Re: Removing %clean (Was Re: Agenda for the 2009-05-26 Packaging Committee meeting)
On Tue, 26 May 2009, Tom \spot\ Callaway wrote:
On 05/26/2009 04:10 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
I vote for also removing the %clean section.
So, looking at this objectively, here are the technical problems:
* We're defining a BuildRoot in the spec, but that definition is no
longer used (Fedora 10 or higher), because rpm now automagically sets it
for us.
* We're typing rm -rf %{buildroot} multiple times in every single Fedora
specfile. We want to invoke it twice:
- As the very first operation of the %install scriptlet
- As the very first operation of the %clean scriptlet
The concerns around removing the BuildRoot from the spec is that if that
spec is taken to an older system, the spec would either
* Not work
* Set the BuildRoot to / and cause massive system destruction
The good news is that for all the Fedora targets that we care about, if
BuildRoot is unset, it is just unset. It never gets set to / on anything
we care about (including RHEL 4 and 5, I checked).
And I really don't think we need to care about anything older than RHEL
4 (roughly equivalent to Fedora 6). A comment in the packaging
guidelines should be sufficient, so simply dropping the unnecessary
BuildRoot definition as soon as Fedora 9 is EOL seems like a sane course
of action.
The %install scriptlet case is reasonably simple to solve with
redhat-rpm-config's customized macros file, simply add:
%__spec_install_pre %{___build_pre}\
[ $RPM_BUILD_ROOT != / ] rm -rf ${RPM_BUILD_ROOT}\
mkdir -p `dirname $RPM_BUILD_ROOT`\
mkdir $RPM_BUILD_ROOT\
%{nil}
This ensures that every time %install is invoked in a spec file, it
checks that buildroot isn't / (which, it should never ever be, but given
the past history, doesn't hurt to check), then deletes it. Next, it
makes the basedir of $RPM_BUILD_ROOT, in case that doesn't exist, then
makes the buildroot for us, saving additional pain in some Fedora spec
files where the make install process is either too dumb to do this for
us (or non-existant).
Yup, %install part is mostly a no-brainer. While at it...
redhat-rpm-config redefines %install, %build and some others as macros
which has some strange/unwanted side-effects. Switching these to use
templates instead wouldn't hurt.
The %clean scriptlet case is harder. Lets get the easy case out of the
way, removing the obligatory rm -rf %{buildroot} invocation:
%__spec_clean_pre %{___build_pre}\
[ $RPM_BUILD_ROOT != / ] rm -rf ${RPM_BUILD_ROOT}\
%{nil}
With that, every time %clean is invoked in a spec file, it checks that
buildroot isn't /, and then deletes it if it is not.
However, that doesn't really resolve the deeper desire, which is as
Richard points out, is to remove the need to explicitly state the %clean
section at all. If we need to overload it beyond its defaults, we should
be able to invoke it manually and append to it, but if it is not set, it
should be invoked automagically.
RPM doesn't act this way. For all scriptlets, their absence does not
result in automatic invocation (there is no idea of always executed
default scriptlets in a spec), but instead is how they are omitted. I
can certainly see valid use cases where a package would not want %clean
to be invoked. It might be possible to change RPM's behavior to
introduce a disabler mechanism for default always executed scriptlets:
pseudocode
%disable %check
/pseudocode
This would be a significant behavior change for RPM, and not something
we could do with distribution specific macro tweaks. It would also break
backwards compatibility with older RPM spec files, which has
traditionally been avoided.
Another, perhaps simpler alternative would be making rpm inject default
%clean action when spec doesn't define one. To disable/customize the
default behavior, you'd just add an empty (or otherwise custom) %clean in
the spec, no special disabler logic required.
It is of course a change of behavior in rpm but allows getting rid of the
%clean section in 99% of specs and permits backwards compatibility too: if
you want to have %clean do (or not do) whatever you want, you just keep
the %clean section in the spec. It'd make those special cases stand out
clearly too, all you have to do is grep for %clean.
*
So, given those facts, and assuming that RPM isn't changing its
behaviors anytime soon, we can make macro changes in redhat-rpm-config
and change from this:
BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n)
...
%install
rm -rf %{buildroot}
make DESTDIR=%{buildroot} install
...
%clean
rm -rf %{buildroot}
...
TO:
...
%install
make DESTDIR=%{buildroot} install
...
%clean
...
Is anyone opposed to that?
No objections to BuildRoot and %install parts, but I'd suggest leaving
%clean out of it for the time being, as this is on direct collision
course with the above suggestion of built-in default %clean.
- Panu -
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Re: gnaughty is a hot babe
does the upstream web site for evolution carries a note that it's not suitable for certain group of users ? does the maintainers or reviewers see that it should ? am I the only one who knows that if p then q will evaluate to T when p=F yes, I hope that no one in fedora project pack nudity images in official repos of fedora, but I have no power to stop them from doing so, that's way I suggested when someone want's to do let he warn us in a wiki page if he or his upstream carries such a note. some one asked me to pay the rating fees for every package! other started to give me examples about different people having different opinions I consider all this is off-topic. yes, English is not my first language, and law is not one of my interests, and for sure there exists a better phrasing of the page https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/InappropriateContents but nobody have shown me a serious problem in that page Don't tie words together, separate them with spaces (MediaWiki will transform them in underscores). ok that's an easy task Inappropriate_Packages_Advisory Also, those packages are not inappropriate. They _might be_. let's say Suggested_Inappropriate_Packages_Advisory but I guess that Advisory and Suggested carries same meaning I think we should go with one of the two words (either Suggested or Advisory) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: gnaughty is a hot babe
On Sat, 2009-05-30 at 12:44 +0300, Muayyad AlSadi wrote: yes, English is not my first language, and law is not one of my interests, and for sure there exists a better phrasing of the page https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/InappropriateContents but nobody have shown me a serious problem in that page Yes, they have: there's no way there's going to be a Packaging Guideline on the matter (a Packaging Draft is a Packaging Guideline wanna-be / to-be). If you want such a page just do it and don't try to make it an official guideline. -- Jussi Lehtola Fedora Project Contributor jussileht...@fedoraproject.org -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: mimehandler automatic Provides?
On Mon, 25 May 2009, Mamoru Tasaka wrote: Michael Schwendt wrote, at 05/25/2009 05:35 PM +9:00: Are they related to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/AutoFontsAndMimeInstaller ? Yes. audacity = 1.3.7-0.6.beta.fc11 Build Time 2009-03-02 16:40:30 GMT mimehandler(application/ogg) mimehandler(application/x-audacity-project) mimehandler(audio/basic) mimehandler(audio/x-aifc) mimehandler(audio/x-aiff) mimehandler(audio/x-aiffc) mimehandler(audio/x-wav) And in a later build they are not added anymore. audacity = 1.3.7-0.7.beta.fc11 Build Time 2009-05-13 08:50:08 GMT Searching the Wiki for mimehandler yields no results. I guess this is related to - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=494817 - and file seems to have changed between these two days. Rpm changed too between these two, and that's what makes the difference here: tweak for something else broke this particular case. Note that Panu said that the above bug was fixed in F-12 rpm and actually 1.3.7-0.7.beta.fc12 has some mimetype Provides. Yup, the fix needs pulling into F11 too along with some others, but the fixes aren't quite critical enough to warrant requesting a freeze break and I dont really want yet another zero-day update either... but anyway an update to F11 rpm is pending sooner than later. - Panu - -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Fedora Mips\Arm Processors?
Looking at following: http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2009/05/the-mips-processor-and-the-150-1.html How is Fedora in regards to running mips\arm processors? Frank -- msn: frankly3d skype: frankly3d Mailing-List Reply to: Mailing-List Still Learning, Unicode where possible -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: gnaughty is a hot babe
On Sat, 30 May 2009, Muayyad AlSadi wrote: does the upstream web site for evolution carries a note that it's not suitable for certain group of users ? does the maintainers or reviewers see that it should ? Read the lwn.net article about hot babe. The easily offended editor mentioned that the --color functionality of ls offends him and he wants it gone. If a reviewer feels the same your page will be swamped with bogus reports of offending tools. Or if another fedora user disagrees with a tool being flagged as inappropriate, he might even remove the tool from the list. am I the only one who knows that if p then q will evaluate to T when p=F As you neither did define the relation of T or F to either p or q your proof is just a logical fallacy. I fear the same is true for your inappropriateness-rating. It's full of fail. some one asked me to pay the rating fees for every package! other started to give me examples about different people having different opinions I consider all this is off-topic. I think your missing the point. People pointing out problems with your approach are not off-topic. They are very much on-topic. Declaring their objections as off-topic doesn't make the underlying problem go away. yes, English is not my first language, and law is not one of my interests, and for sure there exists a better phrasing of the page https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/InappropriateContents but nobody have shown me a serious problem in that page Read the discussion, read the comment placed directly on the page. I think the best way of solving your issue is to gather other people interested in your specific spin and generate a list of acceptable programs. Don't base it on any opinion a random fedora user might or might not have. Have the list on a page you directly control. This is especially important as any programm you might not flag correctly will reflect badly on your spin. The wiki on fedoraproject.org is most likely not the right place for such a list. You know the saying: Right tool for the right job. regards, andreas -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
rawhide report: 20090530 changes
Compose started at Sat May 30 06:15:04 UTC 2009 Summary: Added Packages: 0 Removed Packages: 0 Modified Packages: 0 Broken deps for ppc64 -- cabal2spec-0.12-1.fc11.noarch requires ghc 0:6.10.1-7 -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora Mips\Arm Processors?
Frank Murphy (Frankly3d) píše v So 30. 05. 2009 v 13:23 +0100: Looking at following: http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2009/05/the-mips-processor-and-the-150-1.html How is Fedora in regards to running mips\arm processors? Fedora/ARM is an alive secondary architecture - see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM for details. There is no public effort to port Fedora to MIPS, but someone (connected to a netbook vendor?) was asking some questions about our buildsystem. Dan -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: rawhide report: 20090528 changes
On Fri, 29 May 2009 10:11:26 -0700, Adam wrote: As Kevin says, the changelog isn't well ordered - note the date/email/revision line, that's the changes in -164. The changelog shows 164, 165, 166, 167, 163. I wonder if this will ever get fixed :) http://yum.baseurl.org/ticket/6 with patches - 12/19/08 (james disagrees with me, but he's wrong [1]) http://yum.baseurl.org/ticket/7 with patch - 12/20/08 adds the missing changelog entries for rebuilds done on the same day (no reply yet) And of course, once the tools are fixed, infrastructure needs updates. -- [1] To reverse the changelog entries (oldest first) in the metadata means that every utility that wants to display the changelog entries must reverse them once more. *urks* -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: gnaughty is a hot babe
Muayyad AlSadi wrote: some one asked me to pay the rating fees for every package! If you want a professional rating, that's going to be your only option. It seems clear to me from the discussion that nobody else around here is interested in paying for an official rating of every single package in Fedora. If you're OK with volunteers rating the packages, then you won't have to pay anyone, just ask for like-minded people to help you go through the packages and rate them. I'm sure you'll find some in your custom remix's community. But don't expect Fedora packagers to do the work for you. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: rawhide report: 20090528 changes
Michael Schwendt wrote: [1] To reverse the changelog entries (oldest first) in the metadata means that every utility that wants to display the changelog entries must reverse them once more. *urks* Why do we care at all whether the changelog entries are newest first or oldest first? All I care about is that the order is consistent! Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: rawhide report: 20090528 changes
On Sat, 30 May 2009 17:28:29 +0200, Kevin wrote: Michael Schwendt wrote: [1] To reverse the changelog entries (oldest first) in the metadata means that every utility that wants to display the changelog entries must reverse them once more. *urks* Why do we care at all whether the changelog entries are newest first or oldest first? All I care about is that the order is consistent! Kevin Kofler In RPM they are newest first, so why reverse them in the metadata? The order is only inconsistent because createrepo sorts them, which doesn't work because the timestamps are not accurate enough. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: gnaughty is a hot babe
am I the only one who knows that if p then q will evaluate to T when p=F As you neither did define the relation of T or F to either p or q your proof is just a logical fallacy. I fear the same is true for your inappropriateness-rating. It's full of fail. the statement was like this if it was rated, if the upstream, if the maintainer feels ... - add a comment if non of those happened, ie. it was not rated nor the upstream carries such note nor the maintainer feels that it should then the whole statement is true ie. it should not stop the package from being accepted. The wiki on fedoraproject.org is most likely not the right place for such a list. then ok, it seems this is true and I realize that too late sorry for wasting your time. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: RPM Soft dependencies (Was: Re: Agenda for the 2009-05-26 Packaging Committee meeting)
Andreas Thienemann andr...@bawue.net wrote: On Sat, 30 May 2009, Panu Matilainen wrote: Apart from some mostly cosmetical issues, the problem with the soft dependency patches of Suse (which Mandriva uses too) is not so much what they do, but what they dont do. I've been on the verge of committing the patches several times and got stuck in the semantics swamp as many times. The Suse patches only define rpm doesn't care semantics, leaving everything to upper layers. Which seems kinda ok at first sight, but on a closer look I always end up with but rpm does need to know, to some extent at least. Your example explains why the current SuSE way of doing soft dependencies is not the best way of doing it. This whole soft dependencies idea has been discussed to death numerous times already, and the conclusion has always been that they really don't solve anything. There is a wide range of very different functionalities under this idea: Suggestions for additional packages that might be useful for a tiny minority to packages that should be installed together always except if you are extremely tight on space, packages that work well together, packages that form a set with a common UI, ... But I think everyone is in agreement that we need soft dependencies in order to sort out our current dependency mess. Haven't seen any such. Care to explain? It increasingly happens that half the desktop is being pulled in for system services. Then either the system services require too much desktop (bug to be fixed, has nothing whatsoever to do with soft dependencies) or the desktop is insinuating itself too much into the system (very little can be done about this, GUIs and desktops and ... _are_ the primary use of current systems, soft dependencies won't do anything about that tendency). Soft dependencies, together with dlopen() might be a good way of solving this. That doesn't solve anything, it just complicates applications (need fallbacks when something isn't available, need to handle oldish versions, ...) Therefore I'm wondering: Are there any better ways of solving this File concrete bugs. Suggest alternatives. Keep complaining when a text-only system requires GUI components. and when can we expect them? :) Whenever you help fixing the bugs filed in the area ;-) -- Dr. Horst H. von Brand User #22616 counter.li.org Departamento de InformaticaFono: +56 32 2654431 Universidad Tecnica Federico Santa Maria +56 32 2654239 Casilla 110-V, Valparaiso, Chile 234 Fax: +56 32 2797513 -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Plans for tomorrow's (20090529) FESCo meeting
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:32:25AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 10:00 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On 05/29/2009 09:47 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: There is a solution to this particular point, which it seems many who use kmods don't seem to know about: akmods. Install the akmod for your kmod, and if the pre-built kmod hasn't yet been updated when a new kernel is released, the akmod handles the problem (it gets automatically built at boot time). I've used dkms (the infrastructural package is in Fedora although there's no modules in fedora to use it). It seems similar to what you describe. Yes, vanilla DKMS works like this: it doesn't use pre-built binaries at all, it's just about wrapping the module source up into a convenient lump and having a bit of infrastructure to automatically compile it during startup if appropriate. If you have a package that contains pre-built binaries, DKMS will happily use those. We use that model on the Enterprise distros all the time. That doesn't address all the other problems, of course, which are valid. And it doesn't help if the new kernel happens to have changed the interface somehow so the module source doesn't build any more. But there This ended up being the blocker for my personal use. For FESCo, I remember the requirement that gcc and other build tools were needed on an end user system was a big issue. Yeah, that's the drawback to a pure source approach. Agreed. Mandriva took DKMS and hacked it up so that it creates both pre-built binaries and 'source' packages (much like kmods and akmods in the kmod system), so that if you have a system without the build chain things will work as long as you're running a supported kernel and the updates are in sync, but if you have the whole build chain, the 'source' DKMS package covers you if you're running a different kernel or whatever. RPM Fusion does much the same by providing both kmods and akmods. I do wish MDV would send such patches upstream... I always had to go hunting for patches. FWIW, the Linux Foundation Driver Backport Working Group [1] has standardized on using DKMS as a developer tool for building [a]kmod-like packages (KMPs in Novell terminology). But of course, that's still targeted at backporting fixes / drivers to older kernels in the stable Enterprise distros. DKMS and related tools really don't make sense for use as a delivery mechanism for Fedora and other rapidly changing non-commercial-supported distributions . Different target audience, different expected experience. [1] http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/driver-backport -- Matt Domsch Technology Strategist, Dell Office of the CTO linux.dell.com www.dell.com/linux -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: welcome to fedora
Valent Turkovic wrote: I saw this and thought that it would also be a nice idea I like the current Plymouth theme with the white circle that gradually fills in and them 'pops out' with the fedora infinity F. It looks really cool. Isn't that a nice welcome? It is definitely very elegant. If you edit /etc/motd and put Welcome to Fedora into it, it will say that to you when you do a text login. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: RPM Soft dependencies (Was: Re: Agenda for the 2009-05-26 Packaging Committee meeting)
On Sat, 2009-05-30 at 22:34 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On 05/30/2009 10:23 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: One obvious one I maintain for Mandriva is Elisa (which just got renamed to Moovida). If certain other packages are involved, it gains very useful features...but it works perfectly well without them, and some users may not want those features. A soft dependency covers this situation pretty perfectly; by default you get the extra dependencies installed so the features will be available, but if you're someone who needs to optimize disk space or number of installed packages you'll have configured urpmi not to install soft dependencies so you won't get them, and if you didn't do that but you later decide to remove one of the soft deps, you can. What is the behaviour when a package with soft deps on another package is upgraded and the soft dependency is currently not installed? What is it, in MDV and SUSE? Can't remember, off the top of my head. What should it be? Interesting question, indeed. Either option is wrong for someone. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 11 RC2 installation testing
Andre Robatino wrote in fedora-test-list: I have made available a deltaiso from the i386 Preview DVD ISO to the i386 RC2 ISO. It is 233945224 bytes (about 6-7% the size of the full ISO) with MD5 f0413ba9d23be4dd1778a06f35c80a43, and can be downloaded from http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=497480 ... To apply it, one needs to have the deltarpm package installed, and then run the command applydeltaiso Fedora-11-Preview-i386-DVD.iso Fedora-11-Preview_rc2-i386-DVD.diso Fedora-11-i386-DVD.iso ... Of course, one should check the sha256sum of the final ISO (listed in Fedora-11-i386-CHECKSUM as 07f1229ad5717d63d2e08d556b9221be71a825ad83b9090b4632bf7208189bf6) ... This was just done as a demonstration. ... Hmm... Make the technology work *for* you. A novel idea. Maybe the GA could be distributed the same way, like to mirrors and end users. It only works for places that already have the previous image (i.e., Preview in this case), but that's at least the testers. Worth it? ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: RFR: triageweb
On 2009-05-30 06:10:23 PM, Brennan Ashton wrote: The Bugzappers team would like to request the test time be extended for another month as we continue to make changes and test the system. Could the Expiration/Delivery Date be changed to July 6, 2009. Sure thing, we'll make sure to keep publictest14 available until then. Thanks, Ricky pgp1WG9divtpn.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Unable to switch to wireless
ASUS Z84F, wireless built-in. Normally I connect to my Netgear router via ethernet. Nm-applet (Fedora 10) reports wireless connection. Problem: if I unplug the ethernet connection, the system does not switch to wireless. If I re-boot with the ethernet unplugged, wireless works fine, and if I re-plug the ethernet connection, it switches over correctly. And back to wireless, etc. Behavior is lost when I suspend or hibernate. Any suggestions? (It's not a BIOS issue.) ___ Fedora-laptop-list mailing list Fedora-laptop-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-laptop-list
Re: Unable to switch to wireless
Hi, Geoffrey. Did you update all your power manager related packages? Regards. 2009/5/30 Geoffrey Leach ge...@hughes.net ASUS Z84F, wireless built-in. Normally I connect to my Netgear router via ethernet. Nm-applet (Fedora 10) reports wireless connection. Problem: if I unplug the ethernet connection, the system does not switch to wireless. If I re-boot with the ethernet unplugged, wireless works fine, and if I re-plug the ethernet connection, it switches over correctly. And back to wireless, etc. Behavior is lost when I suspend or hibernate. Any suggestions? (It's not a BIOS issue.) ___ Fedora-laptop-list mailing list Fedora-laptop-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-laptop-list -- Joel Dávila (505)8816-9911 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Joe74 http://teoten.wordpress.com/ Is there something safer as /home/? I don't think so... Are you ok at C:\Documents and Settings\? --- ___ Fedora-laptop-list mailing list Fedora-laptop-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-laptop-list
Re: OT: Can Reformatting A Hard Drive To ext3 Destroy All the Data On It?
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 4:39 AM, Ambrogio fn050...@interfree.it wrote: Il giorno ven, 29/05/2009 alle 14.52 +1200, Clint Dilks ha scritto: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/youbettergetthisright bs=1M If you want to be really sure you need to do the command above several time or use software like http://www.dban.org/ /dev/zero is not the right device to use. Better is /dev/random or /dev/urandom But they are not speed See the mkfs.ext3 man page for: -c Check the device for bad blocks before creating the file system. If this option is specified twice, then a slower, read-write test is used instead of a fast read-only test. Once the device is formatted the paranoid can fill it with files containing random and other bit patterns (0xa5a5, 0x5a5a, 0x, 0x..). Solve the dev/random dev/urandom slow part by reusing a modest block of random bits over and over to build large and small files that fill the disk. Finish with lots of copies of your favorite Fedora.iso image file. The cautious should use vendor tools to reformat the disk... Special attention to the partition table should be given so 'spare' or 'hidden' partitions are dealt with. The very very paranoid should cut the drive into bits with a cutting torch since bad block spares or unused flash ram might contain sequestered bits that might get recovered. -- NiftyFedora T o m M i t c h e l l -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Fedoraproject wiki
Hi, The other day while trying to look for some information on the wiki, I got very disappointed with the way the information was organized. Specially the search doesn't seem to return very relevant results unless you know *exactly* what you are looking for. Somehow the heavy use of subpages in the fedora project wiki struck me as odd and inefficient. After some searching and reading I came to some conclusions. 1. The concept of subpages evolved from the need to order articles hierarchically.[1] However after the category system was introduced, this became redundant as organisation of information is in itself a non-linear idea and the use of categories is simply much more efficient in that regard. 2. The search function in mediawiki looks through the page names in specified namespaces. And through a combination of bugs and features a particular search might/might not be effective.[2] So could it be, that the search function could be made more effective if we stop using subpages in the 'Main:' namespace? Maybe we could follow some thing like wikipedia does, subpages are allowed only in the 'User:' namespace. Moreover since a wiki is after all a free-form source of information, wouldn't it be more logical to rely on the category system to organise the information rather than force some hierarchy by the use of subpages? Just a thought, what do you think? Is this a worthwhile thought? [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Subpages#History_of_subpages [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Searching -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Samba and Windows7 (a comment to an article)
On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 16:21 -0400, Ted Roche wrote: Microsoft's proprietary implementation of what they call the Common Internet File System although it is none of these, changes with every release. Sometimes I truly believe they are attempting to improve it. i.e. *Usually* you don't believe they're trying to improve it... ;-) I alternate between thinking they don't know what they're doing, and they're deliberately trying to be annoying. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.23-78.2.50.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedoraproject wiki
On 05/30/2009 12:02 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: So could it be, that the search function could be made more effective if we stop using subpages in the 'Main:' namespace? Maybe we could follow some thing like wikipedia does, subpages are allowed only in the 'User:' namespace. Moreover since a wiki is after all a free-form source of information, wouldn't it be more logical to rely on the category system to organise the information rather than force some hierarchy by the use of subpages? Just a thought, what do you think? Is this a worthwhile thought? Fedora used to use MoinMoin where categories were extremely slow and sub pages were the only way to do things. After the switch to MediaWiki, categories are the way to go but the conversion process is not over. Susan Lauber, Ian Weller and others are working on this conversion. You can see some notes at http://travelingtrainer.laubersolutions.com/search/label/planet_fedora and more discussions at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fedora-wiki IIRC, we have over 1 pages in the wiki and it is going to take sometime.. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Question about whehter xinetd is still used.
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 22:11 -0400, Steven W. Orr wrote: Is there a movement to get rid of xinetd? It's just that I remember that the trend used to be to move more server processes to be added to the inetd config. As I recall, the trend was to move away from it, with individual scripts per service rather than an all encompassing inetd. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.23-78.2.50.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: WSJ - Article on Linux netbooks
On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 17:04 -0300, Damián Rodríguez Sánchez wrote: that's because it's a lot more common for mac drivers to come available with the hardware you buy for your computer. have you ever seen a keyborad, video card, printer or whatever come with a linux driver in the accompanying cd? Yes. And oddly enough, it wasn't needed. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.23-78.2.50.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: WSJ - Article on Linux netbooks
On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 13:38 -0700, Craig White wrote: The only challenge is for netbook manufacturers to produce a usable system that they can sell without a bunch of returns. Geez. If a computer manufacturer isn't able to get enough details from the chipset manufacturer to create a working driver, for their own product, to go with any of several well supported distributions, then what hope has anybody else?! I see no excuse for a manufacturer releasing a computer that doesn't work, or work well. (Not that's stopped HP from releasing incredibly crappy Pavillion computers, in the past. But it's inexcusable.) -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.21-78.2.41.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: WSJ - Article on Linux netbooks
On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 12:50 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: Why stop at printers? I've long believed there should be a generic windows driver layer in linux that provides all the interfaces of windows drivers to the kernel so you could use any windows driver for linux :-). With all their bugs and other foibles... Seriously, printing on Windows can be an absolute nightmare. A plethora of ridiculous options, and really stupid behaviour. They seem to want you to pat your head, while rubbing your tummy, while hopping up and down on one leg, with your eyes shut. Any time my mum goes to print something on her PC, this huge control panel pops up with options that she'll never know what to do with. What I want is a standard interface between printer and computer (heck, why not ethernet), a standard protocol between them (IPP seems good), a standard language between then (why not Postscript), and actual intelligent printer design (say, why not, when I put A4 paper in the printer tray, the printer can see what size is in there, and tell the computer about it). Too bloody sensible, it'll never be done... -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.23-78.2.50.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: Can Reformatting A Hard Drive To ext3 Destroy All the Data On It?
On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 13:31 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: It makes no real difference - use the drives own secure erase feature if you want to be sure, otherwise you've got no guarantee that everything will be cleared - only the drive knows enough to do the job. But do you know what the drive does when you use that function? ;-\ -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.23-78.2.50.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: pulseaudio capability question
On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 17:07 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: Then, while it is at it, accept already encoded audio streams from a DVD I'm playing and bypass the ffmpeg layer for them. You want it to be a CODEC as well as a stream handler? Why not have it be a printer driver, as well? They're different things. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.23-78.2.50.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: flashgot and download helper
On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 03:44 +, Thufir wrote: I'm hesitant to kill totem. Is it involved in the download somehow? Totem is a the video player (movie player in the Gnome menu). If you're not watching video, then you can kill it. Your message sounds like a download started in the background (e.g. a page with embedded media), and kept on going, even though *you're* not looking at it. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.23-78.2.50.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...
On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 01:29 -0700, suvayu ali wrote: Most of the modern Intel HDA cards _are_ capable of mixing streams. I have owned one such card since 2007. Also most of the hi-end boards today support multiple streams. However I am not sure whether pulseaudio can stream two different streams to these sound cards and let it playback in two different devices. A very common situation would be something like a skype call on a headphone without interrupting music playback on external speakers. You could only do that if you have two *separate* *output* hardware circuits. Lots of cards only have one output system. They might give you separate volume controls for speakers or headphones, but both control the same thing (one output source), they just switch between which control to use depending on whether you've plugged a headphone, in or not. Which makes more sense than at first seems. e.g. My laptop has silly little speakers that always need full volume, my headphones work normally. It's handy to set the level for each appropriately, and not have to move the volume up and down between them, just because I've plugged a lead in. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.23-78.2.50.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: Can Reformatting A Hard Drive To ext3 Destroy All the Data On It?
Alan Cox wrote: Use security erase, that is why it is there. How do you access the security erase facility? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/OT%3A-Can-Reformatting-A-Hard-Drive-To-ext3-Destroy-All-the-Data-On-It--tp23773312p23791508.html Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: server error
On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 00:31 -0700, reemacra...@yahoo.com wrote: Have trouble in sending mails on outlook. we are using fedora 9 as mail server. on the outlook when we configure new email it gives the error The connection to the server couldnot be found mail.csindiasteel.co.in is now offline. Sounds like DNS issues. i.e. Whatever DNS service your computer using Outlook uses, it doesn't know anything about mail.csindiasteel.co.in. Another potential cause is a mixed up internal end external system. Such as having real public DNS, then trying to use it from with your LAN, with internal addresses, and the firewall blocking such things. NB: When posting a new thread, do it by creating a totally new message to the list. Don't reply to someone else's message. Replying to one and erasing the content isn't creating a new message, either. See the guidelines link link in the footer of all this list's messages. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.23-78.2.50.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...
2009/5/30 Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au: On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 01:29 -0700, suvayu ali wrote: Most of the modern Intel HDA cards _are_ capable of mixing streams. I have owned one such card since 2007. Also most of the hi-end boards today support multiple streams. However I am not sure whether pulseaudio can stream two different streams to these sound cards and let it playback in two different devices. A very common situation would be something like a skype call on a headphone without interrupting music playback on external speakers. You could only do that if you have two *separate* *output* hardware circuits. Lots of cards only have one output system. They might give you separate volume controls for speakers or headphones, but both control the same thing (one output source), they just switch between which control to use depending on whether you've plugged a headphone, in or not. Which makes more sense than at first seems. e.g. My laptop has silly little speakers that always need full volume, my headphones work normally. It's handy to set the level for each appropriately, and not have to move the volume up and down between them, just because I've plugged a lead in. I first used this on an Intel 975XBX2 workstation board I bought in 2007. It _is_ capable of multi-streaming, I could set up my drivers to present to the apps as two different output devices. So I had skype configured to use the front jacks and I used the rear jacks to stream to the line-in of my home entertainment system. So much so, I even had skype ring through the rear jacks so that I could hear even if I didn't have my headphones on but the call itself would use the headphones connected to the front jacks. And I never paused my music palyback during skype calls, I always turned it down rather than stop. (I'm kind of a music addict :) ) My current board is a Gigabyte board with a Realtek audio chipset with similar multi-streaming capabilities. However for some other (unrelated) unsolvable reasons, I have not done this setup yet. Both of these are integrated audio chips. To get this working all you need are proper drivers. Hardware is _not_ the bottleneck here. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:36 AM, suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.comfatkasuvayu%2bli...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/30 Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au: On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 01:29 -0700, suvayu ali wrote: Most of the modern Intel HDA cards _are_ capable of mixing streams. I have owned one such card since 2007. Also most of the hi-end boards today support multiple streams. However I am not sure whether pulseaudio can stream two different streams to these sound cards and let it playback in two different devices. A very common situation would be something like a skype call on a headphone without interrupting music playback on external speakers. You could only do that if you have two *separate* *output* hardware circuits. Lots of cards only have one output system. They might give you separate volume controls for speakers or headphones, but both control the same thing (one output source), they just switch between which control to use depending on whether you've plugged a headphone, in or not. Which makes more sense than at first seems. e.g. My laptop has silly little speakers that always need full volume, my headphones work normally. It's handy to set the level for each appropriately, and not have to move the volume up and down between them, just because I've plugged a lead in. I first used this on an Intel 975XBX2 workstation board I bought in 2007. It _is_ capable of multi-streaming, I could set up my drivers to present to the apps as two different output devices. So I had skype configured to use the front jacks and I used the rear jacks to stream to the line-in of my home entertainment system. How did you do that? I am using the same card right now and I did not know it was able of doing that. I know it has three different circuits for input, but you are saying it can do the same for output... -- Paulo Roma Cavalcanti LCG - UFRJ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 /boot and ext4 No can do, Grub does not support /Ext4
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Leslie Satenstein wrote: Eric, it should go into the documentation for F11. It is already in the release notes and Ext4 FAQ. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can't get updates
On Saturday 30 May 2009 01:15:37 Robert McBroom (TNWestTex) wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: I'm having great problem after upgrading F9 to F10 (using an install dvd). I get huge numbers of updates downloaded, but then it fails. Are the downloaded updates still on your system? /var/cache/yum/updates/packages Sometimes it helps to use yumex or kyum to do the upgrades in smaller blocks than everything. It was a long hard slog, but yumex managed to get most of the packages installed. The few that were left failed because I couldn't get the key for rpmfusion non-free updates. I even tried running the installer, but it told me that it had failed to install the key. In the end I installed the packages with --nogpgcheck - obviously not a good solution. Another variation on updates repo. [updates] name=Fedora $releasever - $basearch - Updates failovermethod=priority mirrorlist=http://presto-mirrors.anmar.eu.org/mirrorlist?repo=updates-relea sed-f$releaseverarch=$basearch enabled=1 gpgcheck=1 gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora I've managed to pull updates from the direct address of one of the mirrors, so this isn't urgent. What's worse is that I still can't get to the normal fedora repo. Can you give me an equivalent version for that? If I'm right, though, and it's $releasever that isn't being passed, it will still fail. There must be some way to test what it believes $releasever to be? How do you print the contents of a variable like that? Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: Can Reformatting A Hard Drive To ext3 Destroy All the Data On It?
On 05/30/2009 04:49 AM, Mike Cloaked wrote: Alan Cox wrote: Use security erase, that is why it is there. How do you access the security erase facility? From `man hdparm`: --security-erase PWD Erase (locked) drive, using password PWD (DANGEROUS). Password is given as an ASCII string and is padded with NULs to reach 32 bytes. The applicable drive password is selected with the --user-master switch. No other flags are permitted on the command line with this one. THIS FEA- TURE IS EXPERIMENTAL AND NOT WELL TESTED. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. --security-erase-enhanced PWD Enhanced erase (locked) drive, using password PWD (DANGEROUS). Password is given as an ASCII string and is padded with NULs to reach 32 bytes. The applicable drive password is selected with the --user-master switch. No other flags are permitted on the command line with this one. THIS FEATURE IS EXPERIMENTAL AND NOT WELL TESTED. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. I think that is what Alan means. You can google on 'security erase' to look for the procedure for doing it. The drive itself has to be capable of this kind of erasure. Bob -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: Pushing back Time
On Fri, 29 May 2009 23:12:39 -0400 David dgbo...@comcast.net wrote: On 5/29/2009 8:08 PM, Chris wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2009 19:58:37 -0400 David dgbo...@comcast.net wrote: On 5/29/2009 7:45 PM, Chris wrote: Greetings, Every few days to a week I check the project site for the release of 11. It cracks me up to see the days just seem to be counting in the wrong direction. For example, a few days ago it said 7 days. Tonight, we're at 11. Might I suggest the tag line say something like: It will be release when it's released. If you had any idea of what is happening behind the screens. If you had any idea of what the developers are doing. Working on. Fixing. trying to make this a good, no great, release, you would troll your way out of here. Bye troll. *shrug* Gee... You mean that you want them to release a 'maybe bad - don't work for a lot of users' release' just so you can have the 'latest and the greatest'? *WOW!!!* Which just might not, maybe, wont work for you and many others?? Or would you prefer, what most of us would prefer, that they present a release that at least works for most? And has promise to work for those that it does not with a tweak or two?? Crawl back under the bridge Troll. Not a troll? Really Then shut the hell up about schedules that slide for the better of the the masses. Here's an idea! You want Fedora 11 *RIGHT NOW*? Download the last RC. Install it. And then update it. *PING*! You got it! Then? The bridge is that way. You sure do seem to talk a lot about nothing. I simply commented on the days slipping by and you go off on a rant that not needed and paints you in a way that ... well... *shrug* -- Best regards, Chris () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments There's no place like 127.0.0.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: WSJ - Article on Linux netbooks
On Saturday 30 May 2009 09:45:41 Tim wrote: On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 12:50 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: Why stop at printers? I've long believed there should be a generic windows driver layer in linux that provides all the interfaces of windows drivers to the kernel so you could use any windows driver for linux :-). With all their bugs and other foibles... Seriously, printing on Windows can be an absolute nightmare. A plethora of ridiculous options, and really stupid behaviour. They seem to want you to pat your head, while rubbing your tummy, while hopping up and down on one leg, with your eyes shut. Any time my mum goes to print something on her PC, this huge control panel pops up with options that she'll never know what to do with. What I want is a standard interface between printer and computer (heck, why not ethernet), a standard protocol between them (IPP seems good), a standard language between then (why not Postscript), and actual intelligent printer design (say, why not, when I put A4 paper in the printer tray, the printer can see what size is in there, and tell the computer about it). Too bloody sensible, it'll never be done... I've long been a fan of HP printers, but I bought one model for my daughter that had the capability of using profiles. It insisted on profiles being set up. She couldn't use it. I set up a couple of profiles for her, but she never got the hang of it. She threw the printer away and got another (to say that I was somewhat annoyed is an understatement). Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: Pushing back Time
On Sat, 30 May 2009 02:26:24 -0200 Armin Moradi amor...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 1:12 AM, David dgbo...@comcast.net wrote: On 5/29/2009 8:08 PM, Chris wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2009 19:58:37 -0400 David dgbo...@comcast.net wrote: On 5/29/2009 7:45 PM, Chris wrote: Greetings, Every few days to a week I check the project site for the release of 11. It cracks me up to see the days just seem to be counting in the wrong direction. For example, a few days ago it said 7 days. Tonight, we're at 11. Might I suggest the tag line say something like: It will be release when it's released. If you had any idea of what is happening behind the screens. If you had any idea of what the developers are doing. Working on. Fixing. trying to make this a good, no great, release, you would troll your way out of here. Bye troll. *shrug* Gee... You mean that you want them to release a 'maybe bad - don't work for a lot of users' release' just so you can have the 'latest and the greatest'? *WOW!!!* Which just might not, maybe, wont work for you and many others?? Or would you prefer, what most of us would prefer, that they present a release that at least works for most? And has promise to work for those that it does not with a tweak or two?? Crawl back under the bridge Troll. Not a troll? Really Then shut the hell up about schedules that slide for the better of the the masses. Here's an idea! You want Fedora 11 *RIGHT NOW*? Download the last RC. Install it. And then update it. *PING*! You got it! Then? The bridge is that way. -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines If you want it that bad, why don't you want you go on Preview? It's there, ready for you to be used. Never said I wanted it. Simply commenting on the time slipping away. Y'all (Ok, not all, but some) are reading waaay (and yes, the multiple a's are intentional) too much into this. -- Best regards, Chris () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments There's no place like 127.0.0.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: Pushing back Time
Please be Polite to one another on the list. Frank -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: Pushing back Time
On Sat, 30 May 2009 14:03:01 +0100 Frank Murphy (Frankly3d) frankl...@gmail.com wrote: Please be Polite to one another on the list. Frank I thought I was. However, it's a sad commentary when a comment on time slippage is greeted with pontificated self-righteous gobblety-goop then punctuate with insults. -- Best regards, Chris () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments There's no place like 127.0.0.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: Pushing back Time
Chris wrote: Greetings, snip For example, a few days ago it said 7 days. Tonight, we're at 11. Might I suggest the tag line say something like: This is what pushed it back. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-May/msg00011.html Frank -- msn: frankly3d skype: frankly3d Mailing-List Reply to: Mailing-List Still Learning, Unicode where possible -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: Pushing back Time
On Sat, 30 May 2009 14:36:41 +0100 Frank Murphy (Frankly3d) frankl...@gmail.com wrote: Chris wrote: Greetings, snip For example, a few days ago it said 7 days. Tonight, we're at 11. Might I suggest the tag line say something like: This is what pushed it back. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-May/msg00011.html Frank Thanks Frank. As you have included the original lines of my posting I'll expand on the comment of using something like It's released when it's released. If any of you (like myself) use(d) multiple OS's (mainly the BSD line) in recent years, you'll remember that release cycles most often can be met. Some of these OS's (or more precisely Unix-Like OS's) have had issues (as Fedora is now) with release dates. It's been my experience that some of these OS's have taken the approach that I have mentioned. Granted, that in itself it comes across as pompous yet it does not pigeon-hole any one distro (used here for Linux) to a set date. I started with Fedora 7 (after my initial introduction to Linux via Ubuntu from being nothing but a BSD munkie). And as many Fedorians do, went into F8 and loved it. That love affair ended with the install of F9. To me (No flames intended and only MY experience) F9 was a disaster. Every time an update came out (and IIRC - that happened often for the first 2 months) it broke my system. At this time I was a fully converted Linux nut and Fedora was installed on every box and lappy I had. The terrible experience I had with F9 reminded me of the days when MS seemingly pushed out a bad service pack that appeared to be odd number related (some of you here may indeed remember those days). To tie this all up neatly - while I have since moved on to a distro where the release cycle isn't nearly as aggressive as Fedora, I still do care and keep an eye on the list. While I do use (and love) Cent for our servers, I can't commit to it for my desktop. I do look forward to 11 though. It may not be enough to move me back just yet - but I can still hope. ... now maybe I don't appear so Troll-like (granted, I do have hair on my toes). -- Best regards, Chris () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments There's no place like 127.0.0.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: help: fedora installation to USB external hard disk
Sumit Agrawal wrote: I am new for Fedora. I was trying to install Fedora 10 core to my external USB 40GB harddisk using bootable Fedora 10 core DVD. I have unplugged all internal hard disk for any risk. But while installation it was not detecting USB hard disk. Can anybody help me regarding this issue. Regards, Sumit Are you doing a normal or an expert install? The normal install does not show the USB drives. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: EeePC - Fedora or Ubuntu?
Ralf Corsepius wrote: The OP asked about EeePC - Fedora or Ubuntu. My answer to this question would be: If you simply want to use your netbook, you're likely better off using the OS the HW vendor supplies. In my (fairly limited) experience, Xandros is not a good distribution. It does not seem to have a working repository system, so installing software (or upgrading) is not a simple process. I actually started by installing eeebuntu , as I was attracted by the idea that it was specifically tailored for the EeePC. But I was slightly disappointed by this, perhaps because I am not very familiar with Ubuntu. In any case, I decided to try Fedora-10, and found that much more to my liking. It actually worked better on my EeePC-4G, eg WiFi (to my surprise) worked out of the box, while eeebuntu seemed to require madwifi . The one thing I learned from eeebuntu was that Unetbootin is much better than livecd-iso-to-disk , which for some reason did not work on my USB stick. Also (very specific to the EeePC), ignore advice to go into the BIOS; just press Esc when re-booting and you will be asked which device you want to boot from. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Viewing .jpg Pictures in Thunderbird
FC 10/ KDE I have one person that sends me .jpg pictures in a Email and thunderbird can not display them , when I try to Open them I can only Save them to my Picture folder to view them. That person uses WindowsXP. I recieve .jpg pictures from every one else and I can view them in Thunderbird. What could it be ?? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Viewing .jpg Pictures in Thunderbird
Jim wrote: I have one person that sends me .jpg pictures in a Email and thunderbird can not display them , when I try to Open them I can only Save them to my Picture folder to view them. That person uses WindowsXP. I recieve .jpg pictures from every one else and I can view them in Thunderbird. What could it be ?? The MIME type declared in the e-mail is incorrect. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Blocking an IP for one user
Hi, My son is getting to that funny age whereby I need to keep certain sites away from him. Is there any way that I can block an IP address or certain keywords from his user settings so that it doesn't matter which browser he uses, he can't access them? For example, I want to block the BBC websites wholesale or anything with the words Microsoft, MSN or Hotmail in the URL - you get the idea - but also an IP range such as 172.168.*.* TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can't get updates
On Saturday 30 May 2009 13:39:16 Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 30 May 2009 01:15:37 Robert McBroom (TNWestTex) wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: I'm having great problem after upgrading F9 to F10 (using an install dvd). I get huge numbers of updates downloaded, but then it fails. Are the downloaded updates still on your system? /var/cache/yum/updates/packages Sometimes it helps to use yumex or kyum to do the upgrades in smaller blocks than everything. It was a long hard slog, but yumex managed to get most of the packages installed. The few that were left failed because I couldn't get the key for rpmfusion non-free updates. I even tried running the installer, but it told me that it had failed to install the key. In the end I installed the packages with --nogpgcheck - obviously not a good solution. Another variation on updates repo. [updates] name=Fedora $releasever - $basearch - Updates failovermethod=priority mirrorlist=http://presto-mirrors.anmar.eu.org/mirrorlist?repo=updates-rel ea sed-f$releaseverarch=$basearch enabled=1 gpgcheck=1 gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora I've managed to pull updates from the direct address of one of the mirrors, so this isn't urgent. What's worse is that I still can't get to the normal fedora repo. Can you give me an equivalent version for that? If I'm right, though, and it's $releasever that isn't being passed, it will still fail. There must be some way to test what it believes $releasever to be? How do you print the contents of a variable like that? No longer necessary - after the updates were installed I wanted to check something which required a reboot. After the reboot the fedora repos all work! Something obviously is fixed. Oh yes, and by the way, my keyboard is now fixed as well - all the navigation keys now work. In fact the only thing left not working is the gpg-key for rpmfusion-nonfree-updates. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: Pushing back Time
On Sat, 30 May 2009 14:36:41 +0100, Frank Murphy (Frankly3d) wrote: This is what pushed it back. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-May/ msg00011.html I'm not sure whether it's the same bug, even after reading that. But I know there's at least one that hits installing pretty hard. Basically, you have to slip through the partitioning without touching a thing. That may be acceptable on expendable machines -- I've done it on a couple of seldom-booted laptops -- but I wouldn't want to try on an important machine till I hear it's fixed. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
problem with my laptop
hi!, before, my english is not very well, i'm sorry. i have a problem with my laptop (sony vaio vgn-nr330fe), when I execute many process, fails gnome and kde, and them does nothing when i try do click in anywhere place. I try find the error, but, I nothing found I am mindful of your comments best regards -- ·´¯`·.¸¸..º.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸º·´¯`·.¸¸..º Nebur Álvarez Bermúdez Ingeniero en Informática Red Hat Certified Technician 605008355819987 Oficina: 205283 - Móvil: 81579915 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Blocking an IP for one user
On Sat, 30 May 2009 17:53:19 +0100 Paul wrote: My son is getting to that funny age whereby I need to keep certain sites away from him. You would probably be better off talking to him, and putting the computer in the living room or something instead of his bedroom. Both of those are better solutions than a purely technical approach. No matter how many sites you block, there is always one more Is there any way that I can block an IP address or certain keywords from his user settings so that it doesn't matter which browser he uses, he can't access them? http://www.squidguard.org/ -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: Can Reformatting A Hard Drive To ext3 Destroy All the Data On It?
On Fri, 29 May 2009 16:57:09 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Rick Stevens wrote: I generally take the drives out to the desert and use /sbin/detonate. As Jamie Hyneman once said on Mythbusters... When in doubtC4! Can I come with the next time you take one out? They will not let me play with C4 any more. :( Well, I'm not supposed to either, but it's only illegal if you get caught! I have it on excellent authority that a .45 acp won't make a hole clear through a hard drive, but that a .30-06 will. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Blocking an IP for one user
Paul wrote: Hi, My son is getting to that funny age whereby I need to keep certain sites away from him. Is there any way that I can block an IP address or certain keywords from his user settings so that it doesn't matter which browser he uses, he can't access them? I use Dansguardian and Tinyproxy for this. Works like a charm. All you do is set it up and then configure your sons' browser to use the proxy server. I have a 14 year old and it works perfectly for her. Hope that helps. jack -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Viewing .jpg Pictures in Thunderbird
On 05/30/2009 12:50 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jim wrote: I have one person that sends me .jpg pictures in a Email and thunderbird can not display them , when I try to Open them I can only Save them to my Picture folder to view them. That person uses WindowsXP. I recieve .jpg pictures from every one else and I can view them in Thunderbird. What could it be ?? The MIME type declared in the e-mail is incorrect. Kevin Kofler So what your saying is that the Mime type setting in her Outlook is wrong ? How would she change that in Outlook ? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Blocking an IP for one user
For example, I want to block the BBC websites wholesale or anything with the words Microsoft, MSN or Hotmail in the URL - you get the idea - but also an IP range such as 172.168.*.* squidguard can sort of do it but there is so much iffy content on the net that you will need good block lists updated regularly. The other option is to use an ISP has aggressive filtering services available. Several UK ISPs do this as an add on or opt in service - especially those aimed at educational markets. They do tend to backfire spectacularly on a regular basis of course. You could also just log (or tell them you do anyway) all web page visits but if they hit something bad by mistake thats ok and to tell you... I worked on a box that did filtering about twelve years ago and even then the blocklists (purely for porn) were heading for 10,000 entries and very incomplete. Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: problem with my laptop
On Sat, 30 May 2009 13:10:50 -0400 Nebur Álvarez B. wrote: i have a problem with my laptop (sony vaio vgn-nr330fe), when I execute many process, fails gnome and kde, and them does nothing when i try do click in anywhere place. I try find the error, but, I nothing found Run memtest86 on it and see what happens. memtest86 is included on the Fedora install disks. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Blocking an IP for one user
Paul wrote: Hi, My son is getting to that funny age whereby I need to keep certain sites away from him. Don't Wouldn't you rather be able to talk to him about *taboo* subjects. Rather than have him go a a friend house\Cafe and do it without a parents guidance. Frank PS: 7 children, and just 45 :) PPS: same mother to above :D -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Blocking an IP for one user
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 One fairly easy thing to do is to create an account at OpenDNS.com then set you DNS settings to use OpenDNS. You can then block sites by IP or by classification. On 05/30/2009 11:53 AM, Paul wrote: Hi, My son is getting to that funny age whereby I need to keep certain sites away from him. Is there any way that I can block an IP address or certain keywords from his user settings so that it doesn't matter which browser he uses, he can't access them? For example, I want to block the BBC websites wholesale or anything with the words Microsoft, MSN or Hotmail in the URL - you get the idea - but also an IP range such as 172.168.*.* TTFN Paul - -- Steve -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkohddoACgkQeERILVgMyvD4RACfdB5hGQczOXutSxkjGPG8u0Qc v3IAnRtXjvoOsF0sxYi35ADBoU1HE97d =C3iu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: Pushing back Time
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 07:53:46 -0500, Chris rac...@makeworld.com wrote: You sure do seem to talk a lot about nothing. I simply commented on the days slipping by and you go off on a rant that not needed and paints you in a way that ... well... And I think it was a legitimate complaint. Hopefully people will look at what happened and try to see if there are reasonable ways the slippage could have been avoided through better process. Presumably this will come up at the recently announced Fedora Activity day that will occur in just over a week. The slippage may have been necessary at the time the decisions were made to slip, but that doesn't mean it was a good thing to have happen. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)
2009/5/30 Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@verizon.net: Why can't all of this audio crap have a 'service audio restart'? function? Probably because there isn't a system-wide audio service. The pulseaudio server usually runs in the user's desktop session. -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: help: fedora installation to USB external hard disk
I was selected custom layout also. Still not showing USB hard disk. Regards, Sumit On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertson mik...@infinity-ltd.com wrote: Sumit Agrawal wrote: I am new for Fedora. I was trying to install Fedora 10 core to my external USB 40GB harddisk using bootable Fedora 10 core DVD. I have unplugged all internal hard disk for any risk. But while installation it was not detecting USB hard disk. Can anybody help me regarding this issue. Regards, Sumit Are you doing a normal or an expert install? The normal install does not show the USB drives. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Netbooks (was: EeePC - Fedora or Ubuntu?)
Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de writes: The OP asked about EeePC - Fedora or Ubuntu. My answer to this question would be: If you simply want to use your netbook, you're likely better off using the OS the HW vendor supplies. Some netbooks seem to be better than others. I have a Acer Aspire One here that works fine under F11. The wifi works fine as does NetworkManager once one gets around the bug that many of the config screens have the bottoms cut off and one needs to use and larger external LCD to setup the thing. This machine isn't for me. I simply can't use those small keyboards. Gimme 19mm key spacing or some environment where I never have to use the keyboard. -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht Android 1.5 (Cupcake) and Fedora-11 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: EeePC - Fedora or Ubuntu?
Beartooth wrote: In any case, I decided to try Fedora-10, and found that much more to my liking. It actually worked better on my EeePC-4G, eg WiFi (to my surprise) worked out of the box, while eeebuntu seemed to require madwifi . I have the 701, one of the earliest smallest slowest, and have been trying one distro after another. I did not get the good result with F10 that others did -- some error of mine, no doubt, but I don't know what. My EeePC is also a 701. As far as I can see, Fedora-10 runs exactly the same on this machine as on my other laptops. Is your objection to Fedora-10 itself? (In which case you might like Eeebuntu.) Or is there some problem with running Fedora-10 on this machine? If I had my time again I would probably use ext2 rather than ext3 as I have seen some warnings against ext3 on SSDs. I don't know if it is possible to downgrade an existing system? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kernel update broke my system.
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 13:27:50 -0500, Smith, Herb herb.sm...@boeing.com wrote: Can't boot into anything when all you get is the GRUB_ prompt. Wrote to the help me list to figure out what to do to get my system back. Once I get it back I'll be able to try a lot of different things. From the respones of some, it seems that it's an issue with GRUB, but it's unclear that there is an underlying kernel issue or not. It would seem that the kernel might be ok, but just that GRUB got hosed in the update process. If you get the grub prompt, then you can issue a configfile command to tell it where the config file is located. Typically it will be something like: configfile (hd0,0)/grub/grub.conf This assumes /boot is a separate (and first) partition of the first disk. Once you have booted, you can fix this by running grub as root and then using the following commands: root (hd0,0) setup (hd0) And if you are using raid 1 and you want the second disk to be usable if the first has been pulled, you can addition run: setup (hd1) (In the raid case there is supposed to be a way to tell grub to use the current disk instead of a specific disk, but I don't think Fedora does that by default, and the above is easier to remember and works well enough for me.) At the grub prompt you can run help and there is tab completion for commands. This helps prompt your memory when you aren't expecting to use it ahead of time. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Viewing .jpg Pictures in Thunderbird
On 05/30/2009 01:54 PM, g wrote: Jim wrote: I have one person that sends me .jpg pictures in a Email and thunderbird can not display them , when I try to Open them I can only Save them to my Picture folder to view them. That person uses WindowsXP. I recieve .jpg pictures from every one else and I can view them in Thunderbird. have a look at; https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/2307 which may handle problem. main problem is as kevin is telling you, if mime type is written wrong in email, thunderbird will have problem knowing what to do with attachment. usectrl+u to look at full email. you should have below message body something similar to; | --090209040005060100010505 | Content-Type: image/jpeg; |name=tbird app local folders.JPG | Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 | Content-Disposition: inline; |filename=tbird app local folders.JPG this is how thunderbird knows that attachment is a jpeg file. being that sender is using ms xp, there is your major problem. ms does not comply with email rfc. if sender does not has file with a '.jpg' extension, ask them to try sending with extension name. I think this may explain it here. Every picture shows this Content-Type Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=ATT00049.gif Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID:00bc01c9e13f$7f193f00$7221d...@lynn Thanks guy for your help I learn something new today. I could say in about 50 years I would know everything there was about Linux, to know it all. NOT!!! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: Can Reformatting A Hard Drive To ext3 Destroy All the Data On It?
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 18:16:00 +0930, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 13:31 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: It makes no real difference - use the drives own secure erase feature if you want to be sure, otherwise you've got no guarantee that everything will be cleared - only the drive knows enough to do the job. But do you know what the drive does when you use that function? ;-\ Reading the drive back in should give you a good idea. If that isn't enough of a check for you then you should just be destroying the drive. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...
Paulo Cavalcanti wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:36 AM, suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.comfatkasuvayu%2bli...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/30 Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au: On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 01:29 -0700, suvayu ali wrote: Most of the modern Intel HDA cards _are_ capable of mixing streams. I have owned one such card since 2007. Also most of the hi-end boards today support multiple streams. However I am not sure whether pulseaudio can stream two different streams to these sound cards and let it playback in two different devices. A very common situation would be something like a skype call on a headphone without interrupting music playback on external speakers. You could only do that if you have two *separate* *output* hardware circuits. Lots of cards only have one output system. They might give you separate volume controls for speakers or headphones, but both control the same thing (one output source), they just switch between which control to use depending on whether you've plugged a headphone, in or not. Which makes more sense than at first seems. e.g. My laptop has silly little speakers that always need full volume, my headphones work normally. It's handy to set the level for each appropriately, and not have to move the volume up and down between them, just because I've plugged a lead in. I first used this on an Intel 975XBX2 workstation board I bought in 2007. It _is_ capable of multi-streaming, I could set up my drivers to present to the apps as two different output devices. So I had skype configured to use the front jacks and I used the rear jacks to stream to the line-in of my home entertainment system. How did you do that? I am using the same card right now and I did not know it was able of doing that. I know it has three different circuits for input, but you are saying it can do the same for output... At that time I was just starting out with linux. I was running XP 32 bit , 64 bit and F8 on the same machine. I was able to configure it like that for XP 32 bit after exchange of a weeks worth of emails with Intel customer support. It was a matter of installing the _right_ drivers for the card. As far as I recall I didn't have that working on F8 though. Back then skype used the old OSS implementation, when skype was running it would hold the audio device and not even media players could use the device let alone multi-streaming. Since my use of multi-streaming was kinda skype centric and being a newbie who was unaware of the concept of mailing lists or user forums didn't have a lot to go with. Trying to repeat that on my current system would be great though. :) -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedoraproject wiki
Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 05/30/2009 12:02 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: So could it be, that the search function could be made more effective if we stop using subpages in the 'Main:' namespace? Maybe we could follow some thing like wikipedia does, subpages are allowed only in the 'User:' namespace. Moreover since a wiki is after all a free-form source of information, wouldn't it be more logical to rely on the category system to organise the information rather than force some hierarchy by the use of subpages? Just a thought, what do you think? Is this a worthwhile thought? Fedora used to use MoinMoin where categories were extremely slow and sub pages were the only way to do things. After the switch to MediaWiki, categories are the way to go but the conversion process is not over. Susan Lauber, Ian Weller and others are working on this conversion. You can see some notes at http://travelingtrainer.laubersolutions.com/search/label/planet_fedora and more discussions at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fedora-wiki IIRC, we have over 1 pages in the wiki and it is going to take sometime.. Thank you Rahul for the reply. I am really happy that this is being worked upon. cheers, -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: Pushing back Time
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 09:06:51 -0500, Chris rac...@makeworld.com wrote: While I do use (and love) Cent for our servers, I can't commit to it for my desktop. I do look forward to 11 though. It may not be enough to move me back just yet - but I can still hope. My feeling is that F12 is likely to be a nice release, but F11 is likely to need to grow. I have had a lot of frustrating issues come up during rawhide and while things are mostly in a reasonable state now, I expect people to be finding some rough spots yet. In particular video / X stuff has been in a lot of flux. I expect that between now and the F12 release things will improve a lot, especially for systems using Intel and ATI video hardware. I'd like to be able to recommend using Fedora + RPMFusion + Livna to my neighbor, but I suggested Ubuntu (which he likes) a few weeks ago, because I thought it would be better (less likely to be frustrating) for a new linux user. This is someone who I think might want to be a participant, not just end user. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kernel update broke my system.
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 09:42:37 -0500, Smith, Herb herb.sm...@boeing.com wrote: That may be true, but the Updater is doing that job, and it nuked my system too. How often does that happen? This is the first time I've seen it since I've been using RH8 up to now, but it does give me pause. I have had grub get messed up several times during the F11 rawhide period. I still get the grub prompt though and know where the configfile is in grubspeak. So it's easy for me to fix. I haven't figured out what is causing it to do this. My suspects are using software raid, using livecd-creator, grub updates, kernel updates. I haven't seen strong correlation to any of these though. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Viewing .jpg Pictures in Thunderbird
Jim wrote: I think this may explain it here. Every picture shows this Content-Type Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=ATT00049.gif Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID:00bc01c9e13f$7f193f00$7221d...@lynn that will squirrel the bird. something you could 'try for the fun of it'. cerate a new subfolder and *copy* email to it. close thunderbird and then with a _plain_text_ editor, vi, kwrite, etc, open email and change 'application/octet-stream' to 'image/jpeg'. delete '.msf' file associated to subfolder and delete 'panacea.dat' in your profile directory, '/home/jim/.thunderbird/.default/'. reopen thunderbird and it will rescan your folders. then open email and click attachment to see if it will open as a '.jpg' file. i have done a lot of things to modify thunderbird emails, but never tried above. it may work. it may not. if not, it is problem with 'octet-stream' coding attachment differently from what an 'image/jpeg' would be. Thanks guy for your help I learn something new today. you are very welcome. 'live and learn. die and forget'. may you live long to forget plenty. :) I could say in about 50 years I would know everything there was about Linux, to know it all. my first round with linux was when red hat was on floppies and latter a permanent install from cd. i am still learning and enjoying. :) NOT!!! perseverance. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: One (more) week slip of Fedora 11 Release
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 18:07:12 +0300, Axel Thimm axel.th...@atrpms.net wrote: Maybe that's even a reason to pull them in now. After all these 600+ packages will be on every F11 system from the first day, so if there is a problem, we better stumble over it now. I am testing rawhides + updates + updates-testing actively on two machines (and have it running on two more I am not using very actively). I have been seeing downgrades of packages happening (thanks to Seth for the yum downgrade feature to make fixing this easy), so I am guessing that other people are also doing this and have been reporting problems to Bohdi, resulting in several packages getting yanked from updates-testing. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: problem with my laptop
On Saturday 30 May 2009 18:31:55 Frank Cox wrote: On Sat, 30 May 2009 13:10:50 -0400 Nebur Álvarez B. wrote: i have a problem with my laptop (sony vaio vgn-nr330fe), when I execute many process, fails gnome and kde, and them does nothing when i try do click in anywhere place. I try find the error, but, I nothing found Run memtest86 on it and see what happens. memtest86 is included on the Fedora install disks. And do make sure that you have applied all updates. Many such problems have been solved by updates. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: EeePC - Fedora or Ubuntu?
On Saturday 30 May 2009 19:35:20 Timothy Murphy wrote: Beartooth wrote: In any case, I decided to try Fedora-10, and found that much more to my liking. It actually worked better on my EeePC-4G, eg WiFi (to my surprise) worked out of the box, while eeebuntu seemed to require madwifi . I have the 701, one of the earliest smallest slowest, and have been trying one distro after another. I did not get the good result with F10 that others did -- some error of mine, no doubt, but I don't know what. My EeePC is also a 701. As far as I can see, Fedora-10 runs exactly the same on this machine as on my other laptops. Is your objection to Fedora-10 itself? (In which case you might like Eeebuntu.) Or is there some problem with running Fedora-10 on this machine? If I had my time again I would probably use ext2 rather than ext3 as I have seen some warnings against ext3 on SSDs. I don't know if it is possible to downgrade an existing system? Worth googling for. Since ext3 is ext2+journal it should be simple enough. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
with atl1e driver: Corrupted MAC on input
I believe I have detected a significant problem with the atl1e driver for the Attansic Technology Corp. Atheros AR8121/AR8113/AR8114 PCI-E Ethernet Controller (rev b0) when running Fedora 11 preview with the latest updates. This controller is integrated on the ASUS M4A78 PRO motherboard. Although my problem occurred when I was running scp, I believe that the problem could also occur with other forms of data transfer and only show up as corrupted data (files). Thus, I thought this email appropriate to warn other users. My current solution is to install another NIC. This problem has been reported: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=503288 http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13404 This is no show stopper but may be of concern to other users. I am posting a separate copies of this email to the test and user mailing lists. Gene -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: WSJ - Article on Linux netbooks
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 13:55:53 +0100, Anne Wilson an...@kde.org wrote: I've long been a fan of HP printers, but I bought one model for my daughter that had the capability of using profiles. It insisted on profiles being set up. She couldn't use it. I set up a couple of profiles for her, but she never got the hang of it. She threw the printer away and got another (to say that I was somewhat annoyed is an understatement). With the way modern printers and ink are priced, it might not have been a bad decision. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
booting from USB on old machine without USB boot support
I'm playing around with F11 pre-release, and wanted to install from the DVD on an old PII I have here. trouble is I don't have a spare (working) DVD drive, but I do have a USB DVD drive. This machine is old enough it won't boot from the USB DVD, so I was wondering if there is a way to make a bootable CD from the DVD, and use that bootable CD as we used to use boot floppies, back in the day, to boot the system far enough to allow access to the DVD and to then run the installation from the DVD. Anybody know? -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - The Lord detests the way of the wicked but he loves those who pursue righteousness. - Proverbs 15:9 (niv) - pgpaHdvQd2Vfl.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Viewing .jpg Pictures in Thunderbird
On Sat, 2009-05-30 at 14:45 -0400, Jim wrote: I think this may explain it here. Every picture shows this Content-Type Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=ATT00049.gif Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID:00bc01c9e13f$7f193f00$7221d...@lynn Didn't you say it was a JPEG file? Those headers are for an undifferentiated binary file whose name implies it's a GIF, which isn't the same thing. Thanks guy for your help I learn something new today. I could say in about 50 years I would know everything there was about Linux, to know it all. Your problem has nothing to do with Linux. The sender's email configuration (or host platform) is broken. They may not think it's broken if their Windows-using friends can see the images in messages, but it's still broken. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: booting from USB on old machine without USB boot support
On Sat, 2009-05-30 at 16:48 -0400, fred smith wrote: I'm playing around with F11 pre-release, and wanted to install from the DVD on an old PII I have here. trouble is I don't have a spare (working) DVD drive, but I do have a USB DVD drive. This machine is old enough it won't boot from the USB DVD, so I was wondering if there is a way to make a bootable CD from the DVD, and use that bootable CD as we used to use boot floppies, back in the day, to boot the system far enough to allow access to the DVD and to then run the installation from the DVD. Anybody know? You could just install from a Live CD (I presume the machine has a CD drive). Once that's up, you should be able to install extra stuff from the DVD via the USB drive. In fact it's not hard to just configure the drive as a local repo so yum will consult it when updating (or just copy the DVD contents to your hard disk and do it from there if you have the space). poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Speech to Text
Fellow Users, Can anyone point me in the direction of some opensource speech to text software for the fedora system -- Greg Ennis -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Speech to Text
On Sat, 30 May 2009 17:26:13 -0500 Gregory P. Ennis wrote: Can anyone point me in the direction of some opensource speech to text software for the fedora system I can pretty much guarantee that anything you find will be a disappointment to you. Good text-to-speech is currently a largely unsolved problem. Existing software requires extensive training and is still not particularly accurate. In most cases it's more efficient to listen to dictation and type the text yourself. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Speech to Text
On Sat, 2009-05-30 at 16:38 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: On Sat, 30 May 2009 17:26:13 -0500 Gregory P. Ennis wrote: Can anyone point me in the direction of some opensource speech to text software for the fedora system I can pretty much guarantee that anything you find will be a disappointment to you. Good text-to-speech is currently a largely unsolved problem. Existing software requires extensive training and is still not particularly accurate. In most cases it's more efficient to listen to dictation and type the text yourself. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com Frank, Thanks for the response. Your note is appropriate with what I am finding. Do you know if there is a project working on speech to text. I would like to monitor there work and help if I can. Greg -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Request rawstudio 1.2...
Its been out since April 10th. It appears to be pretty stable. May we have it in F10 stable ? Thanks -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
multi-media packages/gcc/latest CPU optimizations
Hi, I'd like to understand how some of the multi-media packages are compiled for distros to make maximum effective use of the latest CPU features (SSE4,multi-core,large L2/L3 caches etc) I understand pkgs are compiled assuming i386 (or i686?) to cover the vast majority of PC's out there. For packages like vlc,mplayer,dvd::rip,handbrake,thoggen (i.e multi-media related) are there specific GCC/runtime optimizations that yield real world performance. Let's keep gaming aside for a moment, I have a bunch of PC's at home (Phenom II X4, Core 2 Quad and a new Core i7 that is being built) that are mostly used for watching high def video, ripping and encoding etc. I buy only NVIDIA cards for my linux boxes and the latest 180.60 linux driver does a pretty decent job (still not as good as the WinXP or Vista versions though) I'd like to avoid Gentoo for now. Folks have asked me to try Arch and Slackware and build from a minimal base, but I still like Fedora for the ease with which it handles my general computing requirements (flash, latest OO.org pkgs, programming tools, latest firefox etc) Thoughts/Comments/Flames welcome Ravi -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Blocking an IP for one user
Paul wrote: For example, I want to block the BBC websites wholesale WTF??? or anything with the words Microsoft, MSN or Hotmail in the URL That at least won't block much in terms of useful content. :-D Still, I think your blocks are far overreaching and still won't even get close to blocking all the naughty content out there. Blocking per IP or domain name is probably the most ineffective way to censor the Internet. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: booting from USB on old machine without USB boot support
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 05:24:07PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2009-05-30 at 16:48 -0400, fred smith wrote: I'm playing around with F11 pre-release, and wanted to install from the DVD on an old PII I have here. trouble is I don't have a spare (working) DVD drive, but I do have a USB DVD drive. This machine is old enough it won't boot from the USB DVD, so I was wondering if there is a way to make a bootable CD from the DVD, and use that bootable CD as we used to use boot floppies, back in the day, to boot the system far enough to allow access to the DVD and to then run the installation from the DVD. Anybody know? You could just install from a Live CD (I presume the machine has a CD drive). Once that's up, you should be able to install extra stuff from the DVD via the USB drive. In fact it's not hard to just configure the drive as a local repo so yum will consult it when updating (or just copy the DVD contents to your hard disk and do it from there if you have the space). Poc, thanks for replying. Yes, I could do that. but I'm doing this partly for fun and wondering if it's POSSIBLE to do what I asked. I did try doing it from live cd, but this machine is so dog slow it takes about 45 minutes to get to where it begins the installation, then it chokes because it can't find the hard drive (I gotta fix that, I know...:):) ) -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. -- Matthew 7:21 (niv) - pgpcdwS6ya4lR.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Speech to Text
Gregory P. Ennis wrote: Thanks for the response. Your note is appropriate with what I am finding. Do you know if there is a project working on speech to text. I would like to monitor there work and help if I can. http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/html/cmusphinx.php (Note: Ignore the outdated instructions saying to get the proprietary Java at java.sun.com, the java-1.6.0-openjdk packages which ship with Fedora should be perfectly fine.) Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Viewing .jpg Pictures in Thunderbird
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Didn't you say it was a JPEG file? Those headers are for an undifferentiated binary file whose name implies it's a GIF, which isn't the same thing. correct on gif. i did not realize i i told jim; | close thunderbird and then with a _plain_text_ editor, vi, kwrite, etc, | open email and change 'application/octet-stream' to 'image/jpeg'. until i read your post. i guess too much reading of '.jpg' in his post. it should have read; | open email and change 'application/octet-stream' to 'image/gif'. as i stated, i do not know how thunderbird will handle such a change because graphic files do have type embedded in first 9 bytes of file. in fact, just to see what would happen, i sent my self a '.gif ' file and changed '.gif' to '.jpg'. thunderbird showed '.jpg', yet it did display correctly inline. so, how ever thunderbird is reading file, file itself is being used to determine how to be displayed. therefore, i tend to conclude that ms email client may be doing more to hide file type. Your problem has nothing to do with Linux. The sender's email configuration (or host platform) is broken. he said they are using windows. it is not broken, it is just another case of msbsos doing things 'their way'. 'the world is wrong. ms is right.' -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)
On Saturday 30 May 2009, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: 2009/5/30 Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@verizon.net: Why can't all of this audio crap have a 'service audio restart'? function? Probably because there isn't a system-wide audio service. The pulseaudio server usually runs in the user's desktop session. Ok, so I add or remove a line in one of the /etc/pulse files. What do I have to kill and restart to make it re-read those config files and put the effect into service? Is a restart of X sufficient? Right now, the only thing working is the kde sound effects. Any other source, like a new video with sound, is pure white noise at 120 db above the kde sound effects. Since I like to tour the news sites of an evening, I'll remove what I installed and reboot in about an hour if no helpful advice seems to be forthcoming. Also, I tried to join the pulse mailing list, but FF had a whole cow over the https certificate, and I have never seen such a strong warning from FF before so I didn't ok it. Could someone advise Lennert that his sites ssh certificate is dead or compromised? Thanks Joonas. -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Beauty is truth, truth beauty, that is all Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know. -- John Keats -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Blocking an IP for one user
Move the computer into the living room. It treats the kid like a semi-responsible person (which is one definition of a kid) and it admits to him you know you know you can't win all the time. -- * * George Yanos ** * UTC at UIC ** * 312-413-0059(w) ** * 708-848-4221(h) ** * gya...@uic.edu ** * -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)
From: Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@verizon.net
Sent: Saturday, 2009/May/30 17:09
On Saturday 30 May 2009, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote:
2009/5/30 Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@verizon.net:
Why can't all of this audio crap have a 'service audio restart'?
function?
Probably because there isn't a system-wide audio service. The
pulseaudio server usually runs in the user's desktop session.
Ok, so I add or remove a line in one of the /etc/pulse files. What do I
have
to kill and restart to make it re-read those config files and put the
effect
into service? Is a restart of X sufficient?
Right now, the only thing working is the kde sound effects. Any other
source,
like a new video with sound, is pure white noise at 120 db above the kde
sound
effects. Since I like to tour the news sites of an evening, I'll remove
what
I installed and reboot in about an hour if no helpful advice seems to be
forthcoming.
Also, I tried to join the pulse mailing list, but FF had a whole cow over
the
https certificate, and I have never seen such a strong warning from FF
before
so I didn't ok it. Could someone advise Lennert that his sites ssh
certificate is dead or compromised?
Thanks Joonas.
--
Joonas Sarajärvi
mue...@gmail.com
--
Cheers, Gene
You'd think if Linux and Fedora were so hot and wonderful there would be a
system wide audio service that actually worked from consoles as well as
from X. I need both to work to make my setup function correctly. So I am
stuck, crippled. That does not seem to be a problem in Windows with
multiple sessions as with Windows Server editions.
{^_^}
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WUSB54G firmware
FC10/Kde I'm trying to setup a Linksys WUSB54G and I get this error message from DMESG. usb 2-2: firmware: requesting l3886usb usb 2-2: (p54usb) cannot find firmware (isl3886usb) usb 2-2: firmware: requesting isl3890usb p54usb: probe of 2-2:1.0 failed with error -2 usbcore: registered new interface driver p54usb I have googled isl3886USB and can't find the firmware, does anyone know where this firmware is. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Speech to Text
On Sun, 2009-05-31 at 01:39 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Gregory P. Ennis wrote: Thanks for the response. Your note is appropriate with what I am finding. Do you know if there is a project working on speech to text. I would like to monitor there work and help if I can. http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/html/cmusphinx.php (Note: Ignore the outdated instructions saying to get the proprietary Java at java.sun.com, the java-1.6.0-openjdk packages which ship with Fedora should be perfectly fine.) Kevin Kofler Kevin, Thanks much, I'll check it out Greg -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: make libcurl
On Fri, 29 May 2009 21:45:01 +0300, Jussi Lehtola wrote: do you have libcurl-devel installed? Thanks, progress! Now I'm getting: ... checking for CURL... yes checking for JDK location (please wait)... configure: error: JDK home not found, please specify one with --with-jdk-home option (run ./configure -- help for more options) [r...@arrakis curl-java-0.2.3]# You probably just need a java compiler (javac), so # yum -y install java-1.6.0-openjdk-devel It's already installed: [r...@arrakis ~]# [r...@arrakis ~]# rpm -q java-1.6.0-openjdk-devel java-1.6.0-openjdk-devel-1.6.0.0-15.b14.fc10.i386 [r...@arrakis ~]# -Thufir -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kernel update broke my system.
On Sat, 30 May 2009 11:41:16 -0500, Bruno wrote: I have had grub get messed up several times during the F11 rawhide period. I still get the grub prompt though and know where the configfile is in grubspeak. So it's easy for me to fix. I haven't figured out what is causing it to do this. My suspects are using software raid, using livecd-creator, grub updates, kernel updates. I haven't seen strong correlation to any of these though. Let's hope there's not much more crap in GRUB as found in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/496093 Apply the patch that is attached there and see whether you still get only a grub prompt after installing some kernel updates (the original ticket for that issue is flooded with comments and hasn't lead to any findings). -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
