rawhide report: 20091030 changes
Compose started at Fri Oct 30 06:15:14 UTC 2009 Broken deps for i386 -- gnome-applet-timer-2.1.2-4.fc12.i686 requires gnome-audio 1:nant-0.85-30.fc12.i686 requires mono(NDoc.Core) = 0:1.3.3498.0 Broken deps for x86_64 -- gnome-applet-timer-2.1.2-4.fc12.x86_64 requires gnome-audio 1:nant-0.85-30.fc12.x86_64 requires mono(NDoc.Core) = 0:1.3.3498.0 Broken deps for ppc -- gnome-applet-timer-2.1.2-4.fc12.ppc requires gnome-audio Broken deps for ppc64 -- gnome-applet-timer-2.1.2-4.fc12.ppc64 requires gnome-audio New package javatar Java tar archive io package New package knm-new-fixed-fonts 12x12 JIS X 0208 Bitmap fonts New package perl-Makefile-DOM Simple DOM parser for Makefiles New package qbrew A Brewing Recipe Calculator Updated Packages: LabPlot-1.6.0.2-8.fc12 -- * Wed Oct 28 2009 Kevin Kofler ke...@tigcc.ticalc.org - 1.6.0.2-8 - fix FTBFS with current GSL (GSL_CONST_CGSM_GAUSS undefined, patch from Debian) * Sat Oct 24 2009 Kevin Kofler ke...@tigcc.ticalc.org - 1.6.0.2-7 - drop ExcludeArch ppc64, OCaml is available for ppc64 these days * Tue Sep 22 2009 Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us - 1.6.0.2-6 - ExcludeArch s390 s390x and sparc64 no ocaml * Fri Jul 24 2009 Fedora Release Engineering rel-...@lists.fedoraproject.org - 1.6.0.2-5 - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Mass_Rebuild * Mon Feb 23 2009 Fedora Release Engineering rel-...@lists.fedoraproject.org - 1.6.0.2-4 - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Mass_Rebuild abiword-2.8.1-1.fc12 * Thu Oct 29 2009 Marc Maurer u...@abisource.com - 1:2.8.1-1 - New upstream release * Mon Oct 26 2009 Marc Maurer u...@abisource.com - 1:2.8.0-1 - New upstream release * Mon Oct 26 2009 Marc Maurer u...@abisource.com - 1:2.8.0-2 - Build with --enable-dynamic audacious-plugins-2.1-10.fc12 - * Thu Oct 29 2009 Michael Schwendt mschwe...@fedoraproject.org - 2.1-10 - Remove decode_thread from sndfile plugin to fix playback. * Mon Oct 26 2009 Michael Schwendt mschwe...@fedoraproject.org - 2.1-9 - Let buffer_time_min in underruns patch depend on default buffer size. * Sun Oct 25 2009 Michael Schwendt mschwe...@fedoraproject.org - 2.1-8 - Patch modplug plugin to remove old cruft and fix playback. avogadro-1.0.0-1.fc12 - * Thu Oct 29 2009 Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com 1.0.0-1 - update to new upstream release biniax-1.2-7.fc12 - * Mon Oct 26 2009 Simon Wesp cassmod...@fedoraproject.org - 1.2-7 - Re-import to Fedora blam-1.8.5-19.fc12 -- * Tue Oct 27 2009 Jan Horak jho...@redhat.com - 1.8.5-19 - Rebuild against newer gecko bluez-4.56-1.fc12 - * Sat Oct 10 2009 Bastien Nocera bnoc...@redhat.com 4.56-1 - Update to 4.56 * Fri Oct 09 2009 Bastien Nocera bnoc...@redhat.com 4.55-3 - Update cable pairing plugin to use libudev * Wed Oct 07 2009 Bastien Nocera bnoc...@redhat.com 4.55-2 - Enable caps lowering brltty-4.1-1.fc12 - * Wed Oct 28 2009 Stepan Kasal ska...@redhat.com - 4.1-1 - new upstream version - use --disable-stripping instead of make variable override - install the default brltty-pm.conf to docdir only (#526168) - remove the duplicate copies of rhmkboot and rhmkroot from docdir - patch configure so that the dirs in summary are not garbled: brltty-autoconf-quote.patch * Tue Oct 20 2009 Stepan Kasal ska...@redhat.com - 4.0-2 - escape rpm macros in the rpm change log - add requires to bind subpackages from one build together * Wed Oct 07 2009 Stepan Kasal ska...@redhat.com - 4.0-1 - new upstream version - drop upstreamed patches; ./autogen not needed anymore - pack the xbrlapi server; move its man page to brlapi package - add man-page for brltty.conf (#526168) control-center-2.28.1-4.fc12 * Thu Oct 29 2009 Bastien Nocera bnoc...@redhat.com 2.28.1-4 - Fix metacity keybindings showing up under compiz empathy-2.28.1.1-3.fc12 --- * Thu Oct 29 2009 Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com - 2.28.1.1-3 - Escape notifications - Fix a crash due to refcounting issues evince-2.28.1-5.fc12 * Thu Oct 29 2009 Marek Kasik mka...@redhat.com - 2.28.1-5 - Add backported patch evince-aspect-ratio.patch (#531430). - Preserve aspect ratio of scaled pages and set page orientation - automatically (gnome bugs #599468 and #599470) fedora-logos-12.0.3-1.fc12 -- * Thu Oct 29 2009 Tom spot Callaway tcall...@redhat.com - 12.0.3-1 - Update to 12.0.3, yet another name for system-software-install icons file-roller-2.28.1-2.fc12 - * Thu Oct 29 2009 Matthias
Re: Font rendering slightly degraded in recent rawhide
Dne 29.10.2009 15:34, Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a): It is well known that some old fonts like Microsoft core fonts have bad/buggy hinting (MS hides the problem by adding font-specific workarounds in its text stack). They should certainly never be used to evaluate if a general default is good or not. (that is also something to consider before activating the patented bytecode engine: in-fonts hints are not necessarily better than what freetype auto-computes in many cases) I don't think we should back progress in order to be friendly to buggy closed Microsoft fonts. I know they are quite common outside of the Linux world, but I think a) our free fonts are now so good, that we could limit ourselves to this FSF-nirvana ghetto, it doesn't cost that much, b) many modern fonts (e.g., my preferred Inconsolata) just rely on real hinting being present, and it doesn't work that well with auto-hinter. Just because of this font, I have switched to freefont-freeworld and I cannot be more happy with it. Really looking forward to Behdad freeing us from the old freefont stuff. Matěj -- http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/, Jabber: mceplatceplovi.cz GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC One reason that life is complex is that it has a real part and an imaginary part. -- Andrew König -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Font rendering slightly degraded in recent rawhide
Matěj Cepl mc...@redhat.com writes: I don't think we should back progress in order to be friendly to buggy closed Microsoft fonts. I know they are quite common outside of the Linux world, but I think a) our free fonts are now so good, that we could limit ourselves to this FSF-nirvana ghetto, it doesn't cost that much, b) many modern fonts (e.g., my preferred Inconsolata) just rely on real hinting being present, and it doesn't work that well with auto-hinter. Just because of this font, I have switched to freefont-freeworld and I cannot be more happy with it. It would be nice if fonts like Inconsolata somehow set a flag that they require hinting. This would prevent the side effects on old fonts. Your post prompted me to try out Inconsolata in F11. I do not find the Inconsolata hinting all that impressive though. No hinting at all is indeed horrible. With full hinting, the g gets deformed on my screen, where it is quite good with medium hinting. The vertical stroke in the a is quite wide and distracting no matter which hinting is chosen. Back to DejaVu Sans Mono Book. /Benny -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Wi-Fi Interface Question
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 01:17:09PM -0400, Martin Dubuc wrote: How is it possible to figure out what driver is associated with which interface. We used to have some of this information available in /sys/config/hwconf. I am especially interested to know details of Wi-Fi interfaces (for instance ath5k or iwlagn). 2.6.33 will introduce ethtool support for mac80211-based wireless devices (which is most of them). Prior to that, 'ls -l /sys/class/net/wlan0/device/driver' is at least minimally informative. Hth! John -- John W. LinvilleLinux should be at the core linvi...@redhat.com of your literate lifestyle. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: rawhide report: 20091030 changes
Rawhide Report wrote: gnome-applet-timer-2.1.2-4.fc12.i686 requires gnome-audio That dependency was added to fix a missing file, but the problem is that that package got retired in F12. See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=531877#c4 for details and a suggested fix. 1:nant-0.85-30.fc12.i686 requires mono(NDoc.Core) = 0:1.3.3498.0 This one still needs attention from a Mono person to fix the rebuild. (A rebuild would be all that's needed, but the problem is that it's failing to build. http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/getfile?taskID=1777541name=build.log ) Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: rawhide report: 20091030 changes
On 10/30/2009 11:00 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: 1:nant-0.85-30.fc12.i686 requires mono(NDoc.Core) = 0:1.3.3498.0 This one still needs attention from a Mono person to fix the rebuild. (A rebuild would be all that's needed, but the problem is that it's failing to build. http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/getfile?taskID=1777541name=build.log ) Nant (and several other members of the mono stack) have to be carefully built in a two-stage process (bootstrap, unbootstrap). I'll do it today. ~spot -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: texlive 2009 - should set TEXMFCNF?
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 05:26:25PM +, Jonathan Underwood wrote: 2009/10/29 Jindrich Novy jn...@redhat.com: Currently I'm trying to not to replace any package that has a separate upstream and is already packaged separatelly in Fedora. IMO I think we'd be better off adopting the texlive versions of the packages, rather than doing a half-and-half job on this by packaging individual upstreams. The reason being that Fedora then benefits from the integration and testing work done by the texlive team. The texlive xdvipdfmx, for example is (I think), ahead of the 0.4 upstream release. J. Ok, no problem with obsoleting a Fedora package with a TeX Live variant if you, as a package maintainer of it, wish to. I will add Obsoletes for xdvipdfmx. I'm presenting a complete list of packages shipped in TeX Live to discuss another possible obsoletions: dvipdfm dvipdfmx getafm lcdftypetools psutils t1utils xdvi dvipng xdvipdfmx If you think that also some of these packages in Fedora should be obsoleted, please let me know and I will do so in the next TL repo update. Thanks, Jindrich -- Jindrich Novy jn...@redhat.com http://people.redhat.com/jnovy/ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: rawhide report: 20091030 changes
On 10/30/2009 12:03 PM, Tom spot Callaway wrote:
On 10/30/2009 11:00 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
1:nant-0.85-30.fc12.i686 requires mono(NDoc.Core) = 0:1.3.3498.0
This one still needs attention from a Mono person to fix the rebuild. (A
rebuild would be all that's needed, but the problem is that it's failing to
build.
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/getfile?taskID=1777541name=build.log )
Nant (and several other members of the mono stack) have to be carefully
built in a two-stage process (bootstrap, unbootstrap). I'll do it today.
In case I get eaten by raptors (or someone else has to do this task in
the future), here's the gory details:
Nant is extremely sensitive about any changes made to its underlying
dependencies, specifically log4net, mono-nunit22, and mono-sharpcvslib.
Sometimes (possibly all the time), when these packages get rebuilt, or a
butterfly flaps its wings in Beijing, their symbols or locations in the
GAC change slightly, and nant will refuse to rebuild with the log error
you got above:
[csc] The assembly was not found in the Global Assembly Cache, a
path listed in the MONO_PATH environment variable, or in the location of
the executing assembly
(/builddir/build/BUILD/nant-0.85/build/mono-2.0.unix/nant-0.85-debug/bin/lib/).
[csc] **
(/usr/lib/pkgconfig/../../lib/mono/2.0/gmcs.exe:7194): WARNING **: Could
not load file or assembly 'log4net, Version=1.2.10.0, Culture=neutral,
PublicKeyToken=135942c6bc33ad08' or one of its dependencies.
[csc] **
(/usr/lib/pkgconfig/../../lib/mono/2.0/gmcs.exe:7194): WARNING **:
Missing method .ctor in assembly
/builddir/build/BUILD/nant-0.85/build/mono-2.0.unix/nant-0.85-debug/bin/lib/ICSharpCode.SharpCvsLib.dll,
type log4net.Config.XmlConfiguratorAttribute
[csc] **
(/usr/lib/pkgconfig/../../lib/mono/2.0/gmcs.exe:7194): WARNING **: Can't
find custom attr constructor image:
/builddir/build/BUILD/nant-0.85/build/mono-2.0.unix/nant-0.85-debug/bin/lib/ICSharpCode.SharpCvsLib.dll
mtoken: 0x0af4
[csc] **
(/usr/lib/pkgconfig/../../lib/mono/2.0/gmcs.exe:7194): WARNING **: Could
not load file or assembly 'log4net, Version=1.2.10.0, Culture=neutral,
PublicKeyToken=135942c6bc33ad08' or one of its dependencies.
Here's how to fix it.
1. Set %{bootstrap} to 1 in nant.spec. Minor release increment in
nant.spec. Rebuild. {Tag package in buildroot}
2. Increment release in mono-nunit22.spec. Rebuild. {Tag package in
buildroot}
3. Increment release in log4net.spec. Rebuild. {Tag package in buildroot}
4. Increment release in mono-sharpcvslib.spec. Rebuild. {Tag package in
buildroot}
5. Reset %{bootstrap} to 0 in nant.spec. Major release increment in
nant.spec (drop minor). Rebuild (nant should now build cleanly).
This is easier to do with a chain build, but since chain builds only
work for unfrozen rawhide...I'm having to do this by hand.
~spot
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misguided flash player warning?
After updating Firefox it gave me the You should update Adobe Flash Player right now. page. However, I already have the latest version (10.0.32.18). I don't see anything newer. Am I missing something, or is Firefox just getting it wrong? -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: misguided flash player warning?
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Mike McLean mikem@gmail.com wrote: After updating Firefox it gave me the You should update Adobe Flash Player right now. page. However, I already have the latest version (10.0.32.18). I don't see anything newer. Am I missing something, or is Firefox just getting it wrong? My wife got that on her Windows machine that already had the latest version of Adobe Flash installed. I got that on my Fedora machine with no version of Adobe Flash at all (although I do have swfdec installed). Perhaps Firefox is showing that page to everybody. -- Jerry James http://www.jamezone.org/ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Which was first Webkit/Epiphany release version
2.24? 2.25? 2.26? 2.27? (my guess) 2.28? And, when did the switch from Gecko happen? F10? F11? F12? -- A patriot without religion . . . is as great a paradox, as an honest man without the fear of God. . . . 2nd U.S. President, John Adams Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: rawhide report: 20091030 changes
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 13:16:03 -0400, Tom spot Callaway tcall...@redhat.com wrote: In case I get eaten by raptors (or someone else has to do this task in the future), here's the gory details: I don't think I need to know the gory details of you being eaten by raptors. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: rawhide report: 20091030 changes
I wrote: Rawhide Report wrote: gnome-applet-timer-2.1.2-4.fc12.i686 requires gnome-audio That dependency was added to fix a missing file, but the problem is that that package got retired in F12. See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=531877#c4 for details and a suggested fix. This got fixed by the maintainer (Christoph Wickert) in 2.1.2-5.fc12 and the fixed build is already tagged f12-final, thanks! 1:nant-0.85-30.fc12.i686 requires mono(NDoc.Core) = 0:1.3.3498.0 This one still needs attention from a Mono person to fix the rebuild. (A rebuild would be all that's needed, but the problem is that it's failing to build. http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/getfile?taskID=1777541name=build.log ) spot replied he's taking care of this one, thanks! Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Which was first Webkit/Epiphany release version
2009/10/30 Felix Miata: 2.24? 2.25? 2.26? 2.27? (my guess) 2.28? And, when did the switch from Gecko happen? F10? F11? F12? This was epiphany-2.27.2-1.fc12: * Mon Jun 01 2009 Matthias Clasen mclasen redhat com - 2.27.2-1 - Update to 2.27.2 - Build against webkit instead of gecko -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Orphaning packages
On Friday 30 October 2009 09:01:39 am Mary Ellen Foster wrote: 2009/7/14 Conrad Meyer ceme...@u.washington.edu: I intend to orphan the JRuby package and some of the dependencies I don't believe anything else uses. It's a piece of software upstream really doesn't intend to be packaged, and bumping to new versions is a constant struggle. Furthermore, I don't have anymore use for it. Here is the list of packages I'll orphan sometime in the next week or so: - bytelist - constantine - jcodings - jline - jna-posix - joni - jvyamlb Hello! I'm sorry to come in three and a half months after the fact (does that mean that they'll all have to be re-reviewed? :( ), but jruby is a dependency of some Java stuff that I'm currently working on so I'd like to take over these packages. MEF They're all orphaned in pkgdb. I'm not sure what process you'll need to go through to take them over (at the least, you'll probably have to talk to rel- eng to get the dead.package's removed). Regards, -- Conrad Meyer ceme...@u.washington.edu -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Which was first Webkit/Epiphany release version
Epiphany switched to webkit by default since 2.27 series, for Fedora, it will be for F-12. Cheers, H. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: rawhide report: 20091030 changes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Tom spot Callaway wrote: On 10/30/2009 12:03 PM, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On 10/30/2009 11:00 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: 1:nant-0.85-30.fc12.i686 requires mono(NDoc.Core) = 0:1.3.3498.0 This one still needs attention from a Mono person to fix the rebuild. (A rebuild would be all that's needed, but the problem is that it's failing to build. http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/getfile?taskID=1777541name=build.log ) Nant (and several other members of the mono stack) have to be carefully built in a two-stage process (bootstrap, unbootstrap). I'll do it today. In case I get eaten by raptors (or someone else has to do this task in the future), here's the gory details: Don't worry, this[1] will protect you. ;) - --Ben [1]http://store.xkcd.com/xkcd/#NoRaptors -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJK6zdQAAoJEKaxavVX4C1X8zcQAO1tPOAVG+xYLCGNprzchXxQ 4KlnHOUDrkWAPVOOZXFEt1ITjvrCHAN7L2ZGP6K9UhKENmFxItDSRk6+9YJs+ucg o8Pyq1sul7bv+P4yHqcyMGUvq/Sc43YxnXkEhCRZpPRb+s5HJd0/5MioBm+AAZ8H o+IpZR3zSbODOFG+vCI8BgrGekJN//Z0cvjtdpdEn8xBYD9qmhcBQ8+FL+6tQsxO qz0cQtDiJyXv8H8XK4IB1R3mptWItStxORRFIlc2cMWFwmkmtfCYNWPWUOIv2Fm7 bSLw1b7bpKtjy8Qbr3t2vL4SvOsiFIUdPAEdQYU/pfEW0bF4HAaH8j05qxRU7kaq fkbCoCasMFWlWzfxnF7eI0TD2MiboL6HrVOHwALeTyf+dZxdn3dBVfCD+3biKWfv vrwhR6Qq0Z8tjKbT44R6hWVF4q2NyXhqlBl8Xx2XmPPFbPdjF0OYLW2dW9bHFSHz fMPMamKWo5BDzz45k6VlIY4XBcstmGsyHtvTGKRDKTBbQQAxQuhlccW+i+9p4QDv Vs+5FLNY2GIxuRTB/6t7JuQakC4GTN5IExkjh3PMxp4JYOqQu47BUpSLp78+cp9m GmReYcTiCsoUkMaKfM754MuMs0RKW1gQGtiPYnkbVtqj9b5uaRF7pIjhOqwx9sqK xqXg5sRPlcS45oWgFQO2 =x44Y -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Font rendering slightly degraded in recent rawhide
Le Ven 30 octobre 2009 13:59, Benny Amorsen a écrit : It would be nice if fonts like Inconsolata somehow set a flag that they require hinting. This would prevent the side effects on old fonts. This could technically be done in fontconfig IIRC but it would require a lot of unglamorous manual testing and triaging. Which no one is volunteering to do. And before we go there (tackle problems that require manual testing) there is a lot of font problems that can be detected automatically, and need fixing too. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: misguided flash player warning?
On 10/30/2009 11:34 AM, Mike McLean wrote: After updating Firefox it gave me the You should update Adobe Flash Player right now. page. However, I already have the latest version (10.0.32.18). I don't see anything newer. Am I missing something, or is Firefox just getting it wrong? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=523273 -- Orion Poplawski Technical Manager 303-415-9701 x222 NWRA/CoRA DivisionFAX: 303-415-9702 3380 Mitchell Lane or...@cora.nwra.com Boulder, CO 80301 http://www.cora.nwra.com -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Gnome panel crashes when changing color
It seems, whether you use the bottom panel, or change the top panel to be the bottom (speaking after an initial rawhide install), and go to properties and change the color of it, it crashes. It logs you out of gnome and into gdm, then fails to load and won't allow you to log in to gnome again. Anyone else seen this lately? -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY Best lil town on Earth! -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
2009-10-30 Fedora 12 blocker bug review meeting recap
(Scene: Curtain raises. A haggard figure stumbles in from stage left, blinking at the lights.) AdamW: Where am I? What year is this? WHO'S THE PRESIDENT?! FIN Yes, today's epic F12 blocker bug review meeting has finally ended. Some statistics: We reviewed 43 bugs in total. The meeting took 406 minutes, at an average of 9.44 Minutes Per Bug (MPB). Thanks to Marko Myllynen for suggesting the calculation. :) We reduced the number of open blocker bugs (excluding second-level blocker tracker bugs like the X, Anaconda, virtualization and KDE trackers) from 43 to 25. Of the remaining 25, there is one in NEW state, 11 ASSIGNED, and 13 MODIFIED. Here's the assignee breakdown for non-MODIFIED bugs: 2: Jerome Glisse, Adam Jackson 1: Dave Airlie, Ben Skeggs, Christoph Hellwig, David Zeuthen, William Jon McCann, Jiri Moskovc, Matthias Clasen (probably mis-assigned), Steve Dickson. We have plans in hand for most of the remaining NEW and ASSIGNED bugs, so overall the picture for getting all F12 blocker bugs resolved on time is reasonably rosy as long as we get stuff done over the weekend and early part of next week. You can always find the current blocker list at: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=473303hide_resolved=1 The summary of the meeting (highly recommended over the logs unless you have a LOT of time) is available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2009-10-30/fedora-bugzappers.2009-10-30-15.01.html . The full log - for those looking for an insomnia cure - is at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2009-10-30/fedora-bugzappers.2009-10-30-15.01.log.html . Huge thanks to James Laska, Jesse Keating, Ray Strode, Chuck Ebbert, Jerome Glisse, Will Woods, Denise Dumas, Matthias Clasen, Dave Airlie, Bill Nottingham, Filipe Rosset, Chris Lumens, Jeremy Katz, Marko Myllynen, Eric Paris, Paul Frields, Seth Vidal and Ben Williams for sticking around through Giganto-Meeting and providing all the necessary input, this one was a real team effort. If anyone has any ideas to reduce these meetings in time somewhat, they would be greatly welcomed on test-list. I can't think of much that wouldn't involve someone taking more executive decisions pre-meeting, though. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Gnome panel crashes when changing color
On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 17:31 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote: It seems, whether you use the bottom panel, or change the top panel to be the bottom (speaking after an initial rawhide install), and go to properties and change the color of it, it crashes. It logs you out of gnome and into gdm, then fails to load and won't allow you to log in to gnome again. Anyone else seen this lately? If your panel crashes, that does not end your session. Try it: killall -SEGV gnome-panel If your session ends, most likely the X server crashed. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: misguided flash player warning?
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009, Mike McLean wrote: After updating Firefox it gave me the You should update Adobe Flash Player right now. page. However, I already have the latest version (10.0.32.18). I don't see anything newer. Am I missing something, or is Firefox just getting it wrong? I had time, and about:plugins claimed it was an older version. I fixed it by deleting the /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins-wrapped/nswrapper_32_64.libflashplayer.so file, which was enough to prod firefox into recognizing the right version. Michael Young -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Gnome panel crashes when changing color
On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 15:48 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 18:34 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 17:31 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote: It seems, whether you use the bottom panel, or change the top panel to be the bottom (speaking after an initial rawhide install), and go to properties and change the color of it, it crashes. It logs you out of gnome and into gdm, then fails to load and won't allow you to log in to gnome again. Anyone else seen this lately? If your panel crashes, that does not end your session. Try it: killall -SEGV gnome-panel If your session ends, most likely the X server crashed. ...in which case, boot to initlevel 3, login, startx, reproduce the bug if you can, if it dumps you back to the console, take a copy of /var/log/Xorg.0.log before starting X again. Error messages should be in there. No errors in there that I could find. But in my .xsession-errors file there are plenty, which is attached. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY Best lil town on Earth! .xsession-errors.old Description: application/trash -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Font rendering slightly degraded in recent rawhide
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:44:51 +0100, Christoph Frieben christoph.frie...@googlemail.com wrote: I had already pointed out that this issue also affects the current default system font. Let's see what other people out there think about this issue. It's not like you are the supreme judge in this matter, and it's also not the first time that you show up as a hotspur on this mailing list .. My default system font looks better than 2 days ago, although not by much. I'd be fine with any setting. Is it what you're asking? -- Pete -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
What to do with package that wants to use sse?
I am working on packaging pagedgeometry and I noticed that when building on gcc it passes -msse which I am guessing says to use sse instructions. I think that even in F12 we can't assume these instructions are available. The package may gain a lot of benefit from using those instructions. (I haven't tested that yet as I am still pretty early in the process.) Is there some relatively standard way to handle something like this? -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: What to do with package that wants to use sse?
On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 23:07 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: I am working on packaging pagedgeometry and I noticed that when building on gcc it passes -msse which I am guessing says to use sse instructions. I think that even in F12 we can't assume these instructions are available. The package may gain a lot of benefit from using those instructions. (I haven't tested that yet as I am still pretty early in the process.) Is there some relatively standard way to handle something like this? You should always adjust any build process which wants to use custom compiler flags to use the standard Fedora flags. Well-written build systems allow you to set compiler flags trivially with a parameter or environment variable. Badly-written ones hard-code their preferred flags and require you to patch before you can pass in the Fedora flags. In the latter case, patch the build system and send the patch upstream. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
[Bug 529637] [gu_IN]fontconfig suggests Lohit Gujarati when requesting a font that supports '1', but Lohit Gujarati doesn't have that glyph
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=529637 --- Comment #5 from Caolan McNamara caol...@redhat.com 2009-10-30 06:39:46 EDT --- *** Bug 529521 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Issue 105084] OpenSymbol font: Math related changes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=105084 --- Additional comments from i...@openoffice.org Fri Oct 30 16:43:11 + 2009 --- I have adapted almost all topics of TL's Req. Document. New Version of the font is attached. Please not that some things will still be strange (e.g. some capital greek letters) - until TL changes the Math code. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Issue 105084] OpenSymbol font: Math related changes
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=105084 --- Additional comments from i...@openoffice.org Fri Oct 30 16:44:43 + 2009 --- Created an attachment (id=65806) new Version (1.99) of OpenSymbol Font - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 70132] Support @font-face
Do not reply to this email. You can add comments to this bug at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70132 --- Comment #202 from David E. Ross da...@rossde.com 2009-10-30 21:18:04 PDT --- Then this capability should be in SeaMonkey 2.0, which uses Gecko 1.9.1.4. Is that correct? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 70132] Support @font-face
Do not reply to this email. You can add comments to this bug at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70132 --- Comment #203 from Kyle Huey m...@kylehuey.com 2009-10-30 21:28:31 PDT --- (In reply to comment #202) Then this capability should be in SeaMonkey 2.0, which uses Gecko 1.9.1.4. Is that correct? Yes. See http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0b1/changes (Ctrl-F for font-face) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 531105] Useless font auto-installer calls
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=531105 Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|MODIFIED CC||mcla...@redhat.com Flag|needinfo? | --- Comment #8 from Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com 2009-10-31 00:32:46 EDT --- Tag has been requested -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
What would be considered a fault in font encodings?
I'm new here, so a paragraph of introduction first. I've just dug some fonts I created over a decade ago off some old disks and I thought I'd find out how to publish them and use them in Fedora, which led me to the Fonts SIG pages, and this list. So far, I've updated the first font using FontForge, and I'm now looking at publishing it on openfontlibrary.org before trying to package it. I've been reading the Fonts SIG pages, taking notes on common packaging errors by reading the package reviews, and examining existing fonts, which leads me to my first problem. I've downloaded a load of Fedora 11 font packages and I've been examining them in Fontmatrix, being nosy about licence and description metadata, and I found that BrettFont's name doesn't display properly in Fontmatrix; the BrettFont Regular shows up with the notdef square where the space should be. I was wondering whether this was a fault in the font or Fontmatrix, so I pulled brettfont.ttf into FontForge, and it spat these errors: The glyph named space is mapped to U+00A0. But its name indicates it should be mapped to U+0020. The glyph named hyphen is mapped to U+00AD. But its name indicates it should be mapped to U+002D. The glyph named semicolon is mapped to U+037E. But its name indicates it should be mapped to U+003B. The glyph named Delta is mapped to U+2206. But its name indicates it should be mapped to U+0394. I've used ttx from fonttools to dump the font and sure enough, space is only mapped to 0x20 in the Macintosh Roman (1,0) cmap -- in both the Unicode (0,3) and Microsoft Unicode (3,1) cmaps, space only maps to 0xa0, no break space. Because I'm new to TrueType and fontconfig, I assume that BrettFont appears to work in Inkscape because of glyph substitution. As an aside, ttx won't dump BrettFont correctly, even with Agira Tagoh's patch from BZ 512504, because there's another problem with the gasp table. I guess I've got two fault reports to raise already, but I wanted to check whether I'd done anything stupid in all the above, and I wondered whether loading a font into FontForge and raising errors upstream would be part of the normal workflow of a font packager? Are there any reports from FontForge that are thought to be too pedantic to bother with? Sorry, lots of questions in one post! Paul. ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Re: What would be considered a fault in font encodings?
Le Ven 30 octobre 2009 16:02, Paul Flo Williams a écrit : Welcome Paul, And thank you for this very interesting message I guess I've got two fault reports to raise already, but I wanted to check whether I'd done anything stupid in all the above, and I wondered whether loading a font into FontForge and raising errors upstream would be part of the normal workflow of a font packager? Are there any reports from FontForge that are thought to be too pedantic to bother with? Fonts are a technical/artistic object. To be honest, the technical quality of FLOSS fonts vary wildly and some are very poor. This is due to many factors: A. the requirements are complex and evolving — the font standards are complex and evolving (opentype, unicode, cid tables, etc). If one does not allocate resources to maintenance, a font file will slowly become irrelevant, even if it was perfect to start with. But all to often, authors release fonts as abandon-ware — the technical environment changes: today's screens and printers are not the same as a decade ago, the font libs have been replaced in all OSes and do not care about the same elements as before — font usage changes too: languages that were irrelevant before (because no software could manage them) are now widely used, gimp/inkscape/scribus means complex documents can now be produced by more than the small minority that can afford Adobe prices (and can buy font collections) B. FLOSS font authors are poorly equipped to deal with them — many font authors have an artistic, not technical background — many font authors still create fonts in isolation (the lone brilliant artist myth), and therefore do not benefit from the support and structuring larger organizations can provide — the tooling, frankly, sucks (I believe this is also the case proprietary side, foundries manage thanks to better organization) C. FLOSS hackers did not help a lot. Hackers have very low font needs: code is ASCII only, does not need scaling, does not need font effects, so a simple bitmap monospace ascii font with a single regular face will make them happy. Many of them do not understand to this day the complexity required to satisfy the needs of other normal users. So they write countless video players or mail apps, but very few of them even think about the text rendering part. We do have several examples that show technically excellent complex FLOSS fonts are possible (DejaVu, SIL fonts, etc) but they are very much the exception. I believe distributions could play a key role here by helping font authors to identify the problems in their fonts, what the low hanging fruits are, what are the conventions worth following. They should also help relay font author wishes tooling-side, and help relay font lib writers wishes font author-side. This is what they already routinely do for code; there is no reason they could not do it for other technical objects such as fonts (plus they need to do it: if we continue to rely on the GNOME Foundation, Red Hat, or Google, to buy expensive closed fonts, and re-license them, there is no way we'll be able to compete with desktops that include much wider font offerings by default in the long term). But, this is a could. Lots of work needs to be done for this to happen. We need to identify the technical problems that need fixing. We need to write tests to find them in fonts. We need to communicate the results to font authors. We need to document the usual way to fix each of them. As a first step, I've spent the last months writing an auditing script in my free time. Yesterday I did a fist mailing based on this script. http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fontpackages.git?p=fontpackages.git;a=history;f=bin/repo-font-audit It is by no means complete or perfect. There are many problems I do not test for. Some tests (such as fontlint) are woefully inadequate: fontlint will error on problems we do not really care about (because they're so prevalent font libs learnt to workaround them), but only warn about metadata problems that can be fixed easily and are inter-operability problems (how do you share a document that references a particular font, if its name is not the same on every system?). Fontlint will also generally forget to tell you what the consequences of X or Y are and how one could fix it. Still, it is way better than we had before. Before, we had nothing. Unfortunately, the feedback so far has been negative and hostile. People who packaged a static font blob thinking it needed no maintenance do not like discovering it needs some. Sometimes they are aggressive because upstream vanished and so they feel they can not do anything. Sometimes they have problems understanding the messages the script output. It is very hard to overcome inertia and bad habits. The current font situation is bad but doing nothing and shooting the messenger is always an attractive proposition. I could really use help to improve the wording of my audit messages, so they are clearer to the
Various Calendars
Is there a way that we can add new calendars to be available as system optional calendars the two important calendars i'm thinking about are: 1- Hijri (Islamic) Calendar -- widely used in all Islamic Countries 2- Indian National Calendar -- widely used in India regards -- Tareq Al Jurf Fedora Ambassador Riyadh, Saudi Arabia talj...@fedoraproject.org ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Various Calendars
On 30/10/09 06:51, Tareq Al Jurf wrote: Is there a way that we can add new calendars to be available as system optional calendars the two important calendars i'm thinking about are: 1- Hijri (Islamic) Calendar -- widely used in all Islamic Countries 2- Indian National Calendar -- widely used in India regards -- Tareq Al Jurf Fedora Ambassador Riyadh, Saudi Arabia talj...@fedoraproject.org mailto:talj...@fedoraproject.org ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list Tareq, I believe the calendars were supposed to serve one purpose, namely, giving people the opportunity to sync to these calendars, so we can keep track of our Fedora meetings and events. They are not meant for any personal purpose. As I understand it. But if you feel, that such calendars might be more useful to some contributors, feel free to come up with solutions/ideas, and maybe somebody can implement them. Anything that makes a contributors life easier is always welcome. Regards, Tristan -- Tristan Santore BSc MBCS TS4523-RIPE Network and Infrastructure Operations InterNexusConnect Mobile +44-78-55069812 tristan.sant...@internexusconnect.net Thawte Notary For Fedora related issues, please email me at: tsant...@fedoraproject.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
[OT] any good online doc for the details of compiling hello, world?
not really a fedora question, but i'm interested in a step-by-step description of what happens when one compiles and runs hello, world. it's sort of a fedora question since i want to relate those steps to the essential fedora packages and where they come into play (gcc, cpp, glibc-devel, libgcc, and so on), related to things like crtbegin, crtend, etc. i'm thinking you get the idea. i wanted to write a short tutorial showing how that process works, adding in usage of nm, readelf and/or objdump to describe what happens at each step. is there anything out there something like that? thanks. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
[OT]: bash command help - nohup
Hi, I'm trying to run mutliple commands from the command line while using nohup. But I can't seem to get the syntax right, can someone please correct this for me nohup cmd 1;cm2;cmd3 All i get is that cmd1 runs from wiht nohup but the rest run in my current shell. I'd like all to be run with the single nohup command, any thoughts? Thanks Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: : bash command help - nohup
On 30Oct2009 09:42, Dan Track dan.tr...@gmail.com wrote: | Hi, | | I'm trying to run mutliple commands from the command line while using | nohup. But I can't seem to get the syntax right, can someone please | correct this for me | | nohup cmd 1;cm2;cmd3 | | All i get is that cmd1 runs from wiht nohup but the rest run in my | current shell. I'd like all to be run with the single nohup command, | any thoughts? Syntacticly that's three command. A semicolon is like a newline, so its as though you've typed: nohup cmd 1 cmd2 cmd3 Since nohup expects one command, you need one command. SInce you want three, invoke the shell as your command: nohup sh -c 'cmd1; cmd2; cmd3' Cheers, -- Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au DoD#743 http://www.cskk.ezoshosting.com/cs/ There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. - Benjamin Disraeli -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [OT] any good online doc for the details of compiling hello, world?
On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 02:36 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: not really a fedora question, but i'm interested in a step-by-step description of what happens when one compiles and runs hello, world. it's sort of a fedora question since i want to relate those steps to the essential fedora packages and where they come into play (gcc, cpp, glibc-devel, libgcc, and so on), related to things like crtbegin, crtend, etc. i'm thinking you get the idea. Maybe not exactly what you're looking for but I read this book a few years ago: http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/pgubook/ It's now available under the GNU FDL (although I think a print edition is still available). It covers basic programming using assembler and picks apart classic examples like Hello World at the instruction level. Regards, Bryn. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: : bash command help - nohup
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote: On 30Oct2009 09:42, Dan Track dan.tr...@gmail.com wrote: | Hi, | | I'm trying to run mutliple commands from the command line while using | nohup. But I can't seem to get the syntax right, can someone please | correct this for me | | nohup cmd 1;cm2;cmd3 | | All i get is that cmd1 runs from wiht nohup but the rest run in my | current shell. I'd like all to be run with the single nohup command, | any thoughts? Syntacticly that's three command. A semicolon is like a newline, so its as though you've typed: nohup cmd 1 cmd2 cmd3 Since nohup expects one command, you need one command. SInce you want three, invoke the shell as your command: nohup sh -c 'cmd1; cmd2; cmd3' Cheers, Hi Cameron, Many thanks for that gem. Cheers -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
FC11 logging in as root - FC10 change not enough?
At times I find I need to login as root. For example, as a regular user su to root, then start gedit from that terminal session. Look at all the errors generated. And at least in FC10, I could still change preferences, but in FC11, they all come up grey. There are other things in gnome that don't launch right from an SUed terminal session. So when I want to 'fix' things, I find it better to just log in as root. So in FC10, I learned to edit (with VI cause at least THAT works in the SU terminal session) /etc/pam.d/gdm and trim off the end of the 2nd line that has pam_succeed_if.so Well I did that, and logged out as me and could not log in as root. So I rebooted (perhaps needed to restart some service) and still could not log in as root. So what is the magic incantation this time around? And why is it getting harder to enable this? Sigh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11 logging in as root - FC10 change not enough?
On Friday 30 October 2009 10:31:49 Robert Moskowitz wrote: At times I find I need to login as root. For example, as a regular user su to root, then start gedit from that terminal session. Look at all the errors generated. And at least in FC10, I could still change preferences, but in FC11, they all come up grey. There are other things in gnome that don't launch right from an SUed terminal session. So when I want to 'fix' things, I find it better to just log in as root. So in FC10, I learned to edit (with VI cause at least THAT works in the SU terminal session) /etc/pam.d/gdm and trim off the end of the 2nd line that has pam_succeed_if.so Well I did that, and logged out as me and could not log in as root. So I rebooted (perhaps needed to restart some service) and still could not log in as root. So what is the magic incantation this time around? And why is it getting harder to enable this? To make things more user-friendly ;-) Sigh. Do the same edit on /etc/pam.d/gdm-password Tony -- Dept. of Comp. Sci. University of Limerick. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11 logging in as root - FC10 change not enough?
Robert Moskowitz wrote: At times I find I need to login as root. For example, as a regular user su to root, then start gedit from that terminal session. Look at all the errors generated. And at least in FC10, I could still change preferences, but in FC11, they all come up grey. There are other things in gnome that don't launch right from an SUed terminal session. So when I want to 'fix' things, I find it better to just log in as root. I am logged in as a regular user I su - and run gedit. I got no errors and I can edit the preference just fine I think you are making the mistake of doing only su and not su -. So in FC10, I learned to edit (with VI cause at least THAT works in the SU terminal session) /etc/pam.d/gdm and trim off the end of the 2nd line that has pam_succeed_if.so Well I did that, and logged out as me and could not log in as root. So I rebooted (perhaps needed to restart some service) and still could not log in as root. So what is the magic incantation this time around? And why is it getting harder to enable this? Sigh. -- If the path be beautiful, let us not ask where it leads. -- Anatole France Guess Who! http://tinyurl.com/mc4xe7 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11 logging in as root - FC10 change not enough?
2009/10/30 Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com: At times I find I need to login as root. You really don't. For example, as a regular user su to root, then start gedit from that terminal session. Look at all the errors generated. And at least in FC10, I could still change preferences, but in FC11, they all come up grey. There are other things in gnome that don't launch right from an SUed terminal session. So when I want to 'fix' things, I find it better to just log in as root. I think you need to understand the difference between su and su -. But really you need to get to grips with sudo as a better replacement for su. Steps I always take on a new Fedora box to make my life easier. 1/ su - to become root. 2/ visudo to edit the sudoers file. 3/ Uncomment the first line referencing the wheel group. 4/ Save the file. 5/ Edit /etc/groups to add myself to the wheel group. 6/ Exit from su -. From that stage on, I never need su again. I can do anything I want (without the errors that you're seeing) using sudo some_command. hth, Dave... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11 logging in as root - FC10 change not enough?
Dave Cross wrote: 2009/10/30 Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com: At times I find I need to login as root. You really don't. For example, as a regular user su to root, then start gedit from that terminal session. Look at all the errors generated. And at least in FC10, I could still change preferences, but in FC11, they all come up grey. There are other things in gnome that don't launch right from an SUed terminal session. So when I want to 'fix' things, I find it better to just log in as root. I think you need to understand the difference between su and su -. But really you need to get to grips with sudo as a better replacement for su. Steps I always take on a new Fedora box to make my life easier. 1/ su - to become root. 2/ visudo to edit the sudoers file. 3/ Uncomment the first line referencing the wheel group. 4/ Save the file. 5/ Edit /etc/groups to add myself to the wheel group. 6/ Exit from su -. Is this better than just adding your userid to the sudoers file? And I will have to learn a bit about the difference between 'su' and 'su -'. From that stage on, I never need su again. I can do anything I want (without the errors that you're seeing) using sudo some_command. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11 logging in as root - FC10 change not enough?
2009/10/30 Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com: Dave Cross wrote: 2009/10/30 Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com: At times I find I need to login as root. You really don't. For example, as a regular user su to root, then start gedit from that terminal session. Look at all the errors generated. And at least in FC10, I could still change preferences, but in FC11, they all come up grey. There are other things in gnome that don't launch right from an SUed terminal session. So when I want to 'fix' things, I find it better to just log in as root. I think you need to understand the difference between su and su -. But really you need to get to grips with sudo as a better replacement for su. Steps I always take on a new Fedora box to make my life easier. 1/ su - to become root. 2/ visudo to edit the sudoers file. 3/ Uncomment the first line referencing the wheel group. 4/ Save the file. 5/ Edit /etc/groups to add myself to the wheel group. 6/ Exit from su -. Is this better than just adding your userid to the sudoers file? There's almost certainly a good reason for doing it this way that I've forgotten in the mists of time. Some ideas that spring to mind: * This has been a standard Unix approach for as long as I can remember. I was doing this on HP-UX systems almost twenty years ago. * I can use the same method on my own desktop as I use on a larger system where I want to give rights to multiple people. * I only need to edit sudoers once. From then on I can control permissions simply by editing membership of the group (which can be done with a GUI tool as well as by editing the text file). And I will have to learn a bit about the difference between 'su' and 'su -'. su - gives you a login shell. So it's as though you actually logged on as root. su just changes the user. It doesn't, for example, give you root's PATH. Let us know if you have any more questions. Dave... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [fedora-list] two major failures after yesterday updates - anyone else
Gabriel Ramirez wrote: On 10/29/2009 02:23 PM, Mike Cloaked wrote: In my wife's case she reported that when hitting the enter key to login under kdm the screen went black, and this was followed by a cursor at top right and repeated lines containing text, with nouveau_fifo_free:freeing fifo 1 So this appears to have been a graphics issue concerning the nouveau driver - however this evening I was able to boot this machine and am running on the previous kernel for safety. (2.6.30.8-64.fc11.i686.PAE) in the above case, maybe her mistyped her password in one ocassion and when typed it correctly , the machine got the following bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=506171 If password entered incorrectly in KDM, next successful login causes X server shutdown and hang maybe you can try to mistype your password and enter correctly with kernel 2.6.30.8-64 to discard kernel-2.6.30.9-90.fc11.i686.PAE as the cause The other machine is extinct - I cannot boot at all even to a liveCD so I can't investigate it. However at the time that failed there were weird graphics artifacts with multicoloured lines - and it is conceivable that it could have also been a graphics issue - on boot it puts port00: after the first message on the screen, and then some stuff on the screen (after the post check complets) but no boot - I tried partedmagic DVD but it won't boot at all. I suppose that the disc could have gone bad and over the weekend will replace the drive and see if that allows a boot and re-install - but I am out of ideas on that... however the nouveau failure on my wife's machine worries me if you disconnect the hard drive, maybe you can boot from a livecd, to see if the motherboard and video card are fine. I don't know if the livecd include the memttest maybe the sata cable failed or the sata port where the disk is connected failed, if you have a sata port free you can connect the hard drive in it if using uuids in the partitions Gabriel I would also try these (not necessarily in order): 1. reset you BIOS to defaults 2. you should be able to boot a CD. If you are trying a linux OS, try booting in single mode. An install CD in text mode should come up with a bad disk unless the disk is really messing around with the rest of the system. 3. try a fedora recovery disk. when it asks about finding/mounting existing systems, say no. then (assuming the disk is even seen) run the various smartctl commands and see what you can find out. 4. just for grins, try booting a msdos floppy, if you have one and have a floppy drive. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.39/2468 - Release Date: 10/29/09 19:49:00 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: two major failures after yesterday updates - anyone else
Bugzilla from gabriello.rami...@gmail.com wrote: in the above case, maybe her mistyped her password in one ocassion and when typed it correctly , the machine got the following bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=506171 If password entered incorrectly in KDM, next successful login causes X server shutdown and hang maybe you can try to mistype your password and enter correctly with kernel 2.6.30.8-64 to discard kernel-2.6.30.9-90.fc11.i686.PAE as the cause The other machine is extinct - I cannot boot at all even to a liveCD so I can't investigate it. However at the time that failed there were weird graphics artifacts with multicoloured lines - and it is conceivable that it could have also been a graphics issue - on boot it puts port00: after the first message on the screen, and then some stuff on the screen (after the post check complets) but no boot - I tried partedmagic DVD but it won't boot at all. I suppose that the disc could have gone bad and over the weekend will replace the drive and see if that allows a boot and re-install - but I am out of ideas on that... however the nouveau failure on my wife's machine worries me if you disconnect the hard drive, maybe you can boot from a livecd, to see if the motherboard and video card are fine. I don't know if the livecd include the memttest maybe the sata cable failed or the sata port where the disk is connected failed, if you have a sata port free you can connect the hard drive in it if using uuids in the partitions For your first comment about the response of the system to a mistyped password in kdm I was not aware of - I'll ask if this it was a second login attempt when I talk to her later - and yes i do have kdm as the login manager. The status of the bz you referred to linked to an upstream bug which has not had any reply since the end of August! On the suggestions for trying to boot a livecd - I did try and after the POST, it gave port 00: at the top of the screen and a line of stuff - but did nothing further. I now have a new replacement HD which I will install over the weekend and see if I can then boot a liveCD to configure it - I'll report back in due course. -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/two-major-failures-after-yesterday-updates---anyone-else-tp26109441p26129537.html Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Okular not printing in f11?
I just tried to print a pdf from Okular running in f11 - it appears not to see the network printers (I can print fine from Firefox) - anyone else see this? -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Okular-not-printing-in-f11--tp26129571p26129571.html Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
URL Redirection with FC11 with resolv.conf
is it possible to redirect URLs to othere in FC 11 may be using resolv.conf say on my pc if I try to open www.google.com it should be go to www.blackle.com ( in FF ) -- °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Jatin Khatri No MS -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11 logging in as root - FC10 change not enough?
Dave Cross wrote: 2009/10/30 Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com: Dave Cross wrote: 2009/10/30 Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com: At times I find I need to login as root. You really don't. For example, as a regular user su to root, then start gedit from that terminal session. Look at all the errors generated. And at least in FC10, I could still change preferences, but in FC11, they all come up grey. There are other things in gnome that don't launch right from an SUed terminal session. So when I want to 'fix' things, I find it better to just log in as root. I think you need to understand the difference between su and su -. But really you need to get to grips with sudo as a better replacement for su. Steps I always take on a new Fedora box to make my life easier. 1/ su - to become root. 2/ visudo to edit the sudoers file. 3/ Uncomment the first line referencing the wheel group. 4/ Save the file. 5/ Edit /etc/groups to add myself to the wheel group. 6/ Exit from su -. Is this better than just adding your userid to the sudoers file? There's almost certainly a good reason for doing it this way that I've forgotten in the mists of time. Some ideas that spring to mind: * This has been a standard Unix approach for as long as I can remember. I was doing this on HP-UX systems almost twenty years ago. * I can use the same method on my own desktop as I use on a larger system where I want to give rights to multiple people. * I only need to edit sudoers once. From then on I can control permissions simply by editing membership of the group (which can be done with a GUI tool as well as by editing the text file). OK. So I enable group wheel with visudo. Then I look into adding me to the group. I see the following files in /etc that have group wheel: group, group-, gshadow, and gshadow- You only said to add to group. With just an editor like VI? I went to SystemAdminister'Users and Groups' and went to the Groups tab. Wheel is NOT listed there. And I will have to learn a bit about the difference between 'su' and 'su -'. su - gives you a login shell. So it's as though you actually logged on as root. su just changes the user. It doesn't, for example, give you root's PATH. Let us know if you have any more questions. Dave... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11 logging in as root - FC10 change not enough?
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.comwrote: With just an editor like VI? I went to SystemAdminister'Users and Groups' and went to the Groups tab. Wheel is NOT listed there. When you have User Manager open, go to Edit - Preferences and uncheck the box that says Hide System Users and Groups. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11 logging in as root - FC10 change not enough?
2009/10/30 Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com: OK. So I enable group wheel with visudo. Then I look into adding me to the group. I see the following files in /etc that have group wheel: group, group-, gshadow, and gshadow- You only said to add to group. Yep. That's what I do. Just /etc/group. With just an editor like VI? I went to SystemAdminister'Users and Groups' and went to the Groups tab. Wheel is NOT listed there. No, that's right. I had never checked before. I just assumed it would be there. Sorry about that. I just use vi. Cheers, Dave... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
FC11 missing dependencies on a new install
I have just completed a new install on my ASUS ee 701 and now am trying to do a yum update. I am hitting some missing dependencies. I will TRY and get them all here, reading from one screen and typing here... python-nose by numpy kasumi by ibus-anthy python-enchant by ibus-pinyin jline by rhino yum suggests I use 0--skip-broken 'to work around the problem' Recommendations please? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11 logging in as root - FC10 change not enough?
On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 10:53 +, Dave Cross wrote: Steps I always take on a new Fedora box to make my life easier. 1/ su - to become root. In fact a simple su will do here. You're just editing a couple of files. 2/ visudo to edit the sudoers file. 3/ Uncomment the first line referencing the wheel group. 4/ Save the file. 5/ Edit /etc/groups to add myself to the wheel group. 6/ Exit from su -. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: URL Redirection with FC11 with resolv.conf
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 18:50:40 +0530, Jatin K ssh.fed...@gmail.com wrote: is it possible to redirect URLs to othere in FC 11 may be using resolv.conf say on my pc if I try to open www.google.com it should be go to www.blackle.com ( in FF ) Not really. You could point to some other dns server that has overrides for some domains. Another option would be to have http requests go through a proxy that would make that substitution. If it is just firefox you are worried about, you should be able to set default search engines (or just use a bookmark) there. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11 logging in as root - FC10 change not enough?
Mark Perew wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com mailto:r...@htt-consult.com wrote: With just an editor like VI? I went to SystemAdminister'Users and Groups' and went to the Groups tab. Wheel is NOT listed there. When you have User Manager open, go to Edit - Preferences and uncheck the box that says Hide System Users and Groups. hmm. Did that. No additional groups. Pressed refresh and the whirlybird has been going for over 5 min, and nothing in /var/log/messages to say what is wrong. I am logged in as root. What I did was init to 3, then did a startx. So I killed the program and tried to restart it. It starts then terminates. And no messages. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Lenovo X61S, bluetooth problem after kernel 2.6.30.x
There is some problemes regarding initializing bluetooth with the kernel 2.6.30.x. When the bluetooth doesn't work, the solution is to boot with an older kernel, such as 2.6.29.6. After that, you can reboot with the latest kernel-PAE-2.6.30.9-90.fc11.i686, which I'm using at the moment. What doew trigger the error to occure? That seems to be a Windows XP install on the same machine. So, dual booting first into Windows, logging in and using it a bit, then boot back into Linux with an 2.6.30.x kernel, the bluetooth doesn't work at all. Hope this could be fixed, along with some sound issues on the same system. The system beep doesn't work, also tied to 2.6.30.x kernels. Lars -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Installation Problem
I am trying to install Fedora 11 to a 2nd harddrive in my system. I have an EMachine 3.20 GHz with 1 Gig Ram. It gets to waiting for hardware to initialize (or something like that) then just sits there. I saw on the forum where someone posted a similar message. The only response he received said to try running a live CD to check hardware compatability. I did that. I get a message saying automatic boot in 10 seconds that counts down. Then I get a blank screen with a flashing cursor and thats as far as it goes. Does this mean I'm not going to be able to install Fedora on my system? I have a copy of Ubuntu that seems to install ok but I would much rather have Fedora. Can someone plz help me get this installed? Thank you Robt C Parrish Sr I will neither define nor debate the moral values, convictions, standards and priorities which govern my life. But, I will defend my right to live my life according to them. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Okular not printing in f11?
Mike Cloaked wrote: I just tried to print a pdf from Okular running in f11 - it appears not to see the network printers (I can print fine from Firefox) - anyone else see this? Not here, is /etc/printcap populated with printers visible to cups? -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: firefox 3.5.4 broken?
On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 18:26 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: 1. Highlight a word on a web page. 2. Right click on word. 3. Select Search Google for word... 4. ??? 5. Crash box appears. Anyone else? I am getting and Assert error when I do the above. -- === Don't let your mind wander -- it's too little to be let out alone. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
OT: Bloomberg comments on open software and Linux
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Re: FC11 missing dependencies on a new install
Don't hijack threads. Changing the Subject line is not enough. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: firefox 3.5.4 broken?
On 10/30/2009 12:26 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: 1. Highlight a word on a web page. 2. Right click on word. 3. Select Search Google for word... 4. ??? 5. Crash box appears. Anyone else? I am not observing this issue, but I already had 2 firefox segfaults and one firefox desktop freeze since today's firefox update. Seems to me as if firefox is try to play catchup with the embarrassing shape thunderbird is in :( Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
file that controls the number of kernels kept
Again my memory is failing me. There is a file that contains the parameter that controls the number of kernels retained. What is its name? -- === Psychiatry enables us to correct our faults by confessing our parents' shortcomings. -- Laurence J. Peter, Peter's Principles === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: file that controls the number of kernels kept
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Again my memory is failing me. There is a file that contains the parameter that controls the number of kernels retained. What is its name? /etc/yum.conf installonly_limit=n where n is the number of versions you want to retain. A value of zero means no limit. See yum.conf(5). -- Garry Williams +1 678 656-4579 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: : bash command help - nohup
Hi Dan, On Friday 30 October 2009 03:11 AM, Dan Track wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Cameron Simpsonc...@zip.com.au wrote: On 30Oct2009 09:42, Dan Trackdan.tr...@gmail.com wrote: | Hi, | | I'm trying to run mutliple commands from the command line while using | nohup. But I can't seem to get the syntax right, can someone please | correct this for me | | nohup cmd 1;cm2;cmd3 | | All i get is that cmd1 runs from wiht nohup but the rest run in my | current shell. I'd like all to be run with the single nohup command, | any thoughts? Syntacticly that's three command. A semicolon is like a newline, so its as though you've typed: nohup cmd 1 cmd2 cmd3 Since nohup expects one command, you need one command. SInce you want three, invoke the shell as your command: nohup sh -c 'cmd1; cmd2; cmd3' Cheers, Hi Cameron, Many thanks for that gem. I often find nohup very unreliable. I have had jobs fail submitted with nohup. I was thinking of switching to using screen. Maybe you could give that a try? GL -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: : bash command help - nohup
On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 08:02 -0700, Suvayu Ali wrote: Hi Dan, On Friday 30 October 2009 03:11 AM, Dan Track wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Cameron Simpsonc...@zip.com.au wrote: On 30Oct2009 09:42, Dan Trackdan.tr...@gmail.com wrote: | Hi, | | I'm trying to run mutliple commands from the command line while using | nohup. But I can't seem to get the syntax right, can someone please | correct this for me | | nohup cmd 1;cm2;cmd3 | | All i get is that cmd1 runs from wiht nohup but the rest run in my | current shell. I'd like all to be run with the single nohup command, | any thoughts? Syntacticly that's three command. A semicolon is like a newline, so its as though you've typed: nohup cmd 1 cmd2 cmd3 Since nohup expects one command, you need one command. SInce you want three, invoke the shell as your command: nohup sh -c 'cmd1; cmd2; cmd3' Cheers, Hi Cameron, Many thanks for that gem. I often find nohup very unreliable. I have had jobs fail submitted with nohup. I was thinking of switching to using screen. Maybe you could give that a try? Screen is not an option if you want to set up a long-running job and log out. In what way has nohup failed on you? It's one of the oldest commands in the Shell toolbox and I've never had a problem with it. Note that it's often a good idea to run it thus: nohup command OUTPUT 21 poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: file that controls the number of kernels kept
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 09:51:01AM -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: Again my memory is failing me. There is a file that contains the parameter that controls the number of kernels retained. What is its name? /etc/yum.conf -- the installonly_limit parameter is the one you're trying to remember. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: firefox 3.5.4 broken?
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 09:17:18AM -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 18:26 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: 1. Highlight a word on a web page. 2. Right click on word. 3. Select Search Google for word... 4. ??? 5. Crash box appears. Anyone else? I am getting and Assert error when I do the above. -- I don't see that, but I hafta admit I'm running the download directly from mozilla, and at the moment I'm using Centos 5.4. I'll check it on F11 a little later on. -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Hebrews 4:12 (niv) -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: firefox 3.5.4 broken?
2009/10/30 Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de: On 10/30/2009 12:26 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: 1. Highlight a word on a web page. 2. Right click on word. 3. Select Search Google for word... 4. ??? 5. Crash box appears. Anyone else? I am not observing this issue, but I already had 2 firefox segfaults and one firefox desktop freeze since today's firefox update. Seems to me as if firefox is try to play catchup with the embarrassing shape thunderbird is in :( Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines It works fine here, also with Thunderbird running in the background... Fully updated F11 system . -- Antonio Montagnani Skype : antoniomontag SIP: antoniomon...@ekiga.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Okular not printing in f11? - SOLVED
Bugzilla from rdie...@math.unl.edu wrote: Mike Cloaked wrote: I just tried to print a pdf from Okular running in f11 - it appears not to see the network printers (I can print fine from Firefox) - anyone else see this? Not here, is /etc/printcap populated with printers visible to cups? I just tried again after a few hours, and it worked fine a minute ago - there must have been a network problem earlier (network is not under my control in this case) - I did not change anything! Weird! Anyway sorry for the noise. -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Okular-not-printing-in-f11--tp26129571p26132097.html Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: firefox 3.5.4 broken?
On 10/30/2009 04:25 PM, Antonio M wrote: 2009/10/30 Ralf Corsepiusrc040...@freenet.de: On 10/30/2009 12:26 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: 1. Highlight a word on a web page. 2. Right click on word. 3. Select Search Google for word... 4. ??? 5. Crash box appears. Anyone else? I am not observing this issue, but I already had 2 firefox segfaults and one firefox desktop freeze since today's firefox update. Seems to me as if firefox is try to play catchup with the embarrassing shape thunderbird is in :( It works fine here, Well I can reproduce the segfaults semi-deterministically: http://www.paulmccartney.com Firefox-3.5.4 either immediately dies, or dies after a little bit of browsing. also with Thunderbird running in the background... I am observing * corrupt indices and random email tagging. * compact folders not wanting to traverse deep imap folders. * filtering issues Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11 missing dependencies on a new install
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Don't hijack threads. Changing the Subject line is not enough. poc Um, what did I miss? I don't see in my original message what I hijacked? Yes, I will 'admit' that to get the fedora address, I clicked on reply to a posting. Then deleted the complete text of the message and changed the subject. So what did Thunderbird leave of the original message, because I can't see anything in the message I have in my folder... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Installing Fedora on USB DiskOnKey and booting from different machine
Hi, I installed Fedora 11 on a DiskOnKey. I booted from this DiskONKey successfully on the machine on which I made the installation. However, when I tried on two different machines, it failed, and it reached the grub command line. On a third machine it reached a line containing the word GRUB only. I wonder - is there a way to install Fedora 11 on a DiskOnKey so that it will boot from any machine (which is capable of booting from USB )? Note: I had made my trials on motherboards after verifying that these motherboards **do** support boot from USB disk on key. This is the grub.conf on the USB DiskOnKey: title Fedora (2.6.29.4-167.fc11.x86_64) root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.29.4-167.fc11.x86_64 ro root=UUID=e73e50db-2420 -4792-a347-3e15ed38c5b9 rhgb quiet initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.29.4-167.fc11.x86_64.img Regards, Mark -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11 missing dependencies on a new install
Hi Robert, 2009/10/30 Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Don't hijack threads. Changing the Subject line is not enough. poc Um, what did I miss? I don't see in my original message what I hijacked? Yes, I will 'admit' that to get the fedora address, I clicked on reply to a posting. Then deleted the complete text of the message and changed the subject. So what did Thunderbird leave of the original message, because I can't see anything in the message I have in my folder... The threading still stays, so your message gets buried inside the original thread. This makes it difficult both for responder to find your message and for you to get prompt help as it doesn't appear as a new thread in many email clients. If you had right clicked the fedora-list address and clicked compose mail to, this would have created a new thread. I hope this clarifies Patrick's objection. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: firefox 3.5.4 broken?
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 04:25:20PM +0100, Antonio M wrote: 2009/10/30 Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de: On 10/30/2009 12:26 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: 1. Highlight a word on a web page. 2. Right click on word. 3. Select Search Google for word... 4. ??? 5. Crash box appears. Anyone else? I am not observing this issue, but I already had 2 firefox segfaults and one firefox desktop freeze since today's firefox update. Seems to me as if firefox is try to play catchup with the embarrassing shape thunderbird is in :( Ralf It works fine here, also with Thunderbird running in the background... Fully updated F11 system . Yes, as well as my centos mentioned earlier, my eeepc with f11 and firefox 3.5.4 also works fine at least for the one instance I tried. -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom. - Isaiah 40:28 (niv) - -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Couple of install questions
Ok, which would be the easier upgrade path F11 - F12 F12 beta - F12 and can you install directly onto ext4 using anaconda for partitions sitting on an LVM in RAID1? Is ext4 still considered beta, or is it production quality yet? Jim fedora wrote: Hi Jim first trial, i installed on ext4 as well, not using anaconda. Then i had problems, and had to re-install using anaconda this time. But anaconda said cannot install yet on ext4 or similar, which made me go back to ext3 on all file-systems. now, fedora 11 runs on ext3 happily. suomi On 10/29/2009 11:03 AM, James Allsopp wrote: Hi, I need to ask a few questions about a new Fedora install which I need to do over today and tomorrow. Which is the better option, installing F11 or F12 beta? I would upgrade to the full F12 version as soon as it came out anyway. File Formats, has anyone had any problems with Ext4, primarily running on an LVM inside a RAID1. Thanks, Jim -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
FC11 missing dependencies on a new install
I have just completed a new install on my ASUS ee 701 and now am trying to do a yum update. I am hitting some missing dependencies. I will TRY and get them all here, reading from one screen and typing here... python-nose by numpy kasumi by ibus-anthy python-enchant by ibus-pinyin jline by rhino yum suggests I use 0--skip-broken 'to work around the problem' Recommendations please? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11 missing dependencies on a new install
suvayu ali wrote: Hi Robert, 2009/10/30 Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Don't hijack threads. Changing the Subject line is not enough. poc Um, what did I miss? I don't see in my original message what I hijacked? Yes, I will 'admit' that to get the fedora address, I clicked on reply to a posting. Then deleted the complete text of the message and changed the subject. So what did Thunderbird leave of the original message, because I can't see anything in the message I have in my folder... The threading still stays, so your message gets buried inside the original thread. This makes it difficult both for responder to find your message and for you to get prompt help as it doesn't appear as a new thread in many email clients. If you had right clicked the fedora-list address and clicked compose mail to, this would have created a new thread. But then I have to open the message first! Yeah I get lazy. :) I hope this clarifies Patrick's objection. One of the things I dislike about Thunderbird is the way it hides headers and how hard it is to show them, even with the couple of plugins I've got. I miss Eudora and 'YadaYada' button. I guess I have forgotten a lot about SMTP; Dave Crocker would raze me, but I have no intention of telling him! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: firefox 3.5.4 broken?
Aaron Konstam on 10/30/2009 09:17 AM wrote: I am getting and Assert error when I do the above. You need to restart Firefox. P.S. This thread is closed. ;) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Couple of install questions
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 16:10:17 +, James Allsopp jamesaalls...@googlemail.com wrote: Ok, which would be the easier upgrade path F11 - F12 F12 beta - F12 If you are installing today, I would suggest using an F12 iso to do it. Unless you already have a copy of the beta iso, you could grab use the boot.iso from the daily builds or try a test RC image as that would start you off closer to what you will end up with. and can you install directly onto ext4 using anaconda for partitions sitting on an LVM in RAID1? Yes. Is ext4 still considered beta, or is it production quality yet? Jim It is the default. For F11 grub wasn't ready in time for the release so that ext4 was not usable for /boot. ext3 was used on /boot and ext4 was the default for other file systems. For F12 ext4 will be the default for all file systems. There is a recent discussion about a possible corruption bug for ext4 if you have an unclean shutdown. I haven't been following it closely though. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installing Fedora on USB DiskOnKey and booting from different machine
On 10/30/2009 09:54 AM, Mark Ryden wrote: Hi, I installed Fedora 11 on a DiskOnKey. I booted from this DiskONKey successfully on the machine on which I made the installation. However, when I tried on two different machines, it failed, and it reached the grub command line. On a third machine it reached a line containing the word GRUB only. I wonder - is there a way to install Fedora 11 on a DiskOnKey so that it will boot from any machine (which is capable of booting from USB )? Note: I had made my trials on motherboards after verifying that these motherboards **do** support boot from USB disk on key. This is the grub.conf on the USB DiskOnKey: title Fedora (2.6.29.4-167.fc11.x86_64) root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.29.4-167.fc11.x86_64 ro root=UUID=e73e50db-2420 -4792-a347-3e15ed38c5b9 rhgb quiet initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.29.4-167.fc11.x86_64.img This is usually caused by the BIOS reordering the drives. Some MoBo will see the thumb drive as the first drive, and some will see it as the last drive, thus confusing grub. This can often be overcome by asking the BIOS to change the boot order to USB first. On many BIOS this will reorder the drives according to the boot order. However, the only way to guarantee a boot from thumb drive, is to remove all internal drives, which probably defeats the purpose. Good Luck! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Can't use mic anymore
I'm not sure, after what update I lost use of mic . Can't use Skype or can't record wit any of recorders. Have tried with pulse and without it, no worky. If I look controlpanel/multimedia, there's no input listed. Have also tried record with alsa commandline tools, no worky. I have 2 cards for different use, one for skype ( ens1370) and another for music etc. multimedia use (snd-hda-intel), I can listen with both cards, but not use mic. Have googled loud a much and found many similar things, but even some solved problems haven't helped my problem. Now just wondering, that it's not necessary pulse or alsa bug. Because no input device is detected in control-panel, could it be anaconda? udev? or similar? I have had everything working before for sure, so something has gone wrong somewhere, eh? Have to say, that have tested with 5 different kernels too, with latest vanilla included, no kernel fault. I don't need pulse at all, So alsa is enough, or should I test OSS, hmm? Anyway, any ideas? Oh, system is F11 with all latest updates Jarmo -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: firefox 3.5.4 broken?
On 10/30/2009 05:20 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Aaron Konstam on 10/30/2009 09:17 AM wrote: I am getting and Assert error when I do the above. You need to restart Firefox. P.S. This thread is closed. ;) You mean, works for you ;) Here is a back trace of a segfault which just happend to me: #0 0x00318900edab in raise () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0 Missing separate debuginfos, use: debuginfo-install firefox-3.5.4-1.fc11.x86_64 (gdb) where #0 0x00318900edab in raise () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0 #1 0x7f0def88 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #2 signal handler called #3 0x in ?? () #4 0x7f0def43044b in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #5 0x7f0def4365d1 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #6 0x7f0def436c84 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #7 0x7f0def43b0b4 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #8 0x7f0def43b424 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #9 0x7f0def3bbecc in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #10 0x7f0def3bc098 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #11 0x7f0def3bbecc in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #12 0x7f0def3ce256 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #13 0x7f0def3d6006 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #14 0x7f0def664023 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #15 0x7f0def6646e7 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #16 0x7f0def664cb5 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #17 0x7f0def66019d in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #18 0x7f0defa15fed in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #19 0x7f0defa1f7c7 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #20 0x7f0defa1fbc8 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #21 0x003069349b63 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #22 0x003066e0b81e in g_closure_invoke () from /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 ---Type return to continue, or q return to quit--- #23 0x003066e20b43 in ?? () from /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #24 0x003066e21d6c in g_signal_emit_valist () from /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #25 0x003066e22423 in g_signal_emit () from /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #26 0x00306946739f in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #27 0x003069341f3c in gtk_main_do_event () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #28 0x003068638052 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 #29 0x003068638971 in gdk_window_process_all_updates () from /usr/lib64/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 #30 0x003068638999 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 #31 0x00306861c906 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 #32 0x003066a3790e in g_main_context_dispatch () from /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0 #33 0x003066a3b0e8 in ?? () from /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0 #34 0x003066a3b20a in g_main_context_iteration () from /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0 #35 0x7f0defa36a83 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #36 0x7f0defa36b8f in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #37 0x7f0defaf1af2 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #38 0x7f0defac3187 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #39 0x7f0defa36ccd in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #40 0x7f0def8e1f64 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #41 0x7f0def21c4b4 in XRE_main () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #42 0x00402616 in mmap () #43 0x00318841ea2d in __libc_start_main () from /lib64/libc.so.6 #44 0x00401e29 in mmap () #45 0x7fff4277a348 in ?? () ---Type return to continue, or q return to quit--- #46 0x001c in ?? () #47 0x0001 in ?? () #48 0x7fff4277b2d6 in ?? () #49 0x in ?? () Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11 missing dependencies on a new install
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:13:41 -0400, Robert wrote: I have just completed a new install on my ASUS ee 701 and now am trying to do a yum update. I am hitting some missing dependencies. I will TRY and get them all here, reading from one screen and typing here... python-nose by numpy kasumi by ibus-anthy python-enchant by ibus-pinyin jline by rhino yum suggests I use 0--skip-broken 'to work around the problem' Recommendations please? Unusual with a fresh install. Let me recommend a few things: 1) Cut'n'paste or attach the full Yum output. Don't truncate it. 2) Show output of yum repolist. 3) The most recent list of unresolved dependencies in Fedora 11 with updates and updates-testing is this: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-October/msg00782.html Sometimes packagers create additional missing dependencies (not covered by the report linked above) when they create a dependency between packages in the updates repo and related updates still sitting in the updates-testing repo. The dependency problems you refer to have not appeared in any reports recently (not either when disabling the updates-testing repo). 4) For each package you get missing dependencies, post the following details: rpm --query PACKAGENAME(e.g. rpm --query numpy) yum list PACKAGENAME plus: yum list NAME_OF_MISSING_PACKAGE(e.g. yum list python-nose) 5) If you can yum install yum-utils, look for the tools included in it, such as package-cleanup. Try package-cleanup --dupes (and if it finds duplicate packages package-cleanup --cleandupes) and package-cleanup --problems. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: firefox 3.5.4 broken?
On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 16:38 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 10/30/2009 04:25 PM, Antonio M wrote: 2009/10/30 Ralf Corsepiusrc040...@freenet.de: On 10/30/2009 12:26 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: 1. Highlight a word on a web page. 2. Right click on word. 3. Select Search Google for word... 4. ??? 5. Crash box appears. Anyone else? I am not observing this issue, but I already had 2 firefox segfaults and one firefox desktop freeze since today's firefox update. Seems to me as if firefox is try to play catchup with the embarrassing shape thunderbird is in :( It works fine here, Well I can reproduce the segfaults semi-deterministically: http://www.paulmccartney.com Firefox-3.5.4 either immediately dies, or dies after a little bit of browsing. The standard response to FF problems is have you tried running it in safe-mode? I'm surprised no-one has said it so far. Many problems are actually caused by plugins rather than FF itself. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11 missing dependencies on a new install
Michael Schwendt wrote: On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:13:41 -0400, Robert wrote: I have just completed a new install on my ASUS ee 701 and now am trying to do a yum update. I am hitting some missing dependencies. I will TRY and get them all here, reading from one screen and typing here... python-nose by numpy kasumi by ibus-anthy python-enchant by ibus-pinyin jline by rhino yum suggests I use 0--skip-broken 'to work around the problem' Recommendations please? Unusual with a fresh install. Let me recommend a few things: 1) Cut'n'paste or attach the full Yum output. Don't truncate it. Easier said than done. I will have to set up to log in with SSH to get any output to cut n paste here. So first I am doing updates in pieces, to get the list down to a manageable shot. 2) Show output of yum repolist. 3) The most recent list of unresolved dependencies in Fedora 11 with updates and updates-testing is this: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-October/msg00782.html Sometimes packagers create additional missing dependencies (not covered by the report linked above) when they create a dependency between packages in the updates repo and related updates still sitting in the updates-testing repo. The dependency problems you refer to have not appeared in any reports recently (not either when disabling the updates-testing repo). 4) For each package you get missing dependencies, post the following details: rpm --query PACKAGENAME(e.g. rpm --query numpy) yum list PACKAGENAME plus: yum list NAME_OF_MISSING_PACKAGE(e.g. yum list python-nose) 5) If you can yum install yum-utils, look for the tools included in it, such as package-cleanup. Try package-cleanup --dupes (and if it finds duplicate packages package-cleanup --cleandupes) and package-cleanup --problems. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: firefox 3.5.4 broken?
On 10/30/2009 06:03 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 16:38 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Well I can reproduce the segfaults semi-deterministically: http://www.paulmccartney.com Firefox-3.5.4 either immediately dies, or dies after a little bit of browsing. The standard response to FF problems is have you tried running it in safe-mode? I'm surprised no-one has said it so far. Many problems are actually caused by plugins rather than FF itself. True - nevertheless, if a plugin is able to tear down firefox, firefox itself is broken, too. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11 missing dependencies on a new install
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:14:27 -0400, Robert wrote: So first I am doing updates in pieces, to get the list down to a manageable shot. You can automate that: $ yum --help|grep skip --skip-broken skip packages with depsolving problems yum -y update yum yum -y --skip-broken update -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [OT] any good online doc for the details of compiling hello, world?
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 02:36 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: not really a fedora question, but i'm interested in a step-by-step description of what happens when one compiles and runs hello, world. it's sort of a fedora question since i want to relate those steps to the essential fedora packages and where they come into play (gcc, cpp, glibc-devel, libgcc, and so on), related to things like crtbegin, crtend, etc. i'm thinking you get the idea. Maybe not exactly what you're looking for but I read this book a few years ago: http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/pgubook/ It's now available under the GNU FDL (although I think a print edition is still available). It covers basic programming using assembler and picks apart classic examples like Hello World at the instruction level. that doesn't go as deep as i'd like. actually, after i thought about it a bit longer, i realized that i'd like a document that gets into the details of gcc debugging and optimization in the sense of actually *explaining* it. it's one thing to read the gcc manual to see what options are available, but it's quite another to truly understand what they all represent. does such a document exist? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [OT] any good online doc for the details of compiling hello, world?
Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Fri, 30 Oct 2009, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 02:36 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: not really a fedora question, but i'm interested in a step-by-step description of what happens when one compiles and runs hello, world. it's sort of a fedora question since i want to relate those steps to the essential fedora packages and where they come into play (gcc, cpp, glibc-devel, libgcc, and so on), related to things like crtbegin, crtend, etc. i'm thinking you get the idea. Maybe not exactly what you're looking for but I read this book a few years ago: http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/pgubook/ It's now available under the GNU FDL (although I think a print edition is still available). It covers basic programming using assembler and picks apart classic examples like Hello World at the instruction level. that doesn't go as deep as i'd like. actually, after i thought about it a bit longer, i realized that i'd like a document that gets into the details of gcc debugging and optimization in the sense of actually *explaining* it. it's one thing to read the gcc manual to see what options are available, but it's quite another to truly understand what they all represent. does such a document exist? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday Perhaps an ASM book covering the essentials will help for starters; then, books on compilers and how they work aren't hard to find on the 'net. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: unable to burn disk in brasero disk burner (every-time it spoils the disk )
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Jatin K ssh.fed...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, I'm trying to burn a cd iso image with my brasero disk burner on FC 11, but not able to burn the disk ..it shows following error log and disk gets fail ... I've lost my 8 disks ( DVD also gets fail . but in ugly M$ xp can burn the disk without any problem..!!! it means there is no any fault at dvd burner ) I'm not sure if it's Brasero or a kernel issue but I could successfully burn my .iso file but it burned at about 4X instead of 16-18X and it would occasionally drop below 4X. I may try booting an older kernel and see if the problem goes away. Richard -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: : bash command help - nohup
On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 10:35 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Screen is not an option if you want to set up a long-running job and log out. Why not? That's the first thing I think of when I want to do just that. 'at' also works to start a job not connected to a terminal. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: firefox 3.5.4 broken?
On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 18:20 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 10/30/2009 06:03 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 16:38 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Well I can reproduce the segfaults semi-deterministically: http://www.paulmccartney.com Firefox-3.5.4 either immediately dies, or dies after a little bit of browsing. The standard response to FF problems is have you tried running it in safe-mode? I'm surprised no-one has said it so far. Many problems are actually caused by plugins rather than FF itself. True - nevertheless, if a plugin is able to tear down firefox, firefox itself is broken, too. Not so. Plugins and extensions don't run in a sandbox in current versions of FF. Future versions will be different. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11 missing dependencies on a new install
On 09-10-30 12:13:41, Robert Moskowitz wrote: I have just completed a new install on my ASUS ee 701 and now am trying to do a yum update. I am hitting some missing dependencies. I will TRY and get them all here, reading from one screen and typing here... python-nose by numpy kasumi by ibus-anthy python-enchant by ibus-pinyin jline by rhino yum suggests I use 0--skip-broken 'to work around the problem' Recommendations please? Well, my copy of python-nose is in the fedora repo, while numpy is in updates. Do you have the fedora repo enabled? yum (or the fastestmirror plugin?) lists the mirrors being used, so you should see both fedora and updates listed when you do `yum update`. -- TonyN.:' mailto:tonynel...@georgeanelson.com ' http://www.georgeanelson.com/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: : bash command help - nohup
On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 14:19 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 10:35 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Screen is not an option if you want to set up a long-running job and log out. Why not? That's the first thing I think of when I want to do just that. You're right. I'd never played with screen and assumed it was just for multiplexing terminals. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [OT] any good online doc for the details of compiling hello, world?
On 10/30/2009 10:59 PM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Fri, 30 Oct 2009, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: [...snip...] that doesn't go as deep as i'd like. actually, after i thought about it a bit longer, i realized that i'd like a document that gets into the details of gcc debugging and optimization in the sense of actually *explaining* it. it's one thing to read the gcc manual to see what options are available, but it's quite another to truly understand what they all represent. does such a document exist? How about http://www.redhat.com/magazine/002dec04/features/gcc/ cheers, - steve -- random non tech spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/ tech randomness: http://lonehacks.blogspot.com/ what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
