Re: thunderbird upgrade - wtf?
On 10/10/2009 11:07 PM, Jeff Garzik wrote: Just upgraded my F11 workstation, which included an upgrade to thunderbird-3.0-2.7.b4.fc11.x86_64 Without any prompting or warning, my email layout -- a key interface into my open source development workflow -- was changed to use something called smart folders. Wrong list and a week late[1]. No need to continue the old discussion here. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-October/msg00110.html -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: libprojectM Packaging Problem
Jameson wrote, at 10/11/2009 06:37 AM +9:00: I'm having trouble getting the new version of libprojectM packaged, and hope someone can shed some light on this for me. Would you upload the srpm you are trying somewhere? When I enter the commands to build it manually, it builds fine, but when trying to package it, it comes out with commands like: snip Which fail due to ;-fPIC. Any ideas on why this is happening? It looks to me that it's a simple matter of getting rid of the ; in the command, but I have no idea why it's there using rpmbuild, but not when I build manually. Thanks, =-Jameson Regards, Mamoru -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: thunderbird upgrade - wtf?
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 01:03:01AM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Wrong list and a week late[1]. No need to continue the old discussion here. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-October/msg00110.html I don't think so. Not willing to put words in Jeff's mouth, but I don't think he was discussing the UI changes of Thunderbird. I took it as he was rather discussing the upgrade process within Fedora. FWIW, I felt the disruption in my workflow as well. All of a sudden, TB almost freezed my computer, eating ~ 1GB of memory (OK, I have a lot of emails but still) and all that, in F-11 which is a stable version of the distro. I think this is the right forum to discuss how we can avoid or a least manage users workflow disruption within stable versions of our distro. -- Dodji Seketeli Red Hat, Inc. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: thunderbird upgrade - wtf?
On 10/11/2009 02:11 PM, Dodji Seketeli wrote: On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 01:03:01AM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Wrong list and a week late[1]. No need to continue the old discussion here. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-October/msg00110.html I don't think so. Not willing to put words in Jeff's mouth, but I don't think he was discussing the UI changes of Thunderbird. I took it as he was rather discussing the upgrade process within Fedora. It is a bit of both really. A single update causes the folders to move around because smart folders was suddenly enabled and that UI change is very disruptive. It took some time to figure out what the heck was happening. The second problem was that thunderbird started indexing all my mails all of a sudden and again, that is a dirsuption because it essentially makes the mail client unusable for quite sometime. It was ok to ship a beta release of thunderbird but updates shouldn't cause such issues. If the fixes were necessary to push as updates then it would have prudent to disable smart folders and indexing by default and leave it enabled in Fedora 12. Rahul -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: thunderbird upgrade - wtf?
On 10/11/2009 04:54 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: It was ok to ship a beta release of thunderbird but updates shouldn't cause such issues. If the fixes were necessary to push as updates then it would have prudent to disable smart folders and indexing by default and leave it enabled in Fedora 12. Precisely. F11 is supposed to be a stable release. The sudden appearance of both smart folders and indexing was unexpected, disruptive and IMO did not achieve the desired quality level for a Fedora stable release upgrade. Jeff -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Development packages for Thunderbird/Sunbird
The best would be to file a bug against both thunderbird and sunbird and kindly state what you would need for building blueZync. Thanks for the hint. Bugs filed: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528320 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528321 If you as the developer did that, that would be great. As soon as the development files are available I'd be glad working with you on getting blueZync into Fedora. I did start a packaging effort some time ago and caused a little disaster by updating libsyncml to a newer version to build blueZync. Our problem was that nothing else could be built against the new version of libsyncml. blueZync requires the newest versions of opensync, libsyncml, and libwbxml. Those are not production ready yet. So I think it is too early to include those (and hence blueZync) as official packages now. However with the *bird-devel packages, it would be simple to compile from source (as we do on Ubuntu and others). -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: thunderbird upgrade - wtf?
On 10/11/2009 11:16 AM, Jeff Garzik wrote: On 10/11/2009 04:54 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: It was ok to ship a beta release of thunderbird but updates shouldn't cause such issues. If the fixes were necessary to push as updates then it would have prudent to disable smart folders and indexing by default and leave it enabled in Fedora 12. Precisely. F11 is supposed to be a stable release. The sudden appearance of both smart folders and indexing was unexpected, disruptive and IMO did not achieve the desired quality level for a Fedora stable release upgrade. Jeff There is a difference between stable and static, if we have a beta of thunderbird in F11, then it expected to change between beta releases. The new search features are very cool, we should be happy someone uses the time to give us all this cool new features. Tim -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: thunderbird upgrade - wtf?
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 11:29:19AM +0200, Tim Lauridsen wrote: There is a difference between stable and static, if we have a beta of thunderbird in F11, then it expected to change between beta releases. Sure. But at the same time the word stable in the expression stable version ought to mean something, I guess. My point is this is a matter of personal judgement. If the change is going to be too disruptive (and that's a maintainer call) then maybe having a Fedora-blessed repository like this great one http://rpms.famillecollet.com/fedora/11/remi/x86_64/repoview could be a possible way to go. At the same time, the package could be updated straight to Rawhide, of course. The new search features are very cool, we should be happy someone uses the time to give us all this cool new features. I was not discussing that. Those changes are cool. I agree. But we also have to take in account the drawbacks that come with that coolness and strike a balance so that stable distro users aren't too disrupted in their workflows. -- Dodji Seketeli Red Hat -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: thunderbird upgrade - wtf?
On 10/11/2009 11:29 AM, Tim Lauridsen wrote: On 10/11/2009 11:16 AM, Jeff Garzik wrote: On 10/11/2009 04:54 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: It was ok to ship a beta release of thunderbird but updates shouldn't cause such issues. If the fixes were necessary to push as updates then it would have prudent to disable smart folders and indexing by default and leave it enabled in Fedora 12. Precisely. F11 is supposed to be a stable release. The sudden appearance of both smart folders and indexing was unexpected, disruptive and IMO did not achieve the desired quality level for a Fedora stable release upgrade. ACK, but ... There is a difference between stable and static, if we have a beta of thunderbird in F11, then it expected to change between beta releases. ... to me, in this context stable should also imply sufficently functional rsp. near release quality. From my experiences with the thunderbird-3*betas in F11, this does not apply to any of the thunderbird we had in F11 [1]. The new search features are very cool, we should be happy someone uses the time to give us all this cool new features. Well, coolness is relative - It's a feature, I have never missed or been waiting for :-) Ralf [1] I have been (and still am) facing: Corrupted (imap) mail-indices, mal-formated subject lines, being unable to send non-base64 encoded attachments, sth. occasionally producing duplicate mails and several other nuisances (e.g. one core dump at average per day). New with 3*b4: A significant slowdown, seemingly due to indexing at startup, compacting folders triggers warnings in deep imap-folders (used to work with older thunderbirds and still works with evolution). -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Development packages for Thunderbird/Sunbird
Matej Cepl wrote: When you install xulrunner*devel what files you are missing? I miss all the interfaces specific to Thunderbird and Sunbird: Address book, Calendar, etc. Just one example: the whole /usr/include/thunderbird/addrbook directory with files like nsIAbDirectory.h and nsIAbCard.h /Henrik -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
rawhide report: 20091011 changes
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Re: libprojectM Packaging Problem
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 2:27 AM, Mamoru Tasaka mtas...@ioa.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp wrote: Jameson wrote, at 10/11/2009 06:37 AM +9:00: I'm having trouble getting the new version of libprojectM packaged, and hope someone can shed some light on this for me. Would you upload the srpm you are trying somewhere? My current attempt at their SVN code can be found at: http://www.vtscrew.com/libprojectM-1.2.0r1295-9.fc11.src.rpm Thanks, =-Jameson -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: libprojectM Packaging Problem
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:33:12 -0400, Jameson wrote:
My current attempt at their SVN code can be found at:
http://www.vtscrew.com/libprojectM-1.2.0r1295-9.fc11.src.rpm
Patch attached. Do the same for any other directories where it may be
necessary.
diff -Nur libprojectM-1.2.0r1295-orig/Renderer/CMakeLists.txt libprojectM-1.2.0r1295/Renderer/CMakeLists.txt
--- libprojectM-1.2.0r1295-orig/Renderer/CMakeLists.txt 2009-10-10 22:48:12.0 +0200
+++ libprojectM-1.2.0r1295/Renderer/CMakeLists.txt 2009-10-11 15:59:48.447688896 +0200
@@ -7,8 +7,8 @@
Filters.cpp PerlinNoise.cpp PipelineContext.cpp Renderable.cpp BeatDetect.cpp Shader.cpp TextureManager.cpp VideoEcho.cpp
RenderItemDistanceMetric.cpp RenderItemMatcher.cpp ${SOIL_SOURCES})
-SET (CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS ${CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS} -fPIC)
-SET (CMAKE_C_FLAGS ${CMAKE_C_FLAGS} -fPIC)
+SET (CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS ${CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS} -fPIC)
+SET (CMAKE_C_FLAGS ${CMAKE_C_FLAGS} -fPIC)
INCLUDE_DIRECTORIES(${projectM_SOURCE_DIR})
ADD_LIBRARY(Renderer STATIC ${Renderer_SOURCES})
--
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Re: libprojectM Packaging Problem
I see. Thanks for your quick reply. Upstream has been working with me recently to get this building natively without some patches that were needed in the past, so I'll pass this along. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: thunderbird upgrade - wtf?
There are several issues being discussed here. Thunderbird itself and what upstream are doing: (i) In my view smart folders are silly most of the time. Comixing different accounts is a really bad idea. (ii) GLODA = the global indexing nonsense is beyond silly This is not just indexing each account - its accross ALL accounts. Especially when you note that it will only index things that TB has a local copy of in mbox format - and TB switched to make local copies of everything by default. This is a solution looking for a problem - its also a problematic solution for most, with runaway indexing, 90% CPU, eating GiB of space etc. A good example of a runaway idea. I run a local imap server precisely to be independent of mail client. Having duplicate copies of everything in mbox format (ug) and GiB of index .. ug. Upgrade Process: --- I believe we should be picking up the newer versions - in fact moving to 3.0pre and 3.0 final. TB has quirks, but overall things are improving. We still have evo too .. That all said - both the above changes are simple to turn off - and as Rahul said, prolly shoulda been off by default in our version. In this case there is an easy way to make things smooth. In other cases there may not be For such cases we can: a) Not update b) Update c) Install as alternative for those who want it. (c) is a nice possible option if something is invasive yet of interest. gene/ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: thunderbird upgrade - wtf?
Le Dim 11 octobre 2009 16:48, Mail Lists a écrit : This is not just indexing each account - its accross ALL accounts. Especially when you note that it will only index things that TB has a local copy of in mbox format - and TB switched to make local copies of everything by default. It is nice to see that the “reborn” Mozilla mail client still thinks in terms of pop3+mbox. This is sooo typical of the FLOSS desktop: avoid hard issues (such as thinking in maildir+imap, actually writing a ldap backend for gconf, taking the time to think about non-laptop systems), and pile up demo-quality bling (that no one will use because it's not robust enough for real life) There are three schools of design: the latin flashy-but-will-be-broken-in-a-week, the German just-enough-minimalist-rock-solid-workhorse, and the worst insufficient-minimalist-will-be-broken-in-a-month (people that think Germans like black, and release gadgets in brittle plastic, when Germans like solid plastic, which is usually black). Unfortunately our desktop people never seem to choose option 2. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: thunderbird upgrade - wtf?
Le Dim 11 octobre 2009 18:02, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit : There are three schools of design: […]. Unfortunately our desktop people never seem to choose option 2. Sorry about the unfair generalization, there are of course exceptions http://linuxplumbersconf.org/2009/slides/Paul-Davis-lpc2009.pdf But it's sad they are so few. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: thunderbird upgrade - wtf?
On 10/11/2009 03:41 AM, Dodji Seketeli wrote: I don't think so. Not willing to put words in Jeff's mouth, but I don't think he was discussing the UI changes of Thunderbird. I took it as he was rather discussing the upgrade process within Fedora. So never ship beta software? That nixes a lot of Fedora packages. FWIW, I felt the disruption in my workflow as well. All of a sudden, TB almost freezed my computer, eating ~ 1GB of memory (OK, I have a lot of emails but still) and all that, in F-11 which is a stable version of the distro. I think this is the right forum to discuss how we can avoid or a least manage users workflow disruption within stable versions of our distro. Heavily patch all TB 3.0 to act like TB 2.0? That seems silly, don't you think? This is *not* the right forum. There is a right forum[1]. [1] http://www.mozilla.org/community/developer-forums.html#dev-apps-thunderbird -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: thunderbird upgrade - wtf?
On 10/11/2009 09:45 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: So never ship beta software? That nixes a lot of Fedora packages. Whether to include a beta or not should be decided on a case by case basis. It is a good idea to avoid those but if there are substantial benefits, it is fine. The focal point of the discussion isn't what it originally include but how the software changes in updates. Do you use thunderbird as your main mail client? If so, did you find the changes in the update not disruptive for you? Heavily patch all TB 3.0 to act like TB 2.0? That seems silly, don't you think? This is *not* the right forum. There is a right forum[1]. [1] http://www.mozilla.org/community/developer-forums.html#dev-apps-thunderbird We aren't talking about upstream development however. It is the responsibility of the thunderbird package maintainers in Fedora to avoid updates that prevents the mail client from being usable for a substantial amount of time and changes the UI in a unexplained way. The modifications required to avoid those would have been rather simple. Rahul -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: thunderbird upgrade - wtf?
Rahul Sundaram, Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:24:53 +0530: It was ok to ship a beta release of thunderbird but updates shouldn't cause such issues. If the fixes were necessary to push as updates then it would have prudent to disable smart folders and indexing by default and leave it enabled in Fedora 12. Rahul, aren't you arguing that Rawhide is broken? Matěj -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: thunderbird upgrade - wtf?
On 10/11/2009 11:19 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Whether to include a beta or not should be decided on a case by case basis. It is a good idea to avoid those but if there are substantial benefits, it is fine. The focal point of the discussion isn't what it originally include but how the software changes in updates. Do you use thunderbird as your main mail client? If so, did you find the changes in the update not disruptive for you? I do use TB (read my email headers). I fully understood that TB 3.0 was in beta and could drastically change at any moment. I keep track of their development as well so I was prepared for the changes that have happened. If you expect beta software to act like stable software then you need to update your dictionary. We aren't talking about upstream development however. It is the responsibility of the thunderbird package maintainers in Fedora to avoid updates that prevents the mail client from being usable for a substantial amount of time and changes the UI in a unexplained way. The modifications required to avoid those would have been rather simple. The TB 3.0 updates have been sitting in updates-testing for at least a week or so before they are released into updates. The karma being received has been overwhelmingly *positive* so it's one or two conservative folks that really dislike change that voice their opinions and get some attention for the sake of attention. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: thunderbird upgrade - wtf?
On 10/11/2009 10:02 PM, Matej Cepl wrote: Rahul Sundaram, Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:24:53 +0530: It was ok to ship a beta release of thunderbird but updates shouldn't cause such issues. If the fixes were necessary to push as updates then it would have prudent to disable smart folders and indexing by default and leave it enabled in Fedora 12. Rahul, aren't you arguing that Rawhide is broken? I don't see where I am arguing for that. Rahul -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: thunderbird upgrade - wtf?
Matej Cepl, Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:32:26 +: Rahul Sundaram, Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:24:53 +0530: It was ok to ship a beta release of thunderbird but updates shouldn't cause such issues. If the fixes were necessary to push as updates then it would have prudent to disable smart folders and indexing by default and leave it enabled in Fedora 12. Rahul, aren't you arguing that Rawhide is broken? Sorry, misread your message. Forget about this please. Matěj -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
python-json (was: Re: rawhide report: 20091010 changes)
Rawhide Report wrote: Removed package python-json Why was this removed? sugar-toolkit requires this package and now has broken dependencies! Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: thunderbird upgrade - wtf?
On 10/11/2009 10:03 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: I do use TB (read my email headers). I fully understood that TB 3.0 was in beta and could drastically change at any moment. I keep track of their development as well so I was prepared for the changes that have happened. If you expect beta software to act like stable software then you need to update your dictionary. Oh please. Expecting all Fedora thunderbird users to keep track of upstream development of software included in Fedora is totally ridiculous. The package maintainer made the judgement to include a beta release of thunderbird. If major UI or other behaviour changes were expected to follow in later revisions, it would have been wise to not include the beta release in the first place. Otherwise, it would have been easy enough to disable those couple of features we are talking about in the update and avoid the hassle for users. It is NOT ok if I update my mail client in any stable release of Fedora and get a different UI where my folders are rearranged and my mail client proceeds to index gigabytes of my mail sucking up the CPU and generally making it unusable for quite sometime. A new release with a new UI and behaviour is ok. An update changing it like this is definitely not. Rahul -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: python-json (was: Re: rawhide report: 20091010 changes)
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Rawhide Report wrote: Removed package python-json Why was this removed? sugar-toolkit requires this package and now has broken dependencies! Apparently the functionality has been merged into the main python package. Looking at the cvs changelog sugar-toolkit was rebuilt against the main package but it seems that the person that did so hasn't filed a ticket with rel-eng to get it tagged into the release, or if the ticket was filed it is yet to be tagged into the release. Peter -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: thunderbird upgrade - wtf?
On 10/11/2009 11:46 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Oh please. Expecting all Fedora thunderbird users to keep track of upstream development of software included in Fedora is totally ridiculous. The package maintainer made the judgement to include a beta release of thunderbird. If major UI or other behaviour changes were expected to follow in later revisions, it would have been wise to not include the beta release in the first place. Otherwise, it would have been easy enough to disable those couple of features we are talking about in the update and avoid the hassle for users. Did I say that people should do exactly as I do? No. Please don't put words in my mouth. It is NOT ok if I update my mail client in any stable release of Fedora and get a different UI where my folders are rearranged and my mail client proceeds to index gigabytes of my mail sucking up the CPU and generally making it unusable for quite sometime. A new release with a new UI and behaviour is ok. An update changing it like this is definitely not. Then were was your negative karma? I run TB on 3 different machines (different platforms/arches) and have not encountered any disastrous side effects so my positive karma does not accurately reflect all possible scenarios. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: thunderbird upgrade - wtf?
On 10/11/2009 10:24 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Did I say that people should do exactly as I do? No. Please don't put words in my mouth. It did clearly appear that you implied that. To simplify matters, the basic question really is whether it is ok for updates to cause problems for end users. I would argue that it is not Then were was your negative karma? I run TB on 3 different machines (different platforms/arches) and have not encountered any disastrous side effects so my positive karma does not accurately reflect all possible scenarios. If maintainers choose to include a beta release, then it would have been better to collect more feedback for a longer period of time for updates. My mails to this list is my negative karma. Other users have confirmed that there are problems as well. Let's address that issue now instead of pretending that there is no problem. Rahul -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: python-json (was: Re: rawhide report: 20091010 changes)
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Rawhide Report wrote: Removed package python-json Why was this removed? sugar-toolkit requires this package and now has broken dependencies! Apparently the functionality has been merged into the main python package. Looking at the cvs changelog sugar-toolkit was rebuilt against the main package but it seems that the person that did so hasn't filed a ticket with rel-eng to get it tagged into the release, or if the ticket was filed it is yet to be tagged into the release. There's also a rel-eng to get the build tagged into the release here https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/2447 Peter -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: thunderbird upgrade - wtf?
Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 10/11/2009 10:24 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Did I say that people should do exactly as I do? No. Please don't put words in my mouth. It did clearly appear that you implied that. To simplify matters, the basic question really is whether it is ok for updates to cause problems for end users. I would argue that it is not True, I read this as "users should know thunderbird is apt to change at any second so they should be keeping track of thunderbird". It is unreasonable to expect all users to be aware of Thunderbird's volatile state, especially when every past update has done little to change the overall feel of the program (minus the ugly new icons). Not everyone using a Fedora desktop is keeping track of what's going on in the development community. They just want to sit down at their computer and get their work done. These kinds of people sat at their computer one day, saw the PackageKit icon, and (maybe blindly) clicked Update. Then they were greeted by Thunderbird taking the liberty of re-arranging their entire folder hierarchy and hammering the hard drive for quite some time, making the computer totally unusable while the user is trying to figure out what the heck is going on. It's a very alarming experience when all you want is your inbox. I know it took me quite a while to figure out where my mail went, and why my inbox subfolders were nowhere near my inboxes anymore. At the very least, Smart Folders should not have been made the default view. The indexing is also much too aggressive (especially on my poor 5 year old laptop), but I'm not sure how much the Fedora packagers can tweak that feature. Then were was your negative karma? I run TB on 3 different machines (different platforms/arches) and have not encountered any "disastrous" side effects so my positive karma does not accurately reflect all possible scenarios. If maintainers choose to include a beta release, then it would have been better to collect more feedback for a longer period of time for updates. My mails to this list is my "negative karma". Other users have confirmed that there are problems as well. Let's address that issue now instead of pretending that there is no problem. Rahul Yes, the fact that an email with subject "thunderbird upgrade - wtf?" has already reached 20 or so replies in 12 hours could be construed as a sign of "negative karma." Rich -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
[Bug 514911] Review Request: sil-padauk-fonts - Padauk font for Burmese and the Myanmar script
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=514911 Minto Joseph mvali...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Flag||fedora-cvs? --- Comment #3 from Minto Joseph mvali...@redhat.com 2009-10-11 09:57:21 EDT --- New Package CVS Request === Package Name: sil-padauk-fonts Short Description: Padauk font for Burmese and the Myanmar script Owners: mintojoseph Branches: F-11, F-12 InitialCC: fonts-sig Cvsextras Commits: yes -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 528368] New: Duplicate Provides entries
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: Duplicate Provides entries https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528368 Summary: Duplicate Provides entries Product: Fedora Version: 11 Platform: All OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: medium Priority: low Component: liberation-fonts AssignedTo: ccha...@redhat.com ReportedBy: m...@mattmccutchen.net QAContact: extras...@fedoraproject.org CC: peter...@redhat.com, ccha...@redhat.com, fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com, fedora-i18n-b...@redhat.com Classification: Fedora Description of problem: Each of the packages liberation-mono-fonts, liberation-sans-fonts, liberation-serif-fonts contains a duplicate provide for its own name-version-release in addition to the one implicitly generated by rpm. Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): liberation-serif-fonts-1.04.93-10.fc11.noarch liberation-sans-fonts-1.04.93-10.fc11.noarch liberation-mono-fonts-1.04.93-10.fc11.noarch How reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. rpm -q --provides -a 'liberation-*-fonts' | grep '^liberation' Actual results: liberation-serif-fonts = 1.04.93-10.fc11 liberation-serif-fonts = 1.04.93-10.fc11 liberation-sans-fonts = 1.04.93-10.fc11 liberation-sans-fonts = 1.04.93-10.fc11 liberation-mono-fonts = 1.04.93-10.fc11 liberation-mono-fonts = 1.04.93-10.fc11 Expected results: liberation-serif-fonts = 1.04.93-10.fc11 liberation-sans-fonts = 1.04.93-10.fc11 liberation-mono-fonts = 1.04.93-10.fc11 Additional info: It looks like this has already been fixed in rawhide in liberation-fonts-1.04.93-11, according to the spec file in CVS: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/liberation-fonts/devel/liberation-fonts.spec?r1=1.36r2=1.37 So feel free to mark this CLOSED RAWHIDE if you don't wish to make the fix for Fedora 11. I thought I'd ask because the duplicate provides came up when I was doing some checks on my RPM database. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 526204] Review Request: ucs-fixed-fonts selected set of bitmap fonts
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526204 --- Comment #4 from Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net 2009-10-11 16:52:02 EDT --- 1. 55 as fontconfig priority will preempt the default distro monospace font, don't do that. ⇒ Please read /usr/share/fontconfig/templates/fontconfig-priorities.txt 2. it seems it does need xorg-x11-font-utils as build requires after all + make install DESTDIR=/builddir/build/BUILDROOT/ucs-miscfixed-fonts-0.3-3.fc13.x86_64 sed 's/\Fixed\/MiscFixed/' 4x6.bdf 4x6.bdf.tmp bdftopcf 4x6.bdf.tmp 4x6.pcf rm 4x6.bdf.tmp || ( rm 4x6.bdf.tmp 4x6.pcf false ) /bin/sh: bdftopcf: command not found ⇒ please check your package builds in mock or as a koji scratch build before submitting The rest seems ok. Though since xorg seems to maintain and keep updating its own copy of Markus Kuhn's fonts, I suspect its version will be the better one to keep long term http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2009-October/047606.html -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 225617] Merge Review: bitmap-fonts
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=225617 --- Comment #23 from Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net 2009-10-11 17:21:11 EDT --- 1. needs xorg-x11-font-utils as BR 2. You have some stray fixed font in bitmap-console-fonts 3. Some of the files in bitmap-console-fonts declare their name as console8x8.pcf which is almost certainly a bug 4. The Lucida Typewriter fonts in bitmap-fonts should be pushed in a bitmap-lucida-typewriter-fonts subpackage 5. It would be nice if each subpackage included its own fontconfig file 6. you can probably kill the common file and put each license %doc in the corresponding subpackage (just put the %doc line after the corresponding %_font_pkg call). You just need to have each subpackage require fontpackages-filesystem direcly -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Fedora-legal-list] Helping the Fan project relicense from AFL
Hi all, I'm currently discussing with the developers for Fan (http://fandev.org/), a JVM/CLR language, the possibility of them relicensing or dual-licensing from the Academic Free License. Current discussion thread here: http://fandev.org/sidewalk/topic/777 The main concern seems to be that whatever new license they pick has patent defense clauses, and the developer that responded, Brian, is under the opinion that the Apache license does not provide this (IANAL, but my reading is that it does). We are likely able to convince them to switch to either ASL 2.0 or (L)GPLv3+, so if someone from the legal team (Spot?) could address this concern, we have one more application that suddenly can interoperate with more FLOSS libraries. Thanks, -- Michel Alexandre Salim ___ Fedora-legal-list mailing list Fedora-legal-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legal-list
Re: setting Num lock on by default
2009/10/11 Kam Leo kam@gmail.com: On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Hiisi very-c...@rambler.ru wrote: 2009/10/11 suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com: Hi everyone, --SNIP-- But it seemed to me that only works in runlevel 5. --SNIP-- NumLockX may not help you in runlevel 3. You might have to run the script listed at http://www.userlocal.com/tips/activatingnumlock.php It seems to me the OP asked how to set Num on by default not in runlevel: 5 either -- Hiisi. Registered Linux User #487982. Be counted at: http://counter.li.org/ -- Spandex is a privilege, not a right. -- SIP: hi...@ekiga.net -- pub 1024D/085B139A -- Powered by Fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: setting Num lock on by default
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Hiisi very-c...@rambler.ru wrote: 2009/10/11 Kam Leo kam@gmail.com: On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Hiisi very-c...@rambler.ru wrote: 2009/10/11 suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com: Hi everyone, --SNIP-- But it seemed to me that only works in runlevel 5. --SNIP-- NumLockX may not help you in runlevel 3. You might have to run the script listed at http://www.userlocal.com/tips/activatingnumlock.php It seems to me the OP asked how to set Num on by default not in runlevel: 5 either -- Hiisi. My bad. I didn't notice the OP stating numlockx did not work for runlevels 1-4. If you are not using Gnome use the script that I referenced. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: setting Num lock on by default
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Hiisi very-c...@rambler.ru wrote: 2009/10/11 Kam Leo kam@gmail.com: On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Hiisi very-c...@rambler.ru wrote: 2009/10/11 suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com: Hi everyone, --SNIP-- But it seemed to me that only works in runlevel 5. --SNIP-- NumLockX may not help you in runlevel 3. You might have to run the script listed at http://www.userlocal.com/tips/activatingnumlock.php It seems to me the OP asked how to set Num on by default not in runlevel: 5 either Use `setled' if in runlevel 3 or `xset -led' (RTFM) under X. HTH, Didar -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: setting Num lock on by default
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Didar Hossain didar.hoss...@gmail.com wrote: Use `setled' if in runlevel 3 or `xset -led' (RTFM) under X. Typo - setleds Didar -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: setting Num lock on by default
2009/10/10 Kam Leo kam@gmail.com: On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Hiisi very-c...@rambler.ru wrote: 2009/10/11 Kam Leo kam@gmail.com: On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Hiisi very-c...@rambler.ru wrote: 2009/10/11 suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com: Hi everyone, --SNIP-- But it seemed to me that only works in runlevel 5. --SNIP-- NumLockX may not help you in runlevel 3. You might have to run the script listed at http://www.userlocal.com/tips/activatingnumlock.php It seems to me the OP asked how to set Num on by default not in runlevel: 5 either -- Hiisi. My bad. I didn't notice the OP stating numlockx did not work for runlevels 1-4. If you are not using Gnome use the script that I referenced. Thanks Kam for that script. I also found a similar script in some list archive after I posted here. --- INITTY=/dev/tty[1-8] for tty in $INITTY do setleds -D +num $tty done --- Thanks to everyone who replied. :) -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: setting Num lock on by default
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:34 PM, suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/10 Kam Leo kam@gmail.com: On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Hiisi very-c...@rambler.ru wrote: 2009/10/11 Kam Leo kam@gmail.com: On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Hiisi very-c...@rambler.ru wrote: 2009/10/11 suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com: Hi everyone, --SNIP-- But it seemed to me that only works in runlevel 5. --SNIP-- NumLockX may not help you in runlevel 3. You might have to run the script listed at http://www.userlocal.com/tips/activatingnumlock.php It seems to me the OP asked how to set Num on by default not in runlevel: 5 either -- Hiisi. My bad. I didn't notice the OP stating numlockx did not work for runlevels 1-4. If you are not using Gnome use the script that I referenced. Thanks Kam for that script. I also found a similar script in some list archive after I posted here. --- INITTY=/dev/tty[1-8] for tty in $INITTY do setleds -D +num $tty done --- Thanks to everyone who replied. :) -- Suvayu The script is in the setleds documentation, l.e. man setleds. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: privoxy conundrum
Frank Cox wrote: Can you give me an example of a website that's causing you problems? Yes, I can, two, in fact: www.google.ca (when logging out, after having used the reader, but any google service, I believe, google- analytics is called and it hangs, so the logged out successfully screen never appears) -- I don't care much about the problem with respect to this site, as reloading the site shows that it did indeed successfully log out www.pcpoints.ca (this is definitely a problem that I *do* care about) -- try to log in to check your President's Choice reward points balance and you will see that you cannot ever get into the site, because the site never gets past google-analytics, hence never loads -- I will have a look at your specially tuned user.action file. I feel the default is offering me enough protection from web junk as it is configured by default, but clearly there is a small glitch somewhere that prevents the proper function of loading a page to get to a log-in screen. I have never altered the privoxy config file, but I will look at yours to see whether there is something I might wish to change in the default set-up. Again, I would like to state that I prefer to change as little as possible, unless absolutely necessary, to support acceptable internet use vs. security from exposure to web junk. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: privoxy conundrum
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:37:56 -0600 Petrus de Calguarium wrote: Can you give me an example of a website that's causing you problems? Allow me to rephrase that: Can you give me an example of a website that's giving you problems and that won't force me to create some kind of user account that I don't need or want in order to test it? -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: privoxy conundrum
I looked at your web page suggestions. I have not looked at your 2 configuration files yet, but I noticed that you indicate telling Firefox not to use a proxy for certain problem sites. With no proxy for: - www.pcpoints.ca it still doesn't work - ssl.google-analytics.com the site now displays I am not sure what to do now. google-analytics is known to be a privacy-compromising cross-site tracking site, so it should definitely be blocked, but... blocking it causes some (at least one known, so far) essential sites not to work at all. Any way to solve the conundrum? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: privoxy conundrum
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:49:35 -0600 Petrus de Calguarium wrote: blocking it causes some (at least one known, so far) essential sites not to work at all. Any way to solve the conundrum? 1. It's included in my user.action file. and it hasn't caused any problems yet that I'm aware of. 2. If you read the article referred you to earlier you will discover a reference to customizegoogle, which has special handling for google-analytics included. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: setting Num lock on by default
2009/10/10 Kam Leo kam@gmail.com: On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:34 PM, suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/10 Kam Leo kam@gmail.com: On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Hiisi very-c...@rambler.ru wrote: 2009/10/11 Kam Leo kam@gmail.com: On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Hiisi very-c...@rambler.ru wrote: 2009/10/11 suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com: Hi everyone, --SNIP-- But it seemed to me that only works in runlevel 5. --SNIP-- NumLockX may not help you in runlevel 3. You might have to run the script listed at http://www.userlocal.com/tips/activatingnumlock.php It seems to me the OP asked how to set Num on by default not in runlevel: 5 either -- Hiisi. My bad. I didn't notice the OP stating numlockx did not work for runlevels 1-4. If you are not using Gnome use the script that I referenced. Thanks Kam for that script. I also found a similar script in some list archive after I posted here. --- INITTY=/dev/tty[1-8] for tty in $INITTY do setleds -D +num $tty done --- Thanks to everyone who replied. :) -- Suvayu The script is in the setleds documentation, l.e. man setleds. I was completely unaware of the utility setleds before I made the original post. The mention in the archive post led me to it. :) Thanks for all the help everyone, much appreciated :) -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can ISPs be trusted?
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 09:10:27 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: I took a look before writing my answer and the information I got is it's a mean for people on the net or your ISP to take a look at the data on your computer *before* it's encrypted. Not on your computer, when it reaches the router. The original idea was that people would be discouraged from encrypting data before it got to the router and that law enforcement could pick it up there. Strong encryption would be encouraged between routers to protect the traffic from other parties. While things didn't quite happen that way (we got dsc1000s, which were essentially carnivore with a more mundane name, watching traffic instead of stuff built into the routers) and especially as machines are more powerful, encryption is being done end to end for some things. However on the low end, people now typically have routers on the gateway for their home networks that are plently powerful enough to snoop on local traffic. I haven't heard of any cases of law enforcement having special firmware on residential routers to allow them to snoop traffic, but it's pretty doable. I suspect in most cases if they want to monitor local traffic they are probably going to want to install keyloggers anyway and if they think watching traffic between remote sites is good enough they can just grab stuff going through the ISP. So it's probably a small enough niche that it's not something that is valuable enough for them to try to get standard on home routers. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: privoxy conundrum
Frank Cox wrote: Petrus de Calguarium wrote: Any way to solve the conundrum? 1. It's included in my user.action file. and it hasn't caused any problems yet that I'm aware of. 2. If you read the article referred you to earlier you will discover a reference to customizegoogle, which has special handling for google-analytics included. I will have a look at your page again with particular regard to customize google, as you indicate that you have expressly dealt with google-analytics. No, of course I don't expect you to get a Real Canadian Superstore Master Card (although the points for gasoline and groceries are worth it ;-) just to test out the pcpoints.ca site LOL I am grateful that you responded at this late hour and ought to take advantage (in a friendly manner) of your online presence simultaneous to mine, but I must say that here in AB it is already past 0100 (and in SK past 0200, I believe), but I must hit the hay, as I have a big day Sunday, this being Thanksgiving (Erntedankfest) weekend. == I will tell you on this thread how I fare in the course of Sunday. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Restoring Network Manager Applet
Dear All, I have a computer where the Network Manager Applet cannot be seen. How can I restore it on the system tray? Thanks in advance, Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Restoring Network Manager Applet
On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 11:36 +0100, Paul Smith wrote: I have a computer where the Network Manager Applet cannot be seen. How can I restore it on the system tray? If you're using Gnome, you may have removed the Notification Area which is where the Network Manager applet (and others) appear. Right click on the panel, and re-add it. KDE will probably have something with a similar name, and a similar technique of restoration, and someone else can tell you about that if you need it. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Restoring Network Manager Applet
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: I have a computer where the Network Manager Applet cannot be seen. How can I restore it on the system tray? If you're using Gnome, you may have removed the Notification Area which is where the Network Manager applet (and others) appear. Right click on the panel, and re-add it. KDE will probably have something with a similar name, and a similar technique of restoration, and someone else can tell you about that if you need it. Thanks, Tim, but I am using XFCE. Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Restoring Network Manager Applet
On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 12:04 +0100, Paul Smith wrote: but I am using XFCE Stick that detail in the subject line. It's more likely to get the attention of someone with an answer, that way. I haven't tried XFCE for a couple of years. That, or try a Google search. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?
On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 21:01 -0400, David wrote: The applications have to be written in 'something'. These happen to be written in GTK. And my point was that that does not make Fedora a GNOME distribution. It appears to me that Fedora *chooses* to be a GNOME Desktop default distro. Well, the only thing the *have* to be written in is something that exposes the Linux API, (recalling that we're talking about system apps here). The API defines the lowest common denominator, anything else is an optional extra. However that's beside the point. I was trying to argue that Fedora is a Gnome distro based on such considerations, but taking into account both your own and Rahul's (and Marc's) comments I can see that this argument as such doesn't hold up. Nevertheless, it remains true that Fedora is a Gnome-based distro! Why? Because it's all over the documentation. I doubt you'll find the phrase Fedora is a Gnome-based distro anywhere in the docs, but the fact remains that at every juncture where a DE is relevant to a system administration function, it's assumed to be Gnome unless a specific exception is made for KDE. This assumption permeates the entire Fedora ecosystem. Once again, I'm not questioning that this should be so, I'm simply stating it as a fact of life. As for your personal feeling about GNOME? Your business. Your choice. I'm aware of that. I didn't bring it up. Cheers poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?
On 10/11/2009 07:48 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Nevertheless, it remains true that Fedora is a Gnome-based distro! Why? Because it's all over the documentation. I doubt you'll find the phrase Fedora is a Gnome-based distro anywhere in the docs, but the fact remains that at every juncture where a DE is relevant to a system administration function, it's assumed to be Gnome unless a specific exception is made for KDE. Any specific pointers? We can fix the documentation. You are welcome to contribute. In most cases, it is a matter of not having enough people volunteering to comprehensively document every desktop environment. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?
On 10/11/2009 10:18 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 21:01 -0400, David wrote: The applications have to be written in 'something'. These happen to be written in GTK. And my point was that that does not make Fedora a GNOME distribution. It appears to me that Fedora *chooses* to be a GNOME Desktop default distro. Well, the only thing the *have* to be written in is something that exposes the Linux API, (recalling that we're talking about system apps here). The API defines the lowest common denominator, anything else is an optional extra. However that's beside the point. I was trying to argue that Fedora is a Gnome distro based on such considerations, but taking into account both your own and Rahul's (and Marc's) comments I can see that this argument as such doesn't hold up. Nevertheless, it remains true that Fedora is a Gnome-based distro! Why? Because it's all over the documentation. I doubt you'll find the phrase Fedora is a Gnome-based distro anywhere in the docs, but the fact remains that at every juncture where a DE is relevant to a system administration function, it's assumed to be Gnome unless a specific exception is made for KDE. This assumption permeates the entire Fedora ecosystem. Once again, I'm not questioning that this should be so, I'm simply stating it as a fact of life. As for your personal feeling about GNOME? Your business. Your choice. I'm aware of that. I didn't bring it up. So your point is that Fedora is a a GNOME *based* distribution taken from the Docs? I would imagine that the 'GNOME thing' you see is a result of the Doc author being familiar with GNOME and not KDE. On the help list I often see someone ask for help and get it only to find out that the first user does not use the same desktop as the second. I am sure that Fedora would be more than happy if you volunteered to write these directions from a KDE point of view. You could ask. A source of help with this could be here. Welcome to KDE UserBase http://userbase.kde.org/ -- David signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Strange happenings in Thunderbird-3.0-2.7.b4.fc11
Thunderbird 3.0-2.7.b4.fc11 has strange problems going on. My friends are calling me and telling me that Mouse won't work , can't send email on SMTP server, loosing delete Icons etc. On the first two I had them move .thunderbird into /Download, temp, and uninstall Thunderbird and reinstall and moving old .thunderbird back into /home/user and every work normal again. As far as loosing Delete, Forward icons at top of thunderbird, I just right click where Icons were and replace missing icons. Anybody experiencing any problems like this ?? I guess that's what you can expect with a Beta version. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: privoxy conundrum [solved]
Frank Cox wrote:
[google-analytics.com is] included in my user.action
file. and it hasn't caused any problems yet
that I'm aware of.
I have removed ssl.google-analytics.com from the sites
that bypass privoxy, but to be safe, I did make an
entry to refuse cookies.
I checked your user.action file and added a { +block }
section with .google-analytics.com beneath -- the only
deviation from the stock file provided by the package,
and now it all seems to work!
I can log out of google, I can check my pcpoints...
I must have had an obscure error in my original file,
which was the stock file, like yours, plus a couple of
sites to expressly block, again, like yours. As a
result of this experimentation, I have noticed that it
is not necessary to block all of those sites at all,
as the standard user.action already does it without
further ado.
==
I had a look at customizegoogle, but I pass. Thanks for
the suggestion, but I prefer to avoid installing
scripts and firefox addons, etc., that do not originate
from reputable sources like fedora, mozilla, etc.
In any respect, *it works!*
Merci and Happy Thanksgiving Day.
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Re: Strange happenings in Thunderbird-3.0-2.7.b4.fc11
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/11/2009 11:42 AM, Jim wrote: Thunderbird 3.0-2.7.b4.fc11 has strange problems going on. My friends are calling me and telling me that Mouse won't work , can't send email on SMTP server, loosing delete Icons etc. On the first two I had them move .thunderbird into /Download, temp, and uninstall Thunderbird and reinstall and moving old .thunderbird back into /home/user and every work normal again. As far as loosing Delete, Forward icons at top of thunderbird, I just right click where Icons were and replace missing icons. Anybody experiencing any problems like this ?? I guess that's what you can expect with a Beta version. On beta releases, it pays to read the release notes Redesigned Mail Toolbar The Mail Toolbar is redesigned to include the new Global Search bar. Buttons such as reply, forward, delete, junk are part of each email message. You can add those buttons back to the main toolbar by customizing the toolbar. I haven't had any SMTP problems. - -- Steve -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkrSDZUACgkQeERILVgMyvA6CQCfZ2YfskQf4SsHPBcFgy+cCIW1 h10AniSCzPcJLINE1emBYO3Ug70rKqZZ =8Ypu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: privoxy conundrum [solved]
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:47:19 -0600 Petrus de Calguarium wrote: I had a look at customizegoogle, but I pass. Thanks for the suggestion, but I prefer to avoid installing scripts and firefox addons, etc., that do not originate from reputable sources like fedora, mozilla, etc. customizegoogle is available through mozilla: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/743 -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?
Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 10/11/2009 07:48 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Nevertheless, it remains true that Fedora is a Gnome-based distro! Why? Because it's all over the documentation. I doubt you'll find the phrase Fedora is a Gnome-based distro anywhere in the docs, but the fact remains that at every juncture where a DE is relevant to a system administration function, it's assumed to be Gnome unless a specific exception is made for KDE. Any specific pointers? We can fix the documentation. You are welcome to contribute. In most cases, it is a matter of not having enough people volunteering to comprehensively document every desktop environment. While not exactly documentation: http://www.fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora Get Fedora 11 Desktop Edition Now This is the latest version of the Fedora Linux operating system featuring the GNOME desktop. And then on the right: KDE fans, go here! Have a PowerPC? Go here! Show me all download options in one page! Put in this way, it appears that KDE and PPC are just supported because there are a few weird people and weird machines around. Better replace fans with something more neutral such as users. BTW, why in the first two sentences the webmaster is talking and in the last one the web user is talking? Sounds stylistically unpolished. Suggestion: Fedora with KDE Fedora for PowerPC All Fedora download options Best regards. -- Roberto Ragusamail at robertoragusa.it -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: strange issue with XFCE spin LiveCD
--- On Fri, 10/9/09, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: From: Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com Subject: Re: strange issue with XFCE spin LiveCD To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 2:33 PM On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 06:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Globe Trotter itsme_...@yahoo.com wrote: ...snip... None of the suggestions in the wiki has worked. Note that I can not install F11 (because I can not get in with the LiveCD). It comes up fine, but the button for automatic login is not clickable and freezes my machine. Here again are the details for the hardware: should I file in bugzilla? Under what component? Dell Precision Workstation T7400 nSeries ...snip... 512MB PCIe x16 ATI Fire GL V7700, Dual Monitor DVI capable You specifically tried these: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F11_bugs#radeon-misc-gfx Many of these comments are after installation, not before. These files do not exist at this point. The problem is that the LiveCD freezes the moment the Automatic Login is clicked. You can try also booting with: 'xdriver=vesa' and see if it helps any. I have tried xdriver=vesa nomodeset as well as kernelmodeset=0 to no avail. The freeze happens irrespective of whether I use the XFCE or (Gnome) F11 LiveCD. I was able to get an installation done with the LiveCD using textinstall and removing rhgb but I was not given any option on custom layout for partitioning my HDD. Worse, on firstboot, the machine refused to go beyond the timezone selection: froze ten times when the next button was clicked. I wonder if the F10 LiveCD would work! Best, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?
On 10/11/2009 11:13 PM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Put in this way, it appears that KDE and PPC are just supported because there are a few weird people and weird machines around. Seems people try hard to find fault. However the design is changing for Fedora 12 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Website_redesign_2009 Send your feedback if any to fedora-websites list/ webmas...@fedoraproject.org. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can ISPs be trusted?
On 10/09/2009 12:36 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 14:12:32 -0400, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak m...@avtechpulse.com wrote: Anyway, it is unlikely that your ISP is messing with you (has such a case ever been reported?), but it is technically possible. I think what you mean is that your ISP is unlikely to be SPECIFICALLY messing with you. And why not? If it's easy to do covertly, then what's to stop them? If not your ISP, what about your phone company, if not what about data-traffic routers, if not what about... and keep on going - is it a labyrinth/maze that is well hidden, globally? You might want to ask: Cui Bono? If you have residential cable or dsl from the local duopoly they are quite likely to be messing with you. They may provide DNS with bogus TTLs, send RST packets intended to break bitorrent connections, throttle traffic based on deep packet inspection rather than say, just volume, screw things up with hidden proxies that make unwarranted assumptions about your traffic, returning bogus DNS records instead of NXDOMAIN, changing inflight http responses to insert ads, tracking or helping others track what websites you use for marketting purposes. Uh huh, that and much, much more than we can dream or think about, after all, blackbox operations are 'classified', and way, way ahead of civilian technology. Or so I think. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Errors from Firefox
I'm getting a lot (42000) of the following message showing up in my
.xsession-errors file
(firefox:15823): Gdk-WARNING **: XID collision, trouble ahead
pid 15823 is /usr/lib64/firefox-3.5.3/firefox
I also see the following errors:
(firefox:5767): Gdk-WARNING **: GdkWindow 0x3f02525 unexpectedly destroyed
(firefox:5767): Gdk-WARNING **: GdkWindow 0x3f025ad unexpectedly destroyed
(firefox:5767): Gdk-WARNING **: GdkWindow 0x3f025ac unexpectedly destroyed
(firefox:5767): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_new: assertion `window != NULL'
failed
(firefox:5767): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_set_user_data: assertion
`GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
(firefox:5767): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_set_back_pixmap: assertion
`GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
(firefox:5767): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_set_data: assertion
`G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
(firefox:5767): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_set_data: assertion
`G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
(firefox:5767): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_move_resize: assertion
`GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
(firefox:5767): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_hide: assertion `GDK_IS_WINDOW
(window)' failed
(firefox:5767): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_show_unraised: assertion
`GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
firefox: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server
:0.0.
/usr/lib64/firefox-3.5.3/run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 5767 Segmentation
fault $prog ${1+$@}
Window manager warning: Buggy client sent a _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW message with
a timestamp of 0 for 0x3e00049 (Mozilla Fi)
Window manager warning: meta_window_activate called by a pager with a 0
timestamp; the pager needs to be fixed.
I'm running 64bit F11 with all the recent updates on a Core 2 Dual
processor.
Anyone else seeing these issues?
As a side note my .xsession-errors file is over 25 megabytes in size.
Paolo
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why do youtubes play at double speed?
i've been fighting with this for a while -- any attempt to play youtube videos plays them at what appears to be double speed, no audio, and fairly erratically. i have a fully-updated f11 system, and i have no idea what the problem is -- flash had been working fine for the longest time. any thoughts? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Errors from Firefox
Am Sonntag, den 11.10.2009, 11:39 -0700 schrieb Paolo Galtieri:
I'm getting a lot (42000) of the following message showing up in
my .xsession-errors file
(firefox:15823): Gdk-WARNING **: XID collision, trouble ahead
pid 15823 is /usr/lib64/firefox-3.5.3/firefox
I also see the following errors:
(firefox:5767): Gdk-WARNING **: GdkWindow 0x3f02525 unexpectedly
destroyed
(firefox:5767): Gdk-WARNING **: GdkWindow 0x3f025ad unexpectedly
destroyed
(firefox:5767): Gdk-WARNING **: GdkWindow 0x3f025ac unexpectedly
destroyed
(firefox:5767): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_new: assertion `window !=
NULL' failed
(firefox:5767): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_set_user_data: assertion
`GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
(firefox:5767): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_set_back_pixmap: assertion
`GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
(firefox:5767): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_set_data: assertion
`G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
(firefox:5767): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_set_data: assertion
`G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
(firefox:5767): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_move_resize: assertion
`GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
(firefox:5767): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_hide: assertion
`GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
(firefox:5767): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_show_unraised: assertion
`GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
firefox: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X
server :0.0.
/usr/lib64/firefox-3.5.3/run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 5767 Segmentation
fault $prog ${1+$@}
Window manager warning: Buggy client sent a _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW message
with a timestamp of 0 for 0x3e00049 (Mozilla Fi)
Window manager warning: meta_window_activate called by a pager with a
0 timestamp; the pager needs to be fixed.
I'm running 64bit F11 with all the recent updates on a Core 2 Dual
processor.
Anyone else seeing these issues?
As a side note my .xsession-errors file is over 25 megabytes in size.
Paolo
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Hello Paolo,
I don't know why your Firefox crashes, but it looks like it tells the
window manager to do somehing which it can't. Are you using the normal
Gnome install? I think it would be better to file this as a bug and
provide information about the window manager you're using.
Regarding the errors that include gdk_*, I'm getting them too since I
installed Fedora 11. I don't know why, but they occur whenever I start a
graphical application from the command line. However they never had any
influence on the way the programs worked.
Regards, Julian
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Re: Errors from Firefox
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Julian Aloofi
julian.fedorali...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am Sonntag, den 11.10.2009, 11:39 -0700 schrieb Paolo Galtieri:
I'm getting a lot (42000) of the following message showing up in
my .xsession-errors file
(firefox:15823): Gdk-WARNING **: XID collision, trouble ahead
pid 15823 is /usr/lib64/firefox-3.5.3/firefox
I also see the following errors:
(firefox:5767): Gdk-WARNING **: GdkWindow 0x3f02525 unexpectedly
destroyed
(firefox:5767): Gdk-WARNING **: GdkWindow 0x3f025ad unexpectedly
destroyed
(firefox:5767): Gdk-WARNING **: GdkWindow 0x3f025ac unexpectedly
destroyed
(firefox:5767): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_new: assertion `window !=
NULL' failed
(firefox:5767): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_set_user_data: assertion
`GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
(firefox:5767): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_set_back_pixmap: assertion
`GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
(firefox:5767): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_set_data: assertion
`G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
(firefox:5767): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_set_data: assertion
`G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
(firefox:5767): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_move_resize: assertion
`GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
(firefox:5767): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_hide: assertion
`GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
(firefox:5767): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_show_unraised: assertion
`GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
firefox: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X
server :0.0.
/usr/lib64/firefox-3.5.3/run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 5767 Segmentation
fault $prog ${1+$@}
Window manager warning: Buggy client sent a _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW message
with a timestamp of 0 for 0x3e00049 (Mozilla Fi)
Window manager warning: meta_window_activate called by a pager with a
0 timestamp; the pager needs to be fixed.
I'm running 64bit F11 with all the recent updates on a Core 2 Dual
processor.
Anyone else seeing these issues?
As a side note my .xsession-errors file is over 25 megabytes in size.
Paolo
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Hello Paolo,
I don't know why your Firefox crashes, but it looks like it tells the
window manager to do somehing which it can't. Are you using the normal
Gnome install? I think it would be better to file this as a bug and
provide information about the window manager you're using.
Regarding the errors that include gdk_*, I'm getting them too since I
installed Fedora 11. I don't know why, but they occur whenever I start a
graphical application from the command line. However they never had any
influence on the way the programs worked.
Regards, Julian
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I'm using standard Gnome install on F11 with metacity as my window manager.
What to do I file the bug against, firefox, metacity, ... ?
Paolo
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F11: Last update, brought back daily system lockouts
Yeah, every morning, I cannot log in, from the keyboard nor from another system. I am forced to hit the reset button. My system is an Intel Core 2 Duo. When is this annoying problem going to get fixed or has this been reported as a bug somewhere? Here is what I see in /var/log/message file: = [...] Oct 10 09:27:17 gold ntpd[8783]: synchronized to 64.73.32.134, stratum 2 Oct 10 09:47:34 gold ntpd[8783]: synchronized to 205.209.166.11, stratum 2 Oct 10 10:30:31 gold ntpd[8783]: synchronized to 64.73.32.134, stratum 2 Oct 10 11:20:51 gold ntpd[8783]: synchronized to 205.209.166.11, stratum 2 Oct 10 12:10:57 gold pulseaudio[10662]: alsa-sink.c: Increasing wakeup watermark to 30.00 ms Oct 10 12:28:20 gold kernel: kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds Oct 10 12:28:20 gold kernel: EXT3 FS on sda8, internal journal Oct 10 12:28:20 gold kernel: EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Oct 10 12:28:22 gold kernel: SELinux: Context system_u:object_r:readahead_etc_rw_t:s0 is not valid (left unmapped). Oct 10 14:14:11 gold ntpd[8783]: synchronized to 64.73.32.134, stratum 2 Oct 10 15:10:01 gold auditd[8203]: Audit daemon rotating log files Oct 10 16:32:35 gold ntpd[8783]: synchronized to 205.209.166.11, stratum 2 [GAP! = DATA RECORDING STOPPED!] [Rebooted system here] Oct 11 10:53:41 gold kernel: imklog 3.22.1, log source = /proc/kmsg started. Oct 11 10:53:41 gold kernel: Initializing cgroup subsys cpuset Oct 11 10:53:41 gold kernel: Initializing cgroup subsys cpu Oct 11 10:53:41 gold kernel: Linux version 2.6.30.8-64.fc11.i586 (mockbu...@x86-6.fedora.phx.redhat.com) (gcc version 4.4.1 20090725 (Red Hat 4.4.1-2) (GCC) ) #1 SMP Fri Sep 25 04:30:19 EDT 2009 Oct 11 10:53:41 gold kernel: KERNEL supported cpus: Oct 11 10:53:41 gold kernel: Intel GenuineIntel Oct 11 10:53:41 gold kernel: AMD AuthenticAMD [...] = -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Swing applications' menu have no border
Hello all, Swing applications' menus have no border when Clearlook theme is selected in both fedora 10 and f11, however when nodoka theme is selected, the menus are well displayed. currently i have fedora 11 with the last updates which include: java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0-29.b16.fc11 gtk2-engines-2.18.2-1.fc11.i586 is this a bug ? Best Regards. -- Athmane Madjoudj Blog: http://athmane.wordpress.com Resumé: http://athmane.wordpress.com/about Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Athmane -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: privoxy conundrum [solved]
Frank Cox wrote: customizegoogle is available through mozilla Thanks for the correction :-0 I will keep it in mind, in case I need further protection. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
intel integrated graphics
Hi I have an intel chipset G31/946Z with graphics (GMA 3100). I have just installed fedora 11 but am not able to change the screen resolution so assume I may need additional drivers. New to linux. Advice much appreciated. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
F11: Problem with Glade Interface Designver (v3): TreeView?
Apologies if this is not the proper place to post this question. There are two versions of Glade Interface Designer programs, v2.12.2 and v3.6.1, provided with F11 and I seem to be having a problem with GID v3.6.1. There seems to be some widgets that are not supported, hence some widgets being greyed out, and hovering over a unsupported widget shows an error. For example, selecting Tree Model -- Tree Store: Tree Store: This widget is not supported in libglade format. However, some widgets seems to be supported (not greyed out) until one selects a certain widget and attempts to drop the widget into a container. In my case, I selected: Control and Display -- Tree View, dropped the widget into a Scrolled Window container, then a parameter required dialog box appears with the the orange triangle ! icon next to a greyed-out, input combo-box. Ignoring this problem, I selected OK and the widget properties pane appears with several properties with the same orange triangle ! icon on several property items. Is this normal or does this indicate a problem? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?
On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 10:57 -0400, David wrote: So your point is that Fedora is a a GNOME *based* distribution taken from the Docs? I would imagine that the 'GNOME thing' you see is a result of the Doc author being familiar with GNOME and not KDE. On the help list I often see someone ask for help and get it only to find out that the first user does not use the same desktop as the second. I am sure that Fedora would be more than happy if you volunteered to write these directions from a KDE point of view. You could ask. Rewriting them would simply invite a huge duplication of effort and could be difficult to keep in synch, but in many cases some gloss on the editing would do the trick. I'll keep that in mind. A source of help with this could be here. Welcome to KDE UserBase http://userbase.kde.org/ I already do contribute (in a very minor way) to UserBase. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: intel integrated graphics
On 10/11/2009 02:30 PM, jenny chapman wrote: Hi I have an intel chipset G31/946Z with graphics (GMA 3100). I have just installed fedora 11 but am not able to change the screen resolution so assume I may need additional drivers. New to linux. Advice much appreciated. This has been discussed. Apparently there is a problem with Intel Graphics Chip coding for X11(?) which is said to be in a major rewrite, if I recall correctly. For the time being, the only solution to get around this is to add: nomodeset to end of the kernel line in grub, and as for the fix, who knows if this fix will be added to F11 or will only appear in the next major release be it F12 or later. Maybe others can chime in provide the exact details, as I could be wrong. FWIW, Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Converting GPT to MBR
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 08:20:07AM -0700, Markus Kesaromous wrote: Subject: Converting GPT to MBR Second try to find an answer... Hi all, I purchased a 1.5 TB HD, and I used gparted to create 4 partitions (GPT), without knowing that winx XP (32) cannot access GPT. Among the is a vfat partition which I mount under winxp - acts as a way to share files on a dual boot system. However, windows cannot see any partitions on this disk. Now I would like to convert these partitions to MBR type of partitions without losing the filesystems (data) in each partition. I have no second disk to back up these partitions to. Is it possible to make this conversion? How? CAUTION there be dragons here. Windows XP (32) looks problematic. For other flavors I am not sure that conversion is necessary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table Step ONE is make a backup in a way that you know, understand and can verify. The Wikipedia article indicates that partitions are LBA specified so knowing the LBA begin and end may make it possible to specify LBA in the GPT table and end up with a 1:1 equivalent map. If I recall there are two partition tools one of which will round all LBA tables to even multiples of CHS. Do check that you have not added another abstraction layer with logical volumes. Since you purchased a 1.5TB disk do you still have the OLD disk. If you have the OLD disk just use it or a part of it as a shared commons and save a bit of pain.I have started using an 8GB USB flash device to move files as it is big enough for what I do. -- T o m M i t c h e l l Found me a new hat, now what? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: intel integrated graphics
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 10:30:21PM +0100, jenny chapman wrote: Hi I have an intel chipset G31/946Z with graphics (GMA 3100). I have just installed fedora 11 but am not able to change the screen resolution so assume I may need additional drivers. New to linux. Advice much appreciated. What type of display do you have? Laptop or Deskside? How is the display connected? What resolution do you see and what resolution do you want. LCD displays mostly have a fixed resolution that is autodetected.If so changing resolution is a null issue. A low resolution 640x400 or so will work on almost all as a safety net. -- T o m M i t c h e l l Found me a new hat, now what? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?
On 10/11/2009 6:00 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 10:57 -0400, David wrote: So your point is that Fedora is a a GNOME *based* distribution taken from the Docs? I would imagine that the 'GNOME thing' you see is a result of the Doc author being familiar with GNOME and not KDE. On the help list I often see someone ask for help and get it only to find out that the first user does not use the same desktop as the second. I am sure that Fedora would be more than happy if you volunteered to write these directions from a KDE point of view. You could ask. Rewriting them would simply invite a huge duplication of effort and could be difficult to keep in synch, but in many cases some gloss on the editing would do the trick. I'll keep that in mind. A source of help with this could be here. Welcome to KDE UserBase http://userbase.kde.org/ I already do contribute (in a very minor way) to UserBase. Really? Good for you. Next time there say 'hi' to Anne for me. -- David signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: Problem with Glade Interface Designver (v3): TreeView?
On 10/11/2009 03:03 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Apologies if this is not the proper place to post this question. There are two versions of Glade Interface Designer programs, v2.12.2 and v3.6.1, provided with F11 and I seem to be having a problem with GID v3.6.1. There seems to be some widgets that are not supported, hence some widgets being greyed out, and hovering over a unsupported widget shows an error. For example, selecting Tree Model -- Tree Store: Tree Store: This widget is not supported in libglade format. However, some widgets seems to be supported (not greyed out) until one selects a certain widget and attempts to drop the widget into a container. In my case, I selected: Control and Display -- Tree View, dropped the widget into a Scrolled Window container, then a parameter required dialog box appears with the the orange triangle ! icon next to a greyed-out, input combo-box. Ignoring this problem, I selected OK and the widget properties pane appears with several properties with the same orange triangle ! icon on several property items. Is this normal or does this indicate a problem Never mind, apparently, it's normal. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: xmessage alternative?
Am Donnerstag, den 08.10.2009, 21:25 -0400 schrieb Steve Blackwell: I'm using xmessage from /etc/profile to put up a message whenever anyone logs in. It works fine but it is butt ugly! Does anyone know of an alternative? Perhaps something that uses a GNOME theme? yum install gxmessage Regards, Christoph -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 and super user
Am Mittwoch, den 07.10.2009, 18:03 + schrieb Croombe F. Pensom: Ever since I upgraded to F11, I can no longer log in as root. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Enabling_Root_User_For_GNOME_Display_Manager Regards, Christoph -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
root mail
Hi all, I have a problem with unix mail Whenever there's a cron failure, etc. mail gets sent to root on localhost. It seems that it tries to use sendmail, except I have ssmtp set up in the alternatives. From reading the docs, it looks like ssmtp doesn't support unix mail. I don't want the localhost mail to go out through a real smtp server, and I'm not too keen on running a huge mailing package like sendmail or postfix on my laptop. What are my options? Thanks -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can ISPs be trusted?
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 11:34:59 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman d...@cdkkt.com wrote: On 10/09/2009 12:36 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: If you have residential cable or dsl from the local duopoly they are quite likely to be messing with you. They may provide DNS with bogus TTLs, send RST packets intended to break bitorrent connections, throttle traffic based on deep packet inspection rather than say, just volume, screw things up with hidden proxies that make unwarranted assumptions about your traffic, returning bogus DNS records instead of NXDOMAIN, changing inflight http responses to insert ads, tracking or helping others track what websites you use for marketting purposes. Uh huh, that and much, much more than we can dream or think about, after all, blackbox operations are 'classified', and way, way ahead of civilian technology. Or so I think. The above descriptions were actual things ISPs have done. They don't do them at the behest of government, they do them for money. Either they are trying to skimp on infrastructure, sell ads or sell marketting data. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Problem with download
Respected Sir/Madam, I was trying to download the DVD iso of the fedora 11, using the link www.fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-all. But, the x86_64http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/11/Fedora/x86_64/iso/Fedora-11-x86_64-DVD.iso- Install DVD link of the page, is showing an alert saying, 550 Failed to change directory. Pls. do the needful. With Respect Atish -- Fedora-websites-list mailing list Fedora-websites-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
