you like.
  
I'm not saying anything against gparted or any other such tool, but my natural 
caution says use a windows tool to do the windows bit and a linux tool to do 
the linux stuff.  That method has never let me down :-)



Does Windows include a tool that lets you shrink the system partition
on an installed box?  I know you can't do it while running off that
system, but what about something on their installation disc?

I certainly wouldn't want to see people think they needed to go buy a
$40 tool to do something that works perfectly fine with a free one.
I've tested Anaconda's method myself with plenty of systems I cared
about and suffered no ill effects, but obviously YMMV.

Paul
  
I was able to shrink the system NTFS partion using tools found in Vista 
and a third party tool which was either freeware or shareware.  I also 
started with Vista Ultimate.


There is a problem with shrinking the Vista system partition that 
requires many iterations of shrinking.  The disk manager applet in Vista 
(Ultimate) allows you to shrink a partition without losing the data on 
the disk, assuming you do not shrink the disk to a size smaller than the 
data on the partition.  The problem that I hit was that I was only able 
to shrink the partition a few percent at a time because Vista places a 
non-movable file in the partition near the end.  The trick was to shrink 
the partition, move that file, and repeat until you reach the desired size.


While Vista can shrink the system partition down to the size blocked by 
the non-movable system file, it took non-Microsoft defrag utility to 
relocate the "non-movable" file because Vista would not move it and give 
up its system partition size.  It was over half a year ago when I did 
this and I do not remember what third party tool I used.  It was either 
"Acronis Disk Director Suite 10.0" or "Power Deframenter-2.0.125".


After repeated application of shrinking, defragging (which caused the 
non-movable file to be relocated), and rebooting cycle, I was able to 
reduce the Vista system partition from 250 GB down to 40 GB.  I can dual 
boot between Fedora and Vista and only use Vista when I really need to.



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KVM Switch Suggestions -- Are The Ebay Cheapies Okay?

[Robert L Cochran]

Are the no-name-brand, two-port, USB 2.0 PS2 KVM switch boxes with two
cables which sell for $14.99 and free shipping on EBay any good? Here is
an example: item 140294824343 from seller insidecomputer. Recent
discussions (from 2007) suggest IOGear and Trendnet switches as good
brands. If I can get a cheap switch that works, though, I'm willing to
do it.

Thanks

Bob Cochran
Greenbelt, Maryland, USA

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Re: HOWTO: Use KDE 3 from F8 on F10

[David]

Roberto Ragusa wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I just want to share with the list that with the same approach
> which let me upgrade from F8 to F9 avoiding the KDE 3 -> 4
> migration ("Successfully upgraded to F9 while keeping KDE 3"
> thread), I was able to upgrade the same machine to F10.
> So it now runs F10 with KDE 3.5.10 from F8 updates.
> 
> As for F8->F9, some compatibility rpms had to be compiled
> with little modifications to the spec files.
> 
> I'm not writing all the details here now, but if anyone is
> interested, I can do it (and publish the spec files if
> someone wants to try).
> 
> F10 is great, but KDE 4 is still not able to convince me to
> leave KDE 3 behind.
> 
> Best regards.
> 


Good for you!

You need a web page, or a weblog, to explain exactly just what you did
to solve and resolve this situation for yourself.

Really. I mean this. That way those that want this information , what
you have, have a place to resource your research, your data. And those
that do not want to do this don't have to wade through these never
ending posts on this list about this subject.

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Re: Any way to install new Fedora on second drive of a running system?

[Chris Snook]

B Wooster wrote:

I wonder if this can be done - I'm have a system that is running Fedora Core 7.

I want to avoid shutting down and rebooting and spending the hours to
install Fedora 10 on this.

I do have a second drive in this system that is not being used.

So, wondering if I could run some special install program, that
formats, partitions the second drive, installs Fedora 10, allows me to
select and update and install packages.

Then after I'm done, I'll just boot using the second drive.

Is this possible?



The short answer is no.  The long answer is yes, but it's way more trouble than 
it's worth.  Last time I checked, installing F10 only took a few minutes.  Just 
wait until you've booted up into it before you install every single package in 
the distro.


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Any way to install new Fedora on second drive of a running system?

[B Wooster]

I wonder if this can be done - I'm have a system that is running Fedora Core 7.

I want to avoid shutting down and rebooting and spending the hours to
install Fedora 10 on this.

I do have a second drive in this system that is not being used.

So, wondering if I could run some special install program, that
formats, partitions the second drive, installs Fedora 10, allows me to
select and update and install packages.

Then after I'm done, I'll just boot using the second drive.

Is this possible?

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Evolution crashes with exchange after update to testing

[Matthew Saltzman]

I updated Evo this morning to the version in updates-testing.  Now it crashes 
on startup, unless I remove the evolution-exchange package.  Normally, I'd just 
uninstall the testing version and go back, but that doesn't help: I get the 
same crash now with the old version.  Also tried removing .evolution/exchange 
and .evolution/mail/exchange, to no avail.  I even removed .evolution--still no 
joy.

The data-server, exchange-storage, and alarm-notify daemons remain running.

Any idea how to get started again?  If necessary, what do I have to delete to 
get back to scratch?  I'm stuck using Outlook or OWA until I get this fixed 8^( 
8^(.

Starting evo from the command line, this is the crash:

--
$ evolution
  
[...blank lines elided...]
  
RSS Plugin enabled (evolution 2.24, evolution-rss 0.1.2)
** (evolution:30063): DEBUG: mailto URL command: evolution --component=mail %s
** (evolution:30063): DEBUG: mailto URL program: evolution

(evolution:30063): camel-WARNING **: camel_type_register: 'CamelExchangeFolder' 
has smaller class size than parent 'CamelOfflineFolder'

(evolution:30063): camel-CRITICAL **: camel_object_is: assertion `o != NULL' 
failed

(evolution:30063): camel-CRITICAL **: camel_folder_construct: assertion 
`CAMEL_IS_FOLDER (folder)' failed
-


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HOWTO: Use KDE 3 from F8 on F10

[Roberto Ragusa]

Hi all,

I just want to share with the list that with the same approach
which let me upgrade from F8 to F9 avoiding the KDE 3 -> 4
migration ("Successfully upgraded to F9 while keeping KDE 3"
thread), I was able to upgrade the same machine to F10.
So it now runs F10 with KDE 3.5.10 from F8 updates.

As for F8->F9, some compatibility rpms had to be compiled
with little modifications to the spec files.

I'm not writing all the details here now, but if anyone is
interested, I can do it (and publish the spec files if
someone wants to try).

F10 is great, but KDE 4 is still not able to convince me to
leave KDE 3 behind.

Best regards.

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Re: Cursor Jumping?

[Kevin J. Cummings]

das wrote:

Dear Cummings

Thank you for the suggestion. The problem of cursor jumping got solved
by making the touchpad off. I got a good script from
http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/archives/2006-02/000651.html.

But the question still remains that for quite some time the problem
was gone, why it returned after the last update? Are they related?


That I can't answer.  I can only note that I see the same, and I'm on 
F9.  And I've noticed it for a couple of months now.



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RE: Asset Management

[bruce]

hi,.

take this with a grain of salt. i would suggest that you look at one of the
open source apps, and talk with the dev team if possible, or submit your
initial request to their email lists if they have one. (assuming you haven't
done this yet!!)

i'm willing to bet that pieces of what you want, already exist, but that
you're going to have to invest some programming to get it just right for
your needs...

good luck on this one!



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From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com
[mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com]on Behalf Of Ashley M. Kirchner
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:25 PM
To: fedora-list@redhat.com
Subject: Asset Management


I know there are plenty of asset management software out there.
Everything I've seen so far is for hardware and software, network,
manufacturer, etc., etc.  I'm looking for something a little bit
broader.

I want one location for all our marketing and web assets. Stock
photos, pictures of products, pictures of projects, templates that we
send to clients, PDFs of data sheets and info pages, catalogs of our
vendors, ads we have run in magazines and
newspapers, anything that has anything to do with our marketing and
online presents. I want it all in one place, inventoried and
cataloged.  And of course, the hardware, software, network and all
that jazz too.

I know that's a tall order, but even if it's something that has
different modules to be added, that's great.  And if it's open source,
even better!

Does anyone have any suggestions?  I don't want to have to reinvent
the wheel if it already exists.

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Re: shrinking NTFS partitions on Windows laptop

[Paul W. Frields]

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:55:37PM -0800, Aldo Foot wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Paul W. Frields  wrote:
> > Does Windows include a tool that lets you shrink the system partition
> > on an installed box?  I know you can't do it while running off that
> > system, but what about something on their installation disc?
> 
> Windows has no such tool. You can only delete, create or format
> partitions during
> install. Then later when the OS is running you have to delete partitions if 
> you
> want to change their size.
> GParted live CD has worked well for me when resizing NTFS filesystems.

Wow.  I'm scratching my head over that one.  So in any case, it's nice
that the Fedora installer doesn't require you to use a further live CD
to do this, but freedom's a good thing regardless.

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How do I allow automatic non root access to my non standard USB device ?

[Linuxguy123]

I'm doing some embedded development and my flash programmer has a USB
interface.  Everything works fine if I program the device as root, but
I'd like to be able to do it as a regular user.  I get port permission
errors if I try to run the programmer as a regular user.

$ lsusb
Bus 002 Device 003: ID 064e:a101 Suyin Corp. Laptop integrated WebCam
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 007 Device 006: ID 15ba:0003 Olimex Ltd. OpenOCD JTAG
Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 006 Device 002: ID 046d:c512 Logitech, Inc. LX-700 Cordless Desktop
Receiver
Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 005 Device 004: ID 067b:2303 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial
Port
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 07ca:a321 AVerMedia Technologies, Inc.
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 003 Device 003: ID 03f0:171d Hewlett-Packard Wireless (Bluetooth +
WLAN) Interface [Integrated Module]
Bus 003 Device 002: ID 08ff:2580 AuthenTec, Inc. AES2501 Fingerprint
Sensor
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub


My programmer is the Olimex Ltd. OpenOCD JTAG device on bus 7.

The documentation for the device says it needs access to /proc/bus/usb.

I can allow regular user access by manually issuing a chown command for
the port, but then I'd have to do it every time I reboot or unplug the
programmer.   How do I set it up to happen automatically in F10 ?

Thanks !





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Re: Asset Management

[Frank Cox]

On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:24:38 -0700
Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

> Does anyone have any suggestions?  I don't want to have to reinvent  
> the wheel if it already exists.

It sounds like your best approach would be to take a general-purpose database
and customize it to your business needs.  Then you get what you really want.

Look at postgresql.

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Asset Management

[Ashley M. Kirchner]

I know there are plenty of asset management software out there.   
Everything I've seen so far is for hardware and software, network,  
manufacturer, etc., etc.  I'm looking for something a little bit  
broader.


I want one location for all our marketing and web assets. Stock  
photos, pictures of products, pictures of projects, templates that we  
send to clients, PDFs of data sheets and info pages, catalogs of our  
vendors, ads we have run in magazines and
newspapers, anything that has anything to do with our marketing and  
online presents. I want it all in one place, inventoried and  
cataloged.  And of course, the hardware, software, network and all  
that jazz too.


I know that's a tall order, but even if it's something that has  
different modules to be added, that's great.  And if it's open source,  
even better!


Does anyone have any suggestions?  I don't want to have to reinvent  
the wheel if it already exists.


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Re: shrinking NTFS partitions on Windows laptop

[Frank Cox]

On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:42:43 +
Anne Wilson wrote:

> Sadly I can't actually get rid of windows until I can get an Aladdin/hasp 
> dongle to work with linux.  My embroidery machine needs software that will 
> only run with the dongle attached.

I've always found it strange when a company sells a machine that requires
software, and the software has a dongle.  Isn't the machine itself a 'dongle'?

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I have a firewall mystery.

[Steven W. Orr]

I happen to be using a firewall on Fedora 10 that I like very much called 
fiaif. At startup, fiaif starts like it's supposed to. My machine has two 
NICs. eth0 goes to the outside and eth1 goes to my wife's 'puter running 
Fedora 8. After I boot, she can not see the outside world, but if I 
restart fiaif then she's fine. I captured the iptables setting both before 
and after restarting fiaif and they are identical. chkconfig --list 
iptables tells me that it's turned off. So I have no idea what's going on.


One more thing: There's a comment in /etc/init.d/network

# Should-Start: iptables ip6tables

but I don't see that that's happening anywhere in the code.

Does this make any sense?

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Re: Need help with WLAN on Eee PC 1000H

[Adalbert Prokop]

fred smith schrieb:

Hello!

> And there's no need to compile it for f10 either. Just add the
> RPM FUsion free and nonfree repositories then use "add/remove software"
> to add the kmod or akmod packages for the rt2860 driver. Voila.

Well, my experience say otherwise... Voilà is not true. I just installed
the akmod-rt2860 driver and restored the virgin wpa_supplicant.conf to
please NM. But still no progress in this matter.

>> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=199434

If this procedure does not succeed the next thing I will try is to
backup F10 and restore the original WinXP. Then I'll connect to my AP
and pull the battery. I suspect the Windows driver to leave the chipset
in a dorment state. It's only a wild guess but I have no other idea.

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Re: jEdit on F10?

[Alan Evans]

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Jonathan Underwood wrote:
> Have you tried enabling the jpackage repository?
>
> http://www.jpackage.org/

Not successfully.

I downloaded the jpackage17.repo file, but yum just errored out on
every mirror. I forced the repo file to pretend that I wanted Fedora-9
(I'm F10) and the complaints went away, but still "yum search jedit"
only returned antlr-jedit.noarch, which I don't think is the editor.

> looks like they have jedit (have never installed/used it myself tho):
>
> http://www.jpackage.org/browser/rpm.php?jppversion=1.6&id=5030

I'll look into that. If it works, then I'm good with that, but a
working repo compatible with Fedora 10 would be better...

Thanks.

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Re: shrinking NTFS partitions on Windows laptop

[Aldo Foot]

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Paul W. Frields  wrote:
> Does Windows include a tool that lets you shrink the system partition
> on an installed box?  I know you can't do it while running off that
> system, but what about something on their installation disc?

Windows has no such tool. You can only delete, create or format
partitions during
install. Then later when the OS is running you have to delete partitions if you
want to change their size.
GParted live CD has worked well for me when resizing NTFS filesystems.

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Problem building kernel 2.6.28

[Reg Clemens]

Im having problems building a 2.6.28 kernel.
My first problem (discussed in a previous posting) involves the error message
when booting of

rpcbind: server localhost not responding

I have yet to get a response on that one that helps, so I tried merging two
configuration files, one that doesnt produce the problem, with one that does.
(The one that doesnt is from a previous kernel.)

As expected, xconfig complains a lot on reading the merged config file, but
I had hoped that it would have done the right thing.  It seems it has, AND
I get no errors while BUIDING the kernel but when I boot, I get the messges

insmod: error inserting `/lib/ehci-hcd.ko': Invalid module format
  ohci-hcd. 
  uhci-hcd. 
  jbd.
  ext3.
  scsi-mod.
(fill in) sd-mod.   (fill in)
  libata.
  atapiix.
  dm-mod.
  dm-log.
  dm-region-hash.
  dm-miror.
  dm-zero.
  dm-snapshot.

and then other errors caused by these missing modules.

Normally I would expect an error like this to be caused by a lack of memory
while doing the compiles, but that doesnt seem to be the case, and there
are NO complaints in a typescript of the kernel build.

Any thoughts.
I seem to be regressing, rather than making forward progress on this project.

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Re: shrinking NTFS partitions on Windows laptop

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 15 January 2009 20:01:07 Craig White wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 19:38 +, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Thursday 15 January 2009 18:08:55 Paul W. Frields wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:55:05AM -0700, Craig White wrote:
> > > > Netbook has arrived (yeah!)
> > > >
> > > > If I boot F10 Live CD, does it have necessary parted/gparted to
> > > > shrink the NTFS partition to make room for F10 or do I have to use
> > > > like a gparted-live CD for that?
> > >
> > > No need for a separate parted/gparted with Fedora.  The installer has
> > > a built-in resizing spinner for NTFS file systems, built on the same
> > > modern NTFS utilities, so you can just resize it down and continue
> > > partitioning.  The resizing and partition writing gets done after
> > > you've set things up the way you like.
> >
> > I'm not saying anything against gparted or any other such tool, but my
> > natural caution says use a windows tool to do the windows bit and a linux
> > tool to do the linux stuff.  That method has never let me down :-)
>
> 
> I think I stopped buying updates to Partition Magic at version 8 but
> regardless...
>
> parted/gparted is a terrific open source application and I trust it
> implicitly. Worse yet, if you run with a proprietary application and it
> somehow does fail, they just say oops and you contribute little to the
> community. If I have problems with the open source tools, I can give
> feedback with the hope that I contribute to the knowledge and code
> base.
>
Yes, it very much depends on your circumstances as to whether that's an 
option.  It's a while since I did this, but ISTR using windows itself to 
repartition - or was that when I repartitioned a W2K disk?

> Myself, I have little usage for dual-boot 

Sadly I can't actually get rid of windows until I can get an Aladdin/hasp 
dongle to work with linux.  My embroidery machine needs software that will 
only run with the dongle attached.

> and probably should just nuke
> the Windows but it's a big disk - unlike the Sony PictureBook C1x that
> it's replacing where I did nuke the Windows partition ultimately to make
> all 4 GB of the disk available to Linux. All-in-all though, I got a lot
> of miles out of the Sony PictureBook which at the time, was a very
> expensive little guy.
>
> Curious note from today...apparently the Acer Aspire netbooks are
> significantly changing the map...
> http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/01/14/apples_share_of_us_pc_market_
>slips_to_8_at_hands_of_acer.html
>
> and apparently it's possible to install Mac OS X on the thing...
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10142638-37.html
>
> not that I have any interest in that.
>
Nor I, for myself.  But interesting, all the same

Anne


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Strongswan

[Roger Grosswiler]

i still look for a good solution in vpn. i tried openswan with racoon,
openvpn. They are all quite good, openswan is more complicated than
openvpn. Now, i stumbeld on strongswan, which seems to be one of the
best maintained solution (as i read in linux magazine).

is it planned to get this packed in fedora? If it is, where can i get
it? 

The advantage of strongswan is the integration in NetworkManager,
which is done, but not with openswan. Openswan is integrated in
system-config-network, it is the question, if it belongs there, as
NetworkManager should do most work on networking. OpenVPN and Cisco VPN
are handled by NetworkManager too...

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Re: mount question

[Aldo Foot]

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Craig White  wrote:
>> Not true.  The ntfs module could be compiled with write abilities in
>> RH9.  It wasn't _reliable_ but it was there, and it didn't use udev.
>> udev really doesn't have anything to do with filesystems other than
>> potentially triggering a mount command.
> 
> you're right...the ability to mount ntfs r/w was indeed available way
> back but the admonitions were clear that by doing so would likely damage
> the filesystem. That sort of made a non-option.
>
> I agree with the OP that it probably should mount an internal IDE drive
> somewhere other than /media but I suspect that he originally mounted it
> as a user and that's where it appears.
>
> The man pages for ntfs-3g and if needed, http://ntfs-3g.org/support.html
> should be all he needs to get it to mount where his heart desires.
>
> Craig

My understanding is that in /media the OS expects to find removable media
such as usb drives. The /mnt mount point is for nfs and local filesystems.
Those mount points are sort of "designated" places for specific filesystems.

Please shed some light if I'm wrong.
~af

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Re: jEdit on F10?

[Raymond C. Rodgers]

Alan Evans wrote:

Has anyone successfully installed jEdit on Fedora 10? How did you do it?

Honestly, I've never used it myself. Although it looks to be a very
capable editor. Most of the developers at my company just switched to
it (Windows users, all), so I thought it would be prudent to test it
out myself.

I just can't see a relatively painless way to install it.

  
I just used the Java-based installer from their site to install. I've 
been using it for about four years now, and I do like it for the most 
part, though there seems to be a problem between F10 and the default 
font monospaced that it uses: certain characters, such as the underscore 
and any character that sits partially on or below the "line" don't get 
rendered properly no matter what anti-aliasing, subpixel precision and 
other settings I've tried. Ultimately, I had to switch to another 
monospaced font, and the issue went away.


Be sure to install the ftp plug-in if you need to access files on a 
remote server via ftp or sftp. One other thing, it doesn't support 
Gnome's virtual file system, so if you use "Connect to Server" to mount 
remote file systems, it won't see them. However, if you mount them 
through fstab or some other means, they seem to work fine.


Raymond

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Re: shrinking NTFS partitions on Windows laptop

[Paul W. Frields]

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 07:38:10PM +, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Thursday 15 January 2009 18:08:55 Paul W. Frields wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:55:05AM -0700, Craig White wrote:
> > > Netbook has arrived (yeah!)
> > >
> > > If I boot F10 Live CD, does it have necessary parted/gparted to shrink
> > > the NTFS partition to make room for F10 or do I have to use like a
> > > gparted-live CD for that?
> >
> > No need for a separate parted/gparted with Fedora.  The installer has
> > a built-in resizing spinner for NTFS file systems, built on the same
> > modern NTFS utilities, so you can just resize it down and continue
> > partitioning.  The resizing and partition writing gets done after
> > you've set things up the way you like.
> 
> I'm not saying anything against gparted or any other such tool, but my 
> natural 
> caution says use a windows tool to do the windows bit and a linux tool to do 
> the linux stuff.  That method has never let me down :-)

Does Windows include a tool that lets you shrink the system partition
on an installed box?  I know you can't do it while running off that
system, but what about something on their installation disc?

I certainly wouldn't want to see people think they needed to go buy a
$40 tool to do something that works perfectly fine with a free one.
I've tested Anaconda's method myself with plenty of systems I cared
about and suffered no ill effects, but obviously YMMV.

Paul


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Re: shrinking NTFS partitions on Windows laptop

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 14:07 -0600, Dave Ihnat wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 01:01:07PM -0700, Craig White wrote:
> > Curious note from today...apparently the Acer Aspire netbooks are
> > significantly changing the map...
> 
> I'm not surprised; they hit a sweet spot with the AA1.  Big enough hard
> drive to be usable, very decent display, large enough keyboard to use for
> touch-typing, good battery life, lightweight and small form factor,
> *very* hackable hardware, accepts Linux, and a really sensible price tag.
> I picked one up for my son to use in college, and find myself swiping it
> to throw in my coat pocket for client support.  (Ok, it's winter in
> Chicago, so the coat pocket is larger than some, but still.)

I spent 25 of the first 28 years of my life in Chicago (college in
Denver) and my memories of winter in Chicago had become vague having
been out of there since 1981 until a memory jarring Christmas in Denver
this year reminded me of what sub-zero temperatures were like. There
isn't a coat made that makes winters in Chicago tolerable - I don't care
how big the pockets are. I found out that in Phoenix, winter didn't
completely suck.

I had long been against giving laptops to students because they don't
last but for the cost of the AA1, who cares?

Craig

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Re: shrinking NTFS partitions on Windows laptop

[Dave Ihnat]

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 01:01:07PM -0700, Craig White wrote:
> Curious note from today...apparently the Acer Aspire netbooks are
> significantly changing the map...

I'm not surprised; they hit a sweet spot with the AA1.  Big enough hard
drive to be usable, very decent display, large enough keyboard to use for
touch-typing, good battery life, lightweight and small form factor,
*very* hackable hardware, accepts Linux, and a really sensible price tag.
I picked one up for my son to use in college, and find myself swiping it
to throw in my coat pocket for client support.  (Ok, it's winter in
Chicago, so the coat pocket is larger than some, but still.)

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Re: shrinking NTFS partitions on Windows laptop

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 19:38 +, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Thursday 15 January 2009 18:08:55 Paul W. Frields wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:55:05AM -0700, Craig White wrote:
> > > Netbook has arrived (yeah!)
> > >
> > > If I boot F10 Live CD, does it have necessary parted/gparted to shrink
> > > the NTFS partition to make room for F10 or do I have to use like a
> > > gparted-live CD for that?
> >
> > No need for a separate parted/gparted with Fedora.  The installer has
> > a built-in resizing spinner for NTFS file systems, built on the same
> > modern NTFS utilities, so you can just resize it down and continue
> > partitioning.  The resizing and partition writing gets done after
> > you've set things up the way you like.
> 
> I'm not saying anything against gparted or any other such tool, but my 
> natural 
> caution says use a windows tool to do the windows bit and a linux tool to do 
> the linux stuff.  That method has never let me down :-)

I think I stopped buying updates to Partition Magic at version 8 but
regardless...

parted/gparted is a terrific open source application and I trust it
implicitly. Worse yet, if you run with a proprietary application and it
somehow does fail, they just say oops and you contribute little to the
community. If I have problems with the open source tools, I can give
feedback with the hope that I contribute to the knowledge and code
base. 

Myself, I have little usage for dual-boot and probably should just nuke
the Windows but it's a big disk - unlike the Sony PictureBook C1x that
it's replacing where I did nuke the Windows partition ultimately to make
all 4 GB of the disk available to Linux. All-in-all though, I got a lot
of miles out of the Sony PictureBook which at the time, was a very
expensive little guy.

Curious note from today...apparently the Acer Aspire netbooks are
significantly changing the map...
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/01/14/apples_share_of_us_pc_market_slips_to_8_at_hands_of_acer.html

and apparently it's possible to install Mac OS X on the thing...
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10142638-37.html

not that I have any interest in that.

Craig

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Disabling cd/dvd automount

[Konstantin Svist]

Gnome usually pops up a message box asking what it should do when a DVD
is inserted.
At one point, I selected "Do nothing" and saved that choice.
How do I get the popup back?

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Re: unable to enumerate USB device

[Robin Laing]

jack wallen wrote:

After an update (fedora 10) none of my USB devices are recognized. This
is what i get from dmesg:

Jan 14 17:17:13 localhost kernel: usb 1-7: new full speed USB device
using ohci_hcd and address 20
Jan 14 17:17:13 localhost kernel: usb 1-7: device descriptor read/64,
error -62
Jan 14 17:17:14 localhost kernel: usb 1-7: device descriptor read/64,
error -62
Jan 14 17:17:14 localhost kernel: usb 1-7: new full speed USB device
using ohci_hcd and address 21
Jan 14 17:17:14 localhost kernel: usb 1-7: device descriptor read/64,
error -62
Jan 14 17:17:14 localhost kernel: usb 1-7: device descriptor read/64,
error -62
Jan 14 17:17:15 localhost kernel: usb 1-7: new full speed USB device
using ohci_hcd and address 22
Jan 14 17:17:15 localhost kernel: usb 1-7: device not accepting address
22, error -62
Jan 14 17:17:15 localhost kernel: usb 1-7: new full speed USB device
using ohci_hcd and address 23
Jan 14 17:17:16 localhost kernel: usb 1-7: device not accepting address
23, error -62
Jan 14 17:17:16 localhost kernel: hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB
device on port 7

I have googled the issue but am only finding instances where this causes
issue with booting but not an inability to mount usb devices. 


Can anyone shed any light on this issue?

Thank you.

jack



Have you tried to plug directly into the computer?  Front and back 
connectors?


I have a few devices that don't want to work through a hub.  Just 
something to test.



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Re: Encrypted partition backups.

[Robin Laing]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Robin Laing wrote:
OK, now it is an option to create encrypted partitions with F10 during 
install.  With this, the issue of backups gets changed and I wonder 
how people are dealing with it.


I am about to install a system where each users home directory will be 
encrypted and mounted on login and unmounted on logout.


Now the question comes to how to make automatic backups of these 
encrypted partitions when they are not mounted.  This has to take into 
account that the backup needs to be as secure as the original users 
directories.


Is there a tool that allows partition backups of only the changes as 
with incremental backups?  Do we just have to clone the partition and 
make copies of that each time?


It is a question that I have posed to our IT staff and they have not 
thought about it either.


What you want is a copy-on-write system to record the changes. Too bad 
you didn't go the whole way on security and run each users in a virtual 
machine. Then you could make a COW image of the partition, let the user 
run with that, then back up only the changed pages. When the backup gets 
large, commit the changes and take a "full" (whole partition) backup, 
and make a new working COW image for the user to use.


I do similar with development VMs, make some changes, run with it a 
while to see that they were *good* changes, then commit. Each day I back 
up only the differences between the reference image and the working image.




As nothing is set in stone yet, this sounds like a good idea.  The 
question is about the security of the individual files using this 
system.  The knowledge to anyone that may be watching the network on if 
there is 1 or 100 files being updated.


Any by file backup may provide details that may not want to be revealed. 
 It is a tough question to look at.


One of the reasons to start looking at it before things are finalized.

User home directories will be encrypted and mounted on login.  That is 
already confirmed as presently home directories are mounted on login.


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Re: shrinking NTFS partitions on Windows laptop

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 15 January 2009 18:08:55 Paul W. Frields wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:55:05AM -0700, Craig White wrote:
> > Netbook has arrived (yeah!)
> >
> > If I boot F10 Live CD, does it have necessary parted/gparted to shrink
> > the NTFS partition to make room for F10 or do I have to use like a
> > gparted-live CD for that?
>
> No need for a separate parted/gparted with Fedora.  The installer has
> a built-in resizing spinner for NTFS file systems, built on the same
> modern NTFS utilities, so you can just resize it down and continue
> partitioning.  The resizing and partition writing gets done after
> you've set things up the way you like.

I'm not saying anything against gparted or any other such tool, but my natural 
caution says use a windows tool to do the windows bit and a linux tool to do 
the linux stuff.  That method has never let me down :-)

Anne


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Re: Encrypted partition backups.

[Robin Laing]

Bruno Wolff III wrote:

On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:31:53 -0700,
  Robin Laing  wrote:
Encryption to the level of encrypted home directories isn't being used  
yet.  I asked them if they had any ideas and we agree that for  
incremental backups, a block diff would have to be done.  Of course,  
depending on the size of the partition, this could take some time.  I  
don't know.


It's possibly too late for this, but what threat are you trying to counter
by encrypting by home directores?

Encrypting by partition and leaving them mounted all of the time would allow
administrator access for making incremental backups. Most likely your admins
are already trusted, as they could steal the passphrases needed to unlock the
home directories my modifying the program that prompts for passwords or
pulling keys out of memory. So encrypting home directories to prevent their
access shouldn't be needed from a security perspective. There could be
regulatory reasons you might have to do things that way.

If you are trying to protect the users from accidentally letting other users
see their stuff, there are probably other ways to do this without causing
problems for making backups.




It is an array of issues.

As simple as preventing someone from seeing the files indirectly to the 
requirement for full encryption beyond just file encryption (PGP or 
TrueCrypt).


In some cases, there may be two or even three levels of encryption being 
used.  Sorry but I cannot go into details than there is a requirement. 
There is a chance that laptops can be lost/stolen. I do understand that 
in most cases, the drives will be formatted and just sold to run Windows 
on but if they are stolen/hacked for other reasons, then layers of 
protection need to be in place.  It is like having a firewall at the 
gateway to the Internet and then having a second firewall on the 
computer for a second layer of protection.


In some cases, due to shared work spaces and shared computers (I love 
our tight economy) there is also a need for increased levels of 
security.  At present, our home directories are mounted at login already 
on desktops, to allow sharing between work stations so this is part of 
the present domain.  Encryption is just adding to this.


We could look at a backup routine that only backs up at times that users 
are logged into the network but this could hit the network at its 
busiest times.



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eth0 not working - fine in Windows

[Chris]

Hi,

A couple of days ago whilst running F10, a friend was inserting a USB
stick and the physical connection on the front panel of my PC broke.
The machine immediately powered off. When I booted again, everything
seemed fine except that the network connection had stopped working.
When I try "service network start", it says it's unable to determine
IP information - check cable.

If I boot into Windows it works fine. I'm doubtful that it's a
hardware problem because (a) it works in Windows, and (b) the problem
USB connector is on the front panel and connected via a lead, i.e.
it's not directly attached to the motherboard.

Any ideas on where to start investigating?

As a side question, when I look in system-config-network, I've got a
device called pan0. I don't recall it being there, but it may have
been there and I just didn't notice it. I'm not using NetworkManager
as I've found it can just cause problems. Maybe I could give it a go
anyway but I suspect the problem is deeper than that.

Thanks, Chris.

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Re: jEdit on F10?

[Jonathan Underwood]

2009/1/15 Alan Evans :
> Has anyone successfully installed jEdit on Fedora 10? How did you do it?
>
> Honestly, I've never used it myself. Although it looks to be a very
> capable editor. Most of the developers at my company just switched to
> it (Windows users, all), so I thought it would be prudent to test it
> out myself.
>
> I just can't see a relatively painless way to install it.

Have you tried enabling the jpackage repository?

http://www.jpackage.org/

looks like they have jedit (have never installed/used it myself tho):

http://www.jpackage.org/browser/rpm.php?jppversion=1.6&id=5030


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jEdit on F10?

[Alan Evans]

Has anyone successfully installed jEdit on Fedora 10? How did you do it?

Honestly, I've never used it myself. Although it looks to be a very
capable editor. Most of the developers at my company just switched to
it (Windows users, all), so I thought it would be prudent to test it
out myself.

I just can't see a relatively painless way to install it.

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Re: HELP: "rpcbind: server localhost not responding"

[Anthony Messina]

On Thursday 15 January 2009 12:35:14 Rick Stevens wrote:
> Reg Clemens wrote:
> > HELP - I have built a new kernel (to add some options) and I have
> > obviously missed something important... but I cant find it.
> >
> > With THIS new kernel, during the boot, I get the message
> >
> > rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out
> > RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errorno 5)

if you use tcp wrappers, you may need to enable 127.0.0.1 with access to 
rpcbind in hosts.allow

> > With a previous kernel everything is OK, so its not a
> > userland problem.
> >
> > Ive looked at everything imaginable with xconfig, and I dont
> > see what Ive missed,- somebody...  point me at my stupidity.
>
> Er, did you enable networking?

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Re: shrinking NTFS partitions on Windows laptop

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 13:08 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:55:05AM -0700, Craig White wrote:
> > Netbook has arrived (yeah!)
> > 
> > If I boot F10 Live CD, does it have necessary parted/gparted to shrink
> > the NTFS partition to make room for F10 or do I have to use like a
> > gparted-live CD for that?
> 
> No need for a separate parted/gparted with Fedora.  The installer has
> a built-in resizing spinner for NTFS file systems, built on the same
> modern NTFS utilities, so you can just resize it down and continue
> partitioning.  The resizing and partition writing gets done after
> you've set things up the way you like.

thanks Paul/Todd

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Re: No system-config-display, so what now?

[Rahul Sundaram]

Paulo Cavalcanti wrote:

But it the event of new graphics card, some process has to erase 
(rename) any previous xorg.conf
available.  This was the main problem I had when I installed F10. I 
removed an nvidia card
I used during the installation (to start using my onboard Intel 
graphics) , and then I had no X

at all, until I manually erased my xorg.conf and rebooted.


Kudzu functionality has been replaced by HAL which is used by Xorg to 
manage this. You should file a bug report in this instance since it is a 
bug.


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Re: HELP: "rpcbind: server localhost not responding"

[Rick Stevens]

Reg Clemens wrote:
HELP - I have built a new kernel (to add some options) and I have 
obviously missed something important... but I cant find it.


With THIS new kernel, during the boot, I get the message

rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out
RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errorno 5)

With a previous kernel everything is OK, so its not a
userland problem. 


Ive looked at everything imaginable with xconfig, and I dont
see what Ive missed,- somebody...  point me at my stupidity.


Er, did you enable networking?
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Re: xorg.conf resolution issues

[Leslie Satenstein]

I have added other resolutions to the list that system-config-display provided. 
I don't know how it creates the list, but there were some that were left out.

I would like to know how to define the sweep frequencies that are associated 
with a resolution.  Is this information coming from the monitor?  

UBUNTU supports some sweep frequencies that are not showing in Fedora's list 
for the same resolutions. With UBUNTU I can get the screen to full width and 
height, without overshoot or undershoot. With Fedora, I have to skip that 
resolution as the two sweep frequency options are under/over  (60 / 85 ).  
Frustrating to not know what to search for in google for problem resolution.

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Subject: Re: xorg.conf resolution issues
To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." 

Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 7:15 AM

On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 09:41 -0500, jack wallen wrote:
> 
> Chris,
> 
> Thank you for your reply. I did just add a KVM prior to installing F10. I
> didn't think it would be an issue but I think that might be the
culprit.
> When I get home I'll remove it and see what happens. If that is the
case -
> is there a way around it? Or can I remove it, reconfigure X, and
> re-install the KVM?

We're moving towards having X autoconfigure itself based on what the
hardware says it can do. This works in the most common cases. However,
with a KVM switch between the system and the monitor, it may not be
possible for the video card to get information from the monitor about
the resolutions and scan rates it supports (EDID), so you'll need to
supply that information in an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file -- either by
creating one manually or by using a config tool (system-config-display,
X -configure, nvidia-settings, ...).

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Re: No system-config-display, so what now?

[Paulo Cavalcanti]

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Rahul Sundaram  wrote:

> Paulo Cavalcanti wrote:
>
>  Sorry, Rahul
>>
>> but in the past, when a new hardware was installed, the xorg.conf was
>> renamed,
>> and a new one was created automatically. Now, if you happen to have an
>> xorg.conf,
>> and change the hardware, X simply does not start, because it tries to use
>> the wrong xorg.conf.
>>
>
> Xorg doesn't overwrite files by itself afaik and I don't know how that
> happened. Do you have a bug report filed?
>
>
In Fedora < F9, I think this was done by kudzu. Now there is no kudzu, but
only hal.

But it the event of new graphics card, some process has to erase (rename)
any previous xorg.conf
available.  This was the main problem I had when I installed F10. I removed
an nvidia card
I used during the installation (to start using my onboard Intel graphics) ,
and then I had no X
at all, until I manually erased my xorg.conf and rebooted.


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Re: HELP: "rpcbind: server localhost not responding"

[Reg Clemens]

> On Thursday 15 January 2009 12:35:14 Rick Stevens wrote:
> > Reg Clemens wrote:
> > > HELP - I have built a new kernel (to add some options) and I have
> > > obviously missed something important... but I cant find it.
> > >
> > > With THIS new kernel, during the boot, I get the message
> > >
> > >   rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out
> > >   RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errorno 5)
> 
> if you use tcp wrappers, you may need to enable 127.0.0.1 with access to 
> rpcbind in hosts.allow
>

Nope, thats not it.
 
> > > With a previous kernel everything is OK, so its not a
> > > userland problem.
> > >
> > > Ive looked at everything imaginable with xconfig, and I dont
> > > see what Ive missed,- somebody...  point me at my stupidity.
>
> Er, did you enable networking?

Networking is up and running, I can talk to other machines. 

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HELP: "rpcbind: server localhost not responding"

[Reg Clemens]

HELP - I have built a new kernel (to add some options) and I have 
obviously missed something important... but I cant find it.

With THIS new kernel, during the boot, I get the message

rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out
RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errorno 5)

With a previous kernel everything is OK, so its not a
userland problem. 

Ive looked at everything imaginable with xconfig, and I dont
see what Ive missed,- somebody...  point me at my stupidity.


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Re: shrinking NTFS partitions on Windows laptop

[Paul W. Frields]

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:55:05AM -0700, Craig White wrote:
> Netbook has arrived (yeah!)
> 
> If I boot F10 Live CD, does it have necessary parted/gparted to shrink
> the NTFS partition to make room for F10 or do I have to use like a
> gparted-live CD for that?

No need for a separate parted/gparted with Fedora.  The installer has
a built-in resizing spinner for NTFS file systems, built on the same
modern NTFS utilities, so you can just resize it down and continue
partitioning.  The resizing and partition writing gets done after
you've set things up the way you like.

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Re: shrinking NTFS partitions on Windows laptop

[Todd Zullinger]

Craig White wrote:
> Netbook has arrived (yeah!)
>
> If I boot F10 Live CD, does it have necessary parted/gparted to shrink
> the NTFS partition to make room for F10 or do I have to use like a
> gparted-live CD for that?

I don't know whether the live cd exposes this or not, but the
installer does have support for NTFS according to:

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f10/en_US/sn-expert-prepare.html

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Re: No system-config-display, so what now?

[Tim]

On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 19:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> It is not. You cannot rely on a static xorg.conf since the hardware
> can be switched (think new monitor on a desktop for instance) and
> writing it everytime slows down your display startup and doesn't work
> well in other instances (think LTSP).

For a lot of people, it'd be better to just create an xorg.conf file
that suits their hardly-ever changing graphics hardware (likewise for
keyboard and mouse), and initiate a change to the configuration on the
few occasions that their graphics hardware actually does change.

The obvious alternative to having no xorg.conf file (for auto set-up),
would be to have an "auto" parameter for the video driver.  That would
allow you to fix some aspects of the xorg.conf file, and leave other
parts to run automatically (without needing to rewrite the file).

I don't think changing the monitor on a desktop is going to be a
frequent occurrence, outside of a workshop.  But occasionally adding an
external monitor to a laptop is much more likely.  And you might want to
be able to fix the internal display parameters to make the LCD actually
work, yet leave the external monitor parameters for automatic probing.

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shrinking NTFS partitions on Windows laptop

[Craig White]

Netbook has arrived (yeah!)

If I boot F10 Live CD, does it have necessary parted/gparted to shrink
the NTFS partition to make room for F10 or do I have to use like a
gparted-live CD for that?

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Re: FC10, Could not start Kstartupconfig

[Tim]

On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 15:57 -0500, Jim wrote:
> Had to reinstall box with KDE and when partitioning I left the 
> /home/users directories alone.
> after installation i had to put the users back in with passwords (no 
> change in username and password)
> Out of five users when trying to log back into two users I get this 
> error message , "Could not start Kstartupconfig"
> , and I can't get into their home directories.

How did you create the new user logins?

I'm guessing that you just added new users, one by one, and didn't add
them in the same order as the first time around.  So that some user
names have the same user ID (numerical), and some don't.

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Re: Cursor Jumping?

[Tim]

On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 20:41 +0530, das wrote:
> But the question still remains that for quite some time the problem
> was gone, why it returned after the last update? Are they related?

There are options about how sensitive the pad is.  I wonder if the
default values changed?

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Re: mount question

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 09:18 -0800, Rick Stevens wrote:
> Craig White wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 14:33 +, Steve wrote:
> >>
> >> I'll try changing the type from fuse to ntfs tonight and see what that 
> >> does. The error message of "permission denied" leads me to think that this 
> >> will not solve the problem but hey, I've been wrong before...1982 I think 
> >> it was... ;-D
> >>
> >> I have to say though that I am really suprised that nobody on this list 
> >> can give a simple answer to the seemingly simple question of "how do I 
> >> change the mount point of a hard drive".
> > 
> > Say what? Linux didn't have the ability to read/write to ntfs
> > filesystems before udev so there's something wrong with your premise.
> 
> Not true.  The ntfs module could be compiled with write abilities in
> RH9.  It wasn't _reliable_ but it was there, and it didn't use udev.
> udev really doesn't have anything to do with filesystems other than
> potentially triggering a mount command.

you're right...the ability to mount ntfs r/w was indeed available way
back but the admonitions were clear that by doing so would likely damage
the filesystem. That sort of made a non-option.

I agree with the OP that it probably should mount an internal IDE drive
somewhere other than /media but I suspect that he originally mounted it
as a user and that's where it appears.

The man pages for ntfs-3g and if needed, http://ntfs-3g.org/support.html
should be all he needs to get it to mount where his heart desires.

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Re: mount question

[Rick Stevens]

Craig White wrote:

On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 14:33 +, Steve wrote:
 Craig White  wrote: 

On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 14:31 -0500, Steve wrote:
 Craig White  wrote: 

On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 16:23 +, Steve wrote:
If I let HAL & friends automagically mount my Windows partition mount reports this: 
 
# mount 
... 
/dev/sdb1 on /media/disk type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096) 
 
The problem is that I want this partition mounted on /mnt/c_drive not 
/media/disk so I tried to add a line to /etc/fstab as follows: 
 
/dev/sdb1/mnt/c_drive   fuserw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096
0 0 
 
(I started with a type of fuseblk instead of fuse but that didn't work at all 
and note that fuse is not documented in the mount man page) 
 
but then as root 
# mount /dev/sdb1 
/bin/sh: /dev/sdb1: Permission denied 
 
# ls -l /dev/sdb1 
brw-r- 1 root disk 8, 17 2009-01-12 13:24 /dev/sdb1 
 
It's not a selinux problem because I'm running in permissive mode: 
# sestatus 
SELinux status: enabled 
SELinuxfs mount:/selinux 
Current mode:   permissive 
Mode from config file:  permissive 
Policy version: 23 
Policy from config file:targeted 
 
This is on an F8 system and I'm trying to get my backup to work so I can upgrade 
to F9. 
 
What am I doing wrong here? 


perhaps you are just trying to use too much muscle

Perhaps I am but personally I don't consider editing /etc/fstab to be heavy 
lifting.


why not just let it mount like it does and use a bind mount elsewhere...

mount --bind /media/disk /mnt/c_drive

I've no doubt that this will work but there HAS to be a simple way to mount a 
partition where I want directly. It juts seems so basic.


The problem you have is that you are starting with a swimming upstream
premise.

USB storage is considered 'removable storage' and thus is typically
handled by udev as user - which sort of makes sense if you stop to
consider it. The 'user' can mount/unmount removable storage devices at
any time.

/mnt was never intended to be for anything but permanently mounted
filesystems, i.e. not removable - no user action required or reasonably
permitted.

Now if this 'windows filesystem' (and you don't specify what kind it
is), is to be mounted by root at boot and remain mounted without any
user interaction at all, then by all means add it to /etc/fstab as vfat
(if it's vfat) or ntfs-3g (if it's ntfs and recognize that the ntfs-3g
automatically uses the fuse system for you).

Indeed it is a permanently mounted drive (internal IDE) and it has been mounted 
on /mnt since before /media became popular.

I'll try changing the type from fuse to ntfs tonight and see what that does. The error 
message of "permission denied" leads me to think that this will not solve the 
problem but hey, I've been wrong before...1982 I think it was... ;-D

I have to say though that I am really suprised that nobody on this list can give a simple 
answer to the seemingly simple question of "how do I change the mount point of a 
hard drive".


Say what? Linux didn't have the ability to read/write to ntfs
filesystems before udev so there's something wrong with your premise.


Not true.  The ntfs module could be compiled with write abilities in
RH9.  It wasn't _reliable_ but it was there, and it didn't use udev.
udev really doesn't have anything to do with filesystems other than
potentially triggering a mount command.
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Re: Tomcat Admin application(solved)

[Seann Clark]

Seann Clark wrote:

M A Young wrote:

On Wed, 14 Jan 2009, Seann Clark wrote:

I don't know where I am missing something, and since this is a 
rather crash course in solving a problem with tomcat itself in my 
deployment (it rather likes to make everything go to 
http://localhost/ instead of http://www.tsukinoakge.net like it 
should) which I am looking for better insight into the server that 
is a little less cryptic than xml files scattered everywhere in the 
distribution, and me not having a clue where to look.


Do you have the tomcat5-admin-webapps package installed? I believe 
that is the one that provides the admin package, so is the first 
thing to check if you haven't already done so.


Michael Young


found some things that were missing:

in the /usr/share/tomcat5/server/webapps/admin/WEB-INF/lib directory:

symbolic links for these three included files (in the tar for the 
admin utility) weren't there:

commons-beanutils.jar
commons-digester-1.8.jar
commons-collections.jar

After going to the admin app once, I get a white page. After that is 
refreshed, I get this:



 HTTP Status 503 - Servlet admin.login_jsp is currently unavailable



*type* Status report

*message* _Servlet admin.login_jsp is currently unavailable_

*description* _The requested service (Servlet admin.login_jsp is 
currently unavailable) is not currently available._





 Apache Tomcat/5.5.27




in the log files I see this:

Jan 15, 2009 10:15:55 AM org.apache.commons.digester.Digester endElement
SEVERE: End event threw error
java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/commons/modeler/Registry
   at java.lang.Class.getDeclaredMethods0(Native Method)
   at java.lang.Class.privateGetDeclaredMethods(Class.java:2444)
   at java.lang.Class.getMethod0(Class.java:2687)
   at java.lang.Class.getMethod(Class.java:1620)
   at 
org.apache.commons.beanutils.MethodUtils.getMatchingAccessibleMethod(MethodUtils.java:535) 

   at 
org.apache.commons.beanutils.MethodUtils.invokeMethod(MethodUtils.java:209) 

   at 
org.apache.commons.digester.CallMethodRule.end(CallMethodRule.java:626)

   at org.apache.commons.digester.Rule.end(Rule.java:253)
   at 
org.apache.commons.digester.Digester.endElement(Digester.java:1222)
   at 
org.apache.xerces.parsers.AbstractSAXParser.endElement(Unknown Source)
   at 
org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLNSDocumentScannerImpl.scanEndElement(Unknown 
Source)
   at 
org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl$FragmentContentDispatcher.dispatch(Unknown 
Source)
   at 
org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.scanDocument(Unknown 
Source)
   at org.apache.xerces.parsers.XML11Configuration.parse(Unknown 
Source)
   at org.apache.xerces.parsers.XML11Configuration.parse(Unknown 
Source)

   at org.apache.xerces.parsers.XMLParser.parse(Unknown Source)
   at org.apache.xerces.parsers.AbstractSAXParser.parse(Unknown 
Source)
   at 
org.apache.xerces.jaxp.SAXParserImpl$JAXPSAXParser.parse(Unknown Source)

   at org.apache.commons.digester.Digester.parse(Digester.java:1765)
   at 
org.apache.struts.action.ActionServlet.initServlet(ActionServlet.java:1144) 

   at 
org.apache.struts.action.ActionServlet.init(ActionServlet.java:328)
   at 
org.apache.webapp.admin.ApplicationServlet.init(ApplicationServlet.java:101) 


   at javax.servlet.GenericServlet.init(GenericServlet.java:212)
   at 
org.apache.catalina.core.StandardWrapper.loadServlet(StandardWrapper.java:1139) 

   at 
org.apache.catalina.core.StandardWrapper.allocate(StandardWrapper.java:791) 

   at 
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.invoke(ApplicationDispatcher.java:648) 

   at 
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.doInclude(ApplicationDispatcher.java:548) 

   at 
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.include(ApplicationDispatcher.java:497) 


   at admin.login_jsp._jspService(login_jsp.java:66)
   at 
org.apache.jasper.runtime.HttpJspBase.service(HttpJspBase.java:98)

   at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:729)
   at 
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:269) 

   at 
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:188) 

   at 
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.invoke(ApplicationDispatcher.java:679) 

   at 
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.processRequest(ApplicationDispatcher.java:461) 

   at 
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.doForward(ApplicationDispatcher.java:399) 

   at 
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.forward(ApplicationDispatcher.java:301) 

   at 
org.apache.catalina.authenticator.FormAuthenticator.forwardToLoginPage(FormAuthenticator.java

Re: can openoffice writer support/view .docx file?

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 08:44 -0800, Wayne Feick wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 16:25 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: 
> > On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:19:49 +0100
> > Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > 
> > > > can openoffice writer support/view .docx file?
> > > 
> > > In 3.0 it can, so this should work in Fedora 10.
> > 
> > Someone emailed me a docx file yesterday  and I opened it using Fedora 10
> > OpenOffice with no problems at all.

> 
> I've found that some stuff renders fine, and other stuff doesn't. I
> wouldn't call it 100% yet.

heck - just the other day, I had a Macintosh version of Microsoft Office
toss errors opening an xlsx file from a Windows system.

There are still a lot of kinks in their format.

Craig

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Re: IMAP and SMTP port redirect

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Arun Shrimali  wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I have some network related problem.
>
> I have network as follows :
>
> LAN (172.16.251.0/255.255.255.0 ) ---> Linux server (fedora 6, eth1
> 172.16.251.234, eth2 172.16.250.246, gw 172.16.250.245) <--NAT on
> router--> router (172.16.250.245)---> internet
>
> In LAN, PCs are not routed through gateway, because of security, I use
> squid for HTTP proxy using NCSA authentication.
> Now, I need configure Linux server to REDIRECT 143 port and 25 to wan.
>
> I would like to set LAN-PCs email clients imap server as:
> 172.16.251.234, when email client would like to download mail, he
> asked 172.16.251.234:143 and 172.16.251.234 will send packets to
> remote imap server (everyone in LAN use same imap).
> For smtp is the same case.
>
> Please, advice me, how to set iptables chains on linux machine.
>
> I have google a lot, but lot has confused me a lot
>
> Can anyone provide me a simple solution.
>
> Thank you very much and regards


I am in a bit of a rush right now, and don't have exact instructions,
but what you want to Google up is port forwarding. You can find some
fairly simple docs on that, i suggest the following search term:
"iptables port forwarding" You will probably need to do "masquerading"
as well.


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Re: can openoffice writer support/view .docx file?

[Wayne Feick]

On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 16:25 -0600, Frank Cox wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:19:49 +0100
> Kevin Kofler wrote:
> 
> > > can openoffice writer support/view .docx file?
> > 
> > In 3.0 it can, so this should work in Fedora 10.
> 
> Someone emailed me a docx file yesterday  and I opened it using Fedora 10
> OpenOffice with no problems at all.
> 
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I've found that some stuff renders fine, and other stuff doesn't. I
wouldn't call it 100% yet.


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Re: Dependencies for fglrx drivers

[suvayu ali]

2009/1/15 Anne Wilson :
> On Thursday 15 January 2009 01:22:53 Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
>> Rather then "someone thinking they know better than you do how you
>> should use your computer", I think it is the case that most people
>> are not going to need it, so it is not on the DVD. If you need it,
>> you can use yum to install it. I have not needed it on any of my
>> machines.
>>
>> I keep hearing complaints like this from people that the defaults do
>> not work for, or that think the DVD should contain some other
>> programs, and not some of the ones that it does. While the balance
>> may not be perfect, I think it does a fairly good job of providing a
>> base install for most people. The default package choices don't
>> provide me with exactly what I want, but my preferences are a bit
>> different then the "average user". I don't expect the distribution
>> to match my needs "out of the box". I do expect to be able to
>> customise it for my needs. So far, Fedora takes the least amount of
>> customising.
>
> I think the big, insoluble problem here is that if you don't have a working
> display at all it can't possibly ask you whether you want to install s-c-d to
> fix it.  It's a catch22.  If you merely want to tweak a working one that's
> different, and there may be some way of reminding you that it's available.

Well in my case I didn't have any working display at all. I couldn't
even go into any of the virtual terminals. Had to reboot with
Ctrl+Alt+Del every time I tried to start X. However installing the
binary drivers solved all that. Things would have been simpler for me
if I had an internet connection of course. :)

>
> Anne
>

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Re: Tomcat Admin application

[Seann Clark]

M A Young wrote:

On Wed, 14 Jan 2009, Seann Clark wrote:

I don't know where I am missing something, and since this is a rather 
crash course in solving a problem with tomcat itself in my deployment 
(it rather likes to make everything go to http://localhost/ instead 
of http://www.tsukinoakge.net like it should) which I am looking for 
better insight into the server that is a little less cryptic than xml 
files scattered everywhere in the distribution, and me not having a 
clue where to look.


Do you have the tomcat5-admin-webapps package installed? I believe 
that is the one that provides the admin package, so is the first thing 
to check if you haven't already done so.


Michael Young


found some things that were missing:

in the /usr/share/tomcat5/server/webapps/admin/WEB-INF/lib directory:

symbolic links for these three included files (in the tar for the admin 
utility) weren't there:

commons-beanutils.jar
commons-digester-1.8.jar
commons-collections.jar

After going to the admin app once, I get a white page. After that is 
refreshed, I get this:



 HTTP Status 503 - Servlet admin.login_jsp is currently unavailable



*type* Status report

*message* _Servlet admin.login_jsp is currently unavailable_

*description* _The requested service (Servlet admin.login_jsp is 
currently unavailable) is not currently available._





 Apache Tomcat/5.5.27




in the log files I see this:

Jan 15, 2009 10:15:55 AM org.apache.commons.digester.Digester endElement
SEVERE: End event threw error
java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/commons/modeler/Registry
   at java.lang.Class.getDeclaredMethods0(Native Method)
   at java.lang.Class.privateGetDeclaredMethods(Class.java:2444)
   at java.lang.Class.getMethod0(Class.java:2687)
   at java.lang.Class.getMethod(Class.java:1620)
   at 
org.apache.commons.beanutils.MethodUtils.getMatchingAccessibleMethod(MethodUtils.java:535)
   at 
org.apache.commons.beanutils.MethodUtils.invokeMethod(MethodUtils.java:209)
   at 
org.apache.commons.digester.CallMethodRule.end(CallMethodRule.java:626)

   at org.apache.commons.digester.Rule.end(Rule.java:253)
   at 
org.apache.commons.digester.Digester.endElement(Digester.java:1222)
   at 
org.apache.xerces.parsers.AbstractSAXParser.endElement(Unknown Source)
   at 
org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLNSDocumentScannerImpl.scanEndElement(Unknown 
Source)
   at 
org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl$FragmentContentDispatcher.dispatch(Unknown 
Source)
   at 
org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.scanDocument(Unknown 
Source)
   at org.apache.xerces.parsers.XML11Configuration.parse(Unknown 
Source)
   at org.apache.xerces.parsers.XML11Configuration.parse(Unknown 
Source)

   at org.apache.xerces.parsers.XMLParser.parse(Unknown Source)
   at org.apache.xerces.parsers.AbstractSAXParser.parse(Unknown Source)
   at 
org.apache.xerces.jaxp.SAXParserImpl$JAXPSAXParser.parse(Unknown Source)

   at org.apache.commons.digester.Digester.parse(Digester.java:1765)
   at 
org.apache.struts.action.ActionServlet.initServlet(ActionServlet.java:1144)
   at 
org.apache.struts.action.ActionServlet.init(ActionServlet.java:328)
   at 
org.apache.webapp.admin.ApplicationServlet.init(ApplicationServlet.java:101)

   at javax.servlet.GenericServlet.init(GenericServlet.java:212)
   at 
org.apache.catalina.core.StandardWrapper.loadServlet(StandardWrapper.java:1139)
   at 
org.apache.catalina.core.StandardWrapper.allocate(StandardWrapper.java:791)
   at 
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.invoke(ApplicationDispatcher.java:648)
   at 
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.doInclude(ApplicationDispatcher.java:548)
   at 
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.include(ApplicationDispatcher.java:497)

   at admin.login_jsp._jspService(login_jsp.java:66)
   at 
org.apache.jasper.runtime.HttpJspBase.service(HttpJspBase.java:98)

   at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:729)
   at 
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:269)
   at 
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:188)
   at 
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.invoke(ApplicationDispatcher.java:679)
   at 
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.processRequest(ApplicationDispatcher.java:461)
   at 
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.doForward(ApplicationDispatcher.java:399)
   at 
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.forward(ApplicationDispatcher.java:301)
   at 
org.apache.catalina.authenticator.FormAuthenticator.forwardToLoginPage(FormAuthenticator.java:316)
   at 
org.apache.catalina.authenticator.

Re: mount question

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 14:33 +, Steve wrote:
>  Craig White  wrote: 
> > On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 14:31 -0500, Steve wrote:
> > >  Craig White  wrote: 
> > > > On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 16:23 +, Steve wrote:
> > > > > If I let HAL & friends automagically mount my Windows partition mount 
> > > > > reports this: 
> > > > >  
> > > > > # mount 
> > > > > ... 
> > > > > /dev/sdb1 on /media/disk type fuseblk 
> > > > > (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096) 
> > > > >  
> > > > > The problem is that I want this partition mounted on /mnt/c_drive not 
> > > > > /media/disk so I tried to add a line to /etc/fstab as follows: 
> > > > >  
> > > > > /dev/sdb1/mnt/c_drive   fuse
> > > > > rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096
> > > > > 0 0 
> > > > >  
> > > > > (I started with a type of fuseblk instead of fuse but that didn't 
> > > > > work at all 
> > > > > and note that fuse is not documented in the mount man page) 
> > > > >  
> > > > > but then as root 
> > > > > # mount /dev/sdb1 
> > > > > /bin/sh: /dev/sdb1: Permission denied 
> > > > >  
> > > > > # ls -l /dev/sdb1 
> > > > > brw-r- 1 root disk 8, 17 2009-01-12 13:24 /dev/sdb1 
> > > > >  
> > > > > It's not a selinux problem because I'm running in permissive mode: 
> > > > > # sestatus 
> > > > > SELinux status: enabled 
> > > > > SELinuxfs mount:/selinux 
> > > > > Current mode:   permissive 
> > > > > Mode from config file:  permissive 
> > > > > Policy version: 23 
> > > > > Policy from config file:targeted 
> > > > >  
> > > > > This is on an F8 system and I'm trying to get my backup to work so I 
> > > > > can upgrade 
> > > > > to F9. 
> > > > >  
> > > > > What am I doing wrong here? 
> > > > 
> > > > perhaps you are just trying to use too much muscle
> > > 
> > > Perhaps I am but personally I don't consider editing /etc/fstab to be 
> > > heavy lifting.
> > > 
> > > > why not just let it mount like it does and use a bind mount elsewhere...
> > > > 
> > > > mount --bind /media/disk /mnt/c_drive
> > > 
> > > I've no doubt that this will work but there HAS to be a simple way to 
> > > mount a partition where I want directly. It juts seems so basic.
> > 
> > The problem you have is that you are starting with a swimming upstream
> > premise.
> > 
> > USB storage is considered 'removable storage' and thus is typically
> > handled by udev as user - which sort of makes sense if you stop to
> > consider it. The 'user' can mount/unmount removable storage devices at
> > any time.
> > 
> > /mnt was never intended to be for anything but permanently mounted
> > filesystems, i.e. not removable - no user action required or reasonably
> > permitted.
> > 
> > Now if this 'windows filesystem' (and you don't specify what kind it
> > is), is to be mounted by root at boot and remain mounted without any
> > user interaction at all, then by all means add it to /etc/fstab as vfat
> > (if it's vfat) or ntfs-3g (if it's ntfs and recognize that the ntfs-3g
> > automatically uses the fuse system for you).
> 
> Indeed it is a permanently mounted drive (internal IDE) and it has been 
> mounted on /mnt since before /media became popular.
> 
> I'll try changing the type from fuse to ntfs tonight and see what that does. 
> The error message of "permission denied" leads me to think that this will not 
> solve the problem but hey, I've been wrong before...1982 I think it was... ;-D
> 
> I have to say though that I am really suprised that nobody on this list can 
> give a simple answer to the seemingly simple question of "how do I change the 
> mount point of a hard drive".

Say what? Linux didn't have the ability to read/write to ntfs
filesystems before udev so there's something wrong with your premise.

Craig

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Re: mount question

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Steve wrote:
> 
> Indeed it is a permanently mounted drive (internal IDE) and it
> has been mounted on /mnt since before /media became popular.
> 
> I'll try changing the type from fuse to ntfs tonight and see what
> that does. The error message of "permission denied" leads me to
> think that this will not solve the problem but hey, I've been wrong
> before...1982 I think it was... ;-D
> 
> I have to say though that I am really suprised that nobody on this
> list can give a simple answer to the seemingly simple question of
> "how do I change the mount point of a hard drive".
> 
> Steve.
> 
Maybe it is more of a problem with the subject that you used?
Something on the order of:

/dev/sdb1 /mnt/c_drive ntfs-3g  0 0

It worked fine for me in F8 for mounting a NTFS partition.
(Different names...)

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Re: Fedora 10 unable to mount usb drives after update

[jack wallen]

Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:


I have run into this where there was not enough power at the port,
or when the USB drive has not spun up yet. You can try plugging the
drive into a different port and see if that helps.

  
i've plugged into all usb ports, even through a powered usb hub. now i 
am starting to think the usb is going bad on the machine. looking for a 
means to test this - anyone have any suggestions?


thanks all!

jack

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Re: Cursor Jumping?

[das]

Dear Cummings

Thank you for the suggestion. The problem of cursor jumping got solved
by making the touchpad off. I got a good script from
http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/archives/2006-02/000651.html.

But the question still remains that for quite some time the problem
was gone, why it returned after the last update? Are they related?

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Re: No system-config-display, so what now?

[Aaron Konstam]

On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 19:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Timothy Murphy wrote:
> > Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > 
> >> Timothy Murphy wrote:
> >>> If in fact X can be set up automatically,
> >>> then presumably xorg.conf can be written automatically.
> >> That's what X -configure is for.
> > 
> > If you have to run X -configure 
> > (what exactly do you mean by this?)
> 
> It is a command.
Isn't the command: Xorg -configure
> 
> > then it is not automatic.
> 
> Correct. You do it only when you need to.
> 
> > But my only point is that I don't understand the philosophy
> > behind doing away with xorg.conf ,
> > and then saying, "Well, you might need it,
> > in which case there are various (unspecified) progams you can run."
> > 
> > Surely it would be simpler just to write xorg.conf in all cases?
> 
> It is not. You cannot rely on a static xorg.conf since the hardware can 
> be switched (think new monitor on a desktop for instance) and writing it 
> everytime slows down your display startup and doesn't work well in other 
> instances (think LTSP). In general, you should avoid writes unless 
> absolutely necessary since a hard disk is usually the slowest part of 
> your system.
> 
> Rahul
> 
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Re: Fedora 10 unable to mount usb drives after update

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

jack wallen wrote:
> After an update (fedora 10) none of my USB devices are recognized. This
> is what i get from dmesg:
> 
> Jan 14 17:17:13 localhost kernel: usb 1-7: new full speed USB device
> using ohci_hcd and address 20
> Jan 14 17:17:13 localhost kernel: usb 1-7: device descriptor read/64,
> error -62
> Jan 14 17:17:14 localhost kernel: usb 1-7: device descriptor read/64,
> error -62
> Jan 14 17:17:14 localhost kernel: usb 1-7: new full speed USB device
> using ohci_hcd and address 21
> Jan 14 17:17:14 localhost kernel: usb 1-7: device descriptor read/64,
> error -62
> Jan 14 17:17:14 localhost kernel: usb 1-7: device descriptor read/64,
> error -62
> Jan 14 17:17:15 localhost kernel: usb 1-7: new full speed USB device
> using ohci_hcd and address 22
> Jan 14 17:17:15 localhost kernel: usb 1-7: device not accepting address
> 22, error -62
> Jan 14 17:17:15 localhost kernel: usb 1-7: new full speed USB device
> using ohci_hcd and address 23
> Jan 14 17:17:16 localhost kernel: usb 1-7: device not accepting address
> 23, error -62
> Jan 14 17:17:16 localhost kernel: hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB
> device on port 7
> 
> I think this is a kernel issue. I updated to a kmod kernel because I
> have an NVidia graphics card.
> 
> I have googled the issue but am only finding instances where this causes
> issue with booting but not an inability to mount usb devices. 
> 
> Can anyone shed any light on this issue?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> jack
> 
I have run into this where there was not enough power at the port,
or when the USB drive has not spun up yet. You can try plugging the
drive into a different port and see if that helps.

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Re: No system-config-display, so what now?

[Rahul Sundaram]

Paulo Cavalcanti wrote:


Sorry, Rahul

but in the past, when a new hardware was installed, the xorg.conf was 
renamed,
and a new one was created automatically. Now, if you happen to have an 
xorg.conf,

and change the hardware, X simply does not start, because it tries to use
the wrong xorg.conf.


Xorg doesn't overwrite files by itself afaik and I don't know how that 
happened. Do you have a bug report filed?


Rahul


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Re: Fedora 10 unable to mount usb drives after update

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

jack wallen wrote:
> a little more info. after poking around i find that usb-core is not
> loading. i try to run insmod usb-core and i get:
> 
> insmod: can't read 'usb-core': No such file or directory
> 
> i try:
> 
> insmod kmod-usb-core and i get the same error.
> 
> if i do lsmod i see 
> usb_storage86408  0 
> 
> but no core module. 
> 
> is the usb_storage module the only module needed for this?
> 
> thanks for any help on this issue.
> 
You should use modprobe instead of insmod. Insmod needs the full
pathname to the module, and you have to take care of loading any
modules that are required for the proper operation of the module
yourself. Modprobe will take care of that for you, as well as
knowing the path to the standard kernel modules.

It will have problems if you compile your own module, and do not
install them in the modules directory, and have not run depmod after
doing this.

Mikkel
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Re: mount question

[Steve]

 Craig White  wrote: 
> On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 14:31 -0500, Steve wrote:
> >  Craig White  wrote: 
> > > On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 16:23 +, Steve wrote:
> > > > If I let HAL & friends automagically mount my Windows partition mount 
> > > > reports this: 
> > > >  
> > > > # mount 
> > > > ... 
> > > > /dev/sdb1 on /media/disk type fuseblk 
> > > > (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096) 
> > > >  
> > > > The problem is that I want this partition mounted on /mnt/c_drive not 
> > > > /media/disk so I tried to add a line to /etc/fstab as follows: 
> > > >  
> > > > /dev/sdb1/mnt/c_drive   fuse
> > > > rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096
> > > > 0 0 
> > > >  
> > > > (I started with a type of fuseblk instead of fuse but that didn't work 
> > > > at all 
> > > > and note that fuse is not documented in the mount man page) 
> > > >  
> > > > but then as root 
> > > > # mount /dev/sdb1 
> > > > /bin/sh: /dev/sdb1: Permission denied 
> > > >  
> > > > # ls -l /dev/sdb1 
> > > > brw-r- 1 root disk 8, 17 2009-01-12 13:24 /dev/sdb1 
> > > >  
> > > > It's not a selinux problem because I'm running in permissive mode: 
> > > > # sestatus 
> > > > SELinux status: enabled 
> > > > SELinuxfs mount:/selinux 
> > > > Current mode:   permissive 
> > > > Mode from config file:  permissive 
> > > > Policy version: 23 
> > > > Policy from config file:targeted 
> > > >  
> > > > This is on an F8 system and I'm trying to get my backup to work so I 
> > > > can upgrade 
> > > > to F9. 
> > > >  
> > > > What am I doing wrong here? 
> > > 
> > > perhaps you are just trying to use too much muscle
> > 
> > Perhaps I am but personally I don't consider editing /etc/fstab to be heavy 
> > lifting.
> > 
> > > why not just let it mount like it does and use a bind mount elsewhere...
> > > 
> > > mount --bind /media/disk /mnt/c_drive
> > 
> > I've no doubt that this will work but there HAS to be a simple way to mount 
> > a partition where I want directly. It juts seems so basic.
> 
> The problem you have is that you are starting with a swimming upstream
> premise.
> 
> USB storage is considered 'removable storage' and thus is typically
> handled by udev as user - which sort of makes sense if you stop to
> consider it. The 'user' can mount/unmount removable storage devices at
> any time.
> 
> /mnt was never intended to be for anything but permanently mounted
> filesystems, i.e. not removable - no user action required or reasonably
> permitted.
> 
> Now if this 'windows filesystem' (and you don't specify what kind it
> is), is to be mounted by root at boot and remain mounted without any
> user interaction at all, then by all means add it to /etc/fstab as vfat
> (if it's vfat) or ntfs-3g (if it's ntfs and recognize that the ntfs-3g
> automatically uses the fuse system for you).

Indeed it is a permanently mounted drive (internal IDE) and it has been mounted 
on /mnt since before /media became popular.

I'll try changing the type from fuse to ntfs tonight and see what that does. 
The error message of "permission denied" leads me to think that this will not 
solve the problem but hey, I've been wrong before...1982 I think it was... ;-D

I have to say though that I am really suprised that nobody on this list can 
give a simple answer to the seemingly simple question of "how do I change the 
mount point of a hard drive".

Steve.

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Re: Your favorite CMS running docs.fedoraproject.org?

[Mark Haney]

Rex Dieter wrote:
> Operator (postnuke.tv) wrote:
> 
>> The Zikula project might be very interested... You could have Zikula
>> deployed with the project's help and support?
>> Moreover, at some point in the near future, we'd like to be providing
>> a Fedora RPM for the FC distrib.
> 
> The latter, being packaged and included in fedora, is pretty much a
> prerequisite for consideration, so... the sooner the better.
> 
> -- Rex
> 

I don't want to start a flame war, but I tried Zikula and it's utter and
complete PITA to configure and get working on Fedora.  I never did get
it working, and their support community was not only NOT helpful, but
belligerently so in the case of n00bs to the software as I was.  I'm not
a n00b to CMS's, since our website runs on Joomla and ravencore, but I
was to that package.

Just my 2 cents.


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Re: Your favorite CMS running docs.fedoraproject.org?

[Rex Dieter]

Operator (postnuke.tv) wrote:

> The Zikula project might be very interested... You could have Zikula
> deployed with the project's help and support?
> Moreover, at some point in the near future, we'd like to be providing
> a Fedora RPM for the FC distrib.

The latter, being packaged and included in fedora, is pretty much a
prerequisite for consideration, so... the sooner the better.

-- Rex

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Re: No system-config-display, so what now?

[Paulo Cavalcanti]

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Rahul Sundaram  wrote:

> Timothy Murphy wrote:
>
>> Kevin Kofler wrote:
>>
>>  Timothy Murphy wrote:
>>>
 If in fact X can be set up automatically,
 then presumably xorg.conf can be written automatically.

>>> That's what X -configure is for.
>>>
>>
>> If you have to run X -configure (what exactly do you mean by this?)
>>
>
> It is a command.
>
>  then it is not automatic.
>>
>
> Correct. You do it only when you need to.
>
>  But my only point is that I don't understand the philosophy
>> behind doing away with xorg.conf ,
>> and then saying, "Well, you might need it,
>> in which case there are various (unspecified) progams you can run."
>>
>> Surely it would be simpler just to write xorg.conf in all cases?
>>
>
> It is not. You cannot rely on a static xorg.conf since the hardware can be
> switched (think new monitor on a desktop for instance) and writing it
> everytime slows down your display startup and doesn't work well in other
> instances (think LTSP). In general, you should avoid writes unless
> absolutely necessary since a hard disk is usually the slowest part of your
> system.
>
>
Sorry, Rahul

but in the past, when a new hardware was installed, the xorg.conf was
renamed,
and a new one was created automatically. Now, if you happen to have an
xorg.conf,
and change the hardware, X simply does not start, because it tries to use
the wrong xorg.conf.

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Re: debuginfo-install failing for libtdb - just me ?

[Rahul Sundaram]

David Timms wrote:

trying to debug a segfault in firefox, and gdb suggests:
debuginfo-install libtdb-1.1.1-25.fc10.i386

trying to run that command gives:
Could not find debuginfo for main pkg: libtdb-1.1.1-25.fc10.i386

I can see from rpm -q --info libtdb that it comes from the samba package.

Should this work, or will I report a bug ?


File it.

Rahul

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Re: No system-config-display, so what now?

[Rahul Sundaram]

Timothy Murphy wrote:

Kevin Kofler wrote:


Timothy Murphy wrote:

If in fact X can be set up automatically,
then presumably xorg.conf can be written automatically.

That's what X -configure is for.


If you have to run X -configure 
(what exactly do you mean by this?)


It is a command.


then it is not automatic.


Correct. You do it only when you need to.


But my only point is that I don't understand the philosophy
behind doing away with xorg.conf ,
and then saying, "Well, you might need it,
in which case there are various (unspecified) progams you can run."

Surely it would be simpler just to write xorg.conf in all cases?


It is not. You cannot rely on a static xorg.conf since the hardware can 
be switched (think new monitor on a desktop for instance) and writing it 
everytime slows down your display startup and doesn't work well in other 
instances (think LTSP). In general, you should avoid writes unless 
absolutely necessary since a hard disk is usually the slowest part of 
your system.


Rahul

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Re: No system-config-display, so what now?

[Rahul Sundaram]

Bill Davidsen wrote:



The underlying issue is that no one can write software to automate 
correct handling of (a) hardware which hasn't been created when you 
write the software or (b) people who want something you wouldn't have 
picked as the default.




A) is not correct. Modern hardware in most cases can return the right 
information during autoprobing following standard interfaces for doing so.


B) is only partially correct since in many cases, the system has 
multiple users with per user settings that are different from each other.


Rahul


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Re: No system-config-display, so what now?

[Timothy Murphy]

Kevin Kofler wrote:

> Timothy Murphy wrote:
>> If in fact X can be set up automatically,
>> then presumably xorg.conf can be written automatically.
> 
> That's what X -configure is for.

If you have to run X -configure 
(what exactly do you mean by this?)
then it is not automatic.

But my only point is that I don't understand the philosophy
behind doing away with xorg.conf ,
and then saying, "Well, you might need it,
in which case there are various (unspecified) progams you can run."

Surely it would be simpler just to write xorg.conf in all cases?



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Re: Dependencies for fglrx drivers

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 15 January 2009 01:22:53 Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> Rather then "someone thinking they know better than you do how you
> should use your computer", I think it is the case that most people
> are not going to need it, so it is not on the DVD. If you need it,
> you can use yum to install it. I have not needed it on any of my
> machines.
>
> I keep hearing complaints like this from people that the defaults do
> not work for, or that think the DVD should contain some other
> programs, and not some of the ones that it does. While the balance
> may not be perfect, I think it does a fairly good job of providing a
> base install for most people. The default package choices don't
> provide me with exactly what I want, but my preferences are a bit
> different then the "average user". I don't expect the distribution
> to match my needs "out of the box". I do expect to be able to
> customise it for my needs. So far, Fedora takes the least amount of
> customising.

I think the big, insoluble problem here is that if you don't have a working 
display at all it can't possibly ask you whether you want to install s-c-d to 
fix it.  It's a catch22.  If you merely want to tweak a working one that's 
different, and there may be some way of reminding you that it's available.

Anne


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