Re: Tar oddity...
On 12/22/2009 09:51 PM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: DB wrote: Just tried to copy the file on the F12 laptop... only 324MB of 1.7GB get copied. It looks like you could have some stability issues. I would try some basic test for your hardware. For example: while true; do md5sum somefilewithdimensionabout50MB; done Are the checksum all the same or do they change? If they change, causes could be: overclocking, bad power supply, bad RAM, bad CPU or software issues (bad kernel, unstable drivers). Try then with a bigger file, so it will have to read the disk. You can try the external disk, so you will test the USB part too. Create a file of 500MB with: dd if=/dev/urandom of=myfile bs=1048576 count=500 (replace 500 with what you want), then checksum it while true; do md5sum myfile; done use a dimension bigger than the RAM you have on your machine, so you defeat the caching that Linux will try to do. Another test could be [create some file called a] cp filea fileb while true; do cmp -l a b;done The idea is do have the machine do a lot of work for which you already know the results. If you get a bad answer (a and b are different??) you know the machine is not working well. Ciao Roberto, Thanks for the testing suggestions! So.. what I get is: -no problems when running on the F11 Desktopfor either the md5sum or the cmp, run in a while loop for a long time; -variable numbers of md5sum errors running on the F12 laptop (for example, will run 3 times with same checksum then 1 error); variable cmp errors(again, one or two clear runs then a pile of miscompares, then again several ok runs); -Ran memtest overnight without error; -tried the F12-KDE Livecd, sometimes ark opens the files, sometimes not (also tried various USB ports both direct & via a powered 7port hub with same results); -tried F11-KDE Livecd, ark opens all files without error. On the F11 Desktop, the ark "help-about" gives ARK Version 2.13 using KDE 4.3.4, on the F12 Laptop gives ARK version 2.13 using KDE 4.3.4, F11 Livecd gives ARK versio 2.12, using KDE 4.2.2, with yumex, I find that tar on the F12 is 1:22-10.fc12 arch 1686, on F11 is 2:1.22-4.fc11 arch i586, as I couldn't find any ark info through yumex, I had a look at /usr/bin/ark on both machines: on the F12 machine it is 54.7 KiB, on F11 is 143.2 Kib. If /usr/bin/ark is fubared, any idea how I can best put it right? Again, many thanks for your help Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Bulk] Re: Subject:,FC12 -- video resolution problems
On 01/01/2010 12:35 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 01/01/2010 05:50 AM, DB wrote: On 01/01/2010 03:20 AM, fedora-list-requ...@redhat.com <mailto:fedora-list-requ...@redhat.com> wrote: Subject: FC12 -- video resolution problems From: Robert Moskowitz <mailto:r...@htt-consult.com> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:39:34 -0500 To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." <mailto:fedora-list@redhat.com> I just did a FC12 install on my notebook, blowing away my Centos 5.3 install. Big step up. This is on a HP nc2400 that has the Intel 945M video. It comes up with only 800x600 resolution. So I installed system-config-display and configured the monitor manually to be LCD 1280x1024, but selected only 1024x768. I logged out and logged in, and I came up in 1024x768 video. I then pressed to switch to my external LCD monitor, and things went a bit screwy. I should point out that my monitor is on a Belkin KVM. But this has always worked in Centos. My situation right now is that the system is running both internal and external, and pressing is not getting it to roll through internal, both, external, internal, etc. as it 'use to'. If I power up with the external disconnected, I come up in 1024x768 and then if I plug the external in, it is not sized properly, like it is only 800x600 and thus you only see the center of the screen and only the background, not the running tasks. If I boot up with the external plugged in, the video is 800x600 for both internal and external, and I cannot roll through the modes. So what is going on here and how can I get things working reasonablly??? Hi Robert, I have the same situation, and used the xrandr script which Marko posted a couple of weeks ago. This turns off the laptop screen on startup, BUT anything which was on the laptopp screen gets "lost" ie, I can't refer to anything which was in the trays. If I then click on the cashew on the external screen & hit "zoom out", it shows me 2 screen images, the one I am using on the external screen (with the "blue blob"background), the other which appears to be the last laptop image with a plain blue screen. My previous F11 installation used to have the same image on both screens, which I could "auto config" on my external screen to get it to full screen & Fn-f5(Toshiba) would cycle happily throught the both-ext-lap. So far, I've not found an answer! Have you filed a bug report? If not, I think it is time to do it Not yet But I've just been googling the net & find a number of references toFn-F combinations not having worked in Ubuntu a couple of years ago, and also that Toshiba (apparently) is locked into M$ & cannot supply info for Linux. Found that if I use xrandr --output --same-as I can get both screens to have (basically) the same image - although not at the same size! But then zoomed out, found the 2 images under each other (rather than side by side) & I lost my panel again - wish I knew where they went (probably the same Black Hole where odd socks end up!) Maybe someone from KDE can tell us how to change kcmrandrrc so as to get at least the 2 screens showing the same image on startup! then we can use xrandr to switch the laptop screen on and off... Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Subject:,FC12 -- video resolution problems
On 01/01/2010 03:20 AM, fedora-list-requ...@redhat.com wrote: Subject: FC12 -- video resolution problems From: Robert Moskowitz Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:39:34 -0500 To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." I just did a FC12 install on my notebook, blowing away my Centos 5.3 install. Big step up. This is on a HP nc2400 that has the Intel 945M video. It comes up with only 800x600 resolution. So I installed system-config-display and configured the monitor manually to be LCD 1280x1024, but selected only 1024x768. I logged out and logged in, and I came up in 1024x768 video. I then pressed to switch to my external LCD monitor, and things went a bit screwy. I should point out that my monitor is on a Belkin KVM. But this has always worked in Centos. My situation right now is that the system is running both internal and external, and pressing is not getting it to roll through internal, both, external, internal, etc. as it 'use to'. If I power up with the external disconnected, I come up in 1024x768 and then if I plug the external in, it is not sized properly, like it is only 800x600 and thus you only see the center of the screen and only the background, not the running tasks. If I boot up with the external plugged in, the video is 800x600 for both internal and external, and I cannot roll through the modes. So what is going on here and how can I get things working reasonablly??? Hi Robert, I have the same situation, and used the xrandr script which Marko posted a couple of weeks ago. This turns off the laptop screen on startup, BUT anything which was on the laptopp screen gets "lost" ie, I can't refer to anything which was in the trays. If I then click on the cashew on the external screen & hit "zoom out", it shows me 2 screen images, the one I am using on the external screen (with the "blue blob"background), the other which appears to be the last laptop image with a plain blue screen. My previous F11 installation used to have the same image on both screens, which I could "auto config" on my external screen to get it to full screen & Fn-f5(Toshiba) would cycle happily throught the both-ext-lap. So far, I've not found an answer! Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Missing posts again ??
On 12/23/2009 05:19 AM, fedora-list-requ...@redhat.com wrote: Hi; On Tue, 2009-12-22 at 20:24 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Tue, 2009-12-22 at 11:00 -0500, William Case wrote: > > Hi; > > > > I am once again not receiving some posts from the fedora-list. > > > Is it possible that you configured the list for awhile not to seed your > posts back to you. No. I haven't been into my fedora-list profile for a while and it has always worked before. Besides, not only am I losing some of my own posts coming back, but I am losing responses to my posts and even one or two responses to other people's threads. However, today I have been receiving today's postings today like I normally do. ** Just now, as I was typing this at 9:41 pm EST, I received 61 fedora-list posts. Six or seven of the posts are current. The rest are marked yesterday or two days ago and include all the posts I was looking for. It doesn't make sense. Glad it wasn't just happening to me! BTW, do you get some of the lists in pale turquoise on black? I've had 3 or 4 turn up like that since the weekend, & have just found that the 'View_ Message body as' option had changed itself from plain text to "original HTML" Curiouser & curiouser. Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Tar oddity...
On 12/21/2009 01:53 AM, Chris Smart wrote: 2009/12/21 DB mailto:freddog...@yahoo.co.uk>> Hi Chris, The original command was tar cvzf F11_Home_Dave_20091217.tar.gz /home/Dave and the "problem" is that tar tvh F11*gz lists all the files on the F11 desktop, but when the external HDD is transferred to the F12 laptop, tar tvh (and ark) give the errors quoted... Make sure that you are "safely removing" your drive before you unplug it. Copy the file, run the "sync" command and then unmount. Make sure that it is definitely unmounted before you unplug it. It could be that you are removing it before it has *actually* synchronises the data. I agree with the checksum suggestions below and I'm sure they will show a difference. If so, try the above. Copy, run sync, run checksum. -c Did you run the sync command before you unmounted and unplugged the usb drive? Also, a stupid question, is the tar too big to fit on the USB device (which is only 4GB). Are you overclocking your desktop's CPU? Ok I used the "Safely unmount" (or disconnect?) in Dolphin. Tried copying the 'faulty' tar.gz & safely disconnecting, sysn sync with same results I've since tried making a new tar.gz, followed by 2 sync commands (a distant memory from 1987 GNX/SysV!). With similar results - the F12 tar tvh still crashes , but MUCH further on. The original file was 1.7GB on both machines. To the best of my knowledge(!) I'm running my DT CPU as specified by the MB maker (Elite k7S5A 133MHz for an AMD XP2K+) Are the two files the same size? Did you do the copy via a memory stick? If so, did you 'unmount' the memory stick on the source machine before unplugging it? Cheers, Terry Hi Terry, As above, both files are 1.7GB, transfer device is a Maxtor One-Touch 500GB ext HDD, & yes, I used "safely unplug" in Dolphin before unplugging Just tried to copy the file on the F12 laptop... only 324MB of 1.7GB get copied. I'm beginning to wonder whether my F12 installation is without error, as I keep losing my (KDE) panels. Each time I add a new one (so that I can open these files etc) the widget-adder show x copies of the widgets being in use - but I can't find a way of materialising the invisible panels Also, if I "zoom out" I see 2 "screens", one plain blue, one the (for want of a better term) "blue blobby one" - or is this somethinf=g to do with disabling the laptop screen with Marko's xrandr script??? Confusion reigns supreme! Thanks all for your help & suggestions Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Tar oddity...
On 12/21/2009 12:45 AM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: DB wrote: The reason I went with tar tvh was (to try) to check the contents of the file after "open with ark" in Dollphin spat out the errors. I guess that actually trying to extract the files when the table of contents fails would not be any more successful? Run md5sum F11_Home_Dave_20091217.tar.gz on both machines. If you get two different results, something bad is happening. Ah that gives 2 entirely different 32-digit numbers on the F11 desktop cee716a79cc7af0ee8f5f2613ca50578 and on the F12 laptop 802d5ea893af6f936e77b81cf00a45fb Rusult of uname -ar on each: Desktop Linux Fedora-Blue 2.6.30.9-102.fc11.i586 #1 SMP Thu Dec 3 23:46:37 EST 2009 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux Laptop Linux Fedora_Toshi 2.6.31.6-166.fc12.i686 #1 SMP Wed Dec 9 11:14:59 EST 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux Thanks for the suggestion Roberto. where to next? Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Tar oddity...
On 12/19/2009 03:27 AM, fedora-list-requ...@redhat.com wrote: Subject: Re: Tar oddity... From: Chris Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:16:47 -0600 To: fedora-list@redhat.com On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:47:26 +0100 DB wrote: > On 12/18/2009 01:23 PM,fedora-list-requ...@redhat.com wrote: > > Subject: > > Re: Tar oddity... > > From: > > Ralf Corsepius > > Date: > > Fri, 18 Dec 2009 07:28:09 +0100 > > > > To: > > "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." > > > > > > > > On 12/17/2009 11:51 PM, DB wrote: > >> Hi All, > >> > >> I've just (re)installed F12 on my laptop,& tried to copy my home > >> directory (F11) from my desktop using tar. > >> > >> The create went OK,& I can do tar tvh on the desktop no probs. > >> But when I connect the external drive to the laptop, tar tvh says > >> it's closing because of previous errors; ark refuses to open > >> the .tar.gz file as it has errors. > > > > Please show us the actual error message. You are not providing > > sufficient details to be able to help. > > > > Ralf > > > Hi Ralf, > > ark puts up a dialog box > reading the archive ".tar.gz" > failed with the error > 'The archive reading failed with message: Damaged tar archive' > > and tar tvf reads 45 entries and then > >tar: skipping to next header >tar: exiting with failure status due to previous errors > > but doesn't say what previous errors! > > TIA > > Dave > Why not use tar -zxvf xxx.tar.gz unless, its just xxx.tar, then it would be tar -xvf xxx.tar Otherwise, perhaps your archive never finished correctly or is corrupt. it would be interesting to see the command you used to create the archive. -- Best regards, Chris Hi Chris, The original command was tar cvzf F11_Home_Dave_20091217.tar.gz /home/Dave and the "problem" is that tar tvh F11*gz lists all the files on the F11 desktop, but when the external HDD is transferred to the F12 laptop, tar tvh (and ark) give the errors quoted... The reason I went with tar tvh was (to try) to check the contents of the file after "open with ark" in Dollphin spat out the errors. I guess that actually trying to extract the files when the table of contents fails would not be any more successful? Thanks Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Tar oddity...
On 12/18/2009 11:19 PM, fedora-list-requ...@redhat.com wrote: Subject: Re: Tar oddity... From: José Matos Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:46:56 + To: fedora-list@redhat.com On Friday 18 December 2009 20:11:00 DB wrote: > Thanks Rick, > > I've been doing > tar tvf F11*.gz on both machines. Works on the F11 desktop, not on the > F12 Lappy. > > Your tvfz suggestion stops in the same place.:-( > > ?? > > Dave What does "file .tar.gz" says about it? Hi Jose On the F11 Desktop: file F11*.gz F11_* 20091217.tar.gz: gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Thu Dec 17 14:24:22 2009 Exactly the same on the F12 Laptop. Thanks Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Tar oddity...
On 12/18/2009 07:40 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 12/18/2009 05:47 AM, DB wrote: On 12/18/2009 01:23 PM, fedora-list-requ...@redhat.com wrote: Subject: Re: Tar oddity... From: Ralf Corsepius Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 07:28:09 +0100 To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." On 12/17/2009 11:51 PM, DB wrote: Hi All, I've just (re)installed F12 on my laptop, & tried to copy my home directory (F11) from my desktop using tar. The create went OK, & I can do tar tvh on the desktop no probs. But when I connect the external drive to the laptop, tar tvh says it's closing because of previous errors; ark refuses to open the .tar.gz file as it has errors. Please show us the actual error message. You are not providing sufficient details to be able to help. Ralf Hi Ralf, ark puts up a dialog box reading the archive ".tar.gz" failed with the error 'The archive reading failed with message: Damaged tar archive' and tar tvf reads 45 entries and then tar: skipping to next header tar: exiting with failure status due to previous errors but doesn't say what previous errors! Try "tar tvzf xxx.tar.gz". The fact it has a ".gz" at the end indicates that it's a gzipped tar file so you must specify "z" in the tar command line. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ri...@nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - Do not taunt the sysadmins, for they are subtle and quick to anger - -- Thanks Rick, I've been doing tar tvf F11*.gz on both machines. Works on the F11 desktop, not on the F12 Lappy. Your tvfz suggestion stops in the same place. :-( ?? Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Tar oddity...
On 12/18/2009 01:23 PM, fedora-list-requ...@redhat.com wrote: Subject: Re: Tar oddity... From: Ralf Corsepius Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 07:28:09 +0100 To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." On 12/17/2009 11:51 PM, DB wrote: Hi All, I've just (re)installed F12 on my laptop, & tried to copy my home directory (F11) from my desktop using tar. The create went OK, & I can do tar tvh on the desktop no probs. But when I connect the external drive to the laptop, tar tvh says it's closing because of previous errors; ark refuses to open the .tar.gz file as it has errors. Please show us the actual error message. You are not providing sufficient details to be able to help. Ralf Hi Ralf, ark puts up a dialog box reading the archive ".tar.gz" failed with the error 'The archive reading failed with message: Damaged tar archive' and tar tvf reads 45 entries and then tar: skipping to next header tar: exiting with failure status due to previous errors but doesn't say what previous errors! TIA Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Tar oddity...
Hi All, I've just (re)installed F12 on my laptop, & tried to copy my home directory (F11) from my desktop using tar. The create went OK, & I can do tar tvh on the desktop no probs. But when I connect the external drive to the laptop, tar tvh says it's closing because of previous errors; ark refuses to open the .tar.gz file as it has errors. The versions of tar & ark *appear* to be the same.. Anyone got any ideas what I might do to find the errors??? As ever, thanks for your help!!! Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Saving Tbird e-mail files?
Subject: Saving Tbird e-mail files? - From: Bob Goodwin Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:33:06 -0500 To: Fedora-list There must be a way to save/export/import Thunderbirds email files when going from F-11 to F-12! I have never been able to do this despite suggestions to simply move the Thunderbirds "Mail" files. Every six months or so I lose all the mail when I upgrade Fedora and reinstall Thunderbirds, I usually have two Fedora computers as is the case now. I would like to move the mail from the F-11 box to the new F-12 installation on a second computer. The Thunderbirds mail import function looks for something in "Communicator 4x" or some such thing but is very inflexible. "Communicator 4x" doesn't exist on any of my computers! Is there a known working procedure to accomplish this. I routinely transfer files between them via sftp and nfs. But those mail files defy all my attempts. Any help appreciated. Bob Hi Bob, I copy the .thunderbird folder from my home directory (and .mozilla for Firefox) when moving from desktop to laptop & new installations. Hope that helps Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Saving Tbird e-mail files?
On 12/17/2009 10:33 PM, fedora-list-requ...@redhat.com wrote: Subject: Saving Tbird e-mail files? - From: Bob Goodwin Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:33:06 -0500 To: Fedora-list There must be a way to save/export/import Thunderbirds email files when going from F-11 to F-12! I have never been able to do this despite suggestions to simply move the Thunderbirds "Mail" files. Every six months or so I lose all the mail when I upgrade Fedora and reinstall Thunderbirds, I usually have two Fedora computers as is the case now. I would like to move the mail from the F-11 box to the new F-12 installation on a second computer. The Thunderbirds mail import function looks for something in "Communicator 4x" or some such thing but is very inflexible. "Communicator 4x" doesn't exist on any of my computers! Is there a known working procedure to accomplish this. I routinely transfer files between them via sftp and nfs. But those mail files defy all my attempts. Any help appreciated. Bob Hi Bob, I copy the .thunderbird folder from my home directory (& the .mozilla for Firefox )to carry my settings from one machine/installation to another. It's worked fine for a couple of years now. Hope that helps Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Saving Tbird e-mail files?
On 12/17/2009 10:33 PM, fedora-list-requ...@redhat.com wrote: Subject: Saving Tbird e-mail files? - From: Bob Goodwin Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:33:06 -0500 To: Fedora-list There must be a way to save/export/import Thunderbirds email files when going from F-11 to F-12! I have never been able to do this despite suggestions to simply move the Thunderbirds "Mail" files. Every six months or so I lose all the mail when I upgrade Fedora and reinstall Thunderbirds, I usually have two Fedora computers as is the case now. I would like to move the mail from the F-11 box to the new F-12 installation on a second computer. The Thunderbirds mail import function looks for something in "Communicator 4x" or some such thing but is very inflexible. "Communicator 4x" doesn't exist on any of my computers! Is there a known working procedure to accomplish this. I routinely transfer files between them via sftp and nfs. But those mail files defy all my attempts. Any help appreciated. Bob Hi Bob, If you use Dolphin as file manager, turn on (under View) Show Hidden Files for your Home directory. Then you'll see .thunderbird which contains everything you ever did with TBird. copy the .thunderbird to your new machine/installation & - as the old english saying has it - "Bob's your uncle"! To do the same for Firefox, you'd need to copy the .mozilla directory. Hope that helps Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Reorganising F11 partitions - how to? --follow-on
Hi all, After following the various advice you gave me, I was able to a) move my /usr partition contacts to / & modify fstab. Trying to get rid of the /tmp partition put me into the "login-black screen" cycle, so had to leave that alone. Did the 11-12 preupgrade with the only problem of not having enoough space for the upgrade image in /boot; that got dealt with by the download alternative. So... everything "sort of" works. Biggest annoyance (machine is a Toshiba Equium A160 loptop) is when the machine goes into powersave or I close the lid, the restart produces a screen that looks like a psychedelic nightmare. By knowing where things are, I can start some of the apps, but the text is not 100% readable. 2nd biggest pain is to persuade the graphics that I only want one screen image (maybe in 2 sizes for the Toshiba screen & my external screen), rather than an image somehow split over the 2 screens. -I'll be trying the script Marko offered during the week. Then it appears that if I plugin a USB device, it gets recognised, but if I startup with the device already plugged in, it isn't seen. (Similar happened in F11 with my PCMCIA WLAN card, it was only recognised when plugged into a running system. And of course, Skype still kills itself when I try to test the webcam. OK, following on from the preupgrade idea... If I want to do a clean install, I have the choice of Live-cd, DVD-iso od CD-isos. I had some problems last year trying to burn a DVD-iso, so I'm wondering:- can I burn all the CD images one-by-one to a DVD & then boot from it & have the installer find the disc images as they are required? Or is it a must to have them each on a separate CD? Or as the Toshi refuses to boot from a USB device, can I do a someone was suggesting during the week, burn the initial disc to CD & then access the other disc images from a USB external drive? As ever, many thanks for all your suggestions, Dave in snowy Rauris -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Reorganising F11 partitions - how to?
On 11/27/2009 07:00 AM, Tim wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 19:19 +0100, DB wrote: When I first installed F11 on the laptop, I setup several partitions (suggestions from O'Reilly's "running Linux"...), which now doesn't seem such a good idea or necessary idea. Not knowing exactly what advice you read, I can only say that sometimes it's a good idea, othertimes it's not. You can subdivide problems with partitions (e.g. a user filling up /home isn't going to be able to put logging out of action in /var). But you need a drive that's big enough, with *plenty* of space to spare, if you're going to use separate partitions. What I'd like to do is to move the contents of /usr /local& /tmp from their individual partitions into the / partition& delete the individual (now empty) partitions, sharing the space out amongs / and /Home. Q1. Is this possible? Yes. But if you're not running out of space, I'd suggest leaving things be. If you are short on space, then sure, go ahead and rearrange. Q2. Do I a) do the mv (or cp + rm) of the contents then b) use KDE4 Partitionmanager to unmount the partitions& modify the space and c) remove the unneeded entries from fstab, restart& all is OK? You don't need anything in /tmp, it's all temporary files. Just have your fstab point to the /tmp that you want to use, and delete the old one. If /tmp is a directory in /, then you shouldn't need any mention of it in the fstab file. Likewise for the rest of the directory tree (you mount partitions onto directories, and if you don't, the directories are used as they are). For the safety's sake, I'd suggest copy, check the copy worked, then do your deletions. But in the case of deleting a whole partition, it's quicker not to go deleting files from it, but simply wipe the partition in one go. or Q3. Is there a way with one of the CLI partitioners to merge the individual partitions with the existing / partition? Probably. I've done something similar with GUI tools, they're usually just a front end to CLI tools. Though, it *may* be easier to just shrink down unwanted partitions, and not mount them, and expand other partitions to fill the drive, rather than try to merge different partitions into one. PS is therre a way of searching 'man' pages to look for "a command that does 'x' "? While reading a man file, hit the slash key, type in the keyword, then hit enter. If it's mentioned, it'll jump through to that part of the man file. To search for the same term again, just hit / then enter. If you want to find the man pages for some particular keyword, then the apropos command is what you want. For example, and this is a safe command for you to type in: apropos format Thanks, Tim! Let's see what sort of a mess I can make ;-}} . When push comes to shove, I can always start from scratch as my desktop is still running F11 correctly. Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Bulk] Re: Reorganising F11 partitions - how to?
On 11/26/2009 08:13 PM, suvayu ali wrote: 2009/11/26 DB: PS is therre a way of searching 'man' pages to look for "a command that does 'x' "? You can try `apropos x' or `man -k x' Thanks! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Reorganising F11 partitions - how to?
Hi all, Again, thanks to all for the support, systems, ideas (& laughs - "The Prius Upgrade" -- sounded a bit like my old Landrover!) Ok... tried the F12-KDE Live cd & am very impressed, especially as it decided "orl on its own" to treat my laptop screen & plugged in monitor as a dual head where I spent 5 minutes looking for my cursor before I realised it was on the other screen.. so now I wwant to use preupgrade to zap 11 to 12. When I first installed F11 on the laptop, I setup several partitions (suggestions from O'Reilly's "running Linux"...), which now doesn't seem such a good idea or necessary idea. What I'd like to do is to move the contents of /usr /local & /tmp from their individual partitions into the / partition & delete the individual (now empty) partitions, sharing the space out amongs / and /Home. Q1. Is this possible? if yes, Q2. Do I a) do the mv (or cp + rm) of the contents then b) use KDE4 Partitionmanager to unmount the partitions & modify the space and c) remove the unneeded entries from fstab, restart & all is OK? or Q3. Is there a way with one of the CLI partitioners to merge the individual partitions with the existing / partition? As ever, many thanks for taking the time to help me out! Dave in freezing cold Rauris. PS is therre a way of searching 'man' pages to look for "a command that does 'x' "? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fwd: Re: Understanding Local Networking - Thanks, so far....
On 09/20/2009 04:12 PM, Tim wrote: On Sat, 2009-09-19 at 18:54 +0200, DB wrote: 4) I'm not able to put my "host name" in any of these commands, only the IP address - it seems that somewhere along the line DNS ain't doin' what I thought it ought to! What did you think it should do, and how did you expect it to work? A DNS server relates numerical IP addresses and named addresses together. It has a database that's either programmed into it, or it queries something else for its answers, it doesn't magically get the answer. On a home LAN, either you might preset some local records, or you might have a DHCP server that sets records into a DNS server. You can put /etc/hosts files onto each computer on your LAN, writing names and addresses into it, and that'll work fine for most things. Your "networking" query seems more to do with Windows networking (SMB) than just networking. There's a /etc/samba/lmhosts that can be used for name resolution for Windows networking. Windows can also broadcast queries, just hoping that the right box will respond. I don't know if Samba on Linux supports working that way (it's not a good way to run a network, by the way). Using those two hosts and lmhosts files is only going to work if your computers always use the same IP addresses. If you have a LAN where IPs get randomly assigned, you'll have to keep changing your hosts and lmhosts files. Thanks, Tim. I guess you've hit the nail on the head As there are so many "things" automatically installed in/by Fedora, I just sort of assumed that when I set a local hostname & then let NM do its stuff, that 'magically' the IP address & the hostname would be linked together "somewhere in a (cyber-)galaxy far, far away" Wrong I now see that there are all sorts of doodads involved & from my quick read of various articles & how-tos , there doesn't appear to be a script/wizard to set all of them up properly. More digging is indicated! BTW, I find the thread "name server via dhcp, but don't want dhcp assigned addresses " seems to be going down the same path, so I'll keep an eye on it. To try & answer your point about what am I trying to do As I said in the original thread, I have a desktop & a laptop, both running F11, plus my wife's XP machine; all cable connected via a D-Link box to the ISP's box. I'd like to be able to keep the "Home" partition of the F11 machines in sync, so that when I go travelling I know that the lappy has an up-to-date- copy of everything I've been messing with. Up till now I've used Stick-net to copy over the things I remember. Then there are the external drives attached to the Desktop & the printer, which I'd like to access from all 3 machines - "Her Indoors" expects to have her photos etc. printed "instantly, if not faster".. From the descriptions, Samba seemed like the way to go Anyway, thanks again for your comments, I'll keep on digging! Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Fwd: Re: Understanding Local Networking - Thanks, so far....
Hi All, Thanks first off for the help & suggestions! 1) So far, by enabling nmb & smb services, I've been able to see my work-group & its machines with smb4k, I can also see the first level of shared directories & printers. (Would be nice if, after installing Samba, that whenever I start Samba or one of its bits, 'IT' would check the state of the services & either start them as necessary or give me a message to do so... No, I've zilch idea how to do something like that!) BUT (there's always a 'but'!), if I click on the top level directory, expecting it to open up like Pandora's Box, all I get is a message "The share xxx could not be mounted" & in the details box mount error(1): Operation not permitted Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs) Tried using mount.cifs to mount the local top directory & all I get is one directory from the next layer, which is also not openable. Using smbclient, I've been able to copy single files from one machine to the other!!! 2) Tried the fish in konqueror, that throws up in either direction that the other machine is refusing the connection: "The server xxx refused to allow this computer to make a connection" As far as I can understand. using KDE Desktop Sharing, I've allowed anything that seems useful.. 3) Found nmap & installed it to find out what ports I had on each machine, results; 111/tcp open rpcbind | rpcinfo: | 10 2,3,4 111/udp rpcbind | 100024 1 53843/udp status | 10 2,3,4 111/tcp rpcbind |_ 100024 1 59421/tcp status 139/tcp open netbios-ssn Samba smbd 3.X (work-group: LXP) 445/tcp open netbios-ssn Samba smbd 3.X (work-group: LXP) 5900/tcp open vnc VNC (protocol 3.8) (At the time nmap runs, I see a "Someone is requesting access" message from Desktop Sharing on the remote machine.) 4) I'm not able to put my "host name" in any of these commands, only the IP address - it seems that somewhere along the line DNS ain't doin' what I thought it ought to! 5) From the desktop sharing, I can generate new invitations & I've just managed to connect! What a trip round the houses! BUT (again!) all I get on the invited computer is the screen of the inviter - that actually is not readable - I might almost think I'd been on the beer all day!!! I'm guessing that to be able to change what's on the screen, the inviter needs to allow the invitee to use mouse & keyboard And I'm suspecting I will not be able to copy files from one to the other through this shared desktop? 6) Tried to check man fuse-smb, nothing there till I installed fuse-smb. Not yet sure how/whether this will help me. 7) Checked /var/log/messages & var/log/samba - empty! Again, thanks to all for your help! If anyone can point me in some new directions, I'll be most grateful! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Bulk] Re: Understanding Local Networking - help please?
On 09/16/2009 01:46 AM, Michael Semcheski wrote: I think getting Samba setup is potentially difficult - you don't describe it in enough depth to say what exactly the problem is (my guess - you need to access the machine by using its DNS name or IP address, the "browsing the network neighborhood" doesn't even work all the time on a properly configured Windows network.) However, if its a relatively small amount of traffic between Linux machines, I would be more inclined to use ssh / scp / sftp. It takes a little effort to setup (generate RSA keys, copy the public key to the other machine*, etc.) It is very convenient once its setup. You can also use something like filezilla, winscp, or best of all sshfs. * something like the following works: cat .ssh/id_rsa.pub | ssh u...@othermachine "cat - >> .ssh/authorized_keys" On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:36 PM, DB <mailto:freddog...@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote: On 09/15/2009 11:56 PM, Steve Searle wrote: Around 10:34pm on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 (UK time), DB scrawled: Thanks Michael, It turns out I have an installed Firewall I wasn't aware of which had to be opened for Samba & Client, and that the smb & nmb services were disabled So at least I can see all the attached machines now. I'll take a look at ssh & co. Thanks again Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Understanding Local Networking - help please?
On 01/-10/-28163 08:59 PM, Mikkel wrote: DB wrote: Dumb question 1 - are you running the smb and nmb services on the machines you are trying to connect to? Dumb question 2 - are you running a firewall on the machines? If so, did you open it up for Samba and Samba client? Dumb question 3 - does /var/log/messages or the log files in /var/log/samba show anything when you try to brows the network? Mikkel Ahh, the value of Dumb Questions! smb & nmb wer disabled, & the firewall I didn't know I had wasn't open to Samba and Samba-client!! So now I can see all 3 computers from both Fedora machines. Now to find out how to access the files/mount the shares. Thanks Mikkel!!! Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Understanding Local Networking - help please?
On 09/15/2009 11:56 PM, Steve Searle wrote: Around 10:34pm on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 (UK time), DB scrawled: Does anyone have any suggestions how to proceed?? I'm no expert, but this might help move things on. I assume each machine can ping the router, as their Internet connextions work. However, can each machine ping both other machines? Steve Hi Steve, Thanks for the suggestion - I'd even forgotten that ping existed! I'll have to build me a Little Reminder Script "when this, then that"!! Strangely, I don't seem to be able to ping the gateway... but after several false starts, I get the following when pinging the desktop from the laptop & the LT from itself: [d...@fedora-toshi ~]$ ping -R -a -c 5 192.168.0.160 PING 192.168.0.160 (192.168.0.160) 56(124) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 192.168.0.160: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.337 ms RR: 192.168.0.111 192.168.0.160 192.168.0.160 192.168.0.111 64 bytes from 192.168.0.160: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.322 ms(same route) 64 bytes from 192.168.0.160: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.317 ms(same route) 64 bytes from 192.168.0.160: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.330 ms(same route) 64 bytes from 192.168.0.160: icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 time=0.334 ms(same route) --- 192.168.0.160 ping statistics --- 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4000ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.317/0.328/0.337/0.007 ms [d...@fedora-toshi ~]$ ping -R -a -c 5 192.168.0.111 PING 192.168.0.111 (192.168.0.111) 56(124) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 192.168.0.111: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.162 ms RR: 192.168.0.111 192.168.0.111 192.168.0.111 192.168.0.111 64 bytes from 192.168.0.111: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.132 ms(same route) 64 bytes from 192.168.0.111: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.108 ms(same route) 64 bytes from 192.168.0.111: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.133 ms(same route) 64 bytes from 192.168.0.111: icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 time=0.122 ms(same route) --- 192.168.0.111 ping statistics --- 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4015ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.108/0.131/0.162/0.020 ms & Netstat gives the following: [d...@fedora-toshi ~]$ netstat -rn Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG0 0 0 eth0 [d...@fedora-toshi ~]$ [d...@fedora-toshi ~]$ netstat -s Ip: 11703 total packets received 0 forwarded 0 incoming packets discarded 11212 incoming packets delivered 10408 requests sent out Icmp: 100 ICMP messages received 20 input ICMP message failed. ICMP input histogram: destination unreachable: 2 echo requests: 28 echo replies: 60 171 ICMP messages sent 0 ICMP messages failed ICMP output histogram: destination unreachable: 9 echo request: 144 echo replies: 18 IcmpMsg: InType0: 60 InType3: 2 InType8: 28 OutType0: 18 OutType3: 9 OutType8: 144 Tcp: 546 active connections openings 2 passive connection openings 22 failed connection attempts 7 connection resets received 0 connections established 9271 segments received 8282 segments send out 18 segments retransmited 0 bad segments received. 94 resets sent Udp: 1839 packets received 2 packets to unknown port received. 0 packet receive errors 1935 packets sent UdpLite: TcpExt: 52 TCP sockets finished time wait in fast timer 422 delayed acks sent 28 packets directly queued to recvmsg prequeue. 11030 packets directly received from prequeue 6212 packets header predicted 9 packets header predicted and directly queued to user 900 acknowledgments not containing data received 489 predicted acknowledgments 1 congestion windows recovered after partial ack 0 TCP data loss events 11 other TCP timeouts 1 DSACKs received 19 connections reset due to unexpected data 4 connections reset due to early user close 1 connections aborted due to timeout IpExt: InMcastPkts: 146 OutMcastPkts: 66 InBcastPkts: 348 OutBcastPkts: 34 InOctets: 9439157 OutOctets: 1123336 InMcastOctets: 23470 OutMcastOctets: 9545 InBcastOctets: 55988 OutBcastOctets: 3112 [d...@fedora-toshi ~]$ I'm not much wiser. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Understanding Local Networking - help please?
Evening All, I'm going a bit round in circles (again!), this time it's LAN networking which is causing my discomfort... I've got a desktop & a laptop, both running Fed 11 & KDE (both installed from the 11-KDE live CD), the LT since just after the release, the DT since the weekend. There is also my wife's XP machine. All 3 are connected by cable to a D-Link 524, which in turn is cable-connected to the ISP's Scientific Atlanta router. All 3 machines connect without problem to the outside world, BUT I don't seem to be able to get any joy out of trying to swap files between them. I tried Samba and SMB4K but neither Fedora machine is able to see anything in its Network neighbourhood. (Left the XP machine out of the equation for now!) So then I tried Krfb, but although I set up an invitation on either or both machine, I don't (seem to) get any reaction from the other. My guess is, I've misunderstood some of the descriptions in the various manuals; and/or failed to activate "something" to make signals go up one wire & down the other. As far as I'm aware, I set Selinux on both machines to Permissive (to stop the string of failure messages while trying to get everything installed & updated), & I don't think I have any other sort of firewall running... (Last year while still on XP, the same machines with the same Nic cards & same routers were able to communicate quite happily, and would still recognise the IP address of the DT when I converted it to F9). Does anyone have any suggestions how to proceed?? As ever, enormous thanks to all for any help!!! Greetings from Austria Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: RE: Question on using a Joystick as a mouse in Fedora please?
On 01/-10/-28163 08:59 PM, Smith, Herb wrote: > > > I adopted a "track ball" mouse that allows you to move the cursor with > your thumb and thus eliminate the necessity to have a lot of wrist > movement. It works great for me. > > Herb Smith > > > Hi, I also use a Logitech TB (Trackman Marble FX) where the ball is finger (rather than thumb) operated which put all the strain on my thumb as it ends up operating the Left button. So I have to reverse the mouse in System Setup (left-handed mouse) & this works fine. Cheers Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Problem with new Samsung HM121hc disc
Hi All, Sorry to bother you all again I just bought a 120GB Samsung HM121HC disc, and cannot get it to 'work'. I tried puting it in an external box , plug it in, can feel motor is spinning. But nothing comes up. Qparted & Gparted do not see an external device. the KDE Info says a Mass Storage Device is atached to a usb port. lsusb shows me the name of the maker of the housing. Anyone any ideas how to check that what I have is compatible with my system before I ship it back? (purcahsed in the UK whilst visiting, now back in Austria.) As ever, all suggestions greatfully received! Dave (Fwdora 11 KDE, on a Toshiba Equium A60-692) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Skype & F11
Hi All, I know, Skype is not the most recommended... I've got Skype 2.0.0.75-fc5 (i586) running(?) on F11 2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586 #1 SMP Tue Jun 16 23:11:39 EDT 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux. Using KDE. Whenever I try to test my webcam, call or receive a message, Skype closes down. I can exchange Chat messages , and call the "Skype Call testing service". Anyone any thoughts as to what might be going on? Thanks Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora-list Digest Batching email enhancement
Re: fedora-list Digest Batching email enhancement Message: 9 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:05:43 -0400 From: Todd Zullinger Subject: Re: fedora-list Digest Batching email enhancement To: fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: <20090628200543.gi4...@inocybe.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" DB wrote: > Sounds like an idea I need! Where does one select MIME digests? The > sign-up page only seems to give the option of daily digests yes or > no.. On the user options page for your list account. You can get there via the listinfo page mentioned in the footer, or more directly: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/options/fedora-list Then toggle the MIME option in the 'Get MIME or Plain Text Digests?' section. -- Todd Thanks! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora-list Digest Batching email enhancement
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:57:58 -0400 From: Todd Zullinger Subject: Re: fedora-list Digest Batching email enhancement To: fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: <20090628165758.gh4...@inocybe.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Leslie Satenstein wrote: > As you can see from the table of contents, (refer below my > signature), the messages are numbered. > > Is it possible to add a number to the message headers appearing in > clear text, that are listed thereafter? AFAIK, not without patching mailman, the list software. I think setting your preferences to receive MIME digests makes for a nicer experience. That way, you can easily view each digest message as its own message and reply to them without losing the headers needed for proper threading. Hi Todd, Sounds like an idea I need! Where does one select MIME digests? The sign-up page only seems to give the option of daily digests yes or no.. Cheers Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 Liveuser Password
Having a bad day are you?:-) >> -- > On my desktop, I had this problem with F10, trying to get to rescue the > system; F11 loaded straight away on my laptop. The difference appears to > have been that the /tmp on my desktop had no space... My > imagination?? If you used the Fedora Live-CD then the whole OS was, more or less, loaded into the memory of your computer. Do you actually have a dedicated partition that is /tmp on your hard drive? If so. Why? And if it was 'full' I would think that would have been because of Fedora 10. Yes, I followed a setup suggestion from somewhere(!), and have a /tmp partition. I'd been trying to install "Rome-Total War" under wine & the only place big enough was /tmp. When that didn't work, I forgot to clear /tmp (as well as some left overs from before I switched to KDE) so yes, tmp had no free space. I couldn't login to F10 normally (thought it must have been a download which screwed up my system) I tried the CD to try & rescue the system. That's when I got the crazy login/password problem. Once I'd managed to clear /tmp, all worked normally again. But as I wrote earlier, running the F11 Live-CD on my laptop (which also had F10 on it) gave no problems & has installed quite happily onto harddisk (reformatting all the existing partitions except /boot to ext4) Cheers Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 Liveuser Password
fedora-list-requ...@redhat.com wrote: Subject: Re: F11 Liveuser Password To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." Message-ID: <4a3bfb7d.9010...@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 6/19/2009 4:16 PM, R. G. Newbury wrote: > "Kevin J. Cummings" wrote > >> R. G. Newbury wrote: >> > OK, Now I'm really frustrated. >> > What IS the password for the 'liveuser' user? > >>Password? When the GDM screen comes up, it auto-logins after a short >>wait (less than a minute ISTR). When inside the environment, I can >>type "su -" and I'm not asked for a password > > This is the LiveCD-KDE spin. When the login screen comes up it is > exactly like a normal KDE login. It NEVER auto-logs. > > And NO password works. > >> > Of course, there is NOTHING in the release notes. >> > Thanks guys > > But I repeat myself. This is another example of stupid nanny actions. > The damn thing is a LIVECD. It does not NEED a password for the user: it > creates the user. Kabuki security revisited ( the prior visitation being > that root is denied access to install programs through the browser, > although a normal user (acting as an abnormal user) is allowed to do the > same thing.) *You are right!!* We should rant! And rave! And get *really, really angry!* Quick! Give me the microphone! So that I can yell the *loud, funny words!* No one else has downloaded this and booted this? No one else has complained? In this much time? Really? The Live-CD KDE boots with out a login screen of any kind here. None at all. It boot right to the KDE desktop. Having a bad day are you? :-) -- On my desktop, I had this problem with F10, trying to get to rescue the system; F11 loaded straight away on my laptop. The difference appears to have been that the /tmp on my desktop had no space... My imagination?? Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
How and when do updates of apps get into repos?
Hi all, A question that has scratched at my grey cell for a time. There are apps in repos & there are more recent versions on their home pages or in Source Forge - how and when do the updated versions get incorporated into the repos? And the other side of the same question If I install/build/compile or whatever one of these updated versions into my F10, will yum & co be able to keep tabs on it or must I keep a running watch on the page I got it from? And if I find an RPM on a non-Fedora site, what are likely/possible side-effect consequences of installing it?? Thanks Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Skype under Fedora-10
Message: 3 Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:14:11 +0100 From: Alan Cox Subject: Re: Skype under Fedora-10 To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." Cc: gayle...@eircom.net Message-ID: <20090607151411.08f0b...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > I don't understand why there is not a similar Linux system. > Surely developing a VoIP protocol can't be brain surgery? > And what exactly is the advantage or using SIP? Almost everything else on the planet except Skype uses SIP and they all interwork. You can inspect your SIP code and be sure it contains no suprises while you can't with Skype - see http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/25/skype_backdoor_rumours/ and the stuff about China and Skype. With open source you could verify the situation, with Skype you can't. Skype is essentially the MS Windows of the VoIP world: proprietary and closed. It talks to nothing but itself, and even encrypts its own binaries to prevent people reverse engineering it. Hi Alan et al. First, thanks for the link - I tend (as a retiree) not to spend a lot of time following the rants and raves in the Internet about big software/hardware suppliers. I'd end up neuroticer than a mad dog! - but it was very interesting to see how something "useful" like Skype is/maybe financed. I was surprised to learn from the article that S belongs to eBay Now... if one is to avoid supporting the proprietary market does anyone have a quick guide (!) to the Open Source alternatives? An answer to the questions like "can I hold an audio meeting with non-Linux friends"; "does xyz allow video communication"; "can I use the white board via xyz" & so on For once I begin to understand the strong points of Kevin & Co about the Dark Side of closed systems! Thanks all Dave. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can't boot after an update
Sorry all, hit "send" too quick & forgot to change the subject line (again!) Mea maxima culpa. Dave Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 00:39:34 -0700 From: "Wolfgang S. Rupprecht" Subject: Re: Can't boot after an update To: fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: <87hbz9637t@ancho.wsrcc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii DB writes: I'm now trying to find a script that will clean /tmp automatically on a regular basis. (I think part of the backlog is due to the switch from Gnome to KDE) I clean my /tmp on each orderly shutdown. That way if the system crashes, my /tmp is preserved but when I do a reboot, it gets cleaned. Put this in /sbin/halt.local. /sbin/halt.local: #!/bin/sh # wsrcc halt script echo "WSRCC: Clearing /tmp" cd / /bin/rm -rf /tmp/* /tmp/.??* sync; sync; sync; # # end # I used to use an age based clearing method, but that tended to remove things I was still using if the system stayed up too long and it didn't clear things quickly enough such as cases where something significant changed and caused a name clash in /tmp. (Try changing UID's around sometime and forget about the files in /tmp. Things won't be sane until all those files get nuked.) -wolfgang Thanks Wolfgang, I'll give it a whirl! Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora-list Digest, Vol 63, Issue 119
f Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 00:39:34 -0700 From: "Wolfgang S. Rupprecht" Subject: Re: Can't boot after an update To: fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: <87hbz9637t@ancho.wsrcc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii DB writes: I'm now trying to find a script that will clean /tmp automatically on a regular basis. (I think part of the backlog is due to the switch from Gnome to KDE) I clean my /tmp on each orderly shutdown. That way if the system crashes, my /tmp is preserved but when I do a reboot, it gets cleaned. Put this in /sbin/halt.local. /sbin/halt.local: #!/bin/sh # wsrcc halt script echo "WSRCC: Clearing /tmp" cd / /bin/rm -rf /tmp/* /tmp/.??* sync; sync; sync; # # end # I used to use an age based clearing method, but that tended to remove things I was still using if the system stayed up too long and it didn't clear things quickly enough such as cases where something significant changed and caused a name clash in /tmp. (Try changing UID's around sometime and forget about the files in /tmp. Things won't be sane until all those files get nuked.) -wolfgang Thanks Wolfgang, I'll give it a whirl! Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can't boot after an update
Message: 13 Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 00:39:39 +0200 From: Kevin Kofler Subject: Re: Can't boot after an update To: fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii DB wrote: > Got myself to a CLI, logged on as root, edited inittab to start in level > 3. Login under my normal username is accepted, try startx, screen > flashes some text (something about authority, I think from the bit I can > see), screen goes black then comes back to the CLI with several repeats > of a message about keyboard not compiling, error not fatal, waiting for > X to terminate. Logon as root is accepted, gives a grey screen & then a > Gnome window comes up & seems to work OK. What video driver? Did it get upgraded recently? NV, but I don't think it has been changed in a long time. > Tried the Live CD. The original non-KDE one works OK, the KDE CD comes > up to a login window wanting a password for "liveuser" (which it never > did before - this system was installed from the F10-live-kde disc > without any problem); I've tried all the passwords I can think of & it > just keeps coming back to the login screen. The default password on the live CDs is blank, i.e. don't enter a password, just press ENTER. No idea why the autologon isn't working though. Umm, the blank password was my first guess, & didn't work. Kevin Kofler Thanks for your help Kevin. It turns out /tmp was full, & once I'd cleaned out the .trash the system started up again without problem. I'm now trying to find a script that will clean /tmp automatically on a regular basis. (I think part of the backlog is due to the switch from Gnome to KDE) Thanks again Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Bulk] Re: Can't boot after an update
Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 23 May 2009 20:41:16 DB wrote: Anyone got any thoughts as to what might have happened & how I might get past this %&&(%$$ login?? Many thanks (again) for any help Unlikely as it seems, it looks as though something has messed up your /home ownership. Use Failsafe again, and try 'ls -l /home/dave'. If the ownership is not shown correctly use 'chown -R dave:dave /home/dave' - altering the commands, of course, to your system's needs. If the ownership is correct and so are the permissions, still in failsafe mode use passwd to reset it - 'passwd dave' will ask you for the new password. HTH Anne Thanks Anne, permissions, ownership & password were all OK...But /tmp was full! Cleared out the .trash & I'm back in business again. I'll be trying the varioous scripts I've seen on other forums for clearing /tmp automatically! Need to try the Live CD again now & see whether that runs! Thanks again for your help Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Can't boot after an update
Evening All - at least here in Austria it's evening! On my other machine, I have Fedora10 (preupgraded from a clean F9), initially working with Gnome, but since January happily running KDE. For months now, no problems. Until yesterday evening! Applied the recommended updates with Yumex & now cannot login. When I try to login normally, I give in my Username & password, the login screen goes away, the little circle woergles away and pouf! back to the login screen. Tried selecting Gnome instead of KDE at the login, nothing appears to happen. At the login window, I cannot specify keyboard nor language. Got myself to a CLI, logged on as root, edited inittab to start in level 3. Login under my normal username is accepted, try startx, screen flashes some text (something about authority, I think from the bit I can see), screen goes black then comes back to the CLI with several repeats of a message about keyboard not compiling, error not fatal, waiting for X to terminate. Logon as root is accepted, gives a grey screen & then a Gnome window comes up & seems to work OK. Tried the Live CD. The original non-KDE one works OK, the KDE CD comes up to a login window wanting a password for "liveuser" (which it never did before - this system was installed from the F10-live-kde disc without any problem); I've tried all the passwords I can think of & it just keeps coming back to the login screen. Anyone got any thoughts as to what might have happened & how I might get past this %&&(%$$ login?? Many thanks (again) for any help Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help to sort a multimedia system??? (still) [FIXED]
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:14:12 +0200 From: Kevin Kofler Subject: Re: Help to sort a multimedia system??? (still) To: fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii DB wrote: > Hi Kevin, did that, restarted, switched off overnight & restarted this > morning. Still getting the Phonon startup message that "SIS SI7012 with > CMI9738 doesn't work. Reverting to Pulse" Then somehow your device preferences got messed up. Go to System Settings and make sure that PulseAudio is the default (i.e. listed first). (Note that there are entries for both "PulseAudio" and "PulseAudio sound server". The first is the native PulseAudio xine-lib backend, the second is the ALSA PulseAudio plugin. Both should work, but the native one (the one saying just "PulseAudio") is preferred.) Kevin Kofler Thanks Kevin, that seems to have been the last piece of the jigsaw... at least until we upgrade to F11! From this experience, it seems that there are many places wheere we need to arrange & select options for Multimedia - would ther be a way to hit them all via one script or small app? Tim: thanks for your clarification of sinks & sources, it seems that the more we try to be precise with our terminology, the more worms crawl into the can! Thanks again for getting my sounds & pictures working! Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help to sort a multimedia system??? (still)
Message: 7 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 05:45:26 +0200 From: Kevin Kofler Subject: Re: Help to sort a multimedia system??? (still) To: fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii DB wrote: > $ rpm -qa phonon\* > phonon-devel-4.3.1-2.fc10.i386 > phonon-backend-xine-4.3.1-2.fc10.i386 > phonon-4.3.1-2.fc10.i386 > phonon-backend-gstreamer-4.3.1-2.fc10.i386 Try rpm -e phonon-backend-gstreamer to see if that helps. It should be picking up xine by default already, but it's best to be sure. Unfortunately, Phonon's GStreamer backend is not as reliable as the xine-lib one. Hi Kevin, did that, restarted, switched off overnight & restarted this morning. Still getting the Phonon startup message that "SIS SI7012 with CMI9738 doesn't work. Reverting to Pulse" Rechecked Phonon as below: [d...@fedora-blue ~]$ rpm -qa phonon\* phonon-devel-4.3.1-2.fc10.i386 phonon-backend-xine-4.3.1-2.fc10.i386 phonon-4.3.1-2.fc10.i386 [ I don't think it's causing any harm..., but, with so many "competing" processes, one wonders if it really means anything Thanks again Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help to sort a multimedia system??? (still)
Message: 7 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 05:45:26 +0200 From: Kevin Kofler Subject: Re: Help to sort a multimedia system??? (still) To: fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii DB wrote: > $ rpm -qa phonon\* > phonon-devel-4.3.1-2.fc10.i386 > phonon-backend-xine-4.3.1-2.fc10.i386 > phonon-4.3.1-2.fc10.i386 > phonon-backend-gstreamer-4.3.1-2.fc10.i386 Try rpm -e phonon-backend-gstreamer to see if that helps. It should be picking up xine by default already, but it's best to be sure. Unfortunately, Phonon's GStreamer backend is not as reliable as the xine-lib one. OK done that! > At the moment, the audio_cd.device box contans /dev/cdrom. Is it > possible to somehow list cdrom & cdrom1? No, you'll have to change it when you want to use the other drive. >> You need libdvdcss from Livna. >> > Is this - or something like it - included in rpmfusion free or nonfree? No. There have been long flamebaits over including libdvdcss in RPM Fusion or not (due to legal issues). At the end it was decided to keep it in the old Livna repository. http://rpm.livna.org/ Thanks, done that! > Thanks, Kevin. If I remember correctly, in some replies to other > questions about sound devices, you wrote something about "Alsa being on > top of PA" (or vice versa!) Well, both are true to some extent. :-) ALSA applications | V PulseAudio ALSA plugin (alsa-plugins-pulseaudio) | V PulseAudio <-- Other applications, using other APIs (PulseAudio native, ESD) | V ALSA hardware device > Question 1 - which way is "front" & "back" ie nearer Hardware or nearer > User? Front = nearer to the user, back = nearer to the hardware. OK<<< so "sink" = front & "source" = back (generally!) > Question 2 - is there a way for naive users (like me!) to find out what > sequence of modules/software/gizmos is actually involved in say, getting > the noise from my CD/DVD/AC97 to the speakers? See the basic diagram above. (The complete diagram is a bit more complex than that though.) And can I from a command line list the current connections? I tried # lsmod|grep snd snd_intel8x0 30620 3 snd_ac97_codec 95268 1 snd_intel8x0 ac97_bus5504 1 snd_ac97_codec snd_seq_dummy 6660 0 snd_seq_oss30364 0 snd_seq_midi_event 9600 1 snd_seq_oss snd_seq48576 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event snd_usb_audio 77696 0 snd_pcm_oss42496 0 snd_mixer_oss 16896 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_usb_lib17536 1 snd_usb_audio snd_rawmidi22528 1 snd_usb_lib snd_pcm65924 4 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_usb_audio,snd_pcm_oss snd_seq_device 10124 4 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi snd_timer 22024 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm snd_hwdep 10500 1 snd_usb_audio snd_page_alloc 11016 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm snd50616 20 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_usb_audio,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_usb_lib,snd_rawmidi,snd_pcm,snd_seq_device,snd_timer,snd_hwdep soundcore 9416 1 snd Sadly, man lsmod only tells me it produces a "nice layout", without telling me how to interpret the columsI assume the first number is its process id,the second one how many modules it either calls (the ones listed) or is called by -- and the ones with "0" in this place are not active/ends of chains? -- and the lower the pid, the earlier the proces/module started? > Question 5 - in the Skype example above, how can I find out what the 4 > SiS variants represent? Different outputs of your sound card, most likely. Normally you should let PulseAudio worry about where to output and set your applications to output to PulseAudio. Just tried selecting "default" for both & get "problems with audio capture" or "problems with audio playback" Selecting "pulse" for both gives unintelligible sound Selecting "si7012(hw:si7102:0) for both, works. The handbook may be outdated. Kevin Kofler Again, many thanks Kevin! The front end of something is the bit that's apparent to you (user interface, etc.), the back-end is what goes on behind the scenes. If you want analogies, think of "shop fronts." Thanks Tim - nice analogy! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help to sort a multimedia system??? (still)
Message: 4 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 03:04:09 +0100 From: Kevin Kofler Subject: Re: Help to sort a multimedia system??? (still) To: fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii DB wrote: On start up, a little black window pops up saying that Phonom can't usesomething - I guess the AC97 onboard sound - reverting to Sis S17012. Phonon should be using PulseAudio. Can you please post the result of the following? rpm -qa phonon\* $ rpm -qa phonon\* phonon-devel-4.3.1-2.fc10.i386 phonon-backend-xine-4.3.1-2.fc10.i386 phonon-4.3.1-2.fc10.i386 phonon-backend-gstreamer-4.3.1-2.fc10.i386 Kaffeine can only see one of the 2 DVD players (Master & Slave on an ide cable) and playback is monstrously distorted.. And I don't appear to be able to set the audio-cd-device in the xine parameters... It's under "media", it's a text box, you have to enter the device name by hand. At the moment, the audio_cd.device box contans /dev/cdrom. Is it possible to somehow list cdrom & cdrom1? I tried to yumex the xine -lib-extras-freeworld & keep getting Missing Dependency: xine-lib(plugin-abi) = 1.24 is needed by package xine-lib-extras-freeworld-1.1.15-4.fc10.i386 (rpmfusion-free) That's really old. Make sure you also have rpmfusion-free-updates enabled, not just rpmfusion-free. Yes, somehow, I had a .repo for free-updates, with enabled=0, used gedit to change that to enabled=1 (since clicking on the enable box in yumex only appeared to fix it for the duration of the yumex run) Tried to play a commercial DVD; Dragon says it doesn't have the right plugins ( in extras-freeworld??). Other players "sometimes they sits & thinks, sometimes they just sits" You need libdvdcss from Livna. Is this - or something like it - included in rpmfusion free or nonfree? Tried to run Skype... Berfore I got the webcam to work, I had sound. Now I have video, I only (most times) only have incoming sound. I'm offered as sound input Default Device SiS S17012 ( hwSI7012,0) SiS S17012 ( hwSI7012,1) SiS S17012 ( plughwSI7012,0) SiS S17012 ( plughwSI7012,1) 2 connections for the mic on the Webcam, HDMI Pulse "Default Device" or "Pulse" (which are really both the same if PulseAudio is working) is what you should choose. (Same for any other ALSA application.) Kevin Kofler Thanks, Kevin. If I remember correctly, in some replies to other questions about sound devices, you wrote something about "Alsa being on top of PA" (or vice versa!) - I also read that various programs are "Front end" or Backend" to something else. Question 1 - which way is "front" & "back" ie nearer Hardware or nearer User? Question 2 - is there a way for naive users (like me!) to find out what sequence of modules/software/gizmos is actually involved in say, getting the noise from my CD/DVD/AC97 to the speakers? Question 3 - does having ALSA mixer. KMix, Pulseaudio Volume control open at the same time cause any problem? Question 4 - when I open PA Manager, what is meant by "Sound Server" (only servers I ever met were either in a restaurant or a big box in a computer room for supplying things to networked computers - & I don't have either here in my workroom!) Question 5 - in the Skype example above, how can I find out what the 4 SiS variants represent? Question 6 - (maybe the wrong place to ask this one...) KMix handbook says I should see 3 tabs, one of which is switches, and "leds" to show which controls are active I only have 1 tab & no leds; normal in KDE4? (KMix Version 3.5 Using KDE 4.2.1 (KDE 4.2.1) from "About KMix") Many many thanks to you & Rex for helping me through this minefield of confusion! (Is there a "for Dummies" guide to all these things somewhere on the Web?) Thanks Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help to sort a multimedia system??? (still)
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:24:54 -0500 From: Rex Dieter Subject: Re: Help to sort a multimedia system??? (still) To: fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii DB wrote: > As I put in the first mail > "I tried to yumex the xine -lib-extras-freeworld & keep getting > Missing Dependency: xine-lib(plugin-abi) = 1.24 is needed by package > xine-lib-extras-freeworld-1.1.15-4.fc10.i386 (rpmfusion-free)", NOTE: repo = rpmfusion-free You should check to see if rpmfusion-free-updates is also enabled (it should be). -- Rex Taaraaah! I had a rpmfusion-free-updates.repo file in /etc, with enabled=0. Edited that to enabled=1 & all is honky-dory. Suddenly, after many tries, Skype works. with both Skype in & out devices set to SI7012(hw:si7012,0) Many, many thanks for your help & patience ;-)) Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help to sort a multimedia system??? (still)
Message: 15 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:01:56 -0500 From: Rex Dieter Subject: Re: Help to sort a multimedia system??? (still) To: fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii DB wrote: > As I put in the first mail > "I tried to yumex the xine -lib-extras-freeworld & keep getting > Missing Dependency: xine-lib(plugin-abi) = 1.24 is needed by package > xine-lib-extras-freeworld-1.1.15-4.fc10.i386 (rpmfusion-free)", > which I've not yet been able to get past. From what I've read in replies > on other topics, I guess I've somehow got to convince yumex that > plugin-abi is present (or make sure that it really isn't, and let > extras-freeworld pull it in as a dependency.. errr how?? shrug, your rpmfusion mirror is out of date? 1.1.16.2 is there, really, http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/updates/10/i386/xine-lib-extras-freeworld-1.1.16.2-1.fc10.i386.rpm -- Rex Thanks again! By going to your link, I've installed the extras-freeworld & can now watch DVDs -- Hoo-Ray!! (Is there a way to "poke" an out-of-date mirror? I'd been getting the "plugin-abi message for at least 3 weeks...) OK now to try & a) beat Skype into submission & b) sort out the connections between PA & the other multimedia apps. Thanks, Rex Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help to sort a multimedia system??? (still)
Message: 2
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 11:16:55 -0500
From: Rex Dieter
Subject: Re: Help to sort a multimedia system??? (still)
To: fedora-list@redhat.com
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DB wrote:
I tried to yumex the xine -lib-extras-freeworld & keep getting
Missing Dependency: xine-lib(plugin-abi) = 1.24 is needed by package
xine-lib-extras-freeworld-1.1.15-4.fc10.i386 (rpmfusion-free)
Thought that maybe removing xine-lib & letting extras pull it in fresh
might help.. but taking off xine-lib wants to take out most of kde... so
didn't do that!!
You certainly should first update to the latest, xine-lib-1.1.16.2 (and
xine-lib-extras-freeworld-1.1.16.2 available from rpmfusion).
Worst case, temporarily remove/uninstall xine-lib-extras-freeworld, if you
have to.
-- Rex
Hi Rex, thanks for the suggestions,
Here is what I currently have installed:
[r...@fedora-blue ~]# rpm -qa --qf "%{vendor} :
%{n}-%{v}-%{r}.%{arch}\\n" | grep xine
RPM Fusion : xine-0.99.5-5.fc10.i386
Fedora Project : xine-lib-devel-1.1.16.2-3.fc10.i386
Fedora Project : xine-lib-pulseaudio-1.1.16.2-3.fc10.i386
Fedora Project : totem-xine-2.24.3-1.fc10.i386
Fedora Project : xine-plugin-1.0.1-4.fc10.i386
Fedora Project : xine-lib-extras-1.1.16.2-3.fc10.i386
Fedora Project : phonon-backend-xine-4.3.1-2.fc10.i386
Fedora Project : xinetd-2.3.14-21.fc10.i386
Fedora Project : xine-lib-1.1.16.2-3.fc10.i386
[r...@fedora-blue ~]#
As I put in the first mail
"I tried to yumex the xine -lib-extras-freeworld & keep getting
Missing Dependency: xine-lib(plugin-abi) = 1.24 is needed by package
xine-lib-extras-freeworld-1.1.15-4.fc10.i386 (rpmfusion-free)",
which I've not yet been able to get past. From what I've read in replies
on other topics, I guess I've somehow got to convince yumex that
plugin-abi is present (or make sure that it really isn't, and let
extras-freeworld pull it in as a dependency.. errr how??
Thanks for your help
Dave
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Re: rythmbox not seeing cdrom
DB wrote: DB wrote: Martín Marqués wrote: 2009/3/2 DB : fedora-list-requ...@redhat.com wrote: Yup, I have the same problem with Amarok - it did play one CD for me last week when I first installed it, but now all it finds is a couple of clips (that I didn't know I'd made) which it calls my local collection. (and identifies them as something totally unrelated to the actual music.) amarok doesn't see the CD either. I sent the following mail to the list: *** Evening All, Since my preupgrade from F9 to F10, it seems I cannot see my CD/DVD players with Dolphin (nor Krusader). Have I killed something else while trying to get video & sound working with Skype? Or has something else been moved to a new package & I've missed it?? I can see, for example, an F9 DVD with dolphin. So it's not a hardware problem, nor a dolphin issue. It isn't even related to KDE or Gnome (the problem persists on both environments). That's odd I've got 2 DVD readers in Master-slave on the same ide cable. If I put a data disk into either, I get the "recently connected devices" window but neither react to a music disc And, like you, I can navigate through the disk. (One disk I tried is from a Linux magazine, & IIRC it should autostart. It doesn't & clicking on the autostart.sh does nothing -- should it). And it appears that I can't right-click on the disks to get a context menu; both right & left click open the device or file from the r"recently connected" window. In "places" right click allows me to eject, release or hide the CD - Maybe we're not seeing the device, only the disc loaded into the device Dave Curiouser & curiouser... Kaffeine sees & plays CDs in the master drive, but not in the slave... Dave I wonder if this has some relevance? *Bug 483518* <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=483518> - KlamAV shows error "KDE MediaManager not running" https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=483518 I started Soundjuicer by accident (didn't even know it was installed, & it can see & use both DVD drives. Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora-list Digest, Vol 61, Issue 49
fedora-list-requ...@redhat.com wrote: 9. Re: World TV on F9 (Dave Feustel) On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 18:57 -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: > > Video is working pretty well for me on f9 now. I have heard about > > people watching tv from all over the world on their computers. How do I > > do that on f9? > > Yea, video forks fine several fedora versions ago, but many tv cards > dont, -not due to fedora but tv in/out drivers lack-. If you mean the > normal video, you can receive pseudo-tv over IP with i.e. Miro. or > many .tv sites. If you mean video from a video-capture card, you can use > some apps, like kdetv or mythtv, but they work like your television: you > need some signal arriving to your computer, an antenna, or cable... > > Greets! I have a BT video card, but I am thinking of video signals delivered directly via internet. It might be necessary to have ntsb, pal and other decoders to properly display the signals. I don't really know how video feeds are transmitted over the internet. So far I have only watched videos from Youtube, Google. But I'd like to get videos from England, Germany and France for starters. Hi Dave, If you get it to work, let me know I tried the "On Demand" from Channel 5 in the UK & FR2 from France & both tell me "You can't watch that, you live in Austria" - most unfriendly. (At least my motorised antenna now lets me watch the 6 Nations on FR2, since they went digital!) I guess one would have to follow the thread on changing one's IP address to something acceptable to the "on demand" service. Cheers Dave B -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re:rythmbox not seeing cdrom
fedora-list-requ...@redhat.com wrote: 3. Re: rythmbox not seeing cdrom (Kevin Kofler) Message: 2 Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 01:55:25 +0100 From: Kevin Kofler Subject: Re:rythmbox not seeing cdrom To: fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii DB wrote: Yup, I have the same problem with Amarok - it did play one CD for me last week when I first installed it, but now all it finds is a couple of clips (that I didn't know I'd made) which it calls my local collection. (and identifies them as something totally unrelated to the actual music.) What version of Amarok? Amarok 2 does not support CDs at this time. Yes, Amarok 2 - which doesn't appear to want to make any noise from Streaming broadcasts, but that is another problem for another day! Kevin Kofler -- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 01:56:22 +0100 From: Kevin Kofler Subject: Re: rythmbox not seeing cdrom To: fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii DB wrote: Curiouser & curiouser... Kaffeine sees & plays CDs in the master drive, but not in the slave... If you use a CD drive other than the default, you have to give Kaffeine its device name in the advanced xine parameters. I've looked in there, but all that is listed is /dev/cdrom. If I look in /dev, there is a cdrom1 device, but putting /dev/cdrom1 into the audio cd box doesn't appear to change anything. Kevin Kofler Thanks, Kevin Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: rythmbox not seeing cdrom
DB wrote: Martín Marqués wrote: 2009/3/2 DB : fedora-list-requ...@redhat.com wrote: Yup, I have the same problem with Amarok - it did play one CD for me last week when I first installed it, but now all it finds is a couple of clips (that I didn't know I'd made) which it calls my local collection. (and identifies them as something totally unrelated to the actual music.) amarok doesn't see the CD either. I sent the following mail to the list: *** Evening All, Since my preupgrade from F9 to F10, it seems I cannot see my CD/DVD players with Dolphin (nor Krusader). Have I killed something else while trying to get video & sound working with Skype? Or has something else been moved to a new package & I've missed it?? I can see, for example, an F9 DVD with dolphin. So it's not a hardware problem, nor a dolphin issue. It isn't even related to KDE or Gnome (the problem persists on both environments). That's odd I've got 2 DVD readers in Master-slave on the same ide cable. If I put a data disk into either, I get the "recently connected devices" window but neither react to a music disc And, like you, I can navigate through the disk. (One disk I tried is from a Linux magazine, & IIRC it should autostart. It doesn't & clicking on the autostart.sh does nothing -- should it). And it appears that I can't right-click on the disks to get a context menu; both right & left click open the device or file from the r"recently connected" window. In "places" right click allows me to eject, release or hide the CD - Maybe we're not seeing the device, only the disc loaded into the device Dave Curiouser & curiouser... Kaffeine sees & plays CDs in the master drive, but not in the slave... Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: rythmbox not seeing cdrom
Martín Marqués wrote: 2009/3/2 DB : fedora-list-requ...@redhat.com wrote: Yup, I have the same problem with Amarok - it did play one CD for me last week when I first installed it, but now all it finds is a couple of clips (that I didn't know I'd made) which it calls my local collection. (and identifies them as something totally unrelated to the actual music.) amarok doesn't see the CD either. I sent the following mail to the list: *** Evening All, Since my preupgrade from F9 to F10, it seems I cannot see my CD/DVD players with Dolphin (nor Krusader). Have I killed something else while trying to get video & sound working with Skype? Or has something else been moved to a new package & I've missed it?? I can see, for example, an F9 DVD with dolphin. So it's not a hardware problem, nor a dolphin issue. It isn't even related to KDE or Gnome (the problem persists on both environments). That's odd I've got 2 DVD readers in Master-slave on the same ide cable. If I put a data disk into either, I get the "recently connected devices" window but neither react to a music disc And, like you, I can navigate through the disk. (One disk I tried is from a Linux magazine, & IIRC it should autostart. It doesn't & clicking on the autostart.sh does nothing -- should it). And it appears that I can't right-click on the disks to get a context menu; both right & left click open the device or file from the r"recently connected" window. In "places" right click allows me to eject, release or hide the CD - Maybe we're not seeing the device, only the disc loaded into the device Dave Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re:rythmbox not seeing cdrom(2)
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9. rythmbox not seeing cdrom (Mart?n Marqu?s)
From: Mart?n Marqu?s
Subject: rythmbox not seeing cdrom
To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using
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A few weeks ago I started experiencing problems with sound (partially
solved) and rythmbox not seeing the cdrom when it goes in.
Am I the only one experiencing this rythmbox-cdrom problem? Havn't
seen any threads on the list with this subject.
Hi Martin,
Yup, I have the same problem with Amarok - it did play one CD for me
last week when I first installed it, but now all it finds is a couple of
clips (that I didn't know I'd made) which it calls my local collection.
(and identifies them as something totally unrelated to the actual music.)
I sent the following mail to the list:
***
Evening All,
Since my preupgrade from F9 to F10, it seems I cannot see my CD/DVD
players with Dolphin (nor Krusader). Have I killed something else while
trying to get video & sound working with Skype? Or has something else
been moved to a new package & I've missed it??
Thanks all
Dave
PS I won't get started on the "joys" of trying to get sounds working..
uname -ar
Linux Fedora-Blue 2.6.27.15-170.2.24.fc10.i686 #1 SMP Wed Feb 11
23:58:12 EST 2009 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
*
Received the following reply from Paul & replied back:
*
Do you mean you can't see the actual device files (/dev/...) or you
can't play the media? If you can't see the files, check if they still
exist ('ls /dev/...' from the command line). If you can't play the
media, you'll need to say how you used to do it. Dolphin doesn't play
media itself, it uses Kaffeine (or VLC, or dragon, or mplayer, or ...)
poc
Hi POC,
Neither Dolphin nor Krusader would list or show an icon of anything
outside "Home" or "Root";
I found autofs had deinstalled during the upgrade so reinstalled that &
my external HDD came back.
Rythmbox one time showed the tracklist, but wouldn't play anything,
alsomixer wuld show lots of controls & freeze with nearly 100% CPU usage;
Pulsaudio didn't seem to do anything, so (following the comments in the
forum) I deleted PA,
but couldn't take out some of the sub utilis of PA without yum wanting
to deinstall everything as nmothing was used by anything else.
So loaded amarok & music plays automatically but the icons in "places"
for the CD/DVD drives are still missing.
The drives show up however in HWLister. /dev shows entries for cdrom &
cdrom1 & cdrw, dvd, dvd1 & dvdrw.
Dave
***
I've just rechecked /dev, and while I have the entries quoted above for
the block devices, there's no folder entry like there is for disks.
It's a RRPITA because I can't even add the devices to "places" in
Dolphin, so I cannot access data discs..
Dave
OK... After sending the message, I went back & did an ls -l on /dev
(rather than just looking at it with Dolphin. Here's what I get:
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2009-03-02 10:55 /dev/cdrom -> sr0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2009-03-02 10:55 /dev/cdrom1 -> sr1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2009-03-02 10:55 /dev/cdrw -> sr0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2009-03-02 10:55 /dev/dvd -> sr0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2009-03-02 10:55 /dev/dvd1 -> sr1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2009-03-02 10:55 /dev/dvdrw ->
sr0
brw-rw+ 1 root disk11, 0 2009-03-02 10:55 /dev/sr0
brw-rw+ 1 root disk11, 1 2009-03-02 10:55 /dev/sr1
I also notice I have a device mapper, although I was sure (!!) I had
turned it off, not having any Raid type devices.
/dev/mapper:
total 0
crw-rw 1 root root 10, 63 2009-03-02 10:55 control
Dave
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Re:rythmbox not seeing cdrom
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9. rythmbox not seeing cdrom (Mart?n Marqu?s)
From: Mart?n Marqu?s
Subject: rythmbox not seeing cdrom
To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using
Fedora."
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
A few weeks ago I started experiencing problems with sound (partially
solved) and rythmbox not seeing the cdrom when it goes in.
Am I the only one experiencing this rythmbox-cdrom problem? Havn't
seen any threads on the list with this subject.
Hi Martin,
Yup, I have the same problem with Amarok - it did play one CD for me
last week when I first installed it, but now all it finds is a couple of
clips (that I didn't know I'd made) which it calls my local collection.
(and identifies them as something totally unrelated to the actual music.)
I sent the following mail to the list:
***
Evening All,
Since my preupgrade from F9 to F10, it seems I cannot see my CD/DVD
players with Dolphin (nor Krusader). Have I killed something else while
trying to get video & sound working with Skype? Or has something else
been moved to a new package & I've missed it??
Thanks all
Dave
PS I won't get started on the "joys" of trying to get sounds working..
uname -ar
Linux Fedora-Blue 2.6.27.15-170.2.24.fc10.i686 #1 SMP Wed Feb 11
23:58:12 EST 2009 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
*
Received the following reply from Paul & replied back:
*
Do you mean you can't see the actual device files (/dev/...) or you
can't play the media? If you can't see the files, check if they still
exist ('ls /dev/...' from the command line). If you can't play the
media, you'll need to say how you used to do it. Dolphin doesn't play
media itself, it uses Kaffeine (or VLC, or dragon, or mplayer, or ...)
poc
Hi POC,
Neither Dolphin nor Krusader would list or show an icon of anything outside "Home" or "Root";
I found autofs had deinstalled during the upgrade so reinstalled that & my external HDD came back.
Rythmbox one time showed the tracklist, but wouldn't play anything, alsomixer wuld show lots of controls & freeze with nearly 100% CPU usage;
Pulsaudio didn't seem to do anything, so (following the comments in the forum) I deleted PA,
but couldn't take out some of the sub utilis of PA without yum wanting to deinstall everything as nmothing was used by anything else.
So loaded amarok & music plays automatically but the icons in "places" for the CD/DVD drives are still missing.
The drives show up however in HWLister. /dev shows entries for cdrom & cdrom1 & cdrw, dvd, dvd1 & dvdrw.
Dave
***
I've just rechecked /dev, and while I have the entries quoted above for
the block devices, there's no folder entry like there is for disks.
It's a RRPITA because I can't even add the devices to "places" in
Dolphin, so I cannot access data discs..
Dave
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On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 22:49 +0100, DB wrote:
> Evening All,
>
> Since my preupgrade from F9 to F10, it seems I cannot see my CD/DVD
> players with Dolphin (nor Krusader). Have I killed something else while
> trying to get viddeo & sound working with Skype? Or has something else
> been moved to a new package & I've missed it??
Do you mean you can't see the actual device files (/dev/...) or you
can't play the media? If you can't see the files, check if they still
exist ('ls /dev/...' from the command line). If you can't play the
media, you'll need to say how you used to do it. Dolphin doesn't play
media itself, it uses Kaffeine (or VLC, or dragon, or mplayer, or ...)
poc
Hi POC,
Neither Dolphin nor Krusader would list or show an icon of anything outside "Home" or "Root"; I found autofs had
deinstalled during the upgrade so reinstalled that & my external HDD came back. Rythmbox one time showed the tracklist, but
wouldn't play anything, alsomixer wuld show lots of controls & freeze with nearly 100% CPU usage; Pulsaudio didn't seem to do
anything, so (following the comments in the forum) I deleted PA, but couldn't take out some of the sub utilis of PA without yum
wanting to deinstall everything as nmothing was used by anything else. So loaded amarok & music plays automatically but the
icons in "places" for the CD/DVD drives are still missing. The drives show up however in HWLister. /dev shows entries for
cdrom & cdrom1 & cdrw, dvd, dvd1 & dvdrw.
Dave
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Dolphin doesn't see CD/DVD
Evening All, Since my preupgrade from F9 to F10, it seems I cannot see my CD/DVD players with Dolphin (nor Krusader). Have I killed something else while trying to get viddeo & sound working with Skype? Or has something else been moved to a new package & I've missed it?? Thanks all Dave PS I won't get started on the "joys" of trying to get sounds working.. uname -ar Linux Fedora-Blue 2.6.27.15-170.2.24.fc10.i686 #1 SMP Wed Feb 11 23:58:12 EST 2009 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Upgraded to F10, (& Kjot disappeared)
fedora-list-requ...@redhat.com wrote: 13. Re: Upgraded to F10, (& Kjot disappeared) (Rex Dieter) 14. Re: How to delete Nautilus bookmarks? (Tim) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:56:41 -0600 From: Rex Dieter Subject: Re: Upgraded to F10, (& Kjot disappeared) To: fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii DB wrote: > So I now seem to have a working F10 system, so far, I've not discovered > anything major to moan about. However, I had just started using Kjot > under F9, which seemed to be a useful gubbins. and now in F10 it > seems to have vanished. Anyone know where kjot might be hidden (or how > I can get the old version back into service)?? kjot packaging moved from kdeutils in F-9 to kdepim in F-10. (an upstream change than happen in kde-4.0 => kde-4.1 transition). -- Rex Thanks Rex, that brings it all back again! But what a MASSIVE list of dependency checks Cheers Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Upgraded to F10, (& Kjot disappeared)
Hi All, Well, I bit the bullet & used preupgrade to move my F9 to F10. The only "major" disappointment was that I had to start making space in various areas - which are separate partitions on my box - well into the process. IMHO, it would have been "nice" if preupgrade could have given a warning before starting that it would need big spaces in certain areas. According to the blurb, using preupgrade would mean that my system remained usable during the upgrade, but in my case - probably because I didn't make enough space available in /boot - it went through an install cycle of some 450 packages, followed by an update cycle of some 800 packages some 3 hours worth of very unusable system (at least I could read a book while it was worgling away ;-) . So I now seem to have a working F10 system, so far, I've not discovered anything major to moan about. However, I had just started using Kjot under F9, which seemed to be a useful gubbins. and now in F10 it seems to have vanished. Anyone know where kjot might be hidden (or how I can get the old version back into service)?? Thanks all Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What's on my system...
DB wrote:
Hi all (today is my day for getting several ideas off my chest)
Having used "s, you know what" for many years, with its
"add/remove programs" which tells when I last used a program; and its
subset "add/remove windoze elements", I'm wondering how I can do the
same in FC9.
Recently, one of the threads here showed the yum --installed & yum
extras, which I tried. a) I couldn't see any sort of "last used"
indicator (or even better a "never used" indicator) b) the things I
hand-install, like the driver for my (still not working) Creative
Webcam or my Reiner cyberjack aren't (don't appear to be) listed.
Since I want to migrate toward FC10, I'd like to find me a list of the
things which I use, so as to have a more targeted installation,
without all the bells, whistles, pots & pans that "someone" has
decided I ought to have (and not to forget one of those essential "it
only works if." thingies). It'd also be "very nice" if it were
possible to "reverse engineer" the installations I've made so as to
produce my own installation script. And... how can I tell if a
package is "mission critical" to the life of Fedora??
On a lighter note, on the names of users, following on from "Mad
Hatters", would the "Rant" specialists become "Red Queen" ("Off with
her head"), and all the quiet users be "Dormouse" & get pushed back
into the Teapot?? :-))
Thanks for any thoughts
Dave in freezing Austria (currently -5C)
Thanks, Tim, Carroll, POC for your hints & comments! Let's see how
much dark-brown-and-sticky I get into when I try my move to F10 -- last
time, I got so many "don't do it" messages when I went to preupgrade, I
wimped out..
Dave
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Re: Differences between KDE & Gnome
Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 16 February 2009 13:50:56 DB wrote: Hi all, As a (self-declared) veteran of 8 months using Fedora 9, I'm wondering what is the "technical" distinction between KDE & Gnome? When I first installed F9, Gnome was the default, so I took it, used it, & was "acceptably happy" with it. Then a month or so ago, following a response to the thread about HTML editors, I installed Quanta, discovered it needed KDE "things" to work properly, so installed KDE & have been "acceptably happy" using it ever since (& enormous "Thanks" to whoever suggested Quanta - a super-magic app!). I like it, too :-) Now, I'm wondering--do I "need" to have both KDE & Gnome installed? Are there "things" that only work (properly) in one and not in the other? If you only have one of them installed you can still run apps from the other, but installing those apps will pull in all the dependencies, so you probably will end up with at least half of the other installed anyway :-) If you don't have a disk space problem, just leave them. Having both does not use twice the resources. Things are only used when necessary. (apart from the bouncy doo-dads which I assume are a KDE TM). If I keep both installed, are all the updates done in one automatically available to the other? Not sure what you mean there, but 'yum update' will keep everything tidy. Are hand-installed programs equally available? If you mean the ability to install single applications, there are just different sets of apps, but as I said before, all are accessible to you. I use the KDE desktop, but there are a few gnome apps that I wouldn't be without. And.. what the heck is the definition of "widget", "plasma" & "plasmoid" -- all the doo-dads around my KDE screen appear to do the same things as icons & buttons?? Very similar :-) Full answer on http://userbase.kde.org/Glossary Thanks for your comment (** thanks to all the people who set up all the toys & keep them working when I break them **) Hehehe - we all break things from time to time Anne Thanks, Anne! All strength to you and your colleagues in "KDE World"! Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
What's on my system...
Hi all (today is my day for getting several ideas off my chest)
Having used "s, you know what" for many years, with its "add/remove
programs" which tells when I last used a program; and its subset
"add/remove windoze elements", I'm wondering how I can do the same in FC9.
Recently, one of the threads here showed the yum --installed & yum
extras, which I tried. a) I couldn't see any sort of "last used"
indicator (or even better a "never used" indicator) b) the things I
hand-install, like the driver for my (still not working) Creative Webcam
or my Reiner cyberjack aren't (don't appear to be) listed.
Since I want to migrate toward FC10, I'd like to find me a list of the
things which I use, so as to have a more targeted installation, without
all the bells, whistles, pots & pans that "someone" has decided I ought
to have (and not to forget one of those essential "it only works
if." thingies). It'd also be "very nice" if it were possible to
"reverse engineer" the installations I've made so as to produce my own
installation script. And... how can I tell if a package is "mission
critical" to the life of Fedora??
On a lighter note, on the names of users, following on from "Mad
Hatters", would the "Rant" specialists become "Red Queen" ("Off with her
head"), and all the quiet users be "Dormouse" & get pushed back into the
Teapot?? :-))
Thanks for any thoughts
Dave in freezing Austria (currently -5C)
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Differences between KDE & Gnome
Hi all, As a (self-declared) veteran of 8 months using Fedora 9, I'm wondering what is the "technical" distinction between KDE & Gnome? When I first installed F9, Gnome was the default, so I took it, used it, & was "acceptably happy" with it. Then a month or so ago, following a response to the thread about HTML editors, I installed Quanta, discovered it needed KDE "things" to work properly, so installed KDE & have been "acceptably happy" using it ever since (& enormous "Thanks" to whoever suggested Quanta - a super-magic app!). Now, I'm wondering--do I "need" to have both KDE & Gnome installed? Are there "things" that only work (properly) in one and not in the other? (apart from the bouncy doo-dads which I assume are a KDE TM). If I keep both installed, are all the updates done in one automatically available to the other? Are hand-installed programs equally available? And.. what the heck is the definition of "widget", "plasma" & "plasmoid" -- all the doo-dads around my KDE screen appear to do the same things as icons & buttons?? Thanks for your comment (** thanks to all the people who set up all the toys & keep them working when I break them **) Dave* * -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: PackageKit has eaten my system (again!) THANKS
DB wrote: Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:53:04 +0100 Thanks to all who tried to help me out of my predicament! 2 weeks of flu + family visiting meant I didn't get a chance to follows Anne's off-list suggestion to reinstall till last night, but I now seem to be more or less back to square one! Scary thought - the first set of updates that were thrown up after the install were the same ones that crashed me before. This time they worked!! Again, thanks all for your time & patience, Happy New 2009, lots of luck & happiness Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: PackageKit has eaten my system (again!)
Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:53:04 +0100 DB wrote: Message: 9 Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:03:48 -0700 From: Kevin Fenzi Subject: Re: PackageKit has eaten my system (again!) To: fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: <20081221170348.42475...@ohm.scrye.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:13:46 + Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 21 December 2008 22:00:16 DB wrote: [d...@localhost ~]$ rpm -qi pygpgme package pygpgme is not installed [d...@localhost ~]$ rpm -qi python-iniparse package python-iniparse is not installed [d...@localhost ~]$ Is there a way to tell rpm to go off and search a specific repo? no. Rpm only acts on specific packages. If they are not installed 'yum install packagename' should pull them in - and you can list both packages in one command. Except that he is trying to install yum. ;) I tried rpm --whatprovides yum but that evidently is not acceptable! It's not apparent from the help file, but I think the command is 'rpm -q whatprovides ' but I don't think that would have helped in this situation. I'd try yum install pygpgme python-iniparse yum No yum installed there for him. ;) Dave: Try the following: rpm -ivh http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/updates/9/i386.newkey//yum-3.2.20-5.fc9.noarch.rpm http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/releases/9/Everything/i386/os//Packages/pygpgme-0.1-8.fc9.i386.rpm http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/releases/9/Everything/i386/os//Packages/python-iniparse-0.2.3-3.fc9.noarch.rpm All on one big long line. ;) Not sure if there are further deps, but hopefully that will get yum installed for you. kevin Thanks Kevin.. In the order you listed the rpms, the yum failed needing pygpgme So I tried installing them t'other way around: [r...@localhost ~]# rpm -ivh http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/releases/9/Everything/i386/os//Packages/pygpgme-0.1-8.fc9.i386.rpm http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/releases/9/Everything/i386/os//Packages/python-iniparse-0.2.3-3.fc9.noarch.rpm http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/updates/9/i386.newkey//yum-3.2.20-5.fc9.noarch.rpm Retrieving http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/releases/9/Everything/i386/os//Packages/pygpgme-0.1-8.fc9.i386.rpm Retrieving http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/releases/9/Everything/i386/os//Packages/python-iniparse-0.2.3-3.fc9.noarch.rpm Retrieving http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/updates/9/i386.newkey//yum-3.2.20-5.fc9.noarch.rpm error: Failed dependencies: libgpgme.so.11 is needed by pygpgme-0.1-8.fc9.i386 libgpgme.so.11(GPGME_1.0) is needed by pygpgme-0.1-8.fc9.i386 [r...@localhost ~]# Any idea where the so.11 files might be?? (or how with my limited knowledge of the remnants of my system, I should go about finding the deps??)) You also need: http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/releases/9/Everything/i386/os//Packages/gpgme-1.1.6-3.fc9.i386.rpm it sounds like. Thanks again Dave kevin Thanks again Kevin It seems that each time you give me another lead, rpm wants another 2 or 3 files.. It'd be alright if I could find a readable list of what is required to install an rpm! Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: PackageKit has eaten my system (again!)
Message: 9 Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:03:48 -0700 From: Kevin Fenzi Subject: Re: PackageKit has eaten my system (again!) To: fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: <20081221170348.42475...@ohm.scrye.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:13:46 + Anne Wilson wrote: > On Sunday 21 December 2008 22:00:16 DB wrote: > > > > [d...@localhost ~]$ rpm -qi pygpgme > > package pygpgme is not installed > > [d...@localhost ~]$ rpm -qi python-iniparse > > package python-iniparse is not installed > > [d...@localhost ~]$ > > > > Is there a way to tell rpm to go off and search a specific repo? no. Rpm only acts on specific packages. > If they are not installed 'yum install packagename' should pull them > in - and you can list both packages in one command. Except that he is trying to install yum. ;) > > I > > tried rpm --whatprovides yum but that evidently is not acceptable! > > It's not apparent from the help file, but I think the command is 'rpm > -q whatprovides ' but I don't think that would have helped in > this situation. I'd try > > yum install pygpgme python-iniparse yum No yum installed there for him. ;) Dave: Try the following: rpm -ivh http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/updates/9/i386.newkey//yum-3.2.20-5.fc9.noarch.rpm http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/releases/9/Everything/i386/os//Packages/pygpgme-0.1-8.fc9.i386.rpm http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/releases/9/Everything/i386/os//Packages/python-iniparse-0.2.3-3.fc9.noarch.rpm All on one big long line. ;) Not sure if there are further deps, but hopefully that will get yum installed for you. kevin Thanks Kevin.. In the order you listed the rpms, the yum failed needing pygpgme So I tried installing them t'other way around: [r...@localhost ~]# rpm -ivh http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/releases/9/Everything/i386/os//Packages/pygpgme-0.1-8.fc9.i386.rpm http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/releases/9/Everything/i386/os//Packages/python-iniparse-0.2.3-3.fc9.noarch.rpm http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/updates/9/i386.newkey//yum-3.2.20-5.fc9.noarch.rpm Retrieving http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/releases/9/Everything/i386/os//Packages/pygpgme-0.1-8.fc9.i386.rpm Retrieving http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/releases/9/Everything/i386/os//Packages/python-iniparse-0.2.3-3.fc9.noarch.rpm Retrieving http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/updates/9/i386.newkey//yum-3.2.20-5.fc9.noarch.rpm error: Failed dependencies: libgpgme.so.11 is needed by pygpgme-0.1-8.fc9.i386 libgpgme.so.11(GPGME_1.0) is needed by pygpgme-0.1-8.fc9.i386 [r...@localhost ~]# Any idea where the so.11 files might be?? (or how with my limited knowledge of the remnants of my system, I should go about finding the deps??)) Thanks again Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: PackageKit has eaten my system (again!)
Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 21 December 2008 22:00:16 DB wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 21 December 2008 21:21:01 DB wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 21 December 2008 20:21:10 DB wrote: error: Failed dependencies: pygpgme is needed by yum-3.2.20-5.fc9.noarch python-iniparse is needed by yum-3.2.20-5.fc9.noarch So what happened when you installed these? Anne Hi Anne, any suggestions on an address from which to attempt to install them with RPM??? No, but 'rpm -qi pygpgme' and 'rpm -qi python-iniparse' both tell me that they were provided by Fedora Project. I can only suggest that you might have a mirror problem? python-iniparse was updated on the 12th December, so is it possible that some glitch during that upgrade caused your problem? Dirty electricity sounds a far more likely culprit than packagekit. Anne My results: [d...@localhost ~]$ rpm -qi pygpgme package pygpgme is not installed [d...@localhost ~]$ rpm -qi python-iniparse package python-iniparse is not installed [d...@localhost ~]$ Is there a way to tell rpm to go off and search a specific repo? If they are not installed 'yum install packagename' should pull them in - and you can list both packages in one command. I tried rpm --whatprovides yum but that evidently is not acceptable! It's not apparent from the help file, but I think the command is 'rpm -q whatprovides ' but I don't think that would have helped in this situation. I'd try yum install pygpgme python-iniparse yum Ahhh, "now there's the rub" according to Shakespeare -- yum got scoffed as well! All I appear to have working in the package management department is rpm (The joys of trying to learn a new system! 20 years ago, I had great battles with the hard copy manuals...) Strange things go wrong when you are first learning, and sometimes it's hard to know why, but you should soon settle to it, once you get this sorted out. Anne Again, many thanks for your help Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: PackageKit has eaten my system (again!)
Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 21 December 2008 21:21:01 DB wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 21 December 2008 20:21:10 DB wrote: error: Failed dependencies: pygpgme is needed by yum-3.2.20-5.fc9.noarch python-iniparse is needed by yum-3.2.20-5.fc9.noarch So what happened when you installed these? Anne Hi Anne, any suggestions on an address from which to attempt to install them with RPM??? No, but 'rpm -qi pygpgme' and 'rpm -qi python-iniparse' both tell me that they were provided by Fedora Project. I can only suggest that you might have a mirror problem? python-iniparse was updated on the 12th December, so is it possible that some glitch during that upgrade caused your problem? Dirty electricity sounds a far more likely culprit than packagekit. Anne My results: [d...@localhost ~]$ rpm -qi pygpgme package pygpgme is not installed [d...@localhost ~]$ rpm -qi python-iniparse package python-iniparse is not installed [d...@localhost ~]$ Is there a way to tell rpm to go off and search a specific repo? I tried rpm --whatprovides yum but that evidently is not acceptable! (The joys of trying to learn a new system! 20 years ago, I had great battles with the hard copy manuals...) Thanks for your help Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: PackageKit has eaten my system (again!)
Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 21 December 2008 20:21:10 DB wrote: error: Failed dependencies: pygpgme is needed by yum-3.2.20-5.fc9.noarch python-iniparse is needed by yum-3.2.20-5.fc9.noarch So what happened when you installed these? Anne Hi Anne, any suggestions on an address from which to attempt to install them with RPM??? Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: PackageKit has eaten my system (again!)
Message: 7 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:18:22 -0700 From: Kevin Fenzi Subject: Re: PackageKit has eaten my system (again!) On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:36:30 +0100 DB wrote: Hi Kevin, thanks for the speedy reply... My responses are in-line: > Evening all, > > I just did the latest batch of F9 PackageKit updates - with > disastrous effect! (See attached list) Quite strange. How did you apply those updates? PackageKit? yum? With what command? Is there anything non standard in your /etc/yum.conf ? Can you attach it, or the /etc/yum.conf.rpmsave file? There was a PackageKit "Bug" icon on my Gnome top panel.. I clicked it, it said "update system now?", I clicked "yes" & the rest, as they say, is history! I don't appear to have either of the files you mention! All that remains of yum is : [d...@localhost pluginconf.d]$ dir fastestmirror.conf.rpmsave presto.conf.rpmsave fedorakmod.conf.rpmsave refresh-packagekit.conf.rpmsave kernel-module.conf.rpmsave remove-with-leaves.conf.rpmsave Just did a nautilus search on yum & got the following: /etc/yum /usr/share/logwatch/scripts/logfiles/yum /var/cache/yum /var/lib/yum /etc/yum.repos.d /usr/share/doc/yum-metadata-parser-1.1.2 /usr/lib/yum-plugins /tmp/last-queue.yumex /usr/share/logwatch/scripts/services/yum /var/cache/man/cat8/yum.8.bz2 /usr/share/logwatch/default.conf/logfiles/yum.conf /usr/share/logwatch/default.conf/services/yum.conf /var/log/yum.log /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum_metadata_parser-1.1.2-py2.5.egg-info Content of yum.repos.d: /etc/yum.repos.d/adobe-linux-i386.repo /etc/yum.repos.d/adobe-linux-i386.repo~ /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora.repo /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-rawhide.repo /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates-newkey.repo /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates-newkey.repo~ /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates-testing.repo /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates-testing-newkey.repo /etc/yum.repos.d/google.repo /etc/yum.repos.d/livna.repo /etc/yum.repos.d/rpmfusion-free.repo /etc/yum.repos.d/rpmfusion-free-rawhide.repo /etc/yum.repos.d/rpmfusion-free-updates.repo /etc/yum.repos.d/rpmfusion-free-updates-testing.repo /etc/yum.repos.d/rpmfusion-nonfree.repo /etc/yum.repos.d/rpmfusion-nonfree-rawhide.repo /etc/yum.repos.d/rpmfusion-nonfree-updates.repo /etc/yum.repos.d/rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-testing.repo /etc/yum.repos.d/skype.repo I'm a bit mystified by the rawhide & testing repos in that list, as I have never (knowingly) installed or activated them... > I think (!) RPM is still working but Packagekit & yum amongst (many) You can try (if you have a i386 install): rpm -ivh http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/updates/9/i386.newkey//yum-3.2.20-5.fc9.noarch.rpm [r...@localhost ~]# rpm -ivh http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/updates/9/i386.newkey//yum-3.2.20-5.fc9.noarch.rpm Retrieving http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/updates/9/i386.newkey//yum-3.2.20-5.fc9.noarch.rpm error: Failed dependencies: pygpgme is needed by yum-3.2.20-5.fc9.noarch python-iniparse is needed by yum-3.2.20-5.fc9.noarch [r...@localhost ~]# Seems like yum is more an "u"! And that should hopefully get you yum back. Then you should be able to 'yum install' all the other items you are missing. I would sure like to know how and why it removed packages however. > Thanks > > Dave kevin Many thanks Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: PackageKit has eaten my system (again!)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 10:12:37 + From: Richard Hughes Subject: Re: PackageKit has eaten my system (again!) To: freddog...@yahoo.co.uk, "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." Message-ID: <1229854357.3382.6.ca...@hughsie-work.lan> Content-Type: text/plain On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 22:36 +0100, DB wrote: > I just did the latest batch of F9 PackageKit updates - with disastrous > effect! (See attached list) I don't see how applying the updates removed yum. Did you try removing yum manually? Richard. Hi Richard, nope, as in my reply to Kevin, I clicked on the "Bug" icon from PackageKit in the Gnome panel, clicked on "update system" and whoosh, there was everything, gone! Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
PackageKit has eaten my system (again!)
Evening all, I just did the latest batch of F9 PackageKit updates - with disastrous effect! (See attached list) I think (!) RPM is still working but Packagekit & yum amongst (many) others have gone. I've tried to re enable the rpmfusion reps & rpm tells me that the latest ones are installed: [r...@localhost ~]# su -c 'rpm -Uvh http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noarch.rpm http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-stable.noarch.rpm' Retrieving http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noarch.rpm Retrieving http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-stable.noarch.rpm Preparing...### [100%] package rpmfusion-free-release-9-12.noarch (which is newer than rpmfusion-free-release-8-6.noarch) is already installed package rpmfusion-nonfree-release-9-12.noarch (which is newer than rpmfusion-nonfree-release-8-6.noarch) is already installed [r...@localhost ~]# Any suggestions as to the best way to recover the packages PK scoffed - especially yum and/or PackageKit? I did look at trying a 'rescue' or 'install/upgrade' from the install CD, but I'm totally unsure how to go about getting the "missing links" back into my system. Any help gratefully received! (And this time I promise to change the title of any replies away from the Digest No & date!!) Thanks Dave Dec 20 17:56:47 localhost yum: Updated: freetype-2.3.5-7.fc9.i386 Dec 20 17:56:48 localhost yum: Updated: 1:dbus-libs-1.2.4-2.fc9.i386 Dec 20 17:56:53 localhost yum: Updated: 1:dbus-1.2.4-2.fc9.i386 Dec 20 17:56:54 localhost yum: Updated: 1:dbus-x11-1.2.4-2.fc9.i386 Dec 20 17:56:54 localhost yum: Erased: mathml-fonts Dec 20 17:56:57 localhost yum: Erased: PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin Dec 20 17:57:00 localhost yum: Erased: goffice04 Dec 20 17:57:07 localhost yum: Erased: abiword Dec 20 17:57:21 localhost yum: Erased: PackageKit-udev-helper Dec 20 17:57:21 localhost udevd[485]: lookup_group: specified group 'cyberjack' unknown Dec 20 17:57:21 localhost yum: Erased: aiksaurus Dec 20 17:57:24 localhost yum: Erased: system-config-kickstart Dec 20 17:57:39 localhost yum: Erased: anaconda Dec 20 17:57:44 localhost yum: Erased: python-iniparse Dec 20 17:57:44 localhost yum: Erased: fribidi Dec 20 17:57:45 localhost yum: Erased: pinentry Dec 20 17:57:46 localhost yum: Erased: preupgrade Dec 20 17:57:47 localhost yum: Erased: link-grammar Dec 20 17:57:48 localhost yum: Erased: pth Dec 20 17:57:50 localhost yum: Erased: yum Dec 20 17:57:50 localhost yum: Erased: yum-fastestmirror Dec 20 17:57:51 localhost yum: Erased: gpgme Dec 20 17:58:52 localhost gconfd (Dave-2204): Exiting Dec 20 17:59:58 localhost yum: Erased: gnome-packagekit Dec 20 18:00:27 localhost yum: Erased: yum-utils Dec 20 18:00:27 localhost yum: Erased: PackageKit-yum Dec 20 18:00:30 localhost yum: Erased: system-config-language Dec 20 18:00:42 localhost yum: Erased: PackageKit Dec 20 18:00:57 localhost yum: Erased: yum-remove-with-leaves Dec 20 18:00:59 localhost yum: Erased: gtkmathview Dec 20 18:01:03 localhost yum: Erased: wv Dec 20 18:01:07 localhost yum: Erased: createrepo Dec 20 18:01:08 localhost yum: Erased: anaconda-yum-plugins Dec 20 18:01:08 localhost yum: Erased: yum-presto Dec 20 18:01:09 localhost yum: Erased: python-sqlite2 Dec 20 18:01:09 localhost yum: Erased: PackageKit-yum-plugin Dec 20 18:01:11 localhost yum: Erased: gnupg2 Dec 20 18:01:12 localhost yum: Erased: aiksaurus-gtk Dec 20 18:01:14 localhost yum: Erased: ots-libs Dec 20 18:01:16 localhost yum: Erased: yumex Dec 20 18:01:17 localhost yum: Erased: libksba Dec 20 18:01:17 localhost yum: Erased: yum-fedorakmod Dec 20 18:01:17 localhost yum: Erased: yum-kernel-module Dec 20 18:01:18 localhost yum: Erased: loudmouth Dec 20 18:01:19 localhost yum: Erased: PackageKit-glib Dec 20 18:01:19 localhost yum: Erased: unique Dec 20 18:01:21 localhost yum: Erased: dirmngr Dec 20 18:01:23 localhost yum: Erased: pygpgme -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Bulk] fedora-list Digest, Vol 57, Issue 191
Message: 9 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:27:16 -0600 From: "Mikkel L. Ellertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: USB boot on a Toshiba notebook To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" DB wrote: > Evening All, > > I have a Toshiba Equium A60-692 and would like to try F10 without > destroying Mr Gates's "image" on the HD. I've run the Live CD - very > impressive - but would like to try say setting up an F10 on an external > USB-HD or a modifiable USB stick. Sad thing is... Toshiba-san decided > that his bios will only accept HD, CD, or USB-FDD as boot > possibilities. Does anyone have an idea how I can fiddle the stick or > external HD to make it look like a USB-FDD > > Thanks for any ideas! > > Dave > It may be just funny BIOS labeling. Try creating a bootable USB device, and see if your system will boot from it. Mikkel -- Hi Mikkel, Thanks for the idea... but it doesn't appear to work. On my Toshiba, I select "boot from FDD" & the system comes up in XP - from the HDD. On my desktop, I can select either USB HDD or USB FDD, it worgles about a bit & comes up with Fedora 9 from the hard drive. My USB stick is 2 GB, & I used the Livecd-to-USB program from the Fed10 page. According to Gparted, the stick is formatted Fat32 & flagged as Boot. And only has the 2 live cd folders on it. Is it possible that the bios chokes on the size of the partition?? Cheers Dave -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
USB boot on a Toshiba notebook
Evening All, I have a Toshiba Equium A60-692 and would like to try F10 without destroying Mr Gates's "image" on the HD. I've run the Live CD - very impressive - but would like to try say setting up an F10 on an external USB-HD or a modifiable USB stick. Sad thing is... Toshiba-san decided that his bios will only accept HD, CD, or USB-FDD as boot possibilities. Does anyone have an idea how I can fiddle the stick or external HD to make it look like a USB-FDD Thanks for any ideas! Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Dependency Champion
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 10 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:01:41 -0430 From: "Patrick O'Callaghan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: fedora-list Digest, Vol 57, Issue 47 Dependency Champion To: fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 16:48 +0100, DB wrote: > Having been bitten several times by Yum's ideas of "what depends on > what", I agree with Henk. If I have 2 (as far as I can see & > understand) independent, stand-aloneable programs eg Cups & Firefox, > it ought to be possible for me to remove either without automatically > taking out the other - no, I've never even thought of the work that > must go into something like that As Michael pointed out, this has absolutely nothing to do with Yum. The packages were specified with certain dependencies and Yum is simply following the spec. I'm sure you're not suggesting that Yum should examine the packages and determine if X *really* depends on Y ... BTW, if possible don't use Yahoo to reply. Its idea of message threading (not to mention quoting) seems to be completely broken. poc Hi POC, OK... if Yum is a "dumb" servant, then the definers of dependencies maybe should look into how things are listed - IM*V*HO. Surely something **optional* *that I install after the initial set-up cannot become a dependency of something which is/was supposed to work without the (unrelated) optional bit Or as Yumex so kindly lists all wot it's going to kill off, could there not be a way of deselecting those elements that are "obviously" wrong?? (Thanks for the hint on the reply -- I use Thunderbird as my mail manager & didn't do a very good job on cutting out the bits of the Digest I didn't want to quote - mea maxima culpa, not Yahoo's fault this time!) TTFN Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora-list Digest, Vol 57, Issue 47 Dependency Champion
Message: 11 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:21:16 +0100 From: Henk Breimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: dependency champion? To: fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:00:02 +0100 Michael Schwendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:03:20 +0100, Henk Breimer wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ yum remove libthai > > > Remove 266 Package(s) > > > > Is this ok [y/N]: > > no, of course. > > Remaining question: is this the way 'requires' should be used? > -- I fully understand what caused this. My next question would be : "what would happen if such a helper program for every small lanquage were included in the same way?" A better solution is needed for this kind of things. Henk *Hi All, Having been bitten several times by Yum's ideas of "what depends on what", I agree with Henk. If I have 2 (as far as I can see & understand) independent, stand-aloneable programs eg Cups & Firefox, it ought to be possible for me to remove either without automatically taking out the other - no, I've never even thought of the work that must go into something like that Isn't it possible to define some sort of "connector" between user & helper programs, at a different level than say between elements which MUST be present to function?? The other day, I went to yumex to see what was waiting for update... amongst them was bluez (which I thought I'd removed back at installation time); in the thought "don't use it, don't need it, bin it", I cleared the tick on the bluez installed line, clicked process & was rewarded by a suggestion to take out about 90% of my system (again)! I cannot really imagine that "everything" DEPENDS on bluez to function! OK, I'll go downtown & get me soapbox set up on the corner! ;-)) Cheers Dave PS Sorry if this comes out in overdone Bold face - I haven't found out what (un)causes some of the messages in the digests to be greyed out.. ** * -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora-list Digest, Vol 56, Issue 44 _Change in List Headers
> has some special identifier in 'fedora-list' been changed? Maybe the reason is the line wrap which may confuse filtering software. The line reads Reply-To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." I use the List-ID header for filtering :-) --Frank Elsner Maybe that's why some of my digests are shown byThunderbird as [Bulk], others not.. Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Help with Reiner Csrdreader ctapi
Hallo all, I'd like some help with a card reader. I've installed the ctapi via yumex, the reader is recognised when I do lsusb. But when I try to set-up the Trustdesk software (supplied by the Austrian Government), clicking on the "automatic detection", it says there is no ctapi installed. (I tried the manual configuration, but I'm not sure of the name of the actual driver - tried the .so file in the ctapi folder - nor of the port number, so that didn't work either!) Does anyone have any idea what I need to do to make the ctapi visible to trustdesk? Thanks Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Yumex cleaned my system..... How do I contact yum-team?
g wrote: DB wrote: My problem comes when I try to remove "something" (e.g. CUPS) when yumex seems to consider every application i can imagine several reason of wanting to remove a program, cups among them. would yours be that you do not print with mentioned system, or that you want to print with different program? Hi G, neither! I had been trying a) to get my Epson all-in-one to work as per book & b) trying to get a pdf printer installed. Neither seemed(!) to be successful, then the next reboot stalled in CUPS, so I thought remove CUPS & reinstall to see if it had got its knickers in a knot . I'd had a similar experience on my first install of F9, when I thought I could remove all the dial-up options (I use either an Ethernet connection or a wireless from my laptop) & yum quite cheerfully took out Network Manager & left me without a connection To my simple brain(!) it would seem the definition of "dependency" is not clean. I would have thought that a dependency is something which must be present for something to function; whereas a relationship Master-servant would mean that in something like CUPS-Firefox, FF is the Master & CUPS the servant providing a service. One should be able to remove either the Master or the Servant without destroying the other, just making sure the connections are tidied up Cheers Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Yumex cleaned my system..... How do I contact yum-team?
Good evening (at least it is in Austria!) I'm new to Linux & Fedora, last messed with Unix in about '89... I've (eventually) installed F9, with a selection of odds & ends, and found that yumex SEEMED to be a better way of updating & installing than the Gnome Add/Remove Software. My problem comes when I try to remove "something" (e.g. CUPS) when yumex seems to consider every application that uses or links to CUPS as being a dependency. In my naive, trusting way (!), I assumed the 223 listed dependencies were sort of .dlls which CUPS had added to everything that needed to print. Oh, how wrong can you be? 223 deleted apps later & I had a bare bones system - even yumex was gone! & most of Gnome! SO, after a day & half fiddling, I got back to a working system again (95%). I posted the situation on FedoraForum & was advised to bring it to the attention of "Them what looks after Yum", but I can't find out how to contact the yum team. Any suggestions on how one contacts the yum team??? Thanks Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
