Re: DST, will Fedora change the time on the fly?

2009-03-08 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2009-03-07 at 22:02 -0800, Antonio Olivares wrote:
> Since Last year they changed the DST dates, they caused chaos and
> removed the traditional Last Sunday in March and Last Sunday in
> November

Same thing, here.  We can no-longer use a set of predictable rules, and
need to have pre-programmed dates.  The tzdata gets updated from time to
time, to accommodate changes such as these.  It's a fair bet that
changes to countries like the US are kept up with, with their large
number of users keeping an eye out for that sort of thing.  You can
check the changelog for your tzdata package for that sort of thing.

[...@suspishus ~]$ rpm -q --changelog tzdata|less
* Sat Jan 24 2009 Petr Machata  - 2009a-1
- Upstream 2009a
  - Fix Asia/Kathmandu spelling
  - Historical timestamps for Switzerland and Cuba
  - DST update for America/Resolute

* Fri Oct 31 2008 Petr Machata  - 2008i-1
- Upstream 2008i
  - Updates for Argentina: Drop DST in zones America/Argentina/Jujuy,
La_Rioja, San_Juan, Catamarca, Mendoza, Rio_Gallegos, Ushuaia; new
zone America/Argentina/Salta (for provinces SA, LP, NQ, RN).

...[snip]...

Yes, your computer will manage your date and clock by itself, if you
have the right timezone settings and data.  You shouldn't have any
problems, unless you dual-boot, and your other OS decides to do
corrections upon corrections.


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Re: f10 boot problem after soft. raid install

2009-03-08 Thread François Patte

rodolfoap  a écrit :


On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 00:10 +0100, François Patte wrote:

Bonsoir,

I have just made a fresh install of f10 using software RAID on two HD.

No problem.

I have two other disks which were unplugged during the install
process. After updating and completing the install, I plugged again
these two disks (on which are data from a former install) and now the
system doesn't boot (I even can't see grub screen)!
If I unplug the two drives, I can boot.

Maybe some bios issue.


That's right... plugging the two drives changed the boot order

Thanks


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Re: pulseaudio deeply unreliable (Fedora 10)

2009-03-08 Thread Steve Searle
Around 08:31pm on Saturday, March 07, 2009 (UK time), Nigel Henry scrawled:

> To disable it, simply do a, yum remove alsa-plugins-pulseaudio, which will 
> also remove kde-settings-pulseaudio package, if you are using KDE.

Thanks for this.  Having put up with stuttering sound on the PC I use to
play music on, I made the changes you suggested and that has sorted it.

For completeness I had to do the following:

# yum remove alsa-plugins-pulseaudio

Set sound to use ALSA.

$ gnome-sound-properties

Set Sound playback: under Sound Events, Music and Movies, and Audio
Conferencing to ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture.

$ gnome-volume-control

Under Preferences, select PCM. Change PCM's volume to an appropriate
level. 

This was for a SB Audigy soundcard.

This is a relatively low-spec machine - 1Ghz CPU and only 896Mb RAM,
but music performance was fine prior to this and is now fine again under
ALSA.  I will continue to use pulseaudio on my other machines, and will
give it further chances under future distros.

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Re: DST, will Fedora change the time on the fly?

2009-03-08 Thread Roberto Ragusa
Tim wrote:
> The tzdata gets updated from time to
> time, to accommodate changes such as these.  It's a fair bet that
> changes to countries like the US are kept up with, with their large
> number of users keeping an eye out for that sort of thing.  You can
> check the changelog for your tzdata package for that sort of thing.

Or directly ask the system how daytime is managed in your zone:

  zdump -v /etc/localtime

(or any other zone you are interested in)

  zdump -v /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Rome

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Re: Fed10 and recording quitar music thanks

2009-03-08 Thread johnbs

rodolfoap a écrit :

On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 11:12 +0100, johnbs wrote:
  
could somebody please give me the load down on recording quality 
music with Fedora 10? What programmes should I use, etc in fact 
everything!  



- http://linux-sound.org/ has an interesting collection of apps. 
- Install CCRMA repo, browse apps, there are wonderful

- my preferred:
for audio recording: audacity
effects: rakarrack
looping: sooperlooper (runs with sl-gui)
writing: denemo/nted
sequencing: rosegarden
rhythm machine: hydrogen
midi time machine: ardour (ardour is a full app, I use it only as a midi
time gen to sync it with sooperlooper and hydrogen)
others you will need: qjackctl, qsynth

  
My friends tell me I would have to quit Fedora and go to 
Windows : an idea which does not please me. 



Windows has some nice apps, linux has more, but not as mature as windows
ones (I can't find an advanced equivalent to finale, sometimes I use my
old finale 2007 over wine). Audio quality is excellent. I prefer working
with linux, due to the possibilities, I use an Axiom midi controller.

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Re: DST, will Fedora change the time on the fly?

2009-03-08 Thread Mike Chambers
On Sat, 2009-03-07 at 21:36 -0800, Antonio Olivares wrote:

> My concern is that the clock will be moved forward one hour, will it happen 
> by itself in Fedora or do I need to update a package like tzdata?

Woke up this morning and voila, the computers (linux and windows) were
the only things that changed by themselves.  I actually forgot about it
LOL

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Re: pulseaudio deeply unreliable (Fedora 10)

2009-03-08 Thread Richard Shaw
On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 3:03 AM, Raymond C. Rodgers  wrote:
> Raymond C. Rodgers wrote:
>>
>> I'm getting the stuttering, static, and crashes too, and periodically
>> something will happen with pulseaudio that results in thousands (at least)
>> of identical error messages appearing in /var/log/messages. I looked up the
>> error (I can't remember what it is off-hand) and the pulseaudio guys are
>> saying that it's a bug in alsa, and the alsa guys seem to be working on a
>> bug directly related to that error, but the symptoms of the bug they're
>> fixing don't match what I'm seeing with pulse...
>>
>> Frankly, I don't care where the hell the problem is, I just want my audio
>> working clearly and properly. I'll post the error message when I get a
>> chance, but even if alsa is the problem it doesn't explain why I've seen
>> pulseaudio die between the time I start it in a terminal window and the time
>> Banshee finishes loading so I can actually play some audio.
>>
>> Raymond
>
> The error message I mentioned above is:
>
> module-alsa-sink.c: ALSA woke us up to write new data to the device, but
> there was actually nothing to write! Most likely this is an ALSA dr
> iver bug. Please report this issue to the PulseAudio developers.
>
> Raymond

It's very possible that's that problem. I'm not a developer, but I
monitor the pulseaudio mailing list since it's still under heavy
development. No fixes here yet but the following copy of a message
might help explain the problem better:
---
On Fri, 27.02.09 16:09, Zhang, Xing Z (xing.z.zh...@intel.com) wrote:

> Hi Lennart:

Heya!

>   We met an issue when do a stress test on PA.
>   We play ~10 streams and do pause/resume on them at will. The PA 
> terminated after 2 ~ 5 minutes.
>
> Below are logs:
>
> E: alsa-sink.c: ALSA woke us up to write new data to the device, but there 
> was actually nothing to write! Most likely this is an ALSA driver bug. Please 
> report this issue to the ALSA developers. We were woken up with POLLOUT set 
> -- however a subsequent snd_pcm_avail_update() returned 0.
> W: ratelimit.c: 32 events suppressed
> N: alsa-sink.c: Increasing wakeup watermark to 40.00 ms
> N: alsa-sink.c: Increasing wakeup watermark to 80.00 ms
> Soft CPU time limit exhausted, terminating.
> E: cpulimit.c: Received request to terminate due to CPU overload
>
> It seems a configuration issue. Could you give some comments? thanks

Your sound driver is broken (as noted in the log messages above).

Some audio drivers do not implement snd_pcm_delay() and
snd_pcm_avail() correctly. e.g. intel-hda on some chips sometimes
overflows in snd_pcm_avail(). Since this call is used to determine how
much data PA must generate and write to the audio device an overflown
value usually means that PA will eat considerable CPU time to fullfill
humungous requests by the sound card. PA's CPU load limiter then
activates itself and terminates PA.

Also, as noted in log message the sound driver of yours very often
sets POLLOUT although there is nothing to write. That as well is a bug
in the sound driver. It causes PA to spin in its IO loop and results
on unnecessarily high CPU load.

Please make sure that your sound driver is fixed.

Also note the recent thread on alsa-devel about this.

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Re: DST, will Fedora change the time on the fly?

2009-03-08 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Antonio Olivares wrote:
> Dear fedora users,
> 
> I have a quick question about DST(Daylight Savings Time), I know
> that in the US, we will change the time Spring forward, Fall back
> 
> http://www.webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/b2.html
> 
> I am running Fedora 9 x86_64 at home
> 
> My concern is that the clock will be moved forward one hour, will
> it happen by itself in Fedora or do I need to update a package like
> tzdata?
> 
You shouldn't - the rules for calculating it were updated a coupe of
years ago...

> I don't update everything because I am on dialup and only update
> the kernel mostly. Maybe I will learn if this was changed
> automatically in the morning, but I do need to make sure I don't
> fall asleep when I need to head to work on Monday :)
> 
Considering that the change happens Sunday morning, you should see
it when you get up.

Just to add to your confusion, if your hardware clock is set to UTC,
it is not changed. Also, the system clock does not change. What
changes is the display of local time.

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Re: Fedora10, install WinXP in VMware-Player

2009-03-08 Thread Jim

Ed Greshko wrote:

Jim wrote:
  

FC10/KDE
I have VMware-Player-2.5.1-126130.i386 installed in Fedora 10, how do
I install WinXP into VMware ??



http://www.vmware.com/support/pubs/player_pubs.html

  
That location doesn't give me any info on howto install WinXP as virtual 
operating sys. in VMware-Player.

I already have VMware installed as guest in Fedora 10.

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Re: OpenOffice No Launch Icons

2009-03-08 Thread Carlos Alberto Alves

Alex Makhlin wrote:

Hi all,

I am running Fedora 10 KDE 4.2 and have just installed OpenOffice but I 
can't find the launch icons anywhere. Anyone know the answer?


Thanks.


Have you installed the rpm file inside "desktop-integration" folder?

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Re: Hardware upgrade -> Volume Group "VolGroup00" not found. [SOLVED]

2009-03-08 Thread Richard Shaw
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Richard Shaw  wrote:
> This is the second time this has happened to me. The first time was
> after a hardware upgrade on the computer I'm using right now, however,
> it was an F8 system so instead of preupgrade I decided a fresh install
> was in order, no big deal.
>
> This time it's with my Myth Box running F10 and if I don't fix this
> quickly the wife is going to kill me. Why does a hardware change (new
> MB) cause this problem? Shouldn't it be able to find the volume group
> regardless?
>
> In my previous situation a livecd could find the volume group but the
> installed system could not and I suspect the same will happen this
> time but I am creating a livecd just to be sure.
>
> Any troubleshooting ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
>
> Old System:
> AMD Sempron 64 3100+
> Cheap nForce3 MB
>
> New(er) system:
> AMD Athlon X2 5200+
> Gigabyte AMD 770 chipset. MB

Ok, the initrd was the culprit as both Mikkel and I suspected even
though I still don't know why the initrd I copied from my working
system which had identical hardware specs didn't work.

If you ever need to rebuild an initrd from a broken system using a
rescue disk or livecd/usb system there are a couple of things you need
to do before you can successfully build an initrd from a chroot
environment.

The plain chroot environment does not map things like /dev /sys /proc
which mkinitrd depends on. I'm not sure if every one of these steps is
absolutely needed but it worked for me. Also, I'm going to break the
steps down a lot for those that find their way here from google.

1. Boot livecd/usb system (rescue boot from an install CD/DVD should
work as well).
2. Open terminal or console and run "su" for root.
3. Mount your root partition or logical volume (in my case VolGroup00/LogVol00)
   3a. cd /mnt
   3b. mkdir sysimage
   3c. mount /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 ./sysroot
4. Mount your boot partition: (In my case /dev/sdb1)
   4a. mount /dev/sdb1 ./sysroot/boot

All the above I already knew, here is where it got interesting (and
frustrating getting to this point):

5. Mount w/ bind the /dev from your rescue system to your problem system
   5a. mount --bind /dev ./sysroot/dev
6. Go into the chroot environment
   6a. chroot sysroot
7. Mount /proc and /sys
   7a. mount /proc
7b. mount /sys
8. Now we should be ready to run mkinitrd
8a. cd /boot
8b. mkinitrd -v -f initrd-$(kver).img $(kver)  # where $(kver) is the
full kernel name (i.e. 2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10_x86_64) or something
like that

Make sure you update grub.conf if you use an initrd name that's not
already setup in it.

Some other thoughts about hardware upgrades:

Both machines I upgraded the ethernet changed to "eth1" but I'm not
sure where to get rid of the old settings but it's working so I may
leave it alone.

Maybe there could be some sort of hardware upgrade helper to help with
this process? It could install itself on your system as a rescue image
to help walk you though the process like preupgrade but for hardware.

Richard

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Brother QL-570 Desktop Labelling System Fedora10 Up?

2009-03-08 Thread Frank Murphy (Frankly3D)
Would following work?

http://www.labelzone.co.uk/viewProduct.aspx?bolBrand=True&product=EFC04C44-AE9E-4FDD-A2F5-4D114FDFC51D&category=23039C1C-5E6B-4E0D-99B8-48142D994793

or indeed any from:
http://www.labelzone.co.uk/brandSubCategory.aspx?department=%20%20Brother%20Label%20Printers&category=23039C1C-5E6B-4E0D-99B8-48142D994793&gclid=CJWK24HFk5kCFYQH3wodckX6Yw

Any experiences with label printers?

Frank

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Re: Hardware upgrade -> Volume Group "VolGroup00" not found. [SOLVED]

2009-03-08 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Richard Shaw wrote:
> 
> Some other thoughts about hardware upgrades:
> 
> Both machines I upgraded the ethernet changed to "eth1" but I'm not
> sure where to get rid of the old settings but it's working so I may
> leave it alone.
> 
Udev keeps tract of some hardware. It is mainly so things like
network interfaces and CD/DVD drives retain the same label when you
add new hardware. (It is a pain when you add another NIC, and it
becomes eth0...) You can fix it by deleting the
*-persistent-*.rules. For NICs, it is 70-persistent-net.rules.
Unless you transfered CD/DVD drives with the hard drives, you are
going to find that the CD/DVD symlinks are wrong as well.

> Maybe there could be some sort of hardware upgrade helper to help with
> this process? It could install itself on your system as a rescue image
> to help walk you though the process like preupgrade but for hardware.
> 
That sounds like a good idea. Maybe an option in the rescue mode to
rebuild the initrd image. Also a command in /sbin to delete the
persistent rules...

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Re: Hardware upgrade -> Volume Group "VolGroup00" not found. [SOLVED]

2009-03-08 Thread Richard Shaw
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson
 wrote:
> Richard Shaw wrote:
>>
>> Some other thoughts about hardware upgrades:
>>
>> Both machines I upgraded the ethernet changed to "eth1" but I'm not
>> sure where to get rid of the old settings but it's working so I may
>> leave it alone.
>>
> Udev keeps tract of some hardware. It is mainly so things like
> network interfaces and CD/DVD drives retain the same label when you
> add new hardware. (It is a pain when you add another NIC, and it
> becomes eth0...) You can fix it by deleting the
> *-persistent-*.rules. For NICs, it is 70-persistent-net.rules.
> Unless you transfered CD/DVD drives with the hard drives, you are
> going to find that the CD/DVD symlinks are wrong as well.
>
>> Maybe there could be some sort of hardware upgrade helper to help with
>> this process? It could install itself on your system as a rescue image
>> to help walk you though the process like preupgrade but for hardware.
>>
> That sounds like a good idea. Maybe an option in the rescue mode to
> rebuild the initrd image. Also a command in /sbin to delete the
> persistent rules...
>
> Mikkel

Thanks, I forgot about that. I had a similar thing happen when I
upgraded DVD burners and completely forgot about udev rules. Hmm...
along with a hw version of preupgrade maybe a udev device editor would
be nice too?

Richard

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Re: Hardware upgrade -> Volume Group "VolGroup00" not found. [SOLVED]

2009-03-08 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Richard Shaw wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson
>  wrote:
>> Richard Shaw wrote:
>>> Some other thoughts about hardware upgrades:
>>>
>>> Both machines I upgraded the ethernet changed to "eth1" but I'm not
>>> sure where to get rid of the old settings but it's working so I may
>>> leave it alone.
>>>
>> Udev keeps tract of some hardware. It is mainly so things like
>> network interfaces and CD/DVD drives retain the same label when you
>> add new hardware. (It is a pain when you add another NIC, and it
>> becomes eth0...) You can fix it by deleting the
>> *-persistent-*.rules. For NICs, it is 70-persistent-net.rules.
>> Unless you transfered CD/DVD drives with the hard drives, you are
>> going to find that the CD/DVD symlinks are wrong as well.
>>
>>> Maybe there could be some sort of hardware upgrade helper to help with
>>> this process? It could install itself on your system as a rescue image
>>> to help walk you though the process like preupgrade but for hardware.
>>>
>> That sounds like a good idea. Maybe an option in the rescue mode to
>> rebuild the initrd image. Also a command in /sbin to delete the
>> persistent rules...
>>
>> Mikkel
> 
> Thanks, I forgot about that. I had a similar thing happen when I
> upgraded DVD burners and completely forgot about udev rules. Hmm...
> along with a hw version of preupgrade maybe a udev device editor would
> be nice too?
> 
> Richard
> 
Well, you can edit the rules by hand. But it is just as easy to
delete them. Udev will the re-create them on boot for the new
hardware. The first NIC it finds will be eth0, the first CD/DVD with
be cdrom and cdrom0, etc...

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Re: DST, will Fedora change the time on the fly?

2009-03-08 Thread Antonio Olivares




--- On Sun, 3/8/09, Mike Chambers  wrote:

> From: Mike Chambers 
> Subject: Re: DST, will Fedora change the time on the fly?
> To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." 
> 
> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 6:12 AM
> On Sat, 2009-03-07 at 21:36 -0800, Antonio Olivares wrote:
> 
> > My concern is that the clock will be moved forward one
> hour, will it happen by itself in Fedora or do I need to
> update a package like tzdata?
> 
> Woke up this morning and voila, the computers (linux and
> windows) were
> the only things that changed by themselves.  I actually
> forgot about it
> LOL
> 
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It did it and I am very happy to find out when I woke up this morning.  Thank 
you all for assuring me that I needed to relax and things would be OK.

Regards,

Antonio 


  

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Re: DST, will Fedora change the time on the fly?

2009-03-08 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 08:20:42 -0700 (PDT)
Antonio Olivares wrote:

> It did it and I am very happy to find out when I woke up this morning.  Thank 
> you all for assuring me that I needed to relax and things would be OK.

As long as you don't multi-boot Windows, of course :-). I've never found
any combination of settings in Windows to make it not "fix" the system
clock (even when I tried to run Windows in timezone GMT, it still
decided it had to fiddle the system clock the first time I booted
after a DST change).

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Small SELinux issue with kdm and grub

2009-03-08 Thread Marko Vojinovic

Greetings everyone! :-)

This is not a big issue, but it annoys me every time I logout, so... Anyway, 
setroubleshoot says the following:

###
Summary:

SELinux is preventing kdm (xdm_t) "execute" to ./grub (bootloader_exec_t).

Detailed Description:

SELinux denied access requested by kdm. It is not expected that this access is
required by kdm and this access may signal an intrusion attempt. It is also
possible that the specific version or configuration of the application is
causing it to require additional access.

Allowing Access:

Sometimes labeling problems can cause SELinux denials. You could try to 
restore
the default system file context for ./grub,

restorecon -v './grub'

If this does not work, there is currently no automatic way to allow this 
access.
Instead, you can generate a local policy module to allow this access - see FAQ
(http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/selinux-faq-fc5/#id2961385) Or you can disable
SELinux protection altogether. Disabling SELinux protection is not 
recommended.
Please file a bug report (http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi)
against this package.

Additional Information:

Source Contextsystem_u:system_r:xdm_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023
Target Contextsystem_u:object_r:bootloader_exec_t:s0
Target Objects./grub [ file ]
Sourcekdm
Source Path   /usr/bin/kdm
Port  
Host  Yoda
Source RPM Packages   kdebase-workspace-4.2.0-8.fc10
Target RPM Packages
Policy RPMselinux-policy-3.5.13-46.fc10
Selinux Enabled   True
Policy Type   targeted
MLS Enabled   True
Enforcing ModeEnforcing
Plugin Name   catchall_file
Host Name Yoda
Platform  Linux Yoda 2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.x86_64 #1 SMP
  Mon Feb 23 13:00:23 EST 2009 x86_64 x86_64
Alert Count   3
First SeenSun 08 Mar 2009 02:49:39 PM CET
Last Seen Sun 08 Mar 2009 03:02:41 PM CET
Local ID  7b01f900-90de-434d-9587-f187d0fd0388
Line Numbers

Raw Audit Messages

node=Yoda type=AVC msg=audit(1236520961.646:18): avc:  denied  { execute } for  
pid=2486 comm="kdm" name="grub" dev=sda1 ino=905977 
scontext=system_u:system_r:xdm_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 tcontext=system_u:object_r
:bootloader_exec_t:s0 tclass=file

node=Yoda type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1236520961.646:18): arch=c03e syscall=21 
success=no exit=-13 a0=7fff95858a76 a1=1 a2=0 a3=7efefefefefefeff items=0 
ppid=1 pid=2486 auid=4294967295 uid=0 gid=0 euid=0 sui
d=0 fsuid=0 egid=0 sgid=0 fsgid=0 tty=(none) ses=4294967295 comm="kdm" 
exe="/usr/bin/kdm" subj=system_u:system_r:xdm_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 key=(null)
###

I have found ./grub to be /sbin/grub and tried to restorecon it, but the 
context seems to be what it should be.

So, does anyone understand what is going on and why?

Best, :-)
Marko



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Re: The Cube in FC10/KDE-4.2

2009-03-08 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Saturday 07 March 2009 19:40, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Saturday 07 March 2009 17:47:40 Jim wrote:
> > Is Desktop Cube  Default kde install ?
> > Or what do I need to install ?
>
> It's in the default install.  Open SystemSettings > Desktop and enable
> Desktop Effects.  Open the All Effects tab and scroll down to Window
> Management.  You can try various effects there for swapping windows, and
> Desktop Cube is one of them.

AFAICS, the KDE cube effect does not behave quite the same as Compiz cube. For 
example, I couldn't rotate it (using the mouse) more than 360 degrees. 
Further, if I have more than 4 desktops, it seems impossible to rotate even 
less than 360 degrees so some desktops seem inaccessible in a single step.

I also tried the cylinder and sphere, but they simply don't work for me, I 
always see the cube, no deformation at all.

Btw, why are KDE people competing with Compiz(-fusion) wrt desktop effects? It 
seems very unlikely (ie. hard) to provide equivalent functionality. Why not 
concentrate to make Compiz better integrated in KDE itself and use its own 
effects instead? Of course, it works very well even now, but I see no point 
on recreating the same effects in KDE --- if one wants them, one probably 
likes eye-candy, and will probably prefer Compiz effects over KDE effects 
anyway.

Of course, if the OP wants just the cube it's ok, but... :-)

Best, :-)
Marko

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Re: USB-SATA/IDE adapter on linux/Fedora?

2009-03-08 Thread James Wilkinson
L wrote:
> Has any one had good experience with USB-SATA/IDE adapter on
> linux/Fedora? if so, what is the brand? Most of these devises on
> markets is marked as workable on win or MAC. non mention of linux

Most of these use the USB “mass storage device class” standard, which
means they should Just Work in Linux, Windows (2000, ME and later) and
MacOS.

Hint: look for drivers for Windows XP and MacOS X. If they don’t exist,
they’re almost certainly Fedora compatible.

Hope this helps,

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Re: DST, will Fedora change the time on the fly?

2009-03-08 Thread David
On 3/8/2009 11:34 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 08:20:42 -0700 (PDT)
> Antonio Olivares wrote:

>> It did it and I am very happy to find out when I woke up this morning.  
>> Thank you all for assuring me that I needed to relax and things would be OK.

> As long as you don't multi-boot Windows, of course :-). I've never found
> any combination of settings in Windows to make it not "fix" the system
> clock (even when I tried to run Windows in timezone GMT, it still
> decided it had to fiddle the system clock the first time I booted
> after a DST change).


That is set on the timezone configuration page of the clock settings. A
check-box.

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Video editors

2009-03-08 Thread Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu
Hello All,

I have a bunch of VHS and 8mm tapes I'd like to convert to DVD or just
keep digital versions of on our home file server.  I've done this in the
past with Kino, which worked fairly well.

Since Kino is no longer under active development, and since it's missing
some features I'd like to have (e.g. AVCHD support), I've been looking
for a replacement.  Today I discovered kdenlive, and it looks pretty
sweet.  I want to try it out on my Fedora 10 x86_64 desktop, but it's
not in the Fedora repos.

The kdenlive website mentions a 3rd party repo, tigro, that has packages
for Fedora.  But, I'm a little weary of using a repo I've never heard
of.  It's located here: http://mirror.yandex.ru/fedora/tigro/ . Has
anyone used it before?

I saw a bugzilla entry for getting kdenlive into Fedora: the effort
appears to have stalled.  Does anyone know what's going on with this?

Regards,

Ranbir

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Re: DST, will Fedora change the time on the fly?

2009-03-08 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:02:34 -0400
David wrote:

> > As long as you don't multi-boot Windows, of course :-). I've never found
> > any combination of settings in Windows to make it not "fix" the system
> > clock (even when I tried to run Windows in timezone GMT, it still
> > decided it had to fiddle the system clock the first time I booted
> > after a DST change).  
> 
> That is set on the timezone configuration page of the clock settings. A
> check-box.

I know. I've checked that checkbox and unchecked that checkbox, and waited
6 months for a new DST change, and it has screwed up every time :-).
I have the ultimate solution now - I no longer multi-boot windows :-).

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Connecting to internet via Mac with internet sharing

2009-03-08 Thread Alex Bennee
Hi,

I'm currently visiting family in Oz. They have internet access but as
they only have one machine
it's plugged directly in the 1 port DSL box which seems to have
assigned a full inet IP (211.30.x.x).
I had hopped to turn the Mac into an access point connecting my fedora
netbook to it's AirPort.

The Airport is otherwise unused/un-configured. When I turn on
"Internet Sharing" it gives itself the
IP 10.0.2.1. I've tried this with WEP enabled and disabled. According
to ifconfig on the Mac the
interface is Active.

On the Fedora side I've tried just connecting with DHCP and with
manual configuration of IP but it
doesn't seem to get passed the wireless configuration. The log goes
(paraphrasing):

wlan0: scanning-> associating
wlan0: link timed out
Activation (wlan0/wireless): association took too long, failing activation
wlan0: device state change 5->9

Has anyone succeeded in getting this sort of setup to work? I'm
wondering if it only supports
Mac to Mac sharing by doing something special and secret?

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RE: install issue

2009-03-08 Thread Jim Douglas



> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 12:47:11 -0600
> From: thea...@sasktel.net
> Subject: Re: install issue
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> CC: jd...@hotmail.com
> 
> On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:09:01 +
> Jim Douglas wrote:
> 
> > It freezes after selecting the Languge nd clicking "Next"
> 
> That's a different problem from the one you originally described.
> 
> > I'll try the net install.
> 
> If you still have problems try a "text install".  There are also some other
> install options that you can pass on the commandline that may help depending 
> on
> what status and error messages you find on the other virtual terminals during
> your install.
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I can't even get to text mode with FC10.

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setting X server DPI

2009-03-08 Thread David Hláčik

Hello guys, how to configure X server's DPI on Fedora 10?

I have in gnome DPI set to 96DPI, but when i check Xorg.log i see that there 
is 75x75 DPI, which is the reason , why my fonts are so blurry.


Thanks for help,

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Re: setting X server DPI

2009-03-08 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
David Hláčik wrote:

> Thanks for help,
> 
96x96 should be the default. I don't know why it isn't. I have tried it on 
an old 1992 crt monitor and 96x96 worked splendidly, so I don't know what 
kind of archaic hardware the present default is set for.

To change, edit /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc and append ' -dpi 96' (no quotes, of 
course) to the ServerArgsLocal line.



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Installing Oracle 11g problem in Fedora 10.

2009-03-08 Thread GMS S

Getting information from here:

http://www.oracle-base.com/articles/11g/OracleDB11gR1InstallationOnFedora10.php

trying to install Oracle 11g.

But after 12% installation the progress bar of installation does not increase.

Waiting and waiting,

After ./runInstaller

[ora...@localhost database]$ ./runInstaller 
Starting Oracle Universal Installer...

Checking Temp space: must be greater than 80 MB.   Actual 5680 MBPassed
Checking swap space: must be greater than 150 MB.   Actual 2326 MBPassed
Checking monitor: must be configured to display at least 256 colors.Actual 
16777216Passed
Preparing to launch Oracle Universal Installer from 
/tmp/OraInstall2009-03-09_12-08-24AM. Please wait ...[ora...@localhost 
database]$ Locking assertion failure.  Backtrace:
#0 /usr/lib/libxcb-xlib.so.0 [0x9a0767]
#1 /usr/lib/libxcb-xlib.so.0(xcb_xlib_unlock+0x31) [0x9a0831]
#2 /usr/lib/libX11.so.6(_XReply+0x254) [0x9e6ee4]
#3 /tmp/OraInstall2009-03-09_12-08-24AM/jdk/jre/lib/i386/xawt/libmawt.so 
[0xa38abd3e]
#4 /tmp/OraInstall2009-03-09_12-08-24AM/jdk/jre/lib/i386/xawt/libmawt.so 
[0xa3895d47]
#5 /tmp/OraInstall2009-03-09_12-08-24AM/jdk/jre/lib/i386/xawt/libmawt.so 
[0xa3895ec3]
#6 
/tmp/OraInstall2009-03-09_12-08-24AM/jdk/jre/lib/i386/xawt/libmawt.so(Java_sun_awt_X11GraphicsEnvironment_initDisplay+0x26)
 [0xa3896106]
#7 [0xb27b7c4b]
#8 [0xb27b1b3b]
#9 [0xb27b1b3b]
#10 [0xb27af217]
#11 /tmp/OraInstall2009-03-09_12-08-24AM/jdk/jre/lib/i386/client/libjvm.so 
[0xb7908d8c]
#12 /tmp/OraInstall2009-03-09_12-08-24AM/jdk/jre/lib/i386/client/libjvm.so 
[0xb7a1cfd8]
#13 /tmp/OraInstall2009-03-09_12-08-24AM/jdk/jre/lib/i386/client/libjvm.so 
[0xb7908bbf]
#14 
/tmp/OraInstall2009-03-09_12-08-24AM/jdk/jre/lib/i386/client/libjvm.so(JVM_DoPrivileged+0x32d)
 [0xb796634d]
#15 
/tmp/OraInstall2009-03-09_12-08-24AM/jdk/jre/lib/i386/libjava.so(Java_java_security_AccessController_doPrivileged__Ljava_security_PrivilegedAction_2+0x3d)
 [0xb774a2cd]
#16 [0xb27b74eb]
#17 [0xb27b1a64]
#18 [0xb27af217]
#19 /tmp/OraInstall2009-03-09_12-08-24AM/jdk/jre/lib/i386/client/libjvm.so 
[0xb7908d8c]
Locking assertion failure.  Backtrace:
#0 /usr/lib/libxcb-xlib.so.0 [0x9a0767]
#1 /usr/lib/libxcb-xlib.so.0(xcb_xlib_lock+0x2e) [0x9a090e]
#2 /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 [0x9e6079]
#3 /usr/lib/libX11.so.6(XGetVisualInfo+0x26) [0x9dc246]
#4 /tmp/OraInstall2009-03-09_12-08-24AM/jdk/jre/lib/i386/xawt/libmawt.so 
[0xa3895089]
#5 /tmp/OraInstall2009-03-09_12-08-24AM/jdk/jre/lib/i386/xawt/libmawt.so 
[0xa38952d3]
#6 /tmp/OraInstall2009-03-09_12-08-24AM/jdk/jre/lib/i386/xawt/libmawt.so 
[0xa3895f71]
#7 
/tmp/OraInstall2009-03-09_12-08-24AM/jdk/jre/lib/i386/xawt/libmawt.so(Java_sun_awt_X11GraphicsEnvironment_initDisplay+0x26)
 [0xa3896106]
#8 [0xb27b7c4b]
#9 [0xb27b1b3b]
#10 [0xb27b1b3b]
#11 [0xb27af217]
#12 /tmp/OraInstall2009-03-09_12-08-24AM/jdk/jre/lib/i386/client/libjvm.so 
[0xb7908d8c]
#13 /tmp/OraInstall2009-03-09_12-08-24AM/jdk/jre/lib/i386/client/libjvm.so 
[0xb7a1cfd8]
#14 /tmp/OraInstall2009-03-09_12-08-24AM/jdk/jre/lib/i386/client/libjvm.so 
[0xb7908bbf]
#15 
/tmp/OraInstall2009-03-09_12-08-24AM/jdk/jre/lib/i386/client/libjvm.so(JVM_DoPrivileged+0x32d)
 [0xb796634d]
#16 
/tmp/OraInstall2009-03-09_12-08-24AM/jdk/jre/lib/i386/libjava.so(Java_java_security_AccessController_doPrivileged__Ljava_security_PrivilegedAction_2+0x3d)
 [0xb774a2cd]
#17 [0xb27b74eb]
#18 [0xb27b1a64]
#19 [0xb27af217]
[ora...@localhost database]$ 

Can anyone give the solution?



  

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Re: setting X server DPI

2009-03-08 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 11:44:44 -0600
Petrus de Calguarium wrote:

> To change, edit /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc and append ' -dpi 96' (no quotes, of 
> course) to the ServerArgsLocal line.

Which works only if you are using KDM and not GDM.

I've got a long rant on DPI one a website I'm working on
with all my linux info dumped. See:

http://braindump.home.att.net/dpi.html

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Re: DST, will Fedora change the time on the fly?

2009-03-08 Thread David
On 3/8/2009 12:34 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:02:34 -0400
> David wrote:

>>> As long as you don't multi-boot Windows, of course :-). I've never found
>>> any combination of settings in Windows to make it not "fix" the system
>>> clock (even when I tried to run Windows in timezone GMT, it still
>>> decided it had to fiddle the system clock the first time I booted
>>> after a DST change).  
>> That is set on the timezone configuration page of the clock settings. A
>> check-box.

> I know. I've checked that checkbox and unchecked that checkbox, and waited
> 6 months for a new DST change, and it has screwed up every time :-).
> I have the ultimate solution now - I no longer multi-boot windows :-).


That works too.  :-)

Seriously though I have to use Windows from time to time for work
related stuff and that check-box, left unchecked, has worked for me.

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Re: setting X server DPI

2009-03-08 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Tom Horsley wrote:

> I've got a long rant on DPI one a website I'm working on
> with all my linux info dumped. See:
> 
> http://braindump.home.att.net/dpi.html
> 
I have jumped most of those hoops, too.

I used to use gdm, but then it stopped having the server arguments option 
(and kdm got fixed), I discovered gnome's setting, but that doesn't help me, 
as a die-hard kde user, I used to have an nvidia card and rejoiced in the 
ability to nail my monitor's native resolution down fast, but now I use 
Intel and there is no longer an xorg.conf (I'm glad about that, and the 
dimensions one could set in xorg.conf never worked right anyway)...

I believe the font resolution you mention in kde's systemsettings is only 
for fonts (96 or 120), while the setting in kdmrc is for all displayed 
information.

I, too, wish that either X could detect a monitor's native resolution 
correctly automatically, or that one could easily set it system-wide.


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Re: Hardware upgrade -> Volume Group "VolGroup00" not found. [SOLVED]

2009-03-08 Thread Richard Shaw
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson
 wrote:
> Richard Shaw wrote:
>> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson
>>  wrote:
>>> Richard Shaw wrote:
 Some other thoughts about hardware upgrades:

 Both machines I upgraded the ethernet changed to "eth1" but I'm not
 sure where to get rid of the old settings but it's working so I may
 leave it alone.

>>> Udev keeps tract of some hardware. It is mainly so things like
>>> network interfaces and CD/DVD drives retain the same label when you
>>> add new hardware. (It is a pain when you add another NIC, and it
>>> becomes eth0...) You can fix it by deleting the
>>> *-persistent-*.rules. For NICs, it is 70-persistent-net.rules.
>>> Unless you transfered CD/DVD drives with the hard drives, you are
>>> going to find that the CD/DVD symlinks are wrong as well.
>>>
 Maybe there could be some sort of hardware upgrade helper to help with
 this process? It could install itself on your system as a rescue image
 to help walk you though the process like preupgrade but for hardware.

>>> That sounds like a good idea. Maybe an option in the rescue mode to
>>> rebuild the initrd image. Also a command in /sbin to delete the
>>> persistent rules...
>>>
>>> Mikkel
>>
>> Thanks, I forgot about that. I had a similar thing happen when I
>> upgraded DVD burners and completely forgot about udev rules. Hmm...
>> along with a hw version of preupgrade maybe a udev device editor would
>> be nice too?
>>
>> Richard
>>
> Well, you can edit the rules by hand. But it is just as easy to
> delete them. Udev will the re-create them on boot for the new
> hardware. The first NIC it finds will be eth0, the first CD/DVD with
> be cdrom and cdrom0, etc...
>
> Mikkel

Well since we're talking about a tool that doesn't exist yet, maybe
the yet to exist program hw-preupgrade could just clear all the system
specific rules out as a standard practice?

Richard

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Re: OpenOffice No Launch Icons

2009-03-08 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 10:46 -0300, Carlos Alberto Alves wrote:
> Alex Makhlin wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I am running Fedora 10 KDE 4.2 and have just installed OpenOffice but I 
> > can't find the launch icons anywhere. Anyone know the answer?
> > 
> > Thanks.
> >
Right click on a panel and choose: add to panel-> Application Launcher.
Click Forward and then choose: Office and +Add
An office related icon will be added to your panel.

Above is the Gnome way. KDE must have something similar.

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Re: blinking is evil

2009-03-08 Thread Nifty Fedora Mitch
On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 12:17:55PM -0600, Michael Hennebry wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Mar 2009, Nifty Fedora Mitch wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 09:38:35AM -0600, Michael Hennebry wrote:
>>> After updating to Fedora 9, I used vi on an old mailbox.
>>> Most of the header lines were blinking at me.
>>> What's going on?
>>> How do I make it stop?
>>> If I find the inventor of blinking text,
>>> how slowly should I kill him?
>>>
>>
>> You have to go back to before the invention of the VT-100 terminal
>> to discover the inventor of blinking text.
>
> Is he still dead?
>
>> I think the issue is the alias for vi
>> $ alias vi
>> alias vi='vim'
>
> Yup.
> I don't have a real vi.

>> # alias vi
>> -bash: alias: vi: not found
>> # which vi
.
> Turning off blinking generally would be a good thing.
> If I went through all the vim syntax files and removed all
> the blinks and use_blinks, would that do the trick for gvim?

It might be quicker to edit the terminal info file.
Last I checked terminfo hints can be local to your
account as specified by environment variables.

look at the man page for tic (terminfo compiler) and friends.


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removing autorun from a flash drive

2009-03-08 Thread Michael Hennebry

When I plugged in my first memory stick,
F9 told me two new devices had been plugged in:
TravelDrive and "U3 System Files".
The latter has an autorun.inf file on it.
I'm told that that is so when one plugs it into a Windows box,
it will do things to you.
I don't want it to do things to me.
I just want a flash drive that I can safely use to
transfer files between a linux box and a Windows box.
I don't want to be screwed or even wonder what happened
because I forgot to hold down the shift key long enough.

How do I get rid of autorun.inf or better yet, the partition it's on?
Why, when I do a mount -l, does the partition not show up?
Dolphin can find it.
TravelDrive shows up.
Some of the googling I've done suggests that there is no
way to get rid of autorun.inf without destroying the drive.

If I need a different drive, how, if at all,
do I recognize one without an autorun.inf?

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Re: USB-SATA/IDE adapter on linux/Fedora?

2009-03-08 Thread Linux Media

L wrote:

Hi,

Has any one had good experience with USB-SATA/IDE adapter on
linux/Fedora? if so, what is the brand? Most of these devises on
markets is marked as workable on win or MAC. non mention of linux

thanks

Y


I have a friend that has been happy with his, so I emailed him to get 
info on it. This is his reply:


Hi,

Yeah, mine has been absolutely reliable.  I happen to have it with
me...
[CUT]
The brick goes in the main pocket, the
actual USB-to-SATA/IDE part (with SATA cable) into the side
compartment.  There's also an adapter came with it that turns the
standard "old school" drive power plug into the newer SATA type power
plug, and a detachable SATA cable.

Lesse...well it says "Vantec" on it, has two green lights and a red
light.  Red says "USB", green on that side says "IDE/Busy", other
green light says "SATA" located near the end where the SATA port is.

Key thing here: the power brick is totally separate from the adapter
portion.  In some cases you don't need the brick, esp. with laptop IDE
drives.  I tried a setup where the cables to data and power merge, and
with a switch operating the power.  That was a complete and utter
turd.  Avoid.

What else...OH yeah: I also carry around a cable that lets me plug one
USB device (such as this thing) into a pair of PC/laptop/etc. USB
ports, wired to draw data and power from one, power from the other.
In a few cases this makes the setup more reliable.  It's quite rare
but it does happen where a drive needs more power than a computer is
providing on one USB port.  Laptop IDE drives are the most common
scenario.  This dual-port adapter cable was NOT part of the original
kit.

With that thing along, I'm pretty confident every drive I encounter
can be made to work if it's working at all.

Hope this helps!

Jim

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Re: Fedora10, install WinXP in VMware-Player

2009-03-08 Thread Kam Leo
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 6:48 AM, Jim  wrote:
> Ed Greshko wrote:
>>
>> Jim wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> FC10/KDE
>>> I have VMware-Player-2.5.1-126130.i386 installed in Fedora 10, how do
>>> I install WinXP into VMware ??
>>>
>>>
>>
>> http://www.vmware.com/support/pubs/player_pubs.html
>>
>>
>
> That location doesn't give me any info on howto install WinXP as virtual
> operating sys. in VMware-Player.
> I already have VMware installed as guest in Fedora 10.

Do you have an existing XP virtual machine instance to use with
VMplayer? That is, do you have .vmdk files on your hard drive for
VMplayer to open? If not, you are out of luck. As the name implies
VMplayer plays virtual machine clients. It can not create clients. You
need to install VMware Server or VMware Workstation in order to
create/configure a new virtual machine. You also need to have a
Windows XP CD to perform the installation of the OS. (Note: An ISO
image will also work. CD key is also required.)

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Re: Hardware upgrade -> Volume Group "VolGroup00" not found. [SOLVED]

2009-03-08 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Richard Shaw wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson
>>>
>> Well, you can edit the rules by hand. But it is just as easy to
>> delete them. Udev will the re-create them on boot for the new
>> hardware. The first NIC it finds will be eth0, the first CD/DVD with
>> be cdrom and cdrom0, etc...
>>
>> Mikkel
> 
> Well since we're talking about a tool that doesn't exist yet, maybe
> the yet to exist program hw-preupgrade could just clear all the system
> specific rules out as a standard practice?
> 
> Richard
> 
It would be easy enough to do.

rm /etc/udev/rules.d/*-persistent-*.rules

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Re: The Cube in FC10/KDE-4.2

2009-03-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> Btw, why are KDE people competing with Compiz(-fusion) wrt desktop
> effects?

Because Compiz is competing with KWin wrt. window management and not doing
an all that good job at it.

> It seems very unlikely (ie. hard) to provide equivalent functionality.

It's even harder to provide equivalent functionality to what KWin does.

> Why not concentrate to make Compiz better integrated in KDE itself and use
> its own effects instead? Of course, it works very well even now, but I see
> no point on recreating the same effects in KDE --- if one wants them, one
> probably likes eye-candy, and will probably prefer Compiz effects over KDE
> effects anyway. 

http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/KWin/4.0-release-notes#Why_not_Compiz.3F

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Re: pulseaudio deeply unreliable (Fedora 10)

2009-03-08 Thread Nigel Henry
On Sunday 08 March 2009 18:38, Antti J. Huhtala wrote:
> Hello Nigel,
>
> could/would you please stop advertising "remove pulseaudio" as the
> panacea for all audio-related problems? Please? It is not as simple as
> that.
> I've been with Fedora since FC4 in June, 2005. I've had my share of
> "snap, crackle and pop" type audio problems and, if I'm not mistaken,
> you and I have exchanged a couple of posts around the subject.
>
> I have now an F9 system with one MOBO sound card that utilises the
> snd_intel8x0 module, an additional Ensoniq ES 1371 (CT-4810) sound card,
> and C-media USB Headphones. I want and need to be able to use all of
> them.
>
> In my present system, every audio application works flawlessly from
> "hearing what and how you want" point of view - and I'm using PulseAudio
> all the time. "Many moons ago" I was also dissatisfied with the
> emergency of PA (and there *were* bugs when it first appeared on
> Fedora). Now I'm very pleased with it, and I'll tell you why.
>
> I've temporarily installed another sound card, an SB Live!, into my box.
> Pulseaudio lets me direct the audio stream to any of the three, ie. USB
> headphones, the Ensonic card, or the SB card. (It seems like the mobo
> sound card is always disabled when an external sound card is installed.)
> Anyway, the fact that I can arbitrarily choose which sound card will be
> used to output the sound is something I could not achieve with ALSA.
>
> To me, PulseAudio was a definite improvement over ALSA - for my purposes
> anyway. Therefore, I'd like to recommend that you wouldn't be too eager
> to suggest removing PulseAudio to anyone with sound problems. For some
> of us, PulseAudio - if and when it works impeccably - is indeed an
> improvement.
>
> I understand that you are a friendly sort of chap who wants to help
> others. However, helping people to get their PulseAudio work might be a
> better way of solving their audio problems than single-mindedly
> suggesting them they should remove PA.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Antti

I do not advocate the removal of pulseaudio to resolve all audio problems.

When I see audio related probelms, which may,or may not be related to 
pulseaudio, I suggest disabling pulseaudio to see if that resolves the audio 
problem, and that's as far as it goes. if disabling pulseaudio resolves a 
sound related problem, then all well and good.

If the user now has his/her sounds working, that is all that I'm trying to 
help with. Personally I have no interest in pulseaudio, as on all my 3 
machines the sound works without pulseaudio entering the equation.

I will continue to try and help folks with sound related problems. I do not 
believe that pulseaudio is necessary for sounds to work, and sounds worked 
with Alsa long before pulseaudio existed (FC1).

No doubt this will start some flame or other, but is the way I answer sound 
related problems, whether on Fedora, Debian, or Kubuntu/Ubuntu lists. So so 
be it.

Nigel.

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Re: Small SELinux issue with kdm and grub

2009-03-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> So, does anyone understand what is going on and why?

You cannot use the KDM bootloader integration with SELinux. It is disabled
by default for a reason. The SELinux policy maintainers do not want to
allow this by default for security reasons, so you have only 4 options:
* disable SELinux entirely,
* set SELinux to permissive,
* use audit2allow to create a custom SELinux policy to allow this or
* just turn that feature off in KDM.

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Re: pulseaudio deeply unreliable (Fedora 10)

2009-03-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Nigel Henry wrote:
> If the user now has his/her sounds working, that is all that I'm trying to
> help with. Personally I have no interest in pulseaudio, as on all my 3
> machines the sound works without pulseaudio entering the equation.

Try playing sound from 2 or more apps at once on hardware with no hardware
mixing (or with hardware mixing not supported by the ALSA driver), it just
won't work without PulseAudio (or dmix, which has its own share of
compatibility problems).
 
> I will continue to try and help folks with sound related problems. I do
> not believe that pulseaudio is necessary for sounds to work, and sounds
> worked with Alsa long before pulseaudio existed (FC1).

See above. Back in FC1 when we didn't even have dmix by default, it just
didn't work. Play sound in one app and all others will error saying they
can't access the sound device.

> No doubt this will start some flame or other, but is the way I answer
> sound related problems, whether on Fedora, Debian, or Kubuntu/Ubuntu
> lists. So so be it.

Sorry, but Fedora uses PulseAudio by default, and it does so for a reason.
You're giving out bad advice and telling people to use an unsupported
configuration. (In fact when they ask me to help with their sound problems
the first thing I'll tell them is to make sure PulseAudio is installed.)

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Re: Small SELinux issue with kdm and grub

2009-03-08 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Sunday 08 March 2009 23:16, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> > So, does anyone understand what is going on and why?
>
> You cannot use the KDM bootloader integration with SELinux. It is disabled
> by default for a reason. The SELinux policy maintainers do not want to
> allow this by default for security reasons, so you have only 4 options:
> * disable SELinux entirely,
> * set SELinux to permissive,
> * use audit2allow to create a custom SELinux policy to allow this or
> * just turn that feature off in KDM.

I don't understand the last point. What is the feature of KDM that you talk 
about? I don't remember enabling any specific feature of KDM other than 
autologin. Is that it?

:-)
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Re: pulseaudio deeply unreliable (Fedora 10)

2009-03-08 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 23:23 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:

> Sorry, but Fedora uses PulseAudio by default, and it does so for a reason.
> You're giving out bad advice and telling people to use an unsupported
> configuration. (In fact when they ask me to help with their sound problems
> the first thing I'll tell them is to make sure PulseAudio is installed.)

when the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
Those that seemed to think they got things working under alsa don't want
to have to learn something else.

Craig

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Re: USB-SATA/IDE adapter on linux/Fedora?

2009-03-08 Thread Wayne Feick
I'll second that. I have a couple Vantec NexStar 3 enclosures (2.5",
eSATA/USB) that I've been happy with. They were just shy of $30 each.

I've tried other brands in the past as well, and never had a problem
with Linux.

Wayne.


On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 14:12 -0700, Linux Media wrote:

> L wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Has any one had good experience with USB-SATA/IDE adapter on
> > linux/Fedora? if so, what is the brand? Most of these devises on
> > markets is marked as workable on win or MAC. non mention of linux
> > 
> > thanks
> > 
> > Y
> 
> I have a friend that has been happy with his, so I emailed him to get 
> info on it. This is his reply:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yeah, mine has been absolutely reliable.  I happen to have it with
> me...
> [CUT]
> The brick goes in the main pocket, the
> actual USB-to-SATA/IDE part (with SATA cable) into the side
> compartment.  There's also an adapter came with it that turns the
> standard "old school" drive power plug into the newer SATA type power
> plug, and a detachable SATA cable.
> 
> Lesse...well it says "Vantec" on it, has two green lights and a red
> light.  Red says "USB", green on that side says "IDE/Busy", other
> green light says "SATA" located near the end where the SATA port is.
> 
> Key thing here: the power brick is totally separate from the adapter
> portion.  In some cases you don't need the brick, esp. with laptop IDE
> drives.  I tried a setup where the cables to data and power merge, and
> with a switch operating the power.  That was a complete and utter
> turd.  Avoid.
> 
> What else...OH yeah: I also carry around a cable that lets me plug one
> USB device (such as this thing) into a pair of PC/laptop/etc. USB
> ports, wired to draw data and power from one, power from the other.
> In a few cases this makes the setup more reliable.  It's quite rare
> but it does happen where a drive needs more power than a computer is
> providing on one USB port.  Laptop IDE drives are the most common
> scenario.  This dual-port adapter cable was NOT part of the original
> kit.
> 
> With that thing along, I'm pretty confident every drive I encounter
> can be made to work if it's working at all.
> 
> Hope this helps!
> 
> Jim
> 
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Re: Small SELinux issue with kdm and grub

2009-03-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> I don't understand the last point. What is the feature of KDM that you
> talk about? I don't remember enabling any specific feature of KDM other
> than autologin. Is that it?

In the 5th tab of the KDM options, there's an option to set your boot
loader, it should be set to "None" (which is what we set it to by default).
If you set it to GRUB, KDM will try to talk to GRUB and SELinux will block
it.

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F10 updates breaking things

2009-03-08 Thread Clodoaldo Pinto Neto
Last 3 or 4 updates were a disaster. First desktop effects stopped
working and still don't work. Then the keyboard was misconfigured. I
reconfigured, restarted and it kind of worked but sometimes it forgets
it is correctly configured. And in the last update sound is gone.
Tried some things without success.

Is there a deliberate plan to break it all?

Regards, Clodoaldo

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Re: DST, will Fedora change the time on the fly?

2009-03-08 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 15:10 -0400, David wrote:
> On 3/8/2009 12:34 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> > On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:02:34 -0400
> > David wrote:
> 
> >>> As long as you don't multi-boot Windows, of course :-). I've never found
> >>> any combination of settings in Windows to make it not "fix" the system
> >>> clock (even when I tried to run Windows in timezone GMT, it still
> >>> decided it had to fiddle the system clock the first time I booted
> >>> after a DST change).  
> >> That is set on the timezone configuration page of the clock settings. A
> >> check-box.
> 
> > I know. I've checked that checkbox and unchecked that checkbox, and waited
> > 6 months for a new DST change, and it has screwed up every time :-).
> > I have the ultimate solution now - I no longer multi-boot windows :-).
> 
> 
> That works too.  :-)
> 
> Seriously though I have to use Windows from time to time for work
> related stuff and that check-box, left unchecked, has worked for me.

You still need to be careful.  Here's how I understand things working:

  * If Fedora is set to local time and running at the DST change, it
will change the time, and save the new time to the hardware
clock on shutdown/reboot.
  * If Fedora is set to local time and not running at the DST
change, it will read the hardware clock on boot, which will be
wrong if you didn't change it manually or Windows didn't adjust
it.
  * If Fedora is set to UTC, it will keep the hardware clock in UTC
and do the right thing with respect to DST whether it was
running or not.
  * So if you set your hardware clock to local time and Windows is
running at DST or is the first OS you boot after DST with the
machine off, the clock will be updated (or not) according to the
Windows setting, then Linux will not adjust when you boot it.
So depending on what OS is running at the change, what OS is
booted first after the change, and what setting the hardware
clock has, you can end up anywhere from 0 to 2 hours off forward
or backward after the change.

I boot Windows rarely, so I like the following strategy:

I have the hardware clock (and Linux) set to UTC.  I have the Windows
timezone set to GMT with the DST conversion turned off.  (You need to do
this for *every* windows user!)  Then Linux always does the right thing,
and Windows always leaves the clock alone.  And file timestamps are
always correct in both systems, in case you cross-mount filesystems.

The only disadvantage is that when Windows is running, it displays GMT
with no DST adjustment.  So you need to adjust the clock mentally or
wear a watch (or carry a phone or PDA).

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Re: pulseaudio deeply unreliable (Fedora 10)

2009-03-08 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:23:33 +0100
Kevin Kofler wrote:

> Try playing sound from 2 or more apps at once on hardware with no hardware
> mixing (or with hardware mixing not supported by the ALSA driver), it just
> won't work without PulseAudio (or dmix, which has its own share of
> compatibility problems).

Then try making sense out of 2 or more apps playing at once and
wonder why anyone cares if it works or not.

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Re: pulseaudio deeply unreliable (Fedora 10)

2009-03-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Tom Horsley wrote:
> Then try making sense out of 2 or more apps playing at once and
> wonder why anyone cares if it works or not.

One common case: music in the background; system sounds, incoming e-mail /
IM / VoIP call alert, game sounds (game without background music) etc. in
the foreground.

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Re: DST, will Fedora change the time on the fly?

2009-03-08 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 20:37 +1030, Tim wrote:
> It's a fair bet that
> changes to countries like the US are kept up with, with their large
> number of users keeping an eye out for that sort of thing.  You can
> check the changelog for your tzdata package for that sort of thing.

On Jan 1, 2008 Venezuela changed its timezone from UTC-0400 to UTC-0430.
Fedora was on the ball and adjusted pretty quickly, likewise Windows,
however Firefox had an interesting Javascript bug:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=411726 initially reported
on MacOS X but later confirmed on Fedora 8. It took about a year to fix.

IOW, even though the platform gets it right, some apps may still get it
wrong because of hidden assumptions, e.g. that timezones are always
integral numbers of hours away from UTC.

poc

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Re: DST, will Fedora change the time on the fly?

2009-03-08 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:02:49 -0400
Matthew Saltzman wrote:

> I have the hardware clock (and Linux) set to UTC.  I have the Windows
> timezone set to GMT with the DST conversion turned off.  (You need to do
> this for *every* windows user!)  Then Linux always does the right thing,
> and Windows always leaves the clock alone.  And file timestamps are
> always correct in both systems, in case you cross-mount filesystems.

That is definitely what I tried to do several times, and Windows
still insisted on changing the time out from under me. I gave
up trying to understand why. Maybe some stupid service somewhere
"just knew" I ought to have DST adjustment turned on and helpfully
put it back or something. Windows time keeping was doomed from the
moment they decided the hardware clock should keep local time anyway.

Also as bad as the original Palm OS, a system designed almost exclusively
for keeping track of appointments, having no DST support at all :-).

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Re: DST, will Fedora change the time on the fly?

2009-03-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> I have the hardware clock (and Linux) set to UTC.  I have the Windows
> timezone set to GMT with the DST conversion turned off.  (You need to do
> this for *every* windows user!)  Then Linux always does the right thing,
> and Windows always leaves the clock alone.  And file timestamps are
> always correct in both systems, in case you cross-mount filesystems.
> 
> The only disadvantage is that when Windows is running, it displays GMT
> with no DST adjustment.  So you need to adjust the clock mentally or
> wear a watch (or carry a phone or PDA).

There's actually an option somewhere in the registry to make Winblow$ use
UTC for the hardware clock while still displaying the local time. It's
hidden because some broken apps don't work properly with that setting.

Kevin Kofler

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Re: F10 updates breaking things

2009-03-08 Thread rodolfoap
On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 19:40 -0300, Clodoaldo Pinto Neto wrote:
> Is there a deliberate plan to break it all?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

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Re: F10 updates breaking things

2009-03-08 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 19:40 -0300, Clodoaldo Pinto Neto wrote:
> Last 3 or 4 updates were a disaster. First desktop effects stopped
> working and still don't work. Then the keyboard was misconfigured. I
> reconfigured, restarted and it kind of worked but sometimes it forgets
> it is correctly configured. And in the last update sound is gone.
> Tried some things without success.
> 
> Is there a deliberate plan to break it all?

Yes, you've won $500,000.00 for discovering it. Just send us your bank
account details and a $1,000 for administrative fees and the money is
yours.

poc

PS I hope you realize that you've said absolutely nothing about your
system that would enable anyone to help you, such as the Fedora version,
some hardware details (video card, whether the keyboard is USB, etc.).
And what does "tried some things" mean?

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Re: pulseaudio deeply unreliable (Fedora 10)

2009-03-08 Thread Sharpe, Sam J
2009/3/8 Tom Horsley :
> On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:23:33 +0100
> Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> Try playing sound from 2 or more apps at once on hardware with no hardware
>> mixing (or with hardware mixing not supported by the ALSA driver), it just
>> won't work without PulseAudio (or dmix, which has its own share of
>> compatibility problems).
> Then try making sense out of 2 or more apps playing at once and
> wonder why anyone cares if it works or not.

Case 1)
I normally play really really loud Metal or watch American crime
dramas to drown out the chatterboxes in my office. I want to hear the
pings of a new IM coming in, because it usually means something
significant server-wise.

Case 2)
I want to hear my VOIP phone ringing over the perfect noise of Rammstein.

and that's just me... there must be thousands of other legitimate use cases!

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Re: DST, will Fedora change the time on the fly?

2009-03-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Jan 1, 2008 Venezuela changed its timezone from UTC-0400 to UTC-0430.
> Fedora was on the ball and adjusted pretty quickly, likewise Windows,
> however Firefox had an interesting Javascript bug:
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=411726 initially reported
> on MacOS X but later confirmed on Fedora 8. It took about a year to fix.
> 
> IOW, even though the platform gets it right, some apps may still get it
> wrong because of hidden assumptions, e.g. that timezones are always
> integral numbers of hours away from UTC.

If that had been the problem, it would have been already broken for India.
But looking at the bug report, the problem might atually have been more
complicated than that, because the problem was also reported for a timezone
with an integral offset (Georgetown - Guyana).

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Re: F10 updates breaking things

2009-03-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Yes, you've won $500,000.00 for discovering it. Just send us your bank
> account details and a $1,000 for administrative fees and the money is
> yours.

LOL, but I hope you *do* realize that such a scam is a crime and that I'm
not sure law enforcement will have much sympathy for the "it was just a
joke" defense.

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Re: DST, will Fedora change the time on the fly?

2009-03-08 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 00:27 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Jan 1, 2008 Venezuela changed its timezone from UTC-0400 to UTC-0430.
> > Fedora was on the ball and adjusted pretty quickly, likewise Windows,
> > however Firefox had an interesting Javascript bug:
> > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=411726 initially reported
> > on MacOS X but later confirmed on Fedora 8. It took about a year to fix.
> > 
> > IOW, even though the platform gets it right, some apps may still get it
> > wrong because of hidden assumptions, e.g. that timezones are always
> > integral numbers of hours away from UTC.
> 
> If that had been the problem, it would have been already broken for India.
> But looking at the bug report, the problem might atually have been more
> complicated than that, because the problem was also reported for a timezone
> with an integral offset (Georgetown - Guyana).

Yes, I meant that last as a general observation rather than a comment on
the specific bug.

poc

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Re: F10 updates breaking things

2009-03-08 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 00:29 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > Yes, you've won $500,000.00 for discovering it. Just send us your bank
> > account details and a $1,000 for administrative fees and the money is
> > yours.
> 
> LOL, but I hope you *do* realize that such a scam is a crime and that I'm
> not sure law enforcement will have much sympathy for the "it was just a
> joke" defense.

They'll have a hard time catching me here (if it's even me talking :-)

poc

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Help out with the Fedora Crawler

2009-03-08 Thread Renich Bon Ciric
Hola, Fedorans!

I need some help maintaining the Fedora Crawler. This is a custom google
search engine that looks into specific fedora sites so, for Fedorans, it's
great for looking for help. You can add it to your iGoogle or your Firefox
search, etc.

Anyway, I'm sure we could make it better if some contributors stepped in.
It's not hard to manage.

I'll include this custom Google invitation if you want to join.

Renich Bon Ciric has invited you to contribute to their custom search
engine: Fedora Crawler.

To accept this invitation and register for your account, visit
http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=011057779923588025604%3Aakrqpglozlu

In addition to contributing to other people's search engines, you can also
build and deploy a search engine on your own website in a matter of a few
minutes using Google Custom Search. If you're interested in creating your
own search engine, click here to get started
.

To view all of the search engines you have created or are contributing to,
you can visit your My search
enginespage.

Thanks,

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Re: F10 updates breaking things

2009-03-08 Thread Alan Cox
> PS I hope you realize that you've said absolutely nothing about your
> system that would enable anyone to help you, such as the Fedora version,
> some hardware details (video card, whether the keyboard is USB, etc.).
> And what does "tried some things" mean?

Keyboard stuff has a bug in bugzilla if you search and a workaround, so
its known but not yet fixed. Very annoying bug, shouldn't have gotten
past the developer (but shouldn't have gotten past testing either which
isn't the developers fault ...)

Alan

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Re: The Cube in FC10/KDE-4.2

2009-03-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> Btw, why are KDE people competing with Compiz(-fusion) wrt desktop
> effects? It seems very unlikely (ie. hard) to provide equivalent
> functionality. Why not concentrate to make Compiz better integrated in KDE
> itself and use its own effects instead? Of course, it works very well even
> now, but I see no point on recreating the same effects in KDE --- if one
> wants them, one probably likes eye-candy, and will probably prefer Compiz
> effects over KDE effects anyway.

FYI, this is now also covered under:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/KDE4FAQ#compiz

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Rogue package

2009-03-08 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner


   I have an FC10 system that has kernel-2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i586 
installed, yet yum nor rpm seem to think it is.  It's in grub.conf, 
there are files in /usr/src/kernels/ pertaining to it ... but I can't 
remove it.


   The system is running kernel-2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.i686 so I don't 
need the other one.  How do I go about instructing yum that it's 
installed and to remove it, if it tells me the package isn't installed?


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Fedora Upgrade 8 > 10 Login problem

2009-03-08 Thread Jim

Upgrade Fedora/KDE 8 > 10.

Bootup, It gets to Login Window, select User, add password, starts to go 
into KDE desktop, but comes back to login Window.  It has no problems 
with User name or Password.


I select "Console Login", login at Console: username, password and I'am 
in console as "user".

I then do a  "startx" in user and it takes me into KDE desktop.

What is my problem trying to Login at Login Window ?

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Re: Fedora Upgrade 8 > 10 Login problem

2009-03-08 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 20:18:39 -0400
Jim wrote:

> What is my problem trying to Login at Login Window ?

Could be something that changed incompatibly in the zillions
of ~/. files and directories.

I always try creating a brand new user in these situations
and seeing if the new user can login OK. If that works,
it then becomes a game hunting for which files have the
incompatible stuff in them that make your user exit.

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Re: Rogue package

2009-03-08 Thread Richard England

Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:


   I have an FC10 system that has kernel-2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i586 
installed, yet yum nor rpm seem to think it is.  It's in grub.conf, 
there are files in /usr/src/kernels/ pertaining to it ... but I can't 
remove it.


   The system is running kernel-2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.i686 so I 
don't need the other one.  How do I go about instructing yum that it's 
installed and to remove it, if it tells me the package isn't installed?


How was the kernel installed?  The rpm database probably does not know 
about the kernel if rpm (or yum) was not used to install it.


~~~R

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Re: Rogue package

2009-03-08 Thread Richard England

Richard England wrote:

Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:


   I have an FC10 system that has kernel-2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i586 
installed, yet yum nor rpm seem to think it is.  It's in grub.conf, 
there are files in /usr/src/kernels/ pertaining to it ... but I can't 
remove it.


   The system is running kernel-2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.i686 so I 
don't need the other one.  How do I go about instructing yum that 
it's installed and to remove it, if it tells me the package isn't 
installed?


How was the kernel installed?  The rpm database probably does not know 
about the kernel if rpm (or yum) was not used to install it.


~~~R

If rpm was used to install, I wonder if rebuilding the rpm database 
might help?



rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db*
#db_verify /var/lib/rpm/Packages
#rpm --rebuilddb

Some one else might be along with more insight

~~R

P.S. Note that __db* has two underscores...

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Re: Fedora Upgrade 8 > 10 Login problem

2009-03-08 Thread Jim

Jim wrote:

Upgrade Fedora/KDE 8 > 10.

Bootup, It gets to Login Window, select User, add password, starts to 
go into KDE desktop, but comes back to login Window.  It has no 
problems with User name or Password.


I select "Console Login", login at Console: username, password and 
I'am in console as "user".

I then do a  "startx" in user and it takes me into KDE desktop.

What is my problem trying to Login at Login Window ?

This is the part in /var/log/messages, that I believe has to do with 
Login failure.

I see that Selinux is having other problems with sound, etc.

Mar  8 20:27:46 sandra kdm: :0[2145]: Cannot open ConsoleKit session: Unable to 
open session: Cannot launch daemon, file not found or permissions invalid
Mar  8 20:27:46 sandra kdm: :0[2145]: Client start failed
Mar  8 20:27:46 sandra kdm: :0[2145]: Cannot close ConsoleKit session: Unable 
to close session: no session open
Mar  8 20:27:46 sandra acpid: client connected from 2217[0:0]
Mar  8 20:27:47 sandra kernel: agpgart-via :00:00.0: AGP 3.5 bridge
Mar  8 20:27:47 sandra kernel: agpgart-via :00:00.0: putting AGP V3 device 
into 8x mode
Mar  8 20:27:47 sandra kernel: pci :01:00.0: putting AGP V3 device into 8x 
mode
Mar  8 20:27:47 sandra kernel: [drm] Setting GART location based on new memory 
map
Mar  8 20:27:47 sandra kernel: [drm] Loading R200 Microcode
Mar  8 20:27:47 sandra kernel: [drm] writeback test succeeded in 1 usecs
Mar  8 20:27:48 sandra setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing dbus-daemon-lau 
(system_dbusd_t) "execute" to ./console-kit-daemon (consolekit_exec_t). For 
complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l cfc9f839-50e2-4b04-8a68-b0977601ea2c
Mar  8 20:27:56 sandra kdm: :0[2221]: Fatal X server IO error: Interrupted 
system call
Mar  8 20:28:10 sandra setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing dbus-daemon-lau 
(system_dbusd_t) "execute" to ./console-kit-daemon (consolekit_exec_t). For 
complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l cfc9f839-50e2-4b04-8a68-b0977601ea2c
Mar  8 20:28:19 sandra acpid: client connected from 2308[0:500]
Mar  8 20:28:19 sandra kernel: agpgart-via :00:00.0: AGP 3.5 bridge
Mar  8 20:28:19 sandra kernel: agpgart-via :00:00.0: putting AGP V3 device 
into 8x mode
Mar  8 20:28:19 sandra kernel: pci :01:00.0: putting AGP V3 device into 8x 
mode
Mar  8 20:28:19 sandra kernel: [drm] Setting GART location based on new memory 
map
Mar  8 20:28:19 sandra kernel: [drm] Loading R200 Microcode
Mar  8 20:28:19 sandra kernel: [drm] writeback test succeeded in 1 usecs
Mar  8 20:28:21 sandra ck-xinit-session: error connecting to console-kit
Mar  8 20:28:22 sandra setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing dbus-daemon-lau 
(system_dbusd_t) "execute" to ./console-kit-daemon (consolekit_exec_t). For 
complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l cfc9f839-50e2-4b04-8a68-b0977601ea2c
Mar  8 20:28:22 sandra kernel: SELinux:  Context 
system_u:object_r:gpg_agent_exec_t:s0 is not valid (left unmapped).
Mar  8 20:28:30 sandra setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing dbus-daemon-lau 
(system_dbusd_t) "execute" to ./console-kit-daemon (consolekit_exec_t). For 
complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l cfc9f839-50e2-4b04-8a68-b0977601ea2c
Mar  8 20:28:31 sandra setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing dbus-daemon-lau 
(system_dbusd_t) "execute" to ./console-kit-daemon (consolekit_exec_t). For 
complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l cfc9f839-50e2-4b04-8a68-b0977601ea2c
Mar  8 20:29:01 sandra setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing dbus-daemon-lau 
(system_dbusd_t) "execute" to ./console-kit-daemon (consolekit_exec_t). For 
complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l cfc9f839-50e2-4b04-8a68-b0977601ea2c
Mar  8 20:29:01 sandra pulseaudio[2448]: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device 
hw:0: Permission denied
Mar  8 20:29:01 sandra pulseaudio[2448]: module.c: Failed to load  module 
"module-alsa-sink" (argument: "device_id=0 
sink_name=alsa_output.pci_1102_2_sound_card_0_alsa_playback_0 tsched=1"): initialization 
failed.
Mar  8 20:29:02 sandra pulseaudio[2478]: polkit.c: Cannot set UID on session 
object.
Mar  8 20:29:02 sandra pulseaudio[2478]: main.c: Called SUID root and real-time 
and/or high-priority scheduling was requested in the configuration. However, we 
lack the necessary privileges:
Mar  8 20:29:02 sandra pulseaudio[2478]: main.c: We are not in group 
'pulse-rt', PolicyKit refuse to grant us the requested privileges and we have 
no increase RLIMIT_NICE/RLIMIT_RTPRIO resource limits.
Mar  8 20:29:02 sandra pulseaudio[2478]: main.c: For enabling 
real-time/high-priority scheduling please acquire the appropriate PolicyKit 
privileges, or become a member of 'pulse-rt', or increase the 
RLIMIT_NICE/RLIMIT_RTPRIO resource limits for this user.
Mar  8 20:29:02 sandra pulseaudio[2448]: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device 
hw:0: Permission denied
Mar  8 20:29:02 sandra pulseaudio[2448]: module.c: Failed to load  module 
"module-alsa-source" (argument: "device_id=0 
source_name=alsa_input.pci_1102_2_sound_card_0_alsa_capture_0 

Re: The Cube in FC10/KDE-4.2

2009-03-08 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Sunday 08 March 2009 22:56, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>
> http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/KWin/4.0-release-notes#Why_not_Compiz.3F

Interesting read. In a nutshell, it seems to be a tradeoff between reinventing 
the window manager vs. reinventing desktop effects, and the KDE developers 
decided to do the latter. AFAICS, this is based on three arguments:
1) Compiz doesn't work if compositing is not supported by hardware,
2) KWin is already developed, well-tested, mostly bugfree,
3) KWin has better "desktop integration" into KDE than Compiz.

I understand the first two arguments, but the third escapes me. What 
is "desktop integration" specifically? The basic operations of a window 
manager are to move, resize, minimize, maximize etc. windows, manage 
desktops/workspaces, and similar. Could you name one specific task that I can 
do with KWin and cannot do with Compiz (both running inside KDE)? What of KDE 
am I missing while running Compiz instead of KWin? I have it setup that way 
since F9, and was never aware of any major features missing, so I would 
appreciate some insight.

Best, :-)
Marko

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Re: [Fedora] Re: Rogue package

2009-03-08 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner

Richard England wrote:
How was the kernel installed?  The rpm database probably does not know 
about the kernel if rpm (or yum) was not used to install it.
   That package was installed either when the system was first 
installed (fresh installation) or through a subsequent yum processes 
afterwards.


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F11 Alpha feedback??

2009-03-08 Thread fred smith
I'm looking around on the forums, and elsewhere, to see if I can find if
there is any proper place for posting feedback on F11 alpha, and so far 
I haven't tripped over it.

Is there such a place? Anyone point me to it?

Thanks!

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Re: The Cube in FC10/KDE-4.2

2009-03-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> I understand the first two arguments, but the third escapes me. What
> is "desktop integration" specifically? The basic operations of a window
> manager are to move, resize, minimize, maximize etc. windows, manage
> desktops/workspaces, and similar. Could you name one specific task that I
> can do with KWin and cannot do with Compiz (both running inside KDE)? What
> of KDE am I missing while running Compiz instead of KWin? I have it setup
> that way since F9, and was never aware of any major features missing, so I
> would appreciate some insight.

Window content thumbnails in the Plasma task switcher applet.

Kevin Kofler

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Re: DST, will Fedora change the time on the fly?

2009-03-08 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 19:14 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:02:49 -0400
> Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> 
> > I have the hardware clock (and Linux) set to UTC.  I have the Windows
> > timezone set to GMT with the DST conversion turned off.  (You need to do
> > this for *every* windows user!)  Then Linux always does the right thing,
> > and Windows always leaves the clock alone.  And file timestamps are
> > always correct in both systems, in case you cross-mount filesystems.
> 
> That is definitely what I tried to do several times, and Windows
> still insisted on changing the time out from under me. I gave
> up trying to understand why. Maybe some stupid service somewhere
> "just knew" I ought to have DST adjustment turned on and helpfully
> put it back or something. 

There's the setting in the clock menu (right-click on the clock icon).
That's always worked for me in XP, but I discovered recently that you
have to change the setting separately for *every* user.

> Windows time keeping was doomed from the
> moment they decided the hardware clock should keep local time anyway.
> 
> Also as bad as the original Palm OS, a system designed almost exclusively
> for keeping track of appointments, having no DST support at all :-).

That *was* annoying.  There was an add-in to deal with it, but I never
got it to work right on my 3x.

> 
> 
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Re: Fedora Upgrade 8 > 10 Login problem

2009-03-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jim wrote:
> This is the part in /var/log/messages, that I believe has to do with
> Login failure.
> I see that Selinux is having other problems with sound, etc.

Looks like your file system is incredibly labeled for SELinux.

I'd suggest just turning SELinux off.

Kevin Kofler

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Re: Fedora Upgrade 8 > 10 Login problem

2009-03-08 Thread Jim

Tom Horsley wrote:

On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 20:18:39 -0400
Jim wrote:

  

What is my problem trying to Login at Login Window ?



Could be something that changed incompatibly in the zillions
of ~/. files and directories.

I always try creating a brand new user in these situations
and seeing if the new user can login OK. If that works,
it then becomes a game hunting for which files have the
incompatible stuff in them that make your user exit.

  
I did open a new user and tried to Login, and I got the same effect that 
the other user got trying to login.


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Re: Rogue package

2009-03-08 Thread Ed Greshko
Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
>
>I have an FC10 system that has kernel-2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i586
> installed, yet yum nor rpm seem to think it is.  It's in grub.conf,
> there are files in /usr/src/kernels/ pertaining to it ... but I can't
> remove it.
>
>The system is running kernel-2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.i686 so I
> don't need the other one.  How do I go about instructing yum that it's
> installed and to remove it, if it tells me the package isn't installed?
>
If you mean to say that the package isn't being listed when doing
something like "yum list installed" or "rpm -qa" but files exist leading
you to think it is installedthen it can't be removed by the "yum
remove" or "rpm -e" methods since the information doesn't exist as to
what files had been installed and what should then be removed.

It indicates that a removal process did occur at some point but didn't
go as plannedleaving what I would call "orphans" behind.

That has happened to me before.  I simply go about removing the files
manually.  This is especially easy and trouble free when the files are
in a subdirectory or have a name that clearly identifies the file as
being part of a package I know isn't installed.

I've known some people to go through the trouble of finding the
packageinstalling it again...and removing it via yum or rpm. 

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Re: [Fedora] Re: Rogue package

2009-03-08 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner

Richard England wrote:
If rpm was used to install, I wonder if rebuilding the rpm database 
might help?


rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db*
#db_verify /var/lib/rpm/Packages
#rpm --rebuilddb

   That didn't do it.  It still only lists:

rpm -qa | grep kernel
kernel-2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.i686
kernel-devel-2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.i686
kernel-headers-2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.i386
kerneloops-0.12-1.fc10.i386
kernel-firmware-2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.noarch
   

   But, grub.conf still lists 2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i586 as an available 
kernel.  It's also still in /boot/ :


ls -l /boot/   (columns trimmed a bit)
   4096 2009-01-06 11:27 efi/
   4096 2009-03-08 18:00 grub/
  90966 2009-02-23 11:30 config-2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.i686
  90902 2008-12-16 12:55 config-2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i586
2827422 2009-03-08 17:47 initrd-2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.i686.img
2809729 2009-01-06 13:32 initrd-2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i586.img
1092666 2009-02-23 11:30 System.map-2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.i686
1089995 2008-12-16 12:55 System.map-2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i586
2580176 2009-02-23 11:30 vmlinuz-2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.i686*
2571120 2008-12-16 12:55 vmlinuz-2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i586*

   And looking in /usr/src/kernels/ I see:

ls -al
   4096 2009-03-08 17:44 2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.i686/
   4096 2009-01-06 13:30 2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i586/

   /lib/modules/ also lists:

ls -al
   4096 2009-03-08 17:47 2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.i686/
   4096 2009-01-06 13:31 2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i586/


   Yet, I can't remove it.  As I mentioned before, this kernel either 
got installed when the system was first build, or through a subsequent 
yum update run afterwards.


   Waiting for more suggestions.

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Re: Fedora Upgrade 8 > 10 Login problem

2009-03-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
I wrote:
> Looks like your file system is incredibly labeled for SELinux.

s/incredibly/incorrectly/ ;-)

Kevin Kofler

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Re: F10 updates breaking things

2009-03-08 Thread Clodoaldo Pinto Neto
2009/3/8 Patrick O'Callaghan :
> On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 19:40 -0300, Clodoaldo Pinto Neto wrote:
>> Last 3 or 4 updates were a disaster. First desktop effects stopped
>> working and still don't work. Then the keyboard was misconfigured. I
>> reconfigured, restarted and it kind of worked but sometimes it forgets
>> it is correctly configured. And in the last update sound is gone.
>> Tried some things without success.
>>
>> Is there a deliberate plan to break it all?
>
> Yes, you've won $500,000.00 for discovering it. Just send us your bank
> account details and a $1,000 for administrative fees and the money is
> yours.
>
> poc
>
> PS I hope you realize that you've said absolutely nothing about your
> system that would enable anyone to help you, such as the Fedora version,
> some hardware details (video card, whether the keyboard is USB, etc.).
> And what does "tried some things" mean?

Indeed I don't have much hope to have it solved other than seat and
wait for some update fixing it.

Take that thousand out of the half million and send me the difference
in cash. BTW if the money arrives within 2 days I you will send you
250,000.

Regards, Clodoaldo

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Re: removing autorun from a flash drive

2009-03-08 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 03:36:02PM -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote:
> If I need a different drive, how, if at all,
> do I recognize one without an autorun.inf?

 Don't buy one with the U3 label.  It's not like the thing wasn't
plainly marked.

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yum sometimes updates sometimes not

2009-03-08 Thread Mail Lists

  I have a local repo on an internal web server - I have 6 machines on
F10 using the same repo - 3 machines happily update - 3 say they are up
to date - which they are not - firefox for example is not 3.0.7.

  The mirrorlist is a file - which contains a single entry - my web
server.  And is identical on all machines - in fact its all nfs mounted.

  I try this "yum clean metadata" and even yum clean all - still yum
update says there are no updates ...

  I tried --noplugins - same problem. Only plugin i have is changelog
anyway beyonf the standard install.

  Suggestions on how to force yum to recognize the updates are there -
they really are?

  thx.

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Re: removing autorun from a flash drive

2009-03-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Marc Wilson wrote:
>  Don't buy one with the U3 label.  It's not like the thing wasn't
> plainly marked.

The magic U3 stuff can be removed.

Kevin Kofler

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Re: F11 Alpha feedback??

2009-03-08 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 21:06 -0400, fred smith wrote:
> I'm looking around on the forums, and elsewhere, to see if I can find if
> there is any proper place for posting feedback on F11 alpha, and so far 
> I haven't tripped over it.
> 
> Is there such a place? Anyone point me to it?

The Fedora Test list deals with Rawhide issues:
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list

poc

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Re: Rogue package

2009-03-08 Thread Todd Zullinger
Ed Greshko wrote:
> I've known some people to go through the trouble of finding the
> packageinstalling it again...and removing it via yum or rpm.

I'd second that idea.  If the package isn't in the rpm database, you'd
have to add it back before rpm/yum would remove it.  How it got
removed from the database and not from the file system is another
matter (and depending on how curious you are, perhaps not worth the
effort to try and track down).

You could even use the --justdb option to rpm to get the package info
into the rpm database without laying down the files again.

The package could be pulled from koji, if it's not still on the
mirrors:

http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/kernel/2.6.27.9/159.fc10/i586/kernel-2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i586.rpm

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Re: yum sometimes updates sometimes not

2009-03-08 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 23:00 -0400, Mail Lists wrote:
> I have a local repo on an internal web server - I have 6 machines on
> F10 using the same repo - 3 machines happily update - 3 say they are up
> to date - which they are not - firefox for example is not 3.0.7.
> 
>   The mirrorlist is a file - which contains a single entry - my web
> server.  And is identical on all machines - in fact its all nfs mounted.
> 
>   I try this "yum clean metadata" and even yum clean all - still yum
> update says there are no updates ...
> 
>   I tried --noplugins - same problem. Only plugin i have is changelog
> anyway beyonf the standard install.
> 
>   Suggestions on how to force yum to recognize the updates are there -
> they really are?

they may use the same mirrorlist file but they will get different
results based upon whichever server the mirrorlist server dishes out and
each mirror will have its own schedule for sync'ing. If you have 6
machines on F10, you might want to consider running your own mirror.

Craig

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Re: [Fedora] Re: Rogue package

2009-03-08 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner

Todd Zullinger wrote:

You could even use the --justdb option to rpm to get the package info
into the rpm database without laying down the files again.

The package could be pulled from koji, if it's not still on the
mirrors:

http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/kernel/2.6.27.9/159.fc10/i586/kernel-2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i586.rpm
  
   That was the easiest thing to do.  While I could've manually removed 
the files, I don't know where all the locations are.  And since I 
would've needed the rpm to find out anyway, it just installed it (with 
--justdb) and removed it again.


   Thanks Todd, and everyone else who made suggestions.

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Re: yum sometimes updates sometimes not

2009-03-08 Thread Mail Lists
On 03/08/2009 11:26 PM, Craig White wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 23:00 -0400, Mail Lists wrote:
>> I have a local repo on an internal web server - I have 6 machines on
>> F10 using the same repo - 3 machines happily update - 3 say they are up
---
> they may use the same mirrorlist file but they will get different
> results based upon whichever server the mirrorlist server dishes out and
> each mirror will have its own schedule for sync'ing. If you have 6
> machines on F10, you might want to consider running your own mirror.
> 
> Craig
> 


 Yes exactly - it is a local mirror. That is the conundrum.

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Re: yum sometimes updates sometimes not

2009-03-08 Thread Mail Lists
On 03/08/2009 11:00 PM, Mail Lists wrote:
>   I have a local repo on an internal web server - I have 6 machines on
> F10 using the same repo - 3 machines happily update - 3 say they are up
> to date - which they are not - firefox for example is not 3.0.7.
> 
>   The mirrorlist is a file - which contains a single entry - my web
> server.  And is identical on all machines - in fact its all nfs mounted.


 I just tried again - repeating what I did earlier - namely "clean
metadata" and then an "update" - now the 3 remaining machines did in
fact update. Go figure ...

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Re: yum sometimes updates sometimes not

2009-03-08 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 23:59 -0400, Mail Lists wrote:
> On 03/08/2009 11:26 PM, Craig White wrote:
> > On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 23:00 -0400, Mail Lists wrote:
> >> I have a local repo on an internal web server - I have 6 machines on
> >> F10 using the same repo - 3 machines happily update - 3 say they are up
> ---
> > they may use the same mirrorlist file but they will get different
> > results based upon whichever server the mirrorlist server dishes out and
> > each mirror will have its own schedule for sync'ing. If you have 6
> > machines on F10, you might want to consider running your own mirror.
> > 
> > Craig
> > 
> 
> 
>  Yes exactly - it is a local mirror. That is the conundrum.

then you should comment out the mirrorlist URL and just use the baseurl
URL. I'm not exactly sure how that works with an NFS mount - I use mrepo
which provides a standard web served repository, synchronizes with the
base repositories, etc.

Craig

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dpms + fglrx

2009-03-08 Thread paul s

hi -

i am having a problem with one of my computers and the monitor... it use 
to power off and now it no longer does...


suspend seems to work but the screen is still on, just blank.. i am 
using powerdevil and also tried kde display and gnome display settings 
as well... i know that the ati hd2600 supports powerplay as this worked 
in fedora 8 and is also noted on ati website... powering off the display 
works with an nvidia card but not the ati...


i've googled a bunch but can't seem to find an answer... help would be 
greatly appreciated...


[snip]
$ aticonfig --lsp
Error: POWERplay is not supported on your hardware.

$ aticonfig --pplib-cmd "get activity"
Current Activity is Core Clock: 600MHZ
Memory Clock: 684MHZ
VDDC: 1100
Activity: 0 percent
Performance Level: 0
Bus Speed: 2500
Bus Lanes: 16
Maximum Bus Lanes: 16

$ aticonfig --pplib-cmd "get clock"
Engine Clock Range: 600-600 MHZ; Memory Clock Range: 684-684 MHZ;
[/snip]

also the option is set in the monitor section of the xorg.conf to use 
dpms...



cheers
paul

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installing network adapter driver for intel DG45ID

2009-03-08 Thread jesun
Dear all,
recently i have installed fedora 10 on my PC but failed to configure ethernet 
connection.My motherboard is intel's DG45ID having a built-in network adapter 
card.I have tried driver e1000e from sourceforge but still no hope.Can anyone 
help me in setting NIC and ehternet configureation?thanks in advance.


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f10 xorg

2009-03-08 Thread François Patte
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Bonjour,

I just installed f10.

Can't find xorg.conf Where has this file gone?

Thank you.

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