Resignation of Josh Boyer from FESCo

2009-10-10 Thread Jon Stanley
It is with great regret that I announce the resignation of Josh Boyer
from the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee (FESCo).  Josh has been
an incredibly valuable member of FESCo during the time that he has
served.

It's important to note that the reason for this resignation is that
Josh believes that community leaders should be actively leading in the
community. With his other commitments, Josh simply could not make the
time for both FESCo and maintaining a leadership role within the
community. This is not the fault of Josh, FESCo in general, or any
member of FESCo in particular. Instead, it represents that Josh is
upholding the values that we hold dear in Fedora - openness, honesty,
transparency, and meritocracy.

Josh will be focusing on the QA of updates to stable Fedora releases,
where he will need all the help that he can get. Please reach out to
Josh and offer whatever help you can provide him in this effort.

Replacing Josh on FESCo, per the succession policy[1], will be David
Woodhouse, as he was the next highest runner-up in the recent
elections[2]. Please join me in wishing Josh the best, and welcoming
David back to FESCo.

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FESCo_election_policy
[2] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-June/msg00015.html

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Packaging tips for sound?

2009-10-10 Thread Bruno Wolff III
I am wondering if there is any documentation on tips for packagers for
helping them integrate sound features of their packages in Fedora.

In my specific case the volume controls on glest are not affecting the
volume in F12 and I am wondering where to start looking for infomation
that may be relevant for fixing this.

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Re: Howto handle multilib conflict?

2009-10-10 Thread Panu Matilainen

On Sat, 10 Oct 2009, Christoph Wickert wrote:


Am Freitag, den 09.10.2009, 18:56 -0400 schrieb Neal Becker:

Just received:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528237

yum install libotf-devel.i586 libotf-devel.x86_64

yields:

Transaction Check Error:
  file /usr/bin/libotf-config from install of libotf-devel-0.9.8-2.fc11.i586
conflicts with file from package libotf-devel-0.9.8-2.fc11.x86_64
  file /usr/share/doc/libotf-devel-0.9.8/example/Makefile from install of
libotf-devel-0.9.8-2.fc11.i586 conflicts with file from package
libotf-devel-0.9.8-2.fc11.x86_64

What is the recommended way to resolve this?


If the contents of the file is the same and they only their timestamps
differ, you can touch them reversely after install as in
http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/exo/devel/exo.spec?r1=1.38r2=1.39


Timestamp differences do NOT cause file conflicts. Content (and 
permission) differences do.


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Re: Howto handle multilib conflict?

2009-10-10 Thread Ralf Corsepius

On 10/10/2009 01:48 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote:

Am Freitag, den 09.10.2009, 18:56 -0400 schrieb Neal Becker:



What if the generated docbook documents are different due to different
ids? Do we need to separate the docs into a noarch subpackage?

Nope, this doesn't actually help.

The actual fix would be to fix docbook[1] rsp. these docbook-documents' 
sources to not apply ids rsp. to produce deterministic ids.


An alternative work-around would be to filter out/process (e.g. by 
using sed) these ids, such the generated docs can be generated 
deterministically.


Last resort would be to move such docs into arch' dependent directories 
in arch-dependent packages.


Ralf

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rawhide report: 20091010 changes

2009-10-10 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Sat Oct 10 06:15:04 UTC 2009

Broken deps for i386
--
konversation-1.2-1.fc12.i686 requires kdelibs4 = 0:4.3.2
sugar-toolkit-0.86.0-1.fc12.i686 requires python-json



Broken deps for x86_64
--
konversation-1.2-1.fc12.x86_64 requires kdelibs4 = 0:4.3.2
sugar-toolkit-0.86.0-1.fc12.x86_64 requires python-json



Broken deps for ppc
--
konversation-1.2-1.fc12.ppc requires kdelibs4 = 0:4.3.2
sugar-toolkit-0.86.0-1.fc12.ppc requires python-json



Broken deps for ppc64
--
konversation-1.2-1.fc12.ppc64 requires kdelibs4 = 0:4.3.2
python-mwlib-0.11.2-3.20090522hg2956.fc12.ppc64 requires LabPlot
sugar-toolkit-0.86.0-1.fc12.ppc64 requires python-json



Removed package gai
Removed package gai-pal
Removed package gai-temp
Removed package python-json
Updated Packages:

NetworkManager-0.7.996-4.git20091002.fc12
-
* Fri Oct 02 2009 Dan Williams d...@redhat.com - 0.7.996-4.git20091002
- install: fix -gnome package %pre script failures (rh #526519)
- nm: fix failures validating private keys when using the NSS crypto backend
- applet: fix crashes when clicking on menu but not associated (rh #526535)
- editor: fix crash editing wired 802.1x settings
- editor: fix secrets retrieval when editing connections


Terminal-0.4.2-2.fc12
-
* Thu Oct 08 2009 Christoph Wickert cwick...@fedoraproject.org - 0.4.2-2
- Fix locale problems in the UI (bugzilla.xfce.org #5842)


chromium-bsu-0.9.14-6.fc12
--
* Fri Oct 09 2009 Hans de Goede hdego...@redhat.com 0.9.14-6
- Switch to quesoglc instead of ftgl (glc is the upstream default)
- This fixes chromium-bsu not finding its font, as quesoglc properly uses
  fontconfig instead of using a hardcoded path to the font (#526995)


dopewars-1.5.12-9.1033svn.fc12
--
* Fri Oct 09 2009 Jussi Lehtola jussileht...@fedoraproject.org - 
1.5.12-8.1033svn
- Update to svn release to address security issues.

* Fri Oct 09 2009 Jussi Lehtola jussileht...@fedoraproject.org - 
1.5.12-9.1033svn
- Increment release to be able to tag in F-12.


dracut-002-13.4.git8f397a9b.fc12

* Fri Oct 09 2009 Harald Hoyer har...@redhat.com 002-13.2
- do not fail, if libdmraid-events-isw.so is not present

* Fri Oct 09 2009 Harald Hoyer har...@redhat.com 002-13.3
- removed one wildcard of libdmraid-events-isw.so install

* Fri Oct 09 2009 Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com - 002-13.4
- Requires(pre) on plymouth to ensure plymouth is installed before kernel


drupal-service_links-6.x.1.0-5.fc12
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* Fri Oct 09 2009 Jon Ciesla l...@jcomserv.net - 6.x.1.0-5
- Patch for CVE-2009-3648 from madirish.net, BZ 528200, 528201.


gcc-4.4.1-20.fc12
-
* Thu Oct 08 2009 Jakub Jelinek ja...@redhat.com 4.4.1-20
- update from gcc-4_4-branch
  - PRs c++/39863, c++/41038
- avoid redundant DW_AT_const_value when abstract origin already has one
  (#527430) 
- another VTA debug stmt renaming bugfix (#521991)

* Mon Oct 05 2009 Jakub Jelinek ja...@redhat.com 4.4.1-19
- update from gcc-4_4-branch
  - PRs fortran/41479, fortran/41515
- VTA backports
  - PRs debug/41353, debug/41404, rtl-optimization/41511
  - another debug info fix for decls passed by reference (#527057,
PR debug/41558)
  - don't emit DW_AT_name on DW_TAG_const_type (#526970)
- avoid invalid folding of casts to addresses of first fields
  (#527121, PR middle-end/41317)

* Thu Oct 01 2009 Jakub Jelinek ja...@redhat.com 4.4.1-18
- update from gcc-4_4-branch
  - PRs ada/41100, target/22093
- VTA backports
  - PRs debug/41438, debug/41474, target/41279, testsuite/41444
- fix VTA ICE on Linux kernel (#521991)
- AMD Orochi -mfma4 support
- don't run install-info if info files are missing because of --excludedocs
  (#515921, #515960, #515962, #515965, #516000, #516008, #516014)


gdm-2.28.0-9.fc12
-
* Fri Oct 09 2009 Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com - 1:2.28.0-8
- Move bubbles to the lower right on the login screen

* Fri Oct 09 2009 Ray Strode rstr...@redhat.com 2.28.0-9
- Fix Other... user.

* Wed Oct 07 2009 Ray Strode rstr...@redhat.com - 1:2.28.0-7
- Fix gdm-password / xguest interaction (bug 524421)


gtk2-2.18.2-2.fc12
--
* Fri Oct 09 2009 Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com - 2.18.2-2
- Make selecting the final char work again (#528072)


konversation-1.2-1.fc12
---
* Fri Oct 09 2009 Rex Dieter rdie...@fedoraproject.org - 1.2-1
- konversation-1.2 (final)


libcap-ng-0.6.2-3.fc12
--
* Fri Oct 09 2009 Steve Grubb sgr...@redhat.com 0.6.2-3
- Apply patch to retain setpcap only if clearing bounding set



cups/guttenprint color schemes wrong for Epson Stylus CX3500 and other printers

2009-10-10 Thread Casimiro de Almeida Barreto
Maybe off topic but, how to correct color schemes for Epson Printers?
Default is horrible (excess of red, wrong gamma/brightness, etc). I
guess someone must have dealt with that.

Best regards

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Re: Howto handle multilib conflict?

2009-10-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 22:25 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
 
 On Fri, 9 Oct 2009, Adam Williamson wrote:
 
  On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 16:41 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
 
  It's not to be considered a bug, AFAIK. We don't stipulate that
  development packages be installable side-by-side in this way, we only
  stipulate that for library packages where there's a need for it. There's
  no particular use case where you absolutely need both -devel packages
  installed at once.
 
  I believe this is incorrect.  devel packages are supposed to be multilib
  installable.  There's two things that are two files that conflict above and
  there's two different fixes for each.
 
  I'm happy to be wrong :), but is this documented anywhere? That's why I
  thought the opposite was the case, I couldn't find anything to this
  effect in the packaging documentation when I was starting out.
 
 
 Well, I know it is documented that file conflicts are never allowed, ever, 
 at all w/o an explicit conflicts: in the spec file.

Ah, yeah. That would cover it without any need for a specific multilib
policy, for sure. (I checked, and libotf-devel i686 is in the x86-64
repo).

Of course, that turns the larger question into 'why do we put i686
-devel packages in the x86-64 repo, not just the lib packages', but it
does explain for sure that I was wrong in my initial reply, sorry for
that!

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Re: How about releasing an update of xorg-x11-drv-intel for Fedora 11

2009-10-10 Thread Scott Tsai
On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:57:51 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:

 It would be nice to have more comprehensive 3D tests.

I think it's worth packaging the piglit OopenGL test suite:
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/piglit
and using it in graphics test days.

According tho this blog post by Eric Anholt and the git commit log,
upstream open source graphics driver developers are still constantly
adding tests to it:
http://anholt.livejournal.com/41522.html

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Re: How about releasing an update of xorg-x11-drv-intel for Fedora 11

2009-10-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 15:02 +, Scott Tsai wrote:
 On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:57:51 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
 
  It would be nice to have more comprehensive 3D tests.
 
 I think it's worth packaging the piglit OopenGL test suite:
 http://cgit.freedesktop.org/piglit
 and using it in graphics test days.
 
 According tho this blog post by Eric Anholt and the git commit log,
 upstream open source graphics driver developers are still constantly
 adding tests to it:
 http://anholt.livejournal.com/41522.html

Good point. I think Francois Cami had some plans to this effect, but
he's been away from the project for a few months lately, so maybe I'll
do it instead. Thanks for the reminder.

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Re: Howto handle multilib conflict?

2009-10-10 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Samstag, den 10.10.2009, 11:30 +0300 schrieb Panu Matilainen:
 On Sat, 10 Oct 2009, Christoph Wickert wrote:
 
  If the contents of the file is the same and they only their timestamps
  differ, you can touch them reversely after install as in
  http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/exo/devel/exo.spec?r1=1.38r2=1.39
 
 Timestamp differences do NOT cause file conflicts. 

Indeed, obviously this has changed. Changes like this should be
announced somewhere, I guess Kevin and me are not the only one packagers
who still believe they have to care for timestamps.

 Content (and permission) differences do.

I took a look at the files from exo and they did differ. Tanks for the
pointer.

   - Panu -

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Re: Howto handle multilib conflict?

2009-10-10 Thread Patrice Dumas
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 05:21:37PM +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
  
  Timestamp differences do NOT cause file conflicts. 
 
 Indeed, obviously this has changed. Changes like this should be
 announced somewhere, I guess Kevin and me are not the only one packagers
 who still believe they have to care for timestamps.

I am not sure that timestamps created conflicts in the past. However
in rpm -V there were marked as being modified. Maybe this is what changed.
In any case I think that we should care for timestamps even if they are
not reasons for conflicts. Some packagers disagree, though, that
timestamps are useful and should be correct.

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Re: Howto handle multilib conflict?

2009-10-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 18:05 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
 On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:47:59 -0700, Adam wrote:
 
  Of course, that turns the larger question into 'why do we put i686
  -devel packages in the x86-64 repo, not just the lib packages',
 
 Because not all files in -devel packages cover multiple target
 platforms. Example: You could not build for i686 with headers that
 are specific to x86_64, and you would also need the .so symlinks for
 libraries in the appropriate libdir.

Well, that's only valid if we actually do anything to ensure multilib
compilation actually *works*, right now all we enforce is that the
packages don't conflict (which isn't the same thing at all). I hope I'm
not dragging him into the conversation unwillingly, but Colin Walters
raised those points on IRC:

walters well, what's the ultimate goal?  just avoiding the OS
exploding if you happen to somehow get an i386 -devel?  or actually be
able to compile 32 bit on 64 hosts?
walters those are pretty different things

...

walters people keep trying to scope creep multilib to include
compilation, which we need to clamp down on, and tell them to use mock
Oxf13 well last time we tried to make major changes to our multilib
strategy, Jeremy was the one to play Captain No
 and he's gone now, so

I guess the point is that if we actually intend to support 'you can
cross-compile with any -devel package from another arch that's included
in the repository' we may need more strict policies / work to ensure
that's actually possible, and if we intend *not* to support that, but
rather tell people to use mock, there's no reason to include -devel
packages in multilib.

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Re: Howto handle multilib conflict?

2009-10-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 10:17 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:

 I guess the point is that if we actually intend to support 'you can
 cross-compile with any -devel package from another arch that's included

gah, I know I don't really mean cross-compile, it's been pointed out to
me before that it's the wrong term. you know what I mean. sorry.

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Re: Howto handle multilib conflict?

2009-10-10 Thread Mamoru Tasaka

Michael Schwendt wrote, at 10/11/2009 01:09 AM +9:00:

On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:32:40 +0200, Patrice wrote:


On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 05:21:37PM +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
Timestamp differences do NOT cause file conflicts. 

Indeed, obviously this has changed. Changes like this should be
announced somewhere, 


What is the source of these rumours that file timestamp differences
would cause conflicts?


I guess these rumors came because sometimes some programs creating
document files (mostly html files) or so embeded the timestamp
of the date in those files and that actually caused multilib
conflict (i.e. not the timestamp of the files but the embedded strings
in those files).

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Re: Maintainer MIA: Claudio Tomasoni

2009-10-10 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Samstag, den 10.10.2009, 21:41 +0200 schrieb Chitlesh GOORAH:
 On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote:
  I am starting the AWOL procedure [1] for Claudio Tomasoni, because he
  didn't respond to a bug I opened 5 months ago [2]. Chitlesh even tried
  to contact him for more than 7 months [3]. We should prepare for taking
  over Claudio's packages [4].
 
 I'm willing to take over :
 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/octaviz
 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/qtoctave

Great, but there are still two weeks left.

 Chitlesh

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Re: Development packages for Thunderbird/Sunbird

2009-10-10 Thread Felix Kaechele

 Original Message  
Subject: Development packages for Thunderbird/Sunbird
From: Henrik /KaarPoSoft hen...@kaarposoft.dk
To: fedora-devel-list@redhat.com
Date: 09.10.2009 18:20



I would like blueZync to work on Fedora too
(currently developing on Debian and Ubuntu).


Me too. I did start a packaging effort some time ago and caused a little 
disaster by updating libsyncml to a newer version to build blueZync. Our 
problem was that nothing else could be built against the new version of 
libsyncml.



As far as I can see, not such -devel packages are available
for Fedora 11 or 12.


That is correct.


Can anybody guide me as to how to kindly request such
packages for Fedora?


The best would be to file a bug against both thunderbird and sunbird and 
kindly state what you would need for building blueZync.
If you as the developer did that, that would be great. As soon as the 
development files are available I'd be glad working with you on getting 
blueZync into Fedora.


Felix

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libprojectM Packaging Problem

2009-10-10 Thread Jameson
I'm having trouble getting the new version of libprojectM packaged,
and hope someone can shed some light on this for me.  When I enter the
commands to build it manually, it builds fine, but when trying to
package it, it comes out with commands like:

cd /home/ipfreely/rpmbuild/BUILD/libprojectM-1.2.0r1295/Renderer 
/usr/lib64/ccache/c++   -DUSE_FBO -DLINUX -DSTBI_NO_DDS -DUSE_THREADS
-O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions
-fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m64 -mtune=generic ;-fPIC
-I/home/ipfreely/rpmbuild/BUILD/libprojectM-1.2.0r1295
-DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=\/usr\ -o CMakeFiles/Renderer.dir/FBO.o -c
/home/ipfreely/rpmbuild/BUILD/libprojectM-1.2.0r1295/Renderer/FBO.cpp

Which fail due to ;-fPIC.  Any ideas on why this is happening?  It
looks to me that it's a simple matter of getting rid of the ; in the
command, but I have no idea why it's there using rpmbuild, but not
when I build manually.

Thanks,
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Re: Development packages for Thunderbird/Sunbird

2009-10-10 Thread Matej Cepl
Henrik /KaarPoSoft, Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:20:44 +0200:
 However, to compile blueZync, development packages for thunderbird and
 sunbird are needed
 (i.e. header files, idl files etc).
 
 As far as I can see, not such -devel packages are available for Fedora
 11 or 12.

When you install xulrunner*devel what files you are missing?

Matěj

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Re: Howto handle multilib conflict?

2009-10-10 Thread Patrice Dumas
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:17:16AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
 
 Well, that's only valid if we actually do anything to ensure multilib
 compilation actually *works*, right now all we enforce is that the
 packages don't conflict (which isn't the same thing at all).

It's also valid if we want to help people to be able to have multilib
compilation work, even if it is not used in fedora rpm builds. I have
no knowledge about this issue, but I guess that having multilib devel
packages installed allows users comppiling software to easily use one
or the other library, even if it involves setting some flags by hand,
and, hopefully, with pkg-config setting flags by hand is not required.

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thunderbird upgrade - wtf?

2009-10-10 Thread Jeff Garzik


Just upgraded my F11 workstation, which included an upgrade to 
thunderbird-3.0-2.7.b4.fc11.x86_64


Without any prompting or warning, my email layout -- a key interface 
into my open source development workflow -- was changed to use something 
called smart folders.


Also annoying, though of less impact to me personally, was the decision 
(again, without prompting or warning) to index all of my email -- of 
which there is a considerable amount.


Now, I'm sure smart folders are a nifty new feature, but where was the 
warning about this upgrade?  Why was this done late in F11, rather than F12?


IMO, major MUA upgrades should be handled better than this.

Jeff



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[Issue 64671] Verdana font messes up letter spacing in Impress

2009-10-10 Thread cmc
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[Bug 528272] Review Request: adf-tribun-fonts - A newsprint-like serif typeface

2009-10-10 Thread bugzilla
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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528272


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Description:
Hirwen Harendal started in 1999 the realization of a first font family, aiming
to create another “Times New Roman”… He does not consider this endeavour a huge
success. However, he transformed Tribun progessively since then to give it its
own character.

The idea was to achieve newsprint-like rendering. To this effect, the glyph
bodies, serifs, or even extenders are not normalised and use irregular strokes.
This is most visible in italics though those variations stay imperceptible at
small sizes.

Italics proved time-consuming. They are never an easy thing to draw.
Nevertheless, the designer considers them very close to those of “Times”, with
some variations.

The medium weight uses a stronger stroke. It can be used for emphasis, or for
effects in titles. That being said it has also been used for body copy. It is
also slightly expanded to complete the face offerings.

The condensed version is a bit unusual, since it stands in for both normal and
medium condensed. After several trials, Hirwen decided an intermediate weight
rendered much better both for document display and in print. Secondly, he took
great care to keep readability excellent, and this even for italics.

This font family is particularly well suited for text, display, or
presentations. It is also ideal for all Web publications. It can serve as
alternative to “Times New Roman” and other similar fonts. 

See also
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ADF_Tribun_fonts

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Re: Firefox will not start from desktop

2009-10-10 Thread Kam Leo
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Anthony Houston
anthony.hous...@athouston.com.au wrote:
 I am running Fedora 11; clean new install on new hard drive.

 Name       : firefox
 Arch       : i586
 Version    : 3.5.3
 Release    : 1.fc11

 Firefox will not start from the desktop icon but will start from the CLI
 but only as su. Even then I get the following errors:

 (firefox:2295): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session
 manager:

 None of the authentication protocols specified are supported.

 Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes are that
 you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, or you have stale NFS
 locks due to a system crash. See http://projects.gnome.org/gconf/ for
 information. (Details - 1: Failed to get connection to session: Did not
 receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not
 send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the
 reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.)

 I tried to follow the gnome url listed in the error but could not find
 some of the references on my computer.

 I have performed the following to make sure my system is uptodate:

 su
 yum update --enablerepo=rpm*g --enablerepo=u*g --skip-broken -v
 reboot

 There are MANY threads on FedorumForum about this with all the same
 suggestions. I logged this as a bug with Mozilla but they say it isn't
 and that I need to go back to the packager (fedora).

 Any suggestions please.


Check permissions for the user.  Do ls -la /home/user_name.

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Re: Firefox will not start from desktop

2009-10-10 Thread Kam Leo
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Kam Leo kam@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Anthony Houston
 anthony.hous...@athouston.com.au wrote:
 I am running Fedora 11; clean new install on new hard drive.

 Name       : firefox
 Arch       : i586
 Version    : 3.5.3
 Release    : 1.fc11

 Firefox will not start from the desktop icon but will start from the CLI
 but only as su. Even then I get the following errors:

 (firefox:2295): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session
 manager:

 None of the authentication protocols specified are supported.

 Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes are that
 you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, or you have stale NFS
 locks due to a system crash. See http://projects.gnome.org/gconf/ for
 information. (Details - 1: Failed to get connection to session: Did not
 receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not
 send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the
 reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.)

 I tried to follow the gnome url listed in the error but could not find
 some of the references on my computer.

 I have performed the following to make sure my system is uptodate:

 su
 yum update --enablerepo=rpm*g --enablerepo=u*g --skip-broken -v
 reboot

 There are MANY threads on FedorumForum about this with all the same
 suggestions. I logged this as a bug with Mozilla but they say it isn't
 and that I need to go back to the packager (fedora).

 Any suggestions please.


 Check permissions for the user.  Do ls -la /home/user_name.

I forgot to ask if you tried deleting the .mozilla directory in /home
or reinstalliing firefox.

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Re: black screen and message cannot display this mode 2:dvi-d during F11 install

2009-10-10 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 11:08:50 -0500,
  clarice oshea clariceos...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I read that one should install F10 before F11 so I did install F10!

If you are doing upgrades that is necessary in at least some cases unless
you want a lot of pain. (I actually went from F9 to F11 to F12 using
yum and rpm, but it was not very clean.)

A fresh install of F11 (or even F12) after trying out a livecd possibly
would have been a better approach.

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Re: USB wireless broadband modem from Vodafone on F11 HOW TO CONNECT?

2009-10-10 Thread Didar Hossain
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 7:27 PM, L yuan...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:13 PM, L yuan...@gmail.com wrote:


 thanks, my modem is E620 too. after activated, i was give

 account number 4000x
 MSISDN 0451xx  alike mobile number
 pin xx

 which of these is phone, password and username in wvdial,conf

 thanks for your help

 fater put this

 phone = *99#
 username = 0451xx
 password=

 in the wvdial.conf

 I get this messege




 YATZ
 OK
 -- Sending: ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 C1 D2 +FCLASS=0
 ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 C1 D2 +FCLASS=0
 OK
 -- Modem initialized.
 -- Cannot get information for serial port.
 -- Initializing modem.
 -- Sending: ATZ
 ATZ
 OK
 -- Sending: ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 C1 D2 +FCLASS=0
 ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 C1 D2 +FCLASS=0
 OK
 -- Modem initialized.
 -- Sending: ATDT*99#
 -- Waiting for carrier.
 ATDT*99#
 CONNECT
 -- Carrier detected.  Starting PPP immediately.
 -- Starting pppd at Fri Oct  9 00:52:53 2009
 -- Pid of pppd: 6947
 -- pppd: H[1b] `[19]
 -- Using interface ppp0
 -- pppd: H[1b] `[19]
 -- pppd: H[1b] `[19]
 -- Authentication (CHAP) started
 -- pppd: H[1b] `[19]
 -- pppd: H[1b] `[19]
 -- Authentication (CHAP) started
 -- pppd: H[1b] `[19]
 -- pppd: H[1b] `[19]
 -- Authentication (CHAP) successful
 -- pppd: H[1b] `[19]
 -- pppd: H[1b] `[19]
 -- pppd: H[1b] `[19]
 -- pppd: H[1b] `[19]
 -- pppd: H[1b] `[19]
 -- pppd: H[1b] `[19]
 -- Disconnecting at Fri Oct  9 00:52:58 2009
 -- The PPP daemon has died: A modem hung up the phone (exit code = 16)
 -- man pppd explains pppd error codes in more detail.
 -- Try again and look into /var/log/messages and the wvdial and pppd man
 pages for more information.
 -- Auto Reconnect will be attempted in 20 seconds
 -- Cannot get information for serial port.
 -- Initializing modem.
 -- Sending: ATZ
 ATZ
 OK
 -- Sending: ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 C1 D2 +FCLASS=0
 ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 C1 D2 +FCLASS=0
 OK


Does it not connect at all. Error 16 means modem hang-up. It happened to me
once, but, I could connect after wvdial redialed.

Regards,
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Re: libvirtd and public access to guests

2009-10-10 Thread Didar Hossain
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Pavel Lisy p...@tmapy.cz wrote:
 Hello

 I've started playing with libvirt and I have question?

 What is proper way to make guest accessible from net.

 I have mode=nat /var/lib/libvirt/network/default.xml.

 libvirtd makes this rules in FORWARD chain

 -A FORWARD -d 192.168.231.0/24 -o virbr0 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED 
 -j ACCEPT
 -A FORWARD -s 192.168.231.0/24 -i virbr0 -j ACCEPT
 -A FORWARD -i virbr0 -o virbr0 -j ACCEPT
 -A FORWARD -o virbr0 -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
 -A FORWARD -i virbr0 -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
 -A FORWARD -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited

 If I add
 iptables -I FORWARD -i eth0 -o virbr0 -j ACCEPT
 guests are accessible

 My question is:
 Is is possible write this somewhere to configuration?

 I've tried to put it in /etc/sysconfig/iptables but it libvirtd put his
 rules before mine.


 I've found two directories
 /var/lib/libvirt/iptables/filter
 /var/lib/libvirt/iptables/nat

I was hoping someone with more experience would help you on this issue.

It is better to write your own rules than messing with these files
(/var/lib/libvirt).

The default network mode of libvirt is a private network behind NAT.
The guests are provided
an IP address via DHCP. If you want a guest to be accessible from the
Internet then you will
have to configure static IP in your guest, ensure that you give an IP
in the 192.168.231.0/24
range.

Then you will have to set up DNAT iptable rules. AFAIK, to prevent
libvirt from overriding your
rules, you should be using -I (INSERT) instead of -A (APPEND). Put
your rules in the file
/etc/sysconfig/iptables

This is the theory. I *do not* use libvirt. I use VDE for my
networking with command line KVM.

HTH,
Didar

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Re: Firefox will not start from desktop

2009-10-10 Thread g
Anthony Houston wrote:

 Firefox will not start from the desktop icon but will start from the CLI
 but only as su.

is '/usr/bin' in your 'env PATH'?

check for file '~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/lock'. if present, delete it,
try to start as user.

not sure if 'error console' logs individually between users, so when you start
firefox from cli as su, check 'tools  error console' or ctrl+shift+j, to
see what is logged.

if you see too many to comprehend, clear them, close firefox as su, try to
start as user, then reopen as su and check 'error console' again.



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Re: libvirtd and public access to guests

2009-10-10 Thread Didar Hossain
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Didar Hossain didar.hoss...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Pavel Lisy p...@tmapy.cz wrote:
 Hello

 I've started playing with libvirt and I have question?

 What is proper way to make guest accessible from net.

 I have mode=nat /var/lib/libvirt/network/default.xml.

 libvirtd makes this rules in FORWARD chain

 -A FORWARD -d 192.168.231.0/24 -o virbr0 -m state --state 
 RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
 -A FORWARD -s 192.168.231.0/24 -i virbr0 -j ACCEPT
 -A FORWARD -i virbr0 -o virbr0 -j ACCEPT
 -A FORWARD -o virbr0 -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
 -A FORWARD -i virbr0 -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
 -A FORWARD -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited

 If I add
 iptables -I FORWARD -i eth0 -o virbr0 -j ACCEPT
 guests are accessible

 My question is:
 Is is possible write this somewhere to configuration?

 I've tried to put it in /etc/sysconfig/iptables but it libvirtd put his
 rules before mine.


 I've found two directories
 /var/lib/libvirt/iptables/filter
 /var/lib/libvirt/iptables/nat

 I was hoping someone with more experience would help you on this issue.

 It is better to write your own rules than messing with these files
 (/var/lib/libvirt).

 The default network mode of libvirt is a private network behind NAT.
 The guests are provided
 an IP address via DHCP. If you want a guest to be accessible from the
 Internet then you will
 have to configure static IP in your guest, ensure that you give an IP
 in the 192.168.231.0/24
 range.

 Then you will have to set up DNAT iptable rules. AFAIK, to prevent
 libvirt from overriding your
 rules, you should be using -I (INSERT) instead of -A (APPEND). Put
 your rules in the file
 /etc/sysconfig/iptables

 This is the theory. I *do not* use libvirt. I use VDE for my
 networking with command line KVM.

 HTH,
 Didar


Forgot to add - you have to INSERT the rules in reverse order so
that the correct sequence
of rules are put in place.

Didar

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keeping the old public key (id_rsa.pub) when upgrading Fedora

2009-10-10 Thread Mark Ryden
Hello,
  I have several fedora machines which I upgrade/reinstall, from time to time.

  I do this by reinstalling Fedora (I know that there is an upgrade
option for Fedora but I prefer to reinstall).
When doing so, the /root/.ssh folder is of course deleted.
Now, on some of these machine, I have a public key which is installed
on several servers to enable me
ssh access to these machines without typing the password.
The public key is generated thus:
ssh-keygen -t rsa
And it generates 2 files:
id_rsa  and id_rsa.pub
And I paste the contents of id_rsa.pub to the server
/root./ssh/authorized_keys (or  /root./ssh/authorized_keys2).


Any idea if there is a way to keep the id_rsa.pub when reinstalling Fedora ?

(If I try  ssh-keygen -t rsa after reinstall, I am unable to ssh to
these servers.)

Regards,
Mark

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Re: keeping the old public key (id_rsa.pub) when upgrading Fedora

2009-10-10 Thread Mark Knoop
At 11:52 on 10 Oct 2009, Mark Ryden wrote:
 Hello,
   I have several fedora machines which I upgrade/reinstall, from time
 to time.
 
   I do this by reinstalling Fedora (I know that there is an upgrade
 option for Fedora but I prefer to reinstall).
 When doing so, the /root/.ssh folder is of course deleted.
 Now, on some of these machine, I have a public key which is installed
 on several servers to enable me
 ssh access to these machines without typing the password.
 The public key is generated thus:
 ssh-keygen -t rsa
 And it generates 2 files:
   id_rsa  and id_rsa.pub
 And I paste the contents of id_rsa.pub to the server
 /root./ssh/authorized_keys (or  /root./ssh/authorized_keys2).
 
 
 Any idea if there is a way to keep the id_rsa.pub when reinstalling
 Fedora ?

How about backing it up?

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No IRC support in Fedora 12?!?

2009-10-10 Thread Valent Turkovic
Hi, current rawhide and Empathy client show great promise as it adds 
audio and video conference options.

But one thing that Fedora users are used to have, IRC chat, seams like it 
is not supported and not working in current version of Empathy.

Are Fedora developers aware of that? Is there some fallback plan to 
include IRC support in default Fedora Desktop spin in some other way?



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Re: No IRC support in Fedora 12?!?

2009-10-10 Thread Pikachu_2014
2009/10/10 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com

 Hi, current rawhide and Empathy client show great promise as it adds
 audio and video conference options.

 But one thing that Fedora users are used to have, IRC chat, seams like it
 is not supported and not working in current version of Empathy.

 Are Fedora developers aware of that? Is there some fallback plan to
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Hi,

IRC support for Empathy is provided by the telepathy-idle package. Do you
have it installed?
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Re: No IRC support in Fedora 12?!?

2009-10-10 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:45:36 +0200, Pikachu_2014 wrote:

 IRC support for Empathy is provided by the telepathy-idle package. Do
 you have it installed?

Yup, I installed it, and I see no difference. BTW why isn't it installed 
by default as a dependency?



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Re: Test GIMP 2.7/2.8 ?

2009-10-10 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:34:25 +, Valent Turkovic wrote:

 I there a way to test new GIMP 2.7/2.8 in Fedora? I looked in Rawhide
 repos and I still see only 2.6x versions there. Any plans to put 2.7 in
 Rawhide repost for testing purposes?

Should I ask on development channel?



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Gnome or KDE - why not ask?

2009-10-10 Thread Timothy Murphy
I'd like to be asked during installation
if I want to use Gnome or KDE or some other environment.
Am I alone in this?
One has to go through a slightly tortuous path
to get KDE installed.
  
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Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?

2009-10-10 Thread Joshua C.
2009/10/10 Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net:
 I'd like to be asked during installation
 if I want to use Gnome or KDE or some other environment.
 Am I alone in this?
 One has to go through a slightly tortuous path
 to get KDE installed.

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Take a look at this:
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f11/en-US/html/sn-package-selection.html

It's from the f11 installation guide (section software selection).
Just click on desktop environments and choose KDE or GNOME. It's
simple enough.

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Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?

2009-10-10 Thread Timothy Murphy
Joshua C. wrote:

 I'd like to be asked during installation
 if I want to use Gnome or KDE or some other environment.
 Am I alone in this?
 One has to go through a slightly tortuous path
 to get KDE installed.

 Take a look at this:
 http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f11/en-US/html/sn-package-
selection.html
 
 It's from the f11 installation guide (section software selection).
 Just click on desktop environments and choose KDE or GNOME. It's
 simple enough.

How many people installing Fedora for the first - or even the second -
time would choose to Customize now?
It is like saying, If you think you are cleverer than me,
press this button.



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Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?

2009-10-10 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:37:28 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:

  If you think you
 are cleverer than me, press this button.

Good point.



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Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?

2009-10-10 Thread Joshua C.
2009/10/10 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com:
 On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:37:28 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:

  If you think you
 are cleverer than me, press this button.

 Good point.



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I understand your frustration but I cannot agree with you.

The installation process guides you through some basic points (like
grub, partitioning, basic packages). Most distributions nowadays ship
with both kde and gnome. By default fedora installs gnome and I think
every user who wants to try it should know this. It's not about being
clever or not. The PackageKit then gives you the ability to install
and set kde.

Even typing set kde as default in fedora during installation in
google will give you tons of examples how to do it. And the
installation guide is really well written. The only problem is how
many people ever read it?

Basic productivity means just this: basic: the ability to use your
hardware for doing simple computer tasks. If you want something more
then you should at least try to find some information about it.

You want to customize fedora with your preference for kde. Therefore
it's natural for me to click on customize now because it differs
from the default options. This option isn't hidden and it doesn't make
the installer clever than you.

How would you react if instead of customize now the button read
choose default environment and extra packages? Would that change
anything during the installation? Think about how many people would
like to customize thier installation with options ranging from
setting default environment to options for sound card, etc. There
is no way to satisfy all those wishes. Anakonda really gives you
enough tools to customze your system but you have to learn how to use
this installer.

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Re: keeping the old public key (id_rsa.pub) when upgrading Fedora

2009-10-10 Thread Joe

Hi,

backup the files or make a update!

cu Joe

On 10/10/2009 12:00 PM, Mark Knoop wrote:

At 11:52 on 10 Oct 2009, Mark Ryden wrote:
   

Hello,
   I have several fedora machines which I upgrade/reinstall, from time
to time.

   I do this by reinstalling Fedora (I know that there is an upgrade
option for Fedora but I prefer to reinstall).
When doing so, the /root/.ssh folder is of course deleted.
Now, on some of these machine, I have a public key which is installed
on several servers to enable me
ssh access to these machines without typing the password.
The public key is generated thus:
ssh-keygen -t rsa
And it generates 2 files:
id_rsa  and id_rsa.pub
And I paste the contents of id_rsa.pub to the server
/root./ssh/authorized_keys (or  /root./ssh/authorized_keys2).


Any idea if there is a way to keep the id_rsa.pub when reinstalling
Fedora ?
 

How about backing it up?

   


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Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?

2009-10-10 Thread Ed Greshko
Timothy Murphy wrote:

 How many people installing Fedora for the first - or even the second -
 time would choose to Customize now?
 It is like saying, If you think you are cleverer than me,
 press this button.


   
Actually, I wonder how many people installing any linux distribution for
the first time knows enough to ask the questions:  What is KDE?  What is
Gnome?  And, if they don't know that...maybe they should be reading
about it before they install?  Or, maybe they just install thinking
there is only GUI...without of course knowing what a GUI is.

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Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?

2009-10-10 Thread Timothy Murphy
Joshua C. wrote:

 The installation process guides you through some basic points (like
 grub, partitioning, basic packages).

While I am at it, I think the partitioning options are badly put, too.
The first option should be to use the current partitions, in my view.
The second should be to set up partitions as one wants.

I suspect that most people who have installed Fedora before
know that it is best to avoid the crazy system suggested by Anaconda.

 Most distributions nowadays ship
 with both kde and gnome. By default fedora installs gnome and I think
 every user who wants to try it should know this. It's not about being
 clever or not. The PackageKit then gives you the ability to install
 and set kde.

I'm not sure what this means.
It is more or less impossible to replace Gnome by KDE after installation,
in my experience.

I'm afraid that I suspect a political or philosophical motive at work here.
Redhat/Anaconda have a sort of vestigial loyalty to Gnome,
and don't want the alternative to be too visible.

It's a bit like asking a Ford dealer to admit he sells more Toyotas.


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Re: No IRC support in Fedora 12?!?

2009-10-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 10/10/2009 04:20 PM, Valent Turkovic wrote:
 On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:45:36 +0200, Pikachu_2014 wrote:
 
 IRC support for Empathy is provided by the telepathy-idle package. Do
 you have it installed?
 
 Yup, I installed it, and I see no difference. BTW why isn't it installed 
 by default as a dependency?

It is not a dependency. It is a optional plugin. If the question about
IRC support is directed at developers, fedora-desktop list might be a
better place to ask.

Rahul

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Re: libvirtd and public access to guests

2009-10-10 Thread Bill Davidsen

Didar Hossain wrote:

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Pavel Lisy p...@tmapy.cz wrote:

Hello

I've started playing with libvirt and I have question?

What is proper way to make guest accessible from net.

I have mode=nat /var/lib/libvirt/network/default.xml.

libvirtd makes this rules in FORWARD chain

-A FORWARD -d 192.168.231.0/24 -o virbr0 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED 
-j ACCEPT
-A FORWARD -s 192.168.231.0/24 -i virbr0 -j ACCEPT
-A FORWARD -i virbr0 -o virbr0 -j ACCEPT
-A FORWARD -o virbr0 -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
-A FORWARD -i virbr0 -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
-A FORWARD -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited

If I add
iptables -I FORWARD -i eth0 -o virbr0 -j ACCEPT
guests are accessible

My question is:
Is is possible write this somewhere to configuration?

I've tried to put it in /etc/sysconfig/iptables but it libvirtd put his
rules before mine.


I've found two directories
/var/lib/libvirt/iptables/filter
/var/lib/libvirt/iptables/nat


I was hoping someone with more experience would help you on this issue.

It is better to write your own rules than messing with these files
(/var/lib/libvirt).

The default network mode of libvirt is a private network behind NAT.
The guests are provided
an IP address via DHCP. If you want a guest to be accessible from the
Internet then you will
have to configure static IP in your guest, ensure that you give an IP
in the 192.168.231.0/24
range.

Then you will have to set up DNAT iptable rules. AFAIK, to prevent
libvirt from overriding your
rules, you should be using -I (INSERT) instead of -A (APPEND). Put
your rules in the file
/etc/sysconfig/iptables

This is the theory. I *do not* use libvirt. I use VDE for my
networking with command line KVM.

I set mine up to pass through to the DHCP server in the outside world, and 
identify the VM by using a MAC address setting so DHCP can assign the IP. If for 
any reason I need to change IP addressing I can do it all in the dhcpd.conf 
file. I'm also using KVM from the command line, with startup scripts, and I 
define my own bridge and add the external NIC to that.


Another of the many possible ways to address having servers in a VM.

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Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?

2009-10-10 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 14:34 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
 Joshua C. wrote:
 
  The installation process guides you through some basic points (like
  grub, partitioning, basic packages).
 
 While I am at it, I think the partitioning options are badly put, too.
 The first option should be to use the current partitions, in my view.
 The second should be to set up partitions as one wants.

I kind of agree. I must have installed every Fedora system since FC1 and
every single time I get to this question (or the equivalent in earlier
versions) I have doubts about how to proceed. I almost always want to
keep my existing partition scheme and just install (not update) the new
Fedora version on /, preserving /home untouched, but the dialogue
doesn't make it easy to understand how to do this. It would reduce
installation anxiety considerably if Anaconda told me the exact
consequences of each option before asking me to confirm, but for some
reason every time I get to this point I find myself wondering what does
this *really* mean?.

Maybe I'm just paranoid.

 I suspect that most people who have installed Fedora before
 know that it is best to avoid the crazy system suggested by Anaconda.
 
  Most distributions nowadays ship
  with both kde and gnome. By default fedora installs gnome and I think
  every user who wants to try it should know this. It's not about being
  clever or not. The PackageKit then gives you the ability to install
  and set kde.
 
 I'm not sure what this means.
 It is more or less impossible to replace Gnome by KDE after installation,
 in my experience.

Strictly speaking it *is* impossible to install Fedora without at least
part of Gnome. Installing both and choosing one or the other is not
difficult. Installing from a KDE-focussed download isn't hard either and
is usually what I do.

 I'm afraid that I suspect a political or philosophical motive at work here.
 Redhat/Anaconda have a sort of vestigial loyalty to Gnome,
 and don't want the alternative to be too visible.

There's nothing vestigial about it. Fedora is upfront about being a
Gnome distro which also supports KDE. For example the upcoming DeviceKit
stuff mentions Gnome components in the same breath as the kernel. This
is common in Fedora docs. I gripe about it from time to time but I doubt
anything can be done about it at present. The current state of free
desktop architectures doesn't seem to allow neutrality.

poc

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Re: No IRC support in Fedora 12?!?

2009-10-10 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Valent Turkovic
valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, current rawhide and Empathy client show great promise as it adds
 audio and video conference options.

 But one thing that Fedora users are used to have, IRC chat, seams like it
 is not supported and not working in current version of Empathy.

 Are Fedora developers aware of that? Is there some fallback plan to
 include IRC support in default Fedora Desktop spin in some other way?

Install SeaMonkey. And there you have a IRC client built-in, Chatzilla.
From the browser or email client press Ctrl-6 and the Chatzilla module loads.

FC

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Re: Can ISPs be trusted?

2009-10-10 Thread Bill Davidsen

Alan Cox wrote:

The question is as much can they ISP employees be trusted

Most of the tools assume not for anything critical

- Firewalls on PCs are user not ISP managed
- SSL uses digital signatures so that if your ISP or its staff try to
  like about name to address mappings you get warned
- ssh uses crypto and host keys and the like

There are plenty of people in the ISP world who can earn good money from
installing loggers for people without needing to worry about the
government ;)

I trust Verizon to do the wrong thing in every case. When DNS poisoning was an 
issue, they not only didn't use random ports for DNS inqueries, they DNATed any 
DNS request to teir DNS server, so I couldn't even run my own correctly patched 
DNS. Now they have blocked access to mail servers other than their own, by doing 
the same thing to port 25, claiming that people can use 3rd party mail services 
if only the 3rd party services will convert to Verizon's mail protocol.


You can get an unfiltered connect to the Internet for only $300US more each 
month, indicating that they aren't interested in blocking SPAM, just in getting 
more money from spammers and anyone running their own mail.


Fortunately there is another provider available.

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Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?

2009-10-10 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
pocallag...@gmail.com wrote:
 There's nothing vestigial about it. Fedora is upfront about being a
 Gnome distro which also supports KDE. For example the upcoming DeviceKit
 stuff mentions Gnome components in the same breath as the kernel. This
 is common in Fedora docs. I gripe about it from time to time but I doubt
 anything can be done about it at present. The current state of free
 desktop architectures doesn't seem to allow neutrality.

Then step up and do the work, if you want KDE on an equal footing.
It's not like the KDE people within Fedora haven't been saying this
for ages and ages and ages.

Gods know I couldn't care less about KDE, but the incessant wah wah
wah we're a second-class citizen gets very old.

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Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?

2009-10-10 Thread William Case
Hi;

Patrick, I am with you!

On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 09:52 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 14:34 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
  Joshua C. wrote:
  
   The installation process guides you through some basic points (like
   grub, partitioning, basic packages).
  
  While I am at it, I think the partitioning options are badly put, too.
  The first option should be to use the current partitions, in my view.
  The second should be to set up partitions as one wants.
 
 I kind of agree. I must have installed every Fedora system since FC1 and
 every single time I get to this question (or the equivalent in earlier
 versions) I have doubts about how to proceed. I almost always want to
 keep my existing partition scheme and just install (not update) the new
 Fedora version on /, preserving /home untouched, but the dialogue
 doesn't make it easy to understand how to do this. It would reduce
 installation anxiety considerably if Anaconda told me the exact
 consequences of each option before asking me to confirm, but for some
 reason every time I get to this point I find myself wondering what does
 this *really* mean?.
 
 Maybe I'm just paranoid.
 

Even for experienced users, some of the Anaconda choices are full of
FUD.  Keeping in mind, that most people don't re-partition very often,
or install grub very often or burn DVD's very often or rename their
machines very often, or input the addresses of their repos very often
etc. etc., asking them to choose a process when their machines have been
taken over by the installation process and it is too late to double
check, is confusing at the best of times and infuriating when things are
going wrong.

I really feel sorry for someone installing for the first time who is
brand new to Linux or Fedora.

There should be explanation Buttons through out Ananconda, not written
for the experienced, but for the newbie particularly somebody coming
over from M$ Windows.  Much of that text already exists in documentation
of Installation Notes and Release Notes.  The problem is that those
documents are unavailable when a user needs them the most. 

  I suspect that most people who have installed Fedora before
  know that it is best to avoid the crazy system suggested by Anaconda.
  

In the past, I have inadvertently got into one of the non-custom options
and had to back out and re-start the installation.  (Actually I didn't
have to re-start, but I didn't know that at the time.) 


 Strictly speaking it *is* impossible to install Fedora without at least
 part of Gnome. Installing both and choosing one or the other is not
 difficult. Installing from a KDE-focussed download isn't hard either and
 is usually what I do.

 There's nothing vestigial about it. Fedora is upfront about being a
 Gnome distro which also supports KDE. For example the upcoming DeviceKit
 stuff mentions Gnome components in the same breath as the kernel. This
 is common in Fedora docs. I gripe about it from time to time but I doubt
 anything can be done about it at present. The current state of free
 desktop architectures doesn't seem to allow neutrality.
 

I keep a TomBoy note ongoing in which I add a list of all of the dickey
little things I have to do before and while installing the latest Fedora
version.  I print it out as hard copy just before each time I install.
(Just in case.) Unfortunately, that list is getting longer and longer.

To me Anaconda should or could be Fedora's main sales page.  When I
think of the time and frustration of installing a M$ Windows OS,
Fedora's installation should be reduced to a couple of Button pushes as
a comparison.

On first start after installation, gpk-application should be thrust
front and centre in order to pick your applications.  I have a bash
script that runs yum with a list of about 20 applications I want with
each Fedora version.  It took me a couple of weeks on Fedora 11 to
discover that Ad/remove Software i.e.gpk-application, could quickly
get me everything I wanted.

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Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?

2009-10-10 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 08:10 -0700, Marc Wilson wrote:
 On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
 pocallag...@gmail.com wrote:
  There's nothing vestigial about it. Fedora is upfront about being a
  Gnome distro which also supports KDE. For example the upcoming DeviceKit
  stuff mentions Gnome components in the same breath as the kernel. This
  is common in Fedora docs. I gripe about it from time to time but I doubt
  anything can be done about it at present. The current state of free
  desktop architectures doesn't seem to allow neutrality.
 
 Then step up and do the work, if you want KDE on an equal footing.
 It's not like the KDE people within Fedora haven't been saying this
 for ages and ages and ages.
 
 Gods know I couldn't care less about KDE, but the incessant wah wah
 wah we're a second-class citizen gets very old.

I'm simply responding to Tim's comment with my take on the facts as they
are. I don't expect them to change and I'm certainly not in a position
to change them myself, but I use Fedora anyway as it's by far the best
distro out there for what I want.

The perennial if you don't like it then fix the problem yourself or
just shut up is what gets very old, as do witty paraphrases such as
you can always return it for a full refund. So only seasoned
developers get to have an opinion and the rest of us can just take what
we get and be thankful? I don't think so.

poc

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Tons of USB messages

2009-10-10 Thread Reid Rivenburgh
Hi.  For months, I've been getting messages like the following to
/var/log/messages:

Oct 10 09:39:32 pigpen kernel: hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB
device on port 7

I'm getting about 3-4 per second, so the file gets to be a couple
hundred megabytes.  It seems kind of silly.  Is there any way to
disable these messages short of disconnecting the device?  I think the
device in question is a card reader that came integrated with the
desktop PC, so I'm not sure what it might take to disconnect it.  I
don't think it works in any case.

Thanks,
Reid

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Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?

2009-10-10 Thread Roberto Ragusa
Marc Wilson wrote:

 Then step up and do the work, if you want KDE on an equal footing.
 It's not like the KDE people within Fedora haven't been saying this
 for ages and ages and ages.

It became evident a few months ago that a suggestion like yours,
while certainly reasonable, is not useful.

Even if KDE were good/polished/complete enough (and it actually is),
the proposal let the user choose desktop was replied with
we do not want the user to choose.

So, given:
a) the user will not choose, we choose
b) our choice is GNOME

KDE people have been unable to change a).
Attacking b) is not natural to KDE people, as KDE *is* fundamentally
about _choice_ (the same doesn't apply to GNOME, which is fundamentally
about _pre-cooked_).

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Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?

2009-10-10 Thread clarice oshea
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Roberto Ragusa m...@robertoragusa.it wrote:

 Marc Wilson wrote:

  Then step up and do the work, if you want KDE on an equal footing.
  It's not like the KDE people within Fedora haven't been saying this
  for ages and ages and ages.

 It became evident a few months ago that a suggestion like yours,
 while certainly reasonable, is not useful.

 Even if KDE were good/polished/complete enough (and it actually is),
 the proposal let the user choose desktop was replied with
 we do not want the user to choose.

 So, given:
 a) the user will not choose, we choose
 b) our choice is GNOME

 KDE people have been unable to change a).
 Attacking b) is not natural to KDE people, as KDE *is* fundamentally
 about _choice_ (the same doesn't apply to GNOME, which is fundamentally
 about _pre-cooked_).

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Re: Test GIMP 2.7/2.8 ?

2009-10-10 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:52:26 +,
  Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:34:25 +, Valent Turkovic wrote:
 
  I there a way to test new GIMP 2.7/2.8 in Fedora? I looked in Rawhide
  repos and I still see only 2.6x versions there. Any plans to put 2.7 in
  Rawhide repost for testing purposes?
 
 Should I ask on development channel?

You might file an RFE bug against gimp and see what the packager says.

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Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?

2009-10-10 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 12:37 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
 Joshua C. wrote:
 
  I'd like to be asked during installation
  if I want to use Gnome or KDE or some other environment.
  Am I alone in this?
  One has to go through a slightly tortuous path
  to get KDE installed.
 
  Take a look at this:
  http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f11/en-US/html/sn-package-
 selection.html
  
  It's from the f11 installation guide (section software selection).
  Just click on desktop environments and choose KDE or GNOME. It's
  simple enough.
 
 How many people installing Fedora for the first - or even the second -
 time would choose to Customize now?

probably nearly identical to the number of people who know that there's
a choice of desktop managers.

Craig



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Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?

2009-10-10 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 8:25 AM, William Case billli...@rogers.com wrote:

 There should be explanation Buttons through out Ananconda, not written
 for the experienced, but for the newbie particularly somebody coming
 over from M$ Windows.  Much of that text already exists in documentation
 of Installation Notes and Release Notes.  The problem is that those
 documents are unavailable when a user needs them the most.

I call bull.  They are available before he starts.

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Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?

2009-10-10 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
pocallag...@gmail.com wrote:

 The perennial if you don't like it then fix the problem yourself or
 just shut up is what gets very old, as do witty paraphrases such as
 you can always return it for a full refund. So only seasoned
 developers get to have an opinion and the rest of us can just take what
 we get and be thankful? I don't think so.

Everyone certainly gets to have an opinion.

The KDE thing is very old.  The difference, however, is that the KDE
people within Fedora are, always saying please, come help us, and
all anyone wants to do is complain about how things aren't the way
they think they should be.

File bug reports.  Help with translations. Do whatever.

No one wants to.

(gods help me, the world is about to implode, I'm speaking in favor of KDE)

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Re: [OT] TTF problem while compiling from source

2009-10-10 Thread suvayu ali
Can anyone shed some light on this? I still haven't been able to
resolve this. Just some pointers on where I might find my answers is
all I need. This font business is very confusing to me.

2009/10/7 Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com:
 Hi everyone,

 I have a weird problem probably very specific to Fedora, hence who better to
 ask but thte list? ;)

 I am trying to compile the latest svn trunk of ROOT[1]. It compiles without
 errors and everything seems fine. While using the interactive CLI (known as
 CINT, its an _interpreter_ for C++), one of the GUIs segfaults with an error
 like this:

 Root  Error in RootX11ErrorHandler: BadFont (invalid Font parameter)
 (XID: 54526094, XREQ: 46)

 I have reported this to the developers and they haven't been able to
 duplicate this problem on their end (on Scientific Linux 4  5). Hence they
 think this might be something very specific to Fedora. On my system I have
 installed everything using yum, so unless there is some inconsistency
 somewhere everything should be fine. I haven't seen any other font problems
 in any of the apps I use. So kinda stumped how to troubleshoot this.

 This is what one of them had to say about the problem,

 That's really weird. It looks like it is connected with the GUI.

 Note that the fact something is installed using yum does not makes it
 safe. I recently had problem with a package called graphviz. The official
 yum version did not work for me. I had to installed it myself. But is the
 case the TTF yum install should be good I guess.

 (he made the last comment since I had mentioned I have used yum for
 everything)

 Now what would be the packages I should be looking at for this? I tried `yum
 search ttf' but that only comes up with fonts. Is there some package that
 controls how fonts behave in general? I have heard of fontconfig and
 something about ROOT not using fontconfig[2] but I don't know whether that
 is relevant here.

 This framework is like bread and butter for me, so pointers to where I
 should look to get behind all this will be very helpful. Thank you in
 advance for any suggestions.

 [1] http://root.cern.ch/
 [2] This was mentioned in a Review request for ROOT. Look at comment #33 by
 Nicolas Mailhot in the following bugzilla report.
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=451744

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Looking for some apache config help to block evil spiders

2009-10-10 Thread Steven W. Orr
I never really checked before, but I have a lot of evil spiders crawling
around my server. Some of them respect my robots.txt file and others do not.
Some of the ones that do are still *very* pushy. So I decided to shut that
bastards off. Here's what I added to my httpd.conf:

RewriteLoglogs/rewrite_log
RewriteLogLevel 1

RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}  ^Baiduspider.* [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}  ^msnbot.* [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}  ^NaverBot.* [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}  ^Sogou-Test-Spider.*
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}  ^Mozilla/4.0.*
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}  ^T-Mobile Dash.*
RewriteRule .* - [F,L]

and inside each of the virtual domains, I added:

RewriteEngine On
RewriteOptions Inherit

Here's the problem. What I want to see is the rewrite_log telling me what it
has redirected or failed. Instead, I'm getting a line telling me every link
that it does NOT rewrite. For example:

72.30.65.61 - - [10/Oct/2009:14:28:24 --0400] \
[vdom.syslang.net/sid#b7298ed0][rid#b6b488e8/initial] (1) pass through /d1/fn

I have googled my brains out and it seems like others have had the same
questions. I see no answers. If anyone has any idea I love to hear it.

I understand that nod_rewrite is complicated, but what I'd like to end up with
a log of all the spiders that got rejected by my rules. Current;y, the
access_log tells me where the attempt is, the error_log tell me nothing and
the rewrite_log is telling me more than I want with none of what I need.

The goal is to see the spiders bouncing off.

Anyone?

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Re: Looking for some apache config help to block evil spiders

2009-10-10 Thread Sharpe, Sam J
2009/10/10 Steven W. Orr ste...@syslang.net:
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}  ^Baiduspider.* [OR]
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}  ^msnbot.* [OR]
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}  ^NaverBot.* [OR]
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}  ^Sogou-Test-Spider.*
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}  ^Mozilla/4.0.*
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}  ^T-Mobile Dash.*
 RewriteRule .* - [F,L]

Are you actually missing the [OR] at the end of the 4th and 5th
RewriteCond lines, or is that a mispaste...

If you are missing the [OR] then you are only matching things that
starts with any of the top four matches AND Mozilla/4.0 AND T-Mobile
Dash (somewhat mutually exclusive!)...

Correct that and try again...

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Re: Looking for some apache config help to block evil spiders

2009-10-10 Thread Sharpe, Sam J
2009/10/10 Sharpe, Sam J sam.sharpe+lists.red...@gmail.com:
 2009/10/10 Steven W. Orr ste...@syslang.net:
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}  ^Baiduspider.* [OR]
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}  ^msnbot.* [OR]
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}  ^NaverBot.* [OR]
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}  ^Sogou-Test-Spider.*
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}  ^Mozilla/4.0.*
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}  ^T-Mobile Dash.*
 RewriteRule .* - [F,L]

 Are you actually missing the [OR] at the end of the 4th and 5th
 RewriteCond lines, or is that a mispaste...

 If you are missing the [OR] then you are only matching things that
 starts with any of the top four matches AND Mozilla/4.0 AND T-Mobile
 Dash (somewhat mutually exclusive!)...

I found this for a customer today, it's a cracking read and has some
great pre-written ways of blocking this kind of thing:
http://www.askapache.com/htaccess/fight-blog-spam-with-apache.html


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Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?

2009-10-10 Thread Mail Lists

  Well - how about this. When Linus goes back to kde as his desktop,
then maybe we should make it a simple choice

   Choose your desktop:

   a) Make it a surpise

   b) You pick for me please

   c) make it the same as Linus)

   e) Windows 7 please (press Ctrl-Alt-Delete-Shift-911)
  Go shopping.

 a) is not available and at the moment (b) and (c) are the same ..

... ;-) (=== NB smiley)

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recovering mp3 files

2009-10-10 Thread Dave Stevens
I have an external drive formatted ntfs that had some mp3 files that were 
erased by mistake. I've tried both foremost and scalpel to recover them but 
neither supports mp3 file format. Does anyone have a suggestion about a 
program that might work for this?

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Re: Looking for some apache config help to block evil spiders

2009-10-10 Thread Steven W. Orr
On 10/10/09 14:37, quoth Steven W. Orr:
 I never really checked before, but I have a lot of evil spiders crawling
 around my server. Some of them respect my robots.txt file and others do not.
 Some of the ones that do are still *very* pushy. So I decided to shut that
 bastards off. Here's what I added to my httpd.conf:
 
 RewriteLoglogs/rewrite_log
 RewriteLogLevel 1
 
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}  ^Baiduspider.* [OR]
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}^msnbot.* [OR]
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}^NaverBot.* [OR]
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}^Sogou-Test-Spider.*
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}^Mozilla/4.0.*
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}^T-Mobile Dash.*
 RewriteRule .* - [F,L]
 
 and inside each of the virtual domains, I added:
 
 RewriteEngine On
 RewriteOptions Inherit
 
 Here's the problem. What I want to see is the rewrite_log telling me what it
 has redirected or failed. Instead, I'm getting a line telling me every link
 that it does NOT rewrite. For example:
 
 72.30.65.61 - - [10/Oct/2009:14:28:24 --0400] \
 [vdom.syslang.net/sid#b7298ed0][rid#b6b488e8/initial] (1) pass through /d1/fn
 
 I have googled my brains out and it seems like others have had the same
 questions. I see no answers. If anyone has any idea I love to hear it.
 
 I understand that nod_rewrite is complicated, but what I'd like to end up with
 a log of all the spiders that got rejected by my rules. Current;y, the
 access_log tells me where the attempt is, the error_log tell me nothing and
 the rewrite_log is telling me more than I want with none of what I need.
 
 The goal is to see the spiders bouncing off.
 
 Anyone?
 
 

On 10/10/09 14:55, quoth Sharpe, Sam J:
 Are you actually missing the [OR] at the end of the 4th and 5th
 RewriteCond lines, or is that a mispaste...

Yes, thanks, I missed that, but that isn't the problem. The problem is that I
want to be able to see what gets rejected in the log files.

 I found this for a customer today, it's a cracking read and has some
 great pre-written ways of blocking this kind of thing:
 http://www.askapache.com/htaccess/fight-blog-spam-with-apache.html

Turns out there are a number of these kinds of pages out there and some of
them are asking the same question I am: How can I see the rejects in the log
files?

Anyone?


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Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?

2009-10-10 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 11:09 -0700, Marc Wilson wrote:
 On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
 pocallag...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  The perennial if you don't like it then fix the problem yourself or
  just shut up is what gets very old, as do witty paraphrases such as
  you can always return it for a full refund. So only seasoned
  developers get to have an opinion and the rest of us can just take what
  we get and be thankful? I don't think so.
 
 Everyone certainly gets to have an opinion.
 
 The KDE thing is very old.  The difference, however, is that the KDE
 people within Fedora are, always saying please, come help us, and
 all anyone wants to do is complain about how things aren't the way
 they think they should be.
 
 File bug reports.  Help with translations. Do whatever.
 
 No one wants to.

Depends where you look. Not everything is on this list, for example the
Fedora-KDE list is full of people making bug reports and try to help
however they can (and griping and asking questions like they do here of
course; that's what lists are for). I've filed a good 6 or 7 reports in
the past year or so.

However filing a bug report on a KDE app has no effect whatever on the
general Gnome-based policy of Fedora. Once again: I understand this and
don't expect it to change because I believe the state of the art in
Linux desktops simply hasn't reached a point where a distro can be both
genuinely DE-neutral and fully functional. The freedesktop people are
doing what they can and a lot of progress has been made, but there's a
long way to go.

Platforms where you don't get a choice don't have this problem of
course. They have other problems instead.

poc

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Re: Looking for some apache config help to block evil spiders

2009-10-10 Thread Sharpe, Sam J
2009/10/10 Steven W. Orr ste...@syslang.net:
 On 10/10/09 14:37, quoth Steven W. Orr:
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}  ^Baiduspider.* [OR]
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}        ^msnbot.* [OR]
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}        ^NaverBot.* [OR]
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}        ^Sogou-Test-Spider.*
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}        ^Mozilla/4.0.*
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}        ^T-Mobile Dash.*
 RewriteRule .* - [F,L]

 The goal is to see the spiders bouncing off.

 On 10/10/09 14:55, quoth Sharpe, Sam J:
 Are you actually missing the [OR] at the end of the 4th and 5th
 RewriteCond lines, or is that a mispaste...

 Yes, thanks, I missed that, but that isn't the problem. The problem is that I
 want to be able to see what gets rejected in the log files.

Your rule didn't match anything, because there are mutually exclusive
options ANDed  - that was my point.

You can't have a user_agent that starts with Mozilla AND Sogou - it
has to be one or the other, so you would have never seen anything in
the logs.

Without access to ALL your rewrite rules, I can't tell you whether
lines such as:

 72.30.65.61 - - [10/Oct/2009:14:28:24 --0400] \
 [vdom.syslang.net/sid#b7298ed0][rid#b6b488e8/initial] (1) pass through /d1/fn

are hits on the match set you posted above, or hits on another rewrite
rule, but I don't see any evidence that it's the Spider matching rule
that is generating those lines either.

You might also try upping RewriteLogLevel to something higher than 1
to see more detail...

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Re: Looking for some apache config help to block evil spiders

2009-10-10 Thread Tony Nelson
On 09-10-10 14:37:29, Steven W. Orr wrote:
 ... Here's what I added to my httpd.conf:
 
 RewriteLoglogs/rewrite_log
 RewriteLogLevel 1
 
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}  ^Baiduspider.* [OR]
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}^msnbot.* [OR]
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}^NaverBot.* [OR]
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}^Sogou-Test-Spider.*
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}^Mozilla/4.0.*
 RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT}^T-Mobile Dash.*
 RewriteRule .* - [F,L]
 
 and inside each of the virtual domains, I added:
 
 RewriteEngine On
 RewriteOptions Inherit
 
 Here's the problem. What I want to see is the rewrite_log telling me
 what it has redirected or failed. Instead, I'm getting a line telling 
 me every link that it does NOT rewrite. For example:
 
 72.30.65.61 - - [10/Oct/2009:14:28:24 --0400] \
 [vdom.syslang.net/sid#b7298ed0][rid#b6b488e8/initial] (1) pass 
 through /d1/fn
 
 I have googled my brains out and it seems like others have had the
 same questions. I see no answers. If anyone has any idea I love to 
 hear it.

WAG:  The RewriteRule doesn't actually rewrite anything.  Perhaps 
something would be logged if it did.  You'd probably still have the 
other log lines as well.

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Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?

2009-10-10 Thread David
On 10/10/2009 4:29 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 11:09 -0700, Marc Wilson wrote:
 On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
 pocallag...@gmail.com wrote:

 The perennial if you don't like it then fix the problem yourself or
 just shut up is what gets very old, as do witty paraphrases such as
 you can always return it for a full refund. So only seasoned
 developers get to have an opinion and the rest of us can just take what
 we get and be thankful? I don't think so.

 Everyone certainly gets to have an opinion.

 The KDE thing is very old.  The difference, however, is that the KDE
 people within Fedora are, always saying please, come help us, and
 all anyone wants to do is complain about how things aren't the way
 they think they should be.

 File bug reports.  Help with translations. Do whatever.

 No one wants to.
 
 Depends where you look. Not everything is on this list, for example the
 Fedora-KDE list is full of people making bug reports and try to help
 however they can (and griping and asking questions like they do here of
 course; that's what lists are for). I've filed a good 6 or 7 reports in
 the past year or so.
 
 However filing a bug report on a KDE app has no effect whatever on the
 general Gnome-based policy of Fedora. Once again: I understand this and
 don't expect it to change because I believe the state of the art in
 Linux desktops simply hasn't reached a point where a distro can be both
 genuinely DE-neutral and fully functional. The freedesktop people are
 doing what they can and a lot of progress has been made, but there's a
 long way to go.
 
 Platforms where you don't get a choice don't have this problem of
 course. They have other problems instead.


If your 'problem' with KDE belongs to Fedora, Fedora package specific,
was mine I would post it on Fedora's Bugzilla. If it was a KDE specific
problem I would post it on the KDE Bugzilla. The same would hold true of
specific questions.

As for Fedora being a GNOME *based* disto? Many, most?, of the Fedora
configuration *applications* are written in the same GTK that GNOME is
written in but Fedora runs just fine with only a KDE, or other, Desktop
installed and without a GNOME Desktop installed at all. You will, of
course, still see some libs and such as they are needed by the system
applications. But no GNOME Desktop will be installed, or be available to
run, *if* you tell the installer not to install a GNOME Desktop.


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Re: recovering mp3 files

2009-10-10 Thread g
Dave Stevens wrote:
 I have an external drive formatted ntfs that had some mp3 files that were 
 erased by mistake.

check these links;

http://3d2f.com/tags/linux/unerase/file/
http://shareme.com/showall/ntfs-unerase.html
http://linux-ext2-ext3-data-recovery-by-unistal.lastdownload.com/data-recovery-software.html
http://linux-ext3-unerase.qarchive.org/
http://ntfs-undelete.software.informer.com/
http://www.sharewareconnection.com/r-linux-data-recovery-freeware.htm

for more goto;
  http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=enoutput=linuxrestrict=linux
enter 'ntfs AND unerase' in 'all these words:'.

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Re: No IRC support in Fedora 12?!?

2009-10-10 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:28:14 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:

 Install SeaMonkey. And there you have a IRC client built-in, Chatzilla.

Anybody can install also pidgin, xchat or some other client, that is not 
the point. 

The point is that by default official Fedora Desktop Live CD will have 
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Re: No IRC support in Fedora 12?!?

2009-10-10 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Valent Turkovic
valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote:

 The point is that by default official Fedora Desktop Live CD will have
 one feature less than the previous release.

The point is that it's a live CD so who cares?

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Re: No IRC support in Fedora 12?!?

2009-10-10 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:17:54 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

 It is not a dependency. It is a optional plugin. If the question about
 IRC support is directed at developers, fedora-desktop list might be a
 better place to ask.

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Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?

2009-10-10 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 17:18 -0400, David wrote:
 As for Fedora being a GNOME *based* disto? Many, most?, of the Fedora
 configuration *applications* are written in the same GTK that GNOME is
 written in but Fedora runs just fine with only a KDE, or other,
 Desktop installed and without a GNOME Desktop installed at all. You
 will, of course, still see some libs and such as they are needed by
 the system applications. But no GNOME Desktop will be installed, or be
 available to run, *if* you tell the installer not to install a GNOME
 Desktop.

I don't think that contradicts anything I've said. The fact that system
applications need parts of a specific DE (even if no actual desktop is
installed) means that the distro is not DE-neutral, and once again, I
don't expect it to be in the current state of the art.

poc

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Re: [FYI] Laptop/netbook keyboard on/off toggle of WiFi transmitter stopped working with Fedora's 2.6.30 kernel

2009-10-10 Thread Andras Simon
On 10/9/09, Mike Fleetwood mike.fleetw...@googlemail.com wrote:

[...]

 On my Asus EeePC 1000HE netbook with Fedora 11 the keyboard toggle of
 the WiFi transmitter, Fn+F2, use to work perfectly.  However since
 upgrading from kernel 2.6.29 to 2.6.30 this stopped working.

[...]

 If I should be logging a bug please let me know.

It'd be useful, I think.

Andras

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Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?

2009-10-10 Thread David
On 10/10/2009 6:56 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 17:18 -0400, David wrote:
 As for Fedora being a GNOME *based* disto? Many, most?, of the Fedora
 configuration *applications* are written in the same GTK that GNOME is
 written in but Fedora runs just fine with only a KDE, or other,
 Desktop installed and without a GNOME Desktop installed at all. You
 will, of course, still see some libs and such as they are needed by
 the system applications. But no GNOME Desktop will be installed, or be
 available to run, *if* you tell the installer not to install a GNOME
 Desktop.
 
 I don't think that contradicts anything I've said. The fact that system
 applications need parts of a specific DE (even if no actual desktop is
 installed) means that the distro is not DE-neutral, and once again, I
 don't expect it to be in the current state of the art.


One more time. The GTK2 that is used to write the system applications is
GTK2. A programing language platform. No more and no less.

KDE is written in QT4. None of the system applications that I can think
of now are written in QT4. None that I know of anyway. Not in Fedora.
Not in any other distribution that I can think of at the moment. Not one.

At this very moment I can think of three other major distrobutions that
install KDE only. Period. They *do not* install a GNOME Desktop at all
unless you tell the installer to do that. None of them. Not a one. Will
you see GTK2 'stuff' on then? Darn straight you will. All of them.

Which means you need to convince the KDE folks to reinvent the wheel and
write system configuration applications in QT4. And then you need to
convince some, any, distribution to change their entire system
configuration and to use the new files and to not use what they have
used for years. All so that you can have a GTK free install without any
of 'that nasty GNOME crap' installed.

Good luck with that.  :-)

And it is not just the system files either. Some tiny application that
you use will need the libs and *pow* there goes your pristine, KDE only,
system.

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Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?

2009-10-10 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
pocallag...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't think that contradicts anything I've said. The fact that system
 applications need parts of a specific DE (even if no actual desktop is
 installed) means that the distro is not DE-neutral, and once again, I
 don't expect it to be in the current state of the art.

By your definitions, it's impossible, current state of the art or no.
It seems that as far as you're concerned, if the application is using
GTK, it's a Gnome app, and if it's using QT, it's a KDE app.

So for a distribution to be DE-neutral, they'd have to write all their
GUI tools using... what?  wxWidgets?  FLTK?  Motif?

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Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?

2009-10-10 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 19:21 -0400, David wrote:
 On 10/10/2009 6:56 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
  On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 17:18 -0400, David wrote:
  As for Fedora being a GNOME *based* disto? Many, most?, of the Fedora
  configuration *applications* are written in the same GTK that GNOME is
  written in but Fedora runs just fine with only a KDE, or other,
  Desktop installed and without a GNOME Desktop installed at all. You
  will, of course, still see some libs and such as they are needed by
  the system applications. But no GNOME Desktop will be installed, or be
  available to run, *if* you tell the installer not to install a GNOME
  Desktop.
  
  I don't think that contradicts anything I've said. The fact that system
  applications need parts of a specific DE (even if no actual desktop is
  installed) means that the distro is not DE-neutral, and once again, I
  don't expect it to be in the current state of the art.
 
 
 One more time. The GTK2 that is used to write the system applications is
 GTK2. A programing language platform. No more and no less.

The very first sentence on http://www.gtk.org/ is: GTK+ is a highly
usable, feature rich toolkit for creating graphical user interfaces
which boasts cross platform compatibility and an easy to use API.

OK, so my question is *not*, as you seem to think, why do I have to use
this when I prefer KDE?, but why do system applications need this if
they don't have a graphical user interface?.

[...]

  All so that you can have a GTK free install without any
 of 'that nasty GNOME crap' installed.

You seem to have gotten it into your head that I have some problem with
Gnome. If you look back at this thread I think you'll realize that this
is entirely imaginary.

Cheers.

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Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?

2009-10-10 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 16:27 -0700, Marc Wilson wrote:
 On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
 pocallag...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I don't think that contradicts anything I've said. The fact that system
  applications need parts of a specific DE (even if no actual desktop is
  installed) means that the distro is not DE-neutral, and once again, I
  don't expect it to be in the current state of the art.
 
 By your definitions, it's impossible, current state of the art or no.
 It seems that as far as you're concerned, if the application is using
 GTK, it's a Gnome app, and if it's using QT, it's a KDE app.
 
 So for a distribution to be DE-neutral, they'd have to write all their
 GUI tools using... what?  wxWidgets?  FLTK?  Motif?

I think we're drifting away from the point here, or maybe I'm not being
clear about what I mean.

As an old-timer in the Unix game, I consider a GUI as an add-on. A
system can work perfectly well without one (unless you want to do
something specifically graphical). It may not be what most users want,
but in some cases it's useful and even necessary to be able to run with
no GUI at all. Being able to do this also indicates a clear separation
of function between system stuff and GUI stuff, which in my view
ought to be maintained.

I just dislike the idea that a functional system, even in these
conditions, has to have certain DE-derived libraries or apps to work
properly. Given that these libraries and apps are specific to one DE,
that means the distro is not DE-neutral.

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setting Num lock on by default

2009-10-10 Thread suvayu ali
Hi everyone,

How do I set the Num Lock to be on by default? Every time I log in, I
have to turn it on even though I save the session before logging out.
I did some searching, and found that a commonly prescribed solution is
to install a package called numlockx. But it seemed to me that only
works in runlevel 5. Shouldn't something as basic as this be available
through some configuration somewhere? Any pointers?

Thanks in advance.

PS: I am using Windowmaker, so a command line solution would be more helpful.
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Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?

2009-10-10 Thread David
On 10/10/2009 8:03 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 19:21 -0400, David wrote:
 On 10/10/2009 6:56 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 17:18 -0400, David wrote:
 As for Fedora being a GNOME *based* disto? Many, most?, of the Fedora
 configuration *applications* are written in the same GTK that GNOME is
 written in but Fedora runs just fine with only a KDE, or other,
 Desktop installed and without a GNOME Desktop installed at all. You
 will, of course, still see some libs and such as they are needed by
 the system applications. But no GNOME Desktop will be installed, or be
 available to run, *if* you tell the installer not to install a GNOME
 Desktop.

 I don't think that contradicts anything I've said. The fact that system
 applications need parts of a specific DE (even if no actual desktop is
 installed) means that the distro is not DE-neutral, and once again, I
 don't expect it to be in the current state of the art.


 One more time. The GTK2 that is used to write the system applications is
 GTK2. A programing language platform. No more and no less.
 
 The very first sentence on http://www.gtk.org/ is: GTK+ is a highly
 usable, feature rich toolkit for creating graphical user interfaces
 which boasts cross platform compatibility and an easy to use API.
 
 OK, so my question is *not*, as you seem to think, why do I have to use
 this when I prefer KDE?, but why do system applications need this if
 they don't have a graphical user interface?.
 
 [...]
 
  All so that you can have a GTK free install without any
 of 'that nasty GNOME crap' installed.
 
 You seem to have gotten it into your head that I have some problem with
 Gnome. If you look back at this thread I think you'll realize that this
 is entirely imaginary.


Marc Wilson said it much better than I have.

The applications have to be written in 'something'. These happen to be
written in GTK. And my point was that that does not make Fedora a GNOME
distribution. It appears to me that Fedora *chooses* to be a GNOME
Desktop default distro.

As for your personal feeling about GNOME? Your business. Your choice.


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Re: setting Num lock on by default

2009-10-10 Thread Kam Leo
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM, suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 How do I set the Num Lock to be on by default? Every time I log in, I
 have to turn it on even though I save the session before logging out.
 I did some searching, and found that a commonly prescribed solution is
 to install a package called numlockx. But it seemed to me that only
 works in runlevel 5. Shouldn't something as basic as this be available
 through some configuration somewhere? Any pointers?

 Thanks in advance.

 PS: I am using Windowmaker, so a command line solution would be more helpful.

yum install numlockx

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Re: Can ISPs be trusted?

2009-10-10 Thread gilpel
 On 10/09/2009 02:55 PM, gil...@altern.org wrote:
 Paul wrote:

 If you have adequate security, your ISP should have no better access to
 your system/data than any other nefarious twerp on de intertubes.
 Actually
 even if you don't have security, your ISP has no better (or worse)
 access
 than the twerp.

 Then, I'm afraid Fedora's security is not as tight as it's supposed to
 be.
 See my answer to Phil Meyer.

 I would say that Paul's response is not correct.

 Since the ISP is directly in the route of your data they can intercept
 it and manipulate it.

Of course, but I don't believe that's what Paul meant. He meant have
access to your system/data on your computer.

I would be delighted having to care only about data that goes through my
ISPs servers.

See:

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-October/msg00691.html

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privoxy conundrum

2009-10-10 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
I use privoxy to filter unwanted junk from websites. I 
am using pretty well the standard user.action file, 
although I did add a few .ad.* type sites to block.

Everything works splendidly, except for one problem:

Any site that uses ssl.google-analytics.com refuses to 
load.

They work fine if I disable privoxy.

I have even tried putting ssl.google-analytics.com in 
the { -filter } section, but that doesn't work, either.

Any ideas? 

PS: I use firefox.


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Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?

2009-10-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 10/11/2009 05:33 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

 I just dislike the idea that a functional system, even in these
 conditions, has to have certain DE-derived libraries or apps to work
 properly. Given that these libraries and apps are specific to one DE,
 that means the distro is not DE-neutral.

system apps don't use GTK depending on your definition of a system
application. Many desktop apps use GTK (and several others uses QT or
some other toolkit) and that doesn't make them desktop environment at
all.  GTK apps are written for GNOME, Xfce, LXDE etc which is a very
clear demonstration of the fact that GTK apps are not desktop
environment specific.

Rahul

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Re: privoxy conundrum

2009-10-10 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Petrus de Calguarium wrote:

 I am using pretty well the standard user.action file

Correction: I have restored the standard user.action file 
and the problem persists: no site using google-
analytics.com will load.

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Re: setting Num lock on by default

2009-10-10 Thread NiftyFedora Mitch
It may also be a BIOS setting.
Scan your BIOS settings.

On 10/10/09, Kam Leo kam@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM, suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 How do I set the Num Lock to be on by default? Every time I log in, I
 have to turn it on even though I save the session before logging out.
 I did some searching, and found that a commonly prescribed solution is
 to install a package called numlockx. But it seemed to me that only
 works in runlevel 5. Shouldn't something as basic as this be available
 through some configuration somewhere? Any pointers?

 Thanks in advance.

 PS: I am using Windowmaker, so a command line solution would be more
 helpful.

 yum install numlockx

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Re: setting Num lock on by default

2009-10-10 Thread Hiisi
2009/10/11 suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com:
 Hi everyone,

 How do I set the Num Lock to be on by default? Every time I log in, I
 have to turn it on even though I save the session before logging out.
 I did some searching, and found that a commonly prescribed solution is
 to install a package called numlockx. But it seemed to me that only
 works in runlevel 5. Shouldn't something as basic as this be available
 through some configuration somewhere? Any pointers?

 Thanks in advance.

 PS: I am using Windowmaker, so a command line solution would be more helpful.
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I had the same question. Just hesitated to ask. When booting into
runlevel:3 I want NumLock to be switched on. Will check that numlockx.
Thank you, Community!

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Re: setting Num lock on by default

2009-10-10 Thread Kam Leo
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Hiisi very-c...@rambler.ru wrote:
 2009/10/11 suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com:
 Hi everyone,

 How do I set the Num Lock to be on by default? Every time I log in, I
 have to turn it on even though I save the session before logging out.
 I did some searching, and found that a commonly prescribed solution is
 to install a package called numlockx. But it seemed to me that only
 works in runlevel 5. Shouldn't something as basic as this be available
 through some configuration somewhere? Any pointers?

 Thanks in advance.

 PS: I am using Windowmaker, so a command line solution would be more helpful.
 --
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 I had the same question. Just hesitated to ask. When booting into
 runlevel:3 I want NumLock to be switched on. Will check that numlockx.
 Thank you, Community!

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NumLockX may not help you in runlevel 3.  You might have to run the
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Re: privoxy conundrum

2009-10-10 Thread Frank Cox
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:58:29 -0600
Petrus de Calguarium wrote:

 Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
 
  I am using pretty well the standard user.action file
 
 Correction: I have restored the standard user.action file 
 and the problem persists: no site using google-
 analytics.com will load.

I haven't seen that problem and I use privoxy extensively as described here:

http://www.melvilletheatre.com/articles/squid-privoxy/index.html

Can you give me an example of a website that's causing you problems?

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Re: Can ISPs be trusted?

2009-10-10 Thread Nifty Fedora Mitch
On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 11:48:44PM +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote:
  On 10/08/2009 01:27 PM, gil...@altern.org wrote:
  Most people trust their ISP, and rightly so, I suppose. But what if an
  ISP was a vilain? :) What kind of access would it have to its users'
  computers? Isn't it the same as a client connected to a server? The
  server being root, it has full access to the client.
 
.
 
 My problem is the following. I was playing with Thunderbird trying to
 filter messages so I could see only answers to my own posts. I saw that I
 had *one* with a reply header that I was sure I had never configured. I
 checked the headers and saw that accented letters for the title were
 written with the Windows 1252 charset. I only use 8859-1 in Thunderbird...
 I checked the message in my Sent box and it was exactly the same as the
 post on my nntp provider's server.
...
 
 Beginning DHCP transaction.
 Sep 30 13:19:25 localhost kernel: r8169: eth0: link up
 Sep 30 13:19:25 localhost kernel: r8169: eth0: link up
 Sep 30 13:19:25 localhost NetworkManager: info  dhclient started with
 pid 2097
 Sep 30 13:19:25 localhost NetworkManager: info  Activation (eth0) Stage
 3 of 5 (IP Configure Start) complete.
 Sep 30 13:19:25 localhost dhclient: Internet Systems Consortium DHCP
 Client 4.1.0p1
 Sep 30 13:19:25 localhost dhclient: Copyright 2004-2009 Internet Systems
 Consortium.
 Sep 30 13:19:25 localhost dhclient: All rights reserved.
 Sep 30 13:19:25 localhost dhclient: For info, please visit
 http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/
 Sep 30 13:19:25 localhost dhclient:
 Sep 30 13:19:25 localhost NetworkManager: info  DHCP: device eth0 state
 changed (null) - preinit
 Sep 30 13:19:25 localhost dhclient: Listening on LPF/eth0/00:24:1d:2e:11:88
 Sep 30 13:19:25 localhost dhclient: Sending on   LPF/eth0/00:24:1d:2e:11:88
 Sep 30 13:19:25 localhost dhclient: Sending on   Socket/fallback

Most ISPs can be trusted! 

As I look at this thread history and your log I suspect but cannot fully verify 
that
all you are seeing is a side effect of DHCP or Thunderbird.

Some users may may be seeing two layers of DHCP.. further complicating things.
DHCP can set a long list of things from timezone to hostname lots more ending 
with an IP address.

You can look at your distro documentation or the URL in your log file
http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/; to see what hooks DHCP has to setup
a system.  DHCP is run early and is designed to change some things as root.
You can configure the client to ignore, override etc most of them.

Another external input is the mail message that Thunderbird is replying to.
In general a graphical email tool will transparently pick up the character set
of the message you reply to.  Some HTML/XML/RichText messages can have multiple 
character sets in a message that includes previous messages in this and that
language/ character set.   The most common reply hook is to reply in kind.  
If you
send me html mail I would assume that you are OK with HTML and if you reply to 
a 'text' email then a reply in the same 'text' mode is apropos.

Also mail transport agents are getting character set aware.   In a global world
host names and  user names used for email delivery  are no longer restricted to
the classic 7bit ASCII character set.   Depending on the email message
structure you may see interesting things in Mail headers or MIME attachment 
headers.

I said Most ISPs can be trusted! while true is still subject to the 
normal problems of individuals exceeding their limits and bounds.
Further ISPs AND their employees can be subject to pressures from 
all ends, legal and not legal.   Because of this it makes sense
to exercise caution.



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Re: [Fedora-livecd-list] How to Pass Parameters to isolinux.cfg for console redirect

2009-10-10 Thread Jeremy Katz
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Jon Jaroker fedoraliv...@jaroker.com wrote:
 I would like to add “console=ttyS0” to the append line in the isolinux.cfg
 file in order to capture boot messages when testing liveCDs.

 I notice that the live.py script includes an $(extra) parameter.  Is it
 possible to add “console=ttyS0” to this $(extra) parameter?  If so, where
 should it be set?

 Is there a better way to pass such parameters directly through the kickstart
 file, such as with the “bootloader” parameter?

That's exactly how -- as the kickstart docs say
   bootloader --append=console=ttyS0
should do the trick with livecds and a real system install

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Re: [Fedora-livecd-list] How to Pass Parameters to isolinux.cfg for console redirect

2009-10-10 Thread Lars Bjørndal
Jeremy Katz ka...@fedoraproject.org writes:

 On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Jon Jaroker fedoraliv...@jaroker.com 
 wrote:
 I would like to add “console=ttyS0” to the append line in the isolinux.cfg
 file in order to capture boot messages when testing liveCDs.

 I notice that the live.py script includes an $(extra) parameter.  Is it
 possible to add “console=ttyS0” to this $(extra) parameter?  If so, where
 should it be set?

 Is there a better way to pass such parameters directly through the kickstart
 file, such as with the “bootloader” parameter?

 That's exactly how -- as the kickstart docs say
bootloader --append=console=ttyS0
 should do the trick with livecds and a real system install

But what if you need to remove a default parameter, e.g. rhgb from
the kernel parameter list on the livecd?

Lars

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Re: [Fedora-livecd-list] How to Pass Parameters to isolinux.cfg for console redirect

2009-10-10 Thread Alan Pevec
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Lars Bjørndal
lars.bjorn...@broadpark.no wrote:
 But what if you need to remove a default parameter, e.g. rhgb from
 the kernel parameter list on the livecd?

you can modify isolinux.cfg as you like in %post --nochroot
e.g. 
http://git.et.redhat.com/?p=ovirt-node-image.git;a=blob;f=ovirt-node-image.ks;h=6b9e2ace474d4c91f864038c8e07b6a43802eb13;hb=refs/heads/next#l61

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Re: [Fedora-livecd-list] livecd-iso-to-pxe problem

2009-10-10 Thread Alan Pevec
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Jeroen van Meeuwen kana...@kanarip.com wrote:
 Can you, and will you, send this upstream (to me for example?).


Hi Jeroen,

as noted in that workaround, this is a side-effect of a change in
mkliveinitrd which affects only PXE boot of the livecd image,
so fix could be to revert that in mkinitrd but this is unlikely since
focus is now on Dracut.
But even udev settle with 30s timeout and waiting up to 60 seconds
is not working with active/passive arrays where udev timeouts a lot
when reading passive paths, so it doesn't execute all rules on time,
for example liveUSB boot fails where root=UUID=... is used.
I'll post a better patch for mkliveinitrd and then see if F11 mkinitrd
will get updated at this point.

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rpms/perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session-State-URI/devel .cvsignore, 1.4, 1.5 perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session-State-URI.spec, 1.6, 1.7 sources, 1.4, 1.5

2009-10-10 Thread Iain Arnell
Author: iarnell

Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session-State-URI/devel
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv21298

Modified Files:
.cvsignore perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session-State-URI.spec sources 
Log Message:
* Sat Oct 10 2009 Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com 0.12-1
- update to latest upstream version



Index: .cvsignore
===
RCS file: 
/cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session-State-URI/devel/.cvsignore,v
retrieving revision 1.4
retrieving revision 1.5
diff -u -p -r1.4 -r1.5
--- .cvsignore  31 Jul 2009 08:03:29 -  1.4
+++ .cvsignore  10 Oct 2009 07:13:56 -  1.5
@@ -1 +1 @@
-Catalyst-Plugin-Session-State-URI-0.11.tar.gz
+Catalyst-Plugin-Session-State-URI-0.12.tar.gz


Index: perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session-State-URI.spec
===
RCS file: 
/cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session-State-URI/devel/perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session-State-URI.spec,v
retrieving revision 1.6
retrieving revision 1.7
diff -u -p -r1.6 -r1.7
--- perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session-State-URI.spec 31 Jul 2009 08:22:22 -  
1.6
+++ perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session-State-URI.spec 10 Oct 2009 07:13:56 -  
1.7
@@ -1,11 +1,11 @@
 Name:   perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session-State-URI
-Version:0.11
+Version:0.12
 Release:1%{?dist}
 Summary:Saves session IDs by rewriting URIs delivered to the client
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
 URL:http://search.cpan.org/dist/Catalyst-Plugin-Session-State-URI/
-Source0:
http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/D/DR/DROLSKY/Catalyst-Plugin-Session-State-URI-%{version}.tar.gz
+Source0:
http://cpan.org/modules/by-module/Catalyst/Catalyst-Plugin-Session-State-URI-%{version}.tar.gz
 BuildRoot:  %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n)
 BuildArch:  noarch
 BuildRequires:  perl(Catalyst::Plugin::Session) = 0.06
@@ -55,6 +55,9 @@ rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Sat Oct 10 2009 Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com 0.12-1
+- update to latest upstream version
+
 * Fri Jul 31 2009 Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com 0.11-1
 - update to latest upstream version
 


Index: sources
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session-State-URI/devel/sources,v
retrieving revision 1.4
retrieving revision 1.5
diff -u -p -r1.4 -r1.5
--- sources 31 Jul 2009 08:03:29 -  1.4
+++ sources 10 Oct 2009 07:13:56 -  1.5
@@ -1 +1 @@
-a54dee658c4556a72dcf4eea0e814ca1  Catalyst-Plugin-Session-State-URI-0.11.tar.gz
+3bd6c1eadc8aaf80d7684dd1ccfdd42c  Catalyst-Plugin-Session-State-URI-0.12.tar.gz

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rpms/perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session/devel .cvsignore, 1.4, 1.5 perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session.spec, 1.8, 1.9 sources, 1.5, 1.6

2009-10-10 Thread Iain Arnell
Author: iarnell

Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session/devel
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv22961

Modified Files:
.cvsignore perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session.spec sources 
Log Message:
* Sat Oct 10 2009 Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com 0.27-1
- update to 0.27
- remove buildreq on perl(Text::MockObject)



Index: .cvsignore
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session/devel/.cvsignore,v
retrieving revision 1.4
retrieving revision 1.5
diff -u -p -r1.4 -r1.5
--- .cvsignore  1 Sep 2009 07:38:56 -   1.4
+++ .cvsignore  10 Oct 2009 07:30:23 -  1.5
@@ -1 +1 @@
-Catalyst-Plugin-Session-0.25.tar.gz
+Catalyst-Plugin-Session-0.27.tar.gz


Index: perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session.spec
===
RCS file: 
/cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session/devel/perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session.spec,v
retrieving revision 1.8
retrieving revision 1.9
diff -u -p -r1.8 -r1.9
--- perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session.spec   1 Sep 2009 07:38:56 -   1.8
+++ perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session.spec   10 Oct 2009 07:30:23 -  1.9
@@ -1,11 +1,11 @@
 Name:   perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session
-Version:0.25
+Version:0.27
 Release:1%{?dist}
 Summary:Catalyst generic session plugin
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
 URL:http://search.cpan.org/dist/Catalyst-Plugin-Session/
-Source0:
http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/B/BO/BOBTFISH/Catalyst-Plugin-Session-%{version}.tar.gz
+Source0:
http://cpan.org/modules/by-module/Catalyst/Catalyst-Plugin-Session-%{version}.tar.gz
 BuildRoot:  %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n)
 BuildArch:  noarch
 Requires:   perl(MooseX::Emulate::Class::Accessor::Fast) = 0.00801
@@ -26,7 +26,6 @@ BuildRequires:  perl(MooseX::Emulate::Cl
 # test
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Deep)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Exception)
-BuildRequires:  perl(Test::MockObject) = 1.01
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::More)
 # optional tests
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Pod)
@@ -95,6 +94,10 @@ rm -rf %{buildroot}
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Sat Oct 10 2009 Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com 0.27-1
+- update to 0.27
+- remove buildreq on perl(Text::MockObject)
+
 * Sat Aug 08 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 0.25-1
 - switch to new filtering system (perl_default_filter)
 - auto-update to 0.25 (by cpan-spec-update 0.01)


Index: sources
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session/devel/sources,v
retrieving revision 1.5
retrieving revision 1.6
diff -u -p -r1.5 -r1.6
--- sources 1 Sep 2009 07:38:56 -   1.5
+++ sources 10 Oct 2009 07:30:23 -  1.6
@@ -1 +1 @@
-97c261322b3de46174a38d7a513022d0  Catalyst-Plugin-Session-0.25.tar.gz
+c9a349b7ff0674efba58a7f3fa1f5b05  Catalyst-Plugin-Session-0.27.tar.gz

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rpms/perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session-Store-File/devel .cvsignore, 1.5, 1.6 perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session-Store-File.spec, 1.6, 1.7 sources, 1.5, 1.6

2009-10-10 Thread Iain Arnell
Author: iarnell

Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session-Store-File/devel
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv27084

Modified Files:
.cvsignore perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session-Store-File.spec 
sources 
Log Message:
* Sat Oct 10 2009 Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com 0.18-1
- update to latest upstream version



Index: .cvsignore
===
RCS file: 
/cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session-Store-File/devel/.cvsignore,v
retrieving revision 1.5
retrieving revision 1.6
diff -u -p -r1.5 -r1.6
--- .cvsignore  21 Jun 2009 07:34:07 -  1.5
+++ .cvsignore  10 Oct 2009 08:02:09 -  1.6
@@ -1 +1 @@
-Catalyst-Plugin-Session-Store-File-0.17.tar.gz
+Catalyst-Plugin-Session-Store-File-0.18.tar.gz


Index: perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session-Store-File.spec
===
RCS file: 
/cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session-Store-File/devel/perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session-Store-File.spec,v
retrieving revision 1.6
retrieving revision 1.7
diff -u -p -r1.6 -r1.7
--- perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session-Store-File.spec26 Jul 2009 04:15:47 
-  1.6
+++ perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session-Store-File.spec10 Oct 2009 08:02:09 
-  1.7
@@ -1,16 +1,16 @@
 Name:   perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session-Store-File
-Version:0.17
-Release:2%{?dist}
+Version:0.18
+Release:1%{?dist}
 Summary:File storage backend for session data
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
 URL:http://search.cpan.org/dist/Catalyst-Plugin-Session-Store-File/
-Source0:
http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/M/MR/MRAMBERG/Catalyst-Plugin-Session-Store-File-%{version}.tar.gz
+Source0:
http://cpan.org/modules/by-module/Catalyst/Catalyst-Plugin-Session-Store-File-%{version}.tar.gz
 BuildRoot:  %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n)
 BuildArch:  noarch
 BuildRequires:  perl = 1:5.8.0
 BuildRequires:  perl(Cache::Cache) = 1.02
-BuildRequires:  perl(Catalyst::Plugin::Session) = 0.21
+BuildRequires:  perl(Catalyst::Plugin::Session) = 0.27
 BuildRequires:  perl(Catalyst::Runtime) = 5.7000
 BuildRequires:  perl(Class::Data::Inheritable) = 0.04
 BuildRequires:  perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker)
@@ -59,6 +59,9 @@ rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Sat Oct 10 2009 Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com 0.18-1
+- update to latest upstream version
+
 * Sat Jul 25 2009 Fedora Release Engineering rel-...@lists.fedoraproject.org 
- 0.17-2
 - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Mass_Rebuild
 


Index: sources
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Session-Store-File/devel/sources,v
retrieving revision 1.5
retrieving revision 1.6
diff -u -p -r1.5 -r1.6
--- sources 21 Jun 2009 07:34:07 -  1.5
+++ sources 10 Oct 2009 08:02:09 -  1.6
@@ -1 +1 @@
-0de087d51cbe1a78aed18c44f0adfd96  
Catalyst-Plugin-Session-Store-File-0.17.tar.gz
+ab6912c5d8a4eeedc7d603e5bb0a47cf  
Catalyst-Plugin-Session-Store-File-0.18.tar.gz

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 The domain  http://soap.pbsolutions.eu  which links to your website
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 You should act to closed down that domain, remove the link from it's
 under construction page, inform EBAY of the PHYSHING SCAMM operated
 by that domain, before legal action may be initiated.

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