Fedora Weekly News #171
Fedora Weekly News Issue 171 Welcome to Fedora Weekly News Issue 171 for the week ending April 12th, 2009. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue171 Our latest issue includes important Announcements about Fedora 11 and freeze statuses. Ambassadors celebrates the way Italians Fete Document Freedom Day and LinuxFest Northwest Ramps Up. Developments relays some fraught conversations about Emacs, Glibc, Malloc and i586 and cautions that Mono Breakage on PPC May Cause Reversion. Translations keys us in to the Fedora 11 Release Notes Discussion. Artwork provides insight into Finishing the Artwork for Fedora 11. Virtualization reports on the Virtualization Technology Preview Repo. If you are interested in contributing to Fedora Weekly News, please see our 'join' page[1]. We welcome reader feedback: fedora-news-l...@redhat.com 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Join FWN Editorial Team: Pascal Calarco, Oisin Feeley, Huzaifa Sidhpurwala 1.1 Announcements 1.1.1 Fedora 11 1.1.2 FUDCon Berlin 2009 1.1.3 Upcoming Events 1.2 Ambassadors 1.2.1 Italians Fete Document Freedom Day 1.2.2 LinuxFest Northwest Ramps Up 1.2.3 Got Ambassador News? 1.3 Developments 1.3.1 Emacs, Glibc, Malloc and i586 1.3.2 Wireless Regulatory Domain Automatically Determined 1.3.3 Moonlight Still Banned in Fedora 1.3.4 Mono Breakage on PPC May Cause Reversion 1.3.5 YUM Downgrade Feature Now in Rawhide 1.3.6 Multiple Package Ownership of Directories 1.3.7 Zap DontZap 1.4 Translation 1.4.1 Fedora 11 Release Notes Discussion 1.4.2 New Members/Co-ordinators in FLP 1.5 Artwork 1.5.1 Finishing the Artwork for Fedora 11 1.5.2 Interview with the Art Team 1.6 Virtualization 1.6.1 Fedora Virtualization List 1.6.1.1 Guest Configuration with augeas and libguestfs 1.6.1.2 Virtual Machine Backup virt-backup 1.6.1.3 Virtualization Technology Preview Repo 1.6.1.4 Fedora Virtualization Status Report 1.6.2 Libvirt List 1.6.2.1 libvirt-TCK Technology Compatibility Kit == Announcements == In this section, we cover announcements from the Fedora Project. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/ http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events Contributing Writer: Max Spevack === Fedora 11 === Jesse Keating[1] made two announcements regarding Fedora 11. First[2], the F11-Beta-x86_64-Live-KDE.iso was re-issued on bittorrent as well as to the mirors. The image was accidentally composed with 32bit packages instead of 64bit packages. Furthermore, the Source ISOs were re-issued on torrent only, where an older set were first issued there. The CHECKSUM on the mirrors was wrong as well for these isos and has been updated. Next[3], Fedora 11 Snapshot 1 was released to the torrent site, and it provides the first and final snapshot before our final devel freeze. Jesse reminded everyone that lots of work has gone into the storage code of Anaconda since the Beta release, please do re-test with these images if you had difficulty installing the Beta. The final development freeze[4] for Fedora 11 is on Tuesday April 14th. John Poelstra[5] reminded the community that all features and their associated feature pages must be at 100% completion by this date, and he listed the features that do not meet this criteria, which includes several of the more prominent features that are scheduled for the release. If you are trying to get a feature in to Fedora 11, please make sure you have completed all necessary steps. 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JesseKeating 2. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-April/msg3.html 3. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-April/msg4.html 4. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2009-April/msg1.html 5. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnPoelstra === FUDCon Berlin 2009 === Max Spevack[1] reminded[2] the community about FUDCon Berlin 2009[3], including registration[4], lodging[5], and the speaking schedule[6]. 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MaxSpevack 2. http://spevack.livejournal.com/78732.html 3. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Berlin_2009 4. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Berlin_2009_attendees 5. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Berlin_2009_lodging 6. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_Berlin_and_LinuxTag_2009_talks === Upcoming Events === April 15: NYLUG[1] in New York, New York, USA. April 17-19: Summer Geek Camp 2[2] in Antipolo City, Phillipines. April 18: BarCamp Rochester[3] in Rochester, New York, USA. April 19-22: Red Hat EMEA Partner
Re: Just an FYI concerning the beta artwork
Hey Jeff, Sorry, very late to this thread - just catching up. I agree that in the future it is wise to avoid these types of issues. In other context where I am hoping to work with wallpapers I intended to use the following: Images of people, buildings, and flags should probably be avoided. Focus on the things that we share - not the things that separate us. Jon On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Jeff Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote: I hadn't seen anyone else bring this perspective up concerning the wallpaper in the beta and I thought it deserved attention for your consideration as a group. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-olpc-list/2009-March/msg00147.html Seems to me whoever chose the background that was introduced last week did not consider that items with overtones of dissentious subjects such as politics or religion might elicit emotional reactions. I'm concerned that when my system prominently shows a picture with a temple, that might be interpreted as Mikus worships paganism To my reckoning this is the first Fedora artwork that has had culture specific elements in it, so this sort of issue might never have been raised in prior discussions. I don't know, I mostly lurk. But I'm bringing it to your attention to make sure you see that reaction. -jef ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Leonidas background brightness
- Original Message From: William Jon McCann william.jon.mcc...@gmail.com To: Fedora Art List fedora-art-list@redhat.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 2:00:15 PM Subject: Re: Leonidas background brightness Hey, On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Warren Togami wrote: Hi, I really like the new leonidas lion background. I have only one question. I have various files sitting on the right side of the GNOME desktop. Their filenames are in white and are a bit difficult to read due to the brightness of the lion. I am wondering might it be a good idea to darken the color of the background a bit so white filenames might be easier to read? Yeah for me it makes the right half of my desktop unusable. We can argue whether the desktop should be used but the fact is that it is today - and for many people they have icons covering both sides. Is this for dual or single? For single screen the lion shouldn't appear, only for dual on the right screen. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Leonidas background brightness
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 11:36 -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: - Original Message From: William Jon McCann william.jon.mcc...@gmail.com To: Fedora Art List fedora-art-list@redhat.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 2:00:15 PM Subject: Re: Leonidas background brightness Hey, On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Warren Togami wrote: Hi, I really like the new leonidas lion background. I have only one question. I have various files sitting on the right side of the GNOME desktop. Their filenames are in white and are a bit difficult to read due to the brightness of the lion. I am wondering might it be a good idea to darken the color of the background a bit so white filenames might be easier to read? Yeah for me it makes the right half of my desktop unusable. We can argue whether the desktop should be used but the fact is that it is today - and for many people they have icons covering both sides. Is this for dual or single? For single screen the lion shouldn't appear, only for dual on the right screen. ~m Actually, in the latest rawhide package the lion is there, but I am already working on updating the package both with the updated images as well as without the lion for single screen. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Extra Backgrounds package
Hey, On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Marek Mahut mma...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Dear art team, We will be releasing Fedora Astronomy spin this release and I'd like to include also an extra wallpapers with it - is the extra backgrounds package ready? If not, is it OK with you to create astronomy-backgrounds package and merge it once we have extra backgrounds? Thank you, http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/html/heic0601a.html http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/html/heic0508e.html I think that first image is a pretty good candidate for the cosmos screensaver theme. I'll make a note to add it. Bonus points for finding an image from my old project - Advanced Camera for Surveys. :) Jon ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Improving Leonidas Backgrounds
On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 12:51 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: Here are the exported JPGs [4][5], I'll upload the source xcf too (but on the wiki) if one of the designs would be accepted. Ok, based on the feedback, I've just uploaded the version without stripes [1] (although they are still present as a hidden layer in case we decided otherwise in the future). I've played with the image a little more to have the desired resolution (4096x1536 instead of 4070x1536). I am also going to update the package in rawhide. Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:King_4096x1536.xcf.bz2 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 Art Schedule
Máirín Duffy said the following on 04/07/2009 06:18 PM Pacific Time: cut (John, I apologize these are different than your numbering scheme.) That's okay :) 1. Wallpaper Design - We have the basic design from Samuele in 1920x1600: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:King_1920x1200.jpg - We will need this iterated out into the various standard, 4:3, and widescreen formats. Dual-screen would be nice too. 2. Plymouth Splash - Charlie is waiting on Samuele for a design for this it appears? 3. GNOME splash - we have these designs and I will happily adapt them to fit with the lion: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/f11/mockups/splash/ 4. KDE splash - same as #3 above 5. full screen splash for syslinux - nothing yet 6. grub splash - nothing yet (not sure if this is on the task list) 7. gnome screensaver lock dialog - nothing yet 8. anaconda square splash - Samuele put some mocks together (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11#King_Concept) but as we agreed a week ago, these are a bit too busy and still need to be simplified: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00015.html 9. firstboot vertical header - Samuele put one together that looks great (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11#King_Concept) 10. kdm - nothing 11. wallpaper extras - I do not think this is on your task list John but I think we need to add it. I want to try to revive the wallpaper project Nicu started so we can ship some nice extras wallpapers so the default wallpaper isn't the only thing we do. I was wondering if anyone has time to help me out with this? Or is it too late right now to do something like this? It is also important to note that we are targeting the completion of final artwork and packaging a little less than two weeks from now on 2009-04-16 so that it can all be in the Preview Release and have two weeks to shake out anything that needs final fixing before GA. Thank you for this reminder and for helping keep us on track. It is really, really, really helpful. Just to make sure I continue to help you track the right things, can you tell me what the completion (or estimated completion) dates are the following items from: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/f-11-art-tasks.html 9. gnome splash screen Fri 2009-03-27 10. kde splash screen Fri 2009-03-27 11. Fullscreen splash for syslinux Fri 2009-03-27 12. gnome screensaver lock dialog Fri 2009-03-27 13. Square splash for anaconda and firstbootFri 2009-03-27 14. Anaconda horizontal header Fri 2009-03-27 15. Firstboot vertical header Fri 2009-03-27 16. Fullscreen grub splash Fri 2009-03-27 17. plymouth bootup/loading graphicsFri 2009-03-27 18. kdm login screen theme Fri 2009-03-27 21. Package Splash Screens Tue 2009-03-31 24. Finalize and Package All Release ArtworkThu 2009-04-16 Thanks, John ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Improving Leonidas Backgrounds
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 20:24 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 09:09:42PM +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 12:51 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: Here are the exported JPGs [4][5], I'll upload the source xcf too (but on the wiki) if one of the designs would be accepted. Ok, based on the feedback, I've just uploaded the version without stripes [1] (although they are still present as a hidden layer in case we decided otherwise in the future). I've played with the image a little more to have the desired resolution (4096x1536 instead of 4070x1536). I am also going to update the package in rawhide. Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:King_4096x1536.xcf.bz2 Would you like me to recreate the wallpapers in the same way I did for the ones currently on the wiki or will you do that and upload the new wallpapers to the wiki as well? I'll upload them later today. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Request for Temporary Tattoo Art.
I would like to request assistance for the creation of a temporary tattoo design. The temporary tattoo will be included in Ambassadors Kits for North America. The design of the temporary tattoo would be based upon the existing artwork for the laptop sticker found at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Marketing_Stickers_poweredby_sticker.png If you have any questions or information related to this, I have placed a request on the wiki at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#Fedora_Temporary_Tattoo_design Thanks, David Duncan. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[Bug 490830] Nafees Web Naksha should drop Preferred Family name
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=490830 Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |ON_QA --- Comment #4 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org 2009-04-13 15:32:47 EDT --- nafees-web-naskh-fonts-1.2-2.fc10 has been pushed to the Fedora 10 testing repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug report. If you want to test the update, you can install it with su -c 'yum --enablerepo=updates-testing update nafees-web-naskh-fonts'. You can provide feedback for this update here: http://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F10/FEDORA-2009-3508 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 490830] Nafees Web Naksha should drop Preferred Family name
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=490830 Ben Laenen bl.b...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||bl.b...@gmail.com --- Comment #5 from Ben Laenen bl.b...@gmail.com 2009-04-13 15:55:00 EDT --- This isn't a font bug I think. If the preferred family shows Nafees then upstream wants to see the font being called Nafees and not Nafees Web Naksha. The latter is just the name that has to be displayed when the system can't handle preferred families. The problem should be fixed in the font selectors instead. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
rpms/pango/devel .cvsignore, 1.85, 1.86 pango.spec, 1.158, 1.159 sources, 1.86, 1.87
Author: mclasen
Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/pango/devel
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv5001
Modified Files:
.cvsignore pango.spec sources
Log Message:
1.24.1
Index: .cvsignore
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/pango/devel/.cvsignore,v
retrieving revision 1.85
retrieving revision 1.86
diff -u -r1.85 -r1.86
--- .cvsignore 16 Mar 2009 23:17:14 - 1.85
+++ .cvsignore 14 Apr 2009 00:12:00 - 1.86
@@ -1 +1 @@
-pango-1.24.0.tar.bz2
+pango-1.24.1.tar.bz2
Index: pango.spec
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/pango/devel/pango.spec,v
retrieving revision 1.158
retrieving revision 1.159
diff -u -r1.158 -r1.159
--- pango.spec 26 Mar 2009 04:03:40 - 1.158
+++ pango.spec 14 Apr 2009 00:12:00 - 1.159
@@ -8,13 +8,13 @@
Summary: System for layout and rendering of internationalized text
Name: pango
-Version: 1.24.0
-Release: 2%{?dist}
+Version: 1.24.1
+Release: 1%{?dist}
License: LGPLv2+
Group: System Environment/Libraries
Source: http://download.gnome.org/sources/pango/1.24/pango-%{version}.tar.bz2
URL: http://www.pango.org
-BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n)
+BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n)
# We need to prereq this so we can run pango-querymodules
Prereq: glib2 = %{glib2_version}
@@ -39,17 +39,16 @@
Patch0: pango-1.21.4-lib64.patch
%description
-Pango is a library for laying out and rendering of text, with an emphasis
+Pango is a library for laying out and rendering of text, with an emphasis
on internationalization. Pango can be used anywhere that text layout is needed,
-though most of the work on Pango so far has been done in the context of the
-GTK+ widget toolkit. Pango forms the core of text and font handling for
-GTK+.
+though most of the work on Pango so far has been done in the context of the
+GTK+ widget toolkit. Pango forms the core of text and font handling for GTK+.
-Pango is designed to be modular; the core Pango layout engine can be used
+Pango is designed to be modular; the core Pango layout engine can be used
with different font backends.
-The integration of Pango with Cairo provides a complete solution with high
-quality text handling and graphics rendering.
+The integration of Pango with Cairo provides a complete solution with high
+quality text handling and graphics rendering.
%package devel
Summary: Development files for pango
@@ -96,7 +95,7 @@
# autoconf uses powerpc not ppc
host=`echo $host | sed s/^ppc/powerpc/`
-# Make sure that the host value that is passed to the compile
+# Make sure that the host value that is passed to the compile
# is the same as the host that we're using in the spec file
#
compile_host=`grep 'host_triplet =' pango/Makefile | sed s/.* = //`
@@ -116,7 +115,7 @@
echo $PANGOXFT_SO not found; did not build with Xft support?
ls $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_libdir}
exit 1
-fi
+fi
# We need to have separate 32-bit and 64-bit pango-querymodules binaries
# for places where we have two copies of the Pango libraries installed.
@@ -224,6 +223,10 @@
%changelog
+* Mon Apr 13 2009 Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com - 1.24.1-1
+- Update to 1.24.1
+- See http://download.gnome.org/sources/pango/1.24/pango-1.24.1.news
+
* Wed Mar 26 2009 Behdad Esfahbod besfa...@redhat.com - 1.24.0-2
- Remove weird Requires(pre).
- Resolves #486641
Index: sources
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/pango/devel/sources,v
retrieving revision 1.86
retrieving revision 1.87
diff -u -r1.86 -r1.87
--- sources 16 Mar 2009 23:17:14 - 1.86
+++ sources 14 Apr 2009 00:12:00 - 1.87
@@ -1 +1 @@
-d209f41079833cd2ef2c5e580ab9c5ee pango-1.24.0.tar.bz2
+af0beac1dd1825e241c5728081f16acd pango-1.24.1.tar.bz2
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[Bug 477474] [un-core-fonts] Please convert to new font packaging guidelines
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=477474 Jens Petersen peter...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks|446451(F11Target) | --- Comment #5 from Jens Petersen peter...@redhat.com 2009-04-14 01:54:02 EDT --- Too late for f11 alas so dropping off Target list. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 491957] [culmus-fonts] Please rebuild for Fedora 11 to pick up font autodeps
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=491957 --- Comment #2 from Jens Petersen peter...@redhat.com 2009-04-14 01:57:23 EDT --- ping -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 491976] [fonts-ISO8859-2] Please rebuild for Fedora 11 to pick up font autodeps
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=491976 Jens Petersen peter...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||peter...@redhat.com Blocks|446451(F11Target) | -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
so then me
Hi all, so i've somelse introducing themselfs, so maybe i should introduce myself to. My name is Joerg Stephan and i'am close to 30 years now. Iam from the south-west of Germany (Saarland if someone wanne know) and i'am currently trying to finish my study of mathematik and computer science. I work also as system administrator in a research facility at university. Ia, using Linux for several years now, startet with RedHat 5.1 some years ago (maybe 1998 or so) and switched over to some other Unix/Linux Distributions since that. Now i find Fedora the right place to sattle down. I'am working on: Nagios Systemmonitoring and building plugins in python and perl. Automation scripts as hostlist and configuration using m4 and python. Administration Vmware, PostgreSQL and MySQL DB, several Servers (dhcp, apache, tomcat, samba, ltsp etc) So thats something about me, have a nice day Joerg ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Introduction
On Wed, 8 Apr 2009, Mayuresh Kulkarni wrote: Hello folks, I have been a fedora user for a couple of months now and I would like to thank you all for this wonderful distro! About me - I am a programmer, working mostly in the systems programming domain. I am quite comfortable with C/C++ but not so much with Python or with bash scripting. I would like to help out with something where I can pick up one of these two. I have done projects with Python, (mostly to avoid Perl ;) ) , but am far from being a native. I unfortunately will not be able to attend the meetings on Thursday but I will hang out in IRC to try to get a feel for the current action. Looking forward to meeting you all :) Mayuresh. Hello Mayuresh, if you're good with C/C++ you might want to look at joining the bugzappers group. While we work on the servers to support the OS, they actually improve Fedora by finding and submitting patches, your skill set could do well there. If you still want to do infrastructure hanging out in #fedora-admin is the best place to start... and if you have time for it you can do both bugzappers and infrastructure ;) -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Intro
On Wed, 8 Apr 2009, Nattie wrote: Hi there guys, i have used fedora since the day 10 came out, (its the most awesome OS ever), and i wanted to say thanks for all the effort you guys put in. About me: I mainly write programs, but i sometimes do small web things, i pretty much adaptable to every situation. I have good knowledge of python and C/C++, but im not so good with bash or perl. I would like to join the fedora infrastructure and give something back. Im looking foward to meeting you * Nathanael Welcome Nathanael, were if you are interested in hacking on some of our turbogears / python applications let us know! Also you should look at the bugzappers group as they're always interested in C/C++ programmers. -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: so then me
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009, Jörg Stephan wrote: Hi all, so i've somelse introducing themselfs, so maybe i should introduce myself to. My name is Joerg Stephan and i'am close to 30 years now. Iam from the south-west of Germany (Saarland if someone wanne know) and i'am currently trying to finish my study of mathematik and computer science. I work also as system administrator in a research facility at university. Ia, using Linux for several years now, startet with RedHat 5.1 some years ago (maybe 1998 or so) and switched over to some other Unix/Linux Distributions since that. Now i find Fedora the right place to sattle down. I'am working on: Nagios Systemmonitoring and building plugins in python and perl. Automation scripts as hostlist and configuration using m4 and python. Administration Vmware, PostgreSQL and MySQL DB, several Servers (dhcp, apache, tomcat, samba, ltsp etc) Excellent, you're in the right place. Was there something in particular you were interested in working on? Are you able to attend our weekly meetings? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Meetings -Mike___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: so then me
Hi Mike, well, so nothing in particular yet. I think i just gonne have look on some parts. But if you know something just tell me. I think i can be on the meetings not every week but hope so mostly. Greets Joerg 2009/4/13 Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com On Mon, 13 Apr 2009, Jörg Stephan wrote: Excellent, you're in the right place. Was there something in particular you were interested in working on? Are you able to attend our weekly meetings? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Meetings -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Intro
Mike Can you recommend something to learn python and turbogears fast ? Welcome Nathanael, were if you are interested in hacking on some of our turbogears / python applications let us know! Also you should look at the bugzappers group as they're always interested in C/C++ programmers. -Mike Itamar Reis Peixoto e-mail/msn: ita...@ispbrasil.com.br sip: ita...@ispbrasil.com.br skype: itamarjp icq: 81053601 +55 11 4063 5033 +55 34 3221 8599 ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Introduction
Hi all, My name is Carlos Eduardo Pedroza Santiviago, i'm a sysadmin from Brazil, where i mainly work with UNIX/Linux servers administration. I have LPIC-3 Certification, and have worked with Linux for 10+ years. My interest in Fedora (Red Hat) has increased recently, since i mostly used Debian/Ubuntu before. And because of that, I'll have my RHCE exam on Friday, and i guess i'll be fine! :-) I have experience in tasks automation, administration of services, clustering, and a lot of interest in the security field. I'd like to join the devel FIG if possible, and if you are a sponsor, please do not hestitate to contact me. I *really* would like to help. Best Regards, -- Carlos Eduardo Pedroza Santiviago -- http://softwarelivre.net ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Introduction
bem vindo, o pessoal de infraestrutura precisa de pessoas com conhecimento em python/turbogears. e o pessoal do desenvolvimento precisa de pessoas com conhecimento em c/++ sinta-se a vontade em me contactar. n Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Carlos Eduardo Pedroza Santiviago car...@santiviago.com wrote: Hi all, My name is Carlos Eduardo Pedroza Santiviago, i'm a sysadmin from Brazil, where i mainly work with UNIX/Linux servers administration. I have LPIC-3 Certification, and have worked with Linux for 10+ years. My interest in Fedora (Red Hat) has increased recently, since i mostly used Debian/Ubuntu before. And because of that, I'll have my RHCE exam on Friday, and i guess i'll be fine! :-) I have experience in tasks automation, administration of services, clustering, and a lot of interest in the security field. I'd like to join the devel FIG if possible, and if you are a sponsor, please do not hestitate to contact me. I *really* would like to help. Best Regards, -- Carlos Eduardo Pedroza Santiviago -- http://softwarelivre.net ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list -- Itamar Reis Peixoto e-mail/msn: ita...@ispbrasil.com.br sip: ita...@ispbrasil.com.br skype: itamarjp icq: 81053601 +55 11 4063 5033 +55 34 3221 8599 ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Intro
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Itamar Reis Peixoto ita...@ispbrasil.com.br wrote: Mike Can you recommend something to learn python and turbogears fast ? Welcome Nathanael, were if you are interested in hacking on some of our turbogears / python applications let us know! Also you should look at the bugzappers group as they're always interested in C/C++ programmers. -Mike Itamar Reis Peixoto Itamar, If you are interested in helping with a turbogears project. I would be very interested in having your help in the traigeweb project that I am writing for Fedora. In terms of resources, the turbogears webpage is a good start. I also use this book [1] as a reference/tutorial at times, for the most part it is a good book, addressees both beginner and advanced topics. You can find me in #fedora-bugzappers as comphappy. [1] http://turbogearsbook.com/ Best Regards, Brennan Ashton ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Hi
Hi Mike, For the timebeing, I'm not sure I can hangout on Thursdays for the meeting(I can do that after a couple of weeks). I did log in once, but didn't know who to contact Please let me know what I should start looking into, and I could put questions if there are any ambiguities. cheers, Vinay 2009/4/3 Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com On Fri, 3 Apr 2009, Vinay Amatya wrote: Hi All, I'm Vinay. I got upto here while trying to fix my installation of Fedora-10. I've been steady user of Fedora package for a little more than a year. I like it better, as I learn more in Fedora environment than on other platforms. Regarding contributing to the Project, I'm a newbie. I'm interested in core infrastructure development/maintainance. I'm comfortable with C, C++, Java. I'd like to learn Python, or Ruby, if I get a project/task that makes me do it. Boy oh boy do we love programmers. If you'd like to help I've got a few smaller tasks that you could do while you get to learning python. If you want to go through some of the basic tutorials of python then install fas come find me on irc.freenode.net in #fedora-admin and we'll talk about some stuff. At this stage, I'd like to observe the kinds of problems this(infrastructure) team handles, possibly learn some stuffs, and contribute where possible. You're always welcome to observe and learn whatever stuffs you want ;-) -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: [Fedora-legal-list] NIST license
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Tom spot Callaway tcall...@redhat.com wrote: NIST's statement above seems to only apply to their World Wide Web pages. They're not declaring it public domain either, they're granting explicit rights to distribute and copy. It is notably more complicated to put something in the Public Domain in the US, so it safe to assume that no code that you might come across is in the Public Domain. When in doubt, ask. (There are some notable cases where we accept that code is in the Public Domain, such as sqlite and SELinux, but they're corner cases.) Now, if they say that that license applies to all code offered on their website that they are the copyright holder, it would still not be acceptable in Fedora, because they did not give us the right to modify code. (They didn't disclaim warranty either, but that's just stupidity on their part.) I strongly suspect that this license does not apply to their copyrighted code, due to the way it is worded. Thanks, Tom. I'll assume that the first person I reached was clueless and try asking the question again. Or I may not bother. I've discovered that one of the outside files they filched comes from shorten, an audio processing program with a no commercial use license. There are truly open source programs that do the same thing, so this is not necessarily fatal, but I'm not sure I've got the time to devote to recoding NIST's software. P.S. Jerry, I almost didn't see your post because it got caught in the mailman spam trap. This mailing list is reasonably low-traffic, perhaps you should subscribe? :) Yeah, probably. I'm on so many mailing lists already, how much pain could one more cause me? :-) Hmmm, why doesn't this list appear on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate ? -- Jerry James http://loganjerry.googlepages.com/ ___ Fedora-legal-list mailing list Fedora-legal-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legal-list
Re: [Fedora-legal-list] NIST license
On 04/13/2009 01:08 PM, Jerry James wrote: Yeah, probably. I'm on so many mailing lists already, how much pain could one more cause me? :-) Hmmm, why doesn't this list appear on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate ? Dunno. It is there now. :) ~spot ___ Fedora-legal-list mailing list Fedora-legal-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legal-list
Re: initdefault has no effect
On Sun, 2009-04-12 at 15:30 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: (1) What am I trying to do? Install the proprietary nvidia drivers for my video card. Nvidia advises that the X Window System be stopped during installation. This can be done in either runlevel 1 or 3. Level 3 is better, but since networking is off, it doesn't matter that security is nonexistent. Generally speaking, it's better NOT to install the drivers supplied by NVidia themselves, but use ones packaged PROPERLY for Fedora, from one of the Fedora repos. None of this malarkey is required, and they don't mess up X like NVidia does. Unless you actually have a problem with the Fedora package, I'd strongly advise that you run away, as fast as you can, from using the run file that you can download from NVidia. Set up your computer to use the rpmfusion repo. http://rpmfusion.org/Configuration http://rpmfusion.org/Howto/nVidia -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.21-78.2.41.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Rhytymbox error
On Sun, 2009-04-12 at 16:36 -0400, Max Pyziur wrote: I've loaded what I think are all gstreamer plugins. List what you think all of them are... I have no problems playing mp3s on that version of Rhythmbox on Fedora 9 with the following gstreamer related files installed: rpm -qa \*gstreamer\*|sort gstreamer-0.10.20-1.fc9.i386 gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.7-4.fc9.i386 gstreamer-plugins-bad-extras-0.10.7-4.fc9.i386 gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.19-4.fc9.i386 gstreamer-plugins-flumpegdemux-0.10.15-2.fc9.i386 gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.8-10.fc9.i386 gstreamer-plugins-pulse-0.9.5-0.5.svn20070924.fc9.i386 gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.8-2.fc9.i386 gstreamer-python-0.10.11-2.fc9.i386 gstreamer-tools-0.10.20-1.fc9.i386 PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin-0.3.12-1.fc9.i386 totem-gstreamer-2.23.2-13.fc9.i386 Without checking, I presume that many of them came from the rpmfusion repo. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.21-78.2.41.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: MTRR survey: better X performance on systems with 3G or more RAM
On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 23:58:38 -0400 (EDT) D. Hugh Redelmeier h...@mimosa.com wrote: == What I'd like to know about your system: Computer brand and model (or motherboard info): Supermicro C2SBA motherboard, Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPUQ9400 @ 2.66GHz video controller: Intel 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller X video driver: X.Org X Server 1.5.3, open source intel driver RAM: 8GB distro: Fedora 10 x86_64 MTRR problem: $ /home/bob/tmp/01/mtrr-uncover/mtrr-uncover Initial MTRR configuration: 1 0x0-0x1 write-back 3 0x0bf60-0x0bf7f uncachable 4 0x0bf80-0x0bfff uncachable 0 0x0c000-0x0 uncachable 2 0x2-0x23fff write-back Final MTRR configuration: 1' 0x0-0x07fff write-back 51' 0x08000-0x0bfff write-back 3 0x0bf60-0x0bf7f uncachable 4 0x0bf80-0x0bfff uncachable 50 0x1-0x1 write-back 2 0x2-0x23fff write-back Commands for /proc/mtrr to make these changes: disable=0 disable=1 base=0x0 size=0x08000 type=write-back base=0x08000 size=0x04000 type=write-back base=0x1 size=0x1 type=write-back Fix: mtrr-uncover works, didn't try enable_mtrr_cleanup glxgears performance change: Before: 12897 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2579.254 FPS 12993 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2598.539 FPS 12879 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2575.759 FPS 12998 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2599.503 FPS 12947 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2588.019 FPS 12713 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2542.563 FPS 13014 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2602.721 FPS 13012 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2602.385 FPS 13010 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2601.951 FPS 12875 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2574.983 FPS 12389 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2477.740 FPS Now: 13053 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2610.419 FPS 13054 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2610.695 FPS 13048 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2609.514 FPS 13055 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2610.974 FPS 13053 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2610.452 FPS 13053 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2610.499 FPS 13056 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2611.072 FPS 13055 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2610.906 FPS 13054 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2610.624 FPS 13054 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2610.766 FPS 13055 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2610.859 FPS 13056 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2611.037 FPS 13054 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2610.709 FPS 13050 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2609.839 FPS Best regards, Bob -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Routing problems with rawhide
Hi again, If nobody can help here, do you have some ideas howto debug that routing problem? Whats your typical way of finding whats going wrong? Thanks, Clemens 2009/4/6 Clemens Eisserer linuxhi...@gmail.com: Hi, I use my Laptop to route my brothers computer to the internet through my UMTS modem. With Fedora 8 it was enough to enable ip-forewarding and masquerading: echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE However with Fedora11 my brother can ping my two IPs (eth0 and ppp0), but no ip of the internet. Do you have any idea what could be the cause? Btw. I have selinux disabled. Thank you in advance, Clemens My routing table: [r...@localhost ce]# /sbin/route Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 10.64.64.64 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 default * 0.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 ppp0 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Using out-of-date GPG to sign Fedora releases...
Hi, It will be appreciated if all the checksums of future releases are signed with a up-to-date version of GPG. There are currently some files, including all of the Fedora 11 releases that are signed with a out-of-date version of Gnupg 1.4.5 from 2006, instead of the latest 1.4.9. I don't know if any potential security issue is related to this practice, but there is quite a large list of security problems between 1.4.5 and 1.4.9. Some examples: Gnupg 1.4.5 ftp://alviss.et.tudelft.nl/pub/fedora/linux/releases/10/Fedora/x86_64/iso/SHA1SUM Gnupg 1.4.9 ftp://alviss.et.tudelft.nl/pub/fedora/linux/releases/10/Live/x86_64/SHA1SUM Gnupg 1.4.5 ftp://alviss.et.tudelft.nl/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/11-Beta/Live/x86_64/F11-Beta-x86_64-Live-KDE-CHECKSUM Bram. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Rhytymbox error
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009, Tim wrote: On Sun, 2009-04-12 at 16:36 -0400, Max Pyziur wrote: I've loaded what I think are all gstreamer plugins. List what you think all of them are... I have no problems playing mp3s on that version of Rhythmbox on Fedora 9 with the following gstreamer related files installed: To clarify, I don't have a problem playing mp3s; I just get the error message at startup: Music Player requires additional plugins An additional plugin is required to play this content The following plugin is required: ID3 Tag demuxer rpm -qa \*gstreamer\*|sort gstreamer-0.10.20-1.fc9.i386 gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.7-4.fc9.i386 gstreamer-plugins-bad-extras-0.10.7-4.fc9.i386 gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.19-4.fc9.i386 gstreamer-plugins-flumpegdemux-0.10.15-2.fc9.i386 gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.8-10.fc9.i386 gstreamer-plugins-pulse-0.9.5-0.5.svn20070924.fc9.i386 gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.8-2.fc9.i386 gstreamer-python-0.10.11-2.fc9.i386 gstreamer-tools-0.10.20-1.fc9.i386 PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin-0.3.12-1.fc9.i386 totem-gstreamer-2.23.2-13.fc9.i386 Without checking, I presume that many of them came from the rpmfusion repo. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.21-78.2.41.fc9.i686 p...@brill ~ uname -r 2.6.27.21-170.2.56.fc10.x86_64 Max Pyziur p...@brama.com Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Rhytymbox error
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 06:52 -0400, Max Pyziur wrote: To clarify, I don't have a problem playing mp3s; I just get the error message at startup: Music Player requires additional plugins An additional plugin is required to play this content The following plugin is required: ID3 Tag demuxer I don't see anything like that, though looking at the rest of your message, you're on Fedora 10 whilst I'm still on 9. You might want to look through the enabled plugins for the program, and see if a likely looking one's not enabled, or you have one enabled that tries to display data about the playing file. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.21-78.2.41.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Using out-of-date GPG to sign Fedora releases...
Bram_Gro wrote: It will be appreciated if all the checksums of future releases are signed with a up-to-date version of GPG. There are currently some files, including all of the Fedora 11 releases that are signed with a out-of-date version of Gnupg 1.4.5 from 2006, instead of the latest 1.4.9. I don't know if any potential security issue is related to this practice, but there is quite a large list of security problems between 1.4.5 and 1.4.9. You're presuming that the gnupg used is an unpatched version. More likely, it's the version shipped by RHEL, which has any known security fixes backported. I don't think there's anything to worry about here. -- ToddOpenPGP - KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~ Cover a war in a place where you can't drink beer or talk to a woman? Hell no! -- Hunter S. Thompson pgpBofbUuAQer.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Installation of Fedora11 for visually impaired
I am 68 years old, and here is my number one complaint about installing Fedora 11 beta. Anaconda sets the monitor to the highest possible resolution. This resolution is around 6-7 points in size (1600x1200 or it seems 2400x1800) for the CRT monitor. With a magnifying glass, I can detail the lines. What happened to allowing me to install with a resolution closer to 1024x768? I use crt monitors because a) I have the table space, b) I want to be green (crts use half the electricity then do crt monitors). Other problems as noted will follow in other emails. -- Regards Leslie Satenstein -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
USB handling
There are USB devices which do not fit the 'storage-device' category. It negatively effects my use of certain common devices such as my PDA. And powerfully negatively effects my use of VirtualBox. It doesn't seem to matter what release version from 7 thru 10. I have already tried numerous other releases of Linux but Fedora is much better. If a developer could please explain to me the root of what to me, and it appears many other users, why this was made this way. Thanks for the help. Bob Karge -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Routing problems with rawhide
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 05:45:24 -0400, Clemens Eisserer linuxhi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi again, If nobody can help here, do you have some ideas howto debug that routing problem? Whats your typical way of finding whats going wrong? The ip commands will tell you how your network interfaces are set up. wireshark can be used to look at traffic. The likes on your physical network devices can tell you if there is a connection and often will flash when data is being sent over the device. You can inject your own traffic with ping or traceroute. iptables can be used to check your firewall setup. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: how to add stuff to crontab without using crontab -e
Antonio Olivares wrote: Dear fellow Fedora users, I want to know if it is possible to edit/append to crontab without using crontab -e. I have about 10 machines running Fedora and at the end of the day I have to manually power them off (shutdown). For a while, I started thinking about it, well I can make a crontab to shutdown the machines at a certain time: Edit crontab to shutdown machines from student account at 4:15 every day(Monday-Friday) at school :) This way I don't have to shut them down myself :) You may want to try a different approach. I would think it would be much easier to just add a shutdown file to /etc/cron.d The format is slightly different - you have to specify the name of the user to run as. You could create a file called poweroff containing: # Power off the system weekdays at 4:15 pm. # 15 16 * * 1-5 root /sbin/shutdown -h now Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: initdefault has no effect
Mike Burger wrote: Ubuntu (the distro in which I believe upstart to have been started) has done away with the inittab, altogether, in favor of another script in their /etc/events.d (their equivalent of Fedora's /etc/event.d) directory that determines default runlevel. Maybe Fedora needs to consider the same? this is interesting and brings a question, are you saying that ubuntu and fedora use /etc/event.d/ instead of inittab or just ubuntu? From what I've read, Ubuntu does not use the inittab, at all...doesn't even include one. ria, i *replaced* 'id:5:initdefault:' with 'id:3:initdefault:' in inittab and made no changes in /etc/event.d/, and i boot level 3 with no problems. Not surprising...the underlying issue, for us using Fedora, is that the Upstart script that reads the inittab does not distinguish between lines with comment delimiters and lines without. Having just the single line would work, as expected. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NetworkManager and domain names in /etc/resolv.conf
Hi, I don't know if this has already been asked: Before using NetworkManager I had my own domain entries in /etc/resolv.conf, but since I use NetworkManager, additional entries in /etc/resolv.conf are only living until the next reboot because NetworkManager seems to re-build /etc/resolv.conf. All advices are welcome. Do you have access to your DHCP server? If so, I'd recommend editing the option domain-name line to include the domains you'd like to search. Otherwise, if this is a hardwired LAN connection, don't use NM, and just modify the ifcfg-eth0 script in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Rhytymbox error
2009/4/13 Max Pyziur p...@brama.com: On Mon, 13 Apr 2009, Tim wrote: On Sun, 2009-04-12 at 16:36 -0400, Max Pyziur wrote: I've loaded what I think are all gstreamer plugins. List what you think all of them are... I have no problems playing mp3s on that version of Rhythmbox on Fedora 9 with the following gstreamer related files installed: To clarify, I don't have a problem playing mp3s; I just get the error message at startup: Music Player requires additional plugins An additional plugin is required to play this content The following plugin is required: ID3 Tag demuxer Some files in your collection might not be playable using all the codecs you have installed. In my case they were some .rm files. On the sidebar, there should be a place where the errors are listed. That should let you find out which of your files are causing the error. Once you have located the files, you can proceed troubleshooting this. In my case I couldn't find the appropriate codecs, so I just removed those from the library and use mplayer for those tracks. gl -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10 guest on CentOS 5.3 host using KVM
Jonathan Dieter wrote: I'm running CentOS 5.3 on a server with four virtual machines running on it, three running CentOS 5.3 and one running Fedora 10. I have just switched over to using KVM (kvm-0.84 and libvirt-0.6.1) rather than Xen because I want my F10 virtual machine to be able to use virtio. My CentOS virtual machines work perfectly, but the F10 virtual machine hangs at weird moments, most often in the first few seconds or minutes of booting. All machines are completely up-to-date. I've tested both with and without virtio enabled and have the same result. Any advice? I have not had any similar problems running KVM on FC9 (E9400 quad) or FC10 (Athlon dual) running FC6, FC9, Centos-5.[23], XP, FC10, etc guests. I would run CentOS if I wanted to use xen, and Fedora if I wanted to use (most recent) KVM. That doesn't constitute advice just my observation. My only complaint is that regardless of host or guest, running from GNOME and command line (qemu-kvm) with default display (rather than vnc) the mouse pointer loses focus frequently. Can't find a fix, tried VNC but had an issue with that which I don't remember. No hungs, however. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: install to usb, when bios does not see usb?
jackson byers wrote: Please bear with me on this newbie question, my install experience is quite limited. Is it possible to install to usb external disk when bios does not see usb? Should be possible to install to it, you have three options: - install DVD - Live CD using the menu install option - Live CD using the desktop install icon after boot One or more of these should work, Linux doesn't depend on BIOS to see USB. However, the problem will be booting from USB, and that I think you will will have to address by booting from Live CD and selecting the boot from internal drive (or similar) option. Haven't tried in too long to know if you get options on which drive, you may have to do an odd two stage boot. The real problem may be that a machine so old it doesn't see USB in the BIOS may also have USB-1.1 hardware, and that's likely to be unusably slow (been there). So be aware before you start. You could just create a bootable DVD image on USB on some other machine and just address the booting problem, less learning experience but more direct. That *is* advice. ;-) In an older thread Feb 21, 2009 Re: kubuntu vs fedora initrd init files, Mikkel responded: I have done it both ways - as a fresh install, and by taking a hard drive with an installed OS, and putting it in an external USB case, and the drive has always ended up as /dev/sda. This is much less of a problem if you are using LVM and/of partition labels then if you are mounting partitions directly. (As long as your LVM names do not collide! ie more then one VolGroup00.) By far, the easiest is to do a fresh, expert install to a USB drive - it will even do the proper Grub install so that you can boot off the USB drive directly on any system that supports booting from a USB drive. You can do this when moving an install to an external case, but it is much easier doing it at install time. Mikkel --is this advice re fresh, expert install relevant in my case where it appears that bios does not recognize my usb external disk? --if so, is that because the install cd/dvd will see the usb? ie despite the bios problem? --are you saying that it will do a proper Grub install to the usb MBR? your point being that then the usb disk could be booted off of another system whose bios does both recognize and support booting from USB drive? --with my current box where the bios doesnt see the USB, the proper Grub install to the usb MBR won't be seen?, ie wont interfere with booting my older installs (fc5,...) from the MBR on my sda scsi disk? I do have that sda mbr backed up: [r...@bootp ~]# ls -l mbrbackup -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 512 Mar 14 14:13 mbrbackup [r...@bootp ~]# thanks for any help Jack -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Using out-of-date GPG to sign Fedora releases...
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 08:30:35 -0400, Todd wrote: Bram_Gro wrote: It will be appreciated if all the checksums of future releases are signed with a up-to-date version of GPG. There are currently some files, including all of the Fedora 11 releases that are signed with a out-of-date version of Gnupg 1.4.5 from 2006, instead of the latest 1.4.9. I don't know if any potential security issue is related to this practice, but there is quite a large list of security problems between 1.4.5 and 1.4.9. You're presuming that the gnupg used is an unpatched version. More likely, it's the version shipped by RHEL, which has any known security fixes backported. I don't think there's anything to worry about here. ??? What do vulnerabilities in GnuPG have to do with the signatures? Why don't you use 1.4.9 to verify those signatures? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: MTRR survey: better X performance on systems with 3G or more RAM
| From: Bob Marcan bob.mar...@gmail.com Thanks very much for trying this. I'm quite surprised at your observations. It looks to me as if your video card's buffer needed to be uncovered but the performance you observed didn't improve significantly. I've never seen that before. I'm wondering if my instructions were not clear enough and as a result you ran the after test without the benefit of uncovering. (The other thing I noticed is that your glxgears performance is very very good. This may indicate that something else is going on. Perhaps the intel driver now uses PAT. I'm going to ignore this possibility for now.) mtrr-uncover without flags tells you what it would do. You need to run it as root with the --execute flag for it to actually do the MTRR adjustment. # /home/bob/tmp/01/mtrr-uncover/mtrr-uncover --execute The second thing that could imagine going wrong is that you might have rebooted after running mtrr-uncover --execute, before running glxgears. Rebooting wipes out any changes made by mtrr-uncover. Could you run mtrrr-uncover, with no flags, just before running glxgears? If the MTRRs have been adjusted correctly, mtrr-uncover's last output line should say: No changes made. In summary, here's what I'd like you to try: as superuser, fix MTRRs: /home/bob/tmp/01/mtrr-uncover/mtrr-uncover --execute restart X: CTRL-ALT-Backspace check that the MTRR changes stuck (expect No changes made): /home/bob/tmp/01/mtrr-uncover/mtrr-uncover check that X set write-combining (expect one line of output): grep write-combining /proc/mtrr check performance: glxgears Could you send me a copy of your /var/log/Xorg.0.log after this test? I don't think that there would be anything confidential in it. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Software request
On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:59:51 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
Beartooth wrote:
Would some kind soul please make something like vilearn a/o vitutor
available in a repo? I thought I had vilearn; but it seems what I have
is only the text of the first chapter -- which opens in gedit, and is
not interactive at all :-{
What about vimtutor? It comes from the vim-enhanced package.
Well, I'd rather start with plain vi, but OK; I do have vim
installed -- I think; when I launch it, the top of the windo is labeled
gvim -- so how do I get to vimtutor? Launch it from the CLI? Or is there
a mouse method??
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Re: Tar-1.20, as shipped by F10 question
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 02:13:48PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: Has fedora, in the patches applied to the tar-1.20 rpm, managed to make it ignore the passed option --no-device-check' do it without reporting an error? I can see the option being passed to it in the htop display when its running so I have to assume its getting to the tar invocation ok. I don't see any reference to --no-device-check. However, --no-check-device seem to be there... :-) John -- John W. LinvilleLinux should be at the core linvi...@redhat.com of your literate lifestyle. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: how to add stuff to crontab without using crontab -e
On Sunday, Apr 12th 2009 at 23:23 -, quoth Antonio Olivares: = =Dear fellow Fedora users, = =I want to know if it is possible to edit/append to crontab without using crontab -e. I have about 10 machines running Fedora and at the end of the day I have to manually power them off (shutdown). For a while, I started thinking about it, well I can make a crontab to shutdown the machines at a certain time: = =Edit crontab to shutdown machines from student account at 4:15 every day(Monday-Friday) at school :) This way I don't have to shut them down myself :) = =$ which poweroff = = =If crontab is empty I want to add the following to it, so that the machines can shutdown by themselves at 4:15 pm. = =# min hour day-of-month month day-of-week command =15 16 * * 1-5 /usr/bin/poweroff /dev/null = =I can manually type this for each of the 12 machines, but I thought it would be more efficient to do something like = =#!/bin/bash =# =crontab -e # min hour day-of-month month day-of-week command \ =15 16 * * 1-5 /usr/bin/poweroff /dev/null \ =EOF = =or something similar to apply it to all machines via a usb stick and avoid the typing. How can I correct the above script to do the job, if there is way to do it. = =I have done it manually and it will work, but how can I do it with a script to do it more efficiently? = =Thank you in advance for your help/guidance/suggestions/advice. = =Regards, = =Antonio = There have been a number of answers to your problem, none of which I like. Your crontab is handwritten source code and needs to be treated as such. You may not appreciate what I'm telling you until you actually one day lose your crontab. Edit a file in your home directory called ~/.crontab and use whatever editor you like. Make your crontab ref whatever programs you want and then when your done, just run crontab ~/.crontab to install it. You can check to see that it worked by just running crontab -l Does this help? -- Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have .0. happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ ..0 Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all- 000 individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question? steveo at syslang.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: how to add stuff to crontab without using crontab -e
Steven W. Orr wrote: There have been a number of answers to your problem, none of which I like. Your crontab is handwritten source code and needs to be treated as such. You may not appreciate what I'm telling you until you actually one day lose your crontab. Edit a file in your home directory called ~/.crontab and use whatever editor you like. Make your crontab ref whatever programs you want and then when your done, just run crontab ~/.crontab to install it. You can check to see that it worked by just running crontab -l Does this help? I still like the idea of installing a file in /etc/cron.d. This is the kind of cron job it was designed for. It also makes it easy to edit.remove. Just edit the file on one machine, and copy it to all the other machines. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: (no subject)
On Sun, 2009-04-12 at 23:40 -0400, m wrote: PERHAPS HE HAS POOR EYESIGHT!!! All-caps are harder to read than mixed caps and should be used sparingly. This has been well-known to the printing profession for several hundred years. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: how to add stuff to crontab without using crontab -e
--- On Mon, 4/13/09, Steven W. Orr ste...@syslang.net wrote: From: Steven W. Orr ste...@syslang.net Subject: Re: how to add stuff to crontab without using crontab -e To: olivares14...@yahoo.com, Fedora List fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 8:57 AM On Sunday, Apr 12th 2009 at 23:23 -, quoth Antonio Olivares: = =Dear fellow Fedora users, = =I want to know if it is possible to edit/append to crontab without using crontab -e. I have about 10 machines running Fedora and at the end of the day I have to manually power them off (shutdown). For a while, I started thinking about it, well I can make a crontab to shutdown the machines at a certain time: = =Edit crontab to shutdown machines from student account at 4:15 every day(Monday-Friday) at school :) This way I don't have to shut them down myself :) = =$ which poweroff = = =If crontab is empty I want to add the following to it, so that the machines can shutdown by themselves at 4:15 pm. = =# min hour day-of-month month day-of-week command =15 16 * * 1-5 /usr/bin/poweroff /dev/null = =I can manually type this for each of the 12 machines, but I thought it would be more efficient to do something like = =#!/bin/bash =# =crontab -e # min hour day-of-month month day-of-week command \ =15 16 * * 1-5 /usr/bin/poweroff /dev/null \ =EOF = =or something similar to apply it to all machines via a usb stick and avoid the typing. How can I correct the above script to do the job, if there is way to do it. = =I have done it manually and it will work, but how can I do it with a script to do it more efficiently? = =Thank you in advance for your help/guidance/suggestions/advice. = =Regards, = =Antonio = There have been a number of answers to your problem, none of which I like. Your crontab is handwritten source code and needs to be treated as such. You may not appreciate what I'm telling you until you actually one day lose your crontab. Edit a file in your home directory called ~/.crontab and use whatever editor you like. Make your crontab ref whatever programs you want and then when your done, just run crontab ~/.crontab to install it. You can check to see that it worked by just running crontab -l Does this help? -- To be honest, I like all the answers provided and I like yours too!, Only 1 question, what would you do in a case where you get something like $ crontab -l Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info You (olivares) are not allowed to access to (crontab) because of pam configuration. How would you deal with it? I encountered this on rawhide and despite the fixes by selinux, I cannot access my crontab there(I know fedora-test-l...@redhat.com for rawhide/testing), but what I had there still works, but I cannot change it :( Regards, Antonio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
useradd and the default group
Can some one explain the following weird behavior with useradd? # useradd -g mock -r -m -d /var/lib/mockuser mockuser -- create a new 'mockuser' user that can be used to run /usr/bin/mock # id mockuser uid=494(mockuser) gid=491(mock) groups=491(mock) # grep mock /etc/group mock:x:491:roth Hm, that's interesting, 'mockuser' is not in the 'mock' group. This can be verified using 'getgrent()'. # usermod -G mock mockuser -- seems redundant... # id mockuser uid=494(mockuser) gid=491(mock) groups=491(mock) -- group membership did not change # grep mock /etc/group mock:x:491:roth,mockuser -- but the group's membership list did change Thanks! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: (no subject)
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 11:31 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: All-caps are harder to read than mixed caps and should be used sparingly. This has been well-known to the printing profession for several hundred years. Not to mention school teachers... It's with good reason that we're first taught the small letters. And for that reason Sesame Street gets a bit of a thumbs down, over here, since it seems to concentrate on the capitals. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.21-78.2.41.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Software request
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 14:58 +, Beartooth wrote: Well, I'd rather start with plain vi, but OK; I do have vim installed -- I think; when I launch it, the top of the windo is labeled gvim You've started it from a menu? Then you're getting the GUIfied version. so how do I get to vimtutor? Launch it from the CLI? Go into a terminal, type vi and hit TAB... -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.21-78.2.41.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Bluetooth mouse won't auto-connect
I have a Logitech Bluetooth mouse with my Asus 1000HE netbook. In general it works very well (even the sideways scrolling feature) but I find I have to run hidd --search as root in order to get it to connect. I use KDE4 so I installed kbluetooth4 and at first was pleasantly suprised when it handled the connection right out of the box. However it's never done it again, despite me clicking on every possible option, permanently authorizing the mouse MAC address, pressing the 'Connect' button on the mouse, etc. Perhaps the most frustrating aspect is that Kbluetooth4 has a device list showing the mouse as discnnected, but there's no button to connect it! This would seem to be an obvious enhancement. Do I have to keep running 'su' to connect my mouse? BTW, it also disconnects on suspend and won't reconnect on resume without the above shenanigans. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Wifi won't reconnect on resume
My Asus 1000HE netbook with F10 seems to work well, including suspend and resume, but the Wifi will *sometimes* (results seem to vary) refuse reconnect after the latter. No amount of fiddling with NM will persuade it. It shows the connection as down and there appears to be no way to make it reconnect, obliging me to reboot. On my desktop, a simple left-click on the NM applet resets the (wired) connection, but it doesn't work on the netbook. Hints welcome. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Wifi won't reconnect on resume
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 12:11 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: My Asus 1000HE netbook with F10 seems to work well, including suspend and resume, but the Wifi will *sometimes* (results seem to vary) refuse reconnect after the latter. No amount of fiddling with NM will persuade it. It shows the connection as down and there appears to be no way to make it reconnect, obliging me to reboot. On my desktop, a simple left-click on the NM applet resets the (wired) connection, but it doesn't work on the netbook. I had that problem on F10 with my Acer Aspire One (Atheros I think) and filed a bug report on it and the claim was that it was fixed upstream (kernel) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=466136 see if any of that pertains and solves your problem, perhaps re-open with your specific issues Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Bluetooth mouse won't auto-connect
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:06:44 -0430 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Do I have to keep running 'su' to connect my mouse? Perhaps sticking the hidd command in /etc/rc.local would work? I haven't tried bluetooth in a while, but the last time I fooled with it to try and get a mouse/keyboard combo device to work, I came to the conclusion that the great bluetooth rewrite which was happening at the time was intended to support nothing except temporarily connecting to bluetooth phones to transfer data files. I was never able to get a boot time permanent bluetooth connection to work. (Fortunately I eventually was able to run the bluetooth dongle in USB mode to make everything look like a USB keyboard and mouse, which even worked in the BIOS). -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: MTRR survey: better X performance on systems with 3G or more RAM
D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: == What I'd like to know about your system: Computer brand and model (or motherboard info): video controller: X video driver: RAM: distro: MTRR problem: Fix: glxgears performance change: I tried it on HW: Asus P5E-VM HDMI MB with G35 chipset video Intel GMA X3500, with intel driver 4GB RAM Fedora 10 with kernels 2.6.29.1-15.fc10.i686 and 2.6.29.1-15.fc10.i686.PAE (from koji). grep write-combining /proc/mtrr with both kernels produce no output, after boot with enable_mtrr_cleanup, grep write-combining /proc/mtrr gives on both kernels output: reg06: base=0x0d000 ( 3328MB), size= 256MB, count=2: write-combining And glxgears outputs: 1) kernel 2.6.29.1-15.fc10.i686 : before: 2262 frames in 5.0 seconds = 452.307 FPS 2272 frames in 5.0 seconds = 454.345 FPS 2262 frames in 5.0 seconds = 452.399 FPS 2262 frames in 5.0 seconds = 452.339 FPS after boot with enable_mtrr_cleanup: 7456 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1491.186 FPS 7456 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1491.004 FPS 7468 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1493.462 FPS 7469 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1493.752 FPS 7472 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1494.248 FPS 2) 2.6.29.1-15.fc10.i686.PAE : before: 2262 frames in 5.0 seconds = 452.368 FPS 2272 frames in 5.0 seconds = 454.229 FPS 2270 frames in 5.0 seconds = 453.898 FPS 2271 frames in 5.0 seconds = 454.167 FPS 2272 frames in 5.0 seconds = 454.309 FPS 2271 frames in 5.0 seconds = 454.163 FPS after boot with enable_mtrr_cleanup: 6270 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1253.902 FPS 6276 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1255.051 FPS 6276 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1255.004 FPS 6274 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1254.667 FPS 6223 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1244.498 FPS Performance with kernel without PAE support is (with enable_mtrr_cleanup) about 15% better compared to kernel with PAE. Compiling Your mtrr-uncover fails: cc -Wall -gmtrr-uncover.c -o mtrr-uncover mtrr-uncover.c:114: error: ‘mtrr_type’ redeclared as different kind of symbol /usr/include/asm/mtrr.h:70: error: previous declaration of ‘mtrr_type’ was here make: *** [mtrr-uncover] Error 1 My /usr/include/asm/mtrr.h at line 70 declare mtrr_type as (lines 68-70): ... /* In the Intel processor's MTRR interface, the MTRR type is always held in an 8 bit field: */ typedef __u8 mtrr_type; ... Regards, Franta Hanzlik -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Wifi won't reconnect on resume
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 09:51 -0700, Craig White wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 12:11 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: My Asus 1000HE netbook with F10 seems to work well, including suspend and resume, but the Wifi will *sometimes* (results seem to vary) refuse reconnect after the latter. No amount of fiddling with NM will persuade it. It shows the connection as down and there appears to be no way to make it reconnect, obliging me to reboot. On my desktop, a simple left-click on the NM applet resets the (wired) connection, but it doesn't work on the netbook. I had that problem on F10 with my Acer Aspire One (Atheros I think) and filed a bug report on it and the claim was that it was fixed upstream (kernel) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=466136 see if any of that pertains and solves your problem, perhaps re-open with your specific issues Thanks, but even if it is same issue the BZ thread implies that it's fixed in kernel 2.6.30, which is not available for F10, and that someone backported it to an older kernel but only for F9. So it looks like I'll have to live with it for now (I note that Rawhide is still only up to kernel 2.6.29). poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Bluetooth mouse won't auto-connect
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 13:10 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:06:44 -0430 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Do I have to keep running 'su' to connect my mouse? Perhaps sticking the hidd command in /etc/rc.local would work? I guess. I haven't tried bluetooth in a while, but the last time I fooled with it to try and get a mouse/keyboard combo device to work, I came to the conclusion that the great bluetooth rewrite which was happening at the time was intended to support nothing except temporarily connecting to bluetooth phones to transfer data files. I was never able to get a boot time permanent bluetooth connection to work. (Fortunately I eventually was able to run the bluetooth dongle in USB mode to make everything look like a USB keyboard and mouse, which even worked in the BIOS). Mirabile dictu, I rebooted again and this time it *did* autoconnect on logging in. What will they think of next ... poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Wifi won't reconnect on resume
Craig White wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 12:11 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: My Asus 1000HE netbook with F10 seems to work well, including suspend and resume, but the Wifi will *sometimes* (results seem to vary) refuse reconnect after the latter. No amount of fiddling with NM will persuade it. It shows the connection as down and there appears to be no way to make it reconnect, obliging me to reboot. On my desktop, a simple left-click on the NM applet resets the (wired) connection, but it doesn't work on the netbook. I had that problem on F10 with my Acer Aspire One (Atheros I think) and filed a bug report on it and the claim was that it was fixed upstream (kernel) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=466136 see if any of that pertains and solves your problem, perhaps re-open with your specific issues Craig Kernel-2.6.27 had a big fix for the Atheros chipset. I had the same problem on a Asus eeePC 702 , Atheros 5007AG chipset and the 2.6.27 kernel starting at FC9 solved the problems and haven't had anymore problem since. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Total Number of Emails Managed By Thunderbird
On 04/12/2009 08:10 PM, g wrote: Robert L Cochran wrote: Is there a way to get Thunderbird to present a total count of all emails which are in all folders? run a search at: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/ if nothing there, use 'advanced search' google. Providing a total count in all folders could be very costly. First, what about imap where you have a server that can store thousands of emails for you, then local folders. Take my case where I have over 150 local folders consisting of emails I have received over 20 years. I did find some discussion that might be close to what you want: http://www.ghacks.net/2007/04/19/show-message-count-of-all-folders-in-thunderbird/ -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: useradd and the default group
On 13Apr2009 16:28, Carl D. Roth r...@ursus.net wrote: | Can some one explain the following weird behavior with useradd? | # useradd -g mock -r -m -d /var/lib/mockuser mockuser | -- create a new 'mockuser' user that can be used to run /usr/bin/mock | # id mockuser | uid=494(mockuser) gid=491(mock) groups=491(mock) | # grep mock /etc/group | mock:x:491:roth | Hm, that's interesting, 'mockuser' is not in the 'mock' group. This can | be verified using 'getgrent()'. If you look at /etc/passwd you will see the gid field there is mock (494). Eg: $ grep cameron /etc/passwd cameron:x:1000:1000::/home/cameron:/bin/zsh The -g option to useradd specifies the primary group, which is recorded in the passwd file, not the group file. A UNIX user has a primary group which comes from the passwd file and secondary groups which come from the group file. Absent the setgid bit on a directory, new files and directories a process makes get their group ownership from the primary group. _Access_ (open, cd, etc) is governed by uid and all the groups. Cheers, -- Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au DoD#743 http://www.cskk.ezoshosting.com/cs/ Drive Agressively Rash Magnificently - Nankai Leathers -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Question about update of clamav
Steven W. Orr wrote: When I tried to update clamav using yum, it told me that I'm up to date. I've got 0.94.2 and .95 is out. Should I expect this to be available soon or how would this work? Questions: a) What version of fedora? 8, 9, 10? b) 0.95 made significant changes to milter. This may be the cause for the delay. And there is no real threat for using 0.94.2 other than not being the latest release. James signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Wifi won't reconnect on resume
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:11:02 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: My Asus 1000HE netbook with F10 seems to work well, including suspend and resume, but the Wifi will *sometimes* (results seem to vary) refuse reconnect after the latter. No amount of fiddling with NM will persuade it. It shows the connection as down and there appears to be no way to make it reconnect, obliging me to reboot. On my desktop, a simple left-click on the NM applet resets the (wired) connection, but it doesn't work on the netbook. Hints welcome. You might try disabling NetworkManager and running system-config- network -- if you haven't. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Total Number of Emails Managed By Thunderbird
Jerry Feldman wrote: Providing a total count in all folders could be very costly. what and why need, is a bit of a puzzle that i will not lose sleep over. if he really has to have info, a 'find . -f' from 'local folders' with an 'exe grep -c From -' to get a total. not an exact of what it will take, but if it is that important, he can play with it and then post back when he gets lost. granted, it is not as easy as having tbird do it, but obviously, no one else has seen need for such info. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look at* it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ 'fedora faqs' http://www.fedorafaq.org/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Total Number of Emails Managed By Thunderbird
Tim wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 13:41 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote: Providing a total count in all folders could be very costly. First, what about imap where you have a server that can store thousands of emails for you, then local folders. Take my case where I have over 150 local folders consisting of emails I have received over 20 years. Wouldn't it just be counting the totals from the index of each folder, not counting all the messages? Not if some of the folders aren't local (e.g. on an IMAP server and haven't been pulled down, etc.). You'd have to ask the server for its count as well which can take some time and not all servers implement the full set of client commands. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ri...@nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - Perseverance: When you're too damned stubborn to say I quit! - -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Question about update of clamav
When I tried to update clamav using yum, it told me that I'm up to date. I've got 0.94.2 and .95 is out. Should I expect this to be available soon or how would this work? -- Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have .0. happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ ..0 Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all- 000 individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question? steveo at syslang.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Total Number of Emails Managed By Thunderbird
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 13:41 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote: Providing a total count in all folders could be very costly. First, what about imap where you have a server that can store thousands of emails for you, then local folders. Take my case where I have over 150 local folders consisting of emails I have received over 20 years. Wouldn't it just be counting the totals from the index of each folder, not counting all the messages? -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.21-78.2.41.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: (no subject)
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 02:02:02AM +0930, Tim wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 11:31 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: All-caps are harder to read than mixed caps and should be used sparingly. This has been well-known to the printing profession for several hundred years. Not to mention school teachers... It's with good reason that we're first taught the small letters. And for that reason Sesame Street gets a bit of a thumbs down, over here, since it seems to concentrate on the capitals. If thats the case just say its harder to read and be done, don't pretend its like screaming and then scream back breaking your own sacred rule. -- Any fool can know. The point is to understand --Albert Einstein -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Lost panel bar
Friends, I was working normlly on my laptop until yesterday with gnome (no updates, as I remember, but all weekend I used suspend by closing the laptop screen many times). Now I turn on the computer, and the gnome desktop does not show my panel bar (where all the applets and menu-launcher are). I created a launcher for my terminal, so I can launch evolution. How can I restore my panel bar? Why did it faded? Thanks? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Wifi won't reconnect on resume
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 19:14 +, Beartooth wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:11:02 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: My Asus 1000HE netbook with F10 seems to work well, including suspend and resume, but the Wifi will *sometimes* (results seem to vary) refuse reconnect after the latter. No amount of fiddling with NM will persuade it. It shows the connection as down and there appears to be no way to make it reconnect, obliging me to reboot. On my desktop, a simple left-click on the NM applet resets the (wired) connection, but it doesn't work on the netbook. Hints welcome. You might try disabling NetworkManager and running system-config- network -- if you haven't. As I'm resigned to the fact that NM isn't going away, I'd rather get it to work properly, thanks all the same. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: (no subject)
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 16:25 -0400, m wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 02:02:02AM +0930, Tim wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 11:31 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: All-caps are harder to read than mixed caps and should be used sparingly. This has been well-known to the printing profession for several hundred years. Not to mention school teachers... It's with good reason that we're first taught the small letters. And for that reason Sesame Street gets a bit of a thumbs down, over here, since it seems to concentrate on the capitals. If thats the case just say its harder to read and be done, don't pretend its like screaming and then scream back breaking your own sacred rule. You're missing the point. The fact that caps should be used sparingly means that one of their principal uses is for emphasis. Emphasising everything you say is equivalent to shouting. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Strange F10/Ffx trouble
I'm running Firefox 3.0.8 under Fedora 10. Suddenly, when I try to type into it anywhere, such as for instance to post to a web forum, nothing shows up -- till I get the cursor out of the box I'm typing into. Then it does. What could be wrong?? -- Beartooth Implacable, Curmudgeonly Codger Learning Linux On the Internet, you can never tell who is a dog -- supposing you care -- but you can tell who has a mind. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Lost panel bar
rodolfoap wrote: Friends, I was working normlly on my laptop until yesterday with gnome (no updates, as I remember, but all weekend I used suspend by closing the laptop screen many times). Now I turn on the computer, and the gnome desktop does not show my panel bar (where all the applets and menu-launcher are). I created a launcher for my terminal, so I can launch evolution. How can I restore my panel bar? Why did it faded? Thanks? I also lost my panel bars recently. First I lost everything on the top menu bar except for the default Gnome Menu (Applications/Places/System). After restoring most of the panel, the bottom panel completely blanked out. The workspace switch app that I manually added to the bottom panel does not have the preference option to change the number of workspaces, limited me to the default 4. I manually restored the two panels but there are still differences that I need to track down as to what I had installed. Again, I had rebooted a couple of times since my last YUM upgrade. The reboots were manually due to Fedora 10 freezing up on me. -- Steven F. LeBrun Quote: /There are 10 types of people in this world, those that understand binary and those who don't./ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Firefox 3 hogging 90% CPU, can anything be done about this?
Sometime after opening Firefox 3 in Fedora 10 it will start grabbing 90% of the CPU until it is closed again. I am running FlashBlock but that only seems to delay the time somewhat until the cpu goes to 90%. Is there nothing else that can be done about this? If Adobe won't fix the problem, don't we have to do something? Hugh -- Hugh Caley, Linux Administrator Aldon Computer Group 6001 Shellmound St. Suite 600 Emeryville, CA 94608 (510) 285-8542 | hu...@aldon.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox 3 hogging 90% CPU, can anything be done about this?
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:51:58 -0700 Hugh Caley wrote: Sometime after opening Firefox 3 in Fedora 10 it will start grabbing 90% of the CPU until it is closed again. I am running FlashBlock but that only seems to delay the time somewhat until the cpu goes to 90%. Is there nothing else that can be done about this? If Adobe won't fix the problem, don't we have to do something? What does Adobe have to do with Firefox? If your problem is with websites that use Flash, then it's a Flash issue, not a Firefox issue. Do you have still the problem when you don't use those websites? What if you remove the Flash plugin from your Firefox installation? Does the problem go away? If your problem is with Flash and not with Firefox, then are you using the 32-bit or 64-bit version of Flash? Does it happen only with the Flash stuff on one particular website, or with several? Do you still see the problem on commonly-used Flash sites like youtube? -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Software request
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:03:47 +0930, Tim wrote: [] so how do I get to vimtutor? Launch it from the CLI? Go into a terminal, type vi and hit TAB... OK. I got a little bit of somewhat cryptic info about vi, and page after page about the GPL or the children in Uganda. Then it came to a dead end, afaict -- a screen blank except for a line of some character down the side in blue. ^C got me a line saying to type :quit to get out of the remaining featureless page. I did, and it did -- i.e., gave me my prompt back. This is interaction?? Or there's something there that you have to already know vi to see?? PS: I tried it again, to see what the blue margin was. This time it asked me if I wanted to see all 205 possibilities. I told it no. That's qith a space between vi and the tab. Without the space, it does nothing, afaict. Does that mean You had your chance; now to hell with you? -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: (no subject)
2009/4/13 Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com: On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 16:25 -0400, m wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 02:02:02AM +0930, Tim wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 11:31 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: All-caps are harder to read than mixed caps and should be used sparingly. This has been well-known to the printing profession for several hundred years. Not to mention school teachers... It's with good reason that we're first taught the small letters. And for that reason Sesame Street gets a bit of a thumbs down, over here, since it seems to concentrate on the capitals. If thats the case just say its harder to read and be done, don't pretend its like screaming and then scream back breaking your own sacred rule. You're missing the point. The fact that caps should be used sparingly means that one of their principal uses is for emphasis. Emphasising everything you say is equivalent to shouting. That's interesting Patrick, but I'm very keen to learn how Capitals are working very well with your Asus 1000HE netbook with F10, as it hasn't made an outing in this thread yet. -- Sam -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: useradd and the default group
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 16:28 +, Carl D. Roth wrote: Can some one explain the following weird behavior with useradd? # useradd -g mock -r -m -d /var/lib/mockuser mockuser -- create a new 'mockuser' user that can be used to run /usr/bin/mock # id mockuser uid=494(mockuser) gid=491(mock) groups=491(mock) # grep mock /etc/group mock:x:491:roth Hm, that's interesting, 'mockuser' is not in the 'mock' group. This can be verified using 'getgrent()'. # usermod -G mock mockuser -- seems redundant... # id mockuser uid=494(mockuser) gid=491(mock) groups=491(mock) -- group membership did not change # grep mock /etc/group mock:x:491:roth,mockuser -- but the group's membership list did change Thanks! I suspewct that the fact that the mock user already exists by default on the system has something to do with the problem. -- === Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods. -- Albert Einstein === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: (no subject)
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 16:25 -0400, m wrote: If thats the case just say its harder to read and be done, don't pretend its like screaming and then scream back breaking your own sacred rule. You seem to be having quite a tantrum over this, I don't see why. A point was made about it's considered shouting. It is. And by convention, long before email ever existed, UPPER CASE was used as a form of emphasis. Don't people read books? And since the days of e-mail, it's been considered an extreme form of emphasis (i.e. shouting your message). It's also considered lazy typing, and it's also considered ill-educated. A point's also been made that it isn't actually easier to read upper case, normal mixed case is easier to read. Neither point negates the other, they still stand. This isn't an either/or situation. And as far as screaming back, you were one who did that. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.21-78.2.41.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: (no subject)
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 11:31 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sun, 2009-04-12 at 23:40 -0400, m wrote: PERHAPS HE HAS POOR EYESIGHT!!! All-caps are harder to read than mixed caps and should be used sparingly. This has been well-known to the printing profession for several hundred years. poc Why is all this posting going on with the subject? I would on reply and compound this craziness. -- === Reputation, adj.: What others are not thinking about you. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Software request
Beartooth wrote: On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:03:47 +0930, Tim wrote: [] so how do I get to vimtutor? Launch it from the CLI? Go into a terminal, type vi and hit TAB... OK. I got a little bit of somewhat cryptic info about vi, and page after page about the GPL or the children in Uganda. Then it came to a dead end, afaict -- a screen blank except for a line of some character down the side in blue. ^C got me a line saying to type :quit to get out of the remaining featureless page. I did, and it did -- i.e., gave me my prompt back. This is interaction?? Or there's something there that you have to already know vi to see?? PS: I tried it again, to see what the blue margin was. This time it asked me if I wanted to see all 205 possibilities. I told it no. That's qith a space between vi and the tab. Without the space, it does nothing, afaict. Does that mean You had your chance; now to hell with you? Open a terminal and type vimtutor and press enter. Bob -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Software request
Tim: Go into a terminal, type vi and hit TAB... Beartooth: OK. I got a little bit of somewhat cryptic info about vi, Yes. ;-) Though I think you might be misunderstanding tutoring. Tutoring is teaching, generally by doing at the same time. Tutoring isn't an instruction book, in the general sense. and page after page about the GPL or the children in Uganda. I don't see that in the vimtutor, but I have read that text elsewhere in the pages that vi can show you. I suspect you've done something else, perhaps my vi and hit tab clue was too cryptic. [...@suspishus ~]$ vitabtab vivim vimtutor vino-preferences view vimdiff vimx vimtutor is a command, I said vi and hit tab to get you to have a look at what commands were available to you beginning with vi. It's often a good way to find related commands to something, or the command name for something you can only remember part of. Or there's something there that you have to already know vi to see?? Yes, vi's like that. I only use it in its most basic form. I learnt enough to use it to edit files when there's no GUI (e.g. the computer's barely booting, or over a network). Does that mean You had your chance; now to hell with you? ;-) Since you've used the GUIfied version of vim (gvim), have you tried its help menu? You get index pages and help in the gvim window, and many of the coloured bits of text (point numbers, obvious file names, etc.) can be clicked on to load a page about them (rather like using the lynx web browser with a mouse). -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.21-78.2.41.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox 3 hogging 90% CPU, can anything be done about this?
I had the problem with FF taken too much of my resources, so I do not use it as often. I use Chrome more often. FF has more tools available. :-) On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Frank Cox thea...@sasktel.net wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:51:58 -0700 Hugh Caley wrote: Sometime after opening Firefox 3 in Fedora 10 it will start grabbing 90% of the CPU until it is closed again. I am running FlashBlock but that only seems to delay the time somewhat until the cpu goes to 90%. Is there nothing else that can be done about this? If Adobe won't fix the problem, don't we have to do something? What does Adobe have to do with Firefox? If your problem is with websites that use Flash, then it's a Flash issue, not a Firefox issue. Do you have still the problem when you don't use those websites? What if you remove the Flash plugin from your Firefox installation? Does the problem go away? If your problem is with Flash and not with Firefox, then are you using the 32-bit or 64-bit version of Flash? Does it happen only with the Flash stuff on one particular website, or with several? Do you still see the problem on commonly-used Flash sites like youtube? -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox 3 hogging 90% CPU, can anything be done about this?
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 14:56 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:51:58 -0700 Hugh Caley wrote: Sometime after opening Firefox 3 in Fedora 10 it will start grabbing 90% of the CPU until it is closed again. I am running FlashBlock but that only seems to delay the time somewhat until the cpu goes to 90%. Is there nothing else that can be done about this? If Adobe won't fix the problem, don't we have to do something? What does Adobe have to do with Firefox? If your problem is with websites that use Flash, then it's a Flash issue, not a Firefox issue. Do you have still the problem when you don't use those websites? What if you remove the Flash plugin from your Firefox installation? Does the problem go away? If your problem is with Flash and not with Firefox, then are you using the 32-bit or 64-bit version of Flash? Does it happen only with the Flash stuff on one particular website, or with several? Do you still see the problem on commonly-used Flash sites like youtube? fwiw - I have found the AdobeReader plugin to Firefox far more hostile than the Flash plugin and the latest versions on i386 seem to be a bit better behaved. In the past, I have removed the plugin from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins (nppdf.so) and found that a much better solution but you need to repeat that each time you install an AdobeReader update. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox 3 hogging 90% CPU, can anything be done about this?
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:43:37 -0700 Craig White wrote: fwiw - I have found the AdobeReader plugin to Firefox far more hostile than the Flash plugin and the latest versions on i386 seem to be a bit better behaved. In the past, I have removed the plugin from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins (nppdf.so) and found that a much better solution but you need to repeat that each time you install an AdobeReader update. I agree, and I do exactly the same thing here. Have you noticed dead-dog slow printing with acroread 9? acroread 8 prints in a few seconds on a HP5100 printer; acroread 9 takes ten minutes or more to print the same page. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox 3 hogging 90% CPU, can anything be done about this?
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 16:55 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:43:37 -0700 Craig White wrote: fwiw - I have found the AdobeReader plugin to Firefox far more hostile than the Flash plugin and the latest versions on i386 seem to be a bit better behaved. In the past, I have removed the plugin from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins (nppdf.so) and found that a much better solution but you need to repeat that each time you install an AdobeReader update. I agree, and I do exactly the same thing here. Have you noticed dead-dog slow printing with acroread 9? acroread 8 prints in a few seconds on a HP5100 printer; acroread 9 takes ten minutes or more to print the same page. I rarely go to dead tree format these days so no. If the test were with the exact same document and uninstall AR9 and re-install AR8 and verifiable, it would be interesting but too many other variables often sneak in otherwise. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox 3 hogging 90% CPU, can anything be done about this?
Frank Cox wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:51:58 -0700 Hugh Caley wrote: Sometime after opening Firefox 3 in Fedora 10 it will start grabbing 90% of the CPU until it is closed again. I am running FlashBlock but that only seems to delay the time somewhat until the cpu goes to 90%. Is there nothing else that can be done about this? If Adobe won't fix the problem, don't we have to do something? What does Adobe have to do with Firefox? If your problem is with websites that use Flash, then it's a Flash issue, not a Firefox issue. Do you have still the problem when you don't use those websites? What if you remove the Flash plugin from your Firefox installation? Does the problem go away? If your problem is with Flash and not with Firefox, then are you using the 32-bit or 64-bit version of Flash? Does it happen only with the Flash stuff on one particular website, or with several? Do you still see the problem on commonly-used Flash sites like youtube? All right, I had assumed that this was a well known issue by now; I've certainly seen lots of posts about it. Problem: After running Firefox for a time (a few minutes to 30 minutes) it will start taking 80%+ of CPU (as shown in top) and will keep taking it until I restart the browser. This machine is running Fedora 10 32-bit. Firefox firefox-3.0.8-1 flash-plugin-10.0.22.87 This is usually associated with heavy CPU from npviewer.bin, hence the association with flash and flashplayer. There are several open tickets on this and similar problems on Adobe's website: https://bugs.adobe.com/flashplayer/ Search for linux cpu etc. I do definitely get the problem on sites such as youtube; however, I also get the problem on sites that don't have any obvious flash content, and frankly, I'm not sure which ones at this point. Flashblock doesn't seem to catch all of them. Still trying to find out. I think it would be a good thing if Fedora and Mozilla/Firefox talked with Adobe about fixing this. Hugh -- Hugh Caley, Linux Administrator Aldon Computer Group 6001 Shellmound St. Suite 600 Emeryville, CA 94608 (510) 285-8542 | hu...@aldon.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox 3 hogging 90% CPU, can anything be done about this?
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:17:02 -0700 Craig White wrote: I rarely go to dead tree format these days so no. If the test were with the exact same document and uninstall AR9 and re-install AR8 and verifiable, it would be interesting but too many other variables often sneak in otherwise. That's what I did. Installed acroread 9, printing slowed way down. Re-installed acroread 8, everything went back to normal. Google found me a few mentions of (apparently) the Windows acroread 9 doing the same thing, so I guess it's a common problem. Meanwhile, acroread 8 will continue to live on that machine. I didn't notice any improvement in acroread 9 that mattered to me, anyway. It's a HP Laserjet 5100 that we use to create plates for a printing press, so it gets used a lot and is fairly critical to the printer's business operations. Having it slow down that much really held up production. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox 3 hogging 90% CPU, can anything be done about this?
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:26:39 -0700 Hugh Caley wrote: Problem: After running Firefox for a time (a few minutes to 30 minutes) it will start taking 80%+ of CPU (as shown in top) and will keep taking it until I restart the browser. This machine is running Fedora 10 32-bit. Firefox firefox-3.0.8-1 flash-plugin-10.0.22.87 I actually haven't seen that problem on any of the Fedora and Centos machines that I look after. At least, not in quite some time as I don't remember anything about it at the moment. (Knock on wood and so on, of course.) This is usually associated with heavy CPU from npviewer.bin, hence the association with flash and flashplayer. That does make it sound like a Flash problem. There are several open tickets on this and similar problems on Adobe's website: https://bugs.adobe.com/flashplayer/ That's probably the best place to take this issue up; Flash is a closed-source program that nobody can fix other than Adobe. I do definitely get the problem on sites such as youtube; however, I also get the problem on sites that don't have any obvious flash content, and frankly, I'm not sure which ones at this point. Flashblock doesn't seem to catch all of them. Still trying to find out. You might want to look at using noscript instead of Flashblock. It does what Flashblock does, plus more. Perhaps a combination of Flashblock and Flash content contributes to or causes the problem. What happens if you uninstall Flashblock and install noscript instead? Again, that's what I use and I haven't seen that problem so perhaps that's the reason why. The last Adobe run-away that I had was a rogue acroread process on Centos 5 that ate up everything to a point that you could barely enter a single character on the keyboard any more. When I eventually managed to log into it I killed that process and everything returned to normal. But that was acroread, not Flash. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox 3 hogging 90% CPU, can anything be done about this?
2009/4/13 Frank Cox thea...@sasktel.net: On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:17:02 -0700 Craig White wrote: I rarely go to dead tree format these days so no. If the test were with the exact same document and uninstall AR9 and re-install AR8 and verifiable, it would be interesting but too many other variables often sneak in otherwise. That's what I did. Installed acroread 9, printing slowed way down. Re-installed acroread 8, everything went back to normal. Google found me a few mentions of (apparently) the Windows acroread 9 doing the same thing, so I guess it's a common problem. Meanwhile, acroread 8 will continue to live on that machine. I didn't notice any improvement in acroread 9 that mattered to me, anyway. It's a HP Laserjet 5100 that we use to create plates for a printing press, so it gets used a lot and is fairly critical to the printer's business operations. Having it slow down that much really held up production. You can setup FF to open the pdf outside of FF. Does it slow down when you do that? How about Evince, does it lack any features that Adobe Reader has? I use Evince exclusively both in my Fedora 10 home desktop and Xubuntu 8.04 work desktop without any problems. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox 3 hogging 90% CPU, can anything be done about this?
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:51:19 -0700 suvayu ali wrote: You can setup FF to open the pdf outside of FF. Does it slow down when you do that? Yes. In fact, that's how we run acroread on that machine -- just a standalone app with no connection to firefox at all. How about Evince, does it lack any features that Adobe Reader has? Yes. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=220983 I really wish we could use evince instead of acroread. But I use Evince exclusively both in my Fedora 10 home desktop and Xubuntu 8.04 work desktop without any problems. It all comes down to what you're doing with it. In our case, nothing other than acroread is currently up to the job. Unfortunately. (Nothing worse than starting the press run and discovering that an important graphic is missing on an inside page of the paper after everything has been printed and collated. Yes, that really has happened in the past.) -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox 3 hogging 90% CPU, can anything be done about this?
Frank Cox wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:26:39 -0700 Hugh Caley wrote: Problem: After running Firefox for a time (a few minutes to 30 minutes) it will start taking 80%+ of CPU (as shown in top) and will keep taking it until I restart the browser. This machine is running Fedora 10 32-bit. Firefox firefox-3.0.8-1 flash-plugin-10.0.22.87 I actually haven't seen that problem on any of the Fedora and Centos machines that I look after. At least, not in quite some time as I don't remember anything about it at the moment. (Knock on wood and so on, of course.) This is usually associated with heavy CPU from npviewer.bin, hence the association with flash and flashplayer. That does make it sound like a Flash problem. There are several open tickets on this and similar problems on Adobe's website: https://bugs.adobe.com/flashplayer/ That's probably the best place to take this issue up; Flash is a closed-source program that nobody can fix other than Adobe. I do definitely get the problem on sites such as youtube; however, I also get the problem on sites that don't have any obvious flash content, and frankly, I'm not sure which ones at this point. Flashblock doesn't seem to catch all of them. Still trying to find out. You might want to look at using noscript instead of Flashblock. It does what Flashblock does, plus more. Perhaps a combination of Flashblock and Flash content contributes to or causes the problem. What happens if you uninstall Flashblock and install noscript instead? Again, that's what I use and I haven't seen that problem so perhaps that's the reason why. The last Adobe run-away that I had was a rogue acroread process on Centos 5 that ate up everything to a point that you could barely enter a single character on the keyboard any more. When I eventually managed to log into it I killed that process and everything returned to normal. But that was acroread, not Flash. I've seen posts about people who are able to just kill npviewer.bin and their browsers go back to normal. However, npviewer.bin isn't always running when I have that problem. I'll try noscript, but I'd REALLY like Fedora/RedHat/Mozilla people to work on the problem. If you look at the adobe site there are quite a few logged bugs about this sort of thing, and no resolutions. I would suspect Linux is a lower priority. Some higher-end help would be good! Hugh -- Hugh Caley, Linux Administrator Aldon Computer Group 6001 Shellmound St. Suite 600 Emeryville, CA 94608 (510) 285-8542 | hu...@aldon.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox 3 hogging 90% CPU, can anything be done about this?
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:15:26 -0700 Hugh Caley wrote: I'll try noscript, but I'd REALLY like Fedora/RedHat/Mozilla people to work on the problem. If you look at the adobe site there are quite a few logged bugs about this sort of thing, and no resolutions. I would suspect Linux is a lower priority. Some higher-end help would be good! Again, I don't think there is a lot that the Fedora/Redhat/Mozilla people can do to solve the problem. Flash is a closed-source program and nobody other than Adobe is in a position to deal with it. You should take this up with Adobe. They may, or may not, be able to fix it. Nobody else can. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox 3 hogging 90% CPU, can anything be done about this?
On 4/14/09, suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: You can setup FF to open the pdf outside of FF. Does it slow down when you do that? How about Evince, does it lack any features that Adobe Reader has? I use Evince exclusively both in my Fedora 10 home desktop and Xubuntu 8.04 work desktop without any problems. Evince is OK, but (a) it has only a fixed number of magnifications and (b) the quality of acroread's output is much better. Andras -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox 3 hogging 90% CPU, can anything be done about this?
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 16:26 -0700, Hugh Caley wrote: I do definitely get the problem on sites such as youtube; however, I also get the problem on sites that don't have any obvious flash content, and frankly, I'm not sure which ones at this point. Flashblock doesn't seem to catch all of them. Still trying to find out. I think it would be a good thing if Fedora and Mozilla/Firefox talked with Adobe about fixing this. just so you understand that Adobe ships Flash (and of course Adobe Reader and everything else) in what we tend to refer to as a binary blob and thus only they retain the source code. While some of the Adobe software might be free in terms of no cost, they aren't free as in open source and so the only set of eyeballs that ever looks at the program code is theirs. The distinction is a very important one. Adobe has sole responsibility for compatibility as they can download the source code for Mozilla Firefox and fully understand how to implement their software in Firefox. The responsibility completely lies with Adobe and if you are unhappy, you should be complaining to Adobe, not the list. The list might help you with some workarounds but that's going to be as far as it goes. The ultimate solution would be to use the open source variants (perhaps gnash) because then you could participate in the software development. No one from Fedora or Mozilla software development is going to waste their time on Adobe proprietary software that they can't even see the source code to possibly make a knowledgeable suggestion. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
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m wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 02:02:02AM +0930, Tim wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 11:31 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: All-caps are harder to read than mixed caps and should be used sparingly. This has been well-known to the printing profession for several hundred years. Not to mention school teachers... It's with good reason that we're first taught the small letters. And for that reason Sesame Street gets a bit of a thumbs down, over here, since it seems to concentrate on the capitals. If thats the case just say its harder to read and be done, don't pretend its like screaming and then scream back breaking your own sacred rule. A quick google of email etiquette will reveal that it is a long held convention http://www.emailreplies.com/ http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/636/01/ http://www.cit.gu.edu.au/~davidt/email_etiquette.htm but maybe this one is why some people ignore it http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA012054101033.aspx:-) :-) -- I know things about TROY DONAHUE that can't even be PRINTED!! mei-mei.gres...@greshko.com http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=cCSz_koUhSg signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
