RE: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

[Anuar, Nuhairi]

>>Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
instead of the nouveau driver.
Yes, I must use proprietary driver. Nouveau is too slow for my machine.

>>If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
freezing when you access some panel items ?
It works fine on F11 but crashed a few time on F12. BTW, my card is Nvidia 
9800gtx+.

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To: fedora-list@redhat.com
Subject: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other 
non kms driver ?)

Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
instead of the nouveau driver.

Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching.

DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free
versions versus proprietary or anything else.

If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
freezing when you access some panel items ?

Thanks 



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Re: grub configuration, boot.

[Chris Smart]

2009/12/24 Dj YB :
> the problem using /dev/sdxn is that this sdxn is not constant and not unique
> even on the same computer, if i change the setup of hard-drives all change.

But if you cloned the drives then they will both have the same UUIDs.
Also, you are booting two systems with the same logical volumes. When
you boot, Fedora is going to mount the first one it finds. I suggest
renaming your volume group on your external drive to something else.

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Re: grub configuration, boot.

[Dj YB]

On Thursday December 24 2009 02:25:44 Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Dj YB wrote:
> >> If you run in a root terminal session the commands
> >>
> >> fdisk -l
> >>
> >> to see exactly what the device names are.  Then run
> >>
> >> vol_id -u /dev/sdXn
> >>
> >> Where X is the drive and n is the partition number.  You will get the
> >> UUID
> >> for the partitions.  You can then edit /boot/grub/grub.conf and make the
> >> kernel line specify explicitly the partitions you want to use with the
> >> syntax
> >>
> >> root=UUID=...
> 
> Is it necessary to do this?
> I think grub will still accept the old /dev names, eg "root=/dev/sda6".
> 
the problem using /dev/sdxn is that this sdxn is not constant and not unique 
even on the same computer, if i change the setup of hard-drives all change.

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Re: Thunderbird search option is not working [SOLVED]

[Jatin K]

On 12/24/2009 08:15 AM, Mail Lists wrote:

On 12/23/2009 11:37 AM, Jatin K wrote:
   

Dear all

I'm using thunderbird 3.0-4 on my Fedora 12 64bit .. all works fine but
not search ... whenever I try to search mail for particular item, every
time it founds nothing. thus I'm unable to search anything in thunderbird

can any one tell me the solution for this 




 


   Assuming GLODA is off (which is a good thing) ... you have to click
the magnifying glass and choose Subject or From (or whatever) .. it
sometimes starts up on global even if its off - (very stubborn that gloda).

   See if that helps.

   Also confirm that advanced search (control-shift-f or
edit->find->search_messages) works ok.


   


I opened my Application Data/Thunderbird/Profiles/(random).default 
folder and deleted the file global-messages-db.sqlite, and then 
restarted Thunderbird. I waited a few minutes for the indexing to 
complete. To my surprise, search worked perfectly. I am glad the feature 
is now working.


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Re: boot screen font size?

[Kam Leo]

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Tom Horsley  wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:28:37 +0530
> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>
>> > As I expected, KMS knows better than me what to do :-). It utterly
>> > ignores the vga= setting.
>>
>> ... which is expected. You cannot have framebuffer mode and kms mode at
>> the same time.
>
> Which still leaves the question: Are there any .psfu console fonts
> bigger than 16 pixels high? (Like closer to 32 or 48 pixels maybe)?
> Or tools to convert existing fonts to .psfu?
>
> The /usr/share/doc/kbd-1.15 directory does seem to document the
> font format fairly well, perhaps I can just write a program to
> render glyphs to a pixmap, then dump the pixmaps as .psfu fonts...

I can't check this out because I don't have the latest graphics
hardware. However, from the release notes you should be able to append
"nomodeset" to grub to disable KMS and "vga=" should work.

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Re: Thunderbird search option is not working

[Mail Lists]

On 12/23/2009 11:37 AM, Jatin K wrote:
> Dear all
> 
> I'm using thunderbird 3.0-4 on my Fedora 12 64bit .. all works fine but
> not search ... whenever I try to search mail for particular item, every
> time it founds nothing. thus I'm unable to search anything in thunderbird
> 
> can any one tell me the solution for this 
> 
> 
> 
> 


  Assuming GLODA is off (which is a good thing) ... you have to click
the magnifying glass and choose Subject or From (or whatever) .. it
sometimes starts up on global even if its off - (very stubborn that gloda).

  See if that helps.

  Also confirm that advanced search (control-shift-f or
edit->find->search_messages) works ok.


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Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver, ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

[Hugh Caley]

I just love Compiz, so I need 3D, so I need the proprietary driver.  I 
haven't had any problems using the proprietary driver with F12, although 
I was tempted to just use nouveau since, for the first time, I had a 
decent display available immediately after installing.


Hugh


2009/12/23 Linuxguy123:
   

>  Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
>  instead of the nouveau driver.
 




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Re: Booting Fedora-12 from hard disk, again, again

[Tom Horsley]

On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 01:52:24 +
Timothy Murphy wrote:

> But since there actually is a file called install.img
> involved centrally in this process,
> to use the term "installation image" for another file
> seems bound to cause confusion.
> Why not just call it the ISO file, or .iso file?

I've been doing hard disk installs for quite a while now, and
since fedora 10 (I think it was) you do indeed need the
install.img file from the iso.

Here's the procedure I have now used successfully many
times:

1. Get the iso image stashed in a directory which contains
no other .iso file on a partition that will survive the
install. Let's use a specific example from my system.
I have a external USB drive mounted at /backup with
the disk label BACKUP and lots of iso images stashed
in /backup/iso-images subdirectories.

cd /backup/iso-images/Fedora-12-x86_64-DVD/
mkdir mnt
mount -o loop Fedora-12-x86_64-DVD.iso mnt
mkdir images
cp mnt/images/install.img images
mkdir /boot/f12
cp mnt/isolinux/initrd.img /boot/f12
cp mnt/isolinux/vmlinuz /boot/f12
umount mnt
rmdir mnt

Now edit the /boot/grub/grub.conf file and add an entry
like this (adjusting the hd0,4 or whatever appropriately):

title Install Fedora 12 x86_64
root (hd0,4)
kernel /boot/f12/vmlinuz 
repo=hd:LABEL=BACKUP:/iso-images/Fedora-12-x86_64-DVD/
initrd /boot/f12/initrd.img

Things to note: It is much simpler to have the install.img file
extracted in the images directory next to the iso image than to
provide separate boot parameters to say where it is.

Using the LABEL= syntax to specify which disk seems to be
essential as well, since anaconda appears to quite frequently
enumerate the disks in a different order than the current installed
linux does (so you may think it is /dev/sdc, but when anaconda
boots, it is really /dev/sdb, then it can't find the files, etc).

Now all you have to do is reboot and pick the "Install" item
when it gets to grub, and off you go...

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Re: Booting Fedora-12 from hard disk, again, again

[Timothy Murphy]

Rick Stevens wrote:

>> I actually found the reference above slightly confusing,
>> because it is not clear to me what is meant by
>> "the installation image for Fedora" that is referred to.
>> Does this mean the file install.img or the Fedora ISO?
> 
> "the installation image for Fedora" is the .iso file, when doing the
> install from hard disk or network.  It's the CD, DVD or thumb drive you
> booted from when using that a "distribution media" method.

Thanks.
But since there actually is a file called install.img
involved centrally in this process,
to use the term "installation image" for another file
seems bound to cause confusion.
Why not just call it the ISO file, or .iso file?

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Re: User image for "About me" in taskbar in f12?

[Tim]

On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 19:49 +, Mike Cloaked wrote:
> on the taskbar as has been usual in gnome it is possible to select an
> image when you right click the username and click the image at the top
> left of the window that opens. However this image is not seen when you
> close the personal details window. Also the same avatar should appear
> in the kdm greeter screen alongside the username to select to login -
> but in f12 it does not appear to do so.

In the past, and it may be your problem now, that issue has arose when
the user pictures are stored in their own directories, and their
homespace has permissions that doesn't allow access to other users,
likewise for child directories and the image file, itself.  For GDM (and
most probably KDM, too), it's a special user that runs the login screen.

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Re: Booting Fedora-12 from hard disk, again, again

[Rick Stevens]

On 12/23/2009 06:02 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:

jackson byers wrote:


There's no actual restriction on just where the ISO image itself is, so
long as you can feed the full path to Anaconda by specifying the device
and directory on that device (see
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f12/en-US/html/s1-

begininstall-hd-x86.html

for details).


Agreed, and that is the best reference


I was looking again at this reference,
and I really don't think it is very good,
or likely to be helpful to someone trying to boot from hard disk.

In the first place, I would have thought that almost anyone doing this
would want to (or need to) avoid CDs or DVDs altogether,
by abstracting vmlinuz, initrd.img and the images directory
from the ISO file,
and adding a stanza to grub.conf to boot from these.


All those do is give you enough of a system to boot and run the 
installer.  They do NOT include the items necessary to install Fedora.

For that you need the Packages directory.


There are no instructions for doing this, as far as I can see.
The implication seems to be that the user is running a Fedora CD or DVD,
and then wants to install from hard disk,
which seems bizarre to me.


Not at all.  CDs and DVDs are much slower than hard drives and are
subject to all the possible errors inherent with non-contact, removable
media (scratches, dirt, etc.).


If you can boot from CD or DVD, why not install that way?

Actually, the whole Installation Guide, while beautifully produced
and full of interesting information,
strikes me as more or less useless for anyone actually wanting
to install Fedora.
I get the impression the authors have never put themselves
in the position of a likely reader of the Guide,
who is almost certainly asking,
"I want to install Fedora. What should I do?"


The portions of the manual dealing with network or hard disk installs
are intended for more experienced users.  The vast majority of newbies
will simply burn the ISO image to a CD or DVD and boot that.  Anaconda
is pretty simple from there.

Even at that, a lot of newbies burn the actual ISO file to a disc
(ending up with a disc with one file on it), when they're supposed to
use the ISO file as a "disk image" to burn the disc.

If you can find a way to make computer software installation absolutely
foolproof, yet accessible to everyone regardless of skill level or
experience, then PATENT IT QUICKLY!  You'll make a mint!

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Re: Booting Fedora-12 from hard disk, again, again

[Rick Stevens]

On 12/22/2009 07:19 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:

jackson byers wrote:


Rick,
My interpretation of what the OP is trying to do is different than yours:
He is trying to do a
"hard disk" install of f12, operating from his current fedora(f11?).


That is correct. (I am the OP.)


This "hard disk" install requires having an available partition
completely separate from his current fedora.
There is no notion, afaik, of
"install a new Fedora on top of an already running Fedora"
as you put it, whatever you might mean by "on top of".

This "hard disk" install does point to the f12 iso,
but it also requires extracting the vmlinuz, initrd.img, and install.img
from the iso, which i think requires doing the loopback mount.
The install.img is placed in a "images" directory.
There are strict requirements on where that images dir is to be placed;
I am not sure, but i think the OP did this part correctly.
Where he might be going wrong is how he interacts with Anaconda,
as I tried to explain in  my earlier reply


As I mentioned in a post above, this worked fine
when I moved the Fedora ISO and the images directory
to the top level on another partition.
I'm not sure what I did wrong before.


The installer wants you to specify the disk partition where the .iso
is, AND the full path to the directory.  So, if it's on your /home
directory (on partition /dev/sda5) and in your "/home/tim/images"
directory, then you'd tell the installer:

/dev/sda5   (for the partition)
/tim/images (for the directory)
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Re: No F-12 Flash -

[Andre Costa]

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 12:37, Amadeus W.M.  wrote:

> On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:51:10 +, Colin Paul Adams wrote:
>
> >> "Amadeus" == Amadeus W M  writes:
> >
> > Amadeus> I got libflashplayer-10.0.42.34.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
> > Amadeus> from some download site that google will find it easily,
> > Amadeus> for 64 bit fedora. Unzip it and put it as you mentioned
> > Amadeus> in /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins.
> >
> > So I tried this too.
> >
> > To my delight flash started to work. then Firefox crashed. I restarted
> > it - it immediately crashed (even when not attempting to display any
> > pages using flash).
> >
> > So I removed the plugin. Firefox works again. But no flash.
> >
> > Tried again. This is reproducible. :-( --
>
>
> Firefox crashes for me too, but only when I close it. I wouldn't even
> know it crashed if it were not for abrt. It doesn't crash while I'm
> playing something in it. One more thing to try when I have some time is
> to replace java-openjdk with sun java and see if it still crashes.


Same here, abrt keeps popping up when I close Firefox. It happened with
3.5.5 and now also happens with 3.5.6. Triage guys must be going crazy with
this, it's been reported dozens of times already...

Regarding Flash, 64-bit alpha version 10.0.32.18 used to work very nice for
me; ever since I upgraded to latest 10.0.42.34 Flash started to behave
weirdly on Firefox (eg. ignoring mouse clicks on most of YouTube embedded
videos). It works just fine on Chrome, though. Go figure =/

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Re: Booting Fedora-12 from hard disk, again, again

[Rick Stevens]

On 12/22/2009 07:15 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:

jackson byers wrote:


yes, but afaik the OP is not trying to "upgrade" or "update" F11.
Rather he is using F11 and the F12 iso, (no LiveCD, no thumbdrive)
and following the "hard disk" install procedure for F12.
F11 is left entirely unchanged.
When complete he will still have his orig F11, and also
a brand new F12 in a separate partition.


rick stevens:
There's no actual restriction on just where the ISO image itself is, so
long as you can feed the full path to Anaconda by specifying the device
and directory on that device (see
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f12/en-US/html/s1-

begininstall-hd-x86.html

for details).


Agreed, and that is the best reference


As the OP, I managed in the end to install Fedora-12 from the hard disk,
by adding a suitable entry in grub.conf .
I'm not sure what I did wrong before,
but finally I moved the Fedora ISO and the images directory
to the top level on another partition, and all went well.

I actually found the reference above slightly confusing,
because it is not clear to me what is meant by
"the installation image for Fedora" that is referred to.
Does this mean the file install.img or the Fedora ISO?


"the installation image for Fedora" is the .iso file, when doing the
install from hard disk or network.  It's the CD, DVD or thumb drive you
booted from when using that a "distribution media" method.
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Re: boot screen font size?

[Tom Horsley]

On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:28:37 +0530
Rahul Sundaram wrote:

> > As I expected, KMS knows better than me what to do :-). It utterly
> > ignores the vga= setting.   
> 
> ... which is expected. You cannot have framebuffer mode and kms mode at
> the same time.

Which still leaves the question: Are there any .psfu console fonts
bigger than 16 pixels high? (Like closer to 32 or 48 pixels maybe)?
Or tools to convert existing fonts to .psfu?

The /usr/share/doc/kbd-1.15 directory does seem to document the
font format fairly well, perhaps I can just write a program to
render glyphs to a pixmap, then dump the pixmaps as .psfu fonts...

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Re: boot screen font size?

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 12/24/2009 06:22 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:17:00 -0800
> Kam Leo wrote:
> 
>>> Is there any way to convince it to pick a much much larger font
>>> size during boot?
>>>  
>>
>> Have you tried tacking on "vga=0x317" or other setting to grub?
> 
> As I expected, KMS knows better than me what to do :-). It utterly
> ignores the vga= setting. 

... which is expected. You cannot have framebuffer mode and kms mode at
the same time.

Rahul

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Re: boot screen font size?

[Tom Horsley]

On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:17:00 -0800
Kam Leo wrote:

> > Is there any way to convince it to pick a much much larger font
> > size during boot?
> >  
> 
> Have you tried tacking on "vga=0x317" or other setting to grub?

As I expected, KMS knows better than me what to do :-). It utterly
ignores the vga= setting. I do see the strange and wondrous
kernel option SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 provided by anaconda.
Perhaps if I knew where that was defined I could determine if
there is a better alternate available (if that really is being
used to set the font of the serial console).

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Re: grub configuration, boot.

[Timothy Murphy]

Dj YB wrote:


>> If you run in a root terminal session the commands
>> 
>> fdisk -l
>> 
>> to see exactly what the device names are.  Then run
>> 
>> vol_id -u /dev/sdXn
>> 
>> Where X is the drive and n is the partition number.  You will get the
>> UUID
>> for the partitions.  You can then edit /boot/grub/grub.conf and make the
>> kernel line specify explicitly the partitions you want to use with the
>> syntax
>> 
>> root=UUID=...

Is it necessary to do this?
I think grub will still accept the old /dev names, eg "root=/dev/sda6".

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Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?

[Steven Stern]

On 12/23/2009 10:53 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> My wife is a busy professional person.  The organization she works for
> uses Microsoft applications for scheduling and email.  The users access
> their information via web browsers.  She is using the Safari browser on
> her iPhone to gain access to her information.
> 
> My wife needs better access to her schedule and email.  Right now if she
> doesn't have an Internet connection she doesn't have access.  And the
> web user interface was designed to be used with a desktop computer with
> a large monitor, not a small handheld device like an iPhone.
> 
> There must be a better way.  
> 
> I understand that some of the OS desktop apps (Evolution and Kontact)
> are going to be working with Microsoft Exchange.  I suspect that when
> they do she will be able to access her information via them.
> 
> So what is the smallest practical device that will run F12 ? 
> 
> How else could one run apps like Evolution and Contact on a small
> device ?  Could they be made to run on a Symbian device ?  What about
> Android ?
> 
> Thanks   
> 

The iPhone can connect directly to an Exchange server if the
organization supports devices using Exchange Active Sync. If so, she can
get directly to her mail, contacts and calendar using the native iPhone
apps.

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Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?

[Craig White]

On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 11:18 -0700, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 10:58 -0700, Kevin Kempter wrote:
> > On Wednesday 23 December 2009 10:42:50 Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 10:00 -0700, Kevin Kempter wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday 23 December 2009 09:53:56 Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > > > > So what is the smallest practical device that will run F12 ?
> > > > >
> > > > > How else could one run apps like Evolution and Contact on a small
> > > > > device ?  Could they be made to run on a Symbian device ?  What about
> > > > > Android ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > The nokia N900 runs debian, you can open a terminal, tweak the sources
> > > > and install things via dpkg.  I have a co-worker that has one - it's
> > > > pretty impressive.
> > > 
> > > I felt foolish posting this question but now I am very glad I did.
> > > 
> > > Is the n900 running Debian out of the box or did your friend load it
> > > with Debian ?  Is Maemo Debian ?
> > > 
> > > What Linux apps will it run ?  Does it have Gnome/Qt/KDE ?   It must
> > > support Qt apps because Nokia bought Qt.
> > > 
> > > Has anyone here fooled around with putting mainstream Linux apps on the
> > > N900 ?
> > > 
> > 
> > It's Maemo Debian, came that way out of the box
> > I've read a few posts about folks installing mainstream apps on it with 
> > success. I dont think it has KDE/Gnome, it's a touch-screen maemo specific 
> > interface.
> > 
> > I'll know more in the coming weeks, Mine is due to be delivered today
> 
> Please let me/us (?) know how you like it.  It would be SO sweet to be
> running Linux on our phones, laptops and servers !  One OS and so much
> flexibility, not have to learn some new SDK, etc. 
> 
> We are quite disappointed with my wife's iPhone.  Everything is so
> locked up. 

The Nokia devices are way cool but they are pricey.

You can get an Acer Aspire One for $300-$350 and run a full blown Fedora
on it (1Gb RAM, 160Gb HD, 1024x600 screen)

The iPhone is what it is. I got a Motorola Android G2 about a month ago
and I love it and it seems to have 'Corporate Mail' application which is
specifically designed for Exchange server activity (but I've never tried
it).

Craig



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Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 23 December 2009, Kevin Kempter wrote:
>On Wednesday 23 December 2009 07:46:17 Dennis Mattingly wrote:
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> >
>> > Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia
>> > driver instead of the nouveau driver.
>> >
>> > Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching.
>> >
>> > DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free
>> > versions versus proprietary or anything else.
>> >
>> > If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
>> > equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
>> > freezing when you access some panel items ?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>>
>> I use the kmod-nvidia driver at rpm fusion.
>> I need it for Quake 4 and my SNES emulator.
>>
>> ...
>> God, I'm addicted to Linux gaming.
>
>I use the kmod-nvidia driver as well, it works the best for me.
>
Unforch that marries you to a distribution kernel that may be 2-3 releases 
old.  So I use an ATI card, and radeonhd in 2.6.32 runs it slowly but trashy.  
TANSTAAFL.

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Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

[Sam Sharpe]

2009/12/23 Linuxguy123 :
> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> instead of the nouveau driver.

Define "must". I use the driver from rpmfusion, not because I "must",
but because I choose to.

I have dual monitors at work, driven by an NVidia NVS 290. It does
work on F12 with nouveau as I tried it. But I lose 3D acceleration
which I "like" (not need) because I find that some of the Compiz
effects actually speed my workflow. (things like window previews are
reasonably useful when you have tens of terminals or browser windows
open)

I would say that I need to use the proprietary driver, because it
improves my work - but there is no technical necessity.

> If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
> equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
> freezing when you access some panel items ?

I have no problems in this area. I find the rpmfusion provided driver
more stable for what I want to do than nouveau.

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Re: grub configuration, boot.

[Dj YB]

On Wednesday December 23 2009 19:49:27 TNWestTex wrote:
> Bugzilla from yehi...@mail.ru wrote:
> > hello,
> >
> > I have been trying to look over many solutions and tutorials with no
> > luck. my goal was and still is, to clone my internal 40GB hard-drive
> > which contain
> > fc11 on to my external usb-hard-drive 500GB.
> > aftar many tutorials I finally used Clonezilla.
> > that worked great and the hdd is cloned.
> > the problem is that the boot configurations are the same, and so when I
> > boot
> > from the usb-hdd I actually run from the internal hdd.
> > and now for the question.
> > since this usb-drive is meant to be able to boot on every computer,
> > I can I config grub to boot (run) the OS in the same drive it is being
> > loaded
> > from?
> >
> > for example:
> > my current setup is that the fc11 internal drive is sdb and the usb-hdd
> > is sde
> > and the same grub is (clone) on both drives.
> 
> A problem is that many systems switch the order of the drive assignments on
> the boot from the USB drive.  The /boot/grub/device.map file has to reflect
> what the system is doing.  This order is passed to grub with the line
> 
> root (hdX,n)
> 
> in /boot/grub/grub.conf where X is the drive and n is the partition number
> of the partition with /boot.
> 
> If you run in a root terminal session the commands
> 
> fdisk -l
> 
> to see exactly what the device names are.  Then run
> 
> vol_id -u /dev/sdXn
> 
> Where X is the drive and n is the partition number.  You will get the UUID
> for the partitions.  You can then edit /boot/grub/grub.conf and make the
> kernel line specify explicitly the partitions you want to use with the
> syntax
> 
> root=UUID=...
> 
> An additional complication is that some utilities get confused when there
> are multiple drive partitions with the same label.  Running from the
> internal drive without the usb drive, you can use e2label to change the
> labels on the internal drive.
> 
> If you are still having trouble, post the output from fdisk -l, UUIDs and
> your grub.conf file for more help.
> 
> Robert McBroom
> 
thanks
I am using GRUB 0.97 and apparently the option root=UUID=... is not supported
or maybe I am doing something wrong.

this is my grub.conf:
---
hiddenmenu
default 0
timeout 2

title Fedora (2.6.30.9-96.fc11.i686.PAE)
root (hd0,0)
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.30.9-96.fc11.i686.PAE ro root=/dev/mapper/VolGroup-lv_root 
nomodeset rhgb quiet vga=0x318
initrd /initrd-2.6.30.9-96.fc11.i686.PAE.img

title Fedora (2.6.30.9-90.fc11.i686.PAE)
root (hd0,0)
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.30.9-90.fc11.i686.PAE ro root=/dev/mapper/VolGroup-lv_root 
nomodeset rhgb quiet vga=0x318
initrd /initrd-2.6.30.9-90.fc11.i686.PAE.img

title Fedora (2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.i686.PAE)
root (hd0,0)
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.i686.PAE ro root=/dev/mapper/VolGroup-
lv_root nomodeset rhgb quiet vga=0x318
initrd /initrd-2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.i686.PAE.img

title FC11 test
root=UUID=175472b3-e4e5-4208-beeb-56eec49c20aa
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.30.9-96.fc11.i686.PAE ro root=/dev/mapper/VolGroup-lv_root 
nomodeset rhgb quiet vga=0x318
initrd /initrd-2.6.30.9-96.fc11.i686.PAE.img

title FC11 usb-clone
root=UUID=175472b3-e4e5-4208-beeb-56eec49c20aa
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.30.9-96.fc11.i686.PAE ro root=/dev/mapper/VolGroup-lv_root 
nomodeset rhgb quiet vga=0x318
initrd /initrd-2.6.30.9-96.fc11.i686.PAE.img
---

one more problem I now have, the UUID are not unique and the clone drive 
partitions has the same UUID's as their relative source partitions.
thanks again for your help
YB.

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Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?

[Linuxguy123]

On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 15:39 -0500, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 10:26 -0800, Suvayu Ali wrote: 
> > On Wednesday 23 December 2009 10:18 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > > We are quite disappointed with my wife's iPhone.  Everything is so
> > > locked up.
> > >
> > 
> > A friend of mine jailbroke his iPhone. He can do all sorts of cool stuff 
> > including having a terminal and using ssh to log into our lab servers. ;)
> 
> You don't need to jailbreak to use ssh to log into your lab
> servers--there's an app (or three) for that.  It even does X, and
> there's a VNC client, too.  There's even an app for tn3270 for those of
> us who still need to talk to IBM mainframes.
> 
> You do need to jailbreak to log into your iPhone from your lab servers,
> though...
> 
> I agree, I don't like how locked up it is, but it does do slick like
> Apple always does.  It looks like Android and some other smartphone OS's
> will be promising competitors, though.  We'll see when my contract
> expires what the next-gen Droid looks like.

I know its off topic from Fedora, but Maemo looks very slick.  Its
starting to build a base of users and developers. 

And although its Gnome based, it now supports Qt stuff and a switch or
full dual support can't be far off being that Nokia bought Qt.

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ymex crashing fixed - need new gtk2 rpm's

[KC8LDO]

After looking on the 'net for info about the gtk2-immodule-xim issue with 
yumex  crashing it seems the problem is really in another area:


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=548849

Following the instructions below updates the problem rpm's:
-
gtk2-2.18.5-4.fc12 has been pushed to the Fedora 12 testing repository.  If
problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug report.
If you want to test the update, you can install it with
su -c 'yum --enablerepo=updates-testing update gtk2'.  You can provide
feedback for this update here:
http://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F12/FEDORA-2009-13538
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Hopes this helps everyone.

Regards;

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And he can fire everybody in the
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Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

[Theodore Papadopoulo]

Andy Campbell wrote:

I'm still using the proprietary driver because I need full dual-link DVI
support at 2560x1600 resolution.  I haven't found a free driver that can
do that.


Also only the proprietary driver allows the use of CUDA

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Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 10:26 -0800, Suvayu Ali wrote: 
> On Wednesday 23 December 2009 10:18 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > We are quite disappointed with my wife's iPhone.  Everything is so
> > locked up.
> >
> 
> A friend of mine jailbroke his iPhone. He can do all sorts of cool stuff 
> including having a terminal and using ssh to log into our lab servers. ;)

You don't need to jailbreak to use ssh to log into your lab
servers--there's an app (or three) for that.  It even does X, and
there's a VNC client, too.  There's even an app for tn3270 for those of
us who still need to talk to IBM mainframes.

You do need to jailbreak to log into your iPhone from your lab servers,
though...

I agree, I don't like how locked up it is, but it does do slick like
Apple always does.  It looks like Android and some other smartphone OS's
will be promising competitors, though.  We'll see when my contract
expires what the next-gen Droid looks like.

> 
> btw, Wikipedia says Maemo is Gnome based.

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Re: User image for "About me" in taskbar in f12?

[Rex Dieter]

Mike Cloaked wrote:

> I have more than one machine running f12 - I use the gnome desktop with
> kdm as the login manager.
> 
> The machines run fine with one small slight irritation - on the taskbar as
> has been usual in gnome it is possible to select an image when you right
> click the username and click the image at the top left of the window that
> opens. However this image is not seen when you close the personal details
> window. Also the same avatar should appear in the kdm greeter screen
> alongside the username to select to login - but in f12 it does not appear
> to do so.

I don't think f12's default kdm theming (Constantine) supports the UserList 
feature. (ie, you'll need to use a different theme that does).

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Re: Booting Fedora-12 from hard disk, again, again

[Timothy Murphy]

jackson byers wrote:

>>In the first place, I would have thought that almost anyone doing this
>>would want to (or need to) avoid CDs or DVDs altogether,
>>by abstracting vmlinuz, initrd.img and the images directory
>>from the ISO file,
>>and adding a stanza to grub.conf to boot from these.
> 
>>There are no instructions for doing this, as far as I can see.
> 
> Well, you seem to have figured it out, congrats!
> May I ask, just where did you find the instructions re install.img,?

I think I first came across it when installing Fedora-10,
which I believe was the first distribution
where it was necessary to abstract install.img 
as well as vmlinuz and initrd.img .

I guess I would first have read of it here,
in a posting to this list/newsgroup.

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Re: Yumex crashes -

[Carroll Grigsby]

On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 12:35:20 -0500, Jim wrote:

>> whack

> you need to remove the ;
> 
> gtk2-immodule-xim-2.18.5-3.fc12
> 
> This package is causing Yumex to crash.
 

That fixed it! +1 for Jim.

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Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

[Andy Campbell]

> I'm still using the proprietary driver because I need full dual-link DVI
> support at 2560x1600 resolution.  I haven't found a free driver that can
> do that.
> 
> Andrew.

Same here Dual-Link DVI. Although the nouveau drivers don't seem to
work on laptop either so I have to proprietary there to.

On the desktop haven't got Compiz to work with the proprietary drivers
just seg faults :-(

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Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

[Rikke D. Giles]

On 12/23/2009 08:14:01 AM, Kevin Kempter wrote:

> I use the kmod-nvidia driver as well, it works the best for me.

I as well.  I need 3 D capabilities from time to time.



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User image for "About me" in taskbar in f12?

[Mike Cloaked]

I have more than one machine running f12 - I use the gnome desktop with kdm as 
the login manager.

The machines run fine with one small slight irritation - on the taskbar as has 
been usual in gnome it is possible to select an image when you right click the 
username and click the image at the top left of the window that opens. However 
this image is not seen when you close the personal details window. Also the 
same 
avatar should appear in the kdm greeter screen alongside the username to select 
to login - but in f12 it does not appear to do so.

In f11 with the same process I do get the image displayed on the taskbar next 
to 
the username in gnome, and also in the kdm greeter screen.  In my f12 machines 
although the image looks just fine within the personal details window, it does 
not appear on the taskbar or in the kdm greeter.

Does anyone else see this ? Was there a policy change that is in place for f12? 
Am I doing something dumb and if so what should I do to get the behaviour that 
I 
would like for this?

Thanks

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Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?

[Kevin Kempter]

On Wednesday 23 December 2009 12:24:30 Linuxguy123 wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 10:58 -0700, Kevin Kempter wrote:
> > It's Maemo Debian, came that way out of the box
> > I've read a few posts about folks installing mainstream apps on it with
> > success. I dont think it has KDE/Gnome, it's a touch-screen maemo
> > specific interface.
> >
> > I'll know more in the coming weeks, Mine is due to be delivered today
> 
> This is the coolest device ever !
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo
> 
> I wonder if I could get the TI89 calculator emulator running on it ?
> Then I wouldn't have to carry both a phone and a calculator around.  I
> lose about 1 TI89 calculator a year and I hate how dim the TI89 display
> is.
> 

This  is already packaged as a maemo download

http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ati85/

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Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?

[Linuxguy123]

On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 10:58 -0700, Kevin Kempter wrote:

> It's Maemo Debian, came that way out of the box
> I've read a few posts about folks installing mainstream apps on it with 
> success. I dont think it has KDE/Gnome, it's a touch-screen maemo specific 
> interface.
> 
> I'll know more in the coming weeks, Mine is due to be delivered today

This is the coolest device ever !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo

I wonder if I could get the TI89 calculator emulator running on it ?
Then I wouldn't have to carry both a phone and a calculator around.  I
lose about 1 TI89 calculator a year and I hate how dim the TI89 display
is.


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Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?

[Linuxguy123]

On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 10:26 -0800, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> On Wednesday 23 December 2009 10:18 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > We are quite disappointed with my wife's iPhone.  Everything is so
> > locked up.
> >
> 
> A friend of mine jailbroke his iPhone. He can do all sorts of cool stuff 
> including having a terminal and using ssh to log into our lab servers. ;)

They must be jailbroken if you want to do much with them.   We wanted a
good Skype/ VOIP application since the 3G network coverage isn't nearly
as good as plain GSM.

I think I would much, much prefer the N900.  I found out that davmail
can be use with an iPhone.  We'll see what my wife says. 

I might get an N900 just for myself.  What would stop one from running
Fedora on it ?  I guess ubuntu would be a closer fit ?



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Re: Yumex crashes -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 23/12/09 12:35, Jim wrote:

On 12/23/2009 11:09 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:


   I have two new F-12 installs, one each 32 and 64 bit boxes. Yumex
   fails on both, although I think it may have worked initially after
   the Omegalive install. My memory is a bit fuzzy on that point, but
   it could have resulted from an update if that is the case.

   Yumex asks for a password, churns for a minute or so doing what it
   does to open and then crashes just as it begins to draw the opening
   display! I could see a few icons come up on the left edge and then
   gone, just the terminal from which I opened it leaving the following
   artifacts:

   History Enabled
   /usr/bin/yumex: line 5: 3234 Segmentation fault   (core dumped)
   /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/yumex/yumex.pyc $*

   This looks like a problem with F-12 or yumex.

   I can survive without it but it helps in setting up new installs
   since it provides extensive applications lists, a help to me.

   Does anyone have a solution or do I just have to wait 'til it's
   fixed? Or do I have something messed up?

   Bob



you need to remove the ;

gtk2-immodule-xim-2.18.5-3.fc12

This package is causing Yumex to crash.



I did that on both computers and yumex appears to be working again.

Thanks for the help.

Bob w2bod

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Re: Booting Fedora-12 from hard disk, again, again

[jackson byers]

>>> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f12/en-US/html/s1-
begininstall-hd-x86.html
>>> for details).
>>
>> Agreed, and that is the best reference

>I was looking again at this reference,
>and I really don't think it is very good,
>or likely to be helpful to someone trying to boot from hard disk.

That reference is(was) particularly important for showing explicitly
that you need the leading slash {"/") for the directory.
The leading slash needed starting in F10,
prior to F10  no leading slash, which caused much confusion
when attempting hdinstall starting from F10 (see bugzilla ref below).

>In the first place, I would have thought that almost anyone doing this
>would want to (or need to) avoid CDs or DVDs altogether,
>by abstracting vmlinuz, initrd.img and the images directory
>from the ISO file,
>and adding a stanza to grub.conf to boot from these.

>There are no instructions for doing this, as far as I can see.

Well, you seem to have figured it out, congrats!
May I ask, just where did you find the instructions re install.img,?



I myself depended heavily on the references following;
not much on the fedora site


hdinstall was thoroughly discussed in these 3 refs:

1)
fedora-list nov 2008 * F10 HD install - anyone successfully done this?
From: Mike Cloaked  and response by Tom Horsley

2}
Bug 473351 - F10 HD install using the DVD iso file, initiated from grub, fails

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Re: Booting Fedora-12 from hard disk, again, again

[Tim]

On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 14:02 +, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> If you can boot from CD or DVD, why not install that way?

One big reason:  They're a slow media, compared to other things.

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Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?

[Suvayu Ali]

On Wednesday 23 December 2009 10:18 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote:

We are quite disappointed with my wife's iPhone.  Everything is so
locked up.



A friend of mine jailbroke his iPhone. He can do all sorts of cool stuff 
including having a terminal and using ssh to log into our lab servers. ;)


btw, Wikipedia says Maemo is Gnome based.
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Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?

[Linuxguy123]

On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 10:58 -0700, Kevin Kempter wrote:
> On Wednesday 23 December 2009 10:42:50 Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 10:00 -0700, Kevin Kempter wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 23 December 2009 09:53:56 Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > > > So what is the smallest practical device that will run F12 ?
> > > >
> > > > How else could one run apps like Evolution and Contact on a small
> > > > device ?  Could they be made to run on a Symbian device ?  What about
> > > > Android ?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > >
> > > The nokia N900 runs debian, you can open a terminal, tweak the sources
> > > and install things via dpkg.  I have a co-worker that has one - it's
> > > pretty impressive.
> > 
> > I felt foolish posting this question but now I am very glad I did.
> > 
> > Is the n900 running Debian out of the box or did your friend load it
> > with Debian ?  Is Maemo Debian ?
> > 
> > What Linux apps will it run ?  Does it have Gnome/Qt/KDE ?   It must
> > support Qt apps because Nokia bought Qt.
> > 
> > Has anyone here fooled around with putting mainstream Linux apps on the
> > N900 ?
> > 
> 
> It's Maemo Debian, came that way out of the box
> I've read a few posts about folks installing mainstream apps on it with 
> success. I dont think it has KDE/Gnome, it's a touch-screen maemo specific 
> interface.
> 
> I'll know more in the coming weeks, Mine is due to be delivered today

Please let me/us (?) know how you like it.  It would be SO sweet to be
running Linux on our phones, laptops and servers !  One OS and so much
flexibility, not have to learn some new SDK, etc. 

We are quite disappointed with my wife's iPhone.  Everything is so
locked up. 



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Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?

[Linuxguy123]

On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 12:52 -0500, Mike Wohlgemuth wrote:
> On 12/23/2009 11:53 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > How else could one run apps like Evolution and Contact on a small
> > device ?  Could they be made to run on a Symbian device ?  What about
> > Android ?
> >
> >
> You might want to check out Davmail:
> 
> http://davmail.sourceforge.net/
> 
> It will talk to Microsoft's web based mail/scheduler and proxy it as 
> more standard protocols.  Then your small device only needs to talk 
> those standard protocols to interact.  It would mean that you would have 
> to have tomcat or something installed on an internet accessible host, 
> but that seems easier than figuring out how to get evolution onto 
> symbian or android.
> 
> Woogie

Nice reply !  Thanks, I really appreciate it !

LG



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Re: grub configuration, boot.

[TNWestTex]

Bugzilla from yehi...@mail.ru wrote:
> 
> hello,
> 
> I have been trying to look over many solutions and tutorials with no luck.
> my goal was and still is, to clone my internal 40GB hard-drive which
> contain 
> fc11 on to my external usb-hard-drive 500GB.
> aftar many tutorials I finally used Clonezilla.
> that worked great and the hdd is cloned.
> the problem is that the boot configurations are the same, and so when I
> boot 
> from the usb-hdd I actually run from the internal hdd.
> and now for the question.
> since this usb-drive is meant to be able to boot on every computer,
> I can I config grub to boot (run) the OS in the same drive it is being
> loaded 
> from?
> 
> for example:
> my current setup is that the fc11 internal drive is sdb and the usb-hdd is
> sde
> and the same grub is (clone) on both drives.
> 
> 

A problem is that many systems switch the order of the drive assignments on
the boot from the USB drive.  The /boot/grub/device.map file has to reflect
what the system is doing.  This order is passed to grub with the line

root (hdX,n) 

in /boot/grub/grub.conf where X is the drive and n is the partition number
of the partition with /boot.

If you run in a root terminal session the commands

fdisk -l

to see exactly what the device names are.  Then run

vol_id -u /dev/sdXn

Where X is the drive and n is the partition number.  You will get the UUID
for the partitions.  You can then edit /boot/grub/grub.conf and make the
kernel line specify explicitly the partitions you want to use with the
syntax

root=UUID=...

An additional complication is that some utilities get confused when there
are multiple drive partitions with the same label.  Running from the
internal drive without the usb drive, you can use e2label to change the
labels on the internal drive.

If you are still having trouble, post the output from fdisk -l, UUIDs and
your grub.conf file for more help.

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Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?

[Kevin Kempter]

On Wednesday 23 December 2009 10:42:50 Linuxguy123 wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 10:00 -0700, Kevin Kempter wrote:
> > On Wednesday 23 December 2009 09:53:56 Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > > So what is the smallest practical device that will run F12 ?
> > >
> > > How else could one run apps like Evolution and Contact on a small
> > > device ?  Could they be made to run on a Symbian device ?  What about
> > > Android ?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> >
> > The nokia N900 runs debian, you can open a terminal, tweak the sources
> > and install things via dpkg.  I have a co-worker that has one - it's
> > pretty impressive.
> 
> I felt foolish posting this question but now I am very glad I did.
> 
> Is the n900 running Debian out of the box or did your friend load it
> with Debian ?  Is Maemo Debian ?
> 
> What Linux apps will it run ?  Does it have Gnome/Qt/KDE ?   It must
> support Qt apps because Nokia bought Qt.
> 
> Has anyone here fooled around with putting mainstream Linux apps on the
> N900 ?
> 

It's Maemo Debian, came that way out of the box
I've read a few posts about folks installing mainstream apps on it with 
success. I dont think it has KDE/Gnome, it's a touch-screen maemo specific 
interface.

I'll know more in the coming weeks, Mine is due to be delivered today

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Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?

[Mike Wohlgemuth]

On 12/23/2009 11:53 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote:

How else could one run apps like Evolution and Contact on a small
device ?  Could they be made to run on a Symbian device ?  What about
Android ?

   

You might want to check out Davmail:

http://davmail.sourceforge.net/

It will talk to Microsoft's web based mail/scheduler and proxy it as 
more standard protocols.  Then your small device only needs to talk 
those standard protocols to interact.  It would mean that you would have 
to have tomcat or something installed on an internet accessible host, 
but that seems easier than figuring out how to get evolution onto 
symbian or android.


Woogie

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Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?

[Linuxguy123]

On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 10:00 -0700, Kevin Kempter wrote:
> On Wednesday 23 December 2009 09:53:56 Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > 
> > So what is the smallest practical device that will run F12 ?
> > 
> > How else could one run apps like Evolution and Contact on a small
> > device ?  Could they be made to run on a Symbian device ?  What about
> > Android ?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> The nokia N900 runs debian, you can open a terminal, tweak the sources and 
> install things via dpkg.  I have a co-worker that has one - it's pretty 
> impressive.

I felt foolish posting this question but now I am very glad I did.

Is the n900 running Debian out of the box or did your friend load it
with Debian ?  Is Maemo Debian ?

What Linux apps will it run ?  Does it have Gnome/Qt/KDE ?   It must
support Qt apps because Nokia bought Qt.

Has anyone here fooled around with putting mainstream Linux apps on the
N900 ?


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Re: Yumex crashes -

[Jim]

On 12/23/2009 11:09 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:


   I have two new F-12 installs, one each 32 and 64 bit boxes. Yumex
   fails on both, although I think it may have worked initially after
   the Omegalive install. My memory is a bit fuzzy on that point, but
   it could have resulted from an update if that is the case.

   Yumex asks for a password, churns for a minute or so doing what it
   does to open and then crashes just as it begins to draw the opening
   display! I could see a few icons come up on the left edge and then
   gone, just the terminal from which I opened it leaving the following
   artifacts:

   History Enabled
   /usr/bin/yumex: line 5: 3234 Segmentation fault   (core dumped)
   /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/yumex/yumex.pyc $*

   This looks like a problem with F-12 or yumex.

   I can survive without it but it helps in setting up new installs
   since it provides extensive applications lists, a help to me.

   Does anyone have a solution or do I just have to wait 'til it's
   fixed? Or do I have something messed up?

   Bob



you need to remove the ;

gtk2-immodule-xim-2.18.5-3.fc12

This package is causing Yumex to crash.

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Re: Yumex crashes -

[NoSpaze]

Am Mittwoch, den 23.12.2009, 11:09 -0500 schrieb Bob Goodwin:
> /usr/bin/yumex: line 5: 3234 Segmentation fault   (core dumped)
> /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/yumex/yumex.pyc $*
> 
> Does anyone have a solution or do I just have to wait 'til it's
> fixed? Or do I have something messed up?

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=548827

workaround:

$ GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS=1 yumex

or, uninstalling some package that looks superfluous:

# rpm -e gtk2-immodule-xim

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Re: boot screen font size?

[Kam Leo]

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Tom Horsley  wrote:
> With kernel mode setting, my (text mode, rhgb turned off) boot
> screen on my HD TV monitor is about 8000 lines by 24 columns
> (maybe not quite that many :-) with the font it picks by default
> to use with 1920x1280 resolution.
>
> Is there any way to convince it to pick a much much larger font
> size during boot?
>

Have you tried tacking on "vga=0x317" or other setting to grub?

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Re: Moving to Fedora .. my GUI gone..

[suvayu ali]

2009/12/23 Marko Vojinovic :
> On Wednesday 23 December 2009 09:10:54 Ishmael Chibvuri wrote:
>> I tried to install KDE (K desktop), removing GNOME desktop and all its
>> utilities from Linux Ubuntu since I wanted some nice features from
>> Fedora..
>>
>> After rebooting.. Only the shell comes up..  the GUI is not starting...
>>
>> where could I be going wrong.. After converting .rpm files from the fedora
>> disc to .deb using "alien",I installed all the core KDE files...listed
>>  below
>
> Converting and installing Fedora packages on an Ubuntu system will almost
> certainly not work, especially if you are trying to install the whole KDE or
> something equally complicated.
>
> If you want to move to Fedora, backup your data, reformat the hard drive and
> install Fedora *instead* of Ubuntu, not on top of it. Or free up a partition
> on the disk, install Fedora there and set up dual-boot. Or install it in a
> virtual machine under Ubuntu. Or run it off the Live CD.
>
> But do not mix packages from both distros and install them simultaneously, it
> just won't work properly.
>

To add to that, if you can't live without apt, you can try apt-rpm on
fedora. Although its not perfect but comes pretty close to apt on
Debian/*bunutu.

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Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?

[Kevin Kempter]

On Wednesday 23 December 2009 09:53:56 Linuxguy123 wrote:
> My wife is a busy professional person.  The organization she works for
> uses Microsoft applications for scheduling and email.  The users access
> their information via web browsers.  She is using the Safari browser on
> her iPhone to gain access to her information.
> 
> My wife needs better access to her schedule and email.  Right now if she
> doesn't have an Internet connection she doesn't have access.  And the
> web user interface was designed to be used with a desktop computer with
> a large monitor, not a small handheld device like an iPhone.
> 
> There must be a better way.
> 
> I understand that some of the OS desktop apps (Evolution and Kontact)
> are going to be working with Microsoft Exchange.  I suspect that when
> they do she will be able to access her information via them.
> 
> So what is the smallest practical device that will run F12 ?
> 
> How else could one run apps like Evolution and Contact on a small
> device ?  Could they be made to run on a Symbian device ?  What about
> Android ?
> 
> Thanks
> 
The nokia N900 runs debian, you can open a terminal, tweak the sources and 
install things via dpkg.  I have a co-worker that has one - it's pretty 
impressive.

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What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?

[Linuxguy123]

My wife is a busy professional person.  The organization she works for
uses Microsoft applications for scheduling and email.  The users access
their information via web browsers.  She is using the Safari browser on
her iPhone to gain access to her information.

My wife needs better access to her schedule and email.  Right now if she
doesn't have an Internet connection she doesn't have access.  And the
web user interface was designed to be used with a desktop computer with
a large monitor, not a small handheld device like an iPhone.

There must be a better way.  

I understand that some of the OS desktop apps (Evolution and Kontact)
are going to be working with Microsoft Exchange.  I suspect that when
they do she will be able to access her information via them.

So what is the smallest practical device that will run F12 ? 

How else could one run apps like Evolution and Contact on a small
device ?  Could they be made to run on a Symbian device ?  What about
Android ?

Thanks   

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Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

[TNWestTex]

Linuxguy123 wrote:
> 
> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> instead of the nouveau driver.
> 
> Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching.
> 
> DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free
> versions versus proprietary or anything else.
> 
> If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
> equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
> freezing when you access some panel items ?
> 
Yes.  Just getting F12 going after many adventures.  nouveau was total
disaster, nv limps.  Five systems with three generations of NVIDIA cards.

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Re: Upgraded Fedora 12, only loads shell...Need GUI if possible

[TNWestTex]

Matt Kalinec wrote:
> 
> Hey people...
> 
> I just upgraded a 256mb ram laptop that I had FC11 running on to FC12, but
> now it only loads shell. I need the GUI accessible to, if that is
> possible.
> 
> I'm still fairly new to Fedora, and could use the help.
> 
With out your hardware specifications it is hard to tell anything.  If you
enter the command

startx

do you get any indication that the X server is trying to start?  People have
had various adventures with different display hardware and the drivers in
F12.

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Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

[Kevin Kempter]

On Wednesday 23 December 2009 07:46:17 Dennis Mattingly wrote:
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> > instead of the nouveau driver.
> >
> > Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching.
> >
> > DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free
> > versions versus proprietary or anything else.
> >
> > If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
> > equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
> > freezing when you access some panel items ?
> >
> > Thanks
> 
> I use the kmod-nvidia driver at rpm fusion.
> I need it for Quake 4 and my SNES emulator.
> 
> ...
> God, I'm addicted to Linux gaming.
> 

I use the kmod-nvidia driver as well, it works the best for me.

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Yumex crashes -

[Bob Goodwin]

   I have two new F-12 installs, one each 32 and 64 bit boxes. Yumex
   fails on both, although I think it may have worked initially after
   the Omegalive install. My memory is a bit fuzzy on that point, but
   it could have resulted from an update if that is the case.

   Yumex asks for a password, churns for a minute or so doing what it
   does to open and then crashes just as it begins to draw the opening
   display! I could see a few icons come up on the left edge and then
   gone, just the terminal from which I opened it leaving the following
   artifacts:

   History Enabled
   /usr/bin/yumex: line 5: 3234 Segmentation fault   (core dumped)
   /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/yumex/yumex.pyc $*

   This looks like a problem with F-12 or yumex.

   I can survive without it but it helps in setting up new installs
   since it provides extensive applications lists, a help to me.

   Does anyone have a solution or do I just have to wait 'til it's
   fixed? Or do I have something messed up?

   Bob


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Cannot open www.netflix.com

[Kaustubh Gadkari]

Hi,

I just installed Fedora 12 x86_64. Everything works fine, except that
I cannot access www.netflix.com in any browser (I tried Firefox,
Konqueror and Chrome). I can access the site from Windows, as well as
Ubuntu. Has anyone else faced the same problem?

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Re: Moving to Fedora .. my GUI gone..

[Marko Vojinovic]

On Wednesday 23 December 2009 09:10:54 Ishmael Chibvuri wrote:
> I tried to install KDE (K desktop), removing GNOME desktop and all its
> utilities from Linux Ubuntu since I wanted some nice features from
> Fedora..
> 
> After rebooting.. Only the shell comes up..  the GUI is not starting...
> 
> where could I be going wrong.. After converting .rpm files from the fedora
> disc to .deb using "alien",I installed all the core KDE files...listed
>  below

Converting and installing Fedora packages on an Ubuntu system will almost 
certainly not work, especially if you are trying to install the whole KDE or 
something equally complicated.

If you want to move to Fedora, backup your data, reformat the hard drive and 
install Fedora *instead* of Ubuntu, not on top of it. Or free up a partition 
on the disk, install Fedora there and set up dual-boot. Or install it in a 
virtual machine under Ubuntu. Or run it off the Live CD.

But do not mix packages from both distros and install them simultaneously, it 
just won't work properly.

> Is there a registry setting somewhere, which needs to be edited, to point
>  to the new GUI (KDE).

AFAIK, the registry is a Windows artifact, no such thing exists in Linux --- 
nor Ubuntu nor Fedora.

HTH, :-)
Marko

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RE: [fedora-virt] how to active XEN on Fedora 12

[Dario Lesca]

Il giorno mer, 23/12/2009 alle 08.20 -0600, Dan Burkland ha scritto:
> Xen uses a special kernel so as far as I know you will first have to
> remove the default one with "yum remove kernel". Then try the " yum
> install xen virt-manager kernel-xen" command and it should work.

On F12 the package kernel-xen not exist.

> [r...@lesca ~]# LANG=C yum info  kernel-xen
> Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, presto, refresh-packagekit
> Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
>  * fedora: ftp.uni-bayreuth.de
>  * livna: ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de
>  * rpmfusion-free: ftp.nb.lug.ro
>  * rpmfusion-free-updates: ftp.nb.lug.ro
>  * rpmfusion-nonfree: ftp.nb.lug.ro
>  * rpmfusion-nonfree-updates: ftp.nb.lug.ro
>  * updates: ftp.upjs.sk
> Error: No matching Packages to list

and I think it's not possible remove a working kernel.

Then Fedora12 not have a XEN kernel?
I must build one?

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RE: How many people need to use the proprietary NVIDIA driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

[Dan Burkland]

Thanks for the link, it was an interesting read. Looks like I'll be doing some 
testing this week :)

Dan 
 
 

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> boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rahul Sundaram
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 8:47 AM
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: How many people need to use the proprietary NVIDIA driver ?
> (Or other non kms driver ?)
> 
> On 12/23/2009 07:54 PM, Dan Burkland wrote:
> > I have used the proprietary driver for its superb handling of 3D
> acceleration over nouveau. However, with the release of 2.6.33 near, I may
> give Nouveau as it now supports KMS (It may have in the past I'm not quite
> sure).
> >
> > Dan
> 
> http://skeggsb.livejournal.com/568.html
> 
> Nouveau in Fedora 12 has support for KMS.  It is very the same codebase
> that has been merged in 2.6.23 now. The proprietary Nvidia driver
> doesn't support KMS.  KMS is not just pretty bootup btw. Refer to
> 
> http://keithp.com/blog/kernel-mode-drivers/
> 
> Rahul
> 
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RE: How many people need to use the proprietary NVIDIA driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

[Christopher A. Williams]

On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 08:24 -0600, Dan Burkland wrote:
> > On 12/23/2009 03:21 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > 
> > > Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> > > instead of the nouveau driver.
> > >
> > > If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
> > > equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
> > > freezing when you access some panel items ?
> > 
> > Nouveau driver will cause X to freeze my system (HP s3707c w/ onboard
> > GeForce 9100), with rebooting being the only option. No problems at all
> > with the proprietary nvidia driver.



> I have used the proprietary driver for its superb handling of 3D acceleration 
> over nouveau. However, with the release of 2.6.33 near, I may give Nouveau as 
> it now supports KMS (It may have in the past I'm not quite sure).  
> 
> Dan 

I'm using the proprietary driver on F12 (from RPMFusion) with nouveau
blacklisted according to other posts. I also upgraded to the patched
version of xorg currently on Koji that fixes issues with the proprietary
driver and X.

Everything works much better than with the current nouveau driver. True
3D support is _far_ more important to me (and my kids who plat a lot of
opengl based games - Extreme Tux Racer for example) than having a
Plymouth/kms based bootup. I also need the accelerated graphics to fully
support accelerated graphics with VMware Workstation 7. The proprietary
nVidia drivers support this in Workstation. The nouveau drivers don't.

The graphical startup is certainly nice, but sacrificing hours of
performance issues and enduring the loss of useful and needed function
for a targetd 20 seconds "Plymouth prettiness" just doesn't cut it for
me. I'll live with 20 seconds of the little blue/white bootup lines
instead.

If and when nouveau provides the level of 3D performance and stability
found in the proprietary driver, I will consider making the switch...

Cheers,

Chris


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Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

[Dennis Mattingly]

>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
>> instead of the nouveau driver.
>>
>> Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching.
>>
>> DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free
>> versions versus proprietary or anything else.
>>
>> If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
>> equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
>> freezing when you access some panel items ?
>>
>> Thanks
>
>I use the kmod-nvidia driver at rpm fusion.
>I need it for Quake 4 and my SNES emulator.
>
>...
>God, I'm addicted to Linux gaming.

Oh crud. Forgot to mention I'm using Fedora 11 (GREAT SYSTEM BTW).

I'm too scared to upgrade to Fedora 12.
I don't want to go into withdrawal from my SNES emulator or Quake 4.

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Re: How many people need to use the proprietary NVIDIA driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 12/23/2009 07:54 PM, Dan Burkland wrote:
> I have used the proprietary driver for its superb handling of 3D acceleration 
> over nouveau. However, with the release of 2.6.33 near, I may give Nouveau as 
> it now supports KMS (It may have in the past I'm not quite sure).  
> 
> Dan 

http://skeggsb.livejournal.com/568.html

Nouveau in Fedora 12 has support for KMS.  It is very the same codebase
that has been merged in 2.6.23 now. The proprietary Nvidia driver
doesn't support KMS.  KMS is not just pretty bootup btw. Refer to

http://keithp.com/blog/kernel-mode-drivers/

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Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

[Dennis Mattingly]

> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> instead of the nouveau driver.
>
> Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching.
>
> DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free
> versions versus proprietary or anything else.
>
> If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
> equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
> freezing when you access some panel items ?
>
> Thanks

I use the kmod-nvidia driver at rpm fusion.
I need it for Quake 4 and my SNES emulator.

...
God, I'm addicted to Linux gaming.

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Re: [fedora-virt] how to active XEN on Fedora 12

[M A Young]

On Wed, 23 Dec 2009, Dario Lesca wrote:


Il giorno mar, 22/12/2009 alle 11.05 -0800, Boris Derzhavets ha scritto:

http://bderzhavets.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/setup-ubuntu-9-10-server-pv-domu-at-xen-3-4-1-dom0-2-6-31-6-pvops-kernel-on-top-of-fedora-12/


Thank Boris for reply, but I want only use "yum install something ...".

I'm not a guru of Linux, I don't want to do "rpmbuild ...;
configure ..., make something ...; ecc..", this is the past.

If for use XEN i must "make something ..." I will continue to use "rpm
-i VMware-server-2.0.2." or another distro that will not need to
build something.

Then: It is possible use XEN in Fedora 12 without rebuild some things?


If you are using xen on Fedora see 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XenPvopsDom0
In particular there are some pre-built kernels at 
http://fedorapeople.org/~myoung/dom0/


You do need to edit your boot loader configuration to use the kernels 
under xen, you want something along the lines of


title fedora xen (version)
root (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/xen.gz
module /boot/vmlinuz.version standard_kernel_options
module /boot/initrd.version.img

Basically it should probably match your existing entries except for the 
additional xen line and kernel/initrd becoming module in the other lines.


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Re: No F-12 Flash -

[Amadeus W.M.]

On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:51:10 +, Colin Paul Adams wrote:

>> "Amadeus" == Amadeus W M  writes:
> 
> Amadeus> I got libflashplayer-10.0.42.34.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
> Amadeus> from some download site that google will find it easily,
> Amadeus> for 64 bit fedora. Unzip it and put it as you mentioned
> Amadeus> in /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins.
> 
> So I tried this too.
> 
> To my delight flash started to work. then Firefox crashed. I restarted
> it - it immediately crashed (even when not attempting to display any
> pages using flash).
> 
> So I removed the plugin. Firefox works again. But no flash.
> 
> Tried again. This is reproducible. :-( --


Firefox crashes for me too, but only when I close it. I wouldn't even 
know it crashed if it were not for abrt. It doesn't crash while I'm 
playing something in it. One more thing to try when I have some time is 
to replace java-openjdk with sun java and see if it still crashes. 



> Colin Adams
> Preston Lancashire


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Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

[Greg Woods]

On Tue, 2009-12-22 at 21:21 -0700, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> instead of the nouveau driver.

I use the proprietary Nvidia driver on two different workstations under
F12, one at home and one at work, for two different reasons. At home, I
have a MythTV server and my desktop is a front end, so I need VDPAU. I
also have some 3D games, so I need 3D. Neither of those is supported by
nouveau. I have no display-related problems with this machine. I have
another machine that is mostly a server that uses the same relatively
new Dell monitor, and so I just use nouveau on that machine (don't need
3D or VDPAU). It happily does full HD resolution without problems.

At work, I have an old Dell monitor that doesn't do EDID, and I can't
get nouveau to do anything better than 1024x768 on it even if I use
system-config-display to tell it that the monitor is a 1920x1080 flat
panel (which it is). The proprietary driver doesn't do full HD either,
but at least I can get it up to 1280. On this machine, I do get periodic
freezes, where the mouse pointer still moves around the screen, but
clicking or typing have no effect. Only a hard reset/reboot fixes this.
Any mention of this immediately gets fingers pointed at the proprietary
driver, so I am kind of stuck on this one. I just have to get a newer
monitor I guess.

The two machines are both i386 32-bit, but they are not identical. The
work machine is a Core Duo, and the home machine is a dual core
Pentium-4.

So I guess I would say that my results are mixed.

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RE: How many people need to use the proprietary NVIDIA driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

[Dan Burkland]

I have used the proprietary driver for its superb handling of 3D acceleration 
over nouveau. However, with the release of 2.6.33 near, I may give Nouveau as 
it now supports KMS (It may have in the past I'm not quite sure).  

Dan 

 

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> boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Steven I Usdansky
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 5:40 AM
> To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora.
> Subject: Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ?
> (Or other non kms driver ?)
> 
> On 12/23/2009 03:21 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> 
> > Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> > instead of the nouveau driver.
> >
> > If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
> > equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
> > freezing when you access some panel items ?
> 
> Nouveau driver will cause X to freeze my system (HP s3707c w/ onboard
> GeForce 9100), with rebooting being the only option. No problems at all
> with the proprietary nvidia driver.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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grub configuration, boot.

[Dj YB]

hello,

I have been trying to look over many solutions and tutorials with no luck.
my goal was and still is, to clone my internal 40GB hard-drive which contain 
fc11 on to my external usb-hard-drive 500GB.
aftar many tutorials I finally used Clonezilla.
that worked great and the hdd is cloned.
the problem is that the boot configurations are the same, and so when I boot 
from the usb-hdd I actually run from the internal hdd.
and now for the question.
since this usb-drive is meant to be able to boot on every computer,
I can I config grub to boot (run) the OS in the same drive it is being loaded 
from?

for example:
my current setup is that the fc11 internal drive is sdb and the usb-hdd is sde
and the same grub is (clone) on both drives.

any help is very appreciated.
thanks
YB.

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RE: [fedora-virt] how to active XEN on Fedora 12

[Dan Burkland]

Xen uses a special kernel so as far as I know you will first have to remove the 
default one with "yum remove kernel". Then try the " yum install xen 
virt-manager kernel-xen" command and it should work.

Regards,

Dan 

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> From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-
> boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dario Lesca
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 7:24 AM
> To: Boris Derzhavets
> Cc: Fedora Virt; Fedora Project List
> Subject: Re: [fedora-virt] how to active XEN on Fedora 12
> 
> Il giorno mer, 23/12/2009 alle 05.03 -0800, Boris Derzhavets ha scritto:
> > You can use F12's KVM, but once again Libvirt will be required to
> > manage VMs.
> > F12 is a bleeding edge system for development, high performance
> > virtualization
> > environment. You might not need it at all.
> > So,  VMware might be the best option for you.
> Thanks Boris, I use F12 on my Laptop and I want run some VM for test new
> version of distro.
> 
> Now I use qemu-kvm but each machine use 30/40% of CPU of host system.
> 
> I want use XEN to see if it works better...
> 
> I have found this note:
> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/rhel-centos-xen-virtualization-installation-
> howto.html
> 
> But if I run "yum install xen virt-manager kernel-xen" this is the
> output:
> 
> > % sudo LANG=C yum install xen virt-manager kernel-xen
> > Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, presto, refresh-packagekit
> > Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
> >  * fedora: ftp.uni-bayreuth.de
> >  * livna: ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de
> >  * rpmfusion-free: ftp.nb.lug.ro
> >  * rpmfusion-free-updates: ftp.nb.lug.ro
> >  * rpmfusion-nonfree: ftp.nb.lug.ro
> >  * rpmfusion-nonfree-updates: ftp.nb.lug.ro
> >  * updates: ftp.upjs.sk
> > Setting up Install Process
> > Package xen-3.4.1-5.fc12.x86_64 already installed and latest version
> > Package virt-manager-0.8.0-7.fc12.noarch already installed and latest
> version
> > Package kernel-2.6.31.6-166.fc12.x86_64 already installed and latest
> version
> > Nothing to do
> 
> then I'm looking for some thing to do after this
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
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Re: Booting Fedora-12 from hard disk, again, again

[Timothy Murphy]

jackson byers wrote:

>> There's no actual restriction on just where the ISO image itself is, so
>> long as you can feed the full path to Anaconda by specifying the device
>> and directory on that device (see
>> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f12/en-US/html/s1-
begininstall-hd-x86.html
>> for details).
> 
> Agreed, and that is the best reference

I was looking again at this reference,
and I really don't think it is very good,
or likely to be helpful to someone trying to boot from hard disk.

In the first place, I would have thought that almost anyone doing this
would want to (or need to) avoid CDs or DVDs altogether,
by abstracting vmlinuz, initrd.img and the images directory
from the ISO file,
and adding a stanza to grub.conf to boot from these.

There are no instructions for doing this, as far as I can see.
The implication seems to be that the user is running a Fedora CD or DVD,
and then wants to install from hard disk,
which seems bizarre to me.

If you can boot from CD or DVD, why not install that way?

Actually, the whole Installation Guide, while beautifully produced
and full of interesting information,
strikes me as more or less useless for anyone actually wanting
to install Fedora.
I get the impression the authors have never put themselves
in the position of a likely reader of the Guide,
who is almost certainly asking, 
"I want to install Fedora. What should I do?"



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Re: Nouveau driver with nvidia dual head

[Rallias UberNerd]

Copy the xorg.conf file from the cd to where it belongs.

On 12/17/09 2:04 PM, Kirk Lowery wrote:
I just installed Fedora 12 using the LiveCD. It discovered my nvidia 
and samsung hardware with the dual monitors. In particular, it 
stretched the default desktop background across both screens. All was 
well.


Until I rebooted. Then, when I logged in, the desktop background was 
no longer stretched across both monitors, but each monitor had its own 
complete copy. Everything else works right: all windows stretch across 
the monitors as one large desktop.


I've played around with all the settings, googled for the problem, no 
joy. I even installed the livna kmod drivers and they would only 
recognize one monitor. Besides, the LiveCD did TheRightThing(tm), so 
it ought to work.


Any suggestions on how I might proceed?

Kirk


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Re: OT: howto change Firefox's default print options

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage]

On Tue, 2009-12-22 at 16:02 -0800, Mike Wright wrote:
> Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-12-22 at 13:42 -0800, Mike Wright wrote:
> > 
> >> Rick Stevens wrote:
> >>> On 12/22/2009 11:32 AM, Mike Wright wrote:
>  Hi all,
> 
>  I need help with the default printing options in Firefox. It has a very
>  annoying "feature" when trying to print: it insists on providing me with
>  preselected headers and footers.
> 
> >>> I believe the things you're looking for are in about:config.  Look
> >>> for "print.printer_(printer_name).(attribute).  The attributes are:
> >>>
> >>> print_footercenter
> >>> print_footerleft
> >>> print_footerright
> >>> print_headercenter
> >>> print_headerleft
> >>> print_headerright
> >>>
> >> Thanks, Rick.
> >>
> >> Those are the ones I mucked with.  No cigar though.  Any changes made 
> >> there cause the status to change temporarily from default to 
> >> user_defined.  After printing the current document they revert back to 
> >> default.
> >>> 
> 
> > You've probably tried this, but just in case you haven't... :-)
> > 
> > File -> Print... -> Options tab -> Header and Footer
> > 
> > There are two rows of three pull-down option menu boxes that correspond
> > to the six about:config options you already found. You can set any or
> > all to --blank--. Any changes you make should be written to the
> > ~/.mozilla/firefox/.default/prefs.js file when you exit Firefox.
> > It should be owned by . and its access permissions should be
> > 755.
> 
> Unfortunately, there are only two ways out of the print box: print and 
> cancel.
> 
> Thanks, anyway

Mike,

Whether you make the changes in about:config or in the Print -> Options
tab, they're effective immediately. You don't need to click on a
Save/OK/Accept button. Any changes you make are retained in RAM and
aren't written to prefs.js and made permanent until you exit Firefox.

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boot screen font size?

[Tom Horsley]

With kernel mode setting, my (text mode, rhgb turned off) boot
screen on my HD TV monitor is about 8000 lines by 24 columns
(maybe not quite that many :-) with the font it picks by default
to use with 1920x1280 resolution.

Is there any way to convince it to pick a much much larger font
size during boot?

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Re: [fedora-virt] how to active XEN on Fedora 12

[Dario Lesca]

Il giorno mer, 23/12/2009 alle 05.03 -0800, Boris Derzhavets ha scritto:
> You can use F12's KVM, but once again Libvirt will be required to
> manage VMs.
> F12 is a bleeding edge system for development, high performance
> virtualization 
> environment. You might not need it at all.
> So,  VMware might be the best option for you. 
Thanks Boris, I use F12 on my Laptop and I want run some VM for test new
version of distro.

Now I use qemu-kvm but each machine use 30/40% of CPU of host system.

I want use XEN to see if it works better...

I have found this note:
http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/rhel-centos-xen-virtualization-installation-howto.html

But if I run "yum install xen virt-manager kernel-xen" this is the
output:

> % sudo LANG=C yum install xen virt-manager kernel-xen
> Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, presto, refresh-packagekit
> Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
>  * fedora: ftp.uni-bayreuth.de
>  * livna: ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de
>  * rpmfusion-free: ftp.nb.lug.ro
>  * rpmfusion-free-updates: ftp.nb.lug.ro
>  * rpmfusion-nonfree: ftp.nb.lug.ro
>  * rpmfusion-nonfree-updates: ftp.nb.lug.ro
>  * updates: ftp.upjs.sk
> Setting up Install Process
> Package xen-3.4.1-5.fc12.x86_64 already installed and latest version
> Package virt-manager-0.8.0-7.fc12.noarch already installed and latest version
> Package kernel-2.6.31.6-166.fc12.x86_64 already installed and latest version
> Nothing to do

then I'm looking for some thing to do after this

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Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

[Steve Searle]

Around 04:21am on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 (UK time), Linuxguy123 scrawled:

> DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free
> versions versus proprietary or anything else.

Please sir, can I have permission to post something.  I know you are in
charge and that this mailing list is run soley for your benefit.


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Re: Missing posts again ??

[Steve Searle]

Around 04:10am on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 (UK time), Antonio Olivares 
scrawled:

> +1000
> 
> I have reported this before too :(
> 
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-November/msg00448.html
> 
> Strange behavior, not just me (TM)

Post the email headers. Lets see where the delay is.

I run my own local email server, and my email comes directly to it.  I
haven't (touch wood) experienced any delays.

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Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

[Richard Shaw]

On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Linuxguy123  wrote:
> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> instead of the nouveau driver.
>
> Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching.
>
> DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free
> versions versus proprietary or anything else.
>
> If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
> equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
> freezing when you access some panel items ?

I use the akmods from rpmfusion on 3 systems without issue. Although
KMS is pretty, I get close enough with the vga=0x318 kernel parameter.
No freezing of any sort noticed under Gnome.

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Re: [fedora-virt] how to active XEN on Fedora 12

[Dario Lesca]

Il giorno mar, 22/12/2009 alle 11.05 -0800, Boris Derzhavets ha scritto:
> http://bderzhavets.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/setup-ubuntu-9-10-server-pv-domu-at-xen-3-4-1-dom0-2-6-31-6-pvops-kernel-on-top-of-fedora-12/
> 
Thank Boris for reply, but I want only use "yum install something ...".

I'm not a guru of Linux, I don't want to do "rpmbuild ...;
configure ..., make something ...; ecc..", this is the past.

If for use XEN i must "make something ..." I will continue to use "rpm
-i VMware-server-2.0.2." or another distro that will not need to
build something.

Then: It is possible use XEN in Fedora 12 without rebuild some things?

And, if yes, how to?

Thanks



> From: Dario Lesca 
> To: Fedora Virt 
> Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 7:10:40 PM
> Subject: [fedora-virt] how to active XEN on Fedora 12
> 
> hi, I have 'yum install xen*' on fedora 12 64 bit and reboot.
> But the service xen* not start, the folder /proc/xen is missing.
> 
> What should I do now?
> 
> How to start and Use XEN?
> 
> Many thanks
> 
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Re: Missing posts again ??

[Tim]

On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 04:52 -0500, William Case wrote:
> The blockage seems to be at the fedora-list

You can tell, for sure, by reading the mail headers and looking at the
dates and times for each server it's gone through.

> or why else would I receive a block of 61 posts, some of the posts
> current and some two or three days old. 

Usually delays for list mail are at the ISP level, they've decided that
bulk mail may be spam, and de-prioritised it, or greylisted it, or it's
held back while being checked (and taking far too long doing so).

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Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

[Colin Paul Adams]

> "Linuxguy123" == Linuxguy123   writes:

Linuxguy123> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the
Linuxguy123> proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau
Linuxguy123> driver.

Linuxguy123> DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate
Linuxguy123> on the free versions versus proprietary or anything
Linuxguy123> else.

Stellarium won't work otherwise (it requires 3D acceleration).

Linuxguy123> If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or
Linuxguy123> some other non kms equipped driver, how are you
Linuxguy123> finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience freezing when you
Linuxguy123> access some panel items ?

No such problems for me.
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Re: New plugin for system-config-network for PPTP connections

[Gilboa Davara]

On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 21:02 +1000, Сергей Варюхин wrote:
> Hi, i create new plugin for system-config-network as my course work in
> FESU university. It is plugin for PPTP connections.
> 
> See links to archive and patch for details. Unfortunately, i don't
> know how to send patches in initscripts (ifup and ifdown scripts
> etc.), so can somebody do it yourself instead me? 
> I include in message links to .patch-file with my modifications to
> latest HEAD of system-config-network and archive file with package
> snapshot from my fedora 11 installation. (ifup-pptp and ifdown-pptp
> scripts can be found in this archive)
> It is strange: i send this patches to maintainer of
> system-config-network (har...@redhat.com) one week ago, but still no
> answer from him. Does anybody can suggest me, how rightly send patches
> to upstream of system-config-network and initscripts?
> 
> Thanks in advance. Cepreu.

Try posting a message in Fedora-devel mailing list [1] - or file an RFE
(request for enhancement) in the bugzilla [2].

- Gilboa
[1] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
[2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/



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Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

[Steven I Usdansky]

On 12/23/2009 03:21 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:

> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> instead of the nouveau driver.
>
> If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
> equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
> freezing when you access some panel items ?

Nouveau driver will cause X to freeze my system (HP s3707c w/ onboard GeForce 
9100), with rebooting being the only option. No problems at all with the 
proprietary nvidia driver. 



  

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Re: Missing posts again ??

[DB]

On 12/23/2009 05:19 AM, fedora-list-requ...@redhat.com wrote:

Hi;

On Tue, 2009-12-22 at 20:24 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
   

>  On Tue, 2009-12-22 at 11:00 -0500, William Case wrote:
 

>  >  Hi;
>  >  
>  >  I am once again not receiving some posts from the fedora-list.
   
>  >  
   

>  Is it possible that you configured the list for awhile not to seed your
>  posts back to you.
 

No.  I haven't been into my fedora-list profile for a while and it has
always worked before.  Besides, not only am I losing some of my own
posts coming back, but I am losing responses to my posts and even one or
two responses to other people's threads.

However, today I have been receiving today's postings today like I
normally do.

**  Just now, as I was typing this at 9:41 pm EST, I received 61
fedora-list posts.  Six or seven of the posts are current.  The rest are
marked yesterday or two days ago and include all the posts I was looking
for.

It doesn't make sense.

   
Glad it wasn't just happening to me!  BTW, do you get some of the lists 
in pale turquoise on black?  I've had 3 or 4 turn up like that since the 
weekend, & have just found that the 'View_ Message body as' option had 
changed itself from plain text to "original HTML"  Curiouser & 
curiouser.


Dave

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Re: Mount of .dmg (mac image) files on Linux Fedora fails

[Michael Welle]

Hi,

Mark Ryden  writes:

> Hello,
> Thanks !
> tried using this tool, and running this:
> ./dmgx.sh Firefox\ 3.5.6.dmg firefox iso
> got
> ...
> No errors reported.
> and firefox iso was created
>
> but
> file firefox iso
> gives
> firefox.iso: data
> and
> mount -t iso9660 -o loop firefox.iso  /mnt/test/
> gives:
> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0,
>missing codepage or helper program, or other error
>In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
>dmesg | tail  or so
hm, dmg is a container format AFAIK. Maybe there are different types of
content possible and dmgextractor can only handle some of them? Another
tool I've hear about is 'acetoneiso', which is advertised to handle a
lot of different formats.

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New plugin for system-config-network for PPTP connections

[Сергей Варюхин]

Hi, i create new plugin for system-config-network as my course work in FESU
university. It is plugin for PPTP
connections.
 See links to archive and patch for details. Unfortunately, i don't know how
to send patches in initscripts (ifup and ifdown scripts etc.), so can
somebody do it yourself instead me?
I include in message links to .patch-file with my modifications to latest
HEAD of system-config-network and archive file with package snapshot from my
fedora 11 installation. (ifup-pptp and ifdown-pptp scripts can be found in
this archive)
It is strange: i send this patches to maintainer of system-config-network (
har...@redhat.com) one week ago, but still no answer from him. Does anybody
can suggest me, how rightly send patches to upstream of
system-config-network and initscripts?

Thanks in advance. Cepreu.

Links:
http://www.vcst.ru/cepreu/0001-This-is-new-plugin-which-add-support-for-PPTP-conne.patch
http://www.vcst.ru/cepreu/Package.tar.bz2
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Re: Tar oddity...

[Chris Smart]

2009/12/23 Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano :
>
> Well that's not totally true, the data could be in cache (for read) so

That's true.

-c

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Thunderbird search option is not working

[Jatin K]

Dear all

I'm using thunderbird 3.0-4 on my Fedora 12 64bit .. all works fine but 
not search ... whenever I try to search mail for particular item, every 
time it founds nothing. thus I'm unable to search anything in thunderbird


can any one tell me the solution for this 




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Re: Mount of .dmg (mac image) files on Linux Fedora fails

[suvayu ali]

2009/12/23 Michael Welle :
> Hi,
>
> Mark Ryden  writes:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Why can't I mount a dmg (macintosh image) file on Fedora 11 ?
>>
>> I tried mounting several .dmg mac files did not have any success with it.
> maybe [1] is the way to go? I stumbled upon it while searching for a way
> to 'unzip' firmware updates for this other platform. But I haven't
> tested it yet. Feedback is welcome ;).
>
>
> Regards
> hmw
>
> [1] http://hem.bredband.net/catacombae/dmgx.html
>

Worked for me, although was bit of a resource hog. Couldn't even
bookmark the homepage for the project! Had to wait until it was done
writing the iso. Its a very nifty utility and I am pleasantly
surprised after looking for something like this for quite a while.

Thanks for posting this. :)
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Re: Mount of .dmg (mac image) files on Linux Fedora fails

[Mark Ryden]

Hello,
Thanks !
tried using this tool, and running this:
./dmgx.sh Firefox\ 3.5.6.dmg firefox iso
got
...
No errors reported.
and firefox iso was created

but
file firefox iso
gives
firefox.iso: data
and
mount -t iso9660 -o loop firefox.iso  /mnt/test/
gives:
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0,
   missing codepage or helper program, or other error
   In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
   dmesg | tail  or so

Rgs,
Mark








On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Michael Welle  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Mark Ryden  writes:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Why can't I mount a dmg (macintosh image) file on Fedora 11 ?
>>
>> I tried mounting several .dmg mac files did not have any success with it.
> maybe [1] is the way to go? I stumbled upon it while searching for a way
> to 'unzip' firmware updates for this other platform. But I haven't
> tested it yet. Feedback is welcome ;).
>
>
> Regards
> hmw
>
> [1] http://hem.bredband.net/catacombae/dmgx.html
>
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Re: Tar oddity...

[Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano]

Il giorno mer, 23/12/2009 alle 20.23 +1100, Chris Smart ha scritto:
> 2009/12/23 Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano :
> >
> > The umount command does the "sync" so if you run
> > "umount /media/My_External_HDD" and then you get back to the shell, you
> > are safe to remove the HDD.
> 
> My point was to run the sync command and then run the checksum before
> unmounting This ensures that the data is written to the disk so that
> it can be read off the physical device.

Well that's not totally true, the data could be in cache (for read) so
with the sync command you are sure that all the bits are written to the
physical device, but when you read the data may comes from the OS cache,
may be that you can do a large copy (eg. copy 10-12Gb of data depending
on your RAM/SWAP configuration) and then make a checksum of the data.
you can umount the device, run fsck on it, reboot, remount the device
and then issue an md5.
If everything is right you should have the same checksum.

Pietro

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Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

[Andrew Haley]

On 12/23/2009 04:21 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> instead of the nouveau driver.
> 
> Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching.
> 
> DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free
> versions versus proprietary or anything else.

I'm still using the proprietary driver because I need full dual-link DVI
support at 2560x1600 resolution.  I haven't found a free driver that can
do that.

Andrew.

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Re: Missing posts again ??

[William Case]

Thanks Patrick;

On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 08:55 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-12-22 at 22:02 -0500, William Case wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-12-22 at 21:50 -0500, William Case wrote:
> > > Hi;
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > **  Just now, as I was typing this at 9:41 pm EST, I received 61
> > > fedora-list posts.  Six or seven of the posts are current.  The rest are
> > > marked yesterday or two days ago and include all the posts I was looking
> > > for.
> > > 
> > > It doesn't make sense.
> > 
> > It really doesn't make sense, this last post turned around and was sent
> > back to me in 15 minutes.  As well, when I checked closer, I am still
> > missing a couple (a few) posts from Sunday and maybe Saturday.
> 
> Bill, it may seem counterintuitive but it's perfectly legitimate for
> mail to arrive out of order. There are no guarantees, even for the
> ordering of messages sent between the same two addresses.
> 

I do understand how email works and how it is forwarded from site to
site sometimes taking a circuitous route. I am not expecting that it
should follow in exact order.

However, I belong to 11 mailing lists.  Granted, none of the others has
as much traffic as the fedora-list but none of them ever get blocked for
two or three days like the fedora-list.  And the instances of
blockage/delay with fedora-list seems random.  I can go several months
with no problem.

The blockage seems to be at the fedora-list or why else would I receive
a block of 61 posts, some of the posts current and some two or three
days old.  It seems that this weekend fedora-list had about 200
messages.  I received about 100 in the normal fashion throughout the
weekend (i.e. in batches of 1-7 messages), then a block of 61 and then
later an additional block of 35 late yesterday.

The problem with these delays is not that I have email that is so
important. It is that once I develop a feeling that I cannot trust the
orderly exchange of mail, I find myself continually having to check the
archive to see if my post arrived or if there has been a response.  

Also, I don't live in a remote area where I might expect physical
interruptions or primitive service conditions.  Gawd knows, I pay enough
monthly to my local IP to expect good service.

> That said, it's certainly not *usual*, so something seems to be going
> on, but knowing exactly what means tracing the mail's path via its
> headers. Take a look at the detailed header info of some delayed
> messages (especially the timestamps) and you'll probably be able to
> identify where the blockage is occurring.


I tried that earlier and then the problem self-corrected.  I will try
again to trace the delay.  Now that I have confirmation this may also be
happening to other people, the effort might be worthwhile.


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Re: Mount of .dmg (mac image) files on Linux Fedora fails

[Michael Welle]

Hi,

Mark Ryden  writes:

> Hello,
>
> Why can't I mount a dmg (macintosh image) file on Fedora 11 ?
>
> I tried mounting several .dmg mac files did not have any success with it.
maybe [1] is the way to go? I stumbled upon it while searching for a way
to 'unzip' firmware updates for this other platform. But I haven't
tested it yet. Feedback is welcome ;).


Regards
hmw

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Re: Tar oddity...

[Chris Smart]

2009/12/23 Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano :
>
> The umount command does the "sync" so if you run
> "umount /media/My_External_HDD" and then you get back to the shell, you
> are safe to remove the HDD.

My point was to run the sync command and then run the checksum before
unmounting This ensures that the data is written to the disk so that
it can be read off the physical device.

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Mount of .dmg (mac image) files on Linux Fedora fails

[Mark Ryden]

Hello,

Why can't I mount a dmg (macintosh image) file on Fedora 11 ?

I tried mounting several .dmg mac files did not have any success with it.

Here is an example:
I downloaded "Firefox\ 3.5.6.dmg" from
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/products/download.html?product=firefox-3.5.6&os=osx&lang=en-US

running:
file Firefox\ 3.5.6.dmg
gives:
Firefox 3.5.6.dmg: bzip2 compressed data, block size = 900k

Running
mount -t hfs -o loop Firefox\ 3.5.6.dmg /mnt/mac/
and:
mount -t hfsplus -o loop Firefox\ 3.5.6.dmg /mnt/mac/
gives (in both cases)
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0,
   missing codepage or helper program, or other error
   In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
   dmesg | tail  or so

end in the kernel sys log I see:
can't find a HFS filesystem on dev loop0.   
unable to find HFS+ superblock

Any ideas?

Rgs,
Mark

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Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

[Joonas Sarajärvi]

I use whatever Fedora uses when it is run in a Qemu/KVM virtual
machine. If I recall correctly, this driver has not yet gained KVM
capabilities.

I wonder why KMS support has been so slow to appear for the simplest devices.

2009/12/23, steven bellens :
> 2009/12/23 Roger :
>> On 12/23/2009 03:21 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
>>>
>>> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
>>> instead of the nouveau driver.
>>>
>>> If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
>>> equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
>>> freezing when you access some panel items ?
>
> I use the proprietary nvidia driver with Fedora core 12 KDE. After
> installing I experienced desktop freezing when accessing the KDE menu,
> which was solved rather quickly by applying the fix of Rex Dieter:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533620. I had no problems
> whatsover with the driver combined with KDE afterwards.
>
> Steven
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I use kmod-nvidia in Fedora 11 and akmod-nvidia in Fedora 12 because
>>> Nouveau is useless for 3D applications like Blender and Varicad.
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
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Re: Tar oddity...

[Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano]

Il giorno mer, 23/12/2009 alle 08.46 +, Patrick O'Callaghan ha
scritto:
> AFAIK in modern Linux systems running "sync" doesn't actually guarantee
> anything beyond what "umount" is already doing.
> 
> poc

The umount command does the "sync" so if you run
"umount /media/My_External_HDD" and then you get back to the shell, you
are safe to remove the HDD.
I've experienced file corruption and oddity with reiserfs on a 400Gb
HDD, nothing important was lost, but it was quite annoying.
Which FS are you using on the HDD?

Pietro

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RE: Moving to Fedora .. my GUI gone..

[Ishmael Chibvuri]

Hie there

I tried to install KDE (K desktop), removing GNOME desktop and all its
utilities from Linux Ubuntu since I wanted some nice features from
Fedora..

After rebooting.. Only the shell comes up..  the GUI is not starting... 

where could I be going wrong.. After converting .rpm files from the fedora
disc to .deb using "alien",I installed all the core KDE files...listed below
:

amarok  artscompiz-kde
digikam gpgme   im-chooser
caffeinekde-settings-pulseaudio kdeaccessibility
kdeaddons   kdeartwork  kdebase
kdegraphics kdegraphics-extras  kdemultimedia
kdenetwork  kdepim  kdeutils
kdmthemekftgrabber  kipi-plugins
knetworkmanager conversationkpowersave
ktorrentpinentry-qt scim-qt..
scribus xdg-utils   xdg-users-dirs
xine-lib-arts   zenity

Is there a registry setting somewhere, which needs to be edited, to point to
the new GUI (KDE). 



Regards
 
(o< Ishmael Chibvuri
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-Original Message-
From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com]
On Behalf Of Steven Stern
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 3:05 AM
To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora.
Subject: Re: Upgraded Fedora 12, only loads shell...Need GUI if possible

On 12/22/2009 06:01 PM, Matt Kalinec wrote:
> Hey people...
> 
> I just upgraded a 256mb ram laptop that I had FC11 running on to FC12, but
> now it only loads shell. I need the GUI accessible to, if that is
possible.
> 
> I'm still fairly new to Fedora, and could use the help.
> 
> Thanks!
> Matt Kalinec
> 
According to the release notes, Fedora *should* run in graphical mode
with 256MB, but is that much really there?  That is, is your graphics
card using some of the 256?

If you want to keep that computer, you need more memory.

http://www.crucial.com/

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Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

[steven bellens]

2009/12/23 Roger :
> On 12/23/2009 03:21 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
>>
>> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
>> instead of the nouveau driver.
>>
>> If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
>> equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
>> freezing when you access some panel items ?

I use the proprietary nvidia driver with Fedora core 12 KDE. After
installing I experienced desktop freezing when accessing the KDE menu,
which was solved rather quickly by applying the fix of Rex Dieter:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533620. I had no problems
whatsover with the driver combined with KDE afterwards.

Steven


>>
>>
>>
>> I use kmod-nvidia in Fedora 11 and akmod-nvidia in Fedora 12 because
>> Nouveau is useless for 3D applications like Blender and Varicad.
>
> Roger
>
>
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