Re: Booting a gazillion linuxes?

[Richard W.M. Jones]

On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 04:46:38PM -0500, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:24:45 +
> Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> 
> > Is there a reason you want to chainload them (except for Windows of
> > course)?
> 
> I don't care about chainloading so much, but I want them all to
> have independently owned and operated /boot partitions so I don't
> have to fool with manually fiddling with the entries in a shared
> /boot partition after updates and wot-not.
> 
> >From what I'm reading I can't have a /boot partition in an LVM,
> so I can't have enough "real" boot partitions to pair with my
> LVM roots (you can put a lot of roots on a 500GB drive :-).
> 
> I'd be happy to be mistaken about all that though.

You can't have a boot partition on LVM, _but_ you can share a single
boot partition between [certainly Fedora, RHEL and CentOS] guests.
You have to manually aggregate your grub.conf file, and make sure it
is saved somewhere else between each install (because installs
overwrite grub.conf), but other than there is no problem.

In fact, if only there was a "grub.conf.d", you wouldn't even have to
do that ...  An idea for Anaconda perhaps ...

You also have to make sure your /boot partition is large enough, given
that it will be holding 6x its normal number of kernels.  This is how
I have set up several machines, and it works fine.

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Re: harware raid and fedora 10

[François Patte]

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Marc Wilson a écrit :
> On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 08:59:24AM +0100, François Patte wrote:
>> I would like to install f10 with hardware raid on two HD.
>>
>> I selected the adhoc options in my bios and the two HD are recognised as 
>> one volume by the BIOS but, when I start the f10 installation I can see 2 
>> different HD (sda and sdb)
> 
> See bug # 468649 and the solution/workaround posted there.
> 

Thank you for this, but I am not enough skillfull with all this to be
able to fix the problem.

I tried another way: install f9 (it works) then use preupgrade but it
failed because preupgrade uses anaconda

So I will stay with f9! Hoping that this bug will be fixed sometimes.

Remark: this bug has priority "medium"! This quite strange because many
servers use hardware raid for security reasons.

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Re: Something Broke My Grub

[Dave Cross]

2009/3/4 Michael Schwendt :
> On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 19:20:50 +, Dave wrote:
>
>> An hour ago I had a fully functioning machine. Now I just get the word
>> "GRUB" in the top left of the screen. Something has gone wrong in the
>> last hour or so.
>
> Has happened to many people before:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/450143
>
>> Here's what I did.
>
> You installed a "kernel" update, which runs /sbin/new-kernel-pkg
> which in turn reinstalls GRUB via grubby. The kernel package is
> not the culprit, however. Something at run-time has changed your
> system environment in a way that confused the GRUB installation.
> How exactly remains to be found out.
>
>> Has anyone else seen anything like this? And, more importantly, does
>> anyone have any suggestions of ways to fix it?
>
> You need to reinstall GRUB just once more. Use rescue mode,
> for example. I think above bz ticket gives hints.

Thanks for the help. Running "grub-install /dev/sda" seems to have
fixed the problem.

Cheers,

Dave...

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Re: [OT] Free download of Linux Fromat for 24 hours

[Jay Mistry]

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:12 AM, Steve Searle  wrote:
> http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only
>
> Steve

They also have a "Linux Starter pack" (Beginner's guide to setting-up
& using Ubuntu Linux, 130 pg PDF) for download-
http://www.tuxradar.com/linuxstarterpack, at the companion website
http://www.tuxradar.com/. That one does not have a d/l time limit.

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Re: How to re-lock ssh private key?

[Gordon Messmer]

Todd Zullinger wrote:


I do appreciate the efforts of the gnome keyring folks, but the
documentation is sorely lacking, and having undocumented magic in the
area of crypto key handling is not something that gives me warm
fuzzies.


I believe the documentation wasn't written because services were 
intended to be identical to ssh-agent.  The "ssh-add" tool can still be 
used to add and remove identities, and has its own man page.


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Re: How to re-lock ssh private key?

[Gordon Messmer]

Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:


Another thing that appears not to work with the gnome version of the
ssh-agent is "ssh-add -d" or "ssh-add -D".  Not good.


I think you're confused by the fact that the identities are still listed 
by "ssh-add -l".  They're certainly deactivated and require a passphrase 
in order to be used again (tested in GNOME 2.24).


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Re: [OT] Free download of Linux Fromat for 24 hours

[Jake Peavy]

On 3/3/09, Steve Searle  wrote:
>
> http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only
>

Dammit!  Missed it.

Does anyone have a copy they can email me?  The site says we can share with
friends ;-)

TIA

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Re: Strange Thunderbird IMAP problem

[Kevin Kofler]

John Thompson wrote:
> Another, perhaps related anomaly on the Fedora machine: xterm no longer
> accepts input from the keyboard. Gnome Terminal works fine. Konsole
> works fine. XFCE Terminal works fine. aterm works fine. xterm doesn't. I
> recompiled xterm from sources and reinstalled it. Still no joy.
> Everything other terminal program I try works; xterm doesn't. This
> again is new behavior since rebooting after Fedora's updates this
> morning.

Broken libgxim, an update has already been pushed to fix that.

Kevin Kofler

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Re: FC10, Virtualization , Windows XP

[Kevin Kofler]

Michael Eager wrote:
> Actually, it turns out that the software virtualization is
> just as fast as the hardware virtualization, perhaps even
> faster.  Lots of reasons, but one is that once the VM software
> rewrites a section of priviledged code, it never touches
> it again.  With the hardware virtualization support, the VM
> interprets it every time it is executed.

For VMware that may be true, but kqemu's (the QEMU software virtualization
accelerator) performance is less than stellar, KVM (hardware
virtualization) is probably a lot faster (though I haven't done any direct
comparison myself yet).

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Re: [OT] Free download of Linux Fromat for 24 hours

[Kevin Kofler]

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> A word on terminology: BT clients (and torrent sites) talk about Seeders
> and Leechers. The only difference between the two is that Leechers are
> still downloading part of the torrent, while Seeders have finished
> downloading. Both types are uploading.

Sometimes "leecher" is also used to refer to a pure leecher who does not
upload anything. Sadly, the terminology is not completely unambiguous.

Of course, a pure leecher will get throttled to bad download rates, both as
a kind of sanction for uncooperativeness and for practical reasons (it's
more useful to use one's limited bandwidth to push bits to someone likely
to redistribute them to many more members of the swarm than to a dead end
where they'll only benefit a single person). When you have the choice,
BitTorrent is not a good protocol to use if you only want to leech without
uploading, e.g. if you are behind a firewall which only allows you to
download and not upload.

Kevin Kofler

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Re: Dual boot WinXP repair (maybe a little OT)

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 02:06 +, Dave Bolt IT Solutions wrote:
> Well, I can't help much with the repair at this point, but I wander why you 
> moved the XP partition.

As I said elsewhere, I did it without thinking, from the days when /boot
needed to be in the first 1024 cylinders on the disk.  The WinXP
partition is pretty big.

> When I first installed Fedora (core 8), I first installed XP since Microsoft 
> don't like to share with other OS's, into a partition at the beginning of 
> the first drive, leaving a second partition to be used mostly for storage. I 
> then installed Fedora (in my case on a second drive), and used the Fedora 
> installar's recomendations of where to put it's boot sector and whatever 
> else, and it just took care of the details.
> Now, in your case, XP has been installed as the first partition on the 
> drive, then moved. Unfortunately, I think you will find that if you do get 
> XP to boot, it will still think it is on the first partition, so will not 
> run very well, if at all.
> Reinstalling over XP may fix this without loosing most of the install, 
> although I think wiping and starting again will actually take less time. 
> (The repair install tends to check each file that is already on the drive, 
> instead of just writing new files, as far as I can tell).

I'm thinking of jiggering the partitions to put WinXP first again
and /boot second.  I know how to fix the Linux side when I do that, so
maybe putting WinXP back will help.  I'd rather not re-install because I
installed a bunch of stuff on Win before I did this, so it would be
annoying (not to say awful) to have to do that all over again.


> Regards
> Dave 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: FC10, Virtualization , Windows XP

[Michael Eager]

Tom Horsley wrote:

On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:09:04 -0500
Jim wrote:


FC 10/KDE
what is the best Virtualization program for FC10, to run Windows XP in.
I understand because my AMD Athlon doesn't have a "svm" feature I can't 
run KVM, and VM Ware is slow ?


Anything you use will be slow without the hardware virtualization
support - they all have the same problem.


Actually, it turns out that the software virtualization is
just as fast as the hardware virtualization, perhaps even
faster.  Lots of reasons, but one is that once the VM software
rewrites a section of priviledged code, it never touches
it again.  With the hardware virtualization support, the VM
interprets it every time it is executed.

I use VMware for WinXP.  It runs reasonably fast.

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Re: Dual monitors KDE 4.2 - no panel, no keyboard focus

[Michael Eager]

Ron Siven wrote:



On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Michael Eager > wrote:


Michael Eager wrote:

Hi --

I have dual monitors using Nvidia Twinview.  I
have both displays working.  The primary display has
the panel, plasmoids, etc.  It seems to work OK.

The secondary display only shows wallpaper.  Mouse
clicks on the screen are ignored.

I can start a program on the second display by running
a command in the primary display: "DISPLAY=:0.1 konsole"
but this screen does not take keyboard focus.  Doing
the same with konqueror, the mouse works, but again
the keyboard is inactive.  Neither of these windows has
taskbars at the top, so they cannot be moved.

Running GNOME, the dual display works OK, with both
screens active.


One correction:  I'm not running Twinview.  When I
turn on Twinview in the nvidia-settings applet, I
get a single X window over both monitors.  I want
independent X sessions on each monitor.

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Have you seen this information?  It helped me.  
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2#xorg.conf


Thanks.  I'll take a look at it.

At first glance looks like it creates a single virtual screen
running on two screens.  That's what I have now with twinview.
I want independent screens running on each display.

But I'll give xrandr a shot.  What can it do other than
screw up my X config.  As if that hasn't happened before.


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Re: Strange Thunderbird IMAP problem

[John Thompson]

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Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

> On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 16:09 -0600, John Thompson wrote:
>> I can send mail from the desktop machine via gmail's smtp service, but
>> copying the sent message to the IMAP folder fails, because the
>> connection cannot be established.
> 
> Not really an answer to your question, but you should note that it's not
> recommended practice to keep your Sent folder on Gmail, given that Gmail
> is already storing it (in "Gmail/Sent Mail") when it receives your SMTP,
> i.e. you're sending it twice to no purpose.

Point taken, but as you note, not really relevant to the issue at hand.

Following up on my own post -- I did the obvious and rebooted using the
old kernel. No joy, the problem is still there, so it's not the kernel.

My other IMAP account works fine with thunderbird. The only difference
between gmail's IMAP and the other account is that gmail uses SSL while
the other account uses TLS. Both accounts still work fine from my
laptop, and are, as you surely recall, configured identically to the
Fedora machine.

Another, perhaps related anomaly on the Fedora machine: xterm no longer
accepts input from the keyboard. Gnome Terminal works fine. Konsole
works fine. XFCE Terminal works fine. aterm works fine. xterm doesn't. I
recompiled xterm from sources and reinstalled it. Still no joy.
Everything other terminal program I try works; xterm doesn't. This
again is new behavior since rebooting after Fedora's updates this
morning.


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Re: kmod-nvidia is missing for kernel 2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10

[Michael Eager]

Linuxguy123 wrote:

The kmod-nvidia package is missing for kernel 2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.

Yes, I know it is based on proprietary code. Lets not get into that.
Its still missing.

I make this post in case the powers that be don't realize its missing.

Thanks for listening. 


I also did not find it when I did "yum update" or "yum search".

I downloaded the source package from nvidia.com
and ran the script.  It built kmod-nvidia and installed.
Everything works fine.


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Re: F10: system-config-services - hangs?

[Sam Varshavchik]

Daniel B. Thurman writes:



For some reason or another, I cannot seem to get system-config-services
to work.  It chugs along with the greyed-out (inaccessable) list and then
simply hangs.  Killing this app leaves a process around unless killed.

Works fine with F9, but avoiding certain services that causes hangs
but I am not sure what services on F10 would hang this app.

Has this worked for anyone else or is there some services I need to
be aware of that are known to cause hangs of the system-config-services?


system-config-services works for me. It does take quite a few seconds to 
come up and plow through the list.


When it's hanging, attach strace to it and see what the process is doing.




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Re: [OT] Free download of Linux Fromat for 24 hours

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 01:51 +, Dave Bolt IT Solutions wrote:
> >
> > I'll have to look further into this. It appears that I'm downloading using
> > torrent, but not giving anything back (seeding).
> >
> > Nigel.
> >
> >From what I've seen, you have to complete downloading a file before it will 
> start seeding. At least that's what happened when I downloaded some iso 
> images recently.

Both Ktorrent and Qbittorrent can upload parts of a torrent without
waiting for all of it to download, which is fairlt important to how BT
works. If your client isn't doing this then check the settings. You may
be limiting it for bandwidth reasons.

A word on terminology: BT clients (and torrent sites) talk about Seeders
and Leechers. The only difference between the two is that Leechers are
still downloading part of the torrent, while Seeders have finished
downloading. Both types are uploading.

poc

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F10: system-config-services - hangs?

[Daniel B. Thurman]

For some reason or another, I cannot seem to get system-config-services
to work.  It chugs along with the greyed-out (inaccessable) list and then
simply hangs.  Killing this app leaves a process around unless killed.

Works fine with F9, but avoiding certain services that causes hangs
but I am not sure what services on F10 would hang this app.

Has this worked for anyone else or is there some services I need to
be aware of that are known to cause hangs of the system-config-services?

Thanks!
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Re: Booting a gazillion linuxes?

[Carroll Grigsby]

On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:46:38 -0500
Tom Horsley  wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:24:45 +
> Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> 
> > Is there a reason you want to chainload them (except for Windows of
> > course)?
> 
> I don't care about chainloading so much, but I want them all to
> have independently owned and operated /boot partitions so I don't
> have to fool with manually fiddling with the entries in a shared
> /boot partition after updates and wot-not.
> 
> >From what I'm reading I can't have a /boot partition in an LVM,
> so I can't have enough "real" boot partitions to pair with my
> LVM roots (you can put a lot of roots on a 500GB drive :-).
> 
> I'd be happy to be mistaken about all that though.
> 

Tom:
You've set your goals way too low. Here's a guy who has (or had) 145
different operating systems (some DOS, some Windows, Solaris, BSD and
lots of Linuxes) on one PC:
http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=147959
(Warning: This links to a topic that is a goes on for 132 posts
over two years. And, no, I haven't read them all.)

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Re: Something is Fishy About My Network

[Kevin J. Cummings]

Marc Ferguson wrote:

Hi,

I'm running Fedora 10 x86_64 and I really think something is odd about 
my ability to network and I think it's all pointing to DNS.  First, I've 
been running Linux (full time) for almost a year, but I am still a 
newb.  There are still some Windows concepts that I haven't been able to 
shake yet, so please be very simple yet thorough with your replies (I'd 
appreciate it).


Look at the guidelines link at the bottom of each email you receive.
It suggests that you don't post in HTML to this list.



So here's the meat of my cry-for-help caserole. 


* I'm having a problem pinging my hostname.  I'll ping it and
  127.0.0.1 is the resulting IP.


Look at your /etc/hosts file.  Odds are, your hostname is attached to 
your loopback device address.



* I see that my router has given my computer an IP address, but it
  doesn't have the hostname in its table.


That's the second half of the equation.  If you are getting an IP 
address from your router, your router probably has NO WAY to update 
whatever DNS is looking at, and it certainly can't update your 
/etc/hosts file for you.



* I can't ping, by host name, my computer from any other computer on
  the home network.


Because they have no way to know what address your router gave it or 
what name is associated with your computer's IP address.


So because of those issues, I can't properly network my linux box with 
other computers in my home network.  I just found out (from a friend) 
that I had an internal firewall turned on.  I didn't even realize that 
Fedora shipped with a firewall.  From my Windows-days, I've learned that 
software firewall causes too many headaches.  So; I disabled the 
firewall I discovered in Fedora.  Thanks for any feedback.


Bad idea unless you know what you are doing, but your firewall is not 
the problem here.



_*system-config-network 1.5.95*_
I'm not all that handy with command-line network configuring yet so I'm 
using the GUI program system-config-network.  In my DNS tab here are my 
settings:


* hostname: unicron.cybertron
* primary dns: 192.168.1.1 (router)
* secondary dns:
* tertiary dns:
* dns search path: unicron


These fields (except maybe the hostname) are all set by your DHCP server 
(in this case, your router).


Suggestion #1:  Use a static IP address in your network that your router 
will not allocate.  Then you can add it to each machine's /etc/hosts file.


Suggestion #2 (if you are up to it):  Disable DHCP serving in your 
router and setup a DHCP server on a Linux machine.  You can set up the 
dchp.conf file to do everything your touter is doing.  If this machine 
is also running DNS, there are some ways to get them to talk to each 
other so that DNS knows the names of machines served by the DHCP server.
This is not trivial, and requires in depth knowledge of both protocols 
to get to work right.  Possibly including depricated configuration options.


Suggestion #3 (the cheap way out):  Figure out what IP addresses are 
allocated by your router and manually add them to your machines 
/etc/hosts files.  If they change, you'll be responsible for keeping 
/etc/hosts up-to-date.


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Re: Dual boot WinXP repair (maybe a little OT)

[Dave Bolt IT Solutions]

Well, I can't help much with the repair at this point, but I wander why you 
moved the XP partition.
When I first installed Fedora (core 8), I first installed XP since Microsoft 
don't like to share with other OS's, into a partition at the beginning of 
the first drive, leaving a second partition to be used mostly for storage. I 
then installed Fedora (in my case on a second drive), and used the Fedora 
installar's recomendations of where to put it's boot sector and whatever 
else, and it just took care of the details.
Now, in your case, XP has been installed as the first partition on the 
drive, then moved. Unfortunately, I think you will find that if you do get 
XP to boot, it will still think it is on the first partition, so will not 
run very well, if at all.
Reinstalling over XP may fix this without loosing most of the install, 
although I think wiping and starting again will actually take less time. 
(The repair install tends to check each file that is already on the drive, 
instead of just writing new files, as far as I can tell).

Regards
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Something is Fishy About My Network

[Marc Ferguson]

Hi,

I'm running Fedora 10 x86_64 and I really think something is odd about my
ability to network and I think it's all pointing to DNS.  First, I've been
running Linux (full time) for almost a year, but I am still a newb.  There
are still some Windows concepts that I haven't been able to shake yet, so
please be very simple yet thorough with your replies (I'd appreciate it).

So here's the meat of my cry-for-help caserole.

   - I'm having a problem pinging my hostname.  I'll ping it and 127.0.0.1
   is the resulting IP.
   - I see that my router has given my computer an IP address, but it
   doesn't have the hostname in its table.
   - I can't ping, by host name, my computer from any other computer on the
   home network.

So because of those issues, I can't properly network my linux box with other
computers in my home network.  I just found out (from a friend) that I had
an internal firewall turned on.  I didn't even realize that Fedora shipped
with a firewall.  From my Windows-days, I've learned that software firewall
causes too many headaches.  So; I disabled the firewall I discovered in
Fedora.  Thanks for any feedback.

*system-config-network 1.5.95*
I'm not all that handy with command-line network configuring yet so I'm
using the GUI program system-config-network.  In my DNS tab here are my
settings:

   - hostname: unicron.cybertron
   - primary dns: 192.168.1.1 (router)
   - secondary dns:
   - tertiary dns:
   - dns search path: unicron


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Re: [OT] Free download of Linux Fromat for 24 hours

[Dave Bolt IT Solutions]

I'll have to look further into this. It appears that I'm downloading using
torrent, but not giving anything back (seeding).

Nigel.

From what I've seen, you have to complete downloading a file before it will 
start seeding. At least that's what happened when I downloaded some iso 
images recently.


Dave 



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Re: FC10, Virtualization , Windows XP

[Kevin Kofler]

Tom Horsley wrote:
> The original question was about running Windows XP. I've never heard of
> a paravirt kernel generally available for XP, and without paravirt
> it needs the hardware emulation (or the sort of software emulation
> vmware does which I didn't think xen had incorporated, but maybe I
> wasn't paying attention when it happened :-).

kqemu and VirtualBox OSE can do software virtualization in Free Software.
kqemu works with QEMU and is available from RPM Fusion, VirtualBox OSE is
being packaged for RPM Fusion.

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Re: FC10, Virtualization , Windows XP

[Tom Horsley]

On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 00:54:47 + (GMT)
M A Young wrote:

> But they aren't all as slow as vmware, nor is hardware virtualization 
> required for a faster solution, for example Xen does very well without 
> needing hardware support.

The original question was about running Windows XP. I've never heard of
a paravirt kernel generally available for XP, and without paravirt
it needs the hardware emulation (or the sort of software emulation
vmware does which I didn't think xen had incorporated, but maybe I
wasn't paying attention when it happened :-).

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Re: practically no volume in f9

[Dave Feustel]

On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 09:10:08AM -0700, Craig White wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 18:00 -0500, Dave Feustel wrote:
> > I'm experiencing almost no volume with youtube videos on f9.
> > Pulseaudio says the volume is at max. Is pulseaudio causing
> > this problem?
> 
> open the 'mixer' application.

Is this the alsa-pulseaudio-plugin?
 
> check to see that the PCM channel is visible (if not add it) and raise
> the PCM channel volume.

PCM is visible and set to 74%
 
> on some laptops, you may need to raise the volume on the 'headphone'
> channel.

Headphones channel shows no bar graph at all. 
 
> Craig

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Re: practically no volume in f9

[Dave Feustel]

On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 12:42:39AM +0100, Nigel Henry wrote:
> On Thursday 05 March 2009 00:00, Dave Feustel wrote:
> > I'm experiencing almost no volume with youtube videos on f9.
> > Pulseaudio says the volume is at max. Is pulseaudio causing
> > this problem?
> >
> > Thanks.
> 
> Hi Dave. I'm not too impressed with pulseaudio, but that aside, first try the 
> following command on KDE's Konsole, or Gnomes Terminal.
> 
> alsamixer -D hw:0

Nice Display! :-)
 
> This will get you all of the alsamixer controls. There may may some control 
> that may be muted. Look for, Master, PCM, Front. The "M" key controls the 
> mute/unmute. Perhaps one of them just needs to be pushed up a bit.
> 
> If that doesn't fix anything you can disable pulseaudio by removing the 
> alsa-plugins-pulseaudio package. You can always re-install it later, if it 
> doesn't resolve the problem.

I removed the plugin and restarted Firefox but there was no change in
the volume. Is there anything else I can try?

Thanks.
 
> I have seen pulseaudio being responsible for low volume levels, and when 
> removed the volume comes back to normal.
> 
> Worth a try.
> 
> Nigel.
> 
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Re: Setting gnome-terminal default size

[Richard England]

Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
Is there any way to make gnome-terminal have a default size of (say) 
90 wide x 30 high, rather than the system default of 80x24?  I am
getting tired of setting the size every time I start the system.  


Thanks - jon

  


For gnome,  go to
   System > Preferences > Personal > Preferred Applications

Select the "System" tab, Change the terminal emulator from "GNOME 
terminal" to "Custom"  and then change the command to

   gnome-terminal  --geometry 90x30
or whatever size settings you like.

HTH

~~R

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Re: FC10, Virtualization , Windows XP

[M A Young]

On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, Tom Horsley wrote:


On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:09:04 -0500
Jim wrote:


FC 10/KDE
what is the best Virtualization program for FC10, to run Windows XP in.
I understand because my AMD Athlon doesn't have a "svm" feature I can't
run KVM, and VM Ware is slow ?


Anything you use will be slow without the hardware virtualization
support - they all have the same problem.


But they aren't all as slow as vmware, nor is hardware virtualization 
required for a faster solution, for example Xen does very well without 
needing hardware support. However, due to the current development stage, 
xen isn't a practical solution for Fedora 10 (upstream development is 
usable is some circumstances but yet suitable for a wider audience), but 
might be ready during the lifetime of Fedora 11, or for Fedora 12.


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Re: NetworkManager do not work with WIFI

[Javier Gaiano]

Hi,

I found it. In system-config-network I update the device eth0, and check the
option "Manage by NetworkManager". And of course, save the configuration en
File --> Save

Good bye, and thank you again.


2009/3/5 Javier Gaiano 

> Thank you Craig for your suggestion. It is a graphical way to enable the
> device (instead of typing 'ifup'). But the problem in the nm-applet
> continues.
>
> I try to restart NetworkManager service but nothing changes. And finally I
> kill the nm-applet process and restart it, but network options are still
> unable.
>
> Regards, Javier.
>
> 2009/3/3 Craig White 
>
> On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 01:40 +0100, Javier Gaiano wrote:
>> > Hi everybody,
>> >
>> > Since an update last week, no WIFI connection appears in my
>> > NetworkManager applet.
>> >
>> > To make WIFI work I must open a term and execute:
>> > ifup eth0
>> >
>> > I have not moved my laptop, so I suppose that everything works because
>> > the connection I use was configured before.
>> >
>> > Any ideas??
>> 
>> sounds like you lost the setting 'Device controlled by NetworkManager'
>>
>> Go to Administration => Network and select the wireless device and check
>> its properties and ensure that the checkbox for this item is checked.
>>
>> Craig
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Re: Dual boot WinXP repair (maybe a little OT)

[Michael D. Setzer II]

I saw a similar issue in my lab.
Check the boot.ini file that is used by the Windows boot loader. It lists the 
disk and partition information, and if you change the partitions this number 
will be wrong. You might be able to change the partition number, and it might 
work.



On 4 Mar 2009 at 18:23, Matthew Saltzman wrote:

From:   Matthew Saltzman 
To: "Community assistance, encouragement,
and advice for using Fedora." 
Organization:   Clemson University
Date sent:  Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:23:57 -0500
Subject:Re: Dual boot WinXP repair (maybe a little OT)
Send reply to:  "Community assistance, encouragement,
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and advice for using Fedora." 



> On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 15:36 -0500, Mauriat wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Matthew Saltzman  wrote:
> > > So I installed WinXP on an old computer, then repartitioned with
> > > qparted. I added a partition in front of the Windows one for /boot and
> > > one after for a LVM volume. Then I installed F10. I loaded grub in the
> > > boot record of the /boot partition and left the MBR alone. I
> > > re-numbered the partitions so that /boot is sda1, Windows is sda2, and
> > > the rest is sda3. There is no extended partition.
> > >
> > > Now WinXP won't boot.
> > >
> > > Is there a simple way to reconfigure the WinXP side so that its boot
> > > loader works again (without re-installing)? I changed the boot.ini
> > > partition number, but that didn't help.
> > 
> > Just curious, what is the advantage of putting /boot before the XP 
> > partition?
> 
> Actually, force of habit, left over from the days when /boot had to live
> in the first 1024 cylinders.  
> 
> > 
> > Did you try booting the XP cd and using the recovery console?  I think
> > there are some commands for trying to fix the boot record.
> 
> Not yet.  I'll give it a shot if there's nothing easier.
> 
> > 
> > -Mauriat
> > 
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Re: Clarification on roles of networking components.

[Simon Slater]

On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 15:57 -0500, Flaschen, Matthew S wrote:
> > Now I've caught up on some sleep I can continue with a clearer head.
> > The single server has 2 nics, one internal the other to the dsl
> router.
> > For now internal name resolution and dhcp is the issue, but more
> > internal services will be added down the road, as well as web server
> > usw.  I started with dhcpd but this does seem more powerful than I
> need
> > now.
> 
> I would say dhcpd is less powerful (for your purposes), because it
> does not integrate DNS and DHCP automatically.  Now in many cases
> dhcpd is perfect, but since you want name resolution for all hosts I
> think dnsmasq is a better choice.
> 
Yes, thanks Matt.  As you pointed out in your first post, I have been
seeing the individual components of a network as disparate entities and
not necessarily linking them together in the right ways.

What would be really helpful would be if someone could point me to an
overview of networking, showing how the various applications, services
and protocols link together, overlap, complement or substitute for each
other, if such a thing exists.

Maybe good for a Fedora Classroom session.  Anyone up for it?

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Re: Perl modules <---> Fedora RPMs (Test::More)

[Kevin Kofler]

Geoffrey Leach wrote:
> Install _minimal_ Perl as rpms. That's just perl and whatever comes
> with it on yum install. Then get the CPAN rpm, and whatever comes with
> it.

And that doesn't work when other Fedora packages (which are not 100% Perl or
which aren't on CPAN for some other reason) require Perl modules as
dependencies.

> After this, use cpan to install whatever you need. The cli interface is
> simple and easy to use.

Not easier than PackageKit for sure. Or plain yum for command-line addicts.

> The value of this is that if you install (rather than upgrade) new Fedora
> distos, your cpan-installed modules are not affected, always assuming
> that /usr/local is a separate file system.

But the drawback is that this also means you have to upgrade all your
modules by hand instead of getting them upgraded when you update your
version of Fedora or upgrade to the next version of Fedora.

As for not wanting to reinstall the packages after a fresh install of
Fedora, it's a case of "don't do that then". Just do an upgrade instead.

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Re: [OT] Free download of Linux Fromat for 24 hours

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 04 March 2009, Nigel Henry wrote:
>On Wednesday 04 March 2009 22:06, phil wrote:
>> Nigel Henry wrote:
>> > On Wednesday 04 March 2009 15:05, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>> >> On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 08:42:29PM +, Steve Searle wrote:
>> >>> http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-on
>> >>>l y
>> >
>> > I havn't seen a Linux Format mag since I moved to France in Sept 2004.
>> > No money for the sub.
>> >
>> > Seeing the link above, I thought, "that's worth going for". Clicked on
>> > the hi res download, only to find it was torrent, which I've never used
>> > before.
>> >
>> > I had to go and collect bread, and other stuff on my bike at the local
>> > town, so sometime later, and back at the ranch, I fire up F10, which I
>> > know has Ktorrent on it. Click on "Help" in K torrent, but no help
>> > files. Doh! . I'm sort of used to this with KDE, although I use it all
>> > the time, but is annoying when you want to try a new app, but there is
>> > no info on how to use it.
>> >
>> > Anyway, that aside, I see another app in KDE's Internet menu
>> > "Transmission". That may be a Gnome app, but at least it's got info on
>> > how to use it. I'm on dialup, but I drag the .torrent file into
>> > transmissions main window, and get the torrent downloading the file. I
>> > don't think there is a hope in hell of it running to completion before
>> > Linux Format remove the link, which is a shame, as it would have been
>> > nice to read a Linux Format mag again.
>> >
>> > How do these torrent downloads work, for instance with this PDF
>> > download? Say for example If I get 90% of it downloaded, before I lose
>> > the torrent link. Am I likely to be able to open the PDF, and view some
>> > of the pages, or am I going to have all the pages, but bits and pieces
>> > missing from each of them?
>> >
>> > I suppose whichever way this goes, I've learned a bit about torrent, and
>> > the next time I need to use it I'll be a bit more clued up.
>> >
>> > Nigel.
>>
>> no matter if lxf remove their seeding server myself (and i'm sure many
>> others) will keep seeding it for a while which should allow you to
>> finish your download :)
>>
>> phil
>
>Thanks for that info Phil. So I may get it completed after all, which would
> be nice.
>
>I know I'm on dialup, but it's odd that the "Transmission" app is not
> showing anything being uploaded, but the downloading is using all available
> dialup bandwidth.
>
>Gkrellm shows some stuff being transmitted, but all below 1K.
>
>I'll have to look further into this. It appears that I'm downloading using
>torrent, but not giving anything back (seeding).
>
>Nigel.

With your limited landline bandwidth, it may not start seeding until the 
download is done.  What you see going out are probably just the acks and block 
requests to fill in the blanks.

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Re: FC10, Virtualization , Windows XP

[Tom Horsley]

On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:09:04 -0500
Jim wrote:

> FC 10/KDE
> what is the best Virtualization program for FC10, to run Windows XP in.
> I understand because my AMD Athlon doesn't have a "svm" feature I can't 
> run KVM, and VM Ware is slow ?

Anything you use will be slow without the hardware virtualization
support - they all have the same problem.

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Re: Text editor won't let me edit conf files. How do I?

[Kevin Kofler]

Rangeen Basu wrote:
> you can also use this command:
> 
> su -c 'gedit /etc/your_file.conf'
> Password:

Using su with GUI apps can lead to X11 sockets and the like getting wrong
permissions and screwing up that user's configuration. YMMV.

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FC10, Virtualization , Windows XP

[Jim]

FC 10/KDE
what is the best Virtualization program for FC10, to run Windows XP in.
I understand because my AMD Athlon doesn't have a "svm" feature I can't 
run KVM, and VM Ware is slow ?


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Re: NetworkManager do not work with WIFI

[Javier Gaiano]

Thank you Craig for your suggestion. It is a graphical way to enable the
device (instead of typing 'ifup'). But the problem in the nm-applet
continues.

I try to restart NetworkManager service but nothing changes. And finally I
kill the nm-applet process and restart it, but network options are still
unable.

Regards, Javier.

2009/3/3 Craig White 

> On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 01:40 +0100, Javier Gaiano wrote:
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > Since an update last week, no WIFI connection appears in my
> > NetworkManager applet.
> >
> > To make WIFI work I must open a term and execute:
> > ifup eth0
> >
> > I have not moved my laptop, so I suppose that everything works because
> > the connection I use was configured before.
> >
> > Any ideas??
> 
> sounds like you lost the setting 'Device controlled by NetworkManager'
>
> Go to Administration => Network and select the wireless device and check
> its properties and ensure that the checkbox for this item is checked.
>
> Craig
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Re: Perl modules <---> Fedora RPMs (Test::More)

[Geoffrey Leach]

On 03/04/2009 11:12:33 AM, Dave Cross wrote:
> 2009/3/4 Reber, Simon :
> > I suggest to download the tar.gz package from http://www.cpan.de 
> and
> install it using:
> >        perl Makefile.PL
> >        make
> >        make install
> 
> Firstly, if you're going to point someone at CPAN then please use the
> canonical URL (http://www.cpan.org/) rather than a national mirror.
> 
> Secondly, mixing RPM-installed modules and CPAN-installed modules in
> the same Perl installation is a recipe for disaster. I strongly
> recommend avoiding it whenever possible.

Actually, that's not the case. Here's what I do. YMMV.

Install _minimal_ Perl as rpms. That's just perl and whatever comes 
with it on yum install. Then get the CPAN rpm, and whatever comes with 
it.

After this, use cpan to install whatever you need. The cli interface is 
simple and easy to use. The value of this is that if you install 
(rather than upgrade) new Fedora distos, your cpan-installed modules 
are not affected, always assuming that /usr/local is a separate file 
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Re: practically no volume in f9

[Nigel Henry]

On Thursday 05 March 2009 00:00, Dave Feustel wrote:
> I'm experiencing almost no volume with youtube videos on f9.
> Pulseaudio says the volume is at max. Is pulseaudio causing
> this problem?
>
> Thanks.

Hi Dave. I'm not too impressed with pulseaudio, but that aside, first try the 
following command on KDE's Konsole, or Gnomes Terminal.

alsamixer -D hw:0

This will get you all of the alsamixer controls. There may may some control 
that may be muted. Look for, Master, PCM, Front. The "M" key controls the 
mute/unmute. Perhaps one of them just needs to be pushed up a bit.

If that doesn't fix anything you can disable pulseaudio by removing the 
alsa-plugins-pulseaudio package. You can always re-install it later, if it 
doesn't resolve the problem.

I have seen pulseaudio being responsible for low volume levels, and when 
removed the volume comes back to normal.

Worth a try.

Nigel.


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Re: Strange Thunderbird IMAP problem

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 16:09 -0600, John Thompson wrote:
> I can send mail from the desktop machine via gmail's smtp service, but
> copying the sent message to the IMAP folder fails, because the
> connection cannot be established.

Not really an answer to your question, but you should note that it's not
recommended practice to keep your Sent folder on Gmail, given that Gmail
is already storing it (in "Gmail/Sent Mail") when it receives your SMTP,
i.e. you're sending it twice to no purpose.

poc

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Re: Dual boot WinXP repair (maybe a little OT)

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 15:36 -0500, Mauriat wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Matthew Saltzman  wrote:
> > So I installed WinXP on an old computer, then repartitioned with
> > qparted. I added a partition in front of the Windows one for /boot and
> > one after for a LVM volume. Then I installed F10. I loaded grub in the
> > boot record of the /boot partition and left the MBR alone. I
> > re-numbered the partitions so that /boot is sda1, Windows is sda2, and
> > the rest is sda3. There is no extended partition.
> >
> > Now WinXP won't boot.
> >
> > Is there a simple way to reconfigure the WinXP side so that its boot
> > loader works again (without re-installing)? I changed the boot.ini
> > partition number, but that didn't help.
> 
> Just curious, what is the advantage of putting /boot before the XP partition?

Actually, force of habit, left over from the days when /boot had to live
in the first 1024 cylinders.  

> 
> Did you try booting the XP cd and using the recovery console?  I think
> there are some commands for trying to fix the boot record.

Not yet.  I'll give it a shot if there's nothing easier.

> 
> -Mauriat
> 
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Re: Dual boot WinXP repair (maybe a little OT)

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 13:53 -0800, suvayu ali wrote:
> 2009/3/4 Matthew Saltzman :
> > I re-numbered the partitions so that /boot is sda1, Windows is sda2, and
> > the rest is sda3. There is no extended partition.
> >
> > Now WinXP won't boot.
> >
> did you change the corresponding chainload line in grub.conf ?

It's now 

title MS WinXP Pro
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
chainloader +1

The WinXP partition is the second one, so I think that's correct.

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Re: practically no volume in f9

[Craig White]

On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 18:00 -0500, Dave Feustel wrote:
> I'm experiencing almost no volume with youtube videos on f9.
> Pulseaudio says the volume is at max. Is pulseaudio causing
> this problem?

open the 'mixer' application.

check to see that the PCM channel is visible (if not add it) and raise
the PCM channel volume.

on some laptops, you may need to raise the volume on the 'headphone'
channel.

Craig

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Re: My fedora freeze it

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Craig White  wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 16:47 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Aldo Foot  wrote:
>> > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Arthur Pemberton  wrote:
>> >> I can confirm a lot of freezes in F9 as well. They seemed to have
>> >> started 2 kernels ago.
>>
>> Sorry, I forgot to mark this thread.
>>
>> > On what type of system have you experienced the problem?
>>
>> This is a customized system that I've had for a few years now. Which
>> immediately reminds me that I maybe need to dust it out.
>>
>> P4, 3.5GB of RAM, ASUS board.
>>
>> > Do you continually have this problem or have you been able to fix it?
>>
>> Since it first happened, it has happened at least 3 more times. And
>> this is a really hard lockup. I have found no pattern except for
>> network usage leading me to wonder if it is a problem with the NIC
>> kernel module.
>>
>> > Does it happen randomly or when you're doing a particular thing?
>>
>> Thing is, I use my machine for a lot of stuff. as a Mythbackend being
>> one thing. I would like to say that it seems to happen when I use the
>> network heavily. But I use the network heavily a lot more than it
>> fails -- so that isn't exactly a concrete causality.
>>
>>
>> It bloody pisses me off though. I did a kernel update last night, will
>> wait and see what happens.
>>
>> I haven't cleared out the machine yet just because the stupid SATA
>> plugs both my drives are bad, and if I lose connectivity with them, I
>> may never get it back.
> 
> I was having that problem the last two days on F10 and this was a system
> that I had continuously updated from FC5 I think.
>
> I ended up booting into runlevel 1 and moving /etc/X11/xorg.conf to
> xorg.conf-bak and rebooting and haven't locked up since.
>
> It must have been some setting in xorg.conf that I haven't figured out.
>
> Craig


Well that double sucks. I'm on F9. I might as well just upgrade to F10.


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practically no volume in f9

[Dave Feustel]

I'm experiencing almost no volume with youtube videos on f9.
Pulseaudio says the volume is at max. Is pulseaudio causing
this problem?

Thanks.

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Re: My fedora freeze it

[Craig White]

On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 16:47 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Aldo Foot  wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Arthur Pemberton  wrote:
> >> I can confirm a lot of freezes in F9 as well. They seemed to have
> >> started 2 kernels ago.
> 
> Sorry, I forgot to mark this thread.
> 
> > On what type of system have you experienced the problem?
> 
> This is a customized system that I've had for a few years now. Which
> immediately reminds me that I maybe need to dust it out.
> 
> P4, 3.5GB of RAM, ASUS board.
> 
> > Do you continually have this problem or have you been able to fix it?
> 
> Since it first happened, it has happened at least 3 more times. And
> this is a really hard lockup. I have found no pattern except for
> network usage leading me to wonder if it is a problem with the NIC
> kernel module.
> 
> > Does it happen randomly or when you're doing a particular thing?
> 
> Thing is, I use my machine for a lot of stuff. as a Mythbackend being
> one thing. I would like to say that it seems to happen when I use the
> network heavily. But I use the network heavily a lot more than it
> fails -- so that isn't exactly a concrete causality.
> 
> 
> It bloody pisses me off though. I did a kernel update last night, will
> wait and see what happens.
> 
> I haven't cleared out the machine yet just because the stupid SATA
> plugs both my drives are bad, and if I lose connectivity with them, I
> may never get it back.

I was having that problem the last two days on F10 and this was a system
that I had continuously updated from FC5 I think.

I ended up booting into runlevel 1 and moving /etc/X11/xorg.conf to
xorg.conf-bak and rebooting and haven't locked up since.

It must have been some setting in xorg.conf that I haven't figured out.

Craig

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Re: My fedora freeze it

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Aldo Foot  wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Arthur Pemberton  wrote:
>> I can confirm a lot of freezes in F9 as well. They seemed to have
>> started 2 kernels ago.

Sorry, I forgot to mark this thread.

> On what type of system have you experienced the problem?

This is a customized system that I've had for a few years now. Which
immediately reminds me that I maybe need to dust it out.

P4, 3.5GB of RAM, ASUS board.

> Do you continually have this problem or have you been able to fix it?

Since it first happened, it has happened at least 3 more times. And
this is a really hard lockup. I have found no pattern except for
network usage leading me to wonder if it is a problem with the NIC
kernel module.

> Does it happen randomly or when you're doing a particular thing?

Thing is, I use my machine for a lot of stuff. as a Mythbackend being
one thing. I would like to say that it seems to happen when I use the
network heavily. But I use the network heavily a lot more than it
fails -- so that isn't exactly a concrete causality.


It bloody pisses me off though. I did a kernel update last night, will
wait and see what happens.

I haven't cleared out the machine yet just because the stupid SATA
plugs both my drives are bad, and if I lose connectivity with them, I
may never get it back.

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Re: [OT] Free download of Linux Fromat for 24 hours

[Nigel Henry]

On Wednesday 04 March 2009 22:06, phil wrote:
> Nigel Henry wrote:
> > On Wednesday 04 March 2009 15:05, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> >> On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 08:42:29PM +, Steve Searle wrote:
> >>> http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-onl
> >>>y
> >
> > I havn't seen a Linux Format mag since I moved to France in Sept 2004. No
> > money for the sub.
> >
> > Seeing the link above, I thought, "that's worth going for". Clicked on
> > the hi res download, only to find it was torrent, which I've never used
> > before.
> >
> > I had to go and collect bread, and other stuff on my bike at the local
> > town, so sometime later, and back at the ranch, I fire up F10, which I
> > know has Ktorrent on it. Click on "Help" in K torrent, but no help files.
> > Doh! . I'm sort of used to this with KDE, although I use it all the time,
> > but is annoying when you want to try a new app, but there is no info on
> > how to use it.
> >
> > Anyway, that aside, I see another app in KDE's Internet menu
> > "Transmission". That may be a Gnome app, but at least it's got info on
> > how to use it. I'm on dialup, but I drag the .torrent file into
> > transmissions main window, and get the torrent downloading the file. I
> > don't think there is a hope in hell of it running to completion before
> > Linux Format remove the link, which is a shame, as it would have been
> > nice to read a Linux Format mag again.
> >
> > How do these torrent downloads work, for instance with this PDF download?
> > Say for example If I get 90% of it downloaded, before I lose the torrent
> > link. Am I likely to be able to open the PDF, and view some of the pages,
> > or am I going to have all the pages, but bits and pieces missing from
> > each of them?
> >
> > I suppose whichever way this goes, I've learned a bit about torrent, and
> > the next time I need to use it I'll be a bit more clued up.
> >
> > Nigel.
>
> no matter if lxf remove their seeding server myself (and i'm sure many
> others) will keep seeding it for a while which should allow you to
> finish your download :)
>
> phil

Thanks for that info Phil. So I may get it completed after all, which would be 
nice.

I know I'm on dialup, but it's odd that the "Transmission" app is not showing 
anything being uploaded, but the downloading is using all available dialup 
bandwidth.

Gkrellm shows some stuff being transmitted, but all below 1K.

I'll have to look further into this. It appears that I'm downloading using 
torrent, but not giving anything back (seeding).

Nigel.





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Re: My fedora freeze it

[Kam Leo]

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Robin Laing
 wrote:
> Aldo Foot wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Arthur Pemberton 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I can confirm a lot of freezes in F9 as well. They seemed to have
>>> started 2 kernels ago.
>>
>> On what type of system have you experienced the problem?
>> Do you continually have this problem or have you been able to fix it?
>> Does it happen randomly or when you're doing a particular thing?
>>
>> ~af
>>
>
> In my case, it is a computer that very happily ran F7 with no issues. F10
> has been a fun situation.  My wife won't let me upgrade her computer until I
> can prove that F10 is better than her F7, and I need to get a copy of one of
> her favourite programs working in F10 first.  KXstitch.  :)
>
> I have yet to try some of the tweaks that I have read about to get the
> desktop to run faster over services in the background but I have not had a
> full freeze in a few weeks now.
>
> --
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Does your system freeze if you disable the screensaver?

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Re: Text editor won't let me edit conf files. How do I?

[Alex Makhlin]

Aaron Konstam wrote:

On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 00:17 +0530, Rangeen Basu wrote:
  

I'm not good at the command line (Just past newbie).  I try to edit .conf
files to set up samba but the text editor tells me I don't have
permission.  All of the system admin functions ask me for authorization
and then let me do whatever but not the text editor.  I have added the gdm
group to  the directories the gnome docs told me to (/run/gdm).  I have
added the gdm group to my user group profile.  How can I get a GUI text
editor to let me edit .conf files?


you can also use this command:

su -c 'gedit /etc/your_file.conf'
Password:



  

Give your root password when it asks.
-


The essential point is that you have to be root to edit filles with onlu
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You can also just type
su
And then your root password
After which, you will have complete root access.

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Strange Thunderbird IMAP problem

[John Thompson]

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I have 2 computers here running linux and using Thunderbird for email.
One is a laptop, running Vectorlinux-4.2; the other is a desktop,
running Fedora 10 x86_64. Thunderbird is configured identically on both
to ccess to separate IMAP accounts. Until this morning, both worked
fine. Now the Fedora machine can no longer access my gmail IMAP account;
it times out without establishing the connection. My laptop can still
connect perfectly well. Did I mention they were configured identically?
There are no firewall rules blocking gmail on the desktop machine:

[r...@lancre ~]# iptables -L
Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source   destination

Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source   destination

Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source   destination

Chain blocksshd (0 references)
target prot opt source   destination

I can send mail from the desktop machine via gmail's smtp service, but
copying the sent message to the IMAP folder fails, because the
connection cannot be established. The mail is received properly by the
laptop machine.

WTF is going on? The only change in the system was installing Fedora's
newest kernel and rebooting, as requested by the system update applet.

# uname -a
Linux lancre 2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Feb 23 13:00:23
EST 2009 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

The last mail received from gmail on the desktop machine was at 0745CST
this morning, just prior to installing the new kernel and rebooting.

I can't imagine a kernel update specifically blocking IMAP on gmail, but
I have no other clues to go on.

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Re: Text editor won't let me edit conf files. How do I?

[Aaron Konstam]

On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 00:17 +0530, Rangeen Basu wrote:
> >> I'm not good at the command line (Just past newbie).  I try to edit .conf
> >> files to set up samba but the text editor tells me I don't have
> >> permission.  All of the system admin functions ask me for authorization
> >> and then let me do whatever but not the text editor.  I have added the gdm
> >> group to  the directories the gnome docs told me to (/run/gdm).  I have
> >> added the gdm group to my user group profile.  How can I get a GUI text
> >> editor to let me edit .conf files?
> >
> you can also use this command:
> 
> su -c 'gedit /etc/your_file.conf'
> Password:

> Give your root password when it asks.
> -
The essential point is that you have to be root to edit filles with onlu
root w permissions
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Re: Dual boot WinXP repair (maybe a little OT)

[suvayu ali]

2009/3/4 Matthew Saltzman :
> I re-numbered the partitions so that /boot is sda1, Windows is sda2, and
> the rest is sda3.  There is no extended partition.
>
> Now WinXP won't boot.
>
did you change the corresponding chainload line in grub.conf ?

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Re: Booting a gazillion linuxes?

[Tom Horsley]

On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:24:45 +
Richard W.M. Jones wrote:

> Is there a reason you want to chainload them (except for Windows of
> course)?

I don't care about chainloading so much, but I want them all to
have independently owned and operated /boot partitions so I don't
have to fool with manually fiddling with the entries in a shared
/boot partition after updates and wot-not.

>From what I'm reading I can't have a /boot partition in an LVM,
so I can't have enough "real" boot partitions to pair with my
LVM roots (you can put a lot of roots on a 500GB drive :-).

I'd be happy to be mistaken about all that though.

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Re: Clarification on roles of networking components.

[Robert Moskowitz]

Simon Slater wrote:

On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 12:34 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
  

Flaschen, Matthew S wrote:


If he has internal servers that local hosts need access to.



At the moment one server offering limited services internally, nothing
external.
  
  
  
For example. If he is running an Netbios server and the clients need to 
access shares on it.


Right. 
  
He does not want the world to know about this NAS, 


Obviously
  

plus it probably has an RFC1918 address.

I would definitely recommend a local-only address for the local services. 
  

So with a local BIND server, he would set up an Internal view.


He /could/ do that but you haven't said why he should.  If he wants his 
DNS/DHCP server connected to the outside internet, I would recommend he get two 
ethernet cards, eth0 and eth1, then configure dnsmasq to only serve on only the 
local interface.  Note that this doesn't require any DNS-specific 
configurations.  It is inherently simple and secure.

  
Perhaps he has an internal WiKi. I can go on with internal servers that 
need name resolution. 



I think he wants name resolution for all local hosts (why not?).

  

Yes
  
He can maintain all of this in hosts files on each 
client as he seems to have done, or he can run his own internal DNS 
server with an internal view. 



Nowhere do you say why the complexity of BIND is necessary.  He would be served 
very well (no pun intended) with a far simpler DNS implementation.
  

So your issue is not DNS, but rather the BIND implementation of DNS.

I have been working with BIND since '93. I have not spent any time 
looking at any other implementations of DNS


Go with whatever floats your boat.

Webmin DOES make working with BIND reasonable.




Now I've caught up on some sleep I can continue with a clearer head.
The single server has 2 nics, one internal the other to the dsl router.
For now internal name resolution and dhcp is the issue, but more
internal services will be added down the road, as well as web server
usw.  I started with dhcpd but this does seem more powerful than I need
now.  I'll check out dnsmasq today.

webmin makes dhcpd easier, but as you mentioned there is dnsmasq.


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Re: linkage problem?

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 04 March 2009, James Wilkinson wrote:
>Gene Heskett wrote:
>> I note that in kontrol->file associations, there are often 2 copies of
>> firefox, presumably because when F10 installed itself, it installed 3.0.4
>> alongside the 3.0.6 install.  I had yum remove the 3.0.4 version
>
>Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> (And FYI, the version in F10 updates is also 3.0.6.)
>
>Gene replied:
>> Then why isn't yum offering to install it?  Is updates disabled by
>> default?
>
>Let me check this: you removed the Firefox RPM, installed a non-RPM
>based Firefox, and now wonder why yum doesn’t know that Firefox is
>installed?
>
>James.

After the fact James.  The default upgrade linked an old version I hadn't use 
in ages to all the menus & I could not find where to fix that, so I just nuked 
it, but not with rpm.  Then the missing links gave me enough of an error 
message that I could find and fix those links.  So now it is using 3.0.6 just 
fine with one huge wart:

When I click on a link in an email, and there is a session running in a 
different window, rather than handing the link off to the running copy, it 
opens another independent invocation of firefox, with 2 identical tabs open to 
the link clicked on.  Behind the kmail screen and very easily missed cuz only 
1/8" of the new FF screen shows.

I'll get that sorted in due time, but there really are far more pressing 
problems with the f10 upgrade, the most aggravating of which is changes in the 
color schemes used, both in FF and in terminals, FF doesn't save the use 
system colors setting so many web pages are devoid of any text content because 
the background and foreground colors are the same.  I'll bet I've called up 
about:config and changed that to true 500 times since upgrading to F10.

And those apps like ls or mc that like to use colors to denote different file 
types are color crippled and very hard to read regardless of what color scheme 
is selected, so one has to set each session up with a different color scheme 
in order to get legible screen displays.  Please revert the ability to choose 
colors to what it was in F8.  In fact, I consider this part to be a huge 
regression.  Ditto the screen backgrounds, I can change them but the change is 
gone should I reboot.  PIMA...

I know, you were going to ask me for a 'Duh', weren't you? :)

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Re: Booting a gazillion linuxes?

[Richard W.M. Jones]

On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 09:46:30PM -0500, Tom Horsley wrote:
> Any recommendations for the best way to organize a big
> old disk chock full of different versions of linux so I
> can boot different ones?
> 
> For just a few linux versions, I've used a stand alone
> grub and chainloaded different partitions which, in turn,
> have their own grub.
> 
> With enough different linux versions installed, I'll have to
> use LVMs instead of extended partitions, and it occurs to me
> that I have no idea if grub can be pointed at an LVM to
> chainload the linux there (I certainly don't see anything in
> the grub info file that mentions lvm or any syntax that
> might be used to reference one).

I do this - perhaps not gazillions, but 5 or 6 different versions of
Linux + a Windows partition.

  /dev/sda1  Windows
  /dev/sda2  Shared Linux /boot
  /dev/sda3  Shared Linux swap
  /dev/sda4  Linux PV containing all Linux root fs's

I use LVM for the Linux rootfs's, and I just have grub boot them
directly.

Is there a reason you want to chainload them (except for Windows of
course)?

Rich.

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Re: What are these yum plugins for ? (kmod-nvidia related)

[Axel Thimm]

On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 02:02:00PM -0700, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 10:36 -0800, suvayu ali wrote:
> > 2009/3/4 Axel Thimm :
> > > Neither should the other plugins do, but at the very end you will only
> > > know for sure if you start disabling them one by one. Edit
> > >
> > > /etc/yum/pluginconf.d/*.conf
> > >
> > > and set
> > >
> > > enabled=0
> > >
> > > to disable the plugin(s) and try again.
> > 
> > or use yum --disableplugin=[plugin]
> 
> I disabled all of them.  No kmod-nvidia packages become available.

Have you tried

yum install nvidia-graphics [1]?

That might fix all your issues, although it would still be a mistery
why your system doesn't see some packages.

[1] Requires an enabled ATrpms repo
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Re: kmod-nvidia is missing for kernel 2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10

[Frank Cox]

On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:03:00 -0700
Linuxguy123 wrote:

> I disabled all my yum plugins.  I still do not have access to the
> kmod-nvidia package for this kernel.   Any ideas ?   How do I fix this ?

Are you sure you have the correct repository enabled?  (Note:  Installed !=
Enabled)

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Re: [OT] Free download of Linux Fromat for 24 hours

[phil]

Nigel Henry wrote:

On Wednesday 04 March 2009 15:05, Paul W. Frields wrote:

On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 08:42:29PM +, Steve Searle wrote:

http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only


I havn't seen a Linux Format mag since I moved to France in Sept 2004. No 
money for the sub.


Seeing the link above, I thought, "that's worth going for". Clicked on the hi 
res download, only to find it was torrent, which I've never used before.


I had to go and collect bread, and other stuff on my bike at the local town, 
so sometime later, and back at the ranch, I fire up F10, which I know has 
Ktorrent on it. Click on "Help" in K torrent, but no help files. Doh! . I'm 
sort of used to this with KDE, although I use it all the time, but is 
annoying when you want to try a new app, but there is no info on how to use 
it.


Anyway, that aside, I see another app in KDE's Internet menu "Transmission". 
That may be a Gnome app, but at least it's got info on how to use it. I'm on 
dialup, but I drag the .torrent file into transmissions main window, and get 
the torrent downloading the file. I don't think there is a hope in hell of it 
running to completion before Linux Format remove the link, which is a shame, 
as it would have been nice to read a Linux Format mag again.


How do these torrent downloads work, for instance with this PDF download? Say 
for example If I get 90% of it downloaded, before I lose the torrent link. Am 
I likely to be able to open the PDF, and view some of the pages, or am I 
going to have all the pages, but bits and pieces missing from each of them?


I suppose whichever way this goes, I've learned a bit about torrent, and the 
next time I need to use it I'll be a bit more clued up.


Nigel.




no matter if lxf remove their seeding server myself (and i'm sure many 
others) will keep seeding it for a while which should allow you to 
finish your download :)


phil

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Re: kmod-nvidia is missing for kernel 2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10

[Linuxguy123]

On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 06:53 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > I just ran yum update and it didn't install the new kmod-nvidia module.
> > I ran yum list kmod-nvidia* and the new package isn't there.  The new
> > kmod-nvidia module is still not available on whatever mirror my computer
> > connects to.  I'll try again tomorrow.
> 
> Mirroring is not instant. And as the kernel and the kmods are in different
> repositories, it won't always happen at the same time (in fact it will
> never happen at exactly the same time, the difference between the times can
> only be minimized). That's just how life is, you're wasting everyone's time
> by complaining.

I disabled all my yum plugins.  I still do not have access to the
kmod-nvidia package for this kernel.   Any ideas ?   How do I fix this ?

Thanks



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Re: What are these yum plugins for ? (kmod-nvidia related)

[Linuxguy123]

On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 10:36 -0800, suvayu ali wrote:
> 2009/3/4 Axel Thimm :
> > Neither should the other plugins do, but at the very end you will only
> > know for sure if you start disabling them one by one. Edit
> >
> > /etc/yum/pluginconf.d/*.conf
> >
> > and set
> >
> > enabled=0
> >
> > to disable the plugin(s) and try again.
> 
> or use yum --disableplugin=[plugin]

I disabled all of them.  No kmod-nvidia packages become available.

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Re: Clarification on roles of networking components.

[Flaschen, Matthew S]

> Now I've caught up on some sleep I can continue with a clearer head.
> The single server has 2 nics, one internal the other to the dsl router.
> For now internal name resolution and dhcp is the issue, but more
> internal services will be added down the road, as well as web server
> usw.  I started with dhcpd but this does seem more powerful than I need
> now.

I would say dhcpd is less powerful (for your purposes), because it does not 
integrate DNS and DHCP automatically.  Now in many cases dhcpd is perfect, but 
since you want name resolution for all hosts I think dnsmasq is a better choice.

Matt Flaschen

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Re: [OT] Free download of Linux Fromat for 24 hours

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 21:41:55 +0100,
  Nigel Henry  wrote:
> 
> How do these torrent downloads work, for instance with this PDF download? Say 
> for example If I get 90% of it downloaded, before I lose the torrent link. Am 
> I likely to be able to open the PDF, and view some of the pages, or am I 
> going to have all the pages, but bits and pieces missing from each of them?

Torrents don't pull in bytes in order. So pieces could be missing anywhere
in the file. Restarting the torrent should pick up where it left off though.

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Re: Skype and F9

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 10:29 -0500, Dave Feustel wrote:
> Thanks for the feedback. Any comments on the various Skype headsets?

None. I just use the speakers and a hand-mike.

poc

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Re: Clarification on roles of networking components.

[Simon Slater]

On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 12:34 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> Flaschen, Matthew S wrote:
> >> If he has internal servers that local hosts need access to.
> >> 
At the moment one server offering limited services internally, nothing
external.
> >   
> >> For example. If he is running an Netbios server and the clients need to 
> >> access shares on it.
> >> 
> > Right. 
> >> He does not want the world to know about this NAS, 
> > Obviously
> >> plus it probably has an RFC1918 address.
> > I would definitely recommend a local-only address for the local services. 
> >> So with a local BIND server, he would set up an Internal view.
> > He /could/ do that but you haven't said why he should.  If he wants his 
> > DNS/DHCP server connected to the outside internet, I would recommend he get 
> > two ethernet cards, eth0 and eth1, then configure dnsmasq to only serve on 
> > only the local interface.  Note that this doesn't require any DNS-specific 
> > configurations.  It is inherently simple and secure.
> > 
> >> Perhaps he has an internal WiKi. I can go on with internal servers that 
> >> need name resolution. 
> >> 
> >
> > I think he wants name resolution for all local hosts (why not?).
> >
Yes
> >> He can maintain all of this in hosts files on each 
> >> client as he seems to have done, or he can run his own internal DNS 
> >> server with an internal view. 
> >> 
> >
> > Nowhere do you say why the complexity of BIND is necessary.  He would be 
> > served very well (no pun intended) with a far simpler DNS implementation.
> 
> So your issue is not DNS, but rather the BIND implementation of DNS.
> 
> I have been working with BIND since '93. I have not spent any time 
> looking at any other implementations of DNS
> 
> Go with whatever floats your boat.
> 
> Webmin DOES make working with BIND reasonable.
> 
> 
Now I've caught up on some sleep I can continue with a clearer head.
The single server has 2 nics, one internal the other to the dsl router.
For now internal name resolution and dhcp is the issue, but more
internal services will be added down the road, as well as web server
usw.  I started with dhcpd but this does seem more powerful than I need
now.  I'll check out dnsmasq today.

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Re: linkage problem?

[James Wilkinson]

Gene Heskett wrote:
> I note that in kontrol->file associations, there are often 2 copies of
> firefox, presumably because when F10 installed itself, it installed 3.0.4
> alongside the 3.0.6 install.  I had yum remove the 3.0.4 version

Kevin Kofler wrote:
> (And FYI, the version in F10 updates is also 3.0.6.)

Gene replied:
> Then why isn't yum offering to install it?  Is updates disabled by default?

Let me check this: you removed the Firefox RPM, installed a non-RPM
based Firefox, and now wonder why yum doesn’t know that Firefox is
installed?

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Re: Booting a gazillion linuxes?

[James Wilkinson]

Tom Horsley wrote:
> Any recommendations for the best way to organize a big
> old disk chock full of different versions of linux so I
> can boot different ones?

Virtualisation?

James.

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Re: [OT] Free download of Linux Fromat for 24 hours

[Nigel Henry]

On Wednesday 04 March 2009 15:05, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 08:42:29PM +, Steve Searle wrote:
> > http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only

I havn't seen a Linux Format mag since I moved to France in Sept 2004. No 
money for the sub.

Seeing the link above, I thought, "that's worth going for". Clicked on the hi 
res download, only to find it was torrent, which I've never used before.

I had to go and collect bread, and other stuff on my bike at the local town, 
so sometime later, and back at the ranch, I fire up F10, which I know has 
Ktorrent on it. Click on "Help" in K torrent, but no help files. Doh! . I'm 
sort of used to this with KDE, although I use it all the time, but is 
annoying when you want to try a new app, but there is no info on how to use 
it.

Anyway, that aside, I see another app in KDE's Internet menu "Transmission". 
That may be a Gnome app, but at least it's got info on how to use it. I'm on 
dialup, but I drag the .torrent file into transmissions main window, and get 
the torrent downloading the file. I don't think there is a hope in hell of it 
running to completion before Linux Format remove the link, which is a shame, 
as it would have been nice to read a Linux Format mag again.

How do these torrent downloads work, for instance with this PDF download? Say 
for example If I get 90% of it downloaded, before I lose the torrent link. Am 
I likely to be able to open the PDF, and view some of the pages, or am I 
going to have all the pages, but bits and pieces missing from each of them?

I suppose whichever way this goes, I've learned a bit about torrent, and the 
next time I need to use it I'll be a bit more clued up.

Nigel.




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Re: Dual boot WinXP repair (maybe a little OT)

[Mauriat]

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Matthew Saltzman  wrote:
> So I installed WinXP on an old computer, then repartitioned with
> qparted.  I added a partition in front of the Windows one for /boot and
> one after for a LVM volume.  Then I installed F10.  I loaded grub in the
> boot record of the /boot partition and left the MBR alone.  I
> re-numbered the partitions so that /boot is sda1, Windows is sda2, and
> the rest is sda3.  There is no extended partition.
>
> Now WinXP won't boot.
>
> Is there a simple way to reconfigure the WinXP side so that its boot
> loader works again (without re-installing)?  I changed the boot.ini
> partition number, but that didn't help.

Just curious, what is the advantage of putting /boot before the XP partition?

Did you try booting the XP cd and using the recovery console?  I think
there are some commands for trying to fix the boot record.

-Mauriat

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Dual boot WinXP repair (maybe a little OT)

[Matthew Saltzman]

So I installed WinXP on an old computer, then repartitioned with
qparted.  I added a partition in front of the Windows one for /boot and
one after for a LVM volume.  Then I installed F10.  I loaded grub in the
boot record of the /boot partition and left the MBR alone.  I
re-numbered the partitions so that /boot is sda1, Windows is sda2, and
the rest is sda3.  There is no extended partition.

Now WinXP won't boot.

Is there a simple way to reconfigure the WinXP side so that its boot
loader works again (without re-installing)?  I changed the boot.ini
partition number, but that didn't help.

TIA.
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Re: Dual monitors KDE 4.2 - no panel, no keyboard focus

[Ron Siven]

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Michael Eager  wrote:

> Michael Eager wrote:
>
>> Hi --
>>
>> I have dual monitors using Nvidia Twinview.  I
>> have both displays working.  The primary display has
>> the panel, plasmoids, etc.  It seems to work OK.
>>
>> The secondary display only shows wallpaper.  Mouse
>> clicks on the screen are ignored.
>>
>> I can start a program on the second display by running
>> a command in the primary display: "DISPLAY=:0.1 konsole"
>> but this screen does not take keyboard focus.  Doing
>> the same with konqueror, the mouse works, but again
>> the keyboard is inactive.  Neither of these windows has
>> taskbars at the top, so they cannot be moved.
>>
>> Running GNOME, the dual display works OK, with both
>> screens active.
>>
>
> One correction:  I'm not running Twinview.  When I
> turn on Twinview in the nvidia-settings applet, I
> get a single X window over both monitors.  I want
> independent X sessions on each monitor.
>
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Have you seen this information?  It helped me.
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2#xorg.conf
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Re: Booting a gazillion linuxes?

[Tom Horsley]

On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:01:29 -0500
Marland V. Pittman wrote:

> On 3/3/2009 9:46 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> > Any recommendations for the best way to organize a big
> > old disk chock full of different versions of linux so I
> > can boot different ones
> Virtual Machine?

Nope. I want real hardware because my current vast array of
virtual machines is giving me very suspicious behavior and
I want a vast array of non-virtual machines to compare with :-).

I've pretty much decided my best bet is to just have a single
/boot partition and "dd" different individual /boot partition
copies into and out of the partition when I switch systems.

Of course I was also trying to make the primary system have
a very robust grub installation, so I spent a lot of time
reading about saved defaults and fallbacks in grub only to
discover that fedora's grub merely ships that in the info
file, but not in grub itself (sigh...)

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Re: Something Broke My Grub

[Seann Clark]

Michael Schwendt wrote:

On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 19:20:50 +, Dave wrote:

  

An hour ago I had a fully functioning machine. Now I just get the word
"GRUB" in the top left of the screen. Something has gone wrong in the
last hour or so.



Has happened to many people before:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/450143
 
  

Here's what I did.



You installed a "kernel" update, which runs /sbin/new-kernel-pkg
which in turn reinstalls GRUB via grubby. The kernel package is
not the culprit, however. Something at run-time has changed your
system environment in a way that confused the GRUB installation.
How exactly remains to be found out.

  

Has anyone else seen anything like this? And, more importantly, does
anyone have any suggestions of ways to fix it?



You need to reinstall GRUB just once more. Use rescue mode,
for example. I think above bz ticket gives hints.

  
Just to chime in, That advice is great 99% of the time, if that doesn't 
work, try SuberGrubDisk to rescue grub. A similar thing happened to me a 
while ago and I tried that a few times, but still had issues. I don't 
think you will need to do this, since my problem was impacted more by 
the change to the pata driver setup (my pata drives went from hd* to sd* 
and borked my systems a little) but it is a good tool to have for that 
rare just in case that the rescue mode doesn't work.



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Re: shrinking reiserfs partitions, filesystems

[Chris Tyler]

On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 10:45 -0800, jackson byers wrote:
> 
> I had thought that the size of a filesystem was just the amount
> of stuff in there as given by df in the Used column
> eg on my external usb /dev/sdc1  which is one large reiserfs partition
> [r...@bootp ~]# df -kh
> FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> ...
> /dev/sdc1 233G   16G  218G   7% /media/disk-1
> 
> so, to me that meant the "size of the filesystem" was given in Used =
> 16G
> but it now seems that is wrong? ie 
> "size of the filesystem" is actually the entire diskpartition =233G ?

Yes, in this case the filesystem is 233G, of which 16G is used.
Presumably the filesystem fills the partition.


> so if I want to shrink dev/sdc1 partition down to 50G
>  I must 
> 1) shrink the filesystem first using resize_reiserfs also to 50G ?
> 2) then use cfdisk to shrink the partition to 50G ?

Yes. However, you should be wary of rounding -- because the allocation
units vary between layers, it's best to:

1) shrink the filesystem down to a size somewhat smaller than the final
size desired, but larger than the space in use.

2) shrink the container (partition in your case, or logical volume if
using LVM) using one of the partitioning tools

3) grow the filesystem to fill the container


> If that is correct, will I retain or lose my current data in that 16G
> Used?

On a Good Day, you'll retain it. (Back up your data, of course: any data
put on a hard disk is guaranteed to be lost. The only question is
when!).


> Is it easier/better to use parted,gparted... for shrinking reiserfs
> partitions?

gparted is designed to handle filesystems as well as partitions, so a
single graphical tool can do it all. 

If this filesystem is in use, it can't be shrunk using current tools. If
it's not an essential-to-the-system filesystem (e.g., /data or
something) you can unmount it and resize it; if it's essential but not
the root filesystem (such as /home), you can boot into single-user mode
and work there; or you can, in all cases, boot from another medium such
as a CD or USB flash drive so the filesystem is not in use. The gparted
bootable disc (http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php) or a Fedora
live disc can be used for this (not sure if reiserfs tools are on the
Fedora live disc, though).

-Chris

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Re: My fedora freeze it

[Robin Laing]

Aldo Foot wrote:

On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Arthur Pemberton  wrote:

I can confirm a lot of freezes in F9 as well. They seemed to have
started 2 kernels ago.


On what type of system have you experienced the problem?
Do you continually have this problem or have you been able to fix it?
Does it happen randomly or when you're doing a particular thing?

~af



In my case, it is a computer that very happily ran F7 with no issues. 
F10 has been a fun situation.  My wife won't let me upgrade her computer 
until I can prove that F10 is better than her F7, and I need to get a 
copy of one of her favourite programs working in F10 first.  KXstitch.  :)


I have yet to try some of the tweaks that I have read about to get the 
desktop to run faster over services in the background but I have not had 
a full freeze in a few weeks now.


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Re: Something Broke My Grub

[Michael Schwendt]

On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 19:20:50 +, Dave wrote:

> An hour ago I had a fully functioning machine. Now I just get the word
> "GRUB" in the top left of the screen. Something has gone wrong in the
> last hour or so.

Has happened to many people before:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/450143
 
> Here's what I did.

You installed a "kernel" update, which runs /sbin/new-kernel-pkg
which in turn reinstalls GRUB via grubby. The kernel package is
not the culprit, however. Something at run-time has changed your
system environment in a way that confused the GRUB installation.
How exactly remains to be found out.

> Has anyone else seen anything like this? And, more importantly, does
> anyone have any suggestions of ways to fix it?

You need to reinstall GRUB just once more. Use rescue mode,
for example. I think above bz ticket gives hints.

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Re: Keyboard settings are lost after each reboot

[Paul Smith]

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 7:08 PM, phil  wrote:
>> Me too (keyboard reset to Arabic
>>
>> Thank goodness I found this (Google DOES have some purpose at times...)
>> :).  I thought I was the only one.  Yup, a recent upgrade completely wiped
>> away the UK keybard settings and reverts to Arabic after each
>> reboot/shutdown.
>>
>> As soon as there is an answer to this I guess it will appear here?
>>
>> I have just switched to Fedora from Ubuntu and am learning as I go here.
>>  Running XFCE desktop on an Acer Aspire One I use for work, excellently
>> portable for presentations, note taking etc.. but still looking for that
>> best suited distro, not convinced that Fedora is the one though.  Excellent
>> for servers and brilliant firewall stuff.
>>
>> I await an fix on this with anticipation.
>
> snip
>
>  i recently noticed this problem too, xfce F10, acer aspire one and
> resetting keyboard, but after the updates that were pushed in the past two
> days this has stopped happening. is it still happening to you?

Yes, the problem persists here.

Paul

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Something Broke My Grub

[Dave Cross]

An hour ago I had a fully functioning machine. Now I just get the word
"GRUB" in the top left of the screen. Something has gone wrong in the
last hour or so.

Here's what I did.

* Earlier today I ran a "yum update" which pulled in a new kernel. I
didn't reboot the system at that point.

* Later on I installed mediatomb and started playing with that.

* After a while I got bored and stopped the mediatomb daemon.

* At that point I realised that my network connection had dropped.

* I tried to restart the network, but it claimed that the device
(eth1) was already in use.

* So I decided to reboot. Kill two birds with one stone, try out the
new kernel and hopefully unstick the networking.

* At which point I discovered that something was broken in the GRUB
configuration.

I can boot the system using the rescue disk and everything seems ok
(as far as I can tell). So I think it's just something wrong with GRUB
- perhaps caused by today's kernel upgrade.

Has anyone else seen anything like this? And, more importantly, does
anyone have any suggestions of ways to fix it?

Thanks,

Dave...

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Re: Perl modules <---> Fedora RPMs (Test::More)

[Dave Cross]

2009/3/4 Reber, Simon :
> I suggest to download the tar.gz package from http://www.cpan.de and install 
> it using:
>        perl Makefile.PL
>        make
>        make install

Firstly, if you're going to point someone at CPAN then please use the
canonical URL (http://www.cpan.org/) rather than a national mirror.

Secondly, mixing RPM-installed modules and CPAN-installed modules in
the same Perl installation is a recipe for disaster. I strongly
recommend avoiding it whenever possible.

Dave...

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Re: Dual monitors KDE 4.2 - no panel, no keyboard focus

[Michael Eager]

Michael Eager wrote:

Hi --

I have dual monitors using Nvidia Twinview.  I
have both displays working.  The primary display has
the panel, plasmoids, etc.  It seems to work OK.

The secondary display only shows wallpaper.  Mouse
clicks on the screen are ignored.

I can start a program on the second display by running
a command in the primary display: "DISPLAY=:0.1 konsole"
but this screen does not take keyboard focus.  Doing
the same with konqueror, the mouse works, but again
the keyboard is inactive.  Neither of these windows has
taskbars at the top, so they cannot be moved.

Running GNOME, the dual display works OK, with both
screens active.


One correction:  I'm not running Twinview.  When I
turn on Twinview in the nvidia-settings applet, I
get a single X window over both monitors.  I want
independent X sessions on each monitor.

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Re: Perl modules <---> Fedora RPMs (Test::More)

[Dave Cross]

2009/3/4 "Stanisław T. Findeisen" :
> How can I know which RPM in Fedora release contains which Perl modules? In
> particular I want to install Test::More, but don't know where to look for
> that. :-/

I usually go and search for the module at http://search.cpan.org/.
That'll tell you which CPAN distribution contains the module. Then
it's just a case of translating the CPAN distribution name to an RPM
name.

For example, Test::More is included in the Test-Simple distribution.
The RPM name is therefore perl-Test-Simple.

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Re: Keyboard settings are lost after each reboot

[phil]

pgiffo wrote:

Me too (keyboard reset to Arabic

Thank goodness I found this (Google DOES have some purpose at times...) :).  I 
thought I was the only one.  Yup, a recent upgrade completely wiped away the UK 
keybard settings and reverts to Arabic after each reboot/shutdown.

As soon as there is an answer to this I guess it will appear here?

I have just switched to Fedora from Ubuntu and am learning as I go here.  
Running XFCE desktop on an Acer Aspire One I use for work, excellently portable 
for presentations, note taking etc.. but still looking for that best suited 
distro, not convinced that Fedora is the one though.  Excellent for servers and 
brilliant firewall stuff.

I await an fix on this with anticipation.



snip

 i recently noticed this problem too, xfce F10, acer aspire one and 
resetting keyboard, but after the updates that were pushed in the past 
two days this has stopped happening. is it still happening to you?


phil

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Re: Booting a gazillion linuxes?

[Marland V. Pittman]

On 3/3/2009 9:46 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:

Any recommendations for the best way to organize a big
old disk chock full of different versions of linux so I
can boot different ones

Virtual Machine?

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Dual monitors KDE 4.2 - no panel, no keyboard focus

[Michael Eager]

Hi --

I have dual monitors using Nvidia Twinview.  I
have both displays working.  The primary display has
the panel, plasmoids, etc.  It seems to work OK.

The secondary display only shows wallpaper.  Mouse
clicks on the screen are ignored.

I can start a program on the second display by running
a command in the primary display: "DISPLAY=:0.1 konsole"
but this screen does not take keyboard focus.  Doing
the same with konqueror, the mouse works, but again
the keyboard is inactive.  Neither of these windows has
taskbars at the top, so they cannot be moved.

Running GNOME, the dual display works OK, with both
screens active.


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Fedora Classroom Classes this weeknd!

[Kevin Fenzi]

Just thought I would remind everyone that we are going to be holding
some IRC Classes in the fedora classroom this weekend. 

Classes are held in #fedora-classroom on irc.freenode.net. 
Classes this weekend start at 18:00 UTC on both Saturday and Sunday. 

See: 

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom

for more details. We have some great looking classes lined up this time!

Also, we are always looking for teachers and suggestions for topics for
new classes. See the above wiki page to add a suggestion or just reply
to this email or mailing list thread. 

Hope to see a bunch of you there!

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Re: Text editor won't let me edit conf files. How do I?

[Rangeen Basu]

>> I'm not good at the command line (Just past newbie).  I try to edit .conf
>> files to set up samba but the text editor tells me I don't have
>> permission.  All of the system admin functions ask me for authorization
>> and then let me do whatever but not the text editor.  I have added the gdm
>> group to  the directories the gnome docs told me to (/run/gdm).  I have
>> added the gdm group to my user group profile.  How can I get a GUI text
>> editor to let me edit .conf files?
>
you can also use this command:

su -c 'gedit /etc/your_file.conf'
Password:

Give your root password when it asks.
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shrinking reiserfs partitions, filesystems

[jackson byers]

I am more than a little confused about the need to resize (shrink) a
filesystem
in addition to shrinking the partition


---from man resize_reiserfs
SYNOPSIS
   resize_reiserfs [ -s [+|-]size[K|M|G] ] [ -j dev ] [ -fqv ] device

DESCRIPTION
   The resize_reiserfs tool resizes an unmounted reiserfs file system.
It
   enlarges or shrinks an reiserfs file system located on a device

If the -s option is not specified, the filesystem will
   be  resized  to fill the given device.


 If  you  wish to shrink a reiserfs partition, first use resize_reiserfs
   to shrink the file system. You may then use  cfdisk(8)  to  shrink
the
   device.  When  shrinking  the  size of the device, make sure you do
not
   make it smaller than the reduced size of the reiserfs filesystem.
--- end man page---


I had thought that the size of a filesystem was just the amount
of stuff in there as given by df in the Used column
eg on my external usb /dev/sdc1  which is one large reiserfs partition
[r...@bootp ~]# df -kh
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
...
/dev/sdc1 233G   16G  218G   7% /media/disk-1

so, to me that meant the "size of the filesystem" was given in Used = 16G
but it now seems that is wrong? ie
"size of the filesystem" is actually the entire diskpartition =233G ?


so if I want to shrink dev/sdc1 partition down to 50G
 I must
1) shrink the filesystem first using resize_reiserfs also to 50G ?
2) then use cfdisk to shrink the partition to 50G ?

If that is correct, will I retain or lose my current data in that 16G Used?


Is it easier/better to use parted,gparted... for shrinking reiserfs
partitions?

there was one recent  msg on this list  from Mikkel I think
saying parted  can handle resizing both partitions and filesystems?
If that is right, it seems less chance for error compared to using two
separate tools.

One thing i found on google  a 2007 gparted manual
says  libreiserfs   is needed
Is there any way to get  libreiserfs  on my fc5 system?
There are apparently live cds,knoppix, gparted,...
 will these have everything needed including libreiserfs?

thanks for any help, pointers,
Jack
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Re: What are these yum plugins for ? (kmod-nvidia related)

[suvayu ali]

2009/3/4 Axel Thimm :
> Neither should the other plugins do, but at the very end you will only
> know for sure if you start disabling them one by one. Edit
>
> /etc/yum/pluginconf.d/*.conf
>
> and set
>
> enabled=0
>
> to disable the plugin(s) and try again.

or use yum --disableplugin=[plugin]

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Re: What are these yum plugins for ? (kmod-nvidia related)

[Axel Thimm]

On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 10:47:54AM -0700, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> What are the following yum plugins for ?
> 
> downloadonly, kmdl, priorities, refresh-packagekit
> 
> Could any of them interfere with my ability to "see" (ie yum list) the
> most recent kmod-nvidia package ?

kmdl is the plugin to make sure that future kernel updates will pull
in kmdl updates of kmdls you have installed. While there are nvidia
kmdls (which I highly recommend over kmods, but as a kmdl packager I
guess I count as biased ;) this plugin does not filter away anything.

Neither should the other plugins do, but at the very end you will only
know for sure if you start disabling them one by one. Edit

/etc/yum/pluginconf.d/*.conf

and set

enabled=0

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What are these yum plugins for ? (kmod-nvidia related)

[Linuxguy123]

What are the following yum plugins for ?

downloadonly, kmdl, priorities, refresh-packagekit

Could any of them interfere with my ability to "see" (ie yum list) the
most recent kmod-nvidia package ?

Thanks

LG

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Re: Clarification on roles of networking components.

[Robert Moskowitz]

Flaschen, Matthew S wrote:

If he has internal servers that local hosts need access to.



  
For example. If he is running an Netbios server and the clients need to 
access shares on it.



Right.

  
He does not want the world to know about this NAS, 



Obviously.

  

plus it probably has an RFC1918 address.



I would definitely recommend a local-only address for the local services.

  

So with a local BIND server, he would set up an Internal view.



He /could/ do that but you haven't said why he should.  If he wants his 
DNS/DHCP server connected to the outside internet, I would recommend he get two 
ethernet cards, eth0 and eth1, then configure dnsmasq to only serve on only the 
local interface.  Note that this doesn't require any DNS-specific 
configurations.  It is inherently simple and secure.

  
Perhaps he has an internal WiKi. I can go on with internal servers that 
need name resolution. 



I think he wants name resolution for all local hosts (why not?).

  
He can maintain all of this in hosts files on each 
client as he seems to have done, or he can run his own internal DNS 
server with an internal view. 



Nowhere do you say why the complexity of BIND is necessary.  He would be served 
very well (no pun intended) with a far simpler DNS implementation.


So your issue is not DNS, but rather the BIND implementation of DNS.

I have been working with BIND since '93. I have not spent any time 
looking at any other implementations of DNS


Go with whatever floats your boat.

Webmin DOES make working with BIND reasonable.


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Re: xfce 4.6.0 for F9

[Gianluca Cecchi]

On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:05:52 -0700 Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> F10 shouldn't be too bad.
>
> I do have a local repo here, but I haven't updated it yet to the 4.6.0
> final packages. Also, I haven't tried to rebuild all the plugins for
> F10.
>
> I can update that and let you know where the repo is if you want to
> test them?

Me too for f10.
Thanks,

Gianluca

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Re: FC10: Gnome/X focus broken after last update

[Michael Schwendt]

On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:44:39 +0100, Marco wrote:

> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/libgxim-0.3.2-4.fc10

> Unfortunately, the problem was not solved.

Consider leaving feedback at the page linked above.
Even if you don't have a Fedora account, you can add a comment.

I'm also test-driving this new libgxim currently. I reverted to the
bad libgxim, went to run-level 3 and returned to 5 to get a broken
xterm. Then I've upgraded to above pkg, init 3 and init 5 once more,
and it runs fine so far.

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Re: Clarification on roles of networking components.

[Flaschen, Matthew S]

> If he has internal servers that local hosts need access to.

> For example. If he is running an Netbios server and the clients need to 
> access shares on it.

Right.

> He does not want the world to know about this NAS, 

Obviously.

> plus it probably has an RFC1918 address.

I would definitely recommend a local-only address for the local services.

> So with a local BIND server, he would set up an Internal view.

He /could/ do that but you haven't said why he should.  If he wants his 
DNS/DHCP server connected to the outside internet, I would recommend he get two 
ethernet cards, eth0 and eth1, then configure dnsmasq to only serve on only the 
local interface.  Note that this doesn't require any DNS-specific 
configurations.  It is inherently simple and secure.

> Perhaps he has an internal WiKi. I can go on with internal servers that 
> need name resolution. 

I think he wants name resolution for all local hosts (why not?).

> He can maintain all of this in hosts files on each 
> client as he seems to have done, or he can run his own internal DNS 
> server with an internal view. 

Nowhere do you say why the complexity of BIND is necessary.  He would be served 
very well (no pun intended) with a far simpler DNS implementation.

Matt Flaschen

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Re: F10, keyboard screen switching doesn't work

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 04 March 2009, Gene Heskett wrote:
>Greetings;
>
>When I was running F8, there were many things available on my keyboard, such
>as the volume & mute control buttons on this logitech wireless keyboard
>actually worked, and I could switch screens with something like the alt+ (or
>ctl+ I forget which) F# key.
>
>This stuff no longer works on F10, so apps that use the whole screen like
>mythtv have to be stopped if the rest of the machine is to be usable.   How
>can these formerly very useful functions be restored for F10?
>
I think I found it, in system settings ->kvm.  Sorry for the noise.

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>by being declared to work.
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Fedora Classroom talk: Using the Windows cross-compiler

[Richard W.M. Jones]

  Date:   Sunday, 8th March 2009
  Time:   18:15 UTC [1]
  Location:   Virtual -- #fedora-classroom on irc.freenode.net
  Details:https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom#The_Current_Timeline
  Background: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Windows_cross_compiler
  IRC help:   https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo

A talk and interactive session, "Using the Windows cross-compiler":

  - API basics: POSIX, libc, Win32, gtk, Qt, etc.

  - Cross-compiler basics

  - Practical demonstration:
  setting up the cross-compiler in Fedora
  compiling a small Gtk program
  testing it in Wine
  building a Windows installer

  - Future directions (Win64, Mac OS X ?)

  - How to get involved

If you have root access to a Fedora 10 or rawhide install (i386 or
x86-64 only) you can follow along with the practical part.

Rich.

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F10, keyboard screen switching doesn't work

[Gene Heskett]

Greetings;

When I was running F8, there were many things available on my keyboard, such 
as the volume & mute control buttons on this logitech wireless keyboard 
actually worked, and I could switch screens with something like the alt+ (or 
ctl+ I forget which) F# key.

This stuff no longer works on F10, so apps that use the whole screen like 
mythtv have to be stopped if the rest of the machine is to be usable.   How 
can these formerly very useful functions be restored for F10?

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Re: Clarification on roles of networking components.

[Robert Moskowitz]

Matthew Flaschen wrote:

Robert Moskowitz wrote:
  Otherwise, you need a local BIND
  

server, use Webmin to maintain it.  I am very experienced with BIND, and
still use Webmin.



Why exactly do you think he needs BIND?


If he has internal servers that local hosts need access to.

For example. If he is running an Netbios server and the clients need to 
access shares on it. He does not want the world to know about this NAS, 
plus it probably has an RFC1918 address. So with a local BIND server, he 
would set up an Internal view.


Perhaps he has an internal WiKi. I can go on with internal servers that 
need name resolution. He can maintain all of this in hosts files on each 
client as he seems to have done, or he can run his own internal DNS 
server with an internal view. Webmin makes this relatively easy.




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