Re: Does Iced Tea Web Start work on Fedora 10? What about Fedora 11?

2009-07-13 Thread Gianluca Sforna
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Rick Sewill wrote:
> Step 2 - Complete your setup fails when I use Iced Tea Web Start on
> Fedora 10.  I click Configuration Room to test my connection, the
> web page changes to a web page with, "Launching Elluminate Live...",
> and a pop-up asks me what I should use to open meeting.jnlp.
> If I select "Iced Tea Web Start (default)", nothing happens.

Same here on Fedora 11

>
> I guess I am asking if other people can get Ice Tea Web Start to work.
> I'm hoping to get a clue what I am doing wrong so it will work for me.

On the Sun's download page there's a footnote saying:

* Please use the 32-bit version for Java applet and Java Web Start support.

so my guess is elluminate (and other webstart based sites like webex)
expects and works only with the 32 bit variant.

Now the question is whether it is possible to install the openjdk 32
bit java plugin in a 64 bit OS...


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Re: Triple boot windows, fedora, and rawhide

2009-07-13 Thread g
Mike Chambers wrote:

> What I ended up doing, was having my main work station set to dual boot
> as normal, with grub installed to the mbr.  I then installed rawhide and
> just installed grub to the first boot partition.  Then edited grub on my
> main workstation with a stanza for rawhide.  Now, I can install kernels
> or whatever on each install, and don't have to update grub manually.

true, you can chain this way. but what happens if you have a problem with
sector 00 on either of these partitions?

if you lose 00 on your partition, you lose lose your chain to your new
install. if you lose 00 on your mbr, you lose both.

there is nothing wrong with doing what you did. it works. but do cover
yourself, have something in event of a 00 failure.

i did not explain this in other post, and i should have.

> Don't know if it's the easiest or best, but it seems to work fine
> without having to share dir's and all that mess.

easy it is. best is to be found out with time.

as for having to share directories, you do not have to share them. you can
set grub.conf to pull kernel and initrd from which ever place you want.

advantage of chain load is that when you upgrade kernel, grub.conf will be
updated to it's associated /boot directory.

if you use a common /boot, same thing.

what ever you decide, do make a recovery boot disk or usb memory. you can
use rescue mode from install cd/dvd, but there are times when it does not
work.

main thing, know and understand what procedures you have as options and you
will have less problems down the road.

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Re: Fedora 11: Switching to single user mode (runlevel 1) -- Hey g.

2009-07-13 Thread g
Tim wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-07-12 at 22:24 -0400, David wrote:
>> I see. You would expect me to ask, please send me your public GnuPG
>> key, from someone I asked publicly and politely to post it or stop
>> signing. From someone who then publicly attacked me and insulted me
>> and said rude things to me and to the list about me.

tim,

excuse my delay in replying. noise got in way so i decided to wait until
it quited down.


for someone to send me an email offlist and complain about my sig making
them feel dumb and remove it is more like telling to stop doing something
because i make them feel dumb and they do not like to feel dumb. if they
feel dumb because of it, then maybe they need to have a look at links and
learn something so they will feel less dumb.

i have had many offlist emails asking about the 'learn linux' links and
which one would be best to help them learn linux. most of whom have even
written back and thanked me for having the sig and leading them to where
they have found more help.

who do you think i will give more precedence to?

30 days later, to the day, they post publicly that my pgp is causing them
problems because their email is a second or two longer because their email
is trying to find my public key and can not. so because of this, they tell
me to post my key or remove it.

did this just start happening? was it not happening 30 days ago? why did
they not make mention about the key 30 days ago?

do i expect you to answer for them? !no! i do not. you are not them.

to me it seemed like they were starting a 30 day period cycle of complaint
and gripping. [i can not use that other word]

i went thru period problems with my last wife and that is why she is now
my ex-wife.


> I'd expect you (or anyone else) to ask someone if they can publish their
> key, or send it to you, and accept whatever the outcome was.  I don't
> expect someone to demand someone else stop signing mail, or demand
> anything else, *THAT* is rude.  And you can expect rude demands to be
> replied to with a similar lack of courtesy.

i have had many offlist emails stating that they tried to pull my key but
could not find it on any server and would i mind sending it to them.

i told them that i had published my key years before and that i had a spam
increase so i stopped publishing it and i sent them my key.

there were a couple who tried to impress me with 'facts they knew' about
how keys worked and that i had to publish it. i played with them and told
them that i had to publish nothing and that if someone wanted my key, all
they had to do was ask. when they asked, i sent it. most wrote back and
thanked me. i did not ask them to thank me, it was just their way of being
polite. some people know how to be polite, some do not. i know how to be
polite, just as i can not be polite. i just find it easier to be polite.

i started using pgp because before i did, i had someone send an email as
me and it caused a big stink, even to a point where i was advised to seek
legal advice and i did. things even got to a point where a court date was
set, but before that happened, proof was found and presented to prove that
i had not sent email.

as i mentioned in another post, someone from this list tried to forge an
email in my name, but it did get caught by list server and i received a
notice that it had happened.

i am not sure who sent it, does not really matter. i have an idea of who,
but that does not matter. because it did not show up on list, they know
that they failed. funny thing about it is that i believe that i have an
idea of what it was about because when a poster made a comment about his
wife, it did hit with an implication and he was wide open for a come back.

i started to, but decided against it. i do wish i had emailed him offlist
and let him know just how wide open his statement was. i do believe that
he would have enjoyed knowing about it and had he told his wife, well i
do hope she has a good sense of humor.

that is in past, but is another reason of why i send to this and other list
with a pgp sig.

what is really interesting about those who moan and groan about a second
or two delay about email clients not finding a pgp sig key is that they
say nothing about the posters who continue to use 'text/html' to post to
this list.

like it does not take any longer to download a message that is 2 to 4 times
larger because it is 'text/html' than if it was 'text/plain'?

or is it that they are not as aware of fact that they are receiving
'text/html' email as they are when they have a brief pause and up pops
across displayed header that pgp sig could not be verified. and then they
do not see that until they read the email or note who it is from.


> Don't get your knickers in a twist if you get insulted after being rude
> to someone.

some people do not understand how they come across when they have their
mind set to 'they are right and anyone who disagrees is wrong'. they get
their 'panties in a wad' are tend to be just down 

NetworkManager pptp vpn and routes?

2009-07-13 Thread Mike Cloaked

I have a laptop running F11 fully up to date, and have NetworkManager-pptp
and pptp installed. In F10 I had the same setup running and I had set up a
vpn connection (pptp) to work with the default route to my home LAN retained
whilst the additional route to machines on the remote work LAN via the vpn
was also active.

In F11 I can set up the vpn connection using a vpn defined in NetworkManager
tabs.  However I cannot get the route behaviour correct.

Can someone point me to the steps needed in the vpn set up tabs to get the
behaviour I had previously in F10 with retaining the default route and
simultaneously having a route to remote machines via the vpn?

Thanks
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Re: NetworkManager pptp vpn and routes?

2009-07-13 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 3:32 AM, Mike Cloaked wrote:
>
> I have a laptop running F11 fully up to date, and have NetworkManager-pptp
> and pptp installed. In F10 I had the same setup running and I had set up a
> vpn connection (pptp) to work with the default route to my home LAN retained
> whilst the additional route to machines on the remote work LAN via the vpn
> was also active.
>
> In F11 I can set up the vpn connection using a vpn defined in NetworkManager
> tabs.  However I cannot get the route behaviour correct.
>
> Can someone point me to the steps needed in the vpn set up tabs to get the
> behaviour I had previously in F10 with retaining the default route and
> simultaneously having a route to remote machines via the vpn?
>
> Thanks


As I report I reported here:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=461420#c8

I could not get custom routes to work with NM-pptp either.


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Re: NetworkManager pptp vpn and routes?

2009-07-13 Thread Mike Cloaked



Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> 
> 
> As I report I reported here:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=461420#c8
> 
> I could not get custom routes to work with NM-pptp either.
> 
> 

Maybe https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=479317 is relevant too?

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Re: NetworkManager pptp vpn and routes?

2009-07-13 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Mike Cloaked wrote:
>
>
>
> Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>>
>>
>> As I report I reported here:
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=461420#c8
>>
>> I could not get custom routes to work with NM-pptp either.
>>
>>
>
> Maybe https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=479317 is relevant too?


I'll have to read that report in detail at a later time. In my case,
any time I attempted to define a route, other than the default, pppd
would since fail a few seconds after connecting.



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Re: Triple boot windows, fedora, and rawhide

2009-07-13 Thread Mike Chambers
On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 06:15 +, g wrote:

> what ever you decide, do make a recovery boot disk or usb memory. you can
> use rescue mode from install cd/dvd, but there are times when it does not
> work.

I have and/or know how to make a rescue cd so I have backup ways to boot
when necessary.  Thanks for the info.

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Re: How do I switch mirror for rpmfusion?

2009-07-13 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 09:14 +0400, gil...@altern.org wrote:
> I'm trying to install OOo at the present time with Pirut. I started
> downloading at about 21:45h. It's now midnight, I have 203 MB
> downloaded and it's not finished,

Are you downloading from local mirrors, or mirrors world-wide?

I've noticed that when I do yum updates, that it tends to select local
ones more likely than further away ones.  I'm receiving an
Australianised mirror list, and it *usually* serves me fine, but not
always.

Perhaps, you get supplied with a less than optimal set of mirrors, and
you want to hand select one or more good ones, and stick to just them.
Visit their websites, and directly download a large file, or two, to get
a feel for their responsiveness (starting to download promptly, and
whether downloads continue at a rapid rate).

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Re: VMware Workstation in F11

2009-07-13 Thread Chris Rouch
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> I performed a fresh install of F11, then installed
> VMware-Workstation-6.5.2-156735.x86_64.rpm.  Installed the patch for
> kernel-2.6.29 from http://communities.vmware.com/thread/203231.  Now,
> when I try to start a VM, I get a message that the .vmdk file can't be
> found.  The message pop-up lets me browse to the location of the file.
>
>         File not found: xxx.vmdk
>
>        This file is required to power on the virtual machine.  If this
>        file was moved, please provide its new location.
>
> But the file has not been moved, and when I select the file from the
> browser, VMware still refuses to start.
>
> Turning selinux to non-enforcing doesn't help.  Problem occurs with
> Workstation and Player.  Everything worked fine with F10, including with
> a 2.6.29 test kernel.
>
> Anybody seen this?  Anybody know a solution?
>

Try disabling selinux completely. On my F10 box with vmware server,
permissive mode wasn't enough.

Regards,

Chris

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"make oldconfig" of current kernel config for x64_64 f11?

2009-07-13 Thread Robert P. J. Day

  for the sake of experimentation, i want to build a kernel for my
x86_64 version of f11 using the current /boot/config file and the
current "git pull" of the kernel source tree.  anyone know any reason
why that might be a hideously bad idea?  obviously, i'll keep the
working version around, but i was just wondering if anyone had tried
this and run into any show-stopper issues.  thanks.

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Fwd: exim: SELinux

2009-07-13 Thread Frank Chiulli
Probably should have posted to this list first.

Frank


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From: Frank Chiulli 
Date: Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:17 AM
Subject: Re: exim: SELinux
To: Didar Hossain 
Cc: Fedora Infrastructure 


Didar,
Mail is arriving.  I just get one SELinux message for every mail message.

I agree...exim should not be referencing /boot AFAIK.  But I'm not an expert.

Frank

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:14 AM, Didar Hossain wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Frank Chiulli wrote:
>> Thomas,
>> Thanks for the suggestion.  Unfortunately it did not work.  I'm still
>> getting the same error.
>>
>> Frank
>
> Is Exim not executing it's job as it is supposed to - as in delivery
> of mail is hampered by this error?
>
> I am no SELinux or Exim expert, but, AFAIK the "/boot" directory is
> not supposed to be related to the regular functioning of Exim.
>
> Didar
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Re: exim: SELinux

2009-07-13 Thread Frank Chiulli
I realized that just before I received your email and did post to
fedora-list.  My mistake and thanks for the heads up.

Frank

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:22 AM, David JM Emmett 
wrote:
> Don't mean to be completely rude but doesn't this belong on a support
> forum?
>
> On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 05:17 -0700, Frank Chiulli wrote:
>> Didar,
>> Mail is arriving.  I just get one SELinux message for every mail message.
>>
>> I agree...exim should not be referencing /boot AFAIK.  But I'm not an expert.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:14 AM, Didar Hossain 
>> wrote:
>> > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Frank Chiulli 
>> > wrote:
>> >> Thomas,
>> >> Thanks for the suggestion.  Unfortunately it did not work.  I'm still
>> >> getting the same error.
>> >>
>> >> Frank
>> >
>> > Is Exim not executing it's job as it is supposed to - as in delivery
>> > of mail is hampered by this error?
>> >
>> > I am no SELinux or Exim expert, but, AFAIK the "/boot" directory is
>> > not supposed to be related to the regular functioning of Exim.
>> >
>> > Didar
>> >
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Re: SELinux warning about sendmail

2009-07-13 Thread Daniel J Walsh
On 07/10/2009 06:09 PM, Andras Simon wrote:
> Sometimes I see the warning:
> 
> SELinux is preventing the sendmail from using potentially mislabeled files
> (/root).
> 
> sendmail is not installed, but according to sealert, this warning is
> really about ssmtp.
> Of course I'm not trying to mail any file from /root, in fact, I don't
> mail anything. Any idea what might be going on?
> 
> Andras
> 
What is the AVC.  It might be just doing a getattr of /root which could trigger 
an AVC.

When an app starts with it's homedir set to /root, it will getattr on the 
$HOME, which can cause this AVC.  Usually these are dontaudited.  So I would 
need to see the AVC to understand what it is complaining about.

grep avc /var/log/audit/audit.log

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Re: httpd vs. avahi and SELinux in Fedora 11

2009-07-13 Thread Daniel J Walsh
On 07/11/2009 07:06 PM, Steven F. LeBrun wrote:
> After doing a clean install of Fedora 11, the Apache webserver, httpd
> 2.2.11, is failing.  The error log [see below] shows that all the httpd
> children are killing themselves with Segmentation faults.
> 
> Httpd was working fine in Fedora 10, same laptop and I started with a
> fresh install of Apache's httpd using the RPM provided for Fedora 11. 
> At first I thought that maybe it is an SELinux problem.  Then I noticed
> in the error_log the following line:
> 
> [error] avahi_entry_group_add_service_strlst("tardis") failed: Local
> name collision
> 
> The FQHN of my laptop where I am trying to run httpd is
> tardis.home.lebruns.com
> 
> Question 1:  Is the segmentation faults due to an SELinux policy issue? 
> I checked the files that should be displayed and their security context
> looks correct.  Is there a problem displayed in the first error log line
> where it states:
> 
>   SELinux policy enabled; httpd running as context
> unconfined_u:system_r:httpd_t:s0
> 
> Question 2:  Any ideas of what is causing the avahi error message?  What
> causes a "Local name collision"?  None of the configuration files
> specify the host name that httpd is running on.  [Setting ServiceName
> did not change anything.]
> 
> Error Log:
> [Sat Jul 11 18:50:26 2009] [notice] SELinux policy enabled; httpd
> running as context unconfined_u:system_r:httpd_t:s0
> [Sat Jul 11 18:50:26 2009] [notice] suEXEC mechanism enabled (wrapper:
> /usr/sbin/suexec)
> [Sat Jul 11 18:50:26 2009] [notice] Digest: generating secret for digest
> authentication ...
> [Sat Jul 11 18:50:26 2009] [notice] Digest: done
> [Sat Jul 11 18:50:26 2009] [notice] mod_python: Creating 4 session
> mutexes based on 256 max processes and 0 max threads.
> [Sat Jul 11 18:50:26 2009] [notice] mod_python: using mutex_directory /tmp
> [Sat Jul 11 18:50:27 2009] [error]
> avahi_entry_group_add_service_strlst("tardis") failed: Local name collision
> [Sat Jul 11 18:50:27 2009] [notice] Apache/2.2.11 (Unix) DAV/2
> mod_mono/2.4 mod_nss/2.2.11 NSS/3.12.2.0 PHP/5.2.9 mod_python/3.3.1
> Python/2.6 mod_ssl/2.2.11 OpenSSL/0.9.8k-fips mod_perl/2.0.4
> Perl/v5.10.0 configured -- resuming normal operations
> [Sat Jul 11 18:50:27 2009] [notice] child pid 10956 exit signal
> Segmentation fault (11)
> [Sat Jul 11 18:50:27 2009] [notice] child pid 10957 exit signal
> Segmentation fault (11)
> ...
> The exit signal Segmentation fault (11) repeats ad nausium until httpd
> is stopped.
> 
> Any help and/or suggestions will be appreciated.
> 
Does this happen if SELinux is in permissive mode?  Is selinux reporting errors 
in the /var/log/audit/audit.log?

# getsebool -a | grep avahi
httpd_dbus_avahi --> on

THe only avahi/dbus boolean is defined above.

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Re: F11 mrtg external scripts permission errors (selinux?)

2009-07-13 Thread Daniel J Walsh
On 07/12/2009 07:04 AM, Jurgen Kramer wrote:
> I've just upgraded my server to Fedora 11 (clean install) and I am
> trying to get everything working again. I have some problems with my
> mrtg scripts, they seem not allowed to run. I guess this has something
> to do with selinux.
> 
> I see the following errors in the log:
> 
> Can't exec "/etc/mrtg/cpu_temp.sh": Permission denied at /usr/bin/mrtg
> line 2030.
> 2009-07-12 12:35:02: WARNING: Running '/etc/mrtg/cpu_temp.sh':
> Permission denied
> 2009-07-12 12:35:02: WARNING: Could not get any data from external
> command '/etc/mrtg/cpu_temp.sh'
> Maybe the external command did not even start. (Permission denied)
> 
> I changed the security context for all files residing in /etc/mrtg to:
> 
> [kra...@nasng mrtg]$ ll -Z
> -rwx--. root root system_u:object_r:mrtg_etc_t:s0  cpufan_speed.sh
> -rwx--. root root system_u:object_r:mrtg_etc_t:s0  cpu_temp.sh
> -rwx--. root root system_u:object_r:mrtg_etc_t:s0  fan_speed.sh
> -rwx--. root root system_u:object_r:mrtg_etc_t:s0  hdd_temp.sh
> -rwx--. root root system_u:object_r:mrtg_etc_t:s0  mb_temp.sh
> -rw-r--r--. root root system_u:object_r:mrtg_etc_t:s0  mrtg.cfg
> -rwx--. root root system_u:object_r:mrtg_etc_t:s0  nbfan_speed.sh
> 
> but I still get the permission denied errors.
> What should the correct security context for the scripts be? Or do they
> need to be moved to another location?
> 
> BTW running the command as executed by the crontab by hand works without
> problems.
> 
> 
> Jurgen
> 
mrtg_t can read etc_t but not execute it, these should probably be labeled 
bin_t.

Please attach the AVC messages that mrtg is complaining about, so I can try to 
write a better setroubleshoot plugin for this.


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Re: question on using febootstrap

2009-07-13 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 06:00:59AM -0700, Globe Trotter wrote:
> Failed:
>   filesystem.x86_64 0:2.4.21-1.fc11   
> Complete!

This is OK.

It's caused because rpm tries to create /proc, and fakechroot doesn't
catch the write and redirect it into the chroot.  However failure to
create this directory doesn't actually matter.

> Not sure what the filesystem failure is supposed to mean.
> 
> Also, where should I put the kickstart file, or its equivalent? If 
> equivalent, then what is it?

febootstrap doesn't support kickstart files.  If you want to add that,
patches are welcomed, and would be an excellent feature.

> Then, regardless, I tried:
> 
> $ febootstrap-to-initramfs ./f11 > initrd.img
> 745468 blocks
> 
> 
> I am little lost as to what I should do after this point to get to a LiveCD. 
> Could you please make suggestions?

Not sure what else you're trying to do.

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Rant: Clamav is not well-integrated

2009-07-13 Thread G.Wolfe Woodbury
I've just spent a frustrating two hours trying to get clamav installed 
and running.  Ultimately I turned if off again to get mail flowing.


First, there are too many different packages required to get the system 
working: clamav-milter, clamav-scanner, freshclam, etc

There should be an easy to install package that gets everything.

Second: The integration into the user system is messy, two usernames and 
multiple groups and conflicting permissions are in use.


Third: It takes manual intervention to get sendmail.mc correctly formed 
and clamav integrated.  I understand that this is necessarily a manual 
process, but there is essentially no documentation of what should be 
done in a recipe.


Fourth: Clamav-milter is different from clamd and there is no initscript 
support for clamd (the scanner daemon) which should be controlled by the 
clamav-milter initscript.


Fifth: Freshclam (the updater) should be better integrated. It takes a 
separate install and configuration (manual) step, and then it complains 
that the version is already out-of-date!


Sixth: I really appreciate the work that the package maintainer has 
done, but the integration and logic are much less than clear and clean.


Thanks for listening.

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Re: question on using febootstrap

2009-07-13 Thread Globe Trotter



--- On Mon, 7/13/09, Richard W.M. Jones  wrote:

> From: Richard W.M. Jones 
> Subject: Re: question on using febootstrap
> To: "Globe Trotter" , fedora-list@redhat.com
> Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 9:07 AM
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 06:00:59AM
> -0700, Globe Trotter wrote:
> > Failed:
> >   filesystem.x86_64
> 0:2.4.21-1.fc11           
>                
>            
>    
> > Complete!
> 
> This is OK.
> 
> It's caused because rpm tries to create /proc, and
> fakechroot doesn't
> catch the write and redirect it into the chroot. 
> However failure to
> create this directory doesn't actually matter.
> 
> > Not sure what the filesystem failure is supposed to
> mean.
> > 
> > Also, where should I put the kickstart file, or its
> equivalent? If equivalent, then what is it?
> 
> febootstrap doesn't support kickstart files.  If you
> want to add that,
> patches are welcomed, and would be an excellent feature.
> 
> > Then, regardless, I tried:
> > 
> > $ febootstrap-to-initramfs ./f11 > initrd.img
> > 745468 blocks
> > 
> > 
> > I am little lost as to what I should do after this
> point to get to a LiveCD. Could you please make
> suggestions?
> 
> Not sure what else you're trying to do.
> 

Hi,

Many thanks! My question is how do I get to a LiveCD from here? 

Best,
T


  

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F10, AthlonXP 2500+, recently updated...System freeze?

2009-07-13 Thread Mike Burger
This may be coincidence, or maybe not...

After the last round of updates to F10 on my AthlonXP 2500+ system, a
couple/few weeks ago, my system has been freezing.  I get nothing in my
logs, I see nothing in the way of the normal kernel debug output that
often spews out to the screen...the system just completely freezes.

I've tried in runlevel 5 (where I normally run, as I use this system as my
desktop) and in runlevel 3.

I seem to recall a thread, recently, where some laptop users were noting
that they were noting increased heat and their fans running more often,
after some recent updates (and specifically noted that they were not
having this issue when dual booting into Windows)...has anyone else noted
similar issues on desktop type systems?

While I realize that there are risks to using "bleeding edge" operating
systems, I've been a Red Hat user since 4.2, and a Fedora user since FC1,
and not having my desktop system usable is causing me great distress, at
this point.

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Re: yum runs out of mirrors to try when updating

2009-07-13 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 06:42 +, Amadeus W.M. wrote:
> I did a yum update on a fresh F11 install (i386) and yum can't find some 
> packages. Does anyone know what's going on?
Not yet but I filed bug 510959 about the problem, which persists.
> 
> 
> Error Downloading Packages:
>   grubby-6.0.87-1.fc11.i586: failure: grubby-6.0.87-1.fc11.i586.rpm from 
> updates
> : (256, 'No more mirrors to try.')
>   farsight2-0.0.12-1.fc11.i586: failure: farsight2-0.0.12-1.fc11.i586.rpm 
> from u
> pdates: (256, 'No more mirrors to try.')
>   12:dhclient-4.1.0-22.fc11.i586: failure: dhclient-4.1.0-22.fc11.i586.rpm 
> from 
> updates: (256, 'No more mirrors to try.')
>   alsa-plugins-pulseaudio-1.0.20-2.fc11.i586: failure: alsa-plugins-
> pulseaudio-1
> .0.20-2.fc11.i586.rpm from updates: (256, 'No more mirrors to try.')
>   gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.15-3.fc11.i586: failure: gstreamer-plugins-
> good-0.
> 10.15-3.fc11.i586.rpm from updates: (256, 'No more mirrors to try.')
>   gdb-6.8.50.20090302-33.fc11.i586: failure: 
> gdb-6.8.50.20090302-33.fc11.i586.rp
> m from updates: (256, 'No more mirrors to try.')
> 
> 
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Re: Software update failed.

2009-07-13 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sun, 2009-07-12 at 16:34 -0700, Geoffrey Leach wrote:
> On 07/12/2009 04:12:22 PM, Mike Adolf wrote:
> > I just got a panel icon alert that there were several updates for
> > Fedora
> > 11. But after running the updates not all were able to download. Here
> > are a few of the not-too-informative errors. Can this be corrected.
> > 
> > -
> > grubby-6.0.87-1.fc11.i586: failure: grubby-6.0.87-1.fc11.i586.rpm 
> > from
> > updates: (256, 'No more mirrors to try.')
> > farsight2-0.0.12-1.fc11.i586: failure:
> > farsight2-0.0.12-1.fc11.i586.rpm
> > from updates: (256, 'No more mirrors to try.')
> > 12:dhclient-4.1.0-22.fc11.i586: failure:
> > dhclient-4.1.0-22.fc11.i586.rpm
> > from updates: (256, 'No more mirrors to try.')
> > alsa-plugins-pulseaudio-1.0.20-2.fc11.i586: failure:
> > alsa-plugins-pulseaudio-1.0.20-2.fc11.i586.rpm from updates: (256, 
> > 'No
> > more mirrors to try.')
> 
> Try 'yum update' as root
> 
As has been pointed out by several people , that does not work either.
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Re: yum runs out of mirrors to try when updating

2009-07-13 Thread Ralf Corsepius

Aaron Konstam wrote:

On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 06:42 +, Amadeus W.M. wrote:
I did a yum update on a fresh F11 install (i386) and yum can't find some 
packages. Does anyone know what's going on?

Not yet but I filed bug 510959 about the problem, which persists.


I don't now the cause, but the problem is obvious:
The i386-updates repos are broken and none of the people in charge has 
been able to fix this.




Ralf

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trying to boot f11 with git-version kernel has radeon problems

2009-07-13 Thread Robert P. J. Day

  as a followup to my earlier post, i grabbed the current /boot/config
for my f11 x86_64 system, the current git kernel tree, did "make
oldconfig", took all the default answers, built a new kernel, rebooted
to get in, /var/log/messages:

...
Jul 13 09:22:25 localhost kernel: i2c-adapter i2c-1: unable to read EDID block.
Jul 13 09:22:25 localhost kernel: radeon :01:05.0: LVDS-1: no EDID data
Jul 13 09:22:25 localhost kernel: i2c-adapter i2c-1: unable to read EDID block.
Jul 13 09:22:25 localhost kernel: radeon :01:05.0: LVDS-1: no EDID data
Jul 13 09:22:25 localhost kernel: [drm:radeon_cp_getparam_kms] *ERROR* invalid 
ioctl with kms radeon_cp_getparam_kms
Jul 13 09:22:25 localhost gdm-binary[2416]: WARNING: GdmDisplay: display lasted 
0.478773 seconds
Jul 13 09:22:26 localhost kernel: i2c-adapter i2c-1: unable to read EDID block.
Jul 13 09:22:26 localhost kernel: radeon :01:05.0: LVDS-1: no EDID data
Jul 13 09:22:26 localhost kernel: i2c-adapter i2c-1: unable to read EDID block.
Jul 13 09:22:26 localhost kernel: radeon :01:05.0: LVDS-1: no EDID data
Jul 13 09:22:26 localhost kernel: [drm:radeon_cp_getparam_kms] *ERROR* invalid 
ioctl with kms radeon_cp_getparam_kms
Jul 13 09:22:26 localhost gdm-binary[2416]: WARNING: GdmDisplay: display lasted 
0.510389 seconds
Jul 13 09:22:26 localhost kernel: i2c-adapter i2c-1: unable to read EDID block.
Jul 13 09:22:26 localhost kernel: radeon :01:05.0: LVDS-1: no EDID data
Jul 13 09:22:26 localhost kernel: i2c-adapter i2c-1: unable to read EDID block.
Jul 13 09:22:26 localhost kernel: radeon :01:05.0: LVDS-1: no EDID data
Jul 13 09:22:26 localhost kernel: [drm:radeon_cp_getparam_kms] *ERROR* invalid 
ioctl with kms radeon_cp_getparam_kms
Jul 13 09:22:26 localhost gdm-binary[2416]: WARNING: GdmDisplay: display lasted 
0.463502 seconds
Jul 13 09:22:27 localhost kernel: i2c-adapter i2c-1: unable to read EDID block.
Jul 13 09:22:27 localhost kernel: radeon :01:05.0: LVDS-1: no EDID data
Jul 13 09:22:27 localhost kernel: i2c-adapter i2c-1: unable to read EDID block.
Jul 13 09:22:27 localhost kernel: radeon :01:05.0: LVDS-1: no EDID data
Jul 13 09:22:27 localhost kernel: [drm:radeon_cp_getparam_kms] *ERROR* invalid 
ioctl with kms radeon_cp_getparam_kms
Jul 13 09:22:27 localhost gdm-binary[2416]: WARNING: GdmDisplay: display lasted 
0.499731 seconds
Jul 13 09:22:27 localhost kernel: i2c-adapter i2c-1: unable to read EDID block.
Jul 13 09:22:27 localhost kernel: radeon :01:05.0: LVDS-1: no EDID data
Jul 13 09:22:27 localhost kernel: i2c-adapter i2c-1: unable to read EDID block.
Jul 13 09:22:27 localhost kernel: radeon :01:05.0: LVDS-1: no EDID data
Jul 13 09:22:27 localhost kernel: [drm:radeon_cp_getparam_kms] *ERROR* invalid 
ioctl with kms radeon_cp_getparam_kms
Jul 13 09:22:27 localhost gdm-binary[2416]: WARNING: GdmDisplay: display lasted 
0.455812 seconds
Jul 13 09:22:28 localhost kernel: i2c-adapter i2c-1: unable to read EDID block.
Jul 13 09:22:28 localhost kernel: radeon :01:05.0: LVDS-1: no EDID data
Jul 13 09:22:28 localhost kernel: i2c-adapter i2c-1: unable to read EDID block.
Jul 13 09:22:28 localhost kernel: radeon :01:05.0: LVDS-1: no EDID data
Jul 13 09:22:28 localhost kernel: [drm:radeon_cp_getparam_kms] *ERROR* invalid 
ioctl with kms radeon_cp_getparam_kms
Jul 13 09:22:28 localhost gdm-binary[2416]: WARNING: GdmDisplay: display lasted 
0.504048 seconds
Jul 13 09:22:28 localhost gdm-binary[2416]: WARNING: GdmLocalDisplayFactory: 
maximum number of X display failures reached: check X server log for errors
Jul 13 09:22:28 localhost init: prefdm main process (2416) terminated with 
status 1
Jul 13 09:22:28 localhost init: prefdm main process ended, respawning
Jul 13 09:22:28 localhost init: prefdm respawning too fast, stopped

  thoughts?  i *am* up and running at the command line so that's a
good sign, but given the grief i've had with radeon drivers lately,
this development doesn't really surprise me.

  given that this isn't an officially supported kernel, is there any
value in BZ'ing this?  i can supply /var/log/Xorg.0.log and everything
else that's usually relevant.

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F11: Blender and the i915 driver

2009-07-13 Thread Marco Guazzone
Hi all,

It seems that the i915 driver of the kernel shipped with F11
(2.6.29.5-191.fc11.x86_64) has some problems.

When I start blender (v, 2.49a) my X will completely freeze!

Looking in /var/log/messages:

Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: [ cut here ]
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: kernel BUG at
drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915_gem.c:2136!
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: invalid opcode:  [#1] SMP
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: last sysfs file:
/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0A:00/power_supply/BAT0/charge_full
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: CPU 1
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: Modules linked in: fuse ipv6
cpufreq_ondemand acpi_cpufreq freq_table dm_multipath kvm_intel kvm
uinput arc4 ecb snd_hda_codec_idt iwl3945 firewire_ohci snd_hda_intel
firewire_core snd_hda_codec snd_hwdep mac80211 snd_pcm yenta_socket
tg3 rsrc_nonstatic i2c_i801 snd_timer snd iTCO_wdt soundcore
iTCO_vendor_support snd_page_alloc wmi pcspkr crc_itu_t lib80211
cfg80211 dell_laptop joydev dcdbas i915 drm i2c_algo_bit i2c_core
video output [last unloaded: microcode]
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: Pid: 2162, comm: blender Not tainted
2.6.29.5-191.fc11.x86_64 #1 Latitude D830
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: RIP: 0010:[]
[] i915_gem_object_get_fence_reg+0x221/0x61e [i915]
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: RSP: :88006c915be8  EFLAGS: 00010202
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: RAX: 1524 RBX:
88006f88d480 RCX: 0010
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: RDX: 2a02 RSI:
1524 RDI: 88006f88d240
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: RBP: 88006c915c28 R08:
0004 R09: 88007d5ae1f0
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: R10: 0200 R11:
0040 R12: 88006f88d3c0
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: R13: 88007d5ae000 R14:
88006f88d600 R15: 88007d5ac000
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: FS:  7fb7540f1780()
GS:88007f001f00() knlGS:
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: CS:  0010 DS:  ES:  CR0:
80050033
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: CR2: 7fb7540fc000 CR3:
6c813000 CR4: 26e0
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: DR0:  DR1:
 DR2: 
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: DR3:  DR6:
0ff0 DR7: 0400
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: Process blender (pid: 2162,
threadinfo 88006c914000, task 88006a92)
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: Stack:
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: 88006c915c38 88007d5ae1f0
88007d5ac020 88006f88d600
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: 88007d5ac020 88006f88d480
88006f9c2580 88006c915ce8
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: 88006c915c98 a00610d3
88006c915c68 7fb7540fc000
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: Call Trace:
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: []
i915_gem_fault+0xc1/0x136 [i915]
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: [] __do_fault+0x55/0x3d5
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: [] ?
agp_flush_chipset+0x1b/0x1d
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: [] ?
i915_gem_object_flush_cpu_write_domain+0x26/0x32 [i915]
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: []
handle_mm_fault+0x349/0x7c5
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: [] do_page_fault+0x5b5/0x9e9
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: [] ? unlock_kernel+0x2f/0x32
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: [] ? vfs_ioctl+0x76/0x87
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: [] ? do_vfs_ioctl+0x462/0x4a3
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: [] ?
trace_hardirqs_off_thunk+0x3a/0x6c
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: [] page_fault+0x25/0x30
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: Code: ff e8 35 e9 ff ff 85 c0 0f 84
b3 fe ff ff e9 06 04 00 00 41 83 7c 24 20 00 75 10 48 8b 55 c8 48 8b
02 f7 40 70 be ff ff ff 74 04 <0f> 0b eb fe 49 8b bf 38 01 00 00 48 8b
70 38 48 85 ff 74 1a 48
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: RIP  []
i915_gem_object_get_fence_reg+0x221/0x61e [i915]
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: RSP 
Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: ---[ end trace 77c31c0b3328e17f ]---

I looked at the kenerloops.org site and I've found many bugs related
to i915 but I'm not sure that mine is included


Should I submit a bug? ... and where?

Thanks in advance!

Cheers

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Re: question on using febootstrap

2009-07-13 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 06:11:22AM -0700, Globe Trotter wrote:
> Many thanks! My question is how do I get to a LiveCD from here? 

I have no idea.  Better go back to whoever told you to use febootstrap
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F11x64 and Java Web Start = Nada...?

2009-07-13 Thread Christopher A. Williams
I have a friend we just installed F11 (64-bit) for. They need to use an
application which requires Java Web Start (IcedTea Web Start?)

Problem: This simply isn't working. the .jnlp file asks to load IcedTea
Web Start and then does absolutely nothing...!

I need to get this working ASAP. Ideas on what could be wrong and what
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threading broken in thunderbird-3.0b2 ?

2009-07-13 Thread Lonni J Friedman
Anyone else notice that email threading isn't working right in
thunderbird-3.0b2 ?  It worked all the time with the 2.x version from
Fedora10, and now no matter how many times I click the "Click to
display message threads" header button, its all just flat.

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Re: F11x64 and Java Web Start = Nada...?

2009-07-13 Thread Deepak Bhole
* Christopher A. Williams  [2009-07-13 10:02]:
> I have a friend we just installed F11 (64-bit) for. They need to use an
> application which requires Java Web Start (IcedTea Web Start?)
> 
> Problem: This simply isn't working. the .jnlp file asks to load IcedTea
> Web Start and then does absolutely nothing...!
> 
> I need to get this working ASAP. Ideas on what could be wrong and what
> any potential work-arounds might be?
> 
> 

Where can I find the .jnlp that he is trying to run?

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Re: Rant: Clamav is not well-integrated

2009-07-13 Thread Dunc

G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote:
I've just spent a frustrating two hours trying to get clamav installed 
and running.  Ultimately I turned if off again to get mail flowing.


First, there are too many different packages required to get the 
system working: clamav-milter, clamav-scanner, freshclam, etc

There should be an easy to install package that gets everything.

Second: The integration into the user system is messy, two usernames 
and multiple groups and conflicting permissions are in use.


Third: It takes manual intervention to get sendmail.mc correctly 
formed and clamav integrated.  I understand that this is necessarily a 
manual process, but there is essentially no documentation of what 
should be done in a recipe.


Fourth: Clamav-milter is different from clamd and there is no 
initscript support for clamd (the scanner daemon) which should be 
controlled by the clamav-milter initscript.


Fifth: Freshclam (the updater) should be better integrated. It takes a 
separate install and configuration (manual) step, and then it 
complains that the version is already out-of-date!


Sixth: I really appreciate the work that the package maintainer has 
done, but the integration and logic are much less than clear and clean.


Thanks for listening.

G.Wolfe Woodbury


I sure pretty much anyone who uses clamav uses the one from RPMforge.

Its a lot tidier and actually works out the box, and has a service set 
up for clamd


The fedora one is well known for its awfulness

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simple LDAP for address book?

2009-07-13 Thread Tom Horsley
Every once and I while I take a look at trying to setup an
LDAP server on my system for keeping address book info (so
I can access it remotely as I already do with my dovecot IMAP
server).

Every time I start looking at it, I find way too much
information about enterprise class directory servers
and sql back ends and user authentication, etc.

Anyone know of a simple howto somewhere on the net for
setting up LDAP just to use for a personal address book?
(Preferably some server offered in fedora repos).

I have this feeling I could write my own custom LDAP
server in less time than I could understand the documentation
for the existing ones :-).

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Re: exim: SELinux

2009-07-13 Thread Daniel J Walsh
On 07/13/2009 08:24 AM, Frank Chiulli wrote:
> I realized that just before I received your email and did post to
> fedora-list.  My mistake and thanks for the heads up.
> 
> Frank
> 
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:22 AM, David JM Emmett 
> wrote:
>> Don't mean to be completely rude but doesn't this belong on a support
>> forum?
>>
>> On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 05:17 -0700, Frank Chiulli wrote:
>>> Didar,
>>> Mail is arriving.  I just get one SELinux message for every mail message.
>>>
>>> I agree...exim should not be referencing /boot AFAIK.  But I'm not an 
>>> expert.
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:14 AM, Didar Hossain 
>>> wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Frank Chiulli 
 wrote:
> Thomas,
> Thanks for the suggestion.  Unfortunately it did not work.  I'm still
> getting the same error.
>
> Frank
 Is Exim not executing it's job as it is supposed to - as in delivery
 of mail is hampered by this error?

 I am no SELinux or Exim expert, but, AFAIK the "/boot" directory is
 not supposed to be related to the regular functioning of Exim.

 Didar

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> 
I am missing the first email in this chain.  What AVC are you seeing from exim 
when mail arrives?

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disabling IRQ # 16

2009-07-13 Thread Frank Cox
When I got up this morning I discovered a message that I've never seen before on
all of the open gnome terminals on my desktop:

message from syslogd: disabling IRQ #16

I checked /var/log/messages for further information and all that I found was
this:

Jul 13 04:53:01 mutt kernel: irq 16: nobody cared (try booting with the
"irqpoll" option)

Everything seemed to still be working, but I just rebooted this computer as a
kind of a precaution.

What just happened?

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Re: threading broken in thunderbird-3.0b2 ?

2009-07-13 Thread Bradley

On 07/13/2009 09:06 AM, Lonni J Friedman wrote:

Anyone else notice that email threading isn't working right in
thunderbird-3.0b2 ?  It worked all the time with the 2.x version from
Fedora10, and now no matter how many times I click the "Click to
display message threads" header button, its all just flat.
   
It seems to work satisfactory for me.  The only problem I've had with it 
is that even though it gets it right most of the time, every now and 
then it doesn't put a response under the message it should have.  That's 
pretty rare, though.


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Re: simple LDAP for address book?

2009-07-13 Thread Bradley

On 07/13/2009 09:39 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:

Every once and I while I take a look at trying to setup an
LDAP server on my system for keeping address book info (so
I can access it remotely as I already do with my dovecot IMAP
server).

Every time I start looking at it, I find way too much
information about enterprise class directory servers
and sql back ends and user authentication, etc.

Anyone know of a simple howto somewhere on the net for
setting up LDAP just to use for a personal address book?
(Preferably some server offered in fedora repos).

I have this feeling I could write my own custom LDAP
server in less time than I could understand the documentation
for the existing ones :-).
Let me know when you figure this out. I've wanted to do something 
similar but also got bogged down by T.M.I. for something simple I wanted 
to do.


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Re: threading broken in thunderbird-3.0b2 ?

2009-07-13 Thread Lonni J Friedman
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Bradley wrote:
> On 07/13/2009 09:06 AM, Lonni J Friedman wrote:
>>
>> Anyone else notice that email threading isn't working right in
>> thunderbird-3.0b2 ?  It worked all the time with the 2.x version from
>> Fedora10, and now no matter how many times I click the "Click to
>> display message threads" header button, its all just flat.
>>
>
> It seems to work satisfactory for me.  The only problem I've had with it is
> that even though it gets it right most of the time, every now and then it
> doesn't put a response under the message it should have.  That's pretty
> rare, though.

It just about never threads anything.  Its quite rare that it ever
happens.  How much email volume do you get?  I typically get about
1500 new emails/day.


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Re: F11x64 and Java Web Start = Nada...?

2009-07-13 Thread Christopher A. Williams
On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 10:23 -0400, Deepak Bhole wrote:
> * Christopher A. Williams  [2009-07-13 10:02]:
> > I have a friend we just installed F11 (64-bit) for. They need to use an
> > application which requires Java Web Start (IcedTea Web Start?)
> > 
> > Problem: This simply isn't working. the .jnlp file asks to load IcedTea
> > Web Start and then does absolutely nothing...!
> > 
> > I need to get this working ASAP. Ideas on what could be wrong and what
> > any potential work-arounds might be?
> > 
> > 
> 
> Where can I find the .jnlp that he is trying to run?
> 
> Deepak

Looks like the issue is known. The application in question for me is an
Emullive Meeting application. Reference:

http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=507870

The updated OpenJDK packages referenced there fixed the problem for me.
I guess we just need to wait for the updated packages to arrive on the
mirrors for a final fix.

Cheers,

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Re: simple LDAP for address book?

2009-07-13 Thread Ian Chapman

On 13/07/09 22:39, Tom Horsley wrote:


Anyone know of a simple howto somewhere on the net for
setting up LDAP just to use for a personal address book?
(Preferably some server offered in fedora repos).


I haven't used either of these myself, but they might fit your needs if 
you haven't seen them already.


http://freeldap.org/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/labe/

FWIW, a year or two back I setup an addressbook using Fedora Directory 
Services. I found that there was a lot of variation in what fields 
different applications expected entries to reside. Some applications 
could be configured to use certain fields, others couldn't and required 
some magic trickery on the server side. I could see the advantage for an 
enterprise with thousands of addresses, using a specific set of 
corporate apps pre-configured for LDAP but it was more pain that it was 
worth for a personal addressbook. YMMV of course. :)


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Re: what is up with missing fc11 updates?

2009-07-13 Thread jack craig

thx bruno,

i was actually just responding to the automated update alert.

but its a rare occasion when saying 'update', it fails.

its still failing this am, do you know who to contact about this breakage?

thx, jackc...


On 07/12/2009 03:02 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:

On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 14:07:19 -0700,
   jack craig  wrote:
   

Hi Fedora-list,

What is the fix for the missing updates that are failing my fc11 auto
update process?

there are 26 items that are apparently not on their distribution site;
the system is trying and failing to find more mirrors to try!!!

what is the deal?
 


Something's screwed up. Unless there is something particular you want just
wait (probably until tomorrow would be a good choice). If there is something
you really want an update for now, try just updating it and if it doesn't
depend on any missing uodates it should work.
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Re: simple LDAP for address book?

2009-07-13 Thread Aly Dharshi

On 07/13/2009 09:37 AM, Bradley wrote:

Let me know when you figure this out. I've wanted to do something
similar but also got bogged down by T.M.I. for something simple I wanted
to do.


Shouldn't something like Thunderbird + Addressbooks Synchronizer + an imap 
folder suffice for this ? Why would you want to use a directory server for this, 
that would be over kill no ?


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Re: threading broken in thunderbird-3.0b2 ?

2009-07-13 Thread Bradley

On 07/13/2009 10:37 AM, Lonni J Friedman wrote:

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Bradley  wrote:
   

On 07/13/2009 09:06 AM, Lonni J Friedman wrote:
 

Anyone else notice that email threading isn't working right in
thunderbird-3.0b2 ?  It worked all the time with the 2.x version from
Fedora10, and now no matter how many times I click the "Click to
display message threads" header button, its all just flat.

   

It seems to work satisfactory for me.  The only problem I've had with it is
that even though it gets it right most of the time, every now and then it
doesn't put a response under the message it should have.  That's pretty
rare, though.
 


It just about never threads anything.  Its quite rare that it ever
happens.  How much email volume do you get?  I typically get about
1500 new emails/day.
Okay, you've got me beat there by quite a margin.  I typically only get 
up to less than 200 per day as of lately.


Bradley

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Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Steven W. Orr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On 07/12/09 09:49, quoth Aaron Konstam:
> I guess it is a matter of philosophy. I think signing mail to a list is
> a waste of time and space.
> 
> On the fedora list what difference does it make if the poster is really
> who he says he is, I could understand if the poster was selling me
> something but any ideas he or she sells are either valid and useful or
> they are not; no matter who they are.

An excellent question! I run a local mailing list here in the sleepy town of
Framingham MA. Long ago (before I was sued in Federal Court for conspiracy to
create an atmosphere of discrimination against the handicapped) I decided that
people should sign their names to their posts.  You don't have to use pgp but
you have to sign your name. People who have anonymity tend to speak
differently than if their real name is involved. In engineering circles it's
less of a problem, because people tend to be more civil than in discussions
involving personal and emotional content.

But there's overlap. What I say here may be seen by people in other circles.
If everyone I know sees that I pgp sign and then they see that there's a
message that's not signed then they'll be righteously suspicious as to whether
this really is Steven W. Orr, even if they don't have the software to vcrify.

So now you know why I sign. A better question is not why you don't sign here,
but why you don't sign at all.

[Just so I can claim to be staying on topic WRT Fedora, there are a lot of
MUAs out there, and most if not all are capable of interfacing with GnuPG.]

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Re: simple LDAP for address book?

2009-07-13 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:44:24 -0600
Aly Dharshi wrote:

> Shouldn't something like Thunderbird + Addressbooks Synchronizer + an imap 
> folder suffice for this ? Why would you want to use a directory server for 
> this, 
> that would be over kill no ?

LDAP seems to be the only option offered in most email clients for
access to a remote address book. I got email client freedom for
the mail itself when I setup dovecot, since all clients can talk
IMAP, I'm just trying to get client freedom for the address book
as well, so don't want to be tied to thunderbird or any specific
similar solution.

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Re: what is up with missing fc11 updates?

2009-07-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 08:42:42 -0700,
  jack craig  wrote:
> thx bruno,
>
> i was actually just responding to the automated update alert.
>
> but its a rare occasion when saying 'update', it fails.
>
> its still failing this am, do you know who to contact about this breakage?

There is a bug open about this already. And there has been discussion about
this in several threads for over a day now, so I strongly suspect members of
the infrastructure group are already aware of the problem.

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Re: simple LDAP for address book?

2009-07-13 Thread Chris Thielen
I've had luck setting up the OpenLDAP server (sibling of Fedora  
Directory Server) and getting Thunderbird to read names out of it,  
though I never tried writing back to it, or working with a single  
address book versus one global address book.


It's a bit difficult at first because you have to understand that LDAP  
uses a tree structure, so e.g. if you wanted to have per-account  
address books in LDAP, you would need to configure each client's base  
DN appropriately, e.g.  
ou=AddressBook,ou=UserName,ou=People,dc=server,dc=com, or however you  
decide to organize it. That string path is a tree map, with each  
proceeding entry acting as a sibling to the one that comes next. The  
idea is kind of like DNS, e.g. 'com' is the master of 'server', which  
is the master of 'People', which has a 'UserName', who has a subtree  
'AddressBook'. OpenLDAP's /etc/ config file lets you specify different  
usernames and passwords to access different parts of the tree. I'm  
sure if you decide one day to use LDAP for single sign-on, you can use  
those credentials as the address book credentials too.


It is a bit difficult but I wouldn't say it's overkill any more so  
than IMAP is overkill compared to local mail delivery, and it's  
definitely the open standards way to do networked address books, imo.


On Jul 13, 2009, at 7:39 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:


Every once and I while I take a look at trying to setup an
LDAP server on my system for keeping address book info (so
I can access it remotely as I already do with my dovecot IMAP
server).

Every time I start looking at it, I find way too much
information about enterprise class directory servers
and sql back ends and user authentication, etc.

Anyone know of a simple howto somewhere on the net for
setting up LDAP just to use for a personal address book?
(Preferably some server offered in fedora repos).

I have this feeling I could write my own custom LDAP
server in less time than I could understand the documentation
for the existing ones :-).

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Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Steven W. Orr
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On 07/12/09 19:05, quoth Rick Sewill:

> My thought is to pgp sign my mail.
> 
> Those who know me, who have spoken to me over the phone and have
> received mail from me, can save my signature from my mail and know the
> mail, and any future mail with that signature, is from me.

HOLD ON THERE BULLWINKLE!!!

Every message you send will have a different signature. Your signature is a
function of the content of your message and your private key. It can only be
verified using your public key. Saving a signature is of no value.

Signing a message says three things:

* You're reading a message from me, whoever I am.
* I can never say that I never said it (non-repudiation).
* The message is intact. It was not modified.

> Those who do not know me will have a valid, verified, but untrusted
> signature.  If these people have a problem with my mail, they should be
> able to track me down through my signature.

Not true. Public keys are not the same as a signature.

> If one receives mail that purports to be from me, and doesn't
> have a signature or does have a signature, but not my signature,
> I can claim I didn't send the mail, and hopefully, the person
> who created the signature can be tracked down through their
> signature.  I assume the key servers keep a log indicating what Internet
> address was used to register what signature and those records can be
> accessed if one can get a court order.

Not true and they do not.

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Re: Rant: Clamav is not well-integrated

2009-07-13 Thread G.Wolfe Woodbury

On 07/13/2009 10:32 AM, Dunc wrote:

G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote:

Thanks for listening.

G.Wolfe Woodbury


I sure pretty much anyone who uses clamav uses the one from RPMforge.

Its a lot tidier and actually works out the box, and has a service set
up for clamd

The fedora one is well known for its awfulness

Dunc


Thank You for the hint!

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Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Steven W. Orr
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On 07/12/09 12:47, quoth Les:

> Hi, Steven,
>   The point about the envelope is a good one.  It is a point I never
> considered.  But g's attitude doesn't make me fond of signing, in fact
> it does more to discourage users of messaging services to not use PGP or
> SMIME to sign messages.  His actions slow access, disturb the flow of
> work and as you pointed out is generally rude to the users of the list.
> As to someone signing messages to look like him I don't see how that
> could happen, because the messages would have to be signed using his
> private key, unless he posted the private key as well.

I would not suggest that people be discouraged from signing because of nitwits
like G. So far, he has been the only one.

>   In any event, even your signature shows up as "Valid signature, but
> cannot verify sender" on my evolution.  I have checked before to see
> what servers are searched and it appeared correct, but since it cannot
> "verify sender", what does that really tell me?  If the email were
> business related I would be suspicious the first few times, then forget
> about it as regards your emails, but wouldn't that weaken the process?

Correct. I don't know you and you don't know me. Maybe someday we can each
participate in a keysigning and then we will trust each other and the Web Of
Trust will grow.

> 
>   In short, the problem I see with signatures right now, is the process
> is not well documented, and has more players than should be necessary.
> I don't know the solution, but the problems are somewhat self evident.
> If I cannot decipher some sigs, and cannot verify others, then what
> value is the process, and why would I add that overhead if it doesn't
> bring some real benefit.  I am not trolling here, just stating the case
> as I see it.

The process is extremely well documented. Besides all of the online docs, I
recommend PGP and GPG by Michael W. Lucas. He did a nice job of it. Please
don't forget that the history of crypto is quite bloody. Lots of people have
died for this stuff. Mary Queen of Scots lost her head because of lousy
crypto. Galous was murdered by his math professors over it. Alan Turing
committed suicide in part because his government would not help him when he
was charged with homosexuality, even though he should have gotten most of the
credit for cracking the Enigma machine. And Phil Zimmerman (2 m's and 1 n
please) gets credit for putting it all together so it's simple for the common
man to use, but he spent two years being prosecuted by the Feds until someone
posted the code to Usenet.

So if you want to read Applied Crypto by Schneier then you'll see that it's
not impossible to read, but the books and docs that target Joe Q. Public are
out there.

>   One might make it more robust and not pass on unregistered emails, nor
> those that do not pass verification (whatever that may end up being).

I made a choice to verify/decryot messages when read. A GPG plugin could be
added to spamassassin. Lots of stuff we can already do. It could get better
but not by much.

>   But that would be the end of spammers as they would have to register,
> and be verified.  There are too many interests with cash in hand to make
> that realistic.  Any thoughts?

PGP is not about spam. It's about identity. Totally different issue.


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Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all- 000
individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question?
steveo at syslang.net
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how to install jboss app server on 64-bit fedora 11?

2009-07-13 Thread Robert P. J. Day

  a colleague wants to install a pile of software on top of jboss AS
running on a 64-bit fedora 11 system, so i offered to at least get the
jboss part onto the system.  what's the proper recipe for that?

  i'm perusing jboss.org right now, but i've also read about
installing the proper yum repo file (related to jpackage.org) and
using yum for this.  i'm totally unfamiliar with jboss so feel free to
assume i'm a complete idiot WRT jboss and give me advice.

  i can confirm that the system at least has java/openjdk on it:

$ rpm -qa "*jdk*"
java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0-22.b16.fc11.x86_64
java-1.6.0-openjdk-javadoc-1.6.0.0-22.b16.fc11.x86_64
java-1.6.0-openjdk-devel-1.6.0.0-22.b16.fc11.x86_64
java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin-1.6.0.0-22.b16.fc11.x86_64
$




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Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Rick Sewill
On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 12:22 -0400, Steven W. Orr wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> On 07/12/09 19:05, quoth Rick Sewill:
> 
> > My thought is to pgp sign my mail.
> > 
> > Those who know me, who have spoken to me over the phone and have
> > received mail from me, can save my signature from my mail and know the
> > mail, and any future mail with that signature, is from me.
> 
> HOLD ON THERE BULLWINKLE!!!
> 
> Every message you send will have a different signature. Your signature is a
> function of the content of your message and your private key. It can only be
> verified using your public key. Saving a signature is of no value.
> 
> Signing a message says three things:
> 
> * You're reading a message from me, whoever I am.
> * I can never say that I never said it (non-repudiation).
> * The message is intact. It was not modified.
> 
> > Those who do not know me will have a valid, verified, but untrusted
> > signature.  If these people have a problem with my mail, they should be
> > able to track me down through my signature.
> 
> Not true. Public keys are not the same as a signature.
> 
> > If one receives mail that purports to be from me, and doesn't
> > have a signature or does have a signature, but not my signature,
> > I can claim I didn't send the mail, and hopefully, the person
> > who created the signature can be tracked down through their
> > signature.  I assume the key servers keep a log indicating what Internet
> > address was used to register what signature and those records can be
> > accessed if one can get a court order.
> 
> Not true and they do not.
> 
> - --
> Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have  .0.
> happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ ..0
> Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all- 000
> individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question?
> steveo at syslang.net
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
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> Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org
> 
> iEYEARECAAYFAkpbX1sACgkQRIVy4fC+NyRk8gCgir7aIHlJg5cmeQzqQcJOhoY4
> uHIAn3v8Dzqwn4WWYExziEFnQeNVan0F
> =vcfY
> -END PGP SIGNATURE-
> 

I stand corrected.  I was using signature and pgp public key
interchangeably.  Shame on me.

Steve, when I click on your signature, I can extract your public DSA
public key, F0BE3724, see that it is verified, because you registered it
with the pgp servers (Thank you for registering!), but untrusted by me,
and if I wish to take further steps, I could trust what you sign.

This is a good example where we could build a trust relationship if we
took further steps.

-Rick



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Re: F11: Blender and the i915 driver

2009-07-13 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Marco Guazzone wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> It seems that the i915 driver of the kernel shipped with 
F11
> (2.6.29.5-191.fc11.x86_64) has some problems.
> 
> When I start blender (v, 2.49a) my X will completely 
freeze!
> 
> Looking in /var/log/messages:
> 
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: [ cut here 
]
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: kernel BUG at
> drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915_gem.c:2136!
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: invalid opcode:  [#1] 
SMP
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: last sysfs file:
> 
/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0A:00/power_supply/BAT0/charge_full
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: CPU 1
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: Modules linked in: fuse 
ipv6
> cpufreq_ondemand acpi_cpufreq freq_table dm_multipath 
kvm_intel kvm
> uinput arc4 ecb snd_hda_codec_idt iwl3945 firewire_ohci 
snd_hda_intel
> firewire_core snd_hda_codec snd_hwdep mac80211 snd_pcm 
yenta_socket
> tg3 rsrc_nonstatic i2c_i801 snd_timer snd iTCO_wdt 
soundcore
> iTCO_vendor_support snd_page_alloc wmi pcspkr crc_itu_t 
lib80211
> cfg80211 dell_laptop joydev dcdbas i915 drm i2c_algo_bit 
i2c_core
> video output [last unloaded: microcode]
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: Pid: 2162, comm: blender 
Not tainted
> 2.6.29.5-191.fc11.x86_64 #1 Latitude D830
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: RIP: 0010:
[]
> [] 
i915_gem_object_get_fence_reg+0x221/0x61e [i915]
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: RSP: :88006c915be8  
EFLAGS:
> 00010202 Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: RAX: 
1524 RBX:
> 88006f88d480 RCX: 0010
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: RDX: 2a02 RSI:
> 1524 RDI: 88006f88d240
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: RBP: 88006c915c28 R08:
> 0004 R09: 88007d5ae1f0
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: R10: 0200 R11:
> 0040 R12: 88006f88d3c0
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: R13: 88007d5ae000 R14:
> 88006f88d600 R15: 88007d5ac000
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: FS:  
7fb7540f1780()
> GS:88007f001f00() knlGS:
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: CS:  0010 DS:  ES: 
 CR0:
> 80050033
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: CR2: 7fb7540fc000 CR3:
> 6c813000 CR4: 26e0
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: DR0:  DR1:
>  DR2: 
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: DR3:  DR6:
> 0ff0 DR7: 0400
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: Process blender (pid: 
2162,
> threadinfo 88006c914000, task 88006a92)
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: Stack:
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: 88006c915c38 
88007d5ae1f0
> 88007d5ac020 88006f88d600
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: 88007d5ac020 
88006f88d480
> 88006f9c2580 88006c915ce8
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: 88006c915c98 
a00610d3
> 88006c915c68 7fb7540fc000
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: Call Trace:
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: []
> i915_gem_fault+0xc1/0x136 [i915]
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: []
> __do_fault+0x55/0x3d5 Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel:
> [] ? agp_flush_chipset+0x1b/0x1d
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: [] ?
> i915_gem_object_flush_cpu_write_domain+0x26/0x32 [i915]
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: []
> handle_mm_fault+0x349/0x7c5
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: []
> do_page_fault+0x5b5/0x9e9 Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel:
> [] ? unlock_kernel+0x2f/0x32 Jul 13 
15:15:35 feedback
> kernel: [] ? vfs_ioctl+0x76/0x87 Jul 13 
15:15:35
> feedback kernel: [] ? 
do_vfs_ioctl+0x462/0x4a3 Jul 13
> 15:15:35 feedback kernel: [] ?
> trace_hardirqs_off_thunk+0x3a/0x6c Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback 
kernel:
> [] page_fault+0x25/0x30 Jul 13 15:15:35 
feedback kernel:
> Code: ff e8 35 e9 ff ff 85 c0 0f 84 b3 fe ff ff e9 06 04 00 
00 41 83 7c 24
> 20 00 75 10 48 8b 55 c8 48 8b 02 f7 40 70 be ff ff ff 74 04 
<0f> 0b eb fe
> 49 8b bf 38 01 00 00 48 8b 70 38 48 85 ff 74 1a 48
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: RIP  []
> i915_gem_object_get_fence_reg+0x221/0x61e [i915]
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: RSP 
> Jul 13 15:15:35 feedback kernel: ---[ end trace 
77c31c0b3328e17f ]---
> 
> I looked at the kenerloops.org site and I've found many 
bugs related
> to i915 but I'm not sure that mine is included
> 
> 
> Should I submit a bug? ... and where?
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> -- Marco
> 
It is possible that it is this bug:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=496614

The workaround is to disable modesetting. I think it might be 
fixed in rawhide with the recent X server. The unfortunate 
side effect of the workaround is that you will also lose 
plasma compositing functionality.

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Re: Triple boot windows, fedora, and rawhide

2009-07-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 04:47:50 -0500,
  Mike Chambers  wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 06:15 +, g wrote:
> 
> > what ever you decide, do make a recovery boot disk or usb memory. you can
> > use rescue mode from install cd/dvd, but there are times when it does not
> > work.
> 
> I have and/or know how to make a rescue cd so I have backup ways to boot
> when necessary.  Thanks for the info.

Burn the netinst.iso or boot.iso image to a CD.

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Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Fennix
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Rick Sewill  wrote:

> On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 12:22 -0400, Steven W. Orr wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > On 07/12/09 19:05, quoth Rick Sewill:
> >
> > > My thought is to pgp sign my mail.
> > >
> > > Those who know me, who have spoken to me over the phone and have
> > > received mail from me, can save my signature from my mail and know the
> > > mail, and any future mail with that signature, is from me.
> >
> > HOLD ON THERE BULLWINKLE!!!
> >
> > Every message you send will have a different signature. Your signature is
> a
> > function of the content of your message and your private key. It can only
> be
> > verified using your public key. Saving a signature is of no value.
> >
> > Signing a message says three things:
> >
> > * You're reading a message from me, whoever I am.
> > * I can never say that I never said it (non-repudiation).
> > * The message is intact. It was not modified.
> >
> > > Those who do not know me will have a valid, verified, but untrusted
> > > signature.  If these people have a problem with my mail, they should be
> > > able to track me down through my signature.
> >
> > Not true. Public keys are not the same as a signature.
> >
> > > If one receives mail that purports to be from me, and doesn't
> > > have a signature or does have a signature, but not my signature,
> > > I can claim I didn't send the mail, and hopefully, the person
> > > who created the signature can be tracked down through their
> > > signature.  I assume the key servers keep a log indicating what
> Internet
> > > address was used to register what signature and those records can be
> > > accessed if one can get a court order.
> >
> > Not true and they do not.
> >
> > - --
> > Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have
>  .0.
> > happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say
> Organ ..0
> > Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are
> all- 000
> > individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question?
> > steveo at syslang.net
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
> > Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (GNU/Linux)
> > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org
> >
> > iEYEARECAAYFAkpbX1sACgkQRIVy4fC+NyRk8gCgir7aIHlJg5cmeQzqQcJOhoY4
> > uHIAn3v8Dzqwn4WWYExziEFnQeNVan0F
> > =vcfY
> > -END PGP SIGNATURE-
> >
>
> I stand corrected.  I was using signature and pgp public key
> interchangeably.  Shame on me.
>
> Steve, when I click on your signature, I can extract your public DSA
> public key, F0BE3724, see that it is verified, because you registered it
> with the pgp servers (Thank you for registering!), but untrusted by me,
> and if I wish to take further steps, I could trust what you sign.
>
> This is a good example where we could build a trust relationship if we
> took further steps.
>
> -Rick
>
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Somehow I am disappointed to see all of this.  G does not write often but
does so when he does think that it is worth offering a usefull contribution
to a problem at hand.  For some to try and to tar him with the
association/way of doing things such as Karl definitely is in error.  He is
far more knowledgeable about Unix and Linux than Karl and has show this in
his emails.  He does not write as Karl has done to complain of many issues
based on incomplete understanding of Linux and specifically of Fedora.
 Normally I only see G's responses when he is offering useful information to
some question at hand.  I am not sure I have ever seen him complain except
in response to an email (perhaps unreasonably) attacking him on some
question.
He does have the support of Ann Wilson (a message long ago) and she is one
that is close to the top of my list of "respected" posters to this group.
 David, I do understand the basis of your complaint regarding delays caused
by usage of GPG public keys which are not registered which leads to very
lengthy delays, and I also can see from G's response his reasoning for his
current way of sending emails to this list using a GPG signature (key
offered on request (manual)).  I would be very sorry to not have the
privelage of G's advice on this list as it always has been usefull and
concise Hopefully we can all be more open minded on this question.
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Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Steven W. Orr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On 07/13/09 13:03, quoth Rick Sewill:

> Steve, when I click on your signature, I can extract your public DSA
> public key, F0BE3724, see that it is verified, because you registered it
> with the pgp servers (Thank you for registering!), but untrusted by me,
> and if I wish to take further steps, I could trust what you sign.

> This is a good example where we could build a trust relationship if we
> took further steps.

Exactly. Don't you just love the English language with all of its ambiguities?
 We smell, which can imply that we are receptors of quantum bad smelling
particles called fartons, or we can be emitters of said particles. Context
counts. In the wild and wooly world of PGP, Trust is not about whether I trust
you with my money. Trust is only about whether I trust that your key actually
belongs to you. If you're not in the vicinity of Framingham MA then it's not
likely that we will be able to show each other two pieces of government issued
picture ID, but if you know someone who is in the area and have mutually
signed each others' keys then he and I could sign keys and then you could
update your copy of my public key and see that I trust him and you trust him
so you can trust me.

- --
Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have  .0.
happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ ..0
Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all- 000
individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question?
steveo at syslang.net
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Re: Fedora 11: Switching to single user mode (runlevel 1) -- Hey g.

2009-07-13 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Tim wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-07-12 at 22:24 -0400, David wrote:
>> I see. You would expect me to ask, please send me your public GnuPG
>> key, from someone I asked publicly and politely to post it or stop
>> signing. From someone who then publicly attacked me and insulted me
>> and said rude things to me and to the list about me.
> 
> I'd expect you (or anyone else) to ask someone if they can publish their
> key, or send it to you, and accept whatever the outcome was.  I don't
> expect someone to demand someone else stop signing mail, or demand
> anything else, *THAT* is rude.  And you can expect rude demands to be
> replied to with a similar lack of courtesy.
> 
> Don't get your knickers in a twist if you get insulted after being rude
> to someone.
> 
The only person that I can seeing being rude is G. He was asked to
either publish his public key, or stop signing his messages to the
list. A reasonable request if he wants to be part of the com unity.
He could even have posted an ASCII armored copy of his public key to
the list. But he demanded that we send him an email asking for his
key. This is being polite? Get real...

But I guess asking anyone to be a good list member is not acceptable
on this list any more. If you point out the list guidelines and ask
that people follow them, you are labeled a NET NAZI. Politeness is
sadly lacking from some members. It has the net affect of driving
people away, or turning some of the more knowable people into
lurkers. (jdow, for example.)

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Re: Does Iced Tea Web Start work on Fedora 10? What about Fedora 11?

2009-07-13 Thread Deepak Bhole
* Gianluca Sforna  [2009-07-13 03:31]:
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Rick Sewill wrote:
> > Step 2 - Complete your setup fails when I use Iced Tea Web Start on
> > Fedora 10.  I click Configuration Room to test my connection, the
> > web page changes to a web page with, "Launching Elluminate Live...",
> > and a pop-up asks me what I should use to open meeting.jnlp.
> > If I select "Iced Tea Web Start (default)", nothing happens.
> 
> Same here on Fedora 11
> 
> >
> > I guess I am asking if other people can get Ice Tea Web Start to work.
> > I'm hoping to get a clue what I am doing wrong so it will work for me.
> 
> On the Sun's download page there's a footnote saying:
> 
> * Please use the 32-bit version for Java applet and Java Web Start support.
> 
> so my guess is elluminate (and other webstart based sites like webex)
> expects and works only with the 32 bit variant.
>

You are correct. Elluminate uses JNI code and the accompanying .so's are
32-bit only. It cannot work with any 64-bit JVM (IcedTea or Sun).
It does work with the 32-bit IcedTea though.
 
> Now the question is whether it is possible to install the openjdk 32
> bit java plugin in a 64 bit OS...
> 

Unfortunately, that is not possible at this time.

Deepak

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Re: why would i lose sound entirely every so often?

2009-07-13 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Chris wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:14:21 +0930
> Tim  wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 2009-07-12 at 06:04 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>>>   another data point -- i did a "killall firefox", started another
>>> instance which promptly restored all my tabs including the youtube
>>> one and, voila, i have sound.  i'm still confused.
>> Flash using the sound system directly, rather than sharing it through
>> pulseaudio, and hogging it all to itself?
>>
>> I've experienced the same sort of thing, occasionally.
>>
> 
> Gotta love using the Beta playground for RedHat!
> 
Yup - Also would give you an error message saying that the sound
device was being used by another program, so you could start looking
for another program that was using sound.

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Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Fennix wrote:

> Somehow I am disappointed to see all of this.  G does not write often
> but does so when he does think that it is worth offering a usefull
> contribution to a problem at hand.  For some to try and to tar him with
> the association/way of doing things such as Karl definitely is in error.
>  He is far more knowledgeable about Unix and Linux than Karl and has
> show this in his emails.  He does not write as Karl has done to complain
> of many issues based on incomplete understanding of Linux and
> specifically of Fedora.  Normally I only see G's responses when he is
> offering useful information to some question at hand.  I am not sure I
> have ever seen him complain except in response to an email (perhaps
> unreasonably) attacking him on some question.
> He does have the support of Ann Wilson (a message long ago) and she is
> one that is close to the top of my list of "respected" posters to this
> group.  David, I do understand the basis of your complaint regarding
> delays caused by usage of GPG public keys which are not registered which
> leads to very lengthy delays, and I also can see from G's response his
> reasoning for his current way of sending emails to this list using a GPG
> signature (key offered on request (manual)).  I would be very sorry to
> not have the privelage of G's advice on this list as it always has been
> usefull and concise Hopefully we can all be more open minded on this
> question.
> Fennix

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Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Aaron Konstam wrote:
> I guess it is a matter of philosophy. I think signing mail to a list is
> a waste of time and space.
> 
> On the fedora list what difference does it make if the poster is really
> who he says he is, I could understand if the poster was selling me
> something but any ideas he or she sells are either valid and useful or
> they are not; no matter who they are.
> 
Well, one place it matters is when you are given advice, you have a
better idea if you can trust it if you know it came from the same
person who has given good advice in the past. You also know it isn't
someone playing a nasty joke. But that is just my take on it. (I
started signing my messages when someone pulled that on another
list.) But it is only effective if people can actually verify that
you signed the message and that the message has not been modified.

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Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Steven W. Orr
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On 07/13/09 13:43, quoth Fennix:

> Somehow I am disappointed to see all of this.  G does not write often but
> does so when he does think that it is worth offering a usefull contribution
> to a problem at hand.  For some to try and to tar him with the
> association/way of doing things such as Karl definitely is in error.  He is
> far more knowledgeable about Unix and Linux than Karl and has show this in
> his emails.  He does not write as Karl has done to complain of many issues
> based on incomplete understanding of Linux and specifically of Fedora.
>  Normally I only see G's responses when he is offering useful information to
> some question at hand.  I am not sure I have ever seen him complain except
> in response to an email (perhaps unreasonably) attacking him on some
> question.
> He does have the support of Ann Wilson (a message long ago) and she is one
> that is close to the top of my list of "respected" posters to this group.
>  David, I do understand the basis of your complaint regarding delays caused
> by usage of GPG public keys which are not registered which leads to very
> lengthy delays, and I also can see from G's response his reasoning for his
> current way of sending emails to this list using a GPG signature (key
> offered on request (manual)).  I would be very sorry to not have the
> privelage of G's advice on this list as it always has been usefull and
> concise Hopefully we can all be more open minded on this question.
> Fennix

I am mystified as to what you're trying to say. G is blacklisted by a few
people now because of his lack of respect or understanding of how email works
in general and PGP in particular. You have the option of not blacklisting his
address.

Sometimes people do things on the net that are considered to be minor
violations of social protocols. This is all a part of being civilized. Posting
html, top posting, not reducing quoted text, these are all examples of how
people can get legitimately irritated. Other examples include things like
having Subject lines that say "Help" or "Hi" when they're trying to get
assistance with a video card that's not talking well with F11.

But what G did was much worse. He insisted on putting a little bomb in his
mail that causes a number of us to just plain hang for periods that are
measured in minutes, not just once, but for every message that he sends and
for every time that we try to read it. Having a lack of respect for other
people's time is way high up on my list of things that make me go out of my
way to resort to blacklisting.

I'm pretty knowledgeable in a number of areas too, and I would expect that
when I make a social gaff like that, that people would let me know so I could
correct it. Instead, G explained why he is *not* going to publish his public
key. If his key is published and someone else informs us of that happy event
then I'd be happy to unblacklist him. Till then, it doesn't matter how smart,
rich, handsome, famous or whatever else is marvelous about him. My time is
more important.

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Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Steven W. Orr wrote:
> 
> Sometimes people do things on the net that are considered to be minor
> violations of social protocols. This is all a part of being civilized. Posting
> html, top posting, not reducing quoted text, these are all examples of how
> people can get legitimately irritated. Other examples include things like
> having Subject lines that say "Help" or "Hi" when they're trying to get
> assistance with a video card that's not talking well with F11.
> 
> But what G did was much worse. He insisted on putting a little bomb in his
> mail that causes a number of us to just plain hang for periods that are
> measured in minutes, not just once, but for every message that he sends and
> for every time that we try to read it. Having a lack of respect for other
> people's time is way high up on my list of things that make me go out of my
> way to resort to blacklisting.
> 
You know, there is a simple fix to this - someone that has G's
public key could upload it to a keyserver. Now, if someone
wanted to be nasty, they could upload a fake public key with his
email address. Then if there is anything to SPAMmers mining the
keyservers for e-mail addresses, the would get the flood of SPAM
anyway.

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Re: simple LDAP for address book?

2009-07-13 Thread Bradley

On 07/13/2009 10:44 AM, Aly Dharshi wrote:

On 07/13/2009 09:37 AM, Bradley wrote:

Let me know when you figure this out. I've wanted to do something
similar but also got bogged down by T.M.I. for something simple I wanted
to do.


Shouldn't something like Thunderbird + Addressbooks Synchronizer + an 
imap folder suffice for this ? Why would you want to use a directory 
server for this, that would be over kill no ?

Actually not.

We have multiple logins on my home system with, varying system rights 
and privileges, but we all way to share the same address books for 
varying reasons.  So, I need to set up a shareable address book between 
the accounts with only one administrator of those lists.  This seemed to 
be the logical answer to this problem.


Bradley

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Re: Does Iced Tea Web Start work on Fedora 10? What about Fedora 11?

2009-07-13 Thread Rick Sewill
On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 13:51 -0400, Deepak Bhole wrote:
> * Gianluca Sforna  [2009-07-13 03:31]:
> > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Rick Sewill wrote:
> > > Step 2 - Complete your setup fails when I use Iced Tea Web Start on
> > > Fedora 10.  I click Configuration Room to test my connection, the
> > > web page changes to a web page with, "Launching Elluminate Live...",
> > > and a pop-up asks me what I should use to open meeting.jnlp.
> > > If I select "Iced Tea Web Start (default)", nothing happens.
> > 
> > Same here on Fedora 11
> > 
> > >
> > > I guess I am asking if other people can get Ice Tea Web Start to work.
> > > I'm hoping to get a clue what I am doing wrong so it will work for me.
> > 
> > On the Sun's download page there's a footnote saying:
> > 
> > * Please use the 32-bit version for Java applet and Java Web Start support.
> > 
> > so my guess is elluminate (and other webstart based sites like webex)
> > expects and works only with the 32 bit variant.
> >
> 
> You are correct. Elluminate uses JNI code and the accompanying .so's are
> 32-bit only. It cannot work with any 64-bit JVM (IcedTea or Sun).
> It does work with the 32-bit IcedTea though.
>  
> > Now the question is whether it is possible to install the openjdk 32
> > bit java plugin in a 64 bit OS...
> > 
> 
> Unfortunately, that is not possible at this time.
> 
> Deepak
> 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Gianluca Sforna
> > 
> > http://morefedora.blogspot.com
> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/gianlucasforna
> > 
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Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread David
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On 7/13/2009 1:43 PM, Fennix wrote:
>big snip<


> Somehow I am disappointed to see all of this.  G does not write often
> but does so when he does think that it is worth offering a usefull
> contribution to a problem at hand.  For some to try and to tar him with
> the association/way of doing things such as Karl definitely is in error.
>  He is far more knowledgeable about Unix and Linux than Karl and has
> show this in his emails.  He does not write as Karl has done to complain
> of many issues based on incomplete understanding of Linux and
> specifically of Fedora.  Normally I only see G's responses when he is
> offering useful information to some question at hand.  I am not sure I
> have ever seen him complain except in response to an email (perhaps
> unreasonably) attacking him on some question.
> He does have the support of Ann Wilson (a message long ago) and she is
> one that is close to the top of my list of "respected" posters to this
> group.  David, I do understand the basis of your complaint regarding
> delays caused by usage of GPG public keys which are not registered which
> leads to very lengthy delays, and I also can see from G's response his
> reasoning for his current way of sending emails to this list using a GPG
> signature (key offered on request (manual)).  I would be very sorry to
> not have the privelage of G's advice on this list as it always has been
> usefull and concise Hopefully we can all be more open minded on this
> question.
> Fennix


I reply only because I am mentioned by name.

I asked politely and gave a reason for my request. He replied with
name-calling and insults. I don't sign post to mailing lists. My keys, I
have several for different reasons and email address, are posted. I also
have a very private key which I have only given to certain people. I
would never use that for anyone but them.

I hope he offers you many and useful tips and pointers in the future.

I no longer care what he does.

End of Thread.

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Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Steven W. Orr
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On 07/13/09 14:21, quoth Mikkel L. Ellertson:

> You know, there is a simple fix to this - someone that has G's
> public key could upload it to a keyserver. Now, if someone
> wanted to be nasty, they could upload a fake public key with his
> email address. Then if there is anything to SPAMmers mining the
> keyservers for e-mail addresses, the would get the flood of SPAM
> anyway.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Another established part of the etiquette is to
never upload someone else's key without explicit permission. Lots of
keyservers don't do subkeys and you don't really have the implicit permission
to overwrite signatures on those machines. To do so would be at least as rude
as not publishing a public key that's needed to verify a signature in a public
mailing list.

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Network Sound - good doc?

2009-07-13 Thread Bill Davidsen
Can anyone point me at a good doc for network sound? I would like to send sound 
from modern application versions on FC11 to some release where sound works, 
preferably FC6, where I have fully functional sound.


Presumably there's a doc better than what Google finds.

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Setting up OpenVPN semi-manually

2009-07-13 Thread Bill Davidsen
I have a VPN gateway using OpenVPN, running a custom distribution. It has keys 
which were generated by hand, installed by hand, etc. It has no GUI, no X, 
firewall only.


I am looking for a doc on how I take a key from a file on the server, and 
install it using the NetworkManager. Just poking the GUI didn't make it obvious, 
I got one working by taking NM out and installing by hand using my Slackware 
notes, but that's really ugly.


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Re: Does Iced Tea Web Start work on Fedora 10? What about Fedora 11?

2009-07-13 Thread Christopher A. Williams
On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 13:27 -0500, Rick Sewill wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 13:51 -0400, Deepak Bhole wrote:
> > * Gianluca Sforna  [2009-07-13 03:31]:
> > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Rick Sewill wrote:
> > > > Step 2 - Complete your setup fails when I use Iced Tea Web Start on
> > > > Fedora 10.  I click Configuration Room to test my connection, the
> > > > web page changes to a web page with, "Launching Elluminate Live...",
> > > > and a pop-up asks me what I should use to open meeting.jnlp.
> > > > If I select "Iced Tea Web Start (default)", nothing happens.
> > > 
> > > Same here on Fedora 11
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > I guess I am asking if other people can get Ice Tea Web Start to work.
> > > > I'm hoping to get a clue what I am doing wrong so it will work for me.
> > > 
> > > On the Sun's download page there's a footnote saying:
> > > 
> > > * Please use the 32-bit version for Java applet and Java Web Start 
> > > support.
> > > 
> > > so my guess is elluminate (and other webstart based sites like webex)
> > > expects and works only with the 32 bit variant.
> > >
> > 
> > You are correct. Elluminate uses JNI code and the accompanying .so's are
> > 32-bit only. It cannot work with any 64-bit JVM (IcedTea or Sun).
> > It does work with the 32-bit IcedTea though.
> >  
> > > Now the question is whether it is possible to install the openjdk 32
> > > bit java plugin in a 64 bit OS...
> > > 
> > 
> > Unfortunately, that is not possible at this time.
> > 
> Thank you for your responses.

Sorry - I just picked up on this thread.

In fact, Webstart packages on F11 x64 ARE INDEED supposed to work. I
have been dealing with this very issue.

The problem is there is a bug in the current version of OpenJDK. It's
fixed in an upcoming update. If you want it now, the packages can be had
from:
http://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0-24.b16.fc11

The corresponding Bugzilla is:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=507870

I can vaouch that my F11 x64 system with these updated patches runs my
Elluminate Live sessions famously.

Worth looking into.

Cheers,

Chris

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Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread g
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

> The whole point of PGP-style signatures is the "web of trust". If you

true. tho, if you email someone and they send you their pgp sig, then you
can feel reasonably certain that pgp sig is from them.

> The point of key servers is not to verify anything, it's to make keys
> easily accessible.

as i stated previously, i have used a key server. i also got an increase
threefold of spam, which happened within a few days of registering key.

key servers are a very good idea. they just need to be more restrictive of
how information is passed out. which is something that would be very hard
to do.

> And in conclusion: the use of signatures (even registered ones) on
> large, essentially anonymous, mailing lists is at best debatable.

i agree with this also, and as i stated in other posts, an attempt was made
to forge my pgp sig and it was caught by list server. therefore, in my case
use of a pgp sig stopped what could have been a very undesirable incident.
so, it can and did happen. i still have, some where, notice that i received.

if you are still in question as to advantage of pgp sigs, i would be happy
to look for it and post it so that all can see that there are times when
having a pgp sig does work.

i even asked list moderators if it was possible to inform me of what was
sent, but i was told that such was done automatically by server and there
was no way to recover email.

i accept your points, but only with a view as you make. from my view, i do
find use of a pgp sig to be beneficial.

in closing, please understand, i do not use a sig or pgp sign my post to
cause discontent. they are for a purpose and so far, that purpose is and
has being serving the intent. if a few can not understand this, then there
is nothing that i can/will do to bring them to a better understanding.


> PS I highly recommend a Stanford paper from a few years back, entitled
> "Why Johnny Can't Encrypt". Google for it, it's very illuminating.

i found this thru google search and did pull a pdf. i have not read all of
it yet, but i do intend to.

again, as always, i thank you for your input, as i do hold you in high regard.

also, please excuse delay in my reply. noise level was high and i wanted to
let it settle down some.

later.

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Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread g
Fennix wrote:

> Somehow I am disappointed to see all of this.  G does not write often but
> does so when he does think that it is worth offering a usefull contribution

i thank you for your support. even if it was 'text/html'. :)

i am not aware of 'karl', from what you say about him, i appreciate that you
do not hold me in same realm.

i have been with unix from early s100 days and linux from early days just
after slackware on floppy and red hat from their 1st cd's.

i do not consider myself as highly knowledge of linux and i know that there
is a lot i am still to learn. when i see a post that i feel that i can help
with, i will reply.

a couple of times i have been a little 'off base' with my reply and when i
have been corrected or further informed, i have been appreciative.

i agree with you about anne wilson. i know her from when she first started
with linux and i hold her in high regard. i have kidded her a few times, but
all in all, i do like her and believe that she has accomplished very much
with her learning.

as for david, this whole situation could have been avoided if his attitude
had been different from start. granted, i did not respond he wished and i
do believe that this is very much a part of why he has reacted as he has.

he needs to mature and gain a better understanding of how to deal with
people. not be child like and act as he has because he did not get his
way and i did not conform to his wishes.

if he and others do not care for my sig and use of a pgp sig and wish to
filter me, fine. that is their right. filter all they want.

thank you for your response.

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Re: Does Iced Tea Web Start work on Fedora 10? What about Fedora 11?

2009-07-13 Thread M A Young

On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Deepak Bhole wrote:


Now the question is whether it is possible to install the openjdk 32
bit java plugin in a 64 bit OS...



Unfortunately, that is not possible at this time.


I would have thought the it was possible, if you manually downloaded 
java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin-1.6.0.0-22.b16.fc11.i586.rpm and 
java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0-22.b16.fc11.i586.rpm from i386 Fedora 
updates and then did a yum localinstall java*rpm . Those packages would 
probably clash with their x86_64 versions, but if they weren't installed I 
would have thought it would work in the same way that most i586 
applications would work on x86_64.


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Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Steven W. Orr wrote:
> On 07/13/09 14:21, quoth Mikkel L. Ellertson:
> 
>> You know, there is a simple fix to this - someone that has G's
>> public key could upload it to a keyserver. Now, if someone
>> wanted to be nasty, they could upload a fake public key with his
>> email address. Then if there is anything to SPAMmers mining the
>> keyservers for e-mail addresses, the would get the flood of SPAM
>> anyway.
> 
> Two wrongs don't make a right. Another established part of the etiquette is to
> never upload someone else's key without explicit permission. Lots of
> keyservers don't do subkeys and you don't really have the implicit permission
> to overwrite signatures on those machines. To do so would be at least as rude
> as not publishing a public key that's needed to verify a signature in a public
> mailing list.
> 
If your mail setup is anything like mine, there is an option to
upload public keys. While I am fairly sure I wouldn't make the
mistake of uploading his key, I can see it happening. Because I do
not have his public key, at least I can not be blamed for doing it.

As far as uploading a fake key, will interesting to contemplate, I
wouldn't actually do it. I am just a bit more responsible that that.

Though I am starting to wounder why I adhere to proper net
etiquette. It seams like fewer people are following it, and if you
point out proper net etiquette, you get branded a LIST NAZI or TOP
POSTING NAZI. I guess it is a crime to ask others to be polite and
follow community guidelines.

My post was half serious, half joking. Kind of a hint about where
throwing out net etiquette can lead. After all, if all of us decided
that net etiquette didn't apply to us, then behavior I posted would
be just as acceptable as G's.

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Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 18:53 +, g wrote:
> if you are still in question as to advantage of pgp sigs, i would be
> happy
> to look for it and post it so that all can see that there are times
> when
> having a pgp sig does work.

Whether it works or not is not the issue. The issue is "what does it
work for?", i.e. "what is the appropriate use?".

Needham and Schroeder famously said that anyone who thinks his problem
will be solved by cryptography hasn't understood his problem, and hasn't
understood cryptography. As with most aphorisms you can debate the
details, but there is a grain of truth in it. What one needs to ask
oneself is "what is the problem I'm trying to solve with this?". My
point is that issues of identity theft or repudiation in mailing lists
like this one have thus far had no practical relevance. I asked before
if anyone could point to a specific case on this list. I still don't
have an answer (you said you had one but it was stopped by list
management, i.e. the use of signatures simply didn't arise).

IOW my view is that signatures *on mailing lists such as this one* are
essentially a waste of time. Signatures on personal and highly sensitive
messages is a completely different issue, but in that case you'll find
you invariably want to use encryption as well as signing.

poc

PS BTW, an excellent layman's history of crypto is Simon Singh's "The
Codebook".

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Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 19:17:48 +,
  g  wrote:
> Fennix wrote:
> 
> > Somehow I am disappointed to see all of this.  G does not write often but
> > does so when he does think that it is worth offering a usefull contribution
> 
> i thank you for your support. even if it was 'text/html'. :)

It was a multipart message. You should be able to override the sender's
preference and display text/plain in preference to text/html (or just not
display text/html parts inline).

That way even though the extra bandwidth is wasted, you at least get to see the
part you are interested in.

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Re: Does Iced Tea Web Start work on Fedora 10? What about Fedora 11?

2009-07-13 Thread Deepak Bhole
* Christopher A. Williams  [2009-07-13 15:47]:
> On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 13:27 -0500, Rick Sewill wrote:
> > On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 13:51 -0400, Deepak Bhole wrote:
> > > * Gianluca Sforna  [2009-07-13 03:31]:
> > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Rick Sewill wrote:
> > > > > Step 2 - Complete your setup fails when I use Iced Tea Web Start on
> > > > > Fedora 10.  I click Configuration Room to test my connection, the
> > > > > web page changes to a web page with, "Launching Elluminate Live...",
> > > > > and a pop-up asks me what I should use to open meeting.jnlp.
> > > > > If I select "Iced Tea Web Start (default)", nothing happens.
> > > > 
> > > > Same here on Fedora 11
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess I am asking if other people can get Ice Tea Web Start to work.
> > > > > I'm hoping to get a clue what I am doing wrong so it will work for me.
> > > > 
> > > > On the Sun's download page there's a footnote saying:
> > > > 
> > > > * Please use the 32-bit version for Java applet and Java Web Start 
> > > > support.
> > > > 
> > > > so my guess is elluminate (and other webstart based sites like webex)
> > > > expects and works only with the 32 bit variant.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > You are correct. Elluminate uses JNI code and the accompanying .so's are
> > > 32-bit only. It cannot work with any 64-bit JVM (IcedTea or Sun).
> > > It does work with the 32-bit IcedTea though.
> > >  
> > > > Now the question is whether it is possible to install the openjdk 32
> > > > bit java plugin in a 64 bit OS...
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Unfortunately, that is not possible at this time.
> > > 
> > Thank you for your responses.
> 
> Sorry - I just picked up on this thread.
> 
> In fact, Webstart packages on F11 x64 ARE INDEED supposed to work. I
> have been dealing with this very issue.
> 
> The problem is there is a bug in the current version of OpenJDK. It's
> fixed in an upcoming update. If you want it now, the packages can be had
> from:
> http://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0-24.b16.fc11
> 
> The corresponding Bugzilla is:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=507870
> 
> I can vaouch that my F11 x64 system with these updated patches runs my
> Elluminate Live sessions famously.
> 

Wow, nice! 507870 is not the problem with Elluminate on 64-bit though.
The issue with Elluminate had been that the supplied .so's were 32-bit only. 
I contacted Elluminate support to ask them about 64-bit status a couple 
of months ago and I was told it was 32-bit only at that time. 

Good to know that it supports 64 now as well!

Deepak

> Worth looking into.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Chris
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Re: exim: SELinux

2009-07-13 Thread Frank Chiulli
Nigel,
No reference to boot in the exim.conf.  That was one of the first
things that I checked.

Frank

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 6:06 AM, Nigel
Metheringham wrote:
>
> On 13 Jul 2009, at 13:17, Frank Chiulli wrote:
>>
>> Mail is arriving.  I just get one SELinux message for every mail message.
>>
>> I agree...exim should not be referencing /boot AFAIK.  But I'm not an
>> expert.
>
>
> Without having seen the config I can only make wild guesses...
>
> However the wild guess I would make is that exim is doing a check for
> available space in the spool and log directories, and this is triggering the
> SELinux check on the statvfs() call.
>
> It is a wild guess though :-)
>
> Can you make sure that there are no references to boot in the config files
>
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Re: exim: SELinux

2009-07-13 Thread Frank Chiulli
Here is the original post:

This is a recently installed/patched F11 system.  It was a fresh
install to one disk leaving my home directory untouched on another
disk.  Today, I installed exim and removed sendmail via yum at the
command line.  I am using the same exim.conf file that I had used with
F10 after having compared it to the original one.  I am now receiving
the following message when I attempt to retrieve mail from my ISP:
Jul 12 14:26:36 flinux setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing exim
(exim_t) "getattr" boot_t. For complete SELinux messages. run sealert
-l e699bb55-c0dc-4bbf-a57e-3d82d6dadcad


sealert -l e699bb55-c0dc-4bbf-a57e-3d82d6dadcad
Summary:

SELinux is preventing exim (exim_t) "getattr" boot_t.

Detailed Description:

SELinux denied access requested by exim. It is not expected that this access is
required by exim and this access may signal an intrusion attempt. It is also
possible that the specific version or configuration of the application is
causing it to require additional access.

Allowing Access:

You can generate a local policy module to allow this access - see FAQ
(http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/selinux-faq-fc5/#id2961385) Or you can disable
SELinux protection altogether. Disabling SELinux protection is not recommended.
Please file a bug report (http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi)
against this package.

Additional Information:

Source Contextunconfined_u:system_r:exim_t:s0
Target Contextsystem_u:object_r:boot_t:s0
Target Objects/boot [ dir ]
Sourceexim
Source Path   /usr/sbin/exim
Port  
Host  flinux
Source RPM Packages   exim-4.69-10.fc11
Target RPM Packages   filesystem-2.4.21-1.fc11
Policy RPMselinux-policy-3.6.12-62.fc11
Selinux Enabled   True
Policy Type   targeted
MLS Enabled   True
Enforcing ModeEnforcing
Plugin Name   catchall
Host Name flinux
Platform  Linux flinux 2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i686.PAE #1 SMP Tue
 Jun 16 23:19:53 EDT 2009 i686 athlon
Alert Count   289
First SeenSun Jul 12 14:22:12 2009
Last Seen Sun Jul 12 14:23:53 2009
Local ID  e699bb55-c0dc-4bbf-a57e-3d82d6dadcad
Line Numbers

Raw Audit Messages

node=flinux type=AVC msg=audit(1247433833.210:331): avc:  denied  {
getattr } for  pid=2508 comm="exim" path="/boot" dev=sda1 ino=2
scontext=unconfined_u:system_r:exim_t:s0
tcontext=system_u:object_r:boot_t:s0 tclass=dir

node=flinux type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1247433833.210:331): arch=4003
syscall=195 success=no exit=-13 a0=bfa2e2c2 a1=bfa2e6b8 a2=b7dbfff4
a3=0 items=0 ppid=2447 pid=2508 auid=500 uid=93 gid=93 euid=93 suid=93
fsuid=93 egid=93 sgid=93 fsgid=93 tty=(none) ses=1 comm="exim"
exe="/usr/sbin/exim" subj=unconfined_u:system_r:exim_t:s0 key=(null)

Frank

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> On 07/13/2009 08:24 AM, Frank Chiulli wrote:
>> I realized that just before I received your email and did post to
>> fedora-list.  My mistake and thanks for the heads up.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:22 AM, David JM Emmett 
>> wrote:
>>> Don't mean to be completely rude but doesn't this belong on a support
>>> forum?
>>>
>>> On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 05:17 -0700, Frank Chiulli wrote:
 Didar,
 Mail is arriving.  I just get one SELinux message for every mail message.

 I agree...exim should not be referencing /boot AFAIK.  But I'm not an 
 expert.

 Frank

 On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:14 AM, Didar Hossain 
 wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Frank Chiulli 
> wrote:
>> Thomas,
>> Thanks for the suggestion.  Unfortunately it did not work.  I'm still
>> getting the same error.
>>
>> Frank
> Is Exim not executing it's job as it is supposed to - as in delivery
> of mail is hampered by this error?
>
> I am no SELinux or Exim expert, but, AFAIK the "/boot" directory is
> not supposed to be related to the regular functioning of Exim.
>
> Didar
>
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>>
> I am missing the first email in this chain.  What AVC are you seeing from 
> exim when mail arrives?
>

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Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> 
> It was a multipart message. You should be able to override the sender's
> preference and display text/plain in preference to text/html (or just not
> display text/html parts inline).
> 
> That way even though the extra bandwidth is wasted, you at least get to see 
> the
> part you are interested in.
> 
Right, it does not matter if it follows the list guidelines or not.
That is irrelevant. We should get rid of that pesky link at the
bottom of each message that points to the list guidelines.




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Suddenly I can't mount DVD

2009-07-13 Thread William Case
Hi;

Up to yesterday I could put a disk in my CD/DVD drive and it would
automatically be mounted.  Today 'mount' command and other gui stuff
(like Computer in Gnome) can't find it.

BIOS still shows it.
lshw shows it.

What happened?
Did I inadvertently mess something up?
How do I fix it?

It was never in fstab (as far as I remember) and I am reluctant to try
adding it.


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Re: Suddenly I can't mount DVD

2009-07-13 Thread jack craig

On 07/13/2009 01:28 PM, William Case wrote:

Hi;

Up to yesterday I could put a disk in my CD/DVD drive and it would
automatically be mounted.  Today 'mount' command and other gui stuff
(like Computer in Gnome) can't find it.

BIOS still shows it.
lshw shows it.

What happened?
Did I inadvertently mess something up?
How do I fix it?

It was never in fstab (as far as I remember) and I am reluctant to try
adding it.


   

hi bill,

what is the lshw command you speak of? its no on my fc11???

also, i'd look in /var/log/. for mount related errors...

thx, jackc...

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Re: Suddenly I can't mount DVD

2009-07-13 Thread Sharpe, Sam J
2009/7/13 jack craig :
> what is the lshw command you speak of? its no on my fc11???

Then you haven't installed it... (try 'yum install lshw')

But to answer your question:

[...@samlap ~]$ rpm -qif /usr/sbin/lshw
Name: lshw

Description :
lshw is a small tool to provide detailed informaton on the hardware
configuration of the machine. It can report exact memory configuration,
firmware version, mainboard configuration, CPU version and speed, cache
configuration, bus speed, etc. on DMI-capable x86 systems and on some
PowerPC machines (PowerMac G4 is known to work).

Information can be output in plain text, XML or HTML.

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Re: Suddenly I can't mount DVD

2009-07-13 Thread jack craig

On 07/13/2009 01:48 PM, Sharpe, Sam J wrote:

yum install lshw

i had never heard of this tool, its great! thx for the info, jackc...


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Re: yum runs out of mirrors to try when updating

2009-07-13 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 15:30 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 06:42 +, Amadeus W.M. wrote:
> >> I did a yum update on a fresh F11 install (i386) and yum can't find some 
> >> packages. Does anyone know what's going on?
> > Not yet but I filed bug 510959 about the problem, which persists.
> 
> I don't now the cause, but the problem is obvious:
> The i386-updates repos are broken and none of the people in charge has 
> been able to fix this.
> 
> 
> 
> Ralf
> 
Actually they are working on it in response to bug # 510950
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Re: [Solved] httpd vs. avahi and SELinux in Fedora 11

2009-07-13 Thread Steven F. LeBrun

On 07/13/2009 09:02 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote:

On 07/11/2009 07:06 PM, Steven F. LeBrun wrote:
   

After doing a clean install of Fedora 11, the Apache webserver, httpd
2.2.11, is failing.  The error log [see below] shows that all the httpd
children are killing themselves with Segmentation faults.

Httpd was working fine in Fedora 10, same laptop and I started with a
fresh install of Apache's httpd using the RPM provided for Fedora 11.
At first I thought that maybe it is an SELinux problem.  Then I noticed
in the error_log the following line:

 [error] avahi_entry_group_add_service_strlst("tardis") failed: Local
name collision

The FQHN of my laptop where I am trying to run httpd is
tardis.home.lebruns.com

Question 1:  Is the segmentation faults due to an SELinux policy issue?
I checked the files that should be displayed and their security context
looks correct.  Is there a problem displayed in the first error log line
where it states:

   SELinux policy enabled; httpd running as context
unconfined_u:system_r:httpd_t:s0

Question 2:  Any ideas of what is causing the avahi error message?  What
causes a "Local name collision"?  None of the configuration files
specify the host name that httpd is running on.  [Setting ServiceName
did not change anything.]

Error Log:
[Sat Jul 11 18:50:26 2009] [notice] SELinux policy enabled; httpd
running as context unconfined_u:system_r:httpd_t:s0
[Sat Jul 11 18:50:26 2009] [notice] suEXEC mechanism enabled (wrapper:
/usr/sbin/suexec)
[Sat Jul 11 18:50:26 2009] [notice] Digest: generating secret for digest
authentication ...
[Sat Jul 11 18:50:26 2009] [notice] Digest: done
[Sat Jul 11 18:50:26 2009] [notice] mod_python: Creating 4 session
mutexes based on 256 max processes and 0 max threads.
[Sat Jul 11 18:50:26 2009] [notice] mod_python: using mutex_directory /tmp
[Sat Jul 11 18:50:27 2009] [error]
avahi_entry_group_add_service_strlst("tardis") failed: Local name collision
[Sat Jul 11 18:50:27 2009] [notice] Apache/2.2.11 (Unix) DAV/2
mod_mono/2.4 mod_nss/2.2.11 NSS/3.12.2.0 PHP/5.2.9 mod_python/3.3.1
Python/2.6 mod_ssl/2.2.11 OpenSSL/0.9.8k-fips mod_perl/2.0.4
Perl/v5.10.0 configured -- resuming normal operations
[Sat Jul 11 18:50:27 2009] [notice] child pid 10956 exit signal
Segmentation fault (11)
[Sat Jul 11 18:50:27 2009] [notice] child pid 10957 exit signal
Segmentation fault (11)
...
The exit signal Segmentation fault (11) repeats ad nausium until httpd
is stopped.

Any help and/or suggestions will be appreciated.

 

Does this happen if SELinux is in permissive mode?  Is selinux reporting errors 
in the /var/log/audit/audit.log?

# getsebool -a | grep avahi
httpd_dbus_avahi -->  on

THe only avahi/dbus boolean is defined above.


   


It turns out that the solution to my problem appeared in another thread, 
posted after my original posting.  [See: "httpd segfault" thread started 
by Jameson.]


On 07/12/2009 03:18 PM, Jameson wrote:

As soon as I finally decide to ask, I find the solution:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=502133

The problem was not with avahi or SELinux but with the nss module.  Renaming 
the nss.conf file to nss.conf.no (in /etc/httpd/conf.d/) so that it does not 
load, solved my problem.

The nss.conf file was placed in the /etc/httpd/conf.d/ directory by the rpm 
file that installed the Apache httpd server.


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Re: SELinux warning about sendmail

2009-07-13 Thread Andras Simon
On 7/13/09, Daniel J Walsh  wrote:
> On 07/10/2009 06:09 PM, Andras Simon wrote:
>> Sometimes I see the warning:
>>
>> SELinux is preventing the sendmail from using potentially mislabeled files
>> (/root).
>>
>> sendmail is not installed, but according to sealert, this warning is
>> really about ssmtp.
>> Of course I'm not trying to mail any file from /root, in fact, I don't
>> mail anything. Any idea what might be going on?
>>
>> Andras
>>
> What is the AVC.  It might be just doing a getattr of /root which could
> trigger an AVC.
>
> When an app starts with it's homedir set to /root, it will getattr on the
> $HOME, which can cause this AVC.  Usually these are dontaudited.  So I would
> need to see the AVC to understand what it is complaining about.
>
> grep avc /var/log/audit/audit.log


type=AVC msg=audit(1247515885.083:4523): avc:  denied  { read } for
pid=31783 comm="0logwatch" path="/root" dev=sda3 ino=90113
scontext=system_u:system_r:logwatch_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023
tcontext=system_u:object_r:admin_home_t:s0 tclass=dir
type=AVC msg=audit(1247515945.140:4524): avc:  denied  { read } for
pid=32123 comm="sendmail" path="/root" dev=sda3 ino=90113
scontext=system_u:system_r:system_mail_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023
tcontext=system_u:object_r:admin_home_t:s0 tclass=dir

Thanks for looking at it!

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Re: yum runs out of mirrors to try when updating

2009-07-13 Thread Paolo Galtieri
Are you sure it's 510950?  That bug has to do with thunderbird and selinux.
Bug 510959 is marked a duplicate of 510898 which is marked closed not a
bug.  So is anyone certain that someone is working on fixing this?  I tried
it at 2:55 MST and it's still broken.

Paolo

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:

> On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 15:30 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> > Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 06:42 +, Amadeus W.M. wrote:
> > >> I did a yum update on a fresh F11 install (i386) and yum can't find
> some
> > >> packages. Does anyone know what's going on?
> > > Not yet but I filed bug 510959 about the problem, which persists.
> >
> > I don't now the cause, but the problem is obvious:
> > The i386-updates repos are broken and none of the people in charge has
> > been able to fix this.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ralf
> >
> Actually they are working on it in response to bug # 510950
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Re: VMware Workstation in F11

2009-07-13 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 12:52 +0200, Chris Rouch wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> > I performed a fresh install of F11, then installed
> > VMware-Workstation-6.5.2-156735.x86_64.rpm. Installed the patch for
> > kernel-2.6.29 from http://communities.vmware.com/thread/203231. Now,
> > when I try to start a VM, I get a message that the .vmdk file can't be
> > found. The message pop-up lets me browse to the location of the file.
> >
> > File not found: xxx.vmdk
> >
> >This file is required to power on the virtual machine. If this
> >file was moved, please provide its new location.
> >
> > But the file has not been moved, and when I select the file from the
> > browser, VMware still refuses to start.
> >
> > Turning selinux to non-enforcing doesn't help. Problem occurs with
> > Workstation and Player. Everything worked fine with F10, including with
> > a 2.6.29 test kernel.
> >
> > Anybody seen this? Anybody know a solution?
> >
> 
> Try disabling selinux completely. On my F10 box with vmware server,
> permissive mode wasn't enough.

I got it, actually (noted elsewhere in the thread).  It was permissions,
but not selinux.  For a raw-disk machine, user needs to be in group
disk.  Apparently, with F11, they finally made /dev/sda* group writable
again, so sysadmin doesn't need to do it.

VMs still hang on shutdown, but that seems to be a different, known
issue with no current workaround. 

> 
> Regards,
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
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Re: F10, AthlonXP 2500+, recently updated...System freeze?

2009-07-13 Thread John Mellor
On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 09:18 -0400, Mike Burger wrote:
> After the last round of updates to F10 on my AthlonXP 2500+ system, a
> couple/few weeks ago, my system has been freezing.  I get nothing in
> my
> logs, I see nothing in the way of the normal kernel debug output that
> often spews out to the screen...the system just completely freezes.

Yup, my Athlon 2500+ is also doing the same thing.  Five lockups now
since release.  I'm not sure if it is a kernel bug or the bad powersave
stuff or the bad xorg ati radeon package.

I'm tired of waiting for fixes that just aren't coming.  If I don't get
a fix in the next day or so, I'm backing out F11 and reverting to F10
for stability reasons.  I can't afford to have my home automation go
offline every once in a while...

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Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Aldo Foot
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Mikkel L.
Ellertson wrote:
> Steven W. Orr wrote:
>> On 07/13/09 14:21, quoth Mikkel L. Ellertson:
>>
>>> You know, there is a simple fix to this - someone that has G's
>>> public key could upload it to a keyserver. Now, if someone
>>> wanted to be nasty, they could upload a fake public key with his
>>> email address. Then if there is anything to SPAMmers mining the
>>> keyservers for e-mail addresses, the would get the flood of SPAM
>>> anyway.
>>
>> Two wrongs don't make a right. Another established part of the etiquette is 
>> to
>> never upload someone else's key without explicit permission. Lots of
>> keyservers don't do subkeys and you don't really have the implicit permission
>> to overwrite signatures on those machines. To do so would be at least as rude
>> as not publishing a public key that's needed to verify a signature in a 
>> public
>> mailing list.
>>
<...>
>
> As far as uploading a fake key, will interesting to contemplate, I
> wouldn't actually do it. I am just a bit more responsible that that.
>
> Though I am starting to wounder why I adhere to proper net
> etiquette. It seams like fewer people are following it, and if you
> point out proper net etiquette, you get branded a LIST NAZI or TOP
> POSTING NAZI. I guess it is a crime to ask others to be polite and
> follow community guidelines.

This is very true. The truth is that there are those who think there are
(written or not ) rules for a reason, and those who get a kick of breaking
them. It will always be that way.

> My post was half serious, half joking. Kind of a hint about where
> throwing out net etiquette can lead. After all, if all of us decided
> that net etiquette didn't apply to us, then behavior I posted would
> be just as acceptable as G's.

A hint I thought it was. But someone here or there might take the comment
seriously.

I'm actually surprise that we don't see more of this type of issues on this
list. Issues will always arise the moment a direct attack occurs.

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Re: No audio from KVM/QEMU guest OS's SOLVED

2009-07-13 Thread Jerry Feldman
Thanks to Fedora Forum. The solution is to load the OSS emulation module:

modprobe snd-pcm-oss

On 07/12/2009 02:38 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> After a clean install of Fedora 11, I reinstalled my quest OS's (Windows
> XP x86) and Windows 7 (x86_64) and I was unable to get the audio to work
> in the guests. I have since deleted the Windows 7.
> My host configuration is:
> CPU: AMD Opteron quad core
> 6GB memory.
> Tyan mother board
> Kernel: 2.6.29.5-191.fc11.x86_64
> nVidia MCP55 High Definition Audio
> Currently firewalls and SELinux disabled.
>
> KVM/QEMU details:
> Sound emulator ES1370.
> Windows XP device manager detecting and showing ES1370.
> All volume controls are high not muted.
>
> I am executing KVM via the system tools menu.
>
>   


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Re: F10, AthlonXP 2500+, recently updated...System freeze?

2009-07-13 Thread Mike Burger

> On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 09:18 -0400, Mike Burger wrote:
>> After the last round of updates to F10 on my AthlonXP 2500+ system, a
>> couple/few weeks ago, my system has been freezing.  I get nothing in
>> my
>> logs, I see nothing in the way of the normal kernel debug output that
>> often spews out to the screen...the system just completely freezes.
>
> Yup, my Athlon 2500+ is also doing the same thing.  Five lockups now
> since release.  I'm not sure if it is a kernel bug or the bad powersave
> stuff or the bad xorg ati radeon package.
>
> I'm tired of waiting for fixes that just aren't coming.  If I don't get
> a fix in the next day or so, I'm backing out F11 and reverting to F10
> for stability reasons.  I can't afford to have my home automation go
> offline every once in a while...

I thinkyou can rule out the ATI radeon package...I'm running the Xorg
nvidia package...but I also had the issue when running in runlevel 3
(multiuser text mode)...and this is with F10...so if you do back out, I'd
recommend not necessarily updating.

I also don't think it's necessarily a kernel bug, as I've reverted to the
oldest kernel I have installed on the system, and the same thing happens.

Guess I need to go check bugzilla, and file a report if there isn't one.
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Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 15:06:57 -0500,
  "Mikkel L. Ellertson"  wrote:
> Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > 
> > It was a multipart message. You should be able to override the sender's
> > preference and display text/plain in preference to text/html (or just not
> > display text/html parts inline).
> > 
> > That way even though the extra bandwidth is wasted, you at least get to see 
> > the
> > part you are interested in.
> > 
> Right, it does not matter if it follows the list guidelines or not.
> That is irrelevant. We should get rid of that pesky link at the
> bottom of each message that points to the list guidelines.

I wasn't commenting on the list guidelines. I was trying to help someone that
appeared to be seeing html when he would have preferred to have seen the
included plain text part. That might be useful for him in general, not just
on the Fedora lists.

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Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Aldo Foot
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:17 PM, g wrote:
> Fennix wrote:
>
>> Somehow I am disappointed to see all of this.  G does not write often but
>> does so when he does think that it is worth offering a usefull contribution
>
> i thank you for your support. even if it was 'text/html'. :)
>
> i am not aware of 'karl', from what you say about him, i appreciate that you
> do not hold me in same realm.

I don't think you belong in the same realm. You know unix and the advice
you give can be accepted or not. Everyone has a choice.



> a couple of times i have been a little 'off base' with my reply and when i
> have been corrected or further informed, i have been appreciative.

That I have seen.

<..snip...>

> as for david, this whole situation could have been avoided if his attitude
> had been different from start. granted, i did not respond he wished and i
> do believe that this is very much a part of why he has reacted as he has.

No kidding. That was nothing short of a *very* energetic reply. Most probably
anyone would have had some sort of reaction to your genuine way of
expressing yourself. I knew there was fire coming down your way the
minute I read that post.

> he needs to mature and gain a better understanding of how to deal with
> people. not be child like and act as he has because he did not get his
> way and i did not conform to his wishes.

Maybe the fact that you're a mature adult gives you a certain perspective
of other people's level of maturity. In the end we all need to learn something.

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Re: Suddenly I can't mount DVD

2009-07-13 Thread William Case
Hi Jack;

On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 13:38 -0700, jack craig wrote:
> On 07/13/2009 01:28 PM, William Case wrote:
> > Hi;
> >
> > Up to yesterday I could put a disk in my CD/DVD drive and it would
> > automatically be mounted.  Today 'mount' command and other gui stuff
> > (like Computer in Gnome) can't find it.
> >
> > BIOS still shows it.
> > lshw shows it.
> >
> > What happened?
> > Did I inadvertently mess something up?
> > How do I fix it?
> >
> > It was never in fstab (as far as I remember) and I am reluctant to try
> > adding it.
> >
> >

> also, i'd look in /var/log/. for mount related errors...

$ dmesg | grep sr0
sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 32x/40x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
sr 1:0:1:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0
sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK
driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE,SUGGEST_OK
sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current] 
sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Illegal mode for this track
end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 870656
Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 217664
Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 217665

Is this a SELinux block?  I have disabled SELinux until I get a week or
so to decipher its policy rules. I just upgraded a SELinux policy patch.
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Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> 
> I wasn't commenting on the list guidelines. I was trying to help someone that
> appeared to be seeing html when he would have preferred to have seen the
> included plain text part. That might be useful for him in general, not just
> on the Fedora lists.
> 
LOL - somehow I think g can figure that out by himself.

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Re: Suddenly I can't mount DVD

2009-07-13 Thread jack craig

On 07/13/2009 03:36 PM, William Case wrote:

Hi Jack;

On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 13:38 -0700, jack craig wrote:
   

On 07/13/2009 01:28 PM, William Case wrote:
 

Hi;

Up to yesterday I could put a disk in my CD/DVD drive and it would
automatically be mounted.  Today 'mount' command and other gui stuff
(like Computer in Gnome) can't find it.

BIOS still shows it.
lshw shows it.

What happened?
Did I inadvertently mess something up?
How do I fix it?

It was never in fstab (as far as I remember) and I am reluctant to try
adding it.


   


   

also, i'd look in /var/log/. for mount related errors...
 


$ dmesg | grep sr0
sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 32x/40x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
sr 1:0:1:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0
sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK
driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE,SUGGEST_OK
sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current]
sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Illegal mode for this track
end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 870656
Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 217664
Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 217665

Is this a SELinux block?  I have disabled SELinux until I get a week or
so to decipher its policy rules. I just upgraded a SELinux policy patch.
Could that be causing the problem?
   

not from this snippet, the illegal request implies media/drive issue.
what happens if you try a different media in your drive? maybe a media 
you have

successfully mounted before?

if it were selinux, i think you'd see an error in /var/log/secure or the 
setroubleshooting app.


see how it chokes on block errors? any chance there is dirt or a smudge 
on the media over those tracks?


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Re: Suddenly I can't mount DVD

2009-07-13 Thread jack craig

On 07/13/2009 03:36 PM, William Case wrote:

  [sr0] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current]
   


hey bill,

check out this url!

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gossamer-threads.com%2Flists%2Flinux%2Fkernel%2F1100174&ei=U7tbSuquHovcsgPh56CdCg&usg=AFQjCNE0Dsw_gz37TgNUaf4nZXd-B1knPg&sig2=llRD-v7xuu3ylSiuYjpA0A

note the same error, but failing on block 0, your blocks are partway 
through the media,

could be a similar underlying cause... ???

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3 finger salute gone in F11

2009-07-13 Thread Mick M.

Hi;
 the other day I needed to kill X.
Much to my surprise ctl-alt-backspace did not work.

When and why did this happen?
How do I get it back?

thanks
 Mick M.


  

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Re: 3 finger salute gone in F11

2009-07-13 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:59:31 -0700 (PDT)
Mick M. wrote:

> When and why did this happen?

linux nannys know what is best for you

> How do I get it back?

look at the xorg.conf man page in the SERVERFLAGS section
for DontZap

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Re: 3 finger salute gone in F11

2009-07-13 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:59:31 -0700 (PDT)
> Mick M. wrote:
> 
>> When and why did this happen?
> 
> linux nannys know what is best for you
> 
A terrible thing. We all know you learn more from shooting yourself
in the foot. This trend towards safer defaults has got to stop!




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