Fwd: Power Managemet Testday 22. Oct 2009

2009-10-22 Thread Marcela Mašláňová


 Original Message 
Subject:Power Managemet Testday 22. Oct 2009
Date:   Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:04:12 -0400 (EDT)
From:   Jan Scotka jsco...@redhat.com
To: Marcela Maslanova mmasl...@redhat.com



Hi folks,
Today 2009-10-22 is planned next Power Management Test Day.
We will be glad to see you all there.
For more info:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PowerManagementF12
 
and link to today testday:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-10-22

please join #fedora-test-day on freenode irc From 12:00 to 21:00 UTC (8am - 
5pm EDT) and append your results.

Regards
  Honza

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Re: Fwd: Request to update ATi OSS driver for Fedora 12

2009-10-22 Thread Michal Hlavinka
On Wednesday 21 October 2009 23:27:31 Adam Williamson wrote:
 On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 15:16 +0800, Liang Suilong wrote:
  Today I upgrade my Fedora to Fedora 12 Beta, It looks very well. But I
  found ATi display driver does not run well.
 
 
  My display card is Sapphire HD3650 with 256MB GDDR3 VRAM (RV635). I
  choose OSS driver for my card. Glxgears runs so smoothly with
  xorg-x11-drv-ati because of KMS by default, nevertheless, rolling up
  and down in the gnome-terminal is quite slow. The performance of
  glxgears is about 210 frams per second. In addition, Switching to
  another window in Fedora 12 Beta is not as fast in Fedora 11. Later, I
  install xorg-x11-drv-radeonhd and set it by default in the
  system-config-display. Then I restart the X. I can not log into gnome.
  The screen turns white. I found xorg-x11-drv-radeonhd is too old, The
  version is 1.2.5 in the rawhide and the latest version 1.3.0 has been
  released for a long time. Now I turn back to xorg-x11-drv-ati. At
  last, I do not know which packages causes the  problem, maybe
  xorg-x11-drv-ati, maybe xorg-x11-drv-radeonhd, maybe Mesa. So I
  suggest that packager updates some packge related to ATi R600/R700
  display card.
 
 Fedora doesn't really care about the radeonhd driver. We may well even
 remove it at some point soon. The ati driver is the one you should use
 on Fedora, that's why it's the default.
 
 You do not get 3D acceleration out of the box on that card, r600 3D
 acceleration is too early to be enabled by default. If you want to try
 it out, install the mesa-dri-drivers-experimental package.
 
 For the slow 2D performance - _how_ slow is it, really? gnome-terminal
 has never been much of a speed demon. Does it get any faster if you boot
 with 'nomodeset' as a kernel parameter?
 

Hi, 
I've installed F-12 beta on my new laptop with ati radeon hd 4570 graphic 
card, I was going to file new bug. With kms enabled, everything is really 
slw, with 'nomodeset' it's much faster. I can't say exactly how slow it 
is, is there anything I can use for measuring?

Michal

btw, mesa-dri-drivers-experimental does not work at all for me (glx apps 
segfault)

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Re: Fedora 12 Beta

2009-10-22 Thread Matěj Cepl
Dne 21.10.2009 23:35, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
 4 - F12 boots really slow on my laptop
 http://www.stardust.webpages.pl/files/tmp/bootchart.png something
 wrong is happening while udev loading

I have filed a bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528312
... if you run udevadm monitor --env while udev is eating your CPU (yes,
I know it is tough, I tried many times before I succeeded), who is to blame?

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Re: Fedora 12 Blocker Bug Meeting #1 :: 2009-10-23 @ 15:00 UTC (11 AM EDT)

2009-10-22 Thread Richard Hughes
2009/10/21 John Poelstra poels...@redhat.com:
 520750 - PackageKit - ASSIGNED  - Software Update windows checks for update
 does not stop ..

This has been reported by one person (no dupes), and I'm still waiting
for more information. I suspect it's actually a hardware problem or
file-system corruption on the reporters computer. Basically, I don't
think this should be a blocker.

Richard.

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Re: extracting multiple sources in %setup

2009-10-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot


Le Jeu 22 octobre 2009 09:46, Marcus Moeller a écrit :

 is there a way to extract multiple sources in a spec files %setup section?

 Something like:

 for i in {1..10}; do tar xfz %(SOURCE$i}; done

If you have multiple sources that's usually a sign you're doing something
wrong. It is very dangerous to aggregate sources from different upstreams in a
single rpm (release cycle and legal problems), or to group sources upstream
split (usually for ease of maintenance reasons)

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Re: extracting multiple sources in %setup

2009-10-22 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 3:46 AM, Marcus Moeller wrote:
 Hi,

 is there a way to extract multiple sources in a spec files %setup section?

 Something like:

 for i in {1..10}; do tar xfz %(SOURCE$i}; done

 Best Regards
 Marcus


%setup -q -c -n %{name} -a 0 -a 1 -a 2 -a 3 -a 4 -a 5 -a 6 -a 7 -a 8 -a 9 -a 10

should work. I don't if there's any nicer way.

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What does it mean package not tagged as an update candidate?

2009-10-22 Thread Richard W.M. Jones

I'm trying to create an update for a new package (mingw32-freeglut,
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528892) in F-12, but I get
the error below:

  $ make update
  [...]
  Creating a new update for  mingw32-freeglut-2.6.0-0.1.rc1.fc12 
  mingw32-freeglut-2.6.0-0.1.rc1.fc12 not tagged as an update candidate

What does it mean?

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Re: Simplify non-responsive maintainers policy Part 2

2009-10-22 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 00:07, Tom Lane wrote:
 Lyos Gemini Norezel lyos.gemininore...@gmail.com writes:
  Why not just require a secondary email address?
 
 Require a secondary email address?  Not everyone has one, or wants
 to hand it over if they do.  That sounds more like a recipe for driving
 maintainers away than making sure you can contact them.

How about: Maintainers should provide a secondary e-mail address if their
primary address is supplied by their current employer.

Regards,
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Re: Unable to download Fedora 12 beta using jigdo

2009-10-22 Thread Hedayat Vatankhah

Hi again,
I finally managed to create the image by downloading net install .iso 
image and providing its install.img to jigdo!


Good luck,
Hedayat

On ۰۹/۱۰/۲۲  03:55, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote:

Hi,
I'm trying to download F12 beta DVD x86_64 iso using jigdo (I've used 
jigdo to download previous versions too). It successfully downloaded 
all files, but it doesn't accept downloaded install.img file and tries 
to download it again and again. I've tried downloading install.img 
several times (also using stand alone download applications) but jigdo 
doesn't accept any of them. As a result, jigdo doesn't compose the 
final .iso image because of 1 missing file. Does anybody have any 
ideas about the reason of failure? Has anybody downloaded F12 beta 
x86_64 using jigdo successfully?


Thanks,
Hedayat



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Re: Simplify non-responsive maintainers policy Part 2

2009-10-22 Thread Milos Jakubicek

Hi,

On 21.10.2009 20:10, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:

* Should we formalize the unwritten policy for Red Hat maintainers who leave
   the company and don't want to maintain their packages anymore?
   * Do we need sanity checks to be sure maintainers who do want to keep
 their packages do so?


I don't think so: in past it was always clear who wants to maintain the 
package further (at least because the maintainer changed his contact 
from @redhat.com to some private address).



   * Do we want something more generic that covers other compaines that pay
 their employees to package for Fedora?


I'd rather set now this policy for RH employees (which will cover 99 % 
of cases) than discuss anything like secondary mail addresses and 
various situations which can raise up with other companies for the next 
month. The RH environment is clear to us and easy for manage to you (I 
mean there are no actual problems with handling this within RH), am I right?


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Re: Simplify non-responsive maintainers policy Part 2

2009-10-22 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:10:22AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:

 * Should we expedite these requests in the future if the email address for
   the maintainer is no longer in existence?

Yes, please. If the mail address of a maintainers do not work anymore,
then their packages should be orphaned, so that others can maintain
them. If the mail address does not work, then all bug report
notifications would get lost and also communication attempts using the
package-owner aliases. Therefore it should be made sure there is always
someone caring about these messages for each package.

 * Should we formalize the unwritten policy for Red Hat maintainers who leave
   the company and don't want to maintain their packages anymore?

Yes, unwritten policies are always bad.

   * Do we need sanity checks to be sure maintainers who do want to keep
 their packages do so?

What kind of checks do you mean? If maintainers want to keep their
packages, they can just change the owner of the package to their new
private account before leaving Red Hat.

   * Do we want something more generic that covers other compaines that pay
 their employees to package for Fedora?

Does it need to be different than the currently unwritted Red Hat
policy? If not, then it could just be the same policy Red Hat can be
used as an example, if needed.

Regards
Till


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Unreadable binaries

2009-10-22 Thread Richard W.M. Jones

$ ll /usr/libexec/pt_chown 
-rws--x--x 1 root root 28418 2009-09-28 13:42 /usr/libexec/pt_chown
$ ll /usr/bin/chsh 
-rws--x--x 1 root root 18072 2009-10-05 16:28 /usr/bin/chsh

What is the purpose of making binaries like these unreadable?

Originally I thought it was something to do with them being setuid,
but there are counterexamples:

$ ll /usr/bin/passwd 
-rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 25336 2009-09-14 13:14 /usr/bin/passwd

Surely there is no possible secret in those binaries, since an
attacker could just as easily download the binary RPMs on another
machine in order to find out what is inside them.

There's a genuine reason for me asking about this.  When we build the
libguestfs supermin appliance[1] we would like to be able to read
these binaries as non-root.

Rich.

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Re: What does it mean package not tagged as an update candidate?

2009-10-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 09:26:06 +0100,
  Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote:
 
 I'm trying to create an update for a new package (mingw32-freeglut,
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528892) in F-12, but I get
 the error below:
 
   $ make update
   [...]
   Creating a new update for  mingw32-freeglut-2.6.0-0.1.rc1.fc12 
   mingw32-freeglut-2.6.0-0.1.rc1.fc12 not tagged as an update candidate
 
 What does it mean?

Probably that has to do with using bodhi for F12 being delayed for a while.
You should open a release engineering ticket instead. There was an
announcement from Warren about this within the last 24 hours.

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Major reorganization of TeX Live packages

2009-10-22 Thread Jindrich Novy
Hi,

I would like to announce couple of major changes in the TeX Live 2009
repository.

The main improvements are:

* TL2009 now contains virtual provides to resolve dependencies among
.sty files. This assures you have a complete set of other styles
installed in order to use one. To install a particular style you can
do e.g. yum install 'tex(upref.sty)' and you needn't to know it comes
from texlive-amscls package. The exception are dependencies to styles
which are either commercial (such as mathtime.sty) or not available from
CTAN. These styles were blacklisted and dependency generator ignores
them.

* Upgradability from older TeX Live 2007 is now improved. You may
remember that the biggest problem with upgrading TL is not in TeX Live
itself but in utilities around it, like xdvipdfm, psutils, etc. that
needs older kpathsea library than shipped with TL2009. I've done some
modifications so that starting with texlive-2007-45 and higher, both
newer and older libraries can coexist. So you should be able to run
your F11 apps linked against old kpathsea together with new TL2009.

* a version string was added to noarch packages to allow to upgrade
all of the noarch packages even if upstream hasn't done any
modifications. This allows me to not to break upgrade path if some
major packaging changes are made and these packages need to be rebuilt.

* TL packages released under GFSL license are now added.

In case you have an older TL2009 installed on your system from the
testing repository, please consider removing it and installing again.

Thanks,
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Re: dracut, or should booting a LiveCD touch the hard disk?

2009-10-22 Thread Hans de Goede

On 10/06/2009 06:29 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:

On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 16:27 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote:


Thanks for bringing this up. I'll create a patch for the scripts
generating the livecd to add rd_NO_LUKS to the normal livecd
syslinux.cfg entry. I already was planning on doing this, but I forgot.


can you file a tag request to get this into the beta? it's the kind of
thing that shouldn't show up in the beta, and we can't fix it with
updates. and it's a pretty safe change (just switching a behaviour
choice when we know both choices do what they're supposed to). CCing
Jesse to accept the request.



Hi,

This is in rawhide now, must the beta though.

Regards,

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Re: dracut, or should booting a LiveCD touch the hard disk?

2009-10-22 Thread Hans de Goede

On 10/22/2009 01:46 PM, Hans de Goede wrote:

On 10/06/2009 06:29 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:

On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 16:27 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote:


Thanks for bringing this up. I'll create a patch for the scripts
generating the livecd to add rd_NO_LUKS to the normal livecd
syslinux.cfg entry. I already was planning on doing this, but I forgot.


can you file a tag request to get this into the beta? it's the kind of
thing that shouldn't show up in the beta, and we can't fix it with
updates. and it's a pretty safe change (just switching a behaviour
choice when we know both choices do what they're supposed to). CCing
Jesse to accept the request.



Hi,

This is in rawhide now, must the beta though.



That should read *missed* the beta though.

Regards,

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Re: Fwd: Request to update ATi OSS driver for Fedora 12

2009-10-22 Thread Liang Suilong
Hi,
I've installed F-12 beta on my new laptop with ati radeon hd 4570 graphic
card, I was going to file new bug. With kms enabled, everything is really
slw, with 'nomodeset' it's much faster. I can't say exactly how slow
it
is, is there anything I can use for measuring?
Michal
btw, mesa-dri-drivers-experimental does not work at all for me (glx apps
segfault)


To Michal Hlavinka,
Hi, in Fedora 12, KMS for R600/R700 is an experimental features. The next
mainline kernel, 2.6.32 will official support KMS of R600/R700.

Xorg still does not release opensource drivers for R600/R700 to run 3D
program. Mesa-dri-drivers-experimental is just a testing package. It can run
compiz. But compiz is easy to crash with this dri-drivers. Believe that,
Fedora developers still work hard for opensource ati driver. Please wait a
moment. 3D acceleration is coming soon.


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Re: Fwd: Request to update ATi OSS driver for Fedora 12

2009-10-22 Thread Michal Schmidt

On 10/22/2009 01:56 PM, Liang Suilong wrote:

I try to add kernel parameter nomodeset to turn off KMS. After logging
in Gnome and run gnome-terminal, I can scroll up and down my mouse so
smoothly. I do not feel scrolling in the terminal is slow.


I noticed that performance with KMS is more affected than non-KMS by the 
debugging options which are enabled in Rawhide kernel. The final release 
will have most of them disabled, so there's a chance the performance 
with KMS will improve.

You could try rebuilding the kernel without debugging to confirm it.

Michal

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Re: Major reorganization of TeX Live packages

2009-10-22 Thread Neal Becker
Jindrich Novy wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I would like to announce couple of major changes in the TeX Live 2009
 repository.
 

Where?

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Re: Major reorganization of TeX Live packages

2009-10-22 Thread Jindrich Novy
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 08:30:37AM -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
 Jindrich Novy wrote:
 
  Hi,
  
  I would like to announce couple of major changes in the TeX Live 2009
  repository.
  
 
 Where?
 

In the Fedora TeX Live 2009 testing repository, for more info:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/TeXLive

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Should installkernel be passing --dracut to new-kernel-pkg?

2009-10-22 Thread Stephen Smalley
Hi,

/sbin/installkernel doesn't pass --dracut to /sbin/new-kernel-pkg, so a
make install from a kernel.org kernel tree tries to
invoke /sbin/mkinitrd rather than dracut.  Is that intentional?

Also, any ideas on why a dracut-generated initramfs image generated for
a kernel.org kernel tree would be so much larger than the Fedora kernel
one (same .config)?

12M /boot/initramfs-2.6.31.1-56.fc12.x86_64.img
82M /boot/initramfs-2.6.32-rc2.img

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Re: Fedora 12 Blocker Bug Meeting #1 :: 2009-10-23 @ 15:00 UTC (11 AM EDT)

2009-10-22 Thread James Laska
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 08:47 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
 2009/10/21 John Poelstra poels...@redhat.com:
  520750 - PackageKit - ASSIGNED  - Software Update windows checks for update
  does not stop ..
 
 This has been reported by one person (no dupes), and I'm still waiting
 for more information. I suspect it's actually a hardware problem or
 file-system corruption on the reporters computer. Basically, I don't
 think this should be a blocker.

Richard: Btw ... thanks for this feedback ahead of the meeting.  With
such a large list to review, it's extremely helpful when folks review
their bugs ahead of time.  We do our best to collaboratively review the
bugs real-time.  But having feedback from the maintainers and/or people
experiencing the bug helps speed up the process.  

If you've got a spare minute waiting on a build ... take a look at the
list of bugs:

 1. Respond to the announcement with your $0.02 as Richard has done
 2. Alternatively, update the bz with your thoughts
  * Is the severity appropriate?
  * Is there a workaround?
  * What impact does the presence of this failure have on
users?
  * What is your favorite color?
 3. As always, in a constructive manner, tell us how we can improve
this process -

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_talk:Poelstra/blocker_bug_meeting_sop
 
Thanks,
James


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Re: extracting multiple sources in %setup

2009-10-22 Thread Mat Booth
2009/10/22 Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com:
 On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 3:46 AM, Marcus Moeller wrote:
 Hi,

 is there a way to extract multiple sources in a spec files %setup section?

 Something like:

 for i in {1..10}; do tar xfz %(SOURCE$i}; done

 Best Regards
 Marcus


 %setup -q -c -n %{name} -a 0 -a 1 -a 2 -a 3 -a 4 -a 5 -a 6 -a 7 -a 8 -a 9 -a 
 10

 should work. I don't if there's any nicer way.

 Orcan


It's also perfectly acceptable to call the %setup macro more than
once, if you need to.

There is some stuff in Max RPM about it:

http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/s1-rpm-inside-macros.html#S3-RPM-INSIDE-SETUP-MULTI-SOURCE

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Orphan Package: system-config-cluster (was Re: Simplify non-responsive maintainers policy Part 2)

2009-10-22 Thread Steven Whitehouse
Hi,

On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 11:10 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:11:37AM +0100, Steven Whitehouse wrote:
  Hi,
  
  Jim Parsons left Red Hat a little while back and the only contact
  details I have is his Red Hat email address, which is of course no
  longer valid. I've opened a bugzilla #530027 as per the unresponsive
  maintainer procedure, but I was hoping to be able to skip the section
  regarding sending of messages since there seems little point sending to
  an email address which I know (and which other Red Hat employees can
  easily verify) will not be answered.
  
  Instead I've emailed the one other person who had access to that package
  and that has also gone unanswered (see the bugzilla).
  
  There are a number of outstanding bugs filed against
  system-config-cluster (including the fact that it seems that it has not
  passed an initial review) which I've listed out in the bugzilla.
  
  I would like to either fix (or preferably just remove) this package as
  it creates configs for GFS2 which are incorrect and is thus causing
  confusion to all who attempt to use it.
  
  Therefore this is my formal request to become maintainer of this
  package,
  
 I've talked to FESCo people on IRC and after some discussion I've gone ahead
 and reassigned ownership.  Since people seem to like this, if you don't want
 to maintain and fix this package, please go through the orphan process
 rather than just retiring it.
 
Ok. Thanks, I'll do my best to do the right thing here...

To clarify some issues which came up during the discussions here, which
have also been discussed by the cluster team, here are a few more notes
on the topic.

system-config-cluster is currently dead as an upstream project. If
someone wants to take over the fedora package, then they will first have
to take over the upstream side of things too.

According to the instructions on the wiki, the correct procedure for
such packages is to retire them rather than orphan them (as per
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Orphaned_package_that_need_new_maintainers) 
although confusingly that page doesn't either point to or describe the retiring 
process (it seems to be only mentioned here: 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/PackageEndOfLife so far as I 
can see).

Now taking into account the comments above, what I propose is to have a
period of time in which we see if someone else will take on the package,
and if not, I'll retire it.

So here, for the first time of asking, is a request to see if anybody
will take on the upstream maintenance of system-config-cluster.

I have also discovered some further information about Conga (the
preferred solution to GUI cluster configuration) and why it is now
preferred. Some time ago an investigation was undertaken to try and
gauge the usage of s-c-c and Conga and it was found that Conga had a
larger user base. It also seemed that maintaining two tools to perform
(largely) the same job was not a sensible use of development  test
time.

Now there were also some comments about Conga relating to the more
complicated set up, however the Conga team have actively been working on
solving some of those issues and the latest versions are (I understand)
improved in this area. The team however are actively looking for further
suggestions, so if anybody has any ideas, please open a bugzilla against
Conga and let them know.

So I hope that goes some way towards addressing the concerns of people
who are worried about the loss of this system-config-cluster package.

Lastly, thanks for helping me sort out all the issues surrounding this
package. It is very much appreciated,

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Re: F12 media-less installer totally broken

2009-10-22 Thread Chris Lumens
 - Put the iso on a ntfs partition
 - Put the vmlinuz+initrd.img in F11's grub .. and boot into the installer,
 pointing it to install from HDD
 - The installer cannot pickup the iso

Yeah this probably won't work because of the NTFSness, but what's the
exact error message?  What does the log on tty3 look like?

 - As an alternate I copied the iso to a server, and NFS shared its folder
 - I reboot the installer, point it to nfs .. again it fails to start
 anaconda

What's the exact error message?  What's the log on tty3 look like?

 - Third trial .. on that server I loop mount the iso on /opt and NFS share
 that
 - Boot installer, it tried to mount server:/opt/images (which fails!) (only
 /opt is shared)

What, like you're not exporting the subtree?  You need to do that -
anaconda needs to access tree/images/install.img to be able to
proceed.  Again, what's the log on tty3 look like?

 - Fourth trial: I expand the iso image completely on disk into a new
 directory, boot into the installer pointing it at that
 - Installer finally picks up, anaconda starts .. I click next a few times,
 partition and format my disk, then an error message mentions cannot load
 image #1, please insert the CD and try again ... arrgh

Yet again, what do the log files look like?  Show me /tmp/anaconda.log,
/tmp/storage.log, and /tmp/syslog.

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Re: Upload debug-like-info to Mozilla servers every update

2009-10-22 Thread Jan Horak

On 10/14/2009 03:40 PM, Colin Walters wrote:

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Jan Horakjho...@redhat.com  wrote:
   


Mozilla prefers using their own system in this case. It has some pros, like
user don't have to download debug packages (which is approx 80MB for each
package). Building the symbols for Mozilla is also quite easy. They have
everything prepared in their makefiles and their debug info is just one zip
file. All we need is to put this zip file somewhere that mozilla could pull
it (or we push it after package is released). This zip file should be left
aside from regular rpm package (read unpublished).
 

In that case I'd just make the mozilla spec file to put the .zip in
the -debuginfo package.  Then their crash handling code just needs to
get the built RPM NVRA (it should probably be compiled in, but forking
a rpm -q could work I guess), and their server side can fairly
easily script a wget
http://download.fedoraproject.org/.../mozilla-debuginfo-12345.rpm;.

   
After more discussion on Mozilla bugzilla the Mozilla would prefer to 
give us an account to their crash-stat system and let us upload the 
mentioned zip file after each released update. The scp is used to upload 
debug symbols. However this require storage of private key which 
shouldn't be exposed to public. Is there any way to launch such 
operation and also keep the private key unpublished? I can provide 
complete script which will extract zip file from rpm files and upload 
them to Mozilla by using scp.

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Re: Unreadable binaries

2009-10-22 Thread Stephen Smalley
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 09:48 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
 On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 11:04 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
  $ ll /usr/libexec/pt_chown 
  -rws--x--x 1 root root 28418 2009-09-28 13:42 /usr/libexec/pt_chown
  $ ll /usr/bin/chsh 
  -rws--x--x 1 root root 18072 2009-10-05 16:28 /usr/bin/chsh
  
  What is the purpose of making binaries like these unreadable?
  
  Originally I thought it was something to do with them being setuid,
  but there are counterexamples:
  
  $ ll /usr/bin/passwd 
  -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 25336 2009-09-14 13:14 /usr/bin/passwd
 
 Historically, the kernel considers read permission on a binary to be a
 prerequisite for generating core dumps on fatal signal; which you
 typically want to prevent, since that becomes a way to read /etc/shadow.
 
 Pretty sure that's still the case, which means any u+s binaries with
 group/other read permission are bugs.

dumpable flag gets cleared for suid/sgid binaries (as well as for
non-readable binaries).

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F-12 Beta Blocker Meeting 2009-10-21 @ 15:00 UTC (11 AM EDT) - Recap

2009-10-22 Thread James Laska

#fedora-bugzappers: F-12-Blocker bug review (part#1)



Meeting started by jlaska at 15:01:09 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2009-10-21/fedora-bugzappers.2009-10-21-15.01.log.html
.

Meeting summary
---
* gathering  (jlaska, 15:01:27)
  * Walking through a sorted by-component list of F12Blocker bugs --
http://tinyurl.com/yk9wehr  (jlaska, 15:05:14)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=514000  (jlaska, 15:07:53)
  * AGREED: Reported problem in 514000 is now resolved.  This can be
remove from blocker list.  Any other issues should be filed as new
bugs  (jlaska, 15:13:53)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=529225  (jlaska, 15:14:07)
  * HELP: Can smolt provide a list of systems when searching by
sybsystem PCI ID's (i.e. 17aa:20f2)  (jlaska, 15:20:47)
  * AGREED: 529225 needs triage or devel review before we can add as a
F12Blocker  (jlaska, 15:21:16)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=466377  (jlaska, 15:21:48)
  * possibly further isolate the segfault to obtain a backtrace
(jlaska, 15:27:29)
  * needs clarification as to whether the boot volume is low ... or
sound doesn't work at all  (jlaska, 15:29:08)
  * AGREED: 466377 not a blocker bug  (jlaska, 15:29:51)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=523768  (jlaska, 15:29:57)
  * no indications that this affects a *lot* of users  (jlaska,
15:33:03)
  * AGREED: remove 523768 from the blocker list  (jlaska, 15:33:20)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=493058  (jlaska, 15:33:52)
  * AGREED: keep 493058 on the blocker list  (jlaska, 15:38:05)
  * AGREED: move 493058 back to ASSIGNED and request retesting against
Beta  (jlaska, 15:38:16)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=503149  (jlaska, 15:38:36)
  * AGREED: 503149 not a release blocker ... workaround exists  (jlaska,
15:40:26)
  * workaround noted in
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=503149#c11  (jlaska,
15:40:42)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=506013  (jlaska, 15:40:55)
  * AGREED: 506013 remains on the blocker list.  (jlaska, 15:46:07)
  * AGREED: 506013 patches are included in F-12-Beta ... needs retesting
(jlaska, 15:46:17)
  * if Connor's issue remains, it will be filed as a new bug  (jlaska,
15:46:37)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=515441  (jlaska, 15:46:45)
  * triggered by providing incorrect NFS server:/path, and attempting to
recover  (jlaska, 15:50:06)
  * AGREED: 515441 remains on the blocker list.  Needs retesting to
confirm problem is resolved.  (jlaska, 15:51:03)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=517260  (jlaska, 15:51:10)
  * this is specific to any USB live install's where the USB stick has
more than 1 partition  (jlaska, 15:52:12)
  * AGREED: 517260 remains on the list.  Verification of fix against
anaconda-12.39 needed.  (jlaska, 15:53:21)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=517491  (jlaska, 15:53:28)
  * Current shrink test case -

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Anaconda_autopart_(shrink)_install
(jlaska, 15:58:20)
  * AGREED: 517491 remains on the list.  Awaiting additional
clarification as to whether reported failure match the assessment of
the problem.  (jlaska, 16:00:48)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=524168  (jlaska, 16:00:53)
  * AGREED: 524168 remains on the list ... awaiting verification from
reporter  (jlaska, 16:04:26)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=525924  (jlaska, 16:04:43)
  * Liam tested this issue overnight and confirmed that the reported
problem is fixed  (jlaska, 16:06:00)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526549  (jlaska, 16:06:52)
  * AGREED: 526549 remains on the list ... awaiting retest and a patch
against autoqa/rats_install.py  (jlaska, 16:09:53)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526697  (jlaska, 16:10:11)
  * LINK: http://bugzilla.laska.org/   (adamw, 16:12:42)
  * AGREED: 526697 makes edits on existing partitions really unpleasant
... remains on the blocker list, awaiting retesting by jlaska
(jlaska, 16:13:38)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526699  (jlaska, 16:14:52)
  * AGREED: 526699 remains on the blocker list ... additional patch
work/review in progress on anaconda-devel-list  (jlaska, 16:18:34)
  * LINK: http://tinyurl.com/yk9wehr   (cwickert, 16:21:05)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=527258  (adamw, 16:21:27)
  * ACTION: jlaska needs to retest several bugs  (jlaska, 16:22:26)
  * AGREED: 527258 stays as blocker, needs retesting from jlaska
(adamw, 16:24:03)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=527520  (adamw, 16:24:14)
  * having one of our official spins boot to text mode on a default
install is Not Good :)  (jlaska, 16:25:42)
  * 

Fedora Test Day Summary - Confined Users

2009-10-22 Thread Eduard Benes
Greetings!

This Tuesday was the Confined Users Test Day / FitFinish [1] (TD/FF).
Though we expected higher attendance, the results are really valuable.
The most valuable outcome of a test day could be a fact that we should 
bring more attention/people to using/testing SELinux policy and related
tools.

Thanks to all who participated and helped with the organization, 
especially to Dan Walsh who promptly started to resolve reported bugs 
and already fixed some important issues.

Following bugs were reported during the TD/FF by the participants:

ID   Summary
529873  Openswan/pluto - AVC denials when starting the ipsec service
529870  SELinux is preventing /usr/bin/python getattr access on 
/home/jlaska/.gvfs.
529871  SELinux is preventing /usr/bin/python connectto access on 
/var/run/nscd/socket.
529758  SELinux is preventing /usr/sbin/sendmail.sendmail module_request 
access.
529803  Your system may be seriously compromised! /usr/sbin/nscd attempted to 
mmap low kernel memory.
529606  SELinux is preventing /usr/sbin/modem-manager read write access to 
device noz0.
529738  SELinux is preventing /lib64/dbus-1/dbus-daemon-launch-helper execute 
access on /usr/sbin/abrtd.
529827  guest_u user not able to run ps
529830  SELinux failed to limit the authority of execute of user_u
529903  SELinux is preventing bash create access.
529911  SELinux is preventing nautilus read write access on sr0.
529916  AVCs with confined mailuser sending e-mail
529933  SELinux is preventing /usr/sbin/abrtd setattr access on .abrt.
529934  SELinux is preventing /usr/sbin/abrtd write access on /root.
529951  SELinux is preventing the /bin/loadkeys from using potentially 
mislabeled files (Documents).
529953  hp cups selinux denial
529961  SELinux is preventing /usr/sbin/abrtd read access on Bugzilla.conf. 

Have a nice day, 

/Eduard 


[1] - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-10-20
[2] - 
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/selinux-user-guide/f10/en-US/sect-Security-Enhanced_Linux-Targeted_Policy-Confined_and_Unconfined_Users.html
[3] - 
http://magazine.redhat.com/2008/07/02/writing-policy-for-confined-selinux-users/

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Re: Fedora 12 Beta

2009-10-22 Thread Mike McGrath
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Adam Williamson wrote:

 On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 17:08 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
  On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Adam Williamson wrote:
 
   On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 12:31 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
Hi,
   
I just installed F12 Beta. Here are some thoughts
   
1 - during the first boot smolt panicked - there was an error related
to time zones in python-sitepackages or something like that.
  
   Could you try to reproduce and provide more precise details on the
   error? There's not a lot we can do with that level of detail.
  
 
  The smolt firstboot thing is already fixed, just didn't make it in time
  for the beta, my bad.

 Is there a bug report I can reference so I can add this to the Common
 Bugs page with a reasonable level of detail?


I don't remember if a bug got opened for that one or not, basically when
firstboot loads the smolt module fails so it doesn't load.  It's
attempting to import a deprecated library that doesn't exist.  It doesn't
actually prevent any functionality other then users don't get prompted to
enable smolt.  Firstboot continues as normal with license, create user,
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Status of multiseat feature

2009-10-22 Thread Linus Walleij
Is anyone actively working on multiseat?
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Multiseat

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Re: Simplify non-responsive maintainers policy Part 2

2009-10-22 Thread Jesse Keating
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 11:16 +0200, Till Maas wrote:
 What kind of checks do you mean? If maintainers want to keep their
 packages, they can just change the owner of the package to their new
 private account before leaving Red Hat. 

That assumes the maintainer knows they're leaving Red Hat ahead of time.

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The future of rawhide (was [Fwd: Re: What is the Fedora Project?])

2009-10-22 Thread Jesse Keating
Hi all.  It has been brought to my attention that my description of my
future vision of rawhide as explained here is much clearer than previous
attempts (including the current no frozen rawhide wiki page).  So I
felt it prudent to forward it along to the devel list for more eyes to
look upon it and comment if desired.

Thanks!

 Forwarded Message 
From: Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com
Reply-to: fedora-advisory-bo...@redhat.com
To: fedora-advisory-bo...@redhat.com
Subject: Re: What is the Fedora Project?
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:58:08 -0700

On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 20:35 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
  I've heard a bit of preliminary rumbling about DSCM-like Rawhides -- a
  way for developers to have trees that move at their pace, and are
  possibly quite broken from time to time in ways that differ from each
  other.  If we were able to develop such a scenario, why not also
  provide the flipside of this idea -- make the One True Rawhide the
  place where we take in changes that don't break the world, while
  they're cobbled on in the other trees?  Whether this is an extension
  of the KoPeR idea or something entirely difficult, it merits serious
  consideration.
  
  I very much like the aspect of the more stable rawhide here.
 
 Jesse Keating brought up some concerns about integration, but aren't
 those concerns something that people would be interested in solving?
 (I'm assuming those people are the wide variety of engineers working
 in the Fedora community who are smarter than I.)
 
 

So my plans are really funny.  I plan to make rawhide more unstable more
of the time, and I plan to make rawhide more stable more of the time.
Crazy eh?  How can I do this?  By splitting rawhide in two.

Rawhide as we know it, /pub/fedora/linux/releases/development/ will
remain rawhide.  We may even change the path to say rawhide, just to
catch things up and well I like keeping mirrors on their toes.  Rawhide
will be a repository of developmental and experimental packages.  Things
being worked on for the future.  It will /not/ be an installable tree,
rather it will just be a repository of packages, to be added on to an
already stable base, eg you'd install F12, and enable rawhide to test
rawhide.  This will significantly lower the complaints that rawhide
isn't installable.

The second face of rawhide, will be the pending release, that is when
it comes time to feature freeze a release, we'll split it away from
rawhide.  We'll publish to /pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/13-pending/
or some such.  THIS tree will be installable.  It will be composed each
night, and we'll use bodhi to manage updates to this tree.  That means
this tree will have it's own updates testing where potential freeze
breaks can be tested and commented on by all, but won't risk the base
tree.  If testing pans out, it'll get tagged for the release, if not
it'll get thrown away.  This tree will spawn 13-Alpha, 13-Beta, the
snapshots in between, and eventually pub/fedora/linux/releases/13.

Remember that first rawhide?  Yeah, it kept going, unfrozen, leaping
toward Fedora 14.  You could still install 13-Alpha, or 13-pending, and
enable/update to rawhide to start testing Fedora 14 stuff.

What does this accomplish?  It provides a very easy release valve.
Instead of closing the valve and building up pressure while we freeze,
and tempting people to push things into our pending release that really
don't belong, we'll provide them a normal, never ending release of
pressure, called rawhide.  You can always find the latest stuff in
rawhide, there is nothing newer (unless we make KoPeRs happen).  We
don't have to worry about rawhide being installable.  We don't have to
worry about people dumping highly experimental or developmental stuff in
our pending release.  We don't have to worry about the giant pile of
builds for the next release building up while we polish the pending
release.  We don't have to worry about the giant pile of 0-day updates
building up while we polish the pending release, as we'll be pushing
these updates as we go.

This is my vision on how to accomplish both a always active development
stream, and a more stable pending release stream, keeping everybody
happy.  Want to help?  I'll be at FUDCon Toronto discussing roadblocks
to this vision and discussing why this vision sucks if anybody thinks
that it does.  Or just find me on IRC/email if you want to chat about
it.

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Re: Status of multiseat feature

2009-10-22 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 18:20 +0200, Linus Walleij wrote:
 Is anyone actively working on multiseat?
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Multiseat

The necessary infrastructure for multiseat is (slowly) being developed
in ConsoleKit and gdm branches upstream.


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Re: The future of rawhide (was [Fwd: Re: What is the Fedora Project?])

2009-10-22 Thread Jon Masters
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 09:50 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:

 This is my vision on how to accomplish both a always active development
 stream, and a more stable pending release stream, keeping everybody
 happy.  Want to help?  I'll be at FUDCon Toronto discussing roadblocks
 to this vision and discussing why this vision sucks if anybody thinks
 that it does.  Or just find me on IRC/email if you want to chat about
 it.

Not a bad idea. In all honesty, I find rawhide is rarely fully
installable out of the box anyway...this isn't a grumble! I think it's
better to embrace reality and have multiple trees, though I am
interested in whether that pending release couldn't also one day have a
counterpart that had more longevity - a testing release (not the same
as the testing that we currently have through updates) :)

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Re: Unreadable binaries

2009-10-22 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 09:59:00AM -0400, Stephen Smalley wrote:
 On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 09:48 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
  On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 11:04 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
   $ ll /usr/libexec/pt_chown 
   -rws--x--x 1 root root 28418 2009-09-28 13:42 /usr/libexec/pt_chown
   $ ll /usr/bin/chsh 
   -rws--x--x 1 root root 18072 2009-10-05 16:28 /usr/bin/chsh
   
   What is the purpose of making binaries like these unreadable?
   
   Originally I thought it was something to do with them being setuid,
   but there are counterexamples:
   
   $ ll /usr/bin/passwd 
   -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 25336 2009-09-14 13:14 /usr/bin/passwd
  
  Historically, the kernel considers read permission on a binary to be a
  prerequisite for generating core dumps on fatal signal; which you
  typically want to prevent, since that becomes a way to read /etc/shadow.
  
  Pretty sure that's still the case, which means any u+s binaries with
  group/other read permission are bugs.
 
 dumpable flag gets cleared for suid/sgid binaries (as well as for
 non-readable binaries).

Stephen, what would be your advice if I asked for these binaries to
become readable by non-root users?

[It's not crucial at the moment, however, just reduces the
effectiveness of febootstrap a little]

Rich.

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Fedora with Universal Binaries?

2009-10-22 Thread King InuYasha
Hello,
I just saw this article about an effort to create Universal binary style ELF
binaries for Linux, and I thought that this would be something to watch, so
that Fedora could integrate both x86-32 and x86-64 into single DVD sets.

http://icculus.org/fatelf/

There is even a proof of concept VM of Ubuntu 9.04 that has both 32-bit and
64-bit kernels and all the apps compiled as FatELF binaries
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Re: Fedora with Universal Binaries?

2009-10-22 Thread Jon Masters
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 12:28 -0500, King InuYasha wrote:


 http://icculus.org/fatelf/
 
 
 There is even a proof of concept VM of Ubuntu 9.04 that has both
 32-bit and 64-bit kernels and all the apps compiled as FatELF binaries

Except, they're not really ELF binaries. ELF doesn't allow you to do
both at the same time in the headers, so this adds a new header and is
essentially an encapsulation for other ELF files. Thus, a kernel patch
is required and it would be some time before all kernels supported it.
I'm not against the notion of this...but I think some of the usual
suspects need to get involved in standardizing such an ELF hack.

(You might be able to do something with binfmt_misc as a hack)

Jon.


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Re: rawhide report: 20091022 changes

2009-10-22 Thread Quentin Armitage
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 13:06 +, Rawhide Report wrote:

 Compose started at Thu Oct 22 06:15:12 UTC 2009
 
 Broken deps for i386
 --
   openscada-visStation-0.6.4-3.fc12.i686 requires 
 openscada-Special-FlibSYS
 
 
 Updated Packages:
 
 xorg-x11-proto-devel-7.4-34.fc12
 
 * Tue Oct 13 2009 Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com 7.4-34
 - kbproto 1.0.4
 - xf86miscproto 0.9.3
 - xproxymanagementprotocol 1.0.3
 
 * Tue Oct 06 2009 Peter Hutterer peter.hutte...@redhat.com 7.4-32
 - compositeproto 0.4.1
 - xf86dgaproto 2.1
 - dmxproto 2.3
 - inputproto 2.0
 - fixesproto 4.1.1
 - randrproto 1.3.1
 - recordproto 1.14
 - xf86vidmodeproto 2.3
 - xineramaproto 1.2
 - xproto 7.0.16
 
 * Tue Oct 06 2009 Peter Hutterer peter.hutte...@redhat.com 7.4-33
 - Upload xf86dgaproto 2.1 tarball, this time for real.
 
 

but yum update xorg-x11-proto-devel reports:
[r...@samson yum-update]# yum update
Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin, dellsysidplugin2, refresh-packagekit
Setting up Update Process
Resolving Dependencies
-- Running transaction check
--- Package xorg-x11-proto-devel.noarch 0:7.4-34.fc12 set to be updated
-- Processing Conflict: xorg-x11-proto-devel-7.4-34.fc12.noarch
conflicts libXxf86dga-devel  1.1
-- Finished Dependency Resolution
xorg-x11-proto-devel-7.4-34.fc12.noarch from rawhide has depsolving
problems
  -- xorg-x11-proto-devel conflicts with libXxf86dga-devel
Error: xorg-x11-proto-devel conflicts with libXxf86dga-devel
 You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem
 You could try running: package-cleanup --problems
package-cleanup --dupes
rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest

Should the Rawhide report have identified this as a broken dependency?

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Re: the mass rebuild and i586 rpms?

2009-10-22 Thread Quentin Armitage
On Mon, 2009-10-19 at 20:20 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 I thought with the mass rebuild the i586 rpms were suppose to be gone
 but it seems the F-12 repository still has quite a few of them. Are
 the old packages that should have been blocked, ones that's that
 weren't rebuilt for some reason or something that I've just missed?
 
 Peter
 

I did some work a week or two ago to see what was behind some of the
packages a couple of weeks ago, and it is summarised below. Not only is
there an issue with the i586 packages, but also a number of noarch
packages.

Point 5 below categories the apparent reason for the packages not having
been rebuilt, and it appears possible that out of the 185 packages that
have not been rebuilt, 95 might build successfully if just submitted for
rebuilding.

I was looking at the need-rebuild.py script, and have a few
comments/questions (apologies if my terminology is incorrect - this area
is new to me).

1. Is the script that is run and produces the output at
http://jkeating.fedorapeople.org/needed-f12-rebuilds.html actually the
script referred to at the bottom of that page
(https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/browser/scripts) ? The reason I ask is
that when I run the script, I get 

Included Koji instances:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/kojihub
http://sparc.koji.fedoraproject.org/kojihub
http://s390.koji.fedoraproject.org/kojihub
http://arm.koji.fedoraproject.org/kojihub

whereas the posted output only has
Included Koji instances:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/kojihub
http://sparc.koji.fedoraproject.org/kojihub

2. If the script is run against just koji.fedoraproject,org/kojihub
(i.e. without the sub arches), it says 185 packages need
rebuilding (instead of the 175 listed in the report); the following
10 packages are omitted when the sparc koji hub is also included:
gmpc
HippoDraw
itcl
latex2rtf
prtconf
PyKDE 
python-igraph
silo
spicebird
xorg-x11-drv-sunffb

This is caused by line 117 of the script:
unbuilt = unbuilt  unbuiltnew
so if a package needs to be rebuilt on the primary arch, but not on the
(in this case sparc) secondary arch, then it is dropped from needing to
be rebuilt (it appears that a package will only be listed if it needs
to be rebuild on every arch). There are several circumstances where this
can happen (with the 10 missing packages listed):

Built on sub arch but failed on primary arch

gmpc - 0.18.0-1 build on sparc after epoch but 0.18.0-2 failed on koji
HippoDraw
itcl
latex2rtf
python-igraph

Not a primary arch package (should the package be blocked in the primary
arch kojihub?)
==
prtconf
silo
xorg-x11-drv-sunffb

Blocked on secondary arch (so not included in unbuiltnew)
=
spicebird

Built on sub arch but not submitted for rebuild on primary arch

PyKDE

Package does not exist in secondary arch (no example)
=

Would it be more relevant to list what needs to be rebuild separately
for each arch (but see point 3 below)?

3. So far as I can see, there have not been mass rebuilds on the
secondary arches, so is it relevant to search them for successful builds
since the epoch? If it is relevant, they would appear to have different
epochs in any case.

4. On the sparc (and other sub arches) kojihubs, there can be builds
without a task, but the build itself can have a tag dist-f12 (see 
http://arm.koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=19567 for
example). Can that tag be safely used for checking if the build had a
particular tag, rather than having to look at a task? Currrently the
script can call getTaskInfo with a taskID of None, which is the cause of
getTaskInfo returning a request with len  1, since that response is an
error message for requesting TaskInfo with a task id of None.

5. I have looked at the 185 packages that have not been rebuilt, and the
reasons fall into the following categories (details for each package are
listed later):
1. Not submitted for rebuild (65)
2. Mock exited with status 10 (7)
3. Mock exited with status 30 (23)
4. No build on dist-12/dist-f12-rebuild/dist-f12-updates-candidate (6)
5. Build cancelled (1)
6. Mock exited with status 1 (83)

I'm wondering if (re)submitting the packages in categories 1, 3, 4 and 5
might result in the majority being successfully built, possibly halving
the number of packages that would then still need to be rebuilt.

I have made some changes to need-rebuild.py to produce some of the
information above, and am happy to provide them if they are of any
interest.



Not submitted for rebuild (65)
==
OpenEXR_CTL 
OpenEXR_Viewers
PerceptualDiff
Perlbal
Pixie
Pound
PyAmanith
PyKDE
PyQuante
PySBIG
PySolFC
PySolFC-cardsets
aboot
ccss
django-typepad
eclipse-setools
education-bookmarks
elilo
eqntott
fonts-hebrew-fancy
gdata-sharp
gnome-globalmenu
icoutils

Re: Fedora with Universal Binaries?

2009-10-22 Thread Jochen Schmitt
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Am 22.10.2009 19:38, schrieb Jon Masters:
 Except, they're not really ELF binaries. ELF doesn't allow you to do
 both at the same time in the headers, so this adds a new header and is
 essentially an encapsulation for other ELF files. Thus, a kernel patch
 is required and it would be some time before all kernels supported it.
 I'm not against the notion of this...but I think some of the usual
 suspects need to get involved in standardizing such an ELF hack.

 (You might be able to do something with binfmt_misc as a hack)

 Jon.

Creating FatELF binaries doesn't solve any x86_64 related issues.

For example:

Old releases of blender was not able to creates proper .blend files
when the
binary was compiled for x86_64. In this case the created files was not
usable
on the x86_32 release.

Best Regards:

Jochen Schmitt
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Re: Fedora with Universal Binaries?

2009-10-22 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 19:43 +0200, Jochen Schmitt wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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 Am 22.10.2009 19:38, schrieb Jon Masters:
  Except, they're not really ELF binaries. ELF doesn't allow you to do
  both at the same time in the headers, so this adds a new header and is
  essentially an encapsulation for other ELF files. Thus, a kernel patch
  is required and it would be some time before all kernels supported it.
  I'm not against the notion of this...but I think some of the usual
  suspects need to get involved in standardizing such an ELF hack.
 
  (You might be able to do something with binfmt_misc as a hack)
 
  Jon.
 
 Creating FatELF binaries doesn't solve any x86_64 related issues.
 
 For example:
 
 Old releases of blender was not able to creates proper .blend files
 when the
 binary was compiled for x86_64. In this case the created files was not
 usable
 on the x86_32 release.

That's just a cross-platform compat issue.  People had issues like that
for years porting between Mac and Windows with different type sizes and
endianness.  Without and direct knowledge of the problem, that sounds
like somebody forgot to either (a) use an inherently cross-platform file
format like XML, or (b) forgot to write sane file format encode/decode
routines that were cross-platform clean, or (c) included executable code
in the file format specification (which is pretty stupid).  Or?

We'd expect a program built on any platform to save/load a specific file
format written by that same program built on any other platform.
Otherwise that program is just broken.

Dan
 

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Re: The future of rawhide (was [Fwd: Re: What is the Fedora Project?])

2009-10-22 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 09:50 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
 Hi all.  It has been brought to my attention that my description of my
 future vision of rawhide as explained here is much clearer than previous
 attempts (including the current no frozen rawhide wiki page).  So I
 felt it prudent to forward it along to the devel list for more eyes to
 look upon it and comment if desired.
 
 Thanks!
 
  Forwarded Message 
 From: Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com
 Reply-to: fedora-advisory-bo...@redhat.com
 To: fedora-advisory-bo...@redhat.com
 Subject: Re: What is the Fedora Project?
 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:58:08 -0700
 
 On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 20:35 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
   I've heard a bit of preliminary rumbling about DSCM-like Rawhides -- a
   way for developers to have trees that move at their pace, and are
   possibly quite broken from time to time in ways that differ from each
   other.  If we were able to develop such a scenario, why not also
   provide the flipside of this idea -- make the One True Rawhide the
   place where we take in changes that don't break the world, while
   they're cobbled on in the other trees?  Whether this is an extension
   of the KoPeR idea or something entirely difficult, it merits serious
   consideration.
   
   I very much like the aspect of the more stable rawhide here.
  
  Jesse Keating brought up some concerns about integration, but aren't
  those concerns something that people would be interested in solving?
  (I'm assuming those people are the wide variety of engineers working
  in the Fedora community who are smarter than I.)
  
  
 
 So my plans are really funny.  I plan to make rawhide more unstable more
 of the time, and I plan to make rawhide more stable more of the time.
 Crazy eh?  How can I do this?  By splitting rawhide in two.
 
 Rawhide as we know it, /pub/fedora/linux/releases/development/ will
 remain rawhide.  We may even change the path to say rawhide, just to
 catch things up and well I like keeping mirrors on their toes.  Rawhide
 will be a repository of developmental and experimental packages.  Things
 being worked on for the future.  It will /not/ be an installable tree,
 rather it will just be a repository of packages, to be added on to an
 already stable base, eg you'd install F12, and enable rawhide to test
 rawhide.  This will significantly lower the complaints that rawhide
 isn't installable.
 
 The second face of rawhide, will be the pending release, that is when
 it comes time to feature freeze a release, we'll split it away from
 rawhide.  We'll publish to /pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/13-pending/
 or some such.  THIS tree will be installable.  It will be composed each
 night, and we'll use bodhi to manage updates to this tree.  That means
 this tree will have it's own updates testing where potential freeze
 breaks can be tested and commented on by all, but won't risk the base
 tree.  If testing pans out, it'll get tagged for the release, if not
 it'll get thrown away.  This tree will spawn 13-Alpha, 13-Beta, the
 snapshots in between, and eventually pub/fedora/linux/releases/13.
 
 Remember that first rawhide?  Yeah, it kept going, unfrozen, leaping
 toward Fedora 14.  You could still install 13-Alpha, or 13-pending, and
 enable/update to rawhide to start testing Fedora 14 stuff.

So to make this a reality, we need to ensure that whatever is in rawhide
has a *=* ENVR than anything in the other trees.  So I assume that when
submitting a bodhi update, bodhi would check rawhide and ensure that
whatever you were about to submit to 13-pending was = whatever was in
rawhide.  Otherwise we'd get into a great big mess of not being able to
update to rawhide packages because whatever was in 13-pending was
'newer' than rawhide.  Right?

We should have this anyway just to help upgradability between distros;
bodhi should not allow a package to be added to an update if it's a
newer ENVR than that same package in any of the newer distros.

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Re: Fedora with Universal Binaries?

2009-10-22 Thread Kevin Kofler
King InuYasha wrote:
 I just saw this article about an effort to create Universal binary style
 ELF binaries for Linux, and I thought that this would be something to
 watch, so that Fedora could integrate both x86-32 and x86-64 into single
 DVD sets.
 
 http://icculus.org/fatelf/

Yuck!!! Please don't infect GNU/Linux with this completely braindead crap! 
This wastes a lot of disk space and download bandwidth and probably also 
increases loading times for NO reason whatsoever. It also doubles the build 
times for any and all software. Just figure out what arch your machine is 
and install the correct package for your arch! Fat binaries are a method to 
make crappy binary-only software distribution easier, they have no room on a 
Free Software system. Let the Mac folks keep their fat crap and leave our 
binaries as native for the appropriate arch!

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Re: The future of rawhide (was [Fwd: Re: What is the Fedora Project?])

2009-10-22 Thread Jesse Keating
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 10:55 -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
 So to make this a reality, we need to ensure that whatever is in rawhide
 has a *=* ENVR than anything in the other trees.  So I assume that when
 submitting a bodhi update, bodhi would check rawhide and ensure that
 whatever you were about to submit to 13-pending was = whatever was in
 rawhide.  Otherwise we'd get into a great big mess of not being able to
 update to rawhide packages because whatever was in 13-pending was
 'newer' than rawhide.  Right?
 
 We should have this anyway just to help upgradability between distros;
 bodhi should not allow a package to be added to an update if it's a
 newer ENVR than that same package in any of the newer distros. 

Yes, but it may happen before the bodhi stage, when we get autoqa
working on post-build tests.  This kind of check could happen at SCM
commit time, package build time, or finally bodhi push time.  Seems
reasonable that we'd want to catch it as early as possible, but that
does force people to work on rawhide first, then work on the pending
release which may be under critical time pressure.  Certainly something
to discuss.  Catching it at bodhi time seems too late.

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Re: rawhide report: 20091022 changes

2009-10-22 Thread Kevin Kofler
Quentin Armitage wrote:
 Error: xorg-x11-proto-devel conflicts with libXxf86dga-devel
[snip]
 Should the Rawhide report have identified this as a broken dependency?

No. The Rawhide report only lists unresolvable dependencies, not conflicts.

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Re: Fedora with Universal Binaries?

2009-10-22 Thread King InuYasha
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.atwrote:

 King InuYasha wrote:
  I just saw this article about an effort to create Universal binary style
  ELF binaries for Linux, and I thought that this would be something to
  watch, so that Fedora could integrate both x86-32 and x86-64 into single
  DVD sets.
 
  http://icculus.org/fatelf/

 Yuck!!! Please don't infect GNU/Linux with this completely braindead crap!
 This wastes a lot of disk space and download bandwidth and probably also
 increases loading times for NO reason whatsoever. It also doubles the build
 times for any and all software. Just figure out what arch your machine is
 and install the correct package for your arch! Fat binaries are a method to
 make crappy binary-only software distribution easier, they have no room on
 a
 Free Software system. Let the Mac folks keep their fat crap and leave our
 binaries as native for the appropriate arch!

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I dunno, it could be useful for Live CDs/USBs. It would let you pack
multiple arches onto a single LiveCD/USB.

You sound like one of those crazy people that disregard everything that may
slightly help proprietary software. It's probably possible to strip out
arches when they become unneeded, if so desired. I know it is possible under
Mac OS X to do that. If you had a system that had extra arches you didn't
need, you probably could just go and strip them out to save disk space.

There isn't much proof to your statement about loading fat binaries. I don't
notice a slow down in load times of Universal binaries on my Mac, but I do
notice the disk space. As it is, Snow Leopard now uses Universal binaries to
pack x86_32 and x86_64 into a single application container and can strip out
PowerPC binary code.

Don't knock it till you try it...
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Re: The future of rawhide (was [Fwd: Re: What is the Fedora Project?])

2009-10-22 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 11:02 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: 
 On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 10:55 -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
  So to make this a reality, we need to ensure that whatever is in rawhide
  has a *=* ENVR than anything in the other trees.  So I assume that when
  submitting a bodhi update, bodhi would check rawhide and ensure that
  whatever you were about to submit to 13-pending was = whatever was in
  rawhide.  Otherwise we'd get into a great big mess of not being able to
  update to rawhide packages because whatever was in 13-pending was
  'newer' than rawhide.  Right?
  
  We should have this anyway just to help upgradability between distros;
  bodhi should not allow a package to be added to an update if it's a
  newer ENVR than that same package in any of the newer distros. 
 
 Yes, but it may happen before the bodhi stage, when we get autoqa
 working on post-build tests.  This kind of check could happen at SCM
 commit time, package build time, or finally bodhi push time.  Seems
 reasonable that we'd want to catch it as early as possible, but that
 does force people to work on rawhide first, then work on the pending
 release which may be under critical time pressure.  Certainly something
 to discuss.  Catching it at bodhi time seems too late.
We could allow adding numbers after the dist tag in release for this
purpose. And if the fixed package would upgrade to a newer upstream
version it should not be too big hassle to build it in the rawhide tree
first.

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Re: Fedora with Universal Binaries?

2009-10-22 Thread Jon Ciesla

King InuYasha wrote:


On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at 
mailto:kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:


King InuYasha wrote:
 I just saw this article about an effort to create Universal
binary style
 ELF binaries for Linux, and I thought that this would be
something to
 watch, so that Fedora could integrate both x86-32 and x86-64
into single
 DVD sets.

 http://icculus.org/fatelf/

Yuck!!! Please don't infect GNU/Linux with this completely
braindead crap!
This wastes a lot of disk space and download bandwidth and
probably also
increases loading times for NO reason whatsoever. It also doubles
the build
times for any and all software. Just figure out what arch your
machine is
and install the correct package for your arch! Fat binaries are a
method to
make crappy binary-only software distribution easier, they have no
room on a
Free Software system. Let the Mac folks keep their fat crap and
leave our
binaries as native for the appropriate arch!

   Kevin Kofler

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I dunno, it could be useful for Live CDs/USBs. It would let you pack 
multiple arches onto a single LiveCD/USB.



Yeah, but they'd be larger, forcing removal of software from the images.
You sound like one of those crazy people that disregard everything 
that may slightly help proprietary software. It's probably possible to 
strip out arches when they become unneeded, if so desired. I know it 
is possible under Mac OS X to do that. If you had a system that had 
extra arches you didn't need, you probably could just go and strip 
them out to save disk space.



So. . .then why do it?  There are practical considerations here.
There isn't much proof to your statement about loading fat binaries. I 
don't notice a slow down in load times of Universal binaries on my 
Mac, but I do notice the disk space. As it is, Snow Leopard now uses 
Universal binaries to pack x86_32 and x86_64 into a single application 
container and can strip out PowerPC binary code.


Don't knock it till you try it...

Strip out where?  Build time, install time, or run time?

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Re: The future of rawhide (was [Fwd: Re: What is the Fedora Project?])

2009-10-22 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 11:02 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
 On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 10:55 -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
  So to make this a reality, we need to ensure that whatever is in rawhide
  has a *=* ENVR than anything in the other trees.  So I assume that when
  submitting a bodhi update, bodhi would check rawhide and ensure that
  whatever you were about to submit to 13-pending was = whatever was in
  rawhide.  Otherwise we'd get into a great big mess of not being able to
  update to rawhide packages because whatever was in 13-pending was
  'newer' than rawhide.  Right?
  
  We should have this anyway just to help upgradability between distros;
  bodhi should not allow a package to be added to an update if it's a
  newer ENVR than that same package in any of the newer distros. 
 
 Yes, but it may happen before the bodhi stage, when we get autoqa
 working on post-build tests.  This kind of check could happen at SCM
 commit time, package build time, or finally bodhi push time.  Seems
 reasonable that we'd want to catch it as early as possible, but that
 does force people to work on rawhide first, then work on the pending
 release which may be under critical time pressure.  Certainly something
 to discuss.  Catching it at bodhi time seems too late.

Good point.  SCM commit time (or tag time) with a CVS hook would be
awesome as long as the hook was fast enough.

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Re: The future of rawhide (was [Fwd: Re: What is the Fedora Project?])

2009-10-22 Thread Rex Dieter
Tomas Mraz wrote:


 We could allow adding numbers after the dist tag in release for this
 purpose.

That is already allowed, and encouraged, for branch-specific modfications,
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/NamingGuidelines#Minor_release_bumps_for_old_branches

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Re: Major reorganization of TeX Live packages

2009-10-22 Thread Jiri Cerny
Hi Jindrich,

(sorry for not replaying to the original message, I was reading the
list through archives)

I was using TeXLive 2009 repository before, without any problem. After
seeing your message,
I followed the instruction

 In case you have an older TL2009 installed on your system from the
 testing repository, please consider removing it and installing again.

and after 'yum install texlive' I get  a lot of missing dependencies.
Installing texlive requires
dvipdfm from the F12/rawhide repository, which requires kpathsea from
the same repository and which in turn
requires texlive-2007. Will it be fixed with texlive-2007-45 build?

Another, probably related issue: Why there is not a xdvi (and also
dvipdfm) binary in the Texlive 2009 repository. Should one use the
one from F12? This seems strange to me to have such mixture of 2007
and 2009 versions.

Jiri

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Re: Fedora with Universal Binaries?

2009-10-22 Thread Alexander Boström
tor 2009-10-22 klockan 12:28 -0500 skrev King InuYasha:

 I just saw this article about an effort to create Universal binary
 style ELF binaries for Linux, and I thought that this would be
 something to watch, so that Fedora could integrate both x86-32 and
 x86-64 into single DVD sets.

There's already lib / lib64 for parallell-installation of libraries,
though granted it's limited to only two arches, but yes, something that
covers bin too would be useful. But I doubt fat binaries are the answer.
You'd probably end up with having rpm merge /usr/bin/xxx from different
packages into a single fatelf file upon installation, rather than
putting the fat elves in the RPM file. Instead, I think it would be
better to extend FHS to support parallell install of binaries in a way
that gives each arch its own file.

But still, regardless if you go with a new binary format or with fat
filesystems, you end up blurring the line between native compilation
and cross-compilation. An extended FHS would probably have to deal with
that. (Fedora doesn't guarantee parallell install of -devel packages,
for example.)

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Re: Major reorganization of TeX Live packages

2009-10-22 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 22 October 2009 19:46:29 Jiri Cerny wrote:
 Hi Jindrich,
 
 (sorry for not replaying to the original message, I was reading the
 list through archives)
 
 I was using TeXLive 2009 repository before, without any problem. After
 seeing your message,
 I followed the instruction
 
  In case you have an older TL2009 installed on your system from the
  testing repository, please consider removing it and installing again.
 
 and after 'yum install texlive' I get  a lot of missing dependencies.
 Installing texlive requires
 dvipdfm from the F12/rawhide repository, which requires kpathsea from
 the same repository and which in turn
 requires texlive-2007. Will it be fixed with texlive-2007-45 build?

You can get the texlive-2007-45 build  meanwhile with

koji download-build --arch=i686 137706

in this case arch=i686 refers to the architecture of the machine where I am 
testing texlive and 137706 refers to the id of the build for texlive-2007-45 
in f12 (it has been done for f10-13).

With this update of the selected packages the update for the new texlive 
works. :-)

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Re: The future of rawhide (was [Fwd: Re: What is the Fedora Project?])

2009-10-22 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 13:39 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: 
 Tomas Mraz wrote:
 
 
  We could allow adding numbers after the dist tag in release for this
  purpose.
 
 That is already allowed, and encouraged, for branch-specific modfications,
 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/NamingGuidelines#Minor_release_bumps_for_old_branches

Heh, dunno why I thought it is disallowed. Then I don't see any problem
with enforcing n-v-r ordering during cvs tagging.
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Re: Fwd: Request to update ATi OSS driver for Fedora 12

2009-10-22 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 09:17 +0200, Michal Hlavinka wrote:

  For the slow 2D performance - _how_ slow is it, really? gnome-terminal
  has never been much of a speed demon. Does it get any faster if you boot
  with 'nomodeset' as a kernel parameter?
  
 
 Hi, 
 I've installed F-12 beta on my new laptop with ati radeon hd 4570 graphic 
 card, I was going to file new bug. With kms enabled, everything is really 
 slw, with 'nomodeset' it's much faster. I can't say exactly how slow it 
 is, is there anything I can use for measuring?

cairo-perf-trace is, afaik, the best we have:
http://cworth.org/intel/performance_measurement/

I'm not sure if bug reports on this are useful. To some extent, slow
performance with KMS on some chips is a known issue. Jerome, do you want
bug reports from people who have this problem, or would more reports not
provide any new information?

 btw, mesa-dri-drivers-experimental does not work at all for me (glx apps 
 segfault)

Your card's r700, not r600, so that's kind of expected; the current code
isn't expected to work well on r700 (possibly not at all, I'm not 100%
clear). r700 and r800 support should follow r600 relatively quickly,
though.

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Re: extracting multiple sources in %setup

2009-10-22 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 13:07 +, Mat Booth wrote:
 2009/10/22 Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com:
  On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 3:46 AM, Marcus Moeller wrote:
  Hi,
 
  is there a way to extract multiple sources in a spec files %setup section?
 
  Something like:
 
  for i in {1..10}; do tar xfz %(SOURCE$i}; done
 
  Best Regards
  Marcus
 
 
  %setup -q -c -n %{name} -a 0 -a 1 -a 2 -a 3 -a 4 -a 5 -a 6 -a 7 -a 8 -a 9 
  -a 10
 
  should work. I don't if there's any nicer way.
 
  Orcan
 
 
 It's also perfectly acceptable to call the %setup macro more than
 once, if you need to.
 
 There is some stuff in Max RPM about it:
 
 http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/s1-rpm-inside-macros.html#S3-RPM-INSIDE-SETUP-MULTI-SOURCE

Just a +1 for this as a general reference; I use it all the time. It's
the first Google result for 'rpm setup macro', if you ever lose the
bookmark. :)

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Re: The future of rawhide (was [Fwd: Re: What is the Fedora Project?])

2009-10-22 Thread Jesse Keating
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 11:33 -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
 
 Good point.  SCM commit time (or tag time) with a CVS hook would be
 awesome as long as the hook was fast enough. 

Note, I didn't say CVS, I said SCM  (:

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Re: The future of rawhide (was [Fwd: Re: What is the Fedora Project?])

2009-10-22 Thread Pete Zaitcev
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:50:54 -0700, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote:

 Hi all.  It has been brought to my attention that my description of my
 future vision of rawhide as explained here is much clearer than previous
 attempts (including the current no frozen rawhide wiki page). []

Actually, the no frozen rawhide was very clear and this message
just boggles the mind.

 What does this accomplish?  It provides a very easy release valve.
 Instead of closing the valve and building up pressure while we freeze,
 and tempting people to push things into our pending release that really
 don't belong, we'll provide them a normal, never ending release of
 pressure, called rawhide. []

Great, you made life of lazy developers easy. What about users of
Rawhide? I had Rawide installed on my main desktop since RHL 6.
What am I supposed to do now? What tree to run? Your proposal
has no guidelines for me (unlike the proposal to stop freezing
Rawhide, which IMHO had a lot of merit).

Note, I'm not interested in testing things sometimes. If I did,
I would've been using RHEL WS or something. I want an always-useable
development tip tree.

The problem here is that Rawhide was a useful distribution for years.
We were Gentoo before Gentoo, minus meaningless recompiles. And now?

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Re: Eternal 'good file hashes' list

2009-10-22 Thread David Stark

On 10/21/2009 07:47 AM, Ralf Ertzinger wrote:

Hi.

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:40:46 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:


In most cases, you can get that information from the original RPM
compared to the system... if you have the RPM :).

rpm -Vppackage_file_goes_here


Which is pretty much what I want, just pulling the data from an external
(signed) source instead of the local RPM database.



Sounds familiar. Solaris Fingerprint DB, anyone?

http://sunsolve.sun.com/fileFingerprints.do

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Re: Fedora with Universal Binaries?

2009-10-22 Thread Pete Zaitcev
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:28:36 -0500, King InuYasha ngomp...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just saw this article about an effort to create Universal binary style ELF
 binaries for Linux, and I thought that this would be something to watch, so
 that Fedora could integrate both x86-32 and x86-64 into single DVD sets.

Sounds like a kludge to work around limitations of dpkg.

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Re: Fwd: Request to update ATi OSS driver for Fedora 12

2009-10-22 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 19:56 +0800, Liang Suilong wrote:
 To Adam Williamson
 
 I try to add kernel parameter nomodeset to turn off KMS. After logging
 in Gnome and run gnome-terminal, I can scroll up and down my mouse so
 smoothly. I do not feel scrolling in the terminal is slow. 

Thanks for testing. See my reply to Michal for the next steps: I'm
checking with Jerome Glisse whether it's necessary for you to file a bug
report in this case.

 We can sure that KMS for R600 cause the problem. But KMS in the
 mainline kernel is experimental. I believe that the bug will be fixed.
 Thanks to Fedora developers, I can enjoy compiz with  opensource
 drivers. 

Yes, this is something the developers are working on for sure.

 Another things, xorg-x11-drv-ati with mesa-dri-drivers-experimental
 seems not to ru gnome-shell. Does it mean that ATi opensource need
 more OpenGL extensions to stand for gnome-shell?

Well, on my test system it runs, but doesn't really work: there's a
known bug which stops any input to gnome-shell working (so basically you
can't _do_ anything with it, trying to click on any gnome-shell element
doesn't work). As I said, this is a known bug in the Mesa stuff which
should get fixed at some point. I imagine any other problem you're
seeing with gnome-shell is similar in nature. As mentioned, this code is
known to be pretty alpha :)

 Plymouth is so beautiful and smooth when I start up my Fedora 12,
 nevertheless, it does not work when I shutdown or reboot my box. I
 just can see a black screen or console status. How can I make plymouth
 run again?

This could be related to disabling KMS, I suppose, but I don't know any
more than that I'm afraid.

 ATi should learn Intel how to develop opensource drivers for their
 graphic card. The relationship between ati and radeonhd should be
 cooperation not competition. This is just my opinon. 

That's not quite the situation. The 'ati' driver is not written entirely
by ATI/AMD, it is a proper communally-developed driver to which our Red
Hat staff and others contribute significantly, based on information and
specifications provided by ATI/AMD.

'radeonhd' is essentially a competing driver. The history is that the
radeonhd driver came out before the ati/radeon driver (technically the
driver in question is called 'radeon', the driver called 'ati' is
really just a wrapper which loads either 'radeon', 'r128' or 'mach64'
depending on the hardware that's detected) gained any support for r500+
chips at all. (Actually, a driver called 'avivo' came before either of
those, but never mind that). After a while, the 'radeon' driver added
support for r500+ chips, so there are now two different open source
drivers, both officially part of the X.org project, which support r500+
devices. 'radeonhd' is supported by Novell and gets contributions from
Novell's paid developers, 'radeon' is more supported by Red Hat.

Obviously this isn't sustainable and eventually the two will merge
somehow, but for now there's two drivers, and Fedora supports 'radeon'.
'radeonhd' is really only available from the Fedora repositories for
research purposes.

The fact that there are two open source drivers is not the fault of
ATI/AMD in any way, they shouldn't take any blame for it. They have in
fact been moving in a very good direction lately, and their relationship
with the X development community is pretty much as good as Intel's now.
Neither 'radeon' nor 'radeonhd' would have developed to the point they
have without the help and support of ATI/AMD.

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Re: Simplify non-responsive maintainers policy Part 2

2009-10-22 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 09:25 -0400, Lyos Gemini Norezel wrote:

 In this day and age? It's highly unusual for people to only have one.

I'd say it's rather more common than it used to be; many people don't
use ISP email any more, they just use a gmail or Yahoo! or whatever
account for everything.

Even when people have more than one, it's often the case they only have
one personal email and the other is a business address they can't use
for non-work-related purposes.

Those of us who've been collecting addresses from different ISPs and so
on for years are probably in the minority these days :)

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Re: Simplify non-responsive maintainers policy Part 2

2009-10-22 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 09:43 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
 On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 11:16 +0200, Till Maas wrote:
  What kind of checks do you mean? If maintainers want to keep their
  packages, they can just change the owner of the package to their new
  private account before leaving Red Hat. 
 
 That assumes the maintainer knows they're leaving Red Hat ahead of time.

/me looks around nervously :)

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Re: The future of rawhide (was [Fwd: Re: What is the Fedora Project?])

2009-10-22 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 09:50 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
 Hi all.  It has been brought to my attention that my description of my
 future vision of rawhide as explained here is much clearer than previous
 attempts (including the current no frozen rawhide wiki page).  So I
 felt it prudent to forward it along to the devel list for more eyes to
 look upon it and comment if desired.

I have two particular nits with it. One, it's pretty unwieldy,
especially for part time maintainers (thinking how many hoops we'll have
to jump through just to keep our packages up to date). Having to jump
through the Bodhi hoops every time we just want to put a trivial update
into a release that won't be coming out for five months feels like a
pain. I'd worry about a lot of stuff going stale and smelly in the
middle of the Bodhi process somewhere as maintainers lose track of where
the hell they're up to with the four releases they have to cope with
(the last two already-released releases, the upcoming release, and
rawhide).

Two, it makes testing things a bit more complex. Those of us who like to
test upcoming stuff in real use - i.e. on our main machines - will have
to choose whether to test rawhide, in which case we'll have more pain
to deal with ourselves and won't be contributing as much to testing of
the next stable release, or test the next stable release, in which case
we aren't helping maintainers by making sure the stuff they're putting
in rawhide isn't totally broken.

But overall, the positives could certainly outweigh the negatives. Just
thought I'd flag up the two major concerns I have in case anything could
be done about them.

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Re: The future of rawhide (was [Fwd: Re: What is the Fedora Project?])

2009-10-22 Thread Jesse Keating
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 14:47 -0600, Pete Zaitcev wrote:
 On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:50:54 -0700, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote:
 
  Hi all.  It has been brought to my attention that my description of my
  future vision of rawhide as explained here is much clearer than previous
  attempts (including the current no frozen rawhide wiki page). []
 
 Actually, the no frozen rawhide was very clear and this message
 just boggles the mind.
 
  What does this accomplish?  It provides a very easy release valve.
  Instead of closing the valve and building up pressure while we freeze,
  and tempting people to push things into our pending release that really
  don't belong, we'll provide them a normal, never ending release of
  pressure, called rawhide. []
 
 Great, you made life of lazy developers easy. What about users of
 Rawhide? I had Rawide installed on my main desktop since RHL 6.
 What am I supposed to do now? What tree to run? Your proposal
 has no guidelines for me (unlike the proposal to stop freezing
 Rawhide, which IMHO had a lot of merit).
 
 Note, I'm not interested in testing things sometimes. If I did,
 I would've been using RHEL WS or something. I want an always-useable
 development tip tree.
 
 The problem here is that Rawhide was a useful distribution for years.
 We were Gentoo before Gentoo, minus meaningless recompiles. And now?
 
 -- Pete
 

I wonder where your confusion comes from.  With this rewording of the
proposal, the proposal doesn't change.  Rawhide the path on the mirror
(pub/fedora/linux/releases/development/) never freezes, never stops.
It's always developmental and testing packages.  It is always there.  It
never freezes.  You can turn on that repo and just run with it from now
until you decide you don't want to use computers anymore.

The proposal, both wordings, say that we'll stop slowing down rawhide,
stop trying to use that path as a testing/polish point for a release.
We'll do that somewhere else and let rawhide keep flowing.

So you can continue to run rawhide all you want.  Your entry point to
rawhide may change slightly, you may have to start with the current
Fedora release or the current testing release for the next Fedora, and
then upgrade to the rawhide package set, but once you've done that you
just stick on rawhide and never look back.

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Re: Simplify non-responsive maintainers policy Part 2

2009-10-22 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 09:43:46AM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
 On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 11:16 +0200, Till Maas wrote:
  What kind of checks do you mean? If maintainers want to keep their
  packages, they can just change the owner of the package to their new
  private account before leaving Red Hat. 
 
 That assumes the maintainer knows they're leaving Red Hat ahead of time.

Perhaps no one should be using their @redhat.com address for Fedora 
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Re: Simplify non-responsive maintainers policy Part 2

2009-10-22 Thread Mike McGrath
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009, Chuck Anderson wrote:

 On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 09:43:46AM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
  On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 11:16 +0200, Till Maas wrote:
   What kind of checks do you mean? If maintainers want to keep their
   packages, they can just change the owner of the package to their new
   private account before leaving Red Hat.
 
  That assumes the maintainer knows they're leaving Red Hat ahead of time.

 Perhaps no one should be using their @redhat.com address for Fedora
 work :-/


We generally discourage it but several still do it.

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Re: Fedora with Universal Binaries?

2009-10-22 Thread Sam Varshavchik

Pete Zaitcev writes:


On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:28:36 -0500, King InuYasha ngomp...@gmail.com wrote:


I just saw this article about an effort to create Universal binary style ELF
binaries for Linux, and I thought that this would be something to watch, so
that Fedora could integrate both x86-32 and x86-64 into single DVD sets.


Sounds like a kludge to work around limitations of dpkg.


Not really. Something like this would allow you to have a single boot image 
for both 32 and 64 bit hosts.


32 bits will be here for a long, long time, of course, but its days are 
numbered, so I don't think it makes practical sense to invest the effort in 
implementing FAT ELF format. There might be some practical benefit if its 
scope was expanded to support arbitrary binary ABIs, i.e. a single ELF image 
containing x86_64 and sparc64, perhaps.




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Re: The future of rawhide (was [Fwd: Re: What is the Fedora Project?])

2009-10-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot


Le Jeu 22 octobre 2009 23:20, Jesse Keating a écrit :

 So you can continue to run rawhide all you want.  Your entry point to
 rawhide may change slightly, you may have to start with the current
 Fedora release or the current testing release for the next Fedora, and
 then upgrade to the rawhide package set, but once you've done that you
 just stick on rawhide and never look back.

IMHO you should be honest and call your F-next rawhide, and find some other
name for the experimental stuff sandbox. Because your F-next is effectively
what rawhide has been since before Fedora, and your rawhide is what people who
do not care about releng have been trying to turn rawhide into in the past
years. Well they can get their no-rules playground but I don't see why we
should also give them the rawhide name. It has a fine history, much better
than the eating babies ogre caricature.

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Re: Simplify non-responsive maintainers policy Part 2

2009-10-22 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 16:42 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:

  Perhaps no one should be using their @redhat.com address for Fedora
  work :-/
 
 We generally discourage it but several still do it.

Uh, we do? No-one's ever indicated that to me. Why would it be
discouraged? Doesn't RH like its contributions to Fedora to be clear?

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Re: Simplify non-responsive maintainers policy Part 2

2009-10-22 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 04:42:16PM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
 On Thu, 22 Oct 2009, Chuck Anderson wrote:
 
  On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 09:43:46AM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
   On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 11:16 +0200, Till Maas wrote:
What kind of checks do you mean? If maintainers want to keep their
packages, they can just change the owner of the package to their new
private account before leaving Red Hat.
  
   That assumes the maintainer knows they're leaving Red Hat ahead of time.
 
  Perhaps no one should be using their @redhat.com address for Fedora
  work :-/
 
 
 We generally discourage it but several still do it.

Err surely just the opposite. At least anyone who works on both RHEL and
Fedora will use their @redhat.com address because they need this to be
able to see private BZ comments  most people don't want to constantly
be switching between 2 BZ account logins just to use alternate addr for
Fedora.

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Re: Simplify non-responsive maintainers policy Part 2

2009-10-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot


Le Jeu 22 octobre 2009 23:45, Adam Williamson a écrit :

 On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 16:42 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:

  Perhaps no one should be using their @redhat.com address for Fedora
  work :-/

 We generally discourage it but several still do it.

 Uh, we do? No-one's ever indicated that to me. Why would it be
 discouraged? Doesn't RH like its contributions to Fedora to be clear?

The right solution is just to have some manager as fallback address. Telling
people to use a non-rh address when their Fedora activity is linked to their
@rh work is ridiculous.

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Re: The future of rawhide (was [Fwd: Re: What is the Fedora Project?])

2009-10-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:02:42 -0700,
  Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote:
 
 Yes, but it may happen before the bodhi stage, when we get autoqa
 working on post-build tests.  This kind of check could happen at SCM
 commit time, package build time, or finally bodhi push time.  Seems
 reasonable that we'd want to catch it as early as possible, but that
 does force people to work on rawhide first, then work on the pending
 release which may be under critical time pressure.  Certainly something
 to discuss.  Catching it at bodhi time seems too late.

The *.fcxx.1 trick can be used to work around that if necessary. That
may not be desirable though, as it seems to catch people by surprise.

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Re: Simplify non-responsive maintainers policy Part 2

2009-10-22 Thread Seth Vidal



On Thu, 22 Oct 2009, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:


On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 04:42:16PM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:

On Thu, 22 Oct 2009, Chuck Anderson wrote:


On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 09:43:46AM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:

On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 11:16 +0200, Till Maas wrote:

What kind of checks do you mean? If maintainers want to keep their
packages, they can just change the owner of the package to their new
private account before leaving Red Hat.


That assumes the maintainer knows they're leaving Red Hat ahead of time.


Perhaps no one should be using their @redhat.com address for Fedora
work :-/



We generally discourage it but several still do it.


Err surely just the opposite. At least anyone who works on both RHEL and
Fedora will use their @redhat.com address because they need this to be
able to see private BZ comments  most people don't want to constantly
be switching between 2 BZ account logins just to use alternate addr for
Fedora.



I actually have both.

rhel bugs get assigned to svidal at redhat.com
fedora bugs go to skvidal at sethdot.org

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pxe-kexec

2009-10-22 Thread Ed Swierk
A few months ago I put together a package for pxe-kexec, a tool that
uses kexec to boot already-running machine from a PXE server, which is
handy for kicking off OS installs remotely. The package has been
reviewed and is ready to go, except I'm not sponsored and haven't
found the time to become one.

Given my priorities I don't think I'd make a very responsive
maintainer for pxe-kexec, but if anyone is interested in stepping in,
please be my guest.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508352

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Re: Simplify non-responsive maintainers policy Part 2

2009-10-22 Thread Jesse Keating
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 18:26 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
 I actually have both.
 
 rhel bugs get assigned to svidal at redhat.com
 fedora bugs go to skvidal at sethdot.org 

Many people aren't willing to jump through the hoops necessary to manage
that separation.

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Re: The future of rawhide (was [Fwd: Re: What is the Fedora Project?])

2009-10-22 Thread Jesse Keating
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 14:18 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
 
 I have two particular nits with it. One, it's pretty unwieldy,
 especially for part time maintainers (thinking how many hoops we'll have
 to jump through just to keep our packages up to date). Having to jump
 through the Bodhi hoops every time we just want to put a trivial update
 into a release that won't be coming out for five months feels like a
 pain. 

Who said anything about 5 months.  3 months max, which is just slightly
longer than the amount of time they spend now doing Trac tickets to get
something in.

 I'd worry about a lot of stuff going stale and smelly in the
 middle of the Bodhi process somewhere as maintainers lose track of where
 the hell they're up to with the four releases they have to cope with
 (the last two already-released releases, the upcoming release, and
 rawhide).

rawhide would never use bodhi.  If you build in devel/ it shows up in
rawhide the next day.  End of story.  Bodhi would only be used for the
pending and already done releases.

 
 Two, it makes testing things a bit more complex. Those of us who like to
 test upcoming stuff in real use - i.e. on our main machines - will have
 to choose whether to test rawhide, in which case we'll have more pain
 to deal with ourselves and won't be contributing as much to testing of
 the next stable release, or test the next stable release, in which case
 we aren't helping maintainers by making sure the stuff they're putting
 in rawhide isn't totally broken.

For people like you, you'd just keep jumping when we branch off the next
release.  Like it or not, this is happening /already/.  dist-f13 already
has 953 packages with updates, and it isn't published /anywhere/
for /anybody/ to test it.  We can only make that better, not worse.

 
 But overall, the positives could certainly outweigh the negatives. Just
 thought I'd flag up the two major concerns I have in case anything could
 be done about them.
 


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Re: The future of rawhide (was [Fwd: Re: What is the Fedora Project?])

2009-10-22 Thread Adam Miller
I think this is an awesome idea, and yes I think this version of the
verbage is more clear. Kudos to Jesse (and all those involved in the
development of the idea of the split rawhide) and I hope to see this
come to fruition.

-Adam

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Re: the mass rebuild and i586 rpms?

2009-10-22 Thread Milos Jakubicek

Hi,

On 22.10.2009 19:29, Quentin Armitage wrote:

1. Is the script that is run and produces the output at
http://jkeating.fedorapeople.org/needed-f12-rebuilds.html actually the
script referred to at the bottom of that page
(https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/browser/scripts) ? The reason I ask is
that when I run the script, I get

Included Koji instances:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/kojihub
http://sparc.koji.fedoraproject.org/kojihub
http://s390.koji.fedoraproject.org/kojihub
http://arm.koji.fedoraproject.org/kojihub

whereas the posted output only has
Included Koji instances:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/kojihub
http://sparc.koji.fedoraproject.org/kojihub


It is, but Jesse has disabled the other Koji hubs because sometimes they 
just time out, unfortunately.



2. If the script is run against just koji.fedoraproject,org/kojihub
(i.e. without the sub arches), it says 185 packages need
rebuilding (instead of the 175 listed in the report); the following
10 packages are omitted when the sparc koji hub is also included:
gmpc
HippoDraw
itcl
latex2rtf
prtconf
PyKDE
python-igraph
silo
spicebird
xorg-x11-drv-sunffb

This is caused by line 117 of the script:
 unbuilt = unbuilt  unbuiltnew
so if a package needs to be rebuilt on the primary arch, but not on the
(in this case sparc) secondary arch, then it is dropped from needing to
be rebuilt


Yes, that's how I did it -- my primary goal was to clear the list off 
secondary-arch-only stuff. There might be of course some cases like if 
somebody rebuilds a package only for a secondary arch but not for the 
primary one, but I don't think this is much a problem (there won't be 
many compared to the -- increasing -- number of secondary-arch-only 
stuff which we won't need).


 (it appears that a package will only be listed if it needs

to be rebuild on every arch).


No, the package appears if there is no build after the specified date in 
any of the archs (to be clear: as soon as the package is built in at 
least one arch, it will get off the list).


 There are several circumstances where this

can happen (with the 10 missing packages listed):

Built on sub arch but failed on primary arch

gmpc - 0.18.0-1 build on sparc after epoch but 0.18.0-2 failed on koji
HippoDraw
itcl
latex2rtf
python-igraph


Yes, those are not caught by this script now and should be rebuilt in 
primary arch as well of course.



Not a primary arch package (should the package be blocked in the primary
arch kojihub?)
==
prtconf
silo
xorg-x11-drv-sunffb


There are much more of them! I don't know whether it is possible to 
block a package in a single Koji hub and if our infrastructure team is 
willing to go in this way -- Jesse?



Blocked on secondary arch (so not included in unbuiltnew)
=
spicebird


Should be probably blocked in all hubs too. The blocking mechanism 
definitely doesn't serve instead of ExcludeArch, am I right?



Built on sub arch but not submitted for rebuild on primary arch

PyKDE


Should be rebuilt (I just started the build).


Package does not exist in secondary arch (no example)
=

Would it be more relevant to list what needs to be rebuild separately
for each arch (but see point 3 below)?
3. So far as I can see, there have not been mass rebuilds on the
secondary arches, so is it relevant to search them for successful builds
since the epoch? If it is relevant, they would appear to have different
epochs in any case.


Well, when I got to modifying the script (about half a year ago), the 
main problem was that there was too much noise consisting in 
secondary-arch-only packages. At that time there were more than 100 of 
such builds which is quite a lot.


Also, secondary archs (re)builds are completely in the hands of 
secondary arch maintainers, they're not bound to the primary archs mass 
rebuilds.



5. I have looked at the 185 packages that have not been rebuilt, and the
reasons fall into the following categories (details for each package are
listed later):
1. Not submitted for rebuild (65)


Yeah, there were some problems during the mass rebuild, IIRC (esp. with 
packages starting with o*, p* and maybe others). They should be 
definitely rebuilt. Looking at your lists, when rebuilding packages you 
should be aware of:


1) secondary-arch-only packages (xorg-x11-drv-sun*)
2) dead packages not blocked in Koji (a package is dead iff there is a 
dead.package file in the CVS; if it is then not blocked in Koji, please 
report to Jesse).

3) packages not built yet because they've just passed the review.


I have made some changes to need-rebuild.py to produce some of the
information above, and am happy to provide them if they are of any
interest.


Great! The more people get involved, the better:)

Regards,
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RE: pxe-kexec

2009-10-22 Thread Scott_Collier
I'll take it if that's ok.  I'm new to packaging and looking for more
experience.

-Scott



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Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 6:12 PM
To: Development discussions related to Fedora
Subject: pxe-kexec

A few months ago I put together a package for pxe-kexec, a tool that
uses kexec to boot already-running machine from a PXE server, which is
handy for kicking off OS installs remotely. The package has been
reviewed and is ready to go, except I'm not sponsored and haven't
found the time to become one.

Given my priorities I don't think I'd make a very responsive
maintainer for pxe-kexec, but if anyone is interested in stepping in,
please be my guest.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508352

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Re: Simplify non-responsive maintainers policy Part 2

2009-10-22 Thread Seth Vidal



On Thu, 22 Oct 2009, Jesse Keating wrote:


On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 18:26 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:

I actually have both.

rhel bugs get assigned to svidal at redhat.com
fedora bugs go to skvidal at sethdot.org


Many people aren't willing to jump through the hoops necessary to manage
that separation.


I comment on all bugs from .redhat.com so there is less hoop jumping.

but I get your point.

-sv

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Re: Fedora with Universal Binaries?

2009-10-22 Thread Kevin Kofler
King InuYasha wrote:
 I dunno, it could be useful for Live CDs/USBs. It would let you pack
 multiple arches onto a single LiveCD/USB.

The Live CDs are already full without supporting this completely useless 
feature.

Surely, the real solution is to position the 64-bit version more prominently 
(instead of driving everyone to the obsolescent 32-bit version), not to 
bloat the CDs with double-size binaries.

 You sound like one of those crazy people that disregard everything that
 may slightly help proprietary software.

I don't see why we should ship our own binaries in a format which ONLY helps 
proprietary software. They can ship whatever they want if they can get the 
kernel to accept their nonstandard ELF.

(That said, it's true that I also do think supporting anything which only 
helps proprietary software is counterproductive. This also includes some 
stuff we're currently doing, like shipping ancient compat-libstdc++ 
versions. We need to encourage third-party developers to ship Free Software, 
not proprietary software! But that wasn't even the point here, supporting 
Fat ELF isn't what I primarily object to, using it is!)

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Re: The future of rawhide (was [Fwd: Re: What is the Fedora Project?])

2009-10-22 Thread Adam Miller
I would also like to jump on the help train if there is anything I am able
to lend a hand with.

-Adam (From Android)

On Oct 22, 2009 9:05 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote:

On Thu, 22 Oct 2009, Adam Miller wrote:  I think this is an awesome idea,
and yes I think this ve...
I agree, how can I help?

   -Mike

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Re: Fedora with Universal Binaries?

2009-10-22 Thread Kevin Kofler
Alexander Boström wrote:
 There's already lib / lib64 for parallell-installation of libraries,
 though granted it's limited to only two arches, but yes, something that
 covers bin too would be useful.

bin is not multilib for a reason. You don't need 32-bit binaries on a 64-bit 
machine unless there's no 64-bit version.

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Re: Packaging Survey - May 2009

2009-10-22 Thread Gerry Reno

Jeff Spaleta wrote:

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Rahul Sundaram
sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
  

Hi

I did a quick survey from Fedora on what software Fedora users are using
that is not available in the repo. Here are the results. If you find
anything interesting, feel free to pick it up.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging_Survey_May_2009




eucalyptus has a non-trivial list of java deps that we don't have
packaged yet. I looked at the 1.5 pre-release tarballs in launchpad
before ecualyptus opened up its bzr trees to the public.  Ubuntu seems
to have initially solved this problem in a way that our packaging
review process would definitely not allow. They lumped a lot of
individual java codebased together into a single package in order to
streamline the effort to get eucalyptus into universe.
http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/eucalyptus-javadeps

It would take a concerted effort of a number of contributors with
reasonable java packaging experience to work together and coordinate
package reviews to build up the complete set of java packages needed
for full eucalyptus functionality. I would definitely not be among
them.  If people are serious about it. I really suggest they start
forming up a team and start working on it now with F12 as a target
release for the first full set of packages.

-jef

  


Did eucalyptus ever get packaged for F12 ?

I didn't find anything in rawhide today when I checked it.


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[Bug 24613] fc-query can't query face 0

2009-10-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24613





--- Comment #4 from Akira TAGOH ak...@tagoh.org  2009-10-21 23:37:27 PST ---
(In reply to comment #3)
 Indeed, in the pattern you got after modifying that line, you see that charset
 is empty, that is, fontconfig could not recognize any character in the font 
 and
 hence the face is useless.  That's why fontconfig skips it.  Sounds like
 NOTABUG to me.  What kind of font is this?

It's a Japanese bitmap font. so fontconfig is just checking to skip the broken
BDF/PCF fonts highly likely not having any charset detected? I see - I don't
still see there are any useful cases not skipping non-BDF/PCF fonts that has no
charsets though.

However the assumption as described at that comment isn't necessarily true. 
Since it was available before we are moving to Unicode, most BDF/PCF fonts
available in the world should be encoded by none. but just put glyphs with
the glyph IDs for the charset. in fact, it does in this case.

FreeType is (internally) capable to add any CMaps that is used to look up the
glyph ID from the character code though, no exported FT_CMap structure. if
adding the own CMap to transcode Unicode to the charset, it may works as
expected without modifying the application code.  but I guess fontconfig won't
support such fonts so far, because fontconfig and other rendering library
focuses on Unicode only and using the internal APIs doesn't make sense?


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[Bug 24613] fc-query can't query face 0

2009-10-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24613





--- Comment #5 from Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net  2009-10-22 
00:31:46 PST ---
The correct solution is probably to write a filter that adds the freetype info
to the font files, so they become normal unicody fonts any font libe can use.

Then the fc-query error can be modified to just point people to this filter.

I don't think Fedora should ship fonts that can not be used in fontconfig at
this stage. If they can't be fixed easily, I'd say just drop them.


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[Bug 530285] New: Specific Information about default font need to be displayed on global font settings' GUI

2009-10-22 Thread bugzilla
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Summary: Specific Information about default font need to be displayed on global 
font settings' GUI

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=530285

   Summary: Specific Information about default font need to be
displayed on global font settings' GUI
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: NEW
  Keywords: i18n
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: fontconfig
AssignedTo: besfa...@redhat.com
ReportedBy: ape...@redhat.com
 QAContact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
CC: besfa...@redhat.com,
fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com,
fedora-i18n-b...@redhat.com
Classification: Fedora
Target Release: ---


Created an attachment (id=365660)
 -- (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=365660)
Screenshot for the font GUI showing Sans

Description of problem:
(this cannot be termed as a bug)
The default font for Malayalam in Fedora is smc-meera-fonts. When logging into
Malayalam locale, the font details appearing on the GUI
(System-Preferences-Appearance-Font) is as shown in screenshot. It says
Sans instead of Meera. This does not give any information to the normal
user about which font he is currently viewing on his desktop. I understand
there are ways to get the font information from command line interface. But how
to get this information on GUI? Please advise how this can be done and thus the
purpose of GUI can be better served in a more useful way to the user.

How reproducible:
Always

Steps to Reproduce:
1. Login to Malayalam (ml_IN) locale
2. Select System-Preferences-Appearance-Font)
3. Check the font information displayed on GUI

Actual results:
font appear as Sans

Expected results:
From user point of view I feel this must be shown as Meera, as Sans does
not give any information about the default font used in Malayalam

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[Bug 530285] Specific Information about default font need to be displayed on global font settings' GUI

2009-10-22 Thread bugzilla
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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=530285


Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |CLOSED
 Resolution||NOTABUG




--- Comment #1 from Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net  2009-10-22 
03:46:54 EDT ---
This is not specific to Malayalam and is just the way the Linux font system
works. We use synthetic fonts (not mere aliases) composed of many different
fonts

IIRC Microsoft has been copying this design in its new .Net stack

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[Bug 225617] Merge Review: bitmap-fonts

2009-10-22 Thread bugzilla
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--- Comment #24 from Pravin Satpute psatp...@redhat.com  2009-10-22 05:07:15 
EDT ---
(In reply to comment #23)
 
 2. You have some stray fixed font in bitmap-console-fonts
yep console9x15.pcf has written fontname FixedMedium
in that case i think we will require Fixed subpackage, with this file included

 3. Some of the files in bitmap-console-fonts declare their name as
 console8x8.pcf which is almost certainly a bug
you are talking about fontname, or file name
i did not found this in fontname, please provide bit more info. 

 
 4. The Lucida Typewriter fonts in bitmap-fonts should be pushed in a
 bitmap-lucida-typewriter-fonts subpackage
in that case, bitmap-fonts rpm will be empty?

 
 6. you can probably kill the common file and put each license %doc in the
 corresponding subpackage (just put the %doc line after the corresponding
 %_font_pkg call). You just need to have each subpackage require
 fontpackages-filesystem direcly  

so here we suppose to remove common package, also README will not require
and put files for each subpackage in %doc, but we dont have any for console
what to do for it?

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[Bug 526204] Review Request: ucs-fixed-fonts selected set of bitmap fonts

2009-10-22 Thread bugzilla
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--- Comment #7 from Pravin Satpute psatp...@redhat.com  2009-10-22 06:01:59 
EDT ---
updated package link

http://pravins.fedorapeople.org/ucs-miscfixed-fonts.spec

http://pravins.fedorapeople.org/ucs-miscfixed-fonts-0.3-4.fc11.src.rpm

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rpms/msimonson-anonymouspro-fonts/devel .cvsignore, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.1, 1.2

2009-10-22 Thread Robin Sonefors
Author: ozamosi

Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/msimonson-anonymouspro-fonts/devel
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv19493

Modified Files:
.cvsignore sources 
Log Message:
.cvsignore and sources entries for source



Index: .cvsignore
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/msimonson-anonymouspro-fonts/devel/.cvsignore,v
retrieving revision 1.1
retrieving revision 1.2
diff -u -p -r1.1 -r1.2
--- .cvsignore  22 Oct 2009 04:48:01 -  1.1
+++ .cvsignore  22 Oct 2009 12:29:48 -  1.2
@@ -0,0 +1 @@
+AnonymousPro.zip


Index: sources
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/msimonson-anonymouspro-fonts/devel/sources,v
retrieving revision 1.1
retrieving revision 1.2
diff -u -p -r1.1 -r1.2
--- sources 22 Oct 2009 04:48:01 -  1.1
+++ sources 22 Oct 2009 12:29:48 -  1.2
@@ -0,0 +1 @@
+3cdcfc1979242670410e26ce42d226b0  AnonymousPro.zip

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rpms/msimonson-anonymouspro-fonts/devel msimonson-anonymouspro-fonts-fontconfig.conf, NONE, 1.1 msimonson-anonymouspro-fonts.spec, NONE, 1.1

2009-10-22 Thread Robin Sonefors
Author: ozamosi

Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/msimonson-anonymouspro-fonts/devel
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv25401

Added Files:
msimonson-anonymouspro-fonts-fontconfig.conf 
msimonson-anonymouspro-fonts.spec 
Log Message:
Add missing files



--- NEW FILE msimonson-anonymouspro-fonts-fontconfig.conf ---
?xml version=1.0?
!DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM fonts.dtd
fontconfig
  alias
familymonospace/family
prefer
  familyAnonymous Pro/family
/prefer
  /alias
  alias
familyAnonymous Pro/family
default
  familymonospace/family
/default
  /alias
  alias binding=same
familyAnonymous/family
accept
  familyAnonymous Pro/family
/accept
  /alias
/fontconfig


--- NEW FILE msimonson-anonymouspro-fonts.spec ---
%global fontname msimonson-anonymouspro
%global fontconf 61-%{fontname}.conf
%global archivename AnonymousPro

Name:   %{fontname}-fonts
Version:1.001
Release:2%{?dist}
Summary:A coding-friendly monospace font

Group:  User Interface/X
License:OFL
URL:http://www.ms-studio.com/FontSales/anonymouspro.html
Source0:http://www.ms-studio.com/FontSales/AnonymousPro.zip
Source1:%{name}-fontconfig.conf
BuildRoot:  %(mktemp -ud %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-XX)

BuildArch:  noarch
BuildRequires:  fontpackages-devel
Requires:   fontpackages-filesystem

%description
Anonymous Pro is a family of fixed-width fonts designed especially with coding
in mind. Characters that could be mistaken for one another (O, 0, I, l, 1,
etc.) have distinct shapes to make them easier to tell apart in the context of
source code.

It has support for most Western and European Latin-based languages, Greek, and
Cyrillic. It also includes special “box drawing” characters.

Anonymous Pro is based on an earlier font, Anonymous, which is a TrueType
version of Susan Lesch and David Lamkins’ font Anonymous 9, a freeware
Macintosh bitmap font.

%prep
%setup -q -n %{archivename}
for txt in OFL.txt OFL-FAQ.txt; do
fold -s $txt  $txt.new
sed -i 's/\r//' $txt.new
touch -r $txt $txt.new
mv $txt.new $txt
done

%build


%install
rm -fr %{buildroot}

install -m 0755 -d %{buildroot}%{_fontdir}
install -m 0644 -p *.ttf %{buildroot}%{_fontdir}

install -m 0755 -d %{buildroot}%{_fontconfig_templatedir} \
   %{buildroot}%{_fontconfig_confdir}

install -m 0644 -p %{SOURCE1} \
%{buildroot}%{_fontconfig_templatedir}/%{fontconf}
ln -s %{_fontconfig_templatedir}/%{fontconf} \
  %{buildroot}%{_fontconfig_confdir}/%{fontconf}

%clean
rm -fr %{buildroot}


%_font_pkg -f %{fontconf} *.ttf

%doc *.txt

%changelog
* Sat Oct 17 2009 Robin Sonefors ozam...@flukkost.nu - 1.001-2
- Change summary, fix fontconfig file

* Thu Oct 15 2009 Robin Sonefors ozam...@flukkost.nu - 1.001-1
- Initial packaging

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[Bug 24613] fc-query can't query face 0

2009-10-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24613


Behdad Esfahbod freedesk...@behdad.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution||NOTOURBUG




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[Bug 529196] Review Request: ms-anonymouspro-fonts - AnonymousPro fonts

2009-10-22 Thread bugzilla
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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=529196





--- Comment #8 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org  
2009-10-22 11:11:18 EDT ---
msimonson-anonymouspro-fonts-1.001-2.fc11 has been submitted as an update for
Fedora 11.
http://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/msimonson-anonymouspro-fonts-1.001-2.fc11

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rpms/gdouros-aegean-fonts/devel gdouros-aegean-fonts-fontconfig.conf, NONE, 1.1 gdouros-aegean-fonts.spec, NONE, 1.1 .cvsignore, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.1, 1.2

2009-10-22 Thread Robin Sonefors
Author: ozamosi

Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/gdouros-aegean-fonts/devel
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv16603

Modified Files:
.cvsignore sources 
Added Files:
gdouros-aegean-fonts-fontconfig.conf gdouros-aegean-fonts.spec 
Log Message:
First version



--- NEW FILE gdouros-aegean-fonts-fontconfig.conf ---
?xml version=1.0?
!DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM fonts.dtd
fontconfig
  alias
familyfantasy/family
prefer
  familyAegean/family
/prefer
  /alias
  alias
familyAegean/family
default
  familyfantasy/family
/default
  /alias
/fontconfig


--- NEW FILE gdouros-aegean-fonts.spec ---
%global fontname gdouros-aegean
%global fontconf 65-%{fontname}.conf

Name:   %{fontname}-fonts
Version:3.01
Release:2%{?dist}
Summary:A font for ancient scripts in the greater Aegean vicinity

Group:  User Interface/X
License:Copyright only
URL:http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/
Source0:http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/Aegean.zip
Source1:%{name}-fontconfig.conf
BuildRoot:  %(mktemp -ud %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-XX)

BuildArch:  noarch
BuildRequires:  fontpackages-devel
Requires:   fontpackages-filesystem

%description
Aegean covers the following scripts and symbols supported by The Unicode
Standard 5.2: Basic Latin, Greek and Coptic, Greek Extended, some Punctuation
and other Symbols, Linear B Syllabary, Linear B Ideograms, Aegean Numbers,
Ancient Greek Numbers, Ancient Symbols, Phaistos Disc, Lycian, Carian, Old
Italic, Ugaritic, Old Persian, Cypriot Syllabary, Phoenician, Lydian, and
Archaic Greek Musical Notation.

Aegean also covers the following scripts and symbols not yet supported by
Unicode: Cretan Hieroglyphs, Cypro-Minoan, Linear A, the Arkalochori Axe,
Ancient Greek and Old Italic variant alphabets. These are allocated in the
Supplementary Private Use Plane 15.

It was created by George Douros.

%prep
%setup -q -c


%build


%install
rm -fr %{buildroot}

install -m 0755 -d %{buildroot}%{_fontdir}
install -m 0644 -p Aegean.otf %{buildroot}%{_fontdir}

install -m 0755 -d %{buildroot}%{_fontconfig_templatedir} \
   %{buildroot}%{_fontconfig_confdir}

install -m 0644 -p %{SOURCE1} \
%{buildroot}%{_fontconfig_templatedir}/%{fontconf}
ln -s %{_fontconfig_templatedir}/%{fontconf} \
  %{buildroot}%{_fontconfig_confdir}/%{fontconf}


%clean
rm -fr %{buildroot}


%_font_pkg -f %{fontconf} Aegean.otf

%doc Aegean.txt


%changelog
* Mon Oct 19 2009 Robin Sonefors ozam...@flukkost.nu - 3.01-1
- Fix description, License string
* Thu Oct 15 2009 Robin Sonefors ozam...@flukkost.nu - 3.01-1
- Initial packaging


Index: .cvsignore
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/gdouros-aegean-fonts/devel/.cvsignore,v
retrieving revision 1.1
retrieving revision 1.2
diff -u -p -r1.1 -r1.2
--- .cvsignore  22 Oct 2009 04:49:14 -  1.1
+++ .cvsignore  22 Oct 2009 15:52:23 -  1.2
@@ -0,0 +1 @@
+Aegean.zip


Index: sources
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/gdouros-aegean-fonts/devel/sources,v
retrieving revision 1.1
retrieving revision 1.2
diff -u -p -r1.1 -r1.2
--- sources 22 Oct 2009 04:49:14 -  1.1
+++ sources 22 Oct 2009 15:52:24 -  1.2
@@ -0,0 +1 @@
+36201de0f8a523a3c002bb8619fc9da9  Aegean.zip

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[Bug 508899] Monospace no more

2009-10-22 Thread bugzilla
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--- Comment #12 from Behdad Esfahbod besfa...@redhat.com  2009-10-22 11:57:43 
EDT ---
I believe this is fixed in freetype 2.3.10.  Building in rawhide.

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[Bug 511580] FTBFS fonts-KOI8-R-1.0-11.fc11

2009-10-22 Thread bugzilla
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Matt Domsch matt_dom...@dell.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED
 CC||matt_dom...@dell.com
 Resolution||RAWHIDE




--- Comment #8 from Matt Domsch matt_dom...@dell.com  2009-10-22 13:48:26 EDT 
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http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=117606

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[Bug 529594] pango uses different fonts for LATIN and COMMON glyphs

2009-10-22 Thread bugzilla
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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=529594





--- Comment #20 from Behdad Esfahbod besfa...@redhat.com  2009-10-22 15:04:59 
EDT ---
Maybe someone can first describe what the problem is, without jumping to
patching...   My best guess so far is:

In CJK locales, the Latin glyphs should be selected from the same font as the
CJK glyphs, if the font supports that.

If that's the problem, it's an old one, and one that we don't have a solution
for just yet.  Requires this before it can be fixed:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17311

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