Re: copying lvm with the same name

[Craig White]

On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 21:28 -0600, Frank Cox wrote:
> One of my computers died and, of course, there is un-backed-up data on there
> that I want to recover if I can.  The hard drive seems to be in good shape so 
> I
> took it out of the dead box and installed it on this computer (my main desktop
> machine.)
> 
> I have been doing a bunch of reading about logical volumes and some of what
> I've found is  self-contradictory, incomplete and stuff that I just don't
> really understand (yet.)  And, as you can imagine, since this is my main
> desktop machine I'm not terribly anxious to just start playing around with
> the lvm configuration without knowing what I'm doing.
> 
> Here are my findings so far:
> 
> [r...@mutt ~]# pvscan
>   PV /dev/sdb2   VG VolGroup00   lvm2 [279.25 GB / 32.00 MB free]
>   PV /dev/sda2   VG VolGroup00   lvm2 [465.56 GB / 32.00 MB free]
>   Total: 2 [744.81 GB] / in use: 2 [744.81 GB] / in no VG: 0 [0   ]
> [r...@mutt ~]# lvscan
>   ACTIVE'/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00' [277.28 GB] inherit
>   ACTIVE'/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01' [1.94 GB] inherit
> 
> It looks like the machine can see the second drive and the lvm that's on it
> /dev/sdb2, but it has the same VolGroup name as /dev/sda2.
> 
> What I would like to do is twofold:  First, and most importantly, I would like
> to mount it as-is so I can copy my data off of there.  Second, I would like to
> re-format it and add it to the storage capacity that I already have on this
> machine. Heck, if it's still a good drive I might as well put it to use.
> 
> So, how can I mount VolGroup00 that's on /dev/sdb2?  The vgchange command
> followed by a simple mount command looks like what I want to do, but what's 
> the
> syntax?  As I said, I really don't want to bugger up my primary hard drive

I wouldn't mess with pv commands at all but rather simply create a mount
point and mount the drives. You probably need to figure out what
partitions are in the two LV Groups and I think you should be able to do
that with the command 'blkid'

Craig

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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Paolo Galtieri]

My suggestion was never meant as a long term solution.  It was meant as a
very quick and dirty way to get kdm up and running.  I also pointed the
person to /etc/X11/perfdm which is where the decision is made as to what
display manager gets run.

I apologize that I didn't make that clear.

Paolo

2009/3/16 Todd Zullinger 

> Paolo Galtieri wrote:
> > If you want to run kdm instead od gdm do the following at a console
> > login (ctl-alt-f1) after logging in as root
>
> VT1 is X on F10 and newer.  So you'd want to use ctrl-alt-f2 to get a
> console.
>
> > mv /usr/sbin/gdm /usr/sbin/gdm.orig
>
> Why move system files around?  The next update will just put the file
> back anyway, so that seems like a bad way to change the default.
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Re: Keep 2 kernels using up2date on RHEL4

[Ed Greshko]

Paul Ward wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Please can someone tell me where the config for how many kernels to keep is.
>
> I wish to use up2date on my rhel 4 server and ensure it keeps at least
> 2 copies of the kernel in grub.
> I can't find it in up2date --configure
>
> And I do not think it is in grub.conf
>
>
>   
AFAIK, up2date doesn't have a concept of keeping a given number of
kernels. 

During up2date the previous kernels are not removed and "install" is
done on kernel packages...not "update".
The up2date configuration is kept in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/up2date

removeSkipList=kernel*;

prevents removal of kernel packages. 

So, you are faced with having more than 2 kernels installed unless you
manually remove them  So, you are virtually assured of having more
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Re: Sigh... KDM is no better :-(

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Tom Horsley  wrote:
> Well, the design of the dialog and elimination of hidden
> controls is better, but unfortunately is doesn't actually
> work :-(.

Well Tom, I think you know there is a difference between "doesn't
actually" work, and "I have found bugs with it on my system".

I've been using KDM for years now.

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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Tom Horsley  wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:48:08 -0500
> Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>
>> This is likely a system specific issue, based on the fact that I've
>> never seen it before and would  have heard of it by now considering
>> how many people use KDM. Got any more info on the hang?
>
> My system hangs too - maybe you overestimate how many people
> use KDM (or the percentage of those who use restart/shutdown
> from the login screen :-).

Everyone who uses (including installs from)  the KDE LiveCD uses KDM.

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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 20:55 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:48:08 -0500
> Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> 
> > This is likely a system specific issue, based on the fact that I've
> > never seen it before and would  have heard of it by now considering
> > how many people use KDM. Got any more info on the hang?
> 
> My system hangs too - maybe you overestimate how many people
> use KDM (or the percentage of those who use restart/shutdown
> from the login screen :-).
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=490568

I do it all the time (x86_64) and it has never hung on me so far, but
then I don't have an Nvidia card.

poc

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Keep 2 kernels using up2date on RHEL4

[Paul Ward]

Hello,

Please can someone tell me where the config for how many kernels to keep is.

I wish to use up2date on my rhel 4 server and ensure it keeps at least
2 copies of the kernel in grub.
I can't find it in up2date --configure

And I do not think it is in grub.conf

Thanks

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Running GUI package manager over a vnc connection on Fedora 10.

[Leland C. Scott]

I setup a PC to use remotely when I'm out of town using VNC over a ssh 
connection. The problems trying to edit files requiring root access, and no 
GUI, is one thing I can deal with. The application package manager GUI 
telling me it won't run because I'm on a remote console is just plain 
stupid. This is something I'm is likely to do be doing frequency. Yeah maybe 
a CL workaround exists but I like the convenience of the GUI. At least on 
the older box I have setup, Fedora 8, all it asked me for was the root 
password then did its thing.


Is there anyway to get this to work in the above type setup on Fedora 10 
with the Gnome desktop? The VNC part works just fine.


Regards,
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copying lvm with the same name

[Frank Cox]

One of my computers died and, of course, there is un-backed-up data on there
that I want to recover if I can.  The hard drive seems to be in good shape so I
took it out of the dead box and installed it on this computer (my main desktop
machine.)

I have been doing a bunch of reading about logical volumes and some of what
I've found is  self-contradictory, incomplete and stuff that I just don't
really understand (yet.)  And, as you can imagine, since this is my main
desktop machine I'm not terribly anxious to just start playing around with
the lvm configuration without knowing what I'm doing.

Here are my findings so far:

[r...@mutt ~]# pvscan
  PV /dev/sdb2   VG VolGroup00   lvm2 [279.25 GB / 32.00 MB free]
  PV /dev/sda2   VG VolGroup00   lvm2 [465.56 GB / 32.00 MB free]
  Total: 2 [744.81 GB] / in use: 2 [744.81 GB] / in no VG: 0 [0   ]
[r...@mutt ~]# lvscan
  ACTIVE'/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00' [277.28 GB] inherit
  ACTIVE'/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01' [1.94 GB] inherit

It looks like the machine can see the second drive and the lvm that's on it
/dev/sdb2, but it has the same VolGroup name as /dev/sda2.

What I would like to do is twofold:  First, and most importantly, I would like
to mount it as-is so I can copy my data off of there.  Second, I would like to
re-format it and add it to the storage capacity that I already have on this
machine. Heck, if it's still a good drive I might as well put it to use.

So, how can I mount VolGroup00 that's on /dev/sdb2?  The vgchange command
followed by a simple mount command looks like what I want to do, but what's the
syntax?  As I said, I really don't want to bugger up my primary hard drive

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Re: NM fails to connect when booting ??

[William Case]

On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 23:04 -0400, William Case wrote:
> Thanks for responding again Todd;
> 
> On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 22:54 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> > William Case wrote:
> > > I now have Fedora 10 on two systems.  On both, NetworkManager fails
> > > to connect at bootup + login.  If I remember correctly, NM connected
> > > automatically on booting when I first installed Fedora 10 on each
> > > machine.  Some time after the major update it stopped connecting.
> > >
> > > It is not a major problem to me.  I can just checkmark 'System
> > > eth0', but it shouldn't work that way.
> > >
> > > Is this a reported bug?  I didn't see this specifically.
> > 
> > What version of NM do you have?  I think there was an issue with a
> > recent update, but which was corrected very soon after.
> 
> Network Manager Applet 0.7.0.99
> 

]$ rpm -qa NetworkManager
NetworkManager-0.7.0.99-3.fc10.x86_64

- to be more exact.

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Re: NM fails to connect when booting ??

[William Case]

Thanks for responding again Todd;

On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 22:54 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> William Case wrote:
> > I now have Fedora 10 on two systems.  On both, NetworkManager fails
> > to connect at bootup + login.  If I remember correctly, NM connected
> > automatically on booting when I first installed Fedora 10 on each
> > machine.  Some time after the major update it stopped connecting.
> >
> > It is not a major problem to me.  I can just checkmark 'System
> > eth0', but it shouldn't work that way.
> >
> > Is this a reported bug?  I didn't see this specifically.
> 
> What version of NM do you have?  I think there was an issue with a
> recent update, but which was corrected very soon after.

Network Manager Applet 0.7.0.99

I forgot to mention it is a wired network.

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Re: Church sound

[David Miller]

Tim wrote:

On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 21:53 -0500, David Miller wrote:
  
Well I have used Audacity for 3-10 min recordings in the past but not 
for hour long recordings.



I have.  It worked as well as short recordings.  Of course, to edit it,
you need to have enough RAM to fit the whole thing in, or it's going to
be painful to work on.

  

I put this machine together and loaded FC10 Sat. and verified that
sound worked, didn't have time to do much testing.  Took the machine
to the church this morning and did the recording. I was disappointed
with the results this first week.  There was a high pitched hiss
throughout the recording.  I don't know what to make of it yet.  I am
taking the sound directly from our 32 channel audio mixer. Not the
right sound for a ground loop.



You can still get them with that.  Considering the complications of
connecting different equipment together, and the additional problems a
computer might add, I err towards using audio transformer coupling
between mixers and the computer.  That eliminates the possibility of
ground loops, and makes it harder for other instabilities to introduce
noises.  Getting a simple transformer DI box with attenuator pad
switching to place between mixer and computer might be a simple
solution.

Hiss could be from any number of sources.  If it's like the typical
amateur set-up, people are often using the equipment wrong (e.g. they
turn down the input gain and turn up the output gain, amplifying a lot
of noise as well as the wanted signal).  Remember that mixer level
controls are not at the immediate input and outputs of a desk, there are
amplifiers before and after each of them.  And, like you said, depending
on your tape system, it may be masking it by lack of ability to record
it.

I'd be going in and experimenting at a time that you can do so without
interrupting services.  Take a very good pair of headphones with you,
and a tame victim to speak into microphones while you try things out.

You should take a line out signal from the desk to a line input on your
sound card.  You may well need to attenuate the signal between the desk
and the computer.  Depending on your sound card, it's probably optimal
if you get normal signal levels when the sound cards audio mixer
controls are around 50 to 75% of the way up.  If they're set elsewhere,
you probably need to change the signal level being fed to the computer.
Make sure that you turn off the other input channels on the computer
mixer (microphone, CD, etc.), unhide other channels from the mixer
control GUI so you can check they're turned down.  And do the same on
the real audio mixer (turn the unused channels down, set up input gain
controls so the input and output channel fader levels are around the 75%
mark).

If your mixer has a spare output channel, and you have auxiliary sends
on the input channels, consider running the recorder completely separate
from how you drive a PA system.  The two have different mixing needs.
Sound reinforcement (PA) is adding amplified sound to natural sound.
Recording has only the microphone signals, and doesn't have the
additional natural sound to add to the level.  It may be best to record
from signals before the tone controls, if you're radically changing the
tone controls for the PA side of mixing.

But, despite your best efforts, you could be hamstrung by having a
rotten sound card in your computer.  Many of them have awful input
stages.  These days, mobile DJs that use computers instead of discs,
will often use an off-board USB sound card to avoid some of the noise
issues they get from internal sound cards.

  
Well, I mentioned that I have the same mother board in my home machine.  
I ran some test and have the same problem.  I had in my pile of spare 
parts a pci sound card.  Sure enough this solved the problem.


David

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Re: NM fails to connect when booting ??

[Todd Zullinger]

William Case wrote:
> I now have Fedora 10 on two systems.  On both, NetworkManager fails
> to connect at bootup + login.  If I remember correctly, NM connected
> automatically on booting when I first installed Fedora 10 on each
> machine.  Some time after the major update it stopped connecting.
>
> It is not a major problem to me.  I can just checkmark 'System
> eth0', but it shouldn't work that way.
>
> Is this a reported bug?  I didn't see this specifically.

What version of NM do you have?  I think there was an issue with a
recent update, but which was corrected very soon after.

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NM fails to connect when booting ??

[William Case]

Hi;

I now have Fedora 10 on two systems.  On both, NetworkManager fails to
connect at bootup + login.  If I remember correctly, NM connected
automatically on booting when I first installed Fedora 10 on each
machine.  Some time after the major update it stopped connecting.

It is not a major problem to me.  I can just checkmark 'System eth0',
but it shouldn't work that way.

Is this a reported bug?  I didn't see this specifically.
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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Craig White]

On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 20:55 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:48:08 -0500
> Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> 
> > This is likely a system specific issue, based on the fact that I've
> > never seen it before and would  have heard of it by now considering
> > how many people use KDM. Got any more info on the hang?
> 
> My system hangs too - maybe you overestimate how many people
> use KDM (or the percentage of those who use restart/shutdown
> from the login screen :-).
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=490568

I do it frequently but I am using i386 since I have been testing all
sorts of different xorg.conf's and I see you reported against x86_64 but
I don't recall it ever hanging.

Craig

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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Tom Horsley]

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:48:08 -0500
Arthur Pemberton wrote:

> This is likely a system specific issue, based on the fact that I've
> never seen it before and would  have heard of it by now considering
> how many people use KDM. Got any more info on the hang?

My system hangs too - maybe you overestimate how many people
use KDM (or the percentage of those who use restart/shutdown
from the login screen :-).

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=490568

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Re: OT: High pitch buzz when recording

[Konstantin Svist]

Andrew Robinson wrote:
> I am trying to record on my Fedora 9 box with audacity. When I do, the
> recording includes a high pitched buzz on the right track. I have
> unplugged everything from the sound ports, and still get the buzz. I
> can  see the right channel has a higher level on the input meter when
> recording. This is an six channel on-board nVidia audio on an ASUS
> motherboard. Anyone have any idea what causes it? Am I likely to be
> able to fix it?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Andrew Robinson
>

There are way too many causes. The easiest way to work around the
problem is to use digital inputs/outputs.

Some possible causes:
* feedback loop between microphone/speakers (probably not, since it's
too obvious)
* ground loop (probably not, since it results in ~50-60Hz noise, not a
high pitched one)
* interference from videocard/other component in the computer
* bad PSU (noise in power line)

I'm sure others will add more

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Sigh... KDM is no better :-(

[Tom Horsley]

Well, the design of the dialog and elimination of hidden
controls is better, but unfortunately is doesn't actually
work :-(.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=490566
xinit-compat session doesn't work

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=490568
system hang instead of restart

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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Neal Becker  wrote:
> Todd Zullinger wrote:
>
>> Paolo Galtieri wrote:
>>> If you want to run kdm instead od gdm do the following at a console
>>> login (ctl-alt-f1) after logging in as root
>>
>> VT1 is X on F10 and newer.  So you'd want to use ctrl-alt-f2 to get a
>> console.
>>
>>> mv /usr/sbin/gdm /usr/sbin/gdm.orig
>>
>> Why move system files around?  The next update will just put the file
>> back anyway, so that seems like a bad way to change the default.
>>
>
> Since you guys suggested it, I just tried switching to kdm on F10.  I like
> the look of the login screen, but I had to switch back.  When I try to
> shutdown the machine from that login screen, it seems to just hang.

This is likely a system specific issue, based on the fact that I've
never seen it before and would  have heard of it by now considering
how many people use KDM. Got any more info on the hang?

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OT: High pitch buzz when recording

[Andrew Robinson]

I am trying to record on my Fedora 9 box with audacity. When I do, the 
recording includes a high pitched buzz on the right track. I have 
unplugged everything from the sound ports, and still get the buzz. I can 
 see the right channel has a higher level on the input meter when 
recording. This is an six channel on-board nVidia audio on an ASUS 
motherboard. Anyone have any idea what causes it? Am I likely to be able 
to fix it?


Thanks!

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Audacity, F9, and sound systems

[Andrew Robinson]

I want to start ripping my LP's, so I installed audacity on my Fedora 9 
box that I already use for MythTV. When I fire up audacity, it offers a 
number of choices for the input sound and playback sound. Most of those 
choices seem to revolve around ALSA. The only ones that seem to work are 
OSS. OK, I'll use what works. However, once I have run audacity once and 
exited, the next time I get into it, there are only ALSA choices 
available for playback. OSS is no longer available in the drop down and 
none of the ALSA choices give me sound. Anyone have any idea of what is 
going on here?


From what I have read, I thought OSS was being deprecated in favour of 
ALSA. And then I thought the new pulse audio system in F9 and F10 was 
supposed to supplant ALSA. I am guessing I lack a basic understanding of 
how the audio systems work on Fedora 9 and how to configure and control 
them. Can someone explain this, or even better, point to a document that 
does.


Thanks!

Andrew Robinson

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Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?

[Craig White]

On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 19:09 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 15:41 -0700, Craig White wrote:
> > Many versions of evolution/Fedora ago, I stopped using junk filtering
> > because spamassasin was so slow and memory was a terrible issue. I
> > gather that the response was to implement the bogo-filter instead of
> > spamassassin at the evolution level to solve that but I do have junk
> > filtering on my mail server so I just shut it off and have left it
> > off.
> 
> I switched from SpamAssassin to Bogofilter over a year ago and haven't
> regretted it. I feel that SA is great as a server-side spam filter
> (indeed one of my mail servers uses it) but BF is better for the
> desktop. One problem with SA was that it would leave multiple spamd
> processes lying around, though that may have been fixed since then.
> 
> All the same, I didn't get the sense from Tim's message that he was
> talking about spam filtering. Perhaps he could clarify.

sure - I only use cyrus-imapd with sieve which is server based
filtering/handling so it's transparent to me - I don't see the e-mail
until it's been filtered.

I've got a bunch of rules...a 'wc -l' of my sieve script runs 497 lines
which I can tell averages about 6 lines per rule so I clearly have 80 or
so rules which are going to take some time if an e-mail drops all the
way to the last rule (which isn't a place that anyone sending me a
personal e-mail wants to end up).

Clearly running those rules against every e-mail takes time and none of
these rules have anything to do with junk mail except if the header
contains an entry tagging it as spam from MailScanner/spamassassin it
goes into my SPAMBOX.

In the end though, we use filters to organize incoming e-mail so even if
it does take a little longer to get automation, I'm not sure what the
problem is (except for as I said, when evolution used to use
spamassassin for junk detection and then the problem was more like oom
issues).

Craig

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Re: Work area in F10

[Mail Lists]

On 03/16/2009 10:58 AM, fred smith wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:53:10AM +0100, Antonio M wrote:
>
> I've seen this on my F10 system too (eeepc 901). It comes and goes. If I
> log off and back on most likely it will be right the next time. I'm using
> Gnome, BTW.
> 
> There are other odd intermittent things that go wrong, too. One of them is
> that sometimes the font size for the window title reverts to the gigantic
> font that is the default size. Again, log off and back on will USUALLY fix it
> When it is in that bad state, looking at the font size configuration shows the
> size I've previously chosen, NOT the size it is actually displaying.
> 

  I have seen both of these as well - once it was after some updates.
The other time was not.

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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Neal Becker]

Todd Zullinger wrote:

> Paolo Galtieri wrote:
>> If you want to run kdm instead od gdm do the following at a console
>> login (ctl-alt-f1) after logging in as root
> 
> VT1 is X on F10 and newer.  So you'd want to use ctrl-alt-f2 to get a
> console.
> 
>> mv /usr/sbin/gdm /usr/sbin/gdm.orig
> 
> Why move system files around?  The next update will just put the file
> back anyway, so that seems like a bad way to change the default.
> 

Since you guys suggested it, I just tried switching to kdm on F10.  I like 
the look of the login screen, but I had to switch back.  When I try to 
shutdown the machine from that login screen, it seems to just hang.


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Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 15:41 -0700, Craig White wrote:
> Many versions of evolution/Fedora ago, I stopped using junk filtering
> because spamassasin was so slow and memory was a terrible issue. I
> gather that the response was to implement the bogo-filter instead of
> spamassassin at the evolution level to solve that but I do have junk
> filtering on my mail server so I just shut it off and have left it
> off.

I switched from SpamAssassin to Bogofilter over a year ago and haven't
regretted it. I feel that SA is great as a server-side spam filter
(indeed one of my mail servers uses it) but BF is better for the
desktop. One problem with SA was that it would leave multiple spamd
processes lying around, though that may have been fixed since then.

All the same, I didn't get the sense from Tim's message that he was
talking about spam filtering. Perhaps he could clarify.

poc

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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 15:54 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> > Most of these seem to be written in Python as far as I can see, i.e.
> any
> > dependancy on GTK is indirect.
> >
> > poc
> 
> Please lookup PyGTK. It is a direct dependency on Gtk.

OK.

poc

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Re: F10 and built-in Intel graphics

[Craig White]

On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 22:25 +, psmith wrote:
> Craig White wrote:
> > On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 19:14 +, psmith wrote:
> >   
> >> Gordon Messmer wrote:
> >> 
> >>> M A Young wrote:
> >>>   
>  I recommend that you do a text based install (add text to the boot 
>  line), and once you have it installed, boot to a text console (add 3 
>  to the boot line), then add Option "NoAccel" "true" to the Device 
>  section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
>  
> >>> I'm curious whether it's necessary to disable acceleration entirely, 
> >>> or simply revert to the older XAA method.  On my Thinkpad X40, the 
> >>> Intel video driver in F10 had significant problems, where the driver 
> >>> on F9 was fine.  I could either use XAA or revert to the older driver 
> >>> to get proper rendering.
> >>>
> >>> I've attached a minimal xorg.conf.  I believe you can save it to 
> >>> /etc/X11 to test each of the options individually.  Try disabling 
> >>> accel, and then try using XAA (both options are in the file).  Let us 
> >>> know what kind of results you get, and then track down one of the 
> >>> bugzilla reports on this subject (I know a few are open) and add your 
> >>> information.
> >>>
> >>>   
> >> here is the pertinant section of the xorg.conf for my aspire one which 
> >> has intel gfx, this is on F10 and it works perfectly
> >>
> >> Section "Device"
> >> Identifier  "Card0"
> >> Driver  "intel"
> >> VendorName  "Intel Corporation"
> >> BoardName   "Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller"
> >> VideoRam229376
> >> Option"MonitorLayout" "LVDS,VGA"
> >> Option"Clone" "true"
> >> Option"AccelMethod" "EXA"
> >> Option"MigrationHeuristic" "greedy"
> >> Option"CacheLines" "1980"
> >> BusID   "PCI:0:2:0"
> >> EndSection
> >> 
> > 
> > you haven't by any chance figured out how to get LVDS to use a larger
> > virtual screen - say 1024 x 768 have you? I've been unable to do that on
> > my Aspire One.
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >   
> no sorry craig, i think i remember reading somewhere that the only way 
> to get the "Virtual" setting to work is to pass the "NoAccel" "true" 
> option but i've not tried it

would you have "NoAccel" "true" instead of "AccelMethod" "EXA" ? is that
the idea?

Craig

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Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?

[Craig White]

On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 22:06 +, James Wilkinson wrote:
> Tim wrote:
> > That's easy:  Fetch a scad of mail when you have filters set, versus
> > fetch a scad of mail when you don't have any filters set.
> > 
> > Unmolested, they romp into the inbox very quickly.  When filtering puts
> > its fingers in, it's far worse than fetching mail over dial-up.
> 
> That sort of filtering speed (I’m guessing maybe a couple of seconds per
> message on emails generally smaller than, say, 128 KB) makes me suspect
> that it’s passing emails through SpamAssassin – it sounds like the right
> speed for SpamAssassin, and there’s an evolution-spamassassin package to
> enable it.
> 
> SpamAssassin is a good anti-spam package, which can be made *very* good
> with the right options, but it’s designed around the assumption that a
> couple of seconds per email isn’t a big deal. And it isn’t if the
> filtering happens while the email is trickling in – it just takes a long
> time if you initiate the download and wait for it all to come down.
> 
> I would argue that it’s the wrong place to do spam filtering¹, except
> that it’s a lot easier for someone unfamiliar with mail processing, the
> command line and SpamAssassin to have it Just Work as part of the mail
> client.
> 
> In any case, it’s not reasonable to blame Evolution for anything other
> than its choice of spam filter if it’s the spam filter taking the time.
> 
> James.
> 
> ¹ The *right* place is on the MX, the first computer that receives the
> email, which should never accept emails it thinks are spam. But it’s not
> always practical for end users to insist on this.

I agree that the MX should be discriminating about what it accepts.

Many versions of evolution/Fedora ago, I stopped using junk filtering
because spamassasin was so slow and memory was a terrible issue. I
gather that the response was to implement the bogo-filter instead of
spamassassin at the evolution level to solve that but I do have junk
filtering on my mail server so I just shut it off and have left it off.

Craig

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Re: Perk/Tk

[Patrick Dupre]

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, Patrick Dupre wrote:


Hello,

I am back with my problem which is serious:
I cannot any more interact with my perl/tk widgets in fedora 10 !!
I was working fine in fc7.
This appears with a graphic card intel Q965, only ?
If I open the application with an X session from another machine
(fc10 but not with an intel Q965 card) it works fine 
How can I fix this problem.
I also have a problem with xmgrace.


I am using gnome2
I also wanted to add that my perl/tk applications work fine with KDE
However, xmgrace aborts with KDE !!!



Thank.

Regards.




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Re: Problem with Anaconda (Fedora) and Xcell 2000 mobo

[Alan Cox]

> I believe Fedora 10 has a lot of ATA drivers built-in, but it doesn’t
> look like ata_generic is. It looks like on Fedora 10, you can append 
> ata_generic.all_generic_ide=1
> to the kernel boot line, and you’ll be more likely to detect the disk.

That may do the trick. If so it would be interesting once its booting to
see the lspci -vvxxx output and what controller the board actually uses.


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Re: F10 and built-in Intel graphics

[psmith]

Craig White wrote:

On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 19:14 +, psmith wrote:
  

Gordon Messmer wrote:


M A Young wrote:
  
I recommend that you do a text based install (add text to the boot 
line), and once you have it installed, boot to a text console (add 3 
to the boot line), then add Option "NoAccel" "true" to the Device 
section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf

I'm curious whether it's necessary to disable acceleration entirely, 
or simply revert to the older XAA method.  On my Thinkpad X40, the 
Intel video driver in F10 had significant problems, where the driver 
on F9 was fine.  I could either use XAA or revert to the older driver 
to get proper rendering.


I've attached a minimal xorg.conf.  I believe you can save it to 
/etc/X11 to test each of the options individually.  Try disabling 
accel, and then try using XAA (both options are in the file).  Let us 
know what kind of results you get, and then track down one of the 
bugzilla reports on this subject (I know a few are open) and add your 
information.


  
here is the pertinant section of the xorg.conf for my aspire one which 
has intel gfx, this is on F10 and it works perfectly


Section "Device"
Identifier  "Card0"
Driver  "intel"
VendorName  "Intel Corporation"
BoardName   "Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller"
VideoRam229376
Option"MonitorLayout" "LVDS,VGA"
Option"Clone" "true"
Option"AccelMethod" "EXA"
Option"MigrationHeuristic" "greedy"
Option"CacheLines" "1980"
BusID   "PCI:0:2:0"
EndSection



you haven't by any chance figured out how to get LVDS to use a larger
virtual screen - say 1024 x 768 have you? I've been unable to do that on
my Aspire One.

Craig

  
no sorry craig, i think i remember reading somewhere that the only way 
to get the "Virtual" setting to work is to pass the "NoAccel" "true" 
option but i've not tried it


phil

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Re: Problem with Anaconda (Fedora) and Xcell 2000 mobo

[James Wilkinson]

Erick Martínez wrote:
> Hello. I've problems trying to install Fedora (7,8,9, and maybe
> realese 10, cause I almost finish the downloading) in an old cpu Intel
> Celeron Coppermine-128 600 Mhz with 396 MB RAM on a PCChips M748LMRT
> "XCell 200" MOBO.

Ouch! The memory will be a bit limited, and the processor a bit slow,
but that looks like it’s a SiS chipset on a PCChips motherboard. I had a
lot of problems with those.

> The problem in fact is, that Anacando doesn't
> recognize any hard drive. I found a post but can't open it
> (http://www.planetalinux.com.ar/forum/viewforum.php?f=26&st=0&sk=t&sd=d&start=400,
> http://www.planetalinux.com.ar/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=2118). Any
> suggestions?

You may find http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9157 a more
useful link. Fedora (from 7 onwards, I believe) uses the new libata set
of drivers exclusively.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KernelCommonProblems may also be worth
reviewing for its treatment of kernel and module parameters.

I believe Fedora 10 has a lot of ATA drivers built-in, but it doesn’t
look like ata_generic is. It looks like on Fedora 10, you can append 
ata_generic.all_generic_ide=1
to the kernel boot line, and you’ll be more likely to detect the disk.

Do you need a more detailed walkthrough of where to set those
parameters? You’ll need to do it when booting the install media, and
then make sure grub picks it up – you might find it easier, to begin
with, simply to edit the grub command line each time you boot.

Hope this helps,

James.

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Perk/Tk

[Patrick Dupre]

Hello,

I am back with my problem which is serious:
I cannot any more interact with my perl/tk widgets in fedora 10 !!
I was working fine in fc7.
This appears with a graphic card intel Q965, only ?
If I open the application with an X session from another machine
(fc10 but not with an intel Q965 card) it works fine 
How can I fix this problem.
I also have a problem with xmgrace.

Thank.

Regards.

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Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?

[James Wilkinson]

Tim wrote:
> That's easy:  Fetch a scad of mail when you have filters set, versus
> fetch a scad of mail when you don't have any filters set.
> 
> Unmolested, they romp into the inbox very quickly.  When filtering puts
> its fingers in, it's far worse than fetching mail over dial-up.

That sort of filtering speed (I’m guessing maybe a couple of seconds per
message on emails generally smaller than, say, 128 KB) makes me suspect
that it’s passing emails through SpamAssassin – it sounds like the right
speed for SpamAssassin, and there’s an evolution-spamassassin package to
enable it.

SpamAssassin is a good anti-spam package, which can be made *very* good
with the right options, but it’s designed around the assumption that a
couple of seconds per email isn’t a big deal. And it isn’t if the
filtering happens while the email is trickling in – it just takes a long
time if you initiate the download and wait for it all to come down.

I would argue that it’s the wrong place to do spam filtering¹, except
that it’s a lot easier for someone unfamiliar with mail processing, the
command line and SpamAssassin to have it Just Work as part of the mail
client.

In any case, it’s not reasonable to blame Evolution for anything other
than its choice of spam filter if it’s the spam filter taking the time.

James.

¹ The *right* place is on the MX, the first computer that receives the
email, which should never accept emails it thinks are spam. But it’s not
always practical for end users to insist on this.

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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Antonio Olivares
 wrote:
>
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Arthur Pemberton  wrote:
>
>> From: Arthur Pemberton 
>> Subject: Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default
>> To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." 
>> 
>> Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 12:01 PM
>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Marc Wilson
>>  wrote:
>> > Is there any reason TO do this?  Other than that you
>> don't like GDM?
>>
>> It's ugly.
>>
>> --
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>> ( www.pembo13.com )
>>
>> --
>
> I "supposedly use gdm".  I don't even see it.  I autologin with the 
> /etc/gdm/custom.conf file.  In several computers I have kdm, *used the kde 
> livecd to install :)*
>
> \begin{humor}
> If you are married and your wife is ugly, would you just change her because 
> of it?
> Is that a good enough reason to change something?
> \end{humor}
>
> I don't have a problem with either gdm or kdm.  Just as long as I can 
> autologin, I am happy :)
>
> However, many users are frustrated?/bothered?/?..? with the functionality of 
> gdm.  It apparently has lost the functionality that it had in previous 
> versions and this is why people are complaining about it.  Not that it is 
> UGLY right?
>
> Regards,
>
> Antonio

It's not an either / or situation. It can both. My concern is that GDM
doesn't put a very good face on a Fedora desktops. Also, i hate
entering my username then my password.


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Problem with Anaconda (Fedora) and Xcell 2000 mobo

[Erick Martínez]

Hello. I've problems trying to install Fedora (7,8,9, and maybe realese 10, 
cause I almost finish the downloading) in an old cpu Intel Celeron
Coppermine-128 600 Mhz with 396 MB RAM on a PCChips M748LMRT "XCell
200" MOBO. The problem in fact is, that Anacando doesn't recognize any
hard drive. I found a post but can't open it 
(http://www.planetalinux.com.ar/forum/viewforum.php?f=26&st=0&sk=t&sd=d&start=400,
 http://www.planetalinux.com.ar/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=2118). Any 
suggestions?

"Shalom"     Erick Martinez
Estudiante de piano y composición.





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Re: Unable to boot Live Fedora on a USB flash drive

[Stewart Williams]

Mike Cloaked wrote:
> 
> 
> Stewart Williams wrote:
>> I am trying to create a LiveUSB drive using a 2GB USB flash drive, but
>> I'm being unsuccessful for some reason.
>>
>> Seems to complete without error
>>
>> 2. Boot Fedora 9 install on my desktop and prepare the USB stick as above
>> Run liveusb-creator GUI and select /dev/sdg1 as target, and
>> omega-10-desktop.iso as source (Also tried F10-Live-i686.iso as source)
>> Completes without error
>>
>> Does anyone know what I may be doing wrong?
>>
>>
> 
> One thing worth checking - make sure that your stick is un-mounted at the
> time you write the liveusb files to it.  I have been bitten by that in the
> past - there is no error message but the files don't get written to the
> stick unless it is umounted.
> 
> I use the method at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo
> 

That's the guide I've been following too.

And I have made sure it was unmounted before I wrote the image. IIRC it
don't let you proceed if the drive is mounted anyway.

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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Mon, 3/16/09, Arthur Pemberton  wrote:

> From: Arthur Pemberton 
> Subject: Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default
> To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." 
> 
> Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 12:01 PM
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Marc Wilson
>  wrote:
> > Is there any reason TO do this?  Other than that you
> don't like GDM?
> 
> It's ugly.
> 
> -- 
> Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin
> ( www.pembo13.com )
> 
> -- 

I "supposedly use gdm".  I don't even see it.  I autologin with the 
/etc/gdm/custom.conf file.  In several computers I have kdm, *used the kde 
livecd to install :)*

\begin{humor}
If you are married and your wife is ugly, would you just change her because of 
it?
Is that a good enough reason to change something?  
\end{humor}

I don't have a problem with either gdm or kdm.  Just as long as I can 
autologin, I am happy :)

However, many users are frustrated?/bothered?/?..? with the functionality of 
gdm.  It apparently has lost the functionality that it had in previous versions 
and this is why people are complaining about it.  Not that it is UGLY right?  

Regards,

Antonio 


  

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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 22:04 +0200, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote:
>> 2009/3/16 Arthur Pemberton :
>> > 2009/3/16 Joonas Sarajärvi :
>> >> 2009/3/16 Arthur Pemberton :
>> >>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Marc Wilson  wrote:
>>  Is there any reason TO do this?  Other than that you don't like GDM?
>> >>>
>> >>> It's ugly.
>> >>
>> >> I think it's functional and beautiful, even though some other login
>> >> managers have some options which GDM doesn't.
>> >>
>> >> I wouldn't want to use KDM if I happened to use Gnome. It would look
>> >> out of place and add tons of completely unnecessary dependencies.
>> >
>> >
>> > Seems like that rationale only holds water against non Gnome things.
>>
>> I'd guess there aren't currently KDE alternatives to most of the
>> system-config-* tools, which are based on GTK+. KDE software is used
>> where possible in the KDE spins.
>
> Most of these seem to be written in Python as far as I can see, i.e. any
> dependancy on GTK is indirect.
>
> poc

Please lookup PyGTK. It is a direct dependency on Gtk.

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Re: Unable to boot Live Fedora on a USB flash drive

[Mike Cloaked]

Stewart Williams wrote:
> 
> I am trying to create a LiveUSB drive using a 2GB USB flash drive, but
> I'm being unsuccessful for some reason.
> 
> Seems to complete without error
> 
> 2. Boot Fedora 9 install on my desktop and prepare the USB stick as above
> Run liveusb-creator GUI and select /dev/sdg1 as target, and
> omega-10-desktop.iso as source (Also tried F10-Live-i686.iso as source)
> Completes without error
> 
> Does anyone know what I may be doing wrong?
> 
> 

One thing worth checking - make sure that your stick is un-mounted at the
time you write the liveusb files to it.  I have been bitten by that in the
past - there is no error message but the files don't get written to the
stick unless it is umounted.

I use the method at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo

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Re: F10 and built-in Intel graphics

[Craig White]

On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 19:14 +, psmith wrote:
> Gordon Messmer wrote:
> > M A Young wrote:
> >>
> >> I recommend that you do a text based install (add text to the boot 
> >> line), and once you have it installed, boot to a text console (add 3 
> >> to the boot line), then add Option "NoAccel" "true" to the Device 
> >> section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> >
> > I'm curious whether it's necessary to disable acceleration entirely, 
> > or simply revert to the older XAA method.  On my Thinkpad X40, the 
> > Intel video driver in F10 had significant problems, where the driver 
> > on F9 was fine.  I could either use XAA or revert to the older driver 
> > to get proper rendering.
> >
> > I've attached a minimal xorg.conf.  I believe you can save it to 
> > /etc/X11 to test each of the options individually.  Try disabling 
> > accel, and then try using XAA (both options are in the file).  Let us 
> > know what kind of results you get, and then track down one of the 
> > bugzilla reports on this subject (I know a few are open) and add your 
> > information.
> >
> here is the pertinant section of the xorg.conf for my aspire one which 
> has intel gfx, this is on F10 and it works perfectly
> 
> Section "Device"
> Identifier  "Card0"
> Driver  "intel"
> VendorName  "Intel Corporation"
> BoardName   "Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller"
> VideoRam229376
> Option"MonitorLayout" "LVDS,VGA"
> Option"Clone" "true"
> Option"AccelMethod" "EXA"
> Option"MigrationHeuristic" "greedy"
> Option"CacheLines" "1980"
> BusID   "PCI:0:2:0"
> EndSection

you haven't by any chance figured out how to get LVDS to use a larger
virtual screen - say 1024 x 768 have you? I've been unable to do that on
my Aspire One.

Craig

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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 22:04 +0200, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote:
> 2009/3/16 Arthur Pemberton :
> > 2009/3/16 Joonas Sarajärvi :
> >> 2009/3/16 Arthur Pemberton :
> >>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Marc Wilson  wrote:
>  Is there any reason TO do this?  Other than that you don't like GDM?
> >>>
> >>> It's ugly.
> >>
> >> I think it's functional and beautiful, even though some other login
> >> managers have some options which GDM doesn't.
> >>
> >> I wouldn't want to use KDM if I happened to use Gnome. It would look
> >> out of place and add tons of completely unnecessary dependencies.
> >
> >
> > Seems like that rationale only holds water against non Gnome things.
> 
> I'd guess there aren't currently KDE alternatives to most of the
> system-config-* tools, which are based on GTK+. KDE software is used
> where possible in the KDE spins.

Most of these seem to be written in Python as far as I can see, i.e. any
dependancy on GTK is indirect.

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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Anne Wilson]

On Monday 16 March 2009 20:04:58 Joonas Sarajärvi wrote:
>
> I'd guess there aren't currently KDE alternatives to most of the
> system-config-* tools, which are based on GTK+. KDE software is used
> where possible in the KDE spins.
>
SystemSettings handles all KDE settings, and settings where they interact with 
KDE.  It doesn't handle things like SELinux.  I can't think of other examples, 
though there could well be some.

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Re: Work area in F10

[Aaron Konstam]

> >>
> >> Paul, I had already checked what you suggest: but I decided to re-boot
> >> and now everything is o.k.
> > That is consistant with the fact that you have to restart Gnome for the
> > change in preferences to appear.
> >>
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> Aaron,
> 
> you don't have to re-start Gnome to see change of preferences in those
> windowsactually you don't have to close the Preference Windows to
> see changes applied.
> 
By George! You are right. Sorry for the mistake
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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Joonas Sarajärvi]

2009/3/16 Arthur Pemberton :
> 2009/3/16 Joonas Sarajärvi :
>> 2009/3/16 Arthur Pemberton :
>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Marc Wilson  wrote:
 Is there any reason TO do this?  Other than that you don't like GDM?
>>>
>>> It's ugly.
>>
>> I think it's functional and beautiful, even though some other login
>> managers have some options which GDM doesn't.
>>
>> I wouldn't want to use KDM if I happened to use Gnome. It would look
>> out of place and add tons of completely unnecessary dependencies.
>
>
> Seems like that rationale only holds water against non Gnome things.

I'd guess there aren't currently KDE alternatives to most of the
system-config-* tools, which are based on GTK+. KDE software is used
where possible in the KDE spins.



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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Mike Cloaked]

Mike Cloaked wrote:
> 
> 
>> install, and use it then you can create a file /etc/sysconfig/desktop
>> and put into it lines like the following:
>> DESKTOP="GNOME"
>> DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
>> The latter sets kdm to be the login manager.  If you restart X then
> 
> 

If you want to change the settings to use kdm instead of gdm, then you can
alternatively run "systemsettings" which is in /usr/bin - 
click advanced
choose login manager

That is it which is a simple alternative way to achieve this ...
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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Tom Horsley]

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:57:43 -0700
Marc Wilson wrote:

> Really.  Describe this "rational" behavior, please.  What "configuration"
> does the login manager need?

You must not have started reading from the beginning of the thread.
The primary objection is from people who have lots of users defined.
The foolish, slavishly copied, windows login behavior of having a
GUI list of users to select from becomes hopelessly cumbersome, not
to mention slow to draw.

I only have one user and I find it cumbersome as well. If I click on
my name, it takes a fantastic amount of time (given that computers
are reputed to be faster than people) to redraw so I can start
typing in the password field. I have to pause and wait for it before
I can login.

The layout of the screen is also utterly foolish. The options to
select which kind of session to login as are way down on the bottom
of the screen, as far away from your eye line as they can get them,
and they don't even appear until you select a user, so unless you
somehow happen to search the screen for additional controls after
picking a user, but before logging in, you spend a lot of time being
frustrated that you can't change your login session because you
never even saw the $...@! hidden controls.

Then we really do get to the fact that it doesn't have knobs to
tweak. Once upon a time you could control the X server startup
options. If you wanted to remove the -nolisten tcp option, you
could do that, if you wanted to increase the debug level of the
information dumped to the X log file, you could do that, if you
wanted to set the -dpi option, you could do that.

Finally, to reinforce the "ugly" comments, if you don't
have any local users (all NIS, for instance), the login screen
consists of a dialog box that just says:

Other...

What on earth does that mean?

And in order to achieve such a worthless behavior, the source
for gdm is something like umpteen million lines of code for
a gazillion interlocking programs which communicate via dbus.
How on earth could anyone make such a simple task so insanely
complex?

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RE: Problem running Oracle 10g in Fedora 10

[Alan J. Gagne]

Your first error looks to be you do not have a hostname.FQD in your host 
file. Oracle will not like fedora10.localdomain.


Personally I would run, not walk from this installation on Fedora 10. 
You may have a better chance with 11G as 10G
is getting old vs Fedora 10.  I see you already posted for help for 11g 
on Fedora 10 without any responses.


If you just need a oracle database you can use the free XE rpm. Just 
download from OTN.oracle.com then use yum to
install ( yum --nogpgcheck localinstall 
oracle-xe-univ-10.2.0.1-1.0.i386.rpm) and run the configuration script 
(/etc/init.d/oracle-xe configure).


If you need the full blown install of Oracle. You may want to look at 
latest Centos or Oracle Unbreakable Linux.
They are both based on Red Hat EL5 and should allow for a more trouble 
free install of either 10 or 11G.


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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Mike Cloaked]

Beartooth Sciurivore wrote:
> 
> 
>> install, and use it then you can create a file /etc/sysconfig/desktop
>> and put into it lines like the following:
>> DESKTOP="GNOME"
>> DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
>> The latter sets kdm to be the login manager.  If you restart X then
>> first time you try to login you need to select which desktop session
>> type you want - and then it becomes your default on that machine.
> 
>   Sorry -- you're about 101.5 yards over my head. I wasn't even 
> thinking about installs nor spins. Maybe that means I shouldn't be trying 
> this.
> 
>   /etc/sysconfig does not presently contain any file nor folder 
> called desktop. If I create a file, with just those two lines, and call 
> 
> 

Yes you will find that there is currently no file with this name.
You need to become root, then
cd /etc/sysconfig
then use any text editor to create a file, which MUST be called desktop,
containing the two lines I quoted above. The first line will give a gnome
desktop by default if GNOME is between the quotes, and if you use KDE then
the default desktop is KDE4. In the second line KDE (note it is not KDM in
that file!) will select KDM as the login manager.

If you either restart X or reboot the machine then when X starts KDM will be
the login manager and will remain so unless you change the desktop file you
created.

You will then have the KDM greeter but when you login you will get the gnome
desktop by default.  When the greeter opens you can use the pull down menu
below the list of usernames to select a KDE login instead if you wish. First
time you use it you will be required to select gnome or kde otherwise it
won't log you in.





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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Arthur Pemberton]

2009/3/16 Joonas Sarajärvi :
> 2009/3/16 Arthur Pemberton :
>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Marc Wilson  wrote:
>>> Is there any reason TO do this?  Other than that you don't like GDM?
>>
>> It's ugly.
>
> I think it's functional and beautiful, even though some other login
> managers have some options which GDM doesn't.
>
> I wouldn't want to use KDM if I happened to use Gnome. It would look
> out of place and add tons of completely unnecessary dependencies.


Seems like that rationale only holds water against non Gnome things.


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Re: F10 and built-in Intel graphics

[Mike Cloaked]

Matthew Saltzman-2 wrote:
> 
> I have a Dell P4 desktop machine with a built-in Intel graphics card.
> lspci reports:
> 
> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller Intel Corp
> 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device
> (rev 01)
> 
> The graphical installer freezes and X freezes after a short time
> (usually seconds or tens of seconds) after starting (even with a fully
> updated system).  I've seen reports of issues with the Intel graphics
> driver on F10, but does anyone have a way of making this work or does
> anyone know what the status is of the driver?
> 
> 

Yeah this is one of the issues I had - with the same chipset - I called the
vesa driver in the kernel boot line  (adding xdriver=vesa) to get going and
then changed the grub entry to do this for the next boot. I also added
"nomodeset" as well!

The Intel Integrated Graphics is currently the subject of much needed
development for F11 since there is a big push to get kms working with these.
You will see a current project to test the state of this in Fedora Test
List.

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Re: Problem running Oracle 10g in Fedora 10

[Alexander Dalloz]

GMS S schrieb:
> Hi,
> I installed Oracle 10g in Fedora 10.
> Going there:
> /u01/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/db_1/bin
> 
> In the termnal I typed ./sqlplus
> Output:
> 
> Code: Select all
> [ora...@fedora10 bin]$ ./sqlplus
> Error 6 initializing SQL*Plus
> Message file sp1.msb not found
> SP2-0750: You may need to set ORACLE_HOME to your Oracle software 
> directory
> 
> 
> What should I do now?

Did you set $ORACLE_HOME as being asked? Or better, follow

http://www.puschitz.com/InstallingOracle10g.shtml#SettingOracleEnvironments

> After installation ,after 85% of database creation the process stops and 
> showed messages like this:
> /u01/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/db_1/cfgtoollogs/dbca/DB11G
> 
> Code: Select all
> Exception in getting local host
> java.net.UnknownHostException: fedora10.localdomain: fedora10.localdomain

Be sure your /etc/hosts is sane. Do NOT delete or modify the 2 localhost
related entries

127.0.0.1   localhost.localdomain   localhost
::1 localhost6.localdomain6 localhost6

Use a dedicated line for your hostname and IP

1.2.3.4 oracle.example.com  oracle

Be sure HOSTNAME in /etc/sysconfig/network is set as the same.


And best what you can do is closely reading

http://www.puschitz.com/InstallingOracle10g.shtml

Regards

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Re: F10 and built-in Intel graphics

[psmith]

Gordon Messmer wrote:

M A Young wrote:


I recommend that you do a text based install (add text to the boot 
line), and once you have it installed, boot to a text console (add 3 
to the boot line), then add Option "NoAccel" "true" to the Device 
section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf


I'm curious whether it's necessary to disable acceleration entirely, 
or simply revert to the older XAA method.  On my Thinkpad X40, the 
Intel video driver in F10 had significant problems, where the driver 
on F9 was fine.  I could either use XAA or revert to the older driver 
to get proper rendering.


I've attached a minimal xorg.conf.  I believe you can save it to 
/etc/X11 to test each of the options individually.  Try disabling 
accel, and then try using XAA (both options are in the file).  Let us 
know what kind of results you get, and then track down one of the 
bugzilla reports on this subject (I know a few are open) and add your 
information.


here is the pertinant section of the xorg.conf for my aspire one which 
has intel gfx, this is on F10 and it works perfectly


Section "Device"
   Identifier  "Card0"
   Driver  "intel"
   VendorName  "Intel Corporation"
   BoardName   "Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller"
   VideoRam229376
   Option"MonitorLayout" "LVDS,VGA"
   Option"Clone" "true"
   Option"AccelMethod" "EXA"
   Option"MigrationHeuristic" "greedy"
   Option"CacheLines" "1980"
   BusID   "PCI:0:2:0"
EndSection


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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Joonas Sarajärvi]

2009/3/16 Arthur Pemberton :
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Marc Wilson  wrote:
>> Is there any reason TO do this?  Other than that you don't like GDM?
>
> It's ugly.

I think it's functional and beautiful, even though some other login
managers have some options which GDM doesn't.

I wouldn't want to use KDM if I happened to use Gnome. It would look
out of place and add tons of completely unnecessary dependencies.
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Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 20:22 +1030, Tim wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 20:53 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > I meant how do you know the time is spent filtering (rather than say
> > polling the server or downloading mail)?
> 
> That's easy:  Fetch a scad of mail when you have filters set, versus
> fetch a scad of mail when you don't have any filters set.
> 
> Unmolested, they romp into the inbox very quickly.  When filtering puts
> its fingers in, it's far worse than fetching mail over dial-up.

I guess that would depend on:

* how many filters you have
* what the filters do
* what order they appear in

I can only repeat what I've already said: I don't have this problem. In
fact I can't recall anyone on the Evo list making comments of this
nature (and it's not a bunch to keep quiet about a problem :-)

If this is serious enough to make you switch MUAs, perhaps it merits a
Bugzilla report.

poc

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Re: MPEG-1 read support

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 15:06 +, Dave Bolt IT Solutions wrote:
> Well, I don't know about wikipedia articles, some are good but others are 
> not so good.
> Personally, I look on the Applications menu in Fedora, under Sound and Video 
> on Fedora 10, for something that looks like a movie player. If it's not 
> there, I take a look at the available packages in 
> System->Administration->Add/Remove Software for various things. 

He wasn't asking how to play movies, he was asking why MPEG-1 support is
not built-in to Fedora, which is a question about licensing.

And please desist from top-posting on this list. See the Guidelines.

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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Marc Wilson  wrote:
> Is there any reason TO do this?  Other than that you don't like GDM?

It's ugly.

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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Marc Wilson]

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 04:35:02PM -0400, Mail Lists wrote:
>   gdm has become, frankly, really awful.

In what way?  It doesn't have some infinite number of knobs for you to
twist?

>   Can we just make kdm the default - it is so much simpler to configure
> and it behaves the way any rational administrator expects.

Really.  Describe this "rational" behavior, please.  What "configuration"
does the login manager need?

>   Is there any reason not to do this ?

Is there any reason TO do this?  Other than that you don't like GDM?

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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Alan Evans  wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Mail Lists wrote:
>>
>>  gdm has become, frankly, really awful.
>>
>>  Can we just make kdm the default - it is so much simpler to configure
>> and it behaves the way any rational administrator expects.
>>
>>  kdm is part of Fedora anyway ... leave gnome as the default desktop,
>> just replace the login manager part with something that behaves better.
>>
>>  Bonus, it even looks nicer!!
>>
>>  Is there any reason not to do this ?
>
> Besides that looking nicer is simply a matter of opinion? (Anything
> that looks "out of place" on my machine is considered to not look
> nice, regardless of how aesthetically pleasing it might be in it's own
> right.)
>
> How about the fact that kdm pulls in essentially all of kde along with
> it?

GDM does similar.

> Ok, maybe not *all* of kde, but those with purely gnome-based

KDE users don't get pure KDE systems, you learn to live with it.

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Problem running Oracle 10g in Fedora 10

[GMS S]

Hi,
I installed Oracle 10g in Fedora 10.
Going there:
/u01/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/db_1/bin

In the termnal I typed ./sqlplus
Output:

Code: Select all
[ora...@fedora10 bin]$ ./sqlplus
Error 6 initializing SQL*Plus
Message file sp1.msb not found
SP2-0750: You may need to set ORACLE_HOME to your Oracle software directory


What should I do now?

After installation ,after 85% of database creation the process stops and showed 
messages like this:
/u01/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/db_1/cfgtoollogs/dbca/DB11G

Code: Select all
Exception in getting local host
java.net.UnknownHostException: fedora10.localdomain: fedora10.localdomain
   at java.net.InetAddress.getAllByName0(InetAddress.java:1011)
   at java.net.InetAddress.getAllByName0(InetAddress.java:981)
   at java.net.InetAddress.getAllByName(InetAddress.java:975)
   at java.net.InetAddress.getByName(InetAddress.java:889)
   at 
oracle.sysman.emSDK.conf.TargetInstaller.getLocalHost(TargetInstaller.java:4983)
   at 
oracle.sysman.emSDK.conf.TargetInstaller.main(TargetInstaller.java:3758)

Mar 17, 2009 12:21:27 AM oracle.sysman.emcp.util.PlatformInterface 
executeCommand
WARNING: Error executing /u01/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/db_1/bin/emctl 
start dbconsole
Mar 17, 2009 12:21:27 AM oracle.sysman.emcp.EMConfig perform
SEVERE: Error starting Database Control
Refer to the log file at 
/u01/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/db_1/cfgtoollogs/dbca/DB11G/emConfig.log for 
more details.
Mar 17, 2009 12:21:27 AM oracle.sysman.emcp.EMConfig perform
CONFIG: Stack Trace:
oracle.sysman.emcp.exception.EMConfigException: Error starting Database 
Control
   at 
oracle.sysman.emcp.EMDBPostConfig.performConfiguration(EMDBPostConfig.java:565)
   at oracle.sysman.emcp.EMDBPostConfig.invoke(EMDBPostConfig.java:177)
   at oracle.sysman.emcp.EMDBPostConfig.invoke(EMDBPostConfig.java:146)
   at oracle.sysman.emcp.EMConfig.perform(EMConfig.java:155)
   at 
oracle.sysman.assistants.util.em.EMConfiguration.run(EMConfiguration.java:426)
   at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:534)


  

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Re: Unable to boot Live Fedora on a USB flash drive

[Stewart Williams]

Richard Shaw wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Stewart Williams
>  wrote:
>> I am trying to create a LiveUSB drive using a 2GB USB flash drive, but
>> I'm being unsuccessful for some reason.
>>
>> Ideally I was hoping to create one based on Omega-10, but I get the same
>> problems with Fedora.
>>
>> Here's what I have tried:
>>
>> 1. Creating a LiveCD from omega-10-desktop.iso and boot it (which works
>> fine).
>> Plug in USB stick, fdisk it as one partition, type 6 (fat 16) then
>> format it by running 'mkfs.msdos -F 16 -n usbdisk /dev/sdg1'
>> As root running 'livecd-iso-to-disk /dev/live /dev/sdg1'
>> Seems to complete without error
>>
>> 2. Boot Fedora 9 install on my desktop and prepare the USB stick as above
>> Run liveusb-creator GUI and select /dev/sdg1 as target, and
>> omega-10-desktop.iso as source (Also tried F10-Live-i686.iso as source)
>> Completes without error
>>
>> However when I try and boot of the stick either by physically booting
>> using the BIOS or testing with QEMU I get the following errors:
>>
>> Running 'qemu -hda /dev/sdg -m 256 -std-vga' or booting using a physical
>> PC I get a garbled prompt
>>
>> http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?07644a5805.png
>>
>> Running 'qemu -hda /dev/sdg1 -m 256 -std-vga' I get an error stating
>> that it can find the root filesystem
>>
>> http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?159f02408f.png
>>
>> Does anyone know what I may be doing wrong?
>>
>> Many Thanks.
> 
> It looks like in the first case it doesn't like the MBR. I get
> something similar when I leave my iPod connected to my work laptop on
> reboot. One thing, not all usb sticks like all BIOS's. It could be the
> stick, it could be your BIOS, no good way to tell that I know of.
> 
> Richard
> 

Hi Richard

I don't think it's a BIOS issue, as I've tried to boot from it on 2
different desktops, an eee-pc and qemu.

But it could be the stick. I will try another and report back.

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Re: Citrix client for F10?

[Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak]

fred smith wrote:

Trying to install the latest Citrix client (downloaded from Citrix) and it
insists on libXm.so.4. I have only libxm.so.2.

The citrix web page says it requires OpenMOTIF 2.3.1 or later. I see 
Fedora isn't distributinig OpenMOTIF, but instead lesstif, which seems to

have only libXm.so.2.0.1.

I've tried: ln -s /usr/lib/libXm.so.2.0.1 /usr/lib/libXm.so.4
but that doesn't help, RPM still complains it needs libXm.so.4.

Downloading OpenMOTIF requires registration, which I'm not especially
interested in doing.

Anybody know how to get this working on F10?


It can be done, I do it. You need a copy of 
openmotif-2.2.3-10.FC4.2.i386.rpm. From my notes:


1) yum install libXp.i386

2) open openmotif-2.2.3-10.FC4.2.i386.rpm using file-roller, and extract 
the libXm.so.3.0.2 to /usr/lib


3) ln -s /usr/lib/libXm.so.3.0.2 /usr/lib/libXm.so.3

4) rpm -ivh ICAClient*

5) ln -s /usr/lib/ICAClient/npica.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/

6) chcon -t textrel_shlib_t /usr/lib/ICAClient/npica.so


Hope this helps.

- Mike

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Installing F10 on a Computer with a RAID System

[Rick Bilonick]

Any pointers for installing F10 on a 64-bit server with raid? There is a
3ware 9650SE Serial ATA RAID controller which is supported by Red Hat
and Fedora according to the hardware manual.

When I boot the F10 install disk, it does not see any drives.

Rick B.

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Re: Citrix client for F10?

[Tom Horsley]

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:11:53 -0400
fred smith wrote:

> Anybody know how to get this working on F10?

Not exactly F10, but I have managed to use the java version of
the citrix client running in internet explorer on a virtual
Windows XP system.

I tried the java client on fedora, and even with sun's java
plugin and a 32 bit firefox I couldn't get it to work right.
Only in IE will the java client work (for me, anyway).

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Re: F10 and built-in Intel graphics

[Clemens Eisserer]

Hi really hope the intel-devs get it right soon.
Starting with Fedora9 2D performance decreased from release to
release, and intel-2.6 was totally broken.

Now I am testing 2.6.902 and it frequently hangs and leaks tons of memory.
Although performance has recovered in some cases, some applications
(GTK1, Java) are barely useable.

Yes, there's a lot new code (and a lot forked, too) and a lot of
improvements, but what was shipped with 2.6 as stable was pre-beta.

- Clemens

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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Alan Evans]

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Mail Lists wrote:
>
>  gdm has become, frankly, really awful.
>
>  Can we just make kdm the default - it is so much simpler to configure
> and it behaves the way any rational administrator expects.
>
>  kdm is part of Fedora anyway ... leave gnome as the default desktop,
> just replace the login manager part with something that behaves better.
>
>  Bonus, it even looks nicer!!
>
>  Is there any reason not to do this ?

Besides that looking nicer is simply a matter of opinion? (Anything
that looks "out of place" on my machine is considered to not look
nice, regardless of how aesthetically pleasing it might be in it's own
right.)

How about the fact that kdm pulls in essentially all of kde along with
it? Ok, maybe not *all* of kde, but those with purely gnome-based
installs might want to take into consideration the 100+MB install just
to get a new display manager. That's probably not a big deal on my
quad-core development machine at work with a T1 pipe to the internet,
but that's a *huge* deal on my (no-harddrive) netbook which gets
updated through my slow DSL at home.

Add to that the ongoing updates for all those new packages that are
only there to "support" the display manager...

I'd rather see gdm fixed someday.

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Re: F10 and built-in Intel graphics

[Gordon Messmer]

M A Young wrote:


I recommend that you do a text based install (add text to the boot 
line), and once you have it installed, boot to a text console (add 3 to 
the boot line), then add Option "NoAccel" "true" to the Device section 
of /etc/X11/xorg.conf


I'm curious whether it's necessary to disable acceleration entirely, or 
simply revert to the older XAA method.  On my Thinkpad X40, the Intel 
video driver in F10 had significant problems, where the driver on F9 was 
fine.  I could either use XAA or revert to the older driver to get 
proper rendering.


I've attached a minimal xorg.conf.  I believe you can save it to 
/etc/X11 to test each of the options individually.  Try disabling accel, 
and then try using XAA (both options are in the file).  Let us know what 
kind of results you get, and then track down one of the bugzilla reports 
on this subject (I know a few are open) and add your information.


Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier  "Default"
Screen  "Screen0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier  "Screen0"
Device  "Videocard0"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier  "Videocard0"
Driver  "intel"
Option "NoAccel" "true"
#Option "AccelMethod" "XAA"
EndSection
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Citrix client for F10?

[fred smith]

Trying to install the latest Citrix client (downloaded from Citrix) and it
insists on libXm.so.4. I have only libxm.so.2.

The citrix web page says it requires OpenMOTIF 2.3.1 or later. I see 
Fedora isn't distributinig OpenMOTIF, but instead lesstif, which seems to
have only libXm.so.2.0.1.

I've tried: ln -s /usr/lib/libXm.so.2.0.1 /usr/lib/libXm.so.4
but that doesn't help, RPM still complains it needs libXm.so.4.

Downloading OpenMOTIF requires registration, which I'm not especially
interested in doing.

Anybody know how to get this working on F10?

Thanks!

Fred
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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Arthur Pemberton]

2009/3/16 Paolo Galtieri :
> If you want to run kdm instead od gdm do the following at a console login
> (ctl-alt-f1) after logging in as root
>
> mv /usr/sbin/gdm /usr/sbin/gdm.orig
> init 3
> init 5


Or just uninstall GDM

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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Rick Stevens]

Paolo Galtieri wrote:

If you want to run kdm instead od gdm do the following at a console login
(ctl-alt-f1) after logging in as root

mv /usr/sbin/gdm /usr/sbin/gdm.orig
init 3
init 5

This will start kdm.  The file to look at is /etc/X11/perfdm which is just a
shell script that starts the appropriate display manager


That's /etc/X11/prefdm and what Paolo is suggesting is way too drastic.
The "correct" way to do it is to edit (or create) /etc/sysconfig/desktop
and change (or create) the "DISPLAYMANAGER" variable and set it to KDE:

DISPLAYMANGER=KDE

Then restart X as you normally would.  If the /etc/sysconfig/desktop
file does NOT exist, then the following managers are tried in order:

gdm
kdm
wdm
xdm

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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Todd Zullinger]

Paolo Galtieri wrote:
> If you want to run kdm instead od gdm do the following at a console
> login (ctl-alt-f1) after logging in as root

VT1 is X on F10 and newer.  So you'd want to use ctrl-alt-f2 to get a
console.

> mv /usr/sbin/gdm /usr/sbin/gdm.orig

Why move system files around?  The next update will just put the file
back anyway, so that seems like a bad way to change the default.

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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Paolo Galtieri]

If you want to run kdm instead od gdm do the following at a console login
(ctl-alt-f1) after logging in as root

mv /usr/sbin/gdm /usr/sbin/gdm.orig
init 3
init 5

This will start kdm.  The file to look at is /etc/X11/perfdm which is just a
shell script that starts the appropriate display manager

Paolo

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Beartooth  wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:07:44 -0700, Mike Cloaked wrote:
>
> > Beartooth Sciurivore wrote:
>
> >>  OK, I'll try -- and if I can handle it, anyone can. Where is that
> >> default, and how do I change it??
>
> > I am not where in Fedora the login manager is set to the default so that
> > an install gives kdm - but if you want to switch from gdm after the
> > install, and use it then you can create a file /etc/sysconfig/desktop
> > and put into it lines like the following:
> > DESKTOP="GNOME"
> > DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
> > The latter sets kdm to be the login manager.  If you restart X then
> > first time you try to login you need to select which desktop session
> > type you want - and then it becomes your default on that machine.
>
> Sorry -- you're about 101.5 yards over my head. I wasn't even
> thinking about installs nor spins. Maybe that means I shouldn't be trying
> this.
>
>/etc/sysconfig does not presently contain any file nor folder
> called desktop. If I create a file, with just those two lines, and call
> it that, will something read it and comply?? Or is */sysconfig/desktop
> some generic standard that I ought to know about to be doing this?
>
> > You can edit the config files ( in /etc/kde/kdm ) yourself but it is
> > easier to login to kde and then use the graphical settings system to
> > change things.
>
> Hmmm ... I was hoping to be able to change just that one thing,
> and not have to use KDE otherwise at all. (I run Konqueror, mainly for
> man pages, and K3B -- and as little else from KDE as I can; but I concur
> in not liking the present gnome login.)
>
> > I guess that if you are spinning an iso and wanted kdm to be the default
> > then you would have to alter a source file somewhere but I have not
> > delved into that.
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Re: Running a sudo command without a terminal

[Rick Stevens]

Geoffrey Leach wrote:
I need to run 'sudo ' outside of a terminal (xterm or gnome 
terminal). For example from Sessions->Startup Programs or the Command 
Line applet. Seem to me that there is a configuration file option that 
permits this.


Advice? Thanks.


The option is "requiretty" and you'll need to set to off.  Just comment
out the line:

Defaultsrequiretty

in your /etc/sudoers file by using visudo.
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Re: Running a sudo command without a terminal

[iarly selbir]

If I understood right you need is comment this line in youu /etc/sudoers:

# Defaultsrequiretty

more information ( man 5 /etc/sudoers )

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On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Geoffrey Leach  wrote:

> I need to run 'sudo ' outside of a terminal (xterm or gnome
> terminal). For example from Sessions->Startup Programs or the Command
> Line applet. Seem to me that there is a configuration file option that
> permits this.
>
> Advice? Thanks.
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Re: xfce 4.6.0 for F9

[psmith]

Kevin Fenzi wrote:

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:06:18 +
psmith  wrote:

  

hi kevin, i don't mean to rush you but are you any nearer to having
these built for F10?



Sorry for the delay... been busy of late. ;( 

I will try and get something setup this week. 

  

tia
phil



kevin
  

no problem at all for the delay, just whenever your ready :)

phil

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Running a sudo command without a terminal

[Geoffrey Leach]

I need to run 'sudo ' outside of a terminal (xterm or gnome 
terminal). For example from Sessions->Startup Programs or the Command 
Line applet. Seem to me that there is a configuration file option that 
permits this.

Advice? Thanks.


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Re: F10 and built-in Intel graphics

[Mike Cloaked]

Matthew Saltzman-2 wrote:
> 
> I have a Dell P4 desktop machine with a built-in Intel graphics card.
> lspci reports:
> 
> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller Intel Corp
> 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device
> (rev 01)
> 
> The graphical installer freezes and X freezes after a short time
> (usually seconds or tens of seconds) after starting (even with a fully
> 
> 

Yeah this is one of the issues I had - with the same chipset - I called the
vesa driver in the kernel boot line  (adding xdriver=vesa) to get going and
then changed the grub entry to do this for the next boot. I also added
"nomodeset" as well!

HTH

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Re: F10 and built-in Intel graphics

[suvayu ali]

2009/3/16 M A Young 
>
> I recommend that you do a text based install (add text to the boot line), and 
> once you have it >installed, boot to a text console (add 3 to the boot line), 
> then add Option "NoAccel" "true" to the >Device section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
>
On a fresh install he probably won't have an xorg.conf since this is
F10. And the default install also doesn't include
system-config-display. What he needs to do is generate an xorg.conf
using either

$ Xorg -configure

or, install system-config-display using yum and use

$ system-config-display --tui

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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Beartooth]

On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:07:44 -0700, Mike Cloaked wrote:

> Beartooth Sciurivore wrote:
 
>>  OK, I'll try -- and if I can handle it, anyone can. Where is that
>> default, and how do I change it??
 
> I am not where in Fedora the login manager is set to the default so that
> an install gives kdm - but if you want to switch from gdm after the
> install, and use it then you can create a file /etc/sysconfig/desktop
> and put into it lines like the following:
> DESKTOP="GNOME"
> DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
> The latter sets kdm to be the login manager.  If you restart X then
> first time you try to login you need to select which desktop session
> type you want - and then it becomes your default on that machine.

Sorry -- you're about 101.5 yards over my head. I wasn't even 
thinking about installs nor spins. Maybe that means I shouldn't be trying 
this.

/etc/sysconfig does not presently contain any file nor folder 
called desktop. If I create a file, with just those two lines, and call 
it that, will something read it and comply?? Or is */sysconfig/desktop 
some generic standard that I ought to know about to be doing this?
 
> You can edit the config files ( in /etc/kde/kdm ) yourself but it is
> easier to login to kde and then use the graphical settings system to
> change things.

Hmmm ... I was hoping to be able to change just that one thing, 
and not have to use KDE otherwise at all. (I run Konqueror, mainly for 
man pages, and K3B -- and as little else from KDE as I can; but I concur 
in not liking the present gnome login.)
 
> I guess that if you are spinning an iso and wanted kdm to be the default
> then you would have to alter a source file somewhere but I have not
> delved into that.
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Re: F10 and built-in Intel graphics

[M A Young]

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, Matthew Saltzman wrote:


I have a Dell P4 desktop machine with a built-in Intel graphics card.
lspci reports:

   00:02.0 VGA compatible controller Intel Corp
   82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device
   (rev 01)

The graphical installer freezes and X freezes after a short time
(usually seconds or tens of seconds) after starting (even with a fully
updated system).  I've seen reports of issues with the Intel graphics
driver on F10, but does anyone have a way of making this work or does
anyone know what the status is of the driver?

I'd consider putting another card in, but the only slots in the machine
are PCI and it hardly seems worth it, as I got the machine for free and
it will mostly be running relatively non-graphics-intensive Windows XP
stuff.


I recommend that you do a text based install (add text to the boot line), 
and once you have it installed, boot to a text console (add 3 to the boot 
line), then add Option "NoAccel" "true" to the Device section of 
/etc/X11/xorg.conf


Michael Young

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Re: xfce 4.6.0 for F9

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:06:18 +
psmith  wrote:

> 
> hi kevin, i don't mean to rush you but are you any nearer to having
> these built for F10?

Sorry for the delay... been busy of late. ;( 

I will try and get something setup this week. 

> tia
> phil

kevin


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Re: xfce 4.6.0 for F9

[psmith]

Kevin Fenzi wrote:



On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:42:25 +
phil  wrote:



kevin is it major surgery to build xfce 4.6 in F10? as i've 

literally >>>just finished downloading the full source tarball, (and the
graphical >>>installer in case i came up against to much problems lol)
and if it's >>>going to be a major hassle i'll just pass for now as my
aspire one is >>>running pretty sweet and i don't want to rock the boat,
also if your >>>going to build it for F10 i can wait for that ;)


F10 shouldn't be too bad.



I do have a local repo here, but I haven't updated it yet to the >4.6.0
final packages. Also, I haven't tried to rebuild all the plugins for 
F10.


I can update that and let you know where the repo is if you want to 
test them?



kevin




that would be great kevin, just let me know when your repo is ready 

and >i'll get to testing them out :)


phil



hi kevin, i don't mean to rush you but are you any nearer to having
these built for F10?

tia
phil

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F10 and built-in Intel graphics

[Matthew Saltzman]

I have a Dell P4 desktop machine with a built-in Intel graphics card.
lspci reports:

00:02.0 VGA compatible controller Intel Corp
82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device
(rev 01)

The graphical installer freezes and X freezes after a short time
(usually seconds or tens of seconds) after starting (even with a fully
updated system).  I've seen reports of issues with the Intel graphics
driver on F10, but does anyone have a way of making this work or does
anyone know what the status is of the driver?

I'd consider putting another card in, but the only slots in the machine
are PCI and it hardly seems worth it, as I got the machine for free and
it will mostly be running relatively non-graphics-intensive Windows XP
stuff.

TIA.
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Re: MPEG-1 read support

[Dave Bolt IT Solutions]

Well, I don't know about wikipedia articles, some are good but others are 
not so good.
Personally, I look on the Applications menu in Fedora, under Sound and Video 
on Fedora 10, for something that looks like a movie player. If it's not 
there, I take a look at the available packages in 
System->Administration->Add/Remove Software for various things. 
Interestingly, on my current setup a search for movie does not find "Movie 
player for GNOME", but a search for totem does, so try various searches.
Having got a movie player installed, try it with the file you want to play 
and see what happens.
In my case, using Totem, a popup informed me that support for mpeg-1 and 
mpeg-2 was required and asked if I wanted to search. I did, and two 
gstreamer related packages were found and installed. Package-kit found a 
number of other updates which I also installed, and I had to restart Totem 
before it recognised that the support was now installed, but I'm looking at 
my home movies from about 5 years back.

Regards
Dave
- Original Message - 
From: ""Stanisław T. Findeisen"" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:36 AM
Subject: MPEG-1 read support



Why doesn't Fedora have MPEG-1 support (playing)?

Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-1#Patents they say: "MPEG-1 video 
and Layer I/II audio may be able to be implemented without payment of 
license fees.". And it looks that there are various GPL programs/codecs 
ready.


So what's the problem?

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Re: Work area in F10

[fred smith]

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:53:10AM +0100, Antonio M wrote:
> 2009/3/16 Anne Wilson :
> > On Monday 16 March 2009 09:22:04 Antonio M wrote:
> >> I had 4 work area on the bar, now I have only one and I cannot choose
> >> more than one. Why??
> >>
> > I don't know what could have changed it for you, but (assuming you are 
> > running
> > KDE) to change it back try right-click on the 'work area on the bar' and you
> > should see 'Configure Desktops'.  That's where you can set the number.
> >
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> Anne
> 
> I am using Gnome and of course I have already done what you suggest: I
> write 4 in the preference window but I always get one!!!
> And I had four, I am sure.
> Some bug???

I've seen this on my F10 system too (eeepc 901). It comes and goes. If I
log off and back on most likely it will be right the next time. I'm using
Gnome, BTW.

There are other odd intermittent things that go wrong, too. One of them is
that sometimes the font size for the window title reverts to the gigantic
font that is the default size. Again, log off and back on will USUALLY fix it
When it is in that bad state, looking at the font size configuration shows the
size I've previously chosen, NOT the size it is actually displaying.

I didn't see anything in the RH bugzilla about it, but I may not have been
searching for the right terms.


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Shutdown after playback in Totem

[Joseph L. Casale]

Anyway to do this? Aside from the boxed plugins, it doesn't look like
anymore exist, anyone know of a site that has any I could search through?

Thanks!
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Re: Work area in F10

[Antonio M]

2009/3/16 Aaron Konstam :
> On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 13:21 +0100, Antonio M wrote:
>> 2009/3/16 Paul W. Frields :
>> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:53:10AM +0100, Antonio M wrote:
>> >> 2009/3/16 Anne Wilson :
>> >> > On Monday 16 March 2009 09:22:04 Antonio M wrote:
>> >> >> I had 4 work area on the bar, now I have only one and I cannot choose
>> >> >> more than one. Why??
>> >> >>
>> >> > I don't know what could have changed it for you, but (assuming you are 
>> >> > running
>> >> > KDE) to change it back try right-click on the 'work area on the bar' 
>> >> > and you
>> >> > should see 'Configure Desktops'.  That's where you can set the number.
>> >> >
>> >> > Anne
>> >> > --
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>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Anne
>> >>
>> >> I am using Gnome and of course I have already done what you suggest: I
>> >> write 4 in the preference window but I always get one!!!
>> >> And I had four, I am sure.
>> >> Some bug???
>> >
>> > Also make sure that in the preferences, "Show only this window" is
>> > *not* selected.
>> >
>> > --
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>> >
>>
>> Paul, I had already checked what you suggest: but I decided to re-boot
>> and now everything is o.k.
> That is consistant with the fact that you have to restart Gnome for the
> change in preferences to appear.
>>
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Aaron,

you don't have to re-start Gnome to see change of preferences in those
windowsactually you don't have to close the Preference Windows to
see changes applied.


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Re: Work area in F10

[Aaron Konstam]

On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 13:21 +0100, Antonio M wrote:
> 2009/3/16 Paul W. Frields :
> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:53:10AM +0100, Antonio M wrote:
> >> 2009/3/16 Anne Wilson :
> >> > On Monday 16 March 2009 09:22:04 Antonio M wrote:
> >> >> I had 4 work area on the bar, now I have only one and I cannot choose
> >> >> more than one. Why??
> >> >>
> >> > I don't know what could have changed it for you, but (assuming you are 
> >> > running
> >> > KDE) to change it back try right-click on the 'work area on the bar' and 
> >> > you
> >> > should see 'Configure Desktops'.  That's where you can set the number.
> >> >
> >> > Anne
> >> > --
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> >>
> >> Anne
> >>
> >> I am using Gnome and of course I have already done what you suggest: I
> >> write 4 in the preference window but I always get one!!!
> >> And I had four, I am sure.
> >> Some bug???
> >
> > Also make sure that in the preferences, "Show only this window" is
> > *not* selected.
> >
> > --
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> >
> 
> Paul, I had already checked what you suggest: but I decided to re-boot
> and now everything is o.k.
That is consistant with the fact that you have to restart Gnome for the
change in preferences to appear.
> 
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Re: Google earth on fedora 10 x86_64

[Mogens Kjaer]

red one wrote:
...
> ./googleearth-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1:
> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

You'll need to install mesa-libGL.i386

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Google earth on fedora 10 x86_64

[red one]

Hello Mailing list,
  anybody succeeded running google earth 5 on fedora 10 x86-64
running googleearth-bin gives me :

./googleearth-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1:
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

thanks

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Re: Running a web server on 256 RAM

[Mauriat]

2009/3/16 James Matthews :
> Hi,
>
> I am wondering if I am able to run a webserver (Apache,MySql) for my
> wordpress blog and django site on 256 megs ram. Yes I know everything is
> possible however I wish to upgrade from shared hosting to a VPS (Slicehost
> or Linode I didn't decide yet) and I am wondering if it will work out.
>

What type of traffic do you get?  In general a VPS is going to be
significantly better performance than shared hosting if you are only
running 1 or 2 websites.  That shared hosting is probably running
hundreds of sites on it.

This should not be a concern.

Of course maintenance is significantly more work, but I'm sure you know that.

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Re: Work area in F10

[Antonio M]

2009/3/16 Paul W. Frields :
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:53:10AM +0100, Antonio M wrote:
>> 2009/3/16 Anne Wilson :
>> > On Monday 16 March 2009 09:22:04 Antonio M wrote:
>> >> I had 4 work area on the bar, now I have only one and I cannot choose
>> >> more than one. Why??
>> >>
>> > I don't know what could have changed it for you, but (assuming you are 
>> > running
>> > KDE) to change it back try right-click on the 'work area on the bar' and 
>> > you
>> > should see 'Configure Desktops'.  That's where you can set the number.
>> >
>> > Anne
>> > --
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>>
>> Anne
>>
>> I am using Gnome and of course I have already done what you suggest: I
>> write 4 in the preference window but I always get one!!!
>> And I had four, I am sure.
>> Some bug???
>
> Also make sure that in the preferences, "Show only this window" is
> *not* selected.
>
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Paul, I had already checked what you suggest: but I decided to re-boot
and now everything is o.k.

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Re: MPEG-1 read support

[Tim]

On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 11:17 +, Alan Cox wrote:
> Please remember Wackipedia is often simply the collected urban
> legends, misunderstandings and general cluelessness of its
> contributors.

It's the "they said" website.  ;-)

You need to check the references, and the references of the references.

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Re: Work area in F10

[Paul W. Frields]

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:53:10AM +0100, Antonio M wrote:
> 2009/3/16 Anne Wilson :
> > On Monday 16 March 2009 09:22:04 Antonio M wrote:
> >> I had 4 work area on the bar, now I have only one and I cannot choose
> >> more than one. Why??
> >>
> > I don't know what could have changed it for you, but (assuming you are 
> > running
> > KDE) to change it back try right-click on the 'work area on the bar' and you
> > should see 'Configure Desktops'.  That's where you can set the number.
> >
> > Anne
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> 
> Anne
> 
> I am using Gnome and of course I have already done what you suggest: I
> write 4 in the preference window but I always get one!!!
> And I had four, I am sure.
> Some bug???

Also make sure that in the preferences, "Show only this window" is
*not* selected.

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Re: MPEG-1 read support

[Alan Cox]

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:36:19 +0100
"Stanisław T. Findeisen"  wrote:

> Why doesn't Fedora have MPEG-1 support (playing)?
> 
> Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-1#Patents they say: "MPEG-1 
> video and Layer I/II audio may be able to be implemented without payment 
> of license fees.". And it looks that there are various GPL 
> programs/codecs ready.
> 
> So what's the problem?

Please remember Wackipedia is often simply the collected urban
legends, misunderstandings and general cluelessness of its contributors.
What Wackipedia has to say and what the actual situation (reviewed by
people competent to give legal opinions) is are often quite different.


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Re: Work area in F10

[Antonio M]

2009/3/16 Anne Wilson :
> On Monday 16 March 2009 09:22:04 Antonio M wrote:
>> I had 4 work area on the bar, now I have only one and I cannot choose
>> more than one. Why??
>>
> I don't know what could have changed it for you, but (assuming you are running
> KDE) to change it back try right-click on the 'work area on the bar' and you
> should see 'Configure Desktops'.  That's where you can set the number.
>
> Anne
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Anne

I am using Gnome and of course I have already done what you suggest: I
write 4 in the preference window but I always get one!!!
And I had four, I am sure.
Some bug???

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MPEG-1 read support

[Stanisław T. Findeisen]

Why doesn't Fedora have MPEG-1 support (playing)?

Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-1#Patents they say: "MPEG-1 
video and Layer I/II audio may be able to be implemented without payment 
of license fees.". And it looks that there are various GPL 
programs/codecs ready.


So what's the problem?

Thanks!

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Re: Work area in F10

[Anne Wilson]

On Monday 16 March 2009 09:22:04 Antonio M wrote:
> I had 4 work area on the bar, now I have only one and I cannot choose
> more than one. Why??
>
I don't know what could have changed it for you, but (assuming you are running 
KDE) to change it back try right-click on the 'work area on the bar' and you 
should see 'Configure Desktops'.  That's where you can set the number.

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Re: Shell confusion

[Dave Bolt IT Solutions]

Thanks to all the contributors to this subject.
I am pleased to say that I managed to work around the problems I was having, 
and understand the causes of the problems.
Of course, I also had to get to grips with vim, I'll be doing my own 
introductory document on that shortly. It's been 25 years since I last used 
a line editor and took a bit of searching to find the right basic 
information.

Anyway, if you contributed, consider your name listed here.
Thanks again.
Dave 



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Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?

[Tim]

On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 20:53 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> I meant how do you know the time is spent filtering (rather than say
> polling the server or downloading mail)?

That's easy:  Fetch a scad of mail when you have filters set, versus
fetch a scad of mail when you don't have any filters set.

Unmolested, they romp into the inbox very quickly.  When filtering puts
its fingers in, it's far worse than fetching mail over dial-up.

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