Re: small gripe .... -- bug filed
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 10:11 AM, BeartoothHOS bearto...@comcast.net wrote: Bug 605817 - bug/feature request : Main Menu lacuna at bugzilla.gnome.org You can make a URL directly to the bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=605817 Just so you know. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Sound crackles at when logging in or starting to play in F12
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 5:09 AM, James Allsopp jamesaalls...@googlemail.com wrote: I was wondering if anyone could solve this problem, whenever I log into F12 or start music, I get a burst of static through my speakers. I've done some research and found out about this, but is this likely to be the cause? There's no harm in trying it out... The PulseAudio sound server has been rewritten to use timer-based audio scheduling instead of the traditional interrupt-driven approach. Timer-based scheduling may expose issues in some Alsa drivers. To turn timer-based scheduling off, replace the line load-module module-hal-detect in /etc/pulse/default.pa by load-module module-hal-detect tsched=0 I had made a note of this in F11 because it solved a very bad problem running flash videos and other things. On F12 (on a new machine), I had a problem with occasional (frequent) ticks, like a skip on a vinyl record, and had a problem where the mouse pointer would stick when moving it about. Very annoying. I finally remembered the fix in F11 and thought it might apply to F12. I applied the tsched=0 bit and have had no more problems. Hurray! By the way, module-hal-detect is loaded in system.pa on F12, not default.pa. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RFE? Or am I wasting my time?
Ok, I proceed fully knowing that, from here on, I will carry a reputation as a senseless pedant. But this kind of stuff drives me nuts. In the transition from F11 to F12, the context menu in Nautilus lost Create Archive and gained Compress in its place. I want the old menu item back, which is not only clearer of meaning (in my opinion), but objectively more correct and accurate. The term Compress suggests that some change is being made to the file, like foo.txt being replaced by foo.txt.gz. In fact, what I'm doing is creating an archive, that may or may not be compressed, and leaving the original file alone. I know what it's going to do, but the terminology feels clumsy nonetheless, and reminds me of the Microsoft-style rush to dumb down language throughout the system that seems to pervade Linux distros nowadays. So I thought to file a RFE about it except: What component would it be against? Its location in the menu suggests that it's some sort of Nautilus extension, but I can't figure what package its in. How does one make a bugzilla an RFE? Do I just prefix RFE to the summary? Am I the only person in the world that cares? I mean, would it just be a waste of time for my to file a RFE that's inevitably going to be ignored or closed NOTABUG? -Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Annoyance Re: Gnotes ?!?
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net wrote: When you right click on a panel and the choose to dd to Panel, one of the things you can add is gnote. This appears as a yellow icon in gnome, unopened. No search window appears until you click on the gnote icon. But putting a launcher in the panel is not the same as automatically starting GNote when logging in. I am annoyed by this also. Launching GNote from the menu simply puts the GNote icon in the notification area. Starting it by adding it to the session startup apps starts it with the search dialog visible. (And I'm not sure how to get rid of that search dialog without quitting and restarting GNote.) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: RFE? Or am I wasting my time?
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Sam Sharpe lists.red...@samsharpe.net wrote: It's in file-roller: Thanks. I didn't actually notice until you pointed it out and while I don't actually care either way, your reasoning makes sense - which is a valid argument for an RFE. Since I'm not automatically insane for noticing this I went ahead and filed the RFE: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=549501 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Always need authentication to print?
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net wrote: In that screen in system-config-printer did you fill in the: user-name and passwd boxes. Evidently that is sometimes needed,, and filling those boxes should solve your problem. I never knew that there were user-name and passwd boxes. They certainly weren't easy to find. Had to click on the Change... button next to the Device URI entry. (Which doesn't make any intuitive sense to me since I can just change the URI in the entry directly.) Then I had to enter the root password *twice* before it would draw the resulting dialog. Then I changed the radio selection to Set authentication details now and entered the printer's Username and Password into the entries and clicked Apply. Then I was prompted for the root password *again*. So now I'm back at the Printer Properties dialog. I click the Print Test Page button and Printer State changes to Idle - Tree connect failed (NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED), which I interpret as some kind of error. However, the printer spits out a test page! But alas, still no joy in the non-test-page world. Every time I print, the system asks for the printer's Username and Password. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Always need authentication to print?
I'm running F12 (preupgraded from F11, which was formerly preupgraded from F10, etc.) here on my work machine. Since the upgrade to F12, whenever I print to our Windows-shared printer, I'm presented with a User/Password challenge. The User defaults to my local user name, which is not the name required by the printer. Openoffice doesn't seem to suffer from this problem. For everything else (Firefox, gedit, evince), I need to enter a user name and password every time I print. Surely, this isn't the way it's intended to work; what can be done? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Always need authentication to print?
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net wrote: print using this magic phrase: smb://domain/sweerver/printername as in: smb://WORKGROUP/patrica/HPLaswerJ2 No passwds needed. system-config-pinter will indicate this form of printer access. Thanks for replying! I don't exactly understand. Under Properties for the printer in question, Device URI indicates: smb://EXTRATECH/SIRIUS/HP, which would be the domain, server, and printer that I'm trying to use. Still, I'm queried for User/Password every time I print. -Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Install on new computer keeping OEM OS
Hello! I just got a brand-new machine with Windows 7 pre-installed on its massive hard drive. Of course, Fedora is more my style, but I'd like to keep the original OS intact and dual boot. My question is this then: How safe is it really to allow the installer to resize the existing partition with Win7 already there? I saw that it had the option, but I was terrified to try it. At this point, I've never booted the OEM hard drive. I just immediately plugged in the drive from my previous computer and booted F11 to check for basic hardware compatibility, so the machine's drive is yet-untouched. -Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: how to start with simple SDL programming?
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:27 AM, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: having never done any SDL programming before (so be gentle), what would i need to do to get started in terms of loading framebuffer support for my first program? SDL is pretty easy stuff, really. Someone with relatively little programming experience can get basic blitting and sound to work with just a few lines of code, mostly copy/pasted from examples. I got started years ago with the book Programming Linux Games by John R. Hall. This book was easy to follow with clear, incremental examples. Later I picked up Focus On SDL by Earnest Pazera at the fire sale when CompUSA closed shop. I'm not sure that I ever got around to reading it. But I don't even think you need to buy a book. Online tutorials and code examples abound. Just google sdl programming tutorial and dive in. If what you mean by loading frambuffer support is actually using hardware acceleration then that's a bit more complicated. I half-heartedly attempted to use hardware a few years ago with no success on my machine. But I've written several windowed and full-screen programs that didn't suffer noticeably from the lack of hardware acceleration. -Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: stop stupidly telling people to do yum clean all when it's not necessary
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Tim wrote: Alan Evans: I presume you can otherwise use the network -- DNS working, etc. So did you try yum clean all? I think you can even do it from one of the menus in yumex. Why do you suggest yum clean all? Would you also suggest format and re-install? Why do people keep offering STUPID yum clean all advice? Do people even know what it does? Does anyone think before issuing advice anymore? In fact, I googled the OP's error and found multiple sources suggesting it as a starting point. So maybe I didn't think before posting, but I did do some research. I have myself found that yum clean all apparently fixes many problems even when I'm not sure why it should. When I have a problem updating, I usually start with cleaning the cache and metadata just to establish a baseline. Ninety percent of the time, this first step makes my problem go away. But apparently that approach means I'm stupid. It's rarely ever necessary. It wipes out your entire cache of downloaded packages, forcing you to get them again if you're part way through downloading/updating, wasting your bandwidth, time, and the server. Given the OP's complaint, I didn't imagine that he was part way through downloading anything. To clean the data about what's available to yum, simply use yum clean metadata. People, stop issuing stupid advice. Yes, it IS stupid advice, it's offering things without due thought. That is what being stupid means. Well, I'm sorry that I'm stupid. In the future, if I think I might be able to help someone, I'll just keep my mouth shut. Community assistance, indeed. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: stop stupidly telling people to do yum clean all when it's not necessary
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: IOW the sensible procedure is: yum clean metadata iff that doesn't solve the problem: yum clean all It doesn't happen often enough that I would care about the difference. It's not like I sit staring at the updater while it regets the cache. All I want is that the update proceeds without much mental energy on my part. Remember, we stupid people don't much like thinking... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: stop stupidly telling people to do yum clean all when it's not necessary
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: IOW the sensible procedure is: yum clean metadata iff that doesn't solve the problem: yum clean all And another thing: The OP actually stated he was using yumex. I just double-checked and yumex doesn't have a menu option to clean the metadata, just one to clean all. So my advice was actually more tailored to the user, despite my apparent inability to walk and chew gum at the same time. Peace all. Have a great mailing list. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Yumex: Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: fedora
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 1:32 AM, Jwalant Natvarlal Soneji wrote: What could be the issue? It is on Fedora 10. I presume you can otherwise use the network -- DNS working, etc. So did you try yum clean all? I think you can even do it from one of the menus in yumex. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox download - open containing folder
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Steven Stern wrote: When I click Open Containing Folderon the Firefox download window, it asks me to choose an application. What application should that be? Known bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497710 Different things work for different people. For some, nothing works. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What is the plan for sound for F12 ?
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Linuxguy123linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote: Half the posts on this list are for sound issues. Clearly whatever F11 is using isn't working. So what is the plan for F12 ? When will the Fedora sound system be given an appropriate level of priority such that sound works at least as well as it did in F10 ? Sorry, I haven't been following the various PulseAudio threads, but has anyone suggested disabling the glitch-free feature in response to some of these issues? I had very serious problems (on only one of my installs) that were related to this feature. Flash video on the web would freeze up, Totem and Rhythmbox couldn't get through more than a minute or two of any media file. It was very bad, and hard to pinpoint since the problems didn't seem related to sound directly. The applications themselves would lockup or go full-CPU and drag the entire system down. The only real clue was some errors in /var/log/messages that seemed to cryptically point to the audio drivers. Much google searching on those messages lead me to glitch-free. I don't recall where I found my answer, but it was much like the advice at the bottom of this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GlitchFreeAudio Follow the advice under Release Notes pertaining to tsched=0 and see if PulseAudio issues go away. It worked miracles for me. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Ugly panel icon for Firefox
A recent (last month or so) update changed the launch icon for Firefox in my panel. Whereas it was smaller and sharper looking, now it's larger and, subjectively, uglier. I put a screenshot here: http://alanevans.org/lists/fedora-list-20090821.png I distinctly recall that the icon used to be smaller and sharper looking, much like the Thunderbird icon beside it. Now it just looks oversized for my panel and out of place. The same ugly icon appears on my recently fresh-installed and fully updated F11 machine at home. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Ugly panel icon for Firefox
Just one followup to this, and then I'll shut up, I promise. I booted a Fedora 11 LiveCD, did a yum install thunderbird and put the launcher on the panel for reference: http://alanevans.org/lists/fedora-list-20090821a.png Then I did yum update firefox and suddenly: http://alanevans.org/lists/fedora-list-20090821b.png So I am remembering correctly that the icon used to be nicer. Really. I'm not crazy... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: can't boot fresh install
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Alan Evans wrote: Ok. Given the totality of my experience so far combined with the many replies I've received in this thread, I was inclined to believe that starting with a Mac-formatted disk was really causing me serious trouble. I really need a working system here, so i decided to save an image of the hard drive and start fresh. I dd'd the hard drive onto another, external drive in case I ever wanted it back, then I used fdisk to fix the apparently broken partition table. For good measure, I even created a dummy partition and ran mke2fs on it to assure the drive was in good shape. Instead of using fdisk, use parted to create an empty partition, and then copy your installed partition back to the drive. parted will take care of all the little booking details so tha things should work. It is also faster then dd because it does not need to copy the unused parts of the partition - it understands file systems. Sorry it took me so long to reply to this; I have to sleep and go to work at least sometimes. Pre-creating partitions didn't help. The installer still choked on it claiming that the partition table was messed up. So I tried your suggested of writing zeros over the beginning of the drive, not very hopeful. But it worked! The install proceeded without a hitch and the PC booted the installed OS. (Add fanfare.) However, now that the system is running, fdisk reports: Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 26 204800 83 Linux Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. /dev/sda2 26 24321 195153601 8e Linux LVM So I'm still confused about the disagreement between fdisk and anaconda regarding how to lay down a partition table. Being an old-school kind of guy, I'm inclined to believe fdisk, but I don't really know how to confirm it one way or the other. The most important thing to me is that the system is running and my wife can leave me alone about getting online! -Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: can't boot fresh install
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 12:23 AM, Howard Wilkinson wrote: Alan Evans wrote: Just did a fresh install of F11 on a P4. The SATA hard disk was repatriated from a broken iMac. I didn't have install disks handy, so I downloaded the netinstall image and installed the whole thing over my home DSL. This took nearly a day and a half, and I don't want to repeat that process if I can avoid it. I instructed anaconda to remove everything and use the whole drive. The installer never complained of any trouble. When I went to reboot, the system refused to recognize the hard drive as bootable. I jacked around with BIOS settings to no avail. Finally, I booted from the install CD and selected rescue mode. Rescue mode mounted /dev/sda2 on /mnt/sysimage. I looked and the install appears intact. I ran fdisk on /dev/sda and it complained, Device contains neither a valid DOS partition table, nor Sun, SGI or OSF disklabel. And then further down, Warning: invalid flag 0x of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite). There are no partitions listed when I select p to do so. At this point, I'm petrified. What can be done to fix this and get Fedora to boot? Ok, maybe I'm asking the wrong question... Does anybody have an idea why anaconda/rescue mode can find and mount my root partition on /dev/sda2, but fdisk can't even recognize that my disk has a partition table at all? you are running fdisk on /dev/sda and not /dev/sda2? Thanks for taking an interest in my plight! I am, indeed, certain that I ran fdisk against the correct device. I've done it several times. Just confirmed it again. I did miss one thing in my original description. I misread the output from df, which now appears to show /dev/mapper/vg_home-lv_root mounted on /mnt/sysimage and /dev/sda2 is mounted on /mnt/sysimage/boot. So it would appear that my boot partition is sda2. (I didn't choose any special partitioning during install, just accepted the default.) I'm still confused about how anaconda can possibly mount a partition (two, including the boot partition) when fdisk thinks the partition table is invalid. -Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: can't boot fresh install
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 1:27 AM, Frank Murphy (Frankly3D)frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/08/09 23:11, Alan Evans wrote: On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Frank Murphy (Frankly3D) wrote: Did you try when in rescue mode chroot /mnt/sysimage grub-install /dev/sda1 and see what happens. Unknown partition table signature Unknown partition table signature Unknown partition table signature Unknown partition table signature Unknown partition table signature The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. Reading some of your newer replies. My mistake This should have been grub-install /dev/sda2 Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, the result is identical. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: can't boot fresh install
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 1:34 AM, Frank Murphy (Frankly3D) wrote: On 09/08/09 09:32, Alan Evans wrote: --snip-- Reading some of your newer replies. My mistake This should have been grub-install /dev/sda2 Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, the result is identical. Is there any way you can capture what does come up on screen, how far you get. Even if you have to upload a picture and link to it. What comes up in response to the grub-install? It's exactly what I posted a couple messages back: sh-4.0# chroot /mnt/sysimage sh-4.0# grub-install /dev/sda2 Unknown partition table signature Unknown partition table signature Unknown partition table signature Unknown partition table signature Unknown partition table signature The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. sh-4.0# -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: can't boot fresh install
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 1:45 AM, Frank Murphy (Frankly3D) wrote: No, I meant if you try and boot normally. from the hard disk, without any cd\dvd Sorry, I thought I must be misunderstanding your question. Removing the rescue disc from the CD drive results in: DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER Also can you post the output of blkid /dev/loop0: TYPE=squashfs /dev/sda2: UUID=58bff551-9c48-4de4-bdda-925c9723c5d7 TYPE=ext3 /dev/sda3: UUID=PUBQIG-U0DE-pg7E-fqD9-sSTI-hR2q-Kcn5R8 TYPE=lvm2pv /dev/dm-0: UUID=e2ea8c9c-18cb-4ad2-9986-9915169b58f5 TYPE=ext4 /dev/dm-1: UUID=03b40559-75d9-40ee-a738-4fb0106c615d TYPE=swap and menu.lst # grub.conf generated by anaconda # # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file # NOTICE: You have a /boot partition. This means that # all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg. # root (hd0,1) # kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/mapper/vg_home-lv_root # initrd /initrd-version.img #boot=/dev/sda default=0 timeout=0 splashimage=(hd0,1)/grub/splash.xpm.gz hiddenmenu title Fedora (2.6.29.6-217.2.3.fc11.i686.PAE) root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.29.6-217.2.3.fc11.i686.PAE ro root=/dev/mapper/vg_home-lv_root rhgb quiet initrd /initrd-2.6.29.6-217.2.3.fc11.i686.PAE.img editor of choice (vi) /boot/grub/menu.lst you can possibly email both using a liveCD, if you have one. I don't have a LiveCD handy, only the netinstall CD. Downloading a LiveCD would take me a very long time. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: can't boot fresh install
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 2:14 AM, Frank Murphy (Frankly3D) wrote: I don't have a LiveCD handy, only the netinstall CD. Downloading a LiveCD would take me a very long time. Send me you postal address *offlist*. and I will send you on one. That's very kind of you, sir, but hardly efficient. If it came to it, I could easily have a LiveCD on Monday as I probably already have an iso on my computer at work. I was just hoping to make more progress this weekend. (The sooner my wife can get back on her mommy-blogs, the happier everyone here will be.) Are we really at a stopping point until I have one? I'm desperate enough that I toyed with the idea of allowing fdisk to clear the partition table then rerun the installer and interrupt it just after it writes the default partitions to disk (on the assumption that they would be the same as the table I *should* have now). I'm still too cowardly to try it. -Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: can't boot fresh install
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertsonmik...@infinity-ltd.com wrote: G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: On 08/09/2009 04:17 AM, Alan Evans wrote: I'm still confused about how anaconda can possibly mount a partition (two, including the boot partition) when fdisk thinks the partition table is invalid. The kernel is capable of dealing with HFS (Apple) partitions! I suspect that you failed to zero the MBR before moving the drive from the Mac to the Linux box. If you use the hfsutils or hfsplus-tools package you'll get a set of tools that can see the partitions for that drive. Thes tools are not installed by default. (yum info *hfs*) Good luck. I wounder if LILO would work? It doesn't under file systems at all. But I am not sure if the scripts run when you update the kernel work with LILO. Then again, the BIOS may refuse to boot if it does not find a DOS partition table. I could be way off base, but I suspect that the installer saw a MAC formated disk, and acted like it was installing on an iMAC. Ok. Given the totality of my experience so far combined with the many replies I've received in this thread, I was inclined to believe that starting with a Mac-formatted disk was really causing me serious trouble. I really need a working system here, so i decided to save an image of the hard drive and start fresh. I dd'd the hard drive onto another, external drive in case I ever wanted it back, then I used fdisk to fix the apparently broken partition table. For good measure, I even created a dummy partition and ran mke2fs on it to assure the drive was in good shape. I ran the installer again and selected to install a new system. Now anaconda bails out with an exception, the error under Details appears to be: NotImplementedError: Partition 3 isn't aligned to cylinder boundaries. This is still unsupported. (I can't seem to save the whole stack trace -- doesn't seem to want to find my thumb drive.) So, whereas before anaconda was happy but fdisk didn't recognize the partition table, now fisk is satisfied that all is ok and anaconda can't deal with it. WHAT IN THE NAME OF EVERYTHING THAT IT GOOD AND TRUE IS WRONG WITH ANACONDA? Aaarrrgh! Before blowing away the install, it would be interesting to see if parted could salvage things. If nothing else, you could copy down the start/end of the partition, create a DOS partition table, and then use the numbers to re-create the partition. Just make sure you do not let parted format the new file system. Well, I did save a copy of the old drive, so I should be able to get back the old situation. (But it should be easily reproduceable by first installing MacOSX then trying to install Fedora.) Right now, my top priority is getting a functional system. Tomorrow, I'm going to grab a LiveCD from work and see if I can successully accomplish the install from that. Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! Good advice. Thanks. -Alan (Frustrated and exhausted, but hopeful.) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
can't boot fresh install
Just did a fresh install of F11 on a P4. The SATA hard disk was repatriated from a broken iMac. I didn't have install disks handy, so I downloaded the netinstall image and installed the whole thing over my home DSL. This took nearly a day and a half, and I don't want to repeat that process if I can avoid it. I instructed anaconda to remove everything and use the whole drive. The installer never complained of any trouble. When I went to reboot, the system refused to recognize the hard drive as bootable. I jacked around with BIOS settings to no avail. Finally, I booted from the install CD and selected rescue mode. Rescue mode mounted /dev/sda2 on /mnt/sysimage. I looked and the install appears intact. I ran fdisk on /dev/sda and it complained, Device contains neither a valid DOS partition table, nor Sun, SGI or OSF disklabel. And then further down, Warning: invalid flag 0x of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite). There are no partitions listed when I select p to do so. At this point, I'm petrified. What can be done to fix this and get Fedora to boot? -Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: can't boot fresh install
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Frank Murphy (Frankly3D) wrote: Did you try when in rescue mode chroot /mnt/sysimage grub-install /dev/sda1 and see what happens. Unknown partition table signature Unknown partition table signature Unknown partition table signature Unknown partition table signature Unknown partition table signature The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: can't boot fresh install
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Alan Evansame.fed...@gmail.com wrote: Just did a fresh install of F11 on a P4. The SATA hard disk was repatriated from a broken iMac. I didn't have install disks handy, so I downloaded the netinstall image and installed the whole thing over my home DSL. This took nearly a day and a half, and I don't want to repeat that process if I can avoid it. I instructed anaconda to remove everything and use the whole drive. The installer never complained of any trouble. When I went to reboot, the system refused to recognize the hard drive as bootable. I jacked around with BIOS settings to no avail. Finally, I booted from the install CD and selected rescue mode. Rescue mode mounted /dev/sda2 on /mnt/sysimage. I looked and the install appears intact. I ran fdisk on /dev/sda and it complained, Device contains neither a valid DOS partition table, nor Sun, SGI or OSF disklabel. And then further down, Warning: invalid flag 0x of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite). There are no partitions listed when I select p to do so. At this point, I'm petrified. What can be done to fix this and get Fedora to boot? Ok, maybe I'm asking the wrong question... Does anybody have an idea why anaconda/rescue mode can find and mount my root partition on /dev/sda2, but fdisk can't even recognize that my disk has a partition table at all? -Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Paul W. Frieldssticks...@gmail.com wrote: A note on the supposedly useless interface -- my question is, why do people care so much about a progress bar anyway? When I get an update alert, I right-click, tell the system to install updates, and go about my work. I don't care what the download speed is, since there are usually things I care about more like the activity I'm busy with already. When the updates are done, if it's important I'll get a notifier about restarting my session or the system. Because, on my relatively slow DSL connection at home, I'd like to know if updates are going to be finished downloading in a couple of minutes or a few hours. When I'm ready to shut my computer off but it's downloading updates, it's nice to know if I should just hang tight for a few minutes or go off to bed and turn the machine off in the morning. There actually is value in knowing how long an unattended process is going to take. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: system-config-network activate, deactivate button greyed out
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:29 AM, daniel shiyooou...@gmail.com wrote: hi guys, i've installed fedora 10 on my laptop, there is a problem with the activate and deactivate button in the system-config-network 1.5.95, they are grey all the time. system-config-network worked fine on fedora 8, someone reported a bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=477879 about this problem on fedora 9. is this still an unfixed bug on f10,or just because i misconfigured something? any idea will be appreriated, thanks in advance. If you edit eth1, is Controlled by NetworkManager checked? Now you have to decide whether you want the network service or NetworkManager to manage the eth1 interface. (Also, avoid HTML mail on this list. And the meaning of your message was perfectly clear without the JPG attachment.) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
conflicted file in update this morning?
Came to work this morning and updater icon told me that updates were available on my F11 system. Pretty routine, I told it to go ahead and do the update. What wasn't routine was the subsequent error dialog complaining of Local file conflict between packages: Test Transaction Errors: file /usr/share/X11/locale/el_GR.UTF-8/Compose from install of libX11-1.2.2-1.fc11.x86_64 conflicts with file from package libX11-1.2.1-2.fc11.i586 file /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose from install of libX11-1.2.2-1.fc11.x86_64 conflicts with file from package libX11-1.2.1-2.fc11.i586 file /usr/share/X11/locale/fi_FI.UTF-8/Compose from install of libX11-1.2.2-1.fc11.x86_64 conflicts with file from package libX11-1.2.1-2.fc11.i586 file /usr/share/X11/locale/iso8859-1/Compose from install of libX11-1.2.2-1.fc11.x86_64 conflicts with file from package libX11-1.2.1-2.fc11.i586 file /usr/share/X11/locale/iso8859-15/Compose from install of libX11-1.2.2-1.fc11.x86_64 conflicts with file from package libX11-1.2.1-2.fc11.i586 file /usr/share/X11/locale/iso8859-9/Compose from install of libX11-1.2.2-1.fc11.x86_64 conflicts with file from package libX11-1.2.1-2.fc11.i586 file /usr/share/X11/locale/iso8859-9e/Compose from install of libX11-1.2.2-1.fc11.x86_64 conflicts wit... The 32 and 64 bit packages have coexisted on my system for a long time. I don't even recall why I had the i586 package installed at all, but if I were to hazard a guess, I'd say that VMWare probably required the 32-bit libs. Anyway, today I can't update. Can anything be done? Or should this get bugzilla'd? And if so, against what? -Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: conflicted file in update this morning?
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:04:32 -0700 Alan Evans wrote: Anyway, today I can't update. Can anything be done? Or should this get bugzilla'd? And if so, against what? Usually if you just wait a few days the 32 and 64 bit repos get back in sync. You can update with the --skip-broken option to get all the non-conflicting stuff installed. Thanks. It would be handy to have a Skip Broken button on the error dialog in the updater... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: conflicted file in update this morning?
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:04:32 -0700 Alan Evans wrote: Anyway, today I can't update. Can anything be done? Or should this get bugzilla'd? And if so, against what? Usually if you just wait a few days the 32 and 64 bit repos get back in sync. You can update with the --skip-broken option to get all the non-conflicting stuff installed. Curious. The updater icon claims that there are 18 updates available (mouse hovor popup). The updater package review dialog claims that there are 17 available. The missing file being the i586 libX11 update. Executing yum update in a root shell (leaving skip-broken out for now) lists all updates including the 32-bit libX11. (All the packages besides that are show in bold font -- what does that mean?) Anyway, cli yum updated everything with no complaint. But I'm wondering why PackageKit was conflicted about the number of available updates. (And I'm wondering what the bold/not-bold thing in yum means.) -Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: conflicted file in update this morning?
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: iirc bold=going to be installed normal=updating That can't be it. Today's updates were all already installed packages. Where should users go to find out? It's in none of the docs that I can find. From my current evidence, it seems to be: bold=set to be updated normal=set to be updated, unless you're using PackageKit to do the update. I'm almost tempted to think that this is the actual meaning... -Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: conflicted file in update this morning?
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:30:43 -0700 Alan Evans wrote: That can't be it. Today's updates were all already installed packages. Where should users go to find out? It's in none of the docs that I can find. man yum.conf search down for 'color'. It lists the options and what the defaults are. Why of course it is! Silly me; what was I thinking? [/sarcasm] Seriously, thanks for that. Although it only deepens the mystery for me. According to that page, bold means that the currently installed packages are older than the packages that are available in updates. In other words, completely normal updates. Normal, non-bold, means that the package is to be reinstalled because the available package is the same version as the installed package. In such a case, I'm curious why yum thinks it needs to be updated at all. Nevertheless, I've never noticed bold before in yum's to-be-updated list, and I've been using yum a long time. Perhaps it just escaped my eagle eye. But in this case, the installed version (libX11-1.2.1) is certainly not the same as the version that was updated to (libX11-1.2.2), so I find that the man page for yum.conf is incorrect. (As well as unintuitive to find.) Ah well, I got the update done, so I guess I shouldn't care. It's just that I'm naturally bugged by things that don't make sense to me. But it's all in the past now. -Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: conflicted file in update this morning?
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: Alan Evans wrote: Normal, non-bold, means that the package is to be reinstalled because the available package is the same version as the installed package. In such a case, I'm curious why yum thinks it needs to be updated at all. It's not. Read the man page again. I quote: color_list_installed_reinstall The colorization/highlighting for pacakges in list/info installed which is the same version as the latest available package with the same name and arch. Default is ‘normal’. See color_list_installed_older for possible values. (and yes, pacakages is verbatim from the man page). I read that (disregarding the typo and mixing of singles and plurals) as items shown in normal text are already installed and current. Perhaps I'm wrong. Isn't that what I said? (And I noticed the pacakges typo, too. It's copy/pasted all over the man page.) Why would yum update [no qualifiers] list something at all if it was already installed and current? But in my case, it wasn't even true. The already-installed package was version 1.2.1 (I checked) and the updated version (now installed) is 1.2.2. All 17 other packages which were updated were, in my estimation, the same situation. But they were all listed bold. And still I don't understand why PackageKit was internally conflicted about how many updates were actually available. I suppose I could try reinstalling the old (1.2.1) versions of libX11[i586|x86_64] and see if my system does this again. But I'd only do it if somebody was interested in pursuing this and gathering data. By myself, I lack the knowledge of what needs to be looked at throughout the process. -Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Frank Cox wrote: The Radeon X1550 that I had in the computer previous to this one worked perfectly with Fedora 10, as well. And the X1550 seems to me to work even better with Fedora 11. Yes, I'm serious. I'm beginning to think that I may be the only one for whom the ATI situation improved in the transition from F10 to F11. In F10, I would get really bad tearing when I moved some windows or scrolled large web pages in Firefox, for example. Since the upgrade to F11, video seems smooth and clean. My requirements were not much: all I really needed was working dual monitor. Compiz, 3D, games etc. were not a big deal for me. And X1550 is obviously not a very new card (I purchased it from a shop that specializes in old/refurbished hardware). So in my case, the ATI support from the radeon driver actually improved. Imagine! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: Dual Pentium III, good enough for current 2.6 kernel linux?
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: All PIIIs are single cores, AFAIK. Of course I knew that. In my mind, dual and dual core are the same thing and don't necessarily mean that the cores are on the same die. Kind of like when I say a Sun E1 is 64-core, I don't mean on a single chip. (Since I don't pay close attention to shifting terminology, mine is probably not up-to date.) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
OpenOffice Calc slow on F11?
Is it just me? Since the update to F11, OpenOffice Calc is *slow*. Really slow. Like, go to an empty cell and type a number and hit enter then several seconds pass before the screen redraws and the number appears in the cell. It was never a speed demon, but before F11, entering data wasn't an opportunity to switch tasks while the spreadsheet catches up. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OpenOffice Calc slow on F11?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:46 AM, David L wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Alan Evans wrote: Like, go to an empty cell and type a number and hit enter then several seconds pass before the screen redraws and the number appears in the cell. I don't see this behavior. Actually, I don't see it either -- on a fresh spreadsheet. I just tried. I really only have one spreadsheet that I actually use. It gets updated once a day. The sheet consists of two columns, one date, one value, and two scatter charts based on the data. There are currently just under 800 rows. So it's not very complicated as spreadsheets go. Once a day, I insert a column near the top (column insert also now takes an incredibly long time) and enter into the two empty cells. This procedure is now intolerably slow. It used to be merely pokey. And since it only happened once a day, I could handle it. But now it's taking me around a minute to insert two numbers into a spreadsheet. Very frustrating. *sigh* Thanks anyway. Looks like this isn't a common enough problem for me to have any hope of it getting fixed. Maybe I'll try porting this data to another spreadsheet program. (I hear Excel under wine is a bit faster...) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 06/05/2009 05:07 AM, Alan Evans wrote: I recall some time ago, perhaps FC8 or 9, that trying to remove wireless-tools would threaten to remove nearly every package on the system, including the kernel. Was that because yum was broken? It was certainly threatening to remove something that it shouldn't. No. It wasn't a bug in yum but the way things are packaged. Yum is correctly doing its job. I think that was my point. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Alan Evans wrote: It's broken because a package not being required by anything else doesn't mean it isn't needed. For example, it could be an application which is being removed because you just removed a plugin for it or a second application whcih requires that first application for something. And in this case, it's either a situation like that (where basesystem isn't required by anything after removing glibc.i686, but should still not be removed) or a plain bug in the plugin (where it removes something which is still required by other packages). I've been using this plugin for a long time and this is the first time it has threatened to remove basesystem. So I'd like to understand what triggered it this time. So much easier to make effective bug reports if one understands the problem. It shall also be noted that the plugin breaks PackageKit in F11 and therefore the PackageKit update which is coming to F11 soon (as soon as we sort out KPackageKit) blacklists it (which means the plugin won't have any effect in PackageKit). A bug in the remove-with-leaves plugin that erroneously tags packages for removal causes a segmentation fault in PackageKit? Perhaps, but I'm unconvinced. (And I realize that it is not your job to convince me...) Anyway, the solution (bug 503989) is, in my opinion, spectacularly backwards. PackageKit is broken when using the remove-with-leaves plugin, so disallow using that plugin with PackageKit. This assures that the bug will never get fixed. If the plugin is buggy and somehow gets fixed then PackageKit still won't use it, so nobody will know. If, on the other hand, PackageKit is buggy then it certainly won't get fixed because the symptom will never be seen now that the trigger is removed. In any case, we might as well just remove the plugin completely from Fedora and call it a day. If another packages has a problem and the plugin is involved then the plugin is blacklisted. If a user has a problem and the plugin is involved then the user is instructed to remove the plugin. At that point, shouldn't we ask why we are shipping the plugin at all? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Sharpe, Sam J wrote: You're asking to remove X, and I know of Y and Z which are only required by X - so you should probably remove X,Y, AND Z at the same time This is my understanding as well. And since: [a...@agena ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires basesystem no package requires basesystem I'm not disinclined to believe that the plugin is doing the wrong thing. But I don't know that, and I'm not even sure that the plugin itself isn't a red-herring in this case. I'm trying to produce a tighter test case than I currently have. (Removing glibc.i386 also takes more than a dozen legitimate dependencies with it, so I'm trying to narrow it all down to a reproducible minimal case.) Given the choice between solving a problem and avoiding it, I'd rather solve it. In real life, I'm a embedded system engineer. In my world, understanding a problem is a necessary prerequisite to fixing it. I'm not particularly fond of the attitude of, It doesn't work right so don't use it. And my natural inclination to push back at it has probably earned me an annoyance rank somewhere just below Karl Larsen. I'm sorry about that, I guess. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:36 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Alan Evans wrote: I have a small number of 32-bit packages on my desktop. If I try to remove, for example, glibc.i686, then it tries to take basesystem.noarch with it as a dependency! You must be missing some x86_64 package(s) then. Actually, not that either. A closer examination of yum output reveals: removing basesystem-10.0-1.noarch. It is not required by anything else. This is being tagged for removal by the remove-with-leaves plugin. So I'm guessing that something in the dependency resolution stage calls out for needing basesystem, but nothing else on my system technically requires it. Should I consider that a bug? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:14 AM, M A Young m.a.yo...@durham.ac.uk wrote: Have you got two basesystem packages installed? The F11 basesystem package is basesystem-10.0-2.noarch.rpm. [a...@agena ~]$ rpm -qa | grep basesystem basesystem-10.0-1.noarch [a...@agena ~]$ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
2009/6/4 Martín Marqués : 2009/6/4 Alan Evans: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:14 AM, M A Young wrote: Have you got two basesystem packages installed? The F11 basesystem package is basesystem-10.0-2.noarch.rpm. [a...@agena ~]$ rpm -qa | grep basesystem basesystem-10.0-1.noarch [a...@agena ~]$ You're outdated. basesystem is at version 10.0-2 in my F11. Try to yum clean all and yum update after that, enabling rawhide repo. I never said I was using F11. If I was discussing F11, I'd be using a different mailing list, at least for the next 5 days. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
2009/6/4 Martín Marqués: Ohh. AFAICS, the subject of this thread is update to F11 with yum True. But I was originally replying to Sam Sharpe, who claimed to have no 32-bit packages on his system when that was apparently impossible for me. I really wasn't expecting the sub-thread to last long. My sub-thread is technically off-topic in the main thread. The main thread, for it's part, is technically off topic in this forum. So I guess I don't feel so bad. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Alan Evans wrote: Actually, not that either. A closer examination of yum output reveals: removing basesystem-10.0-1.noarch. It is not required by anything else. This is being tagged for removal by the remove-with-leaves plugin. So remove that broken plugin. It just does not work! It certainly does work. I wouldn't use it otherwise. I'm really fond of being able to try out a new application, the installation of which draws in a bunch of library packages, and then decide I don't want it and remove the whole lot without needing to remember what was installed incidental to the application. Do you have specific information about it being broken? Or is it possible that some package that I'm removing has a requirement for basesystem that it shouldn't have? Or else other packages that I'm not trying to remove lack a requirement for basesystem that they should have? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Spin request (I guess)
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Beartooth wrote: My 701 has a 4GB solid state drive, which I think is the same, and either a 4 GB or an 8 GB camera card. Tell me of those tweaks -- pretty please! With sugar on it. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-January/msg01418.html (I'm not sure how any of that would help your boot times, however. How did you do your original install?) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Spin request (I guess)
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Beartooth bearto...@comcast.net wrote: And to comment on one point there, are you aware of all the forums and wikis at http://forum.eeeuser.com/ No, I was not. I'll peruse them some other time, perhaps. But I did laugh: 4 separate forums devoted to various flavors of Ubuntu, and Fedora is apparently relegated to the Other Linux Distros forum. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Spin request (I guess)
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Beartooth bearto...@comcast.net wrote: If that works on the 701 (which is a lot smaller, in every sense, and slower than the 1000), it'll be the best news in a month of Sundays. I installed the Omega spin on my 900A. I don't know how that compares to the 701, but it really fit the bill in my case. I think that the biggest limitation of the 900A is that it has 4GB flash for a hard drive, which meant that conserving storage was a big consideration. I did a few tweaks to keep it from writing unnecessarily to the solid state storage. It boots very quickly, by the way. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can't update F9
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote: Craig White wrote: The F9 repos were recently (in the past week) updated to use sha256 hashes for the repodata. It's possible that this has caused the problem, though I am fairly certain that updating from a clean F9 install was tested before the new hashes were pushed out. I would tend to doubt that. I was pretty much dead in the water with a system that was setup last August and I updated to updates.newkey and after that, Fedora 9 might as well have been EOL because I couldn't update it. I did download and install yum from F10 and it's updating as I write this but most people are never gonna be able to do that. That's certainly not good. It's not something I tested or had anything to do with. I only mentioned the possibility that it might be the root of the problem the OP was having as I had seen the change being discussed on IRC a week or so ago. I am fairly sure that the scenario of a clean F9 install and update was tested, but even so, it could easily have missed some ways that things could break. I did a quick bugzilla search and didn't find any bugs on this. Either my bugzilla search was off or there aren't a ton of people running into this. Hopefully it gets reported so that it can be fixed. I can't help but wonder if it requires some unlucky timing to hit? Otherwise I would think the list would have a lot more folks complaining that their Fedora 9 boxes have stopped updating. :/ OP here. Just for the record, I tried it again on a VM at work. This system seemed to have survived it and is now offering to update many packages. So the problem isn't obviously deterministic. Different computer (laptop vs. VMWare) and different original install medium (old disc labeled F9-Boot vs. fresh download of the Fedora-9-netinstall.i386.iso) are factors that are different. Both installs were done over the internet from mirrors.kernel.org. Curious: the backtrace that I observed at the end of the first update on the laptop also happened in the VM. I captured the output if it interests anyone. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can't update F9
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Alan Evans wrote: On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Dave Feustel wrote: How about backing up your userspace to usb flashdrive and installing F10 from scratch after a reformat of your disk drive? Did I not make it clear that installing F10 from scratch was not an option? No. You made it clear that you had some problem installing fc10, you didn't remember what it was, and rather than ask how to do the install cleanly you were asking about the upgrade. I can almost guess what the issue was, having input from an installathon, but you are asking for help, and you're barking up the wrong tree is painful to hear, but often correct. You have some thoughts on the upgrade, knock yourself out. Did I cross you at some time, Mr. Davidson? If so, I'm sorry for all the egregious harm I've caused you. In fact, I was not asking for help upgrading from F9 to F10. That was just big-picture information about why I was working with F9 at all. A careful reading of my original post will reveal that I was writing to the list because yum was refusing to update a fresh install of F9. So I was asking for help resolving an issue with yum completely unrelated to upgrading. Which help I received, by the way. In any case, thanks for your proxy indignation on behalf of another poster. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Can't update F9
Hello, helpful, friendly types. I have an old laptop that, for whatever reason, I can't install F10 on directly. I can't remember what the problem was, exactly, but the installer pukes or freezes or somesuch. So the machine has languished on a shelf for several months. Anyway, I decided to give it another go this weekend. My strategy was to install and update F9 then immediately upgrade to F10 over the network. So I booted my old F9 boot disk and installed F9 by FTP. Then I did a yum update and was surprised that only 5 packages would be updated. Only then did I recall the oldkey/newkey madness. I went ahead with the mini-update, that proceeded all the way to the end -- download, update, and cleanup, then failed with a long, cryptic backtrace. That's odd, I thought, but it seemed to accomplish the update, so I rebooted the machine and attempted the final update. No joy. Now all yum does is spend all night failing with Bad checksum on URL after URL trying to retrieve updates-newkey until I either kill it or it eventually (after a very long time) bails out with another backtrace. What I seem to have now is a perfectly running F9 system that can't be updated nor new packages installed. I've tried yum clean all which didn't help, and now I'm at the end of what I know how to do with any confidence. What can be done? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can't update F9
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Dave Feustel wrote: How about backing up your userspace to usb flashdrive and installing F10 from scratch after a reformat of your disk drive? Did I not make it clear that installing F10 from scratch was not an option? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can't update F9
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: First, download ftp://ftp.uci.edu/mirrors/fedora/linux/updates/9/i386.newkey/fedora-release-9-5.transition.noarch.rpm and install it. Then download preupgrade, and use it to upgrade to Fedora 10. If I have not forgotten anything, that should do it. Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, it did not help. Actually, that package you pointed to was already installed. I forced rpm to update it anyway. But the behavior didn't change. Yum just cycles through every URL it can trying to download huge-hex-number-primary.sqlite.bz2 then reports [Error -3] Error performing checksum Trying other mirror. Repeat indefinitely. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can't update F9
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 1:35 PM, M A Young wrote: It sounds like yum or one of its dependencies is broken (or missing). You could always try updating yum to the F10 version via rpm, and seeing if updating it, or any of its dependencies fixes your yum problem. I have to admit that I was skeptical about this, but it worked. I downloaded the yum package from one of the F10 mirrors and installed it with rpm, which demanded no dependencies. Now everything seems happy. Running preupgrade now to finally change this into a Fedora 10 laptop... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is lsof?
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 5:39 AM, Mike Cloaked wrote: Usually a good way to find where a command is would be to use the which command. In this case: [m...@gestalt ~]$ which lsof /usr/sbin/lsof How is that going to work if /usr/sbin isn't already in your path? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is lsof?
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Alan Evans wrote: How is that going to work if /usr/sbin isn't already in your path? It does work. Try it yourself. $ which lsof /usr/sbin/lsof $ echo $PATH /usr/lib/qt-3.3/bin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/lib/ccache:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/home/mikkel/bin I suppose that this is where I, showing incredible restraint, refrain from pointing and laughing. What nobody has mentioned yet is that, as of F10, the sbin directories are defaulted in the paths of mere mortals. So this particular problem should be obsoleted going forward. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: nVidia vs. ATI graphics card for fedora
FWIW, I've got dual-head working with an ATI Radeon X1550. Nothing special about my system except a custom xorg.conf. I'm using the standard radeon driver, so I don't worry at all about kernel updates. Just to let you know that it just works, with the custom config caveat. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Editor to program in C
On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Jose Celestino wrote: Words by Tim [Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 01:20:31AM +1030]: There's one thing worse than vi, and that's emacs. ;-) And vice-versa :) That, sir, is the finest response I have ever seen. You've settled the entire vi/emacs war in two words. I bow low to your obviously superior debate skills. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtualization for Beginner
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 8:07 AM, Erik P. Olsen epod...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, maybe the piece of cake was a little larger than what I remember :-) I actually went to http://www.virtualbox.org, downloaded the package for Fedora and did a yum localinstall And they don't have a pre-made version for F10 available at that site that I can find. In any case, the last time I attempted to install VirtualBox it was not a piece of cake. That was about a year or year-and-a-half ago, so I hope it has gotten much easier since then. After an hour of trying to set up a simple network bridge for the VM to use, I gave up. An hour of my time cost our company more than a new VMWare license. Got the license, installed the RPM, ran the (mostly automated) setup script, created the new virtual machine by clicking the big, friendly button, selected Use Bridged Networking, done. Now that was a piece of cake. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtualization for Beginner
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson mik...@infinity-ltd.com wrote: Alan Evans wrote: And they don't have a pre-made version for F10 available at that site that I can find. Fedora 9 (Sulphur) / 10 (Cambridge) i386 | AMD64 That's what I get for scanning over the page quickly. Didn't notice anything that wasn't hard up against the left side. Setting up a bridging network connection is a matter of selecting it from a menu. I have set up both bridging and NAT connections in less then a minute. Good. Like I said, it was a year or more ago that I tried. I was stuck trying to follow some seemingly Debian-oriented documentation that attempted to walk me through setting up the bridge in my host network configs so the guest could use it. I think that I almost even got it to work. The thing you are not going to find is a pre-built kernel module - it will compile one for you, but you have to have the kernel headers, gcc, etc installed. That would be no different than VMWare. In its latest incarnation, VMWare automatically recompiles the needed modules when they change. I don't even need to tell it to. If VirtualBox is now as easy as you've made it out, then I may give it another go. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Interactive startup on F10. Pressing I doesn't work
Clark Martin wrote: Alan Evans wrote: I would have thought that the key-repeat wouldn't differ functionally from rapidly tapping the key. Most computer keyboards transmit to the computer a key down and key up for each key. This is true for modifiers as well (shift, control, etc). The computer decides if you've held the key down long enough to repeat and also determines how fast to repeat the key. Which means if the keyboard buffer is cleared AFTER you've pressed the key the program won't see the key down and therefore won't consider a key as repeating. In normal use when the buffer is never cleared typing fast and key repeat would be equivalent. Are you suggesting that the init script clears the keyboard buffer at the driver level? How would it even do that? If I write an application that's reading stdin, that app is certainly not worrying about key press events and key release events to determine if modifiers are at play. It's just taking chars out of stdin. As I understand it, if that application clears the buffer then it's doing something along the lines of calling flush(). This doesn't cause the system-level keyboard driver to forget that a key has been pressed. That driver continues injecting chars into stdin even after my app has flushed the buffer. I would think that it would be considerably harder to detect a modifier press or release in a shell script. Maybe I'm completely wrong about all that... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Interactive startup on F10. Pressing I doesn't work
Tim wrote: Alan Evans wrote: It surely used to work. But I just confirmed it doesn't work now. Is any keypress having any effect? Things like USB keyboards aren't always available until some drivers are up and alive. I tested on my netbook, so the keyboard was part of the machine. As I held down the key, a small row of letters were printed on the screen. The key press is definitely being recognized by the system; it's just not triggering the desired effect in the startup sequence. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Interactive startup on F10. Pressing I doesn't work
Craig White wrote: I find that holding the keys down can be counter-productive. I suspect that the code discards the buffer contents before looking for a key press and that's why 'rapid taps' as Anne puts it seems to be the only method that works. I would have thought that the key-repeat wouldn't differ functionally from rapidly tapping the key. Anyway, it turns out that I can, in fact, interrupt the boot, both by rapid tapping and by holding down the key. I tried both several times and I think there is little difference -- either successfully interrupt the boot sequence what seems like less than half the time. Perhaps interesting: holding the key down seems to make the boot process loop back to the Press 'I' for interactive startup again. I'm not kidding, and I've done it several times. I press I as soon as I see the instruction to do so and hold the key down while booting proceeds through Starting udev and eventually to Enabling swaps and Entering interactive startup. Then the next line says Welcome to Omega[1] followed by Press 'i' for interactive startup. Then Starting udev again on the next line and so on. [1] - I don't think Omega is any different than Fedora proper WRT system bootup. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Interactive startup on F10. Pressing I doesn't work
Nigel Henry wrote: Hi Alan. Hi. Are you trying this on F10, because I can't get into interactive startup on it. I'm using the Omega spin, which didn't exist before F10, so yes. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Interactive startup on F10. Pressing I doesn't work
Tom Horsley wrote: Nigel Henry wrote: On F9 I had to press the I a few times to enter interactive startup, on earlier Fedora versions only one press is necessary, but on F10, I can't get into interactive startup at all. That's odd. I've never been able to see any effect from pressing I on any version of fedora or redhat. I always assumed it was leftover text not hooked to anything :-). It surely used to work. But I just confirmed it doesn't work now. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Mail Lists wrote: gdm has become, frankly, really awful. Can we just make kdm the default - it is so much simpler to configure and it behaves the way any rational administrator expects. kdm is part of Fedora anyway ... leave gnome as the default desktop, just replace the login manager part with something that behaves better. Bonus, it even looks nicer!! Is there any reason not to do this ? Besides that looking nicer is simply a matter of opinion? (Anything that looks out of place on my machine is considered to not look nice, regardless of how aesthetically pleasing it might be in it's own right.) How about the fact that kdm pulls in essentially all of kde along with it? Ok, maybe not *all* of kde, but those with purely gnome-based installs might want to take into consideration the 100+MB install just to get a new display manager. That's probably not a big deal on my quad-core development machine at work with a T1 pipe to the internet, but that's a *huge* deal on my (no-harddrive) netbook which gets updated through my slow DSL at home. Add to that the ongoing updates for all those new packages that are only there to support the display manager... I'd rather see gdm fixed someday. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: without a truly working jigdo, re-spins are effectively useless
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: sure, i'm willing to help out, but it (finally) dawned on me that there's always going to be a fundamental drawback with the way jigdo is being supported. when the re-spin is created, it will of course be current with the packages at all the mirrors. however, once packages are upgraded beyond that, the older packages will be dropped and the (static) re-spin will no longer match what's at all the mirrors. the more time passes, the more packages will fail to match. so what's the solution? I, for one, am thankful for your rant. Before reading this thread, I had considered using jigdo because I thought it worked in some sensible way, like, Make me a spin with these packages; get them from updates if they are there. Now that I know that the jigdo files are version-specific, I won't even give it a try. Thanks for saving me a ton of time! -Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I can't print, sort of.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:30 PM, antonio montagnani wrote: have a look here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=488225 Thanks. CC'd myself there. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I can't print, sort of.
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 15:52 -0700, Alan Evans wrote: I see nothing relevant in /var/log/messages. Should I be looking somewhere else for printer-related messages? cups messages are in: /var/log/cups in files like error_log Of course. Duh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
I can't print, sort of.
Sometime recently, printing stopped working in some applications. I can go into System-Administration-Printing and print a test page. And I can print without problem with OpenOffice Writer. Firefox won't print anymore. It pops up the dialog with the progress bar stating it's printing, which quickly disappears, but the little tray icon that indicates printing never shows up and the printer never wakes up. Gedit pops up a dialog complaining Can't prompt for authorization when I try to print from it. I see nothing relevant in /var/log/messages. Should I be looking somewhere else for printer-related messages? The printer, for its part, is shared from a Windows machine in our office, so the Device URI is of the smb:// variety. Printing used to work all around. I don't print very often, so I'm not sure when it stopped working. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: KDE 4.2 requires local MySQL Server
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Arthur Pemberton wrote: By your comment one would think that installing mysql-server brings some great evil with it. Maybe not that bad, but one might legitimately feel dirty because of it, anyway. In a similar case for me, I had a web server which was fully driven by postgresql. Everything on the server that needed a database used pg. Then I had to configure it to run a mail server, and some component of that required MySQL. I unfortunately didn't have time to compile it from source or research alternatives. So today, my postgresql server has MySQL installed just to satisfy some dependency. Not evil; I just would not have preferred it that way. -Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC10 - yum prefered mirrors list
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:51 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote: where does yum keep its prefered mirrors list in FC10? I have looked in /etc/yum* and not found any cached urls. Sorry, don't know the answer to your question. But if I'm correctly divining the reason behind your question then you may be interested in the stablemirror plugin: http://www.georgeanelson.com/stablemirror.htm The version listed for F7/F8 seems to work fine with F10. (Well, I just installed it and yum didn't explode...) -Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Feature Proposal: Rolling Updates (was Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:08 AM, Mark Haney wrote: Alan Evans wrote: As I understand it, Gentoo doesn't suffer this because each user is compiling their own package sets. Updating libfoo doesn't require recursively redownloading every package that requires it because the user already has the source to those programs. He just needs to recompile them. Explain to me how doing an update in Fedora requires the same method? I'm not sure I understood this question. If I update package 'appfoo' that requires 'libfoo' there's no difference between downloading and reinstalling the libfoo RPM along with the new version of 'appfoo' than it is recompiling libfoo in gentoo. I /still/ have to download the source code to recompile it, unless I just happen to have that source (and it's not be updated) sitting in my portage cache. The idea is the same, just a slightly different mechanism. And with delta packages, this would be a cinch I would think. But what about appbar that also requires libfoo? Unless I'm misunderstanding how Gentoo works (which is possible), you don't need to redownload appbar because libfoo was updated. You only need to recompile appbar after updating libfoo. This means that appbar on your machine is different than appbar on my machine because each is compiled against a different set of libraries. This is not a big deal since each machine is internally consistent. But with a binary distro, the repository must be internally consistent. This means that if a single package (even one I don't have on my machine) requires a new libfoo then I have to update every package on my machine that touches, even indirectly, libfoo, because libfoo was updated in the repository, which caused apps that I do have installed to be updated just to be compatible with the updated libfoo. -Alan (As I said, I might be wrong about how Gentoo works. But if you don't keep source for installed packages handy for recompilation when libs get updated then I wonder what is the point of Gentoo at all, unless it's just the warm fuzzies of knowing that your binaries are compiled against your particular arch.) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Using ext2 on SSD drive
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote: I am installing FC10 on an ASUS with an SSD drive right now to see how it behaves. For me it's been quite satisfactory. Quick suggestions (if you are of the GNOME persuasion) include using openbox instead of metacity and epiphany instead of firefox. They are much lighter and faster. Also, put temp directories in ram, which I think I've already mentioned to you. I know that with ext2 you are suppose to clean it up every so often, but I can't find my notes as to the command. What is the command and how is this done while the system is 'in use', or is there some way to do it occationally during boot time? Quite separate from your query about ext2 maintenance, you should keep in mind the gotcha I found with ext2, here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-January/msg00198.html My yucky workaround is to change the filesystem in my fstab back to ext3 before each kernel update and change it back to ext2 afterword. -Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: RAM question for everyone!
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Dan Track dan.tr...@gmail.com wrote: I was recently asked a question about how much RAM should there be within a server given that the APP uses 8GB of Memory, should I buy 10Gig of memory and have a small harddrive and no swap space? Would this configuration allow everything in my OS to run from RAM and not from swap? If this is the case then there's no need to ever create swap, is there?!? Your thoughts are appreciated. This question, along with other recent discussion about swap, leads me to ask a question in response: Why is everyone so concerned about how to get away without swap? Hard drives are cheap. Why does your server with potentially 10GB (!!!) of RAM have a hard drive so small that you can't sacrifice a few GB for swap? I'm really curious. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: RAM question for everyone!
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: SATA Hard drive speeds - 70 megs to 150 megs a second unless you're RAIDing DDR2 RAM speeds - 6000 megs a second and up. If performance is a key issue, which I'm sure it is, you don't want swap. Of course I'm perfectly aware that RAM is much faster than hard drive storage. The OP asked how much memory he needed so he didn't have to configure any swap. He even mentioned that the server's hard drive was small as one of the reasons for not wanting swap. My machines, both desktop and server, *all* have swap, even if I don't expect to ever need it. Normally, the swap usage is zero, which is what I want. But there have been instances that the presence of the rarely-touched swap space has saved my ass. It just seemed like a silly cost-saving technique. He was willing to sink hundreds of dollars on a huge amount of RAM, but was unwilling to devote an extra 10-20 dollars on a hard drive big enough to provide swap space. (Apologies if other currencies are involved.) I understand not wanting to swap. I don't understand not want swap available at all. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
jEdit on F10?
Has anyone successfully installed jEdit on Fedora 10? How did you do it? Honestly, I've never used it myself. Although it looks to be a very capable editor. Most of the developers at my company just switched to it (Windows users, all), so I thought it would be prudent to test it out myself. I just can't see a relatively painless way to install it. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: jEdit on F10?
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Jonathan Underwood wrote: Have you tried enabling the jpackage repository? http://www.jpackage.org/ Not successfully. I downloaded the jpackage17.repo file, but yum just errored out on every mirror. I forced the repo file to pretend that I wanted Fedora-9 (I'm F10) and the complaints went away, but still yum search jedit only returned antlr-jedit.noarch, which I don't think is the editor. looks like they have jedit (have never installed/used it myself tho): http://www.jpackage.org/browser/rpm.php?jppversion=1.6id=5030 I'll look into that. If it works, then I'm good with that, but a working repo compatible with Fedora 10 would be better... Thanks. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Restoring NetworkManager settings
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 5:54 AM, Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net wrote: My experience is that if NM is running, it is not a good idea to run system-config-network. In fact, I don't think it is ever a good idea to run system-config-network. Indeed. Now that it seems NM is capable enough for my needs, I intend to do yum remove system-config-network as soon as I get this situation sorted. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Restoring NetworkManager settings
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 07:27 -0800, Alan Evans wrote: Indeed. Now that it seems NM is capable enough for my needs, I intend to do yum remove system-config-network as soon as I get this situation sorted. You don't want to remove it. Just stop it running using chkconfig. s-c-n is good for static connections. But that was the start of my problem. I wanted a static connection and used s-c-n. Now NM is hosed and I don't know how to fix it. Like I said, it looks like NM can configure the device for static connection now. So what does s-c-n gain me? If I'm never going to use it, I'd just as soon not see it in the menu. On the other hand, removing it reclaims a couple MB of my precious flash drive. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC9 for a ASUS Eee 700
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote: Is FC9 the way to go, or should I take the dive with FC10? What are others running on their Eee? I installed F10 (actually, the Omega spin) on my 900A and I'm extremely pleased. I did a few customizations, such as mounting /tmp in RAM. But overall it just worked. I think your RAM is a bit tight, so you might want to replace that. I ordered a 2GB SODIMM to replace the 1GB that came with my Eee. (In fact, that means that I'm about to have a spare 1GB stick, if your interested...) I went with no swap at all. The thing boots fast enough that I'm not really interested in hibernation. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC9 for a ASUS Eee 700
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote: Alan Evans wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote: I installed F10 (actually, the Omega spin) on my 900A and I'm extremely pleased. I did a few customizations, such as mounting /tmp in RAM. But overall it just worked. How? Instructions please? Of course I need more memory for that... Add this to your fstab: tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0 tmpfs /var/log tmpfs defaults 0 0 tmpfs /var/tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0 Keep in mind that /var/log will be lost each reboot, so you'll have to revert that if you are having some issue and want to see your logs after reboot. I wasn't brave enough to do /var/run as well, but I wanted to. Maybe someone else can comment on how safe that is. I also changed my root filesystem to ext2 to avoid journal writes, and added noatime to the options (replace defaults with defaults,noatime), which avoids more useless writes. Be aware that this causes me trouble with kernel updates: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-January/msg00198.html We should start a wiki someplace to keep track of all this stuff. (EeePC owners unite!) -Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC9 for a ASUS Eee 700
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote: Of course a /home directory, just not in its own partition. Only 3 partitions: /boot, swap, and / I even forwent the separate /boot partition. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Restoring NetworkManager settings
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Alan Evans wrote: I screwed up. I wanted to temporarily assign static IP settings for eth0, and like a dufus I used system-config-network. Unchecked Controlled by Network Manager and entered the desired addresses. This worked fine as far as it went. When I was finished with the temporary settings, I went back and re-checked the box for NetworkManager control. But NM never really took control of eth0 again. I looked in Edit Connections... from NM and saw that what used to be Auto eth0 now said System eth0. There was no obvious way to change or delete it. Even root wasn't allowed to delete it from the NM dialog. I eventually did manage to get Auto eth0 back by manually deleting /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0. But I can't edit anything about the connection, which is what I should have done instead of involving system-config-network. Everything under the edit dialog for Auto eth0 is grayed out. I booted the LiveCD just to confirm that it was not always so. Sure enough, from the LiveCD boot, I can freely edit eth0 using NetworkManager. How do I get that back? -Alan *sigh* -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Restoring NetworkManager settings
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Mail Llists li...@sapience.com wrote: Try cleaning the gnome registry - much fun is stored there. However, if you are using gnome not kde it may clean more than you want. If you're using kde then .. well you get the idea. Thanks for taking the time to suggest a possible solution! Unfortunately, eth0 settings are still uneditable. Drat. I still hold out hope that somebody, somewhere knows why that whole dialog would be grayed out. Please help! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Restoring NetworkManager settings
I screwed up. I wanted to temporarily assign static IP settings for eth0, and like a dufus I used system-config-network. Unchecked Controlled by Network Manager and entered the desired addresses. This worked fine as far as it went. When I was finished with the temporary settings, I went back and re-checked the box for NetworkManager control. But NM never really took control of eth0 again. I looked in Edit Connections... from NM and saw that what used to be Auto eth0 now said System eth0. There was no obvious way to change or delete it. Even root wasn't allowed to delete it from the NM dialog. I eventually did manage to get Auto eth0 back by manually deleting /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0. But I can't edit anything about the connection, which is what I should have done instead of involving system-config-network. Everything under the edit dialog for Auto eth0 is grayed out. I booted the LiveCD just to confirm that it was not always so. Sure enough, from the LiveCD boot, I can freely edit eth0 using NetworkManager. How do I get that back? -Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: USB stick with ext2?
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: With the USB mounted become root Then chown alan /media/disk. The ownership information is maintained in the ext2 structure. So, the next time it is mounted it will retain ownership by alan. I find this acceptable. At least my source code files aren't executable, as they pretend to be with vfat. A better system for removable media would be for the root folder owner be changed to that of the console user, as it appears to happen with vfat mounts. That way, the media could be truly portable with minimum fuss. Actually, that leads me to my solution! Just do chmod 777 on the thumb drive's root folder and it all behaves the way I want. Anybody can create files or folders on the device, and read/write permissions are sensibly handled. Thanks for all the input, guys! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: can't log in after converting root filesystem
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Jim Cornette fc-corne...@wowway.com wrote: You might be able to use JFFS2 for the flash. We use JFFS2 for out Flash storage on embedded devices. Hmmm. I would actually not mind trying that at all. But how do I get my root (and only) FS to be JFFS2? It's not an option in the installer. And it's certainly not an option on the LiveCD that I've been using for my installs. Is there a way to convert it after the fact? Regarding the login problem with kernel updates, maybe it is related to SELinux. I had a problem similar with being returned to a login prompt. I might explore that a little bit. I still find myself perplexed about how the initrd could be causing the problem I see with logging in. By the time I see the log in prompt, isn't the initrd long gone? And yet, recompiling the initrd after kernel upgrade fixes the issue somehow. My head hurts. -Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
USB stick with ext2?
Howdy! When I insert a USB thumb drive formatted with vfat, it gets automagically mounted under /media with appropriate permissions so the logged in user can write to the device. But if the thumb drive is formatted ext2, only root can write to it. $ mount /dev/sdb1 on /media/Devel type ext2 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal) /dev/sdc1 on /media/disk type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,shortname=lower,uid=500) $ ll total 20 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2009-01-05 21:27 Devel drwxr-xr-x 3 alan root 16384 1969-12-31 16:00 disk Is there a way to make that work? -Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
can't log in after converting root filesystem
Hello, Friendly Fedora Folks: My problem seems possibly related to some recently reported issues, but I'm unable to fit suggested solutions to my issue. Anyway, here goes: I have an Asus EeePC 900A. It predictably took me about 2.5 minutes to figure out that I wanted nothing at all to do with the crummy Linux distro that came with it. I wanted Fedora and thought I'd try out the Omega spin that Rahul announced recently. Now the 900A has only a 4GB flash chip for internal storage, so I started thinking of ways to reduce writes to the filesystem. It seemed to me that ext2 was a better fit than ext3 because there would be no need to write the journal data. During the install from LiveCD, I chose to format the entire 4GB as ext2 and mount it on /. No separate /boot partition, no swap partition. After install, I discovered that the root filesystem was ext3 despite my explicit instruction to format it as ext2. I consider that a bug, which I might pursue if I can get past my current predicament. I figured that downgrading to ext2 would not be difficult. So I changed ext3 to ext2 in fstab and added noatime to the options. Everything seems good at this point. I reboot, and mount tells me that the root filesystem is, indeed, ext2. After running through the installed packages and removing several that I thought would never be relevant to my limited hardware, I rebooted again and found everything good. Well, almost everything. It turns out that now I can yum update everything except for the kernel. After kernel update, I can't log in at all. I get to the gdm screen, enter username and password, and it just returns immediately to a fresh gdm screen. If I boot to runlevel 3, I have a similar symptom in text -- entering username and password just returns to the login prompt. At this point, I'm stuck. I've tried everything I know (not much) and I can't log in. I did take a snapshot of the system with dd just before upgrading the kernel, so I can always bring that back. But then I can never apply any kernel updates. Help! -Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: can't log in after converting root filesystem
On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 11:01 AM, fred smith fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us wrote: On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 10:34:24AM -0800, Alan Evans wrote: I discovered (on my eeepc 901) that adding relatime to /etc/fstab causes subsequent kernel installs to go bad in that they create bad initrd file and causing boot to fail with complaints about relatime being an unknown option. I read the bug about relatime, but didn't think it was applicable, relatime being somewhat more recent than noatime. I guess I don't really have a preference between. I don't run any automated backup software. did you try booting the previous kernel to see if it will work for you? If it does, you could then remove the noatime from /etc/fstab, recreate the initrd for the new kernel, the re-add the noatime and try booting the new kernel. (see man initrd for guidance.) Anyway, I tried it. Removed noatime from fstab. (Booting old kernel did work.) Ran mkinitrd with no optional parameters. Still no joy. If I change the fstype back to ext3 and run mkinitrd then the system boots with apparently no problem. Then I can change fstab back to ext2 and reboot and it works. But it all seems wrong to me. I presume I need to jack this around again before and after every kernel update. And since the initrd still thinks the filesystem is ext3, I can't ever run tune2fs to actually convert it to ext2 lest the initrd choke on it. Yuck. I hope someone's working on this. Is there a bugzilla somewhere? I looked, but didn't find anything specifically similar to my problem. And what of the installer ignoring my preference for ext2? At this point I figure that if it had honored my instruction, I would have had an unusable system from the beginning... Hoping there's a better answer! -Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
system-config-keyboard depends on firstboot?
I have a system with extremely limited mass storage. So I went hunting for anything I might remove to save disk space. Anyway, I thought to myself, Self, firstboot doesn't do anything useful anymore; let's remove it! But yum tells me that removing firstboot will take system-config-keyboard with it. Not that I necessarily need system-config-keyboard, but I'm perplexed -- I would have thought that the dependency was the other way around. Does anybody understand why this odd dependency? By the way, the system is a EeePC 900A with 4GB of flash for an internal disk. And I have to say, I'm extremely pleased, overall. Everything just works, even the wireless. And I don't even have any complaints about NetworkManager, if that's possible. I haven't had to fool with a single config file yet. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Current state of multi-core awareness
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Seann Clark wrote: If it is multithreaded, like say Apache, then, under load you will see it peg all your CPU's/Cores instead of just one. I see this type of behavior on my home server, which has quad core dual Xeon's, and when I stress test HTTP all eight cores start to peak as the load gets higher. I don't think apache is multi-threaded. The reason you see all cores peak under heavy httpd load is that there are multiple apache processes launched to handle the multiple connections. In fact, even when not loaded, you will normally see many apache processes waiting in a pool for incoming connections. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
FWIW: No complaints about preupgrade here
Nobody ever complains when something works right, so I thought I'd lead by example. And there's been a number of messages lately reporting that preupgrade doesn't work right. Upgrades typically take a long time, so I figured the long holiday weekend was the perfect opportunity. I uncharacteristically decided to risk doing the entire process remotely, so I didn't even need to drive to work. From home, I logged into my development machine at work. executed preupgrade-cli, which proceeded to download 979 packages and told me to reboot to complete the upgrade. Held my breath and typed shutdown -r now and waited. At first, I thought it screwed up because 20 minutes later I still couldn't log into my machine. I despaired of the disaster I was going to find when I went back to work Monday. But this morning, I made another attempt at contact. To my delight, the machine was responding to pings and I was able to log in. From what I can tell, the upgrade was a complete success. All services on the machine seem to be running as expected. So I completely expect to be running a shiny new Fedora 10 next week with virtually no fuss. Thanks, everyone, for writing great software! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
@#$%^*! VMWare!
Does anybody have VMWare Workstation 6.0.5 working with the latest F9 kernel updates? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: @#$%^*! VMWare!
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Alan Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody have VMWare Workstation 6.0.5 working with the latest F9 kernel updates? On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Iarly Selbir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: try run the vmware-config.pl again. I'm guessing, then, that your answer to my question is, No. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: @#$%^*! VMWare!
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Wayne Feick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: VMware Workstation 6.5 is out now, with some nice new features like Unity. With this release, simply running vmware once as root will automatically rebuild all the needed modules for you. Is my 6.0 license good for 6.5 in perpetuity? Or is 6.5 just staging for 7.0, which will require me to purchase a fresh license? Anyway, back to my original question: Have you actually tried it? Does it work? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
