Re: Whereis gnome-volume-manager in FC12

2009-12-22 Thread Ian Malone
2009/12/22 Jim :
> On 12/21/2009 09:05 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>>
>> On 12/22/2009 07:11 AM, Jim wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Can some one tell what happen to gnome-volume-manager in FC12 ?
>>>
>>
>> Obsoleted by Nautilus for several releases IIRC.
>>

>
> What does Gnome use as volume control replacement ?
>

Scope for confusion here, do you mean volume control (sound) or volume
management (disk)?

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Re: kernel error message from pulseaudio

2009-12-14 Thread Ian Malone
2009/12/14 Paolo Galtieri :
> I see lots of the following message
>
> Dec 13 23:56:17 localhost pulseaudio[2050]: alsa-mixer.c: Your kernel driver
> is broken: it reports a volume range from 18.00 dB to 18.00 dB which makes
> no sense.
etc.

> Can anyone tell me what the cause of this is and how ti fix it?

As it suggests your kernel driver is reporting incorrect information
to the mixer. It will need to be fixed, the best thing you can do is
file a bug against the kernel in Fedora bugzilla and attach the file
generated by running:

alsa-info.sh --no-upload

And including this dmesg error and a description of any other sound
related problems you have that might be relevant.

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Re: Latest Kernel causes reboot hell

2009-12-09 Thread Ian Malone
2009/12/7 Sam Varshavchik :

>>
>> "The best way to avoid the problem might be to get grub to display the
>> list of installed (assuming that the original F12 kernel worked for you)
>> and select that kernel to boot from. Change the default line
>> in /etc/grub.conf to automate that."

Precisely, though there's no 'might' about it. Updated kernel fails to
boot = boot to previous kernel instead. This is one of the easier
update problems to work around, except that:

>
> It just occured to me that there may be a large number of people who are
> completely unaware of the fact that they can easily boot a previous kernel.
>
> Some time ago, someone decided to set up grub by default to hide its boot
> menu, so that it boots without delay. As such, some people may not even know
> about this option.
>
> This is a perfect example of why hiding some complexity from the end user is
> not always a good idea.
>

Yes, it does look more polished the way it is now, but what used to be
really obvious (especially to someone who has always run dual boot
set-ups), that you can boot an earlier kernel, is now an obscure piece
of knowledge.  Suggestions:
1. The grub boot screen should have an explicit message to this effect.
2. (More difficult to implement), autodetect failures to boot and
explicitly offer the user the alternatives. (A la Windows, not
everything they do is bad.)

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Re: Your experience of Firefox + HTML5

2009-11-27 Thread Ian Malone
2009/11/26 brian :
> On 11/26/2009 12:05 PM, Andrea wrote:
>>
>> On 26/11/09 16:53, brian wrote:
>>>
>>> On 11/26/2009 10:37 AM, Andrea wrote:

 If I pause the video there is no way of starting again.
>>>
>>> Works fine for me.
>>>
>>> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091105
>>> Fedora/3.5.5-1.fc11 Firefox/3.5.5
>>
>> I've got the same exact version, but as soon as I press pause, nothing
>> works anymore...
>
> Maybe you have an extension loaded that's causing a conflict.
>

Having now tried this on two up to date F11 x86_64 systems I've found
that the same pause problem happens there (after cleaning my
~/.mozilla directory and disabling any system-wide plugins that
remained).  This leaves me wondering whether Andrea is using 64bit or
32bit Firefox.

Versions:
firefox-3.5.5-1.fc11.x86_64
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091105
Fedora/3.5.5-1.fc11 Firefox/3.5.5

Think I'll file a bug once I get time...

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Re: Why is there no 32 bit version of firefox available for 64bit F12?

2009-11-27 Thread Ian Malone
2009/11/27 Robert P. J. Day :
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009, Gianluca Sforna wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Paolo Galtieri  wrote:
>> > I'm having strange behaviour with 64bit firefox and the 64bit beta
>> > version of Adobe flash.  So I want to try the 32bit version of
>> > firefox with the 32bit flash from Adobe, but there in 32 bit
>> > version of firefox available through the 64bit repositories.  If I
>> > try the 32bit version of firefox from firefox.com it crashes all
>> > the time running the 32bit Adobe flash.
>>
>> I am not sure this is applicable to all packages without side
>> effects, but usually: yum install package.i686 brings in the 32bit
>> package and all its dependencies.
>
>  i would try *really* hard to debug the 64-bit version before dumping
> the inevitable truckload of 32-bit packages on your 64-bit system.
> currently, i have no i686 packages on my system and firefox seems to
> be working well (except for this *really* annoying scroll issue where
> a single scrollbar click will *zoom* madly down the page way more than
> i want.  g ...)
>

One possibility would be to try the nsplugin wrapped 32 bit flash for
64 bit FF, though not having done it I don't know whether that will
pull in 32bit deps.

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Re: Your experience of Firefox + HTML5

2009-11-26 Thread Ian Malone
2009/11/26 Andrea :
> Hi,
>
> recently Firefox has become capable of playing video directly without plugins.
> It's the big HTML5 +  saga.
>
> I'm running Fedora 11 super up to date and I have to say that this things 
> works a bit but not very well.
>
> Take for instance the home page of firefox and click bottom left
>
> http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/firefox/video/
>
> It's a good example of what does not work.
>
> If I pause the video there is no way of starting again.
>
> And the same for all other HTML5 videos I've seen.
>
> Has anybody tried http://www.youtube.com/html5, this is even worse as it does 
> not work even without
> pressing pause.
>

Not on a Fedora system right now, but the
http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/firefox/video/ example is working for
me on Firefox 3.5.5 on Slackware (pausing, backwards and forwards,
etc.), so that might be a Fedora-specific problem. The
http://www.youtube.com/html5 example does not work, right clicking on
it to 'save as' shows it is an mp4 file, which is probably not
supported without extra plugins. The failure to specify a basic codec
support for HTML5 was its major failing.

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Re: Prius Gas Mileage

2009-11-26 Thread Ian Malone
2009/11/26 Marcus D. Leech :
> On 11/25/2009 10:38 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
>>
>> Jonathan Ryshpan writes:
>>
>>> The gas mileage on my Prius has slowly declined from about 40 mpg when I
>>> bought it in 2005 (2d hand, it's a 2004 model year) to about 35 mpg
>>> today.  Has anyone else noticed this?
>>> Any ideas why?  It could, of course, be just that I'm paying less
>>> attention to driving for good gas mileage, or have let the pressure in
>>> the tires go down, but I don't think so.
>>
>> Try upgrading your Prius' kernel to the latest version in updates.
>>
>>
> Perhaps one of the kernel performance measurement tools would be in order?
>  Might have to translate from context-switches/sec to MPG, but that's what
>  'units' is for, right?
>

I think this might be the problem, try using thusnelda rather than mpg.

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Re: [F12] Firefox + Flash = crash

2009-11-25 Thread Ian Malone
2009/11/25 Andreas M. Kirchwitz :


> I still have to find out why the all-new-and-shiny "nouveau" graphics
> driver is so much slower than the old "nv" driver. And why does
> gnome-appearance-properties ignore anything I set as background?
> But that's a different story. ;-)
>

Your background problem might be the "screen background problem on
F12" thread, if you have a service called wallpapoz running.

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Re: Nvidia

2009-11-24 Thread Ian Malone
2009/11/24 Lonni J Friedman :

>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:22 AM, cibertazzi2001
>  wrote:
>> I can not run my Nvidia 9600GT with Fedora 12, this discourages a little use

Not run at all or just not with the nvidia drivers? What symptoms are
there (examples: doesn't boot, graphics don't start, doesn't show
login, doesn't show desktop, blinks then fails to start)?

>> of this operating system, I wonder if someone can help me in this
>> configuration.Sorry for my english ,because my natural language is
>> portuguese

> http://www.idurun.com/?p=516

Simpler, way to get the nvidia drivers working, assuming you have a
desktop with nouveau, first set up RPMFusion
http://rpmfusion.org/Configuration
(both free and non-free)

Then READ (i.e. don't do yet):
http://rpmfusion.org/Howto/nVidia

* run:
yum install kmod-nvidia
This might not find anything if the drivers are still in
updates-testing, so you may want to try
yum --enablerepo rpmfusion-free-updates-testing --enablerepo
rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-testing install kmod-nvidia

*now follow the instructions from http://rpmfusion.org/Howto/nVidia

*restart your computer (just X is not enough as you need to lose the
nouveau module)

If you have no desktop at all, then maybe try booting with the
rdblacklist=nouveau or rdblacklist=nvidia option to force the vesa
driver.

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Re: install libgcc without yum rpm etc.

2009-11-24 Thread Ian Malone
2009/11/24 François Patte :

>
> Bonjour,
>
> I made a mistake and erased libgcc
>
> How can I re-install it without using yum or rpm which seem to depend on
> this library...
>
> Thanks for helping
>
>

Not sure if this will work, but maybe boot from a live or rescue mode
CD for the same architecture/release version and copy libgcc_s.so*
over from /usr/lib or /usr/lib64 as appropriate, then reboot and do a
yum install/reinstall/update on the package?

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Re: F11 loud sound (>100% volume) anyone?

2009-11-24 Thread Ian Malone
2009/11/19 hongwei hou :

> 2009/11/19 Ian Malone 
>>
>> Just wondering if anyone else has seen this as I'm curious why it's
>> happening. When I play sounds in F11 at the moment the master volume
>> control goes too loud (mouse-over on the volume control applet comes
>> out ~160%) and sound comes out incredibly loud and distorted. Changing
>> the volume through the applet resets it to below 100% and a normal
>> volume. This is particularly surprising  because normally that volume
>> control has no effect unless set to 0% in which case it mutes output,
>> instead I use the hardware/advanced volume control applet to adjust
>> PCM levels.
>>
>> This happens, for instance, when flash starts up in Firefox to play
>> youtube videos or BBC radio. I think it has also happened with
>> rhythmbox, but not at my machine at the moment so can double check
>> that. It sounds like F12 has improved some pulseaudio volume issues,
>> so maybe this will disappear when I try F12 later this week, but
>> curious whether anyone else has seen it.
>>

> yeah ,I have the same problem;
>

Having encountered what I believe to be a related (but more severe)
bug in F12 I've filed
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540817
Though from what I've read so far it seems it will depend on your
hardware, so you may want to file a separate bug unless you're using
the same chipset.

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F11 loud sound (>100% volume) anyone?

2009-11-19 Thread Ian Malone
Just wondering if anyone else has seen this as I'm curious why it's
happening. When I play sounds in F11 at the moment the master volume
control goes too loud (mouse-over on the volume control applet comes
out ~160%) and sound comes out incredibly loud and distorted. Changing
the volume through the applet resets it to below 100% and a normal
volume. This is particularly surprising  because normally that volume
control has no effect unless set to 0% in which case it mutes output,
instead I use the hardware/advanced volume control applet to adjust
PCM levels.

This happens, for instance, when flash starts up in Firefox to play
youtube videos or BBC radio. I think it has also happened with
rhythmbox, but not at my machine at the moment so can double check
that. It sounds like F12 has improved some pulseaudio volume issues,
so maybe this will disappear when I try F12 later this week, but
curious whether anyone else has seen it.

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Re: sound in Flash

2009-11-19 Thread Ian Malone
2009/11/19 N James Bridge :
> On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 19:18 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
>> On 11/18/2009 04:50 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
>> >
>> > Yep: yum install pulseaudio-libs.i686
>> >
>
> That worked - thanks. When I installed nspluginwrapper.i686 I got some
> 70 dependencies as well, but not that one!
>>
>>
>> There is a 64-bit Flash plugin you know. Official. Downloadable off
>> adobe.com. No need for 32-bit firefox or 32-bit pulse-libs.
> Where, precisely? I know there is an alpha (available from labs.adobe)
> but I couldn't make it work. Adobe.com only has the one option for linux
> with no mention of 64 bit.
>

That's the one, despite the 'alpha' tag I haven't had any problems
with it. Just untar and drop the .so in ~/.mozilla/plugins, though if
you've got i686 pulseaudio and nsplugins installed and working now
you've probably not got much reason to want to do this.

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Re: trying to understand SELinux message

2009-11-17 Thread Ian Malone
2009/11/16 Tim :
> On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 13:56 +0800, Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
>> Well, for home or personal use systems, you don't really need SELinux.
>> SELinux is for mission critical servers.
>
> Until you do something that SELinux would have protected you from...
>
> People do actually do things that need securing, on home computers (do
> their banking, etc.).  Just browsing the internet and reading your mail
> are the two major points of breakdown on the Windows world, and I'd like
> it if that problem doesn't migrate over to Linux, as well.
>

SELinux is not going to protect you from phishing or cross site
scripting attacks.  It's not going to offer much protection for just
browsing the internet.

On the other hand, disabling it is often part of my troubleshooting
process and I've had times (even with F11) when that has been
necessary just to get a working system.  I'll aim to get things
working 'properly' (i.e. with it on) again, but to see disabling
SELinux equated with running as root elsewhere in this thread is a bit
surprising.

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Re: unable to login after getting system update of X11 in fedora 11

2009-09-11 Thread Ian Malone
2009/9/11 Jatin K :
> On 09/11/2009 09:19 PM, Rodrigo Renault wrote:
>>
>> Same problem here after those updates. While the problem is not fixed, try
>> to change to tty2 at the login screen, kill your X session and then start it
>> again. After this I was able to login.
>>
> thnx for you reply ..   I dont need to change tty2  it work on the
> default tty  but I need to try 10 to 15 times then and then I can login
> ...   :-(
>
> this is my Xorg.0.log file


Try booting the previous kernel, if it goes away you may have the bug
I've just filed: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=522863

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Re: So far I am not impressed with F11

2009-09-03 Thread Ian Malone
2009/9/3 s :
> On 09/02/2009 01:38 PM, Randall J. Berry wrote:
>>
>> So far F11 has been nothing short of a pain for me. I have had more issues
>> with this one release than I have for all of the preceding releases
>> combined.
>>
>>
>> Next comes the issues with streaming audio or video. Since the update of
>> Firefox 3.1 to 3.1.1 all streaming media (youtube and the like) played
>> through the browser crashes at random points within the stream usually
>> locking up the browser for a period of time and the audio/video does not
>> return to normal. I tried to uninstall Firefox 3.1.1 and reinstall Firefox
>> 3.1 but that did not work Firefox simply ceased to work.
>>
>>
>
> Streaming video was crashing for me too. After trying the different plugins
> (Adobe flash, swfdec, xine-plugin) rolling back the nspluginwrapper to
> version 1.3.0-5 fixed the problem.
>

For what it's worth I've had no crash problems running F11 64bit with
the Adobe 64bit beta plugin (search the Adobe site for 64bit flash).
Songbird crashes, but that's not really worrying me at the minute.

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Re: Sorting Music by Composer

2009-08-14 Thread Ian Malone
2009/8/12 R. G. Newbury :
>>> >> Around 07:51pm on Monday, August 10, 2009 (UK time), R. G. Newbury
>>> >> scrawled:
>>> >>
 >>> Does anyone know of a program with the flexibility to set things up
 >>> this
 >>> way?
>>> >>
>>> >> Banshee can sort by composer, or any other tag. Â You will need to
>>> >> right
>>> >> click on the headings, and add composer as a column. Â Its yum
>>> >> installable, too.
>>> >>
>>> >> Steve
>> >
>> > Right you are...Unfortunately, it won't handle flac files I should
>> > have
>> > mentioned that.
>> >
>
>> I haven't used it in a while, but possibly Quod Libet (should be
>> available from add/remove software).
>
> Well I couldn't even get it to recognize any of my music files, much less
> play them.
>

I'm a bit surprised if that's really the case, I can use it to play
FLAC no problem. If no files show up in the library after importing
you could try hitting the search button to refresh the list.

Slightly counter-intuitively you'll need to go to Music|Browse and
select one of the options there to get a second window if you want to
drag files from the library to a playlist. Enter 'composer' in the
'other' field in the music|preferences|song list tab.

> And I find that RhythmBox has an incredibly obtuse interface. I was
> eventually able to create a Playlist consisting of only one album after
> realizing that the damn thing wants to dump all my music into one list. And
> I still have no idea which magic series of clicks and keypresses got it to
> actually play the music.
>

Double click on a track name to play. It will play through all files
in the current collection (highlighted bold in the left side pane),
whether it's a playlist or the main library. If there's something in
the 'Play Queue' that will get switched to once the current track
completes. Double clicking on a collection or track will switch to
that collection (and toggle play/pause).

> I am NOT impressed at the opacity of the interface. Nor am I impressed with
> the requirements of importing and creating a playlist for each album.
> Tedious boring work which computers never get tired of doing..
>

There's no need for a an album playlist. Select Library|Music view,
select the album in the album pane and 'all X artists' in the artists
pane (or select the artist too if you want to filter within the
album). Sort by track (for multi-disc albums this should take the
DISCNUMBER tag into account), Double click on the first track.

> Anyone got any better ideas for a program which will deal with a tree of
>  composers, with albums as leaves underneath?
>

Hasn't been written so far as I know.  The "artist - name" model is so
pervasive in music tagging that everyone who listens to classical
music eventually gives up and puts the 'composer' in the artist tag
and performers (if they care) in the album name.

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Re: Sorting Music by Composer

2009-08-11 Thread Ian Malone
2009/8/10 R. G. Newbury :
>
>> Around 07:51pm on Monday, August 10, 2009 (UK time), R. G. Newbury
>> scrawled:
>>
>>> Does anyone know of a program with the flexibility to set things up this
>>> way?
>>
>> Banshee can sort by composer, or any other tag.  You will need to right
>> click on the headings, and add composer as a column.  Its yum
>> installable, too.
>>
>> Steve
>
> Right you are...Unfortunately, it won't handle flac files I should have
> mentioned that.
>

I haven't used it in a while, but possibly Quod Libet (should be
available from add/remove software).

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Re: F10 SElinux issues

2009-08-04 Thread Ian Malone
2009/8/3 Steve :
>
>  Frank Murphy  wrote:
>> On 03/08/09 15:50, Steve Blackwell wrote:
>> > Ever since I upgraded from F9 to F10 when F9 went EOL I've been having
>> > lots of SElinux warnings. Here's one. I get at seemingly random times,
>> > ie not when I log in.
>> >
>>
>> su
>>
>> touch ./autorelabel;reboot
>
> No luck. This actually made things worse because I had "corrected" some of 
> the problems that had been reported and now those are back.
>

Maybe try a yum reinstall selinux-policy-targeted?

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Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?

2009-07-28 Thread Ian Malone
2009/7/28 Marko Vojinovic :
> On Tuesday 28 July 2009 02:58:14 John Mellor wrote:
>> On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 12:23 +0200, Julian Aloofi wrote:
>> > Am Donnerstag, den 23.07.2009, 20:13 -0400 schrieb John Mellor:

>> I'm ok with this, as long as a non-functioning Radeon-HD card becomes a
>> blocker issue.  There is no way that F12 should be released without this
>> support, and most cards working correctly.
>
> There was a similar issue with Intel drivers at the time of release of F10,
> and it was labeled non-blocking issue back then. F10 was then released with
> flaky Intel drivers. IOW, don't get your hopes up.
>
> Besides, as was the argument for Intel, it is not fair to block the whole
> distro only because some graphics cards have problems. All other users
> (nVidia, Intel and better-supported ATI owners) are then punished just because
> some ATI cards don't work well.
>

On the other hand I was pleasantly surprised to discover that my
nVidia card was supported straight when installing F11 as it was one
of the few not supported by the nv (open) driver for a while (the
secret of course was the change to nouveau).

> You chose the card, you deal with it. I had my fair share of that game with
> Intel (and I still do --- it still doesn't work good enough) for more than 6
> months now. It was working perfectly in F9, it broke in F10 (and this was well
> known before the release), it stayed broken through F10 and again in F11. As I
> cannot change hardware in my laptop, I learned to live with it. I suggest you
> do the same.
>

Which Intel do you have?  I've got a 945 which did go through a phase
of performing badly, but I think it was better behaved last time I
tried turning desktop effects on (F11, I skipped past F10).

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Re: F12 networkmanager, anyone else worried by this?

2009-07-23 Thread Ian Malone
2009/7/22 Rahul Sundaram :
> On 07/22/2009 03:22 PM, Ian Malone wrote:


>
>> Is anyone able to reassure me that NM will finally work this time?
>
> The best way is to run Rawhide for testing, provide feedback and
> reassure yourself.
>

So, no then.

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F12 networkmanager, anyone else worried by this?

2009-07-22 Thread Ian Malone
I've just noticed F12 is moving towards NetworkManager for system-wide
connections.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NetworkManagerSystemConnections

In principle it's a good thing, but with Fedora 11 I'm still having NM
problems on two completely different wireless chipsets (rt2500 and
iwl3945) which still refuse to do DHCP, which has been an intermittent
problem since I first started trying to use NM (say around Fedora 8).
It is always blamed on bugs in the drivers, which may be the case, but
NM has always seemed less tolerant of these kinds of problems than the
old system-config-network approach.  Particularly since both cards
work properly once static IP has been set up.

I'm also worried that when other problems (such as recent difficulties
I had with SElinux policies preventing graphical login) occur they
will be harder to fix as it seems more likely that NM will be affected
by other issues, resulting in trying to fix problems without a network
connection available.

Is anyone able to reassure me that NM will finally work this time?

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Re: SELinux preventing D-Bus starting ConsoleKit etc - Was: F10 - pulseaudio not running

2009-07-21 Thread Ian Malone
2009/5/21 Mike Fleetwood :
> Daniel J Walsh wrote:
>> Mike could you join me on irc #selinux on freenode and talk to me there
>> (dwalsh)?
>
> In summary Daniel talked me through checking out SELinux in more
> detail over IRC.  There was some sort of corruption with the SELinux
> targeted policy from my Fedora 8 to 10 upgrade a couple of months ago.
>  Reinstalled the targeted policy RPM and relabelled everything.
> ConsoleKit is now running and /sbin/service works.  I expect
> Pulseaudio will start and audacious play audio, but I am not at the
> console to login and check.
>

In case anyone runs into this problem, I was in a similar situation
with a Fedora 8 -> 10 -> 11 upgrade via preupgrade, which prevented me
logging even via gdm even in permissive mode with an error:
"Could not get name on session bus"
At which point I'd get sent back to the log in screen. Simply
relabelling (via /.autorelabel, fixfiles or restorecon) or yum
reinstall selinux-policy-targeted wasn't sufficient to fix it for me
and it turned out it was necessary to:
# yum erase selinux-policy-targeted
# mv /etc/selinux/targeted/modules /etc/selinux/targeted/modules.old
# yum install selinux-policy-targeted
Followed for good measure by rebooting into permissive mode with
relabelling.  The system now runs fine in enforcing mode.

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Leonidas desktop slideshow

2009-07-20 Thread Ian Malone
Hi,

The last few Fedora desktops (F8-F10) have had slide-show artwork for
the desktop (actually, I liked infinity the best, but digressing),
with Leonidas I notice that the main theme artwork (and also the Lion
and Landscape backgrounds) are implemented as slideshows, but just
seem to cycle through different sizes of files marked with "-noon".
Has the slide-show artwork been dropped or is this just some kind of
packaging mistake?

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Re: How to get f9 to accept ssh connections from other computers

2009-04-21 Thread Ian Malone
2009/4/21 Craig White :
> On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 22:35 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote:
>> I now have ssh working FROM f9 to other computers, but ssh connections
>> TO f9 from other computers still are refused by f9. What do I have to do
>> to fix this?
> 
> that's sort of tough to answer because by default, sshd service would be
> automatically installed, configured, running at boot up in runlevels 3 &
> 5 and you've already stated that firewall is off.
>

Is it turned on if you install from the live cd?  Can't remember, but
some of the services were different in the past.

> It has to be something you did that we couldn't possibly know.
>
> Is it on? 'service sshd restart'
>

$ chkconfig --list sshd
and
$ service sshd status

Also, does
$ ssh localhost
work?

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Re: java alternatives

2009-04-20 Thread Ian Malone
2009/4/20 Deepak Bhole :
> * Ian Malone  [2009-04-20 16:16]:
>> 2009/4/19 Andrew Overholt :
>> > * Ian Malone  [2009-04-18 19:12]:
>> >> 2009/4/17 Deepak Bhole :
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > PS: Out of curiosity.. why do you need the Sun VM? Is something lacking
>> >> > in OpenJDK?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Well for me, the Facebook image uploader applet crashes FF under
>> >> OpenJDK
>> >
>> > This was something Deepak specifically tested and I know it worked for
>> > me on x86_64.
>> >
>> > Andrew
>> >
>>
>> For whatever reason java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0-15.b14.fc10.x86_64.rpm
>> doesn't do it for me.  I also tried re-building the package with
>> –enable-liveconnect (with takes an age) with no luck. If it's
>> something people are looking at I'll try to get around to filing it.
>>
>
> What sort of error do you see? Andrew just helped me test the uploader
> with java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0-15.b14.fc10.x86_64.rpm and it worked
> fine.
>

As above Firefox crashes, no error it simply disappears.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=496782

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Re: java alternatives

2009-04-20 Thread Ian Malone
2009/4/19 Andrew Overholt :
> * Ian Malone  [2009-04-18 19:12]:
>> 2009/4/17 Deepak Bhole :
>>
>> >
>> > PS: Out of curiosity.. why do you need the Sun VM? Is something lacking
>> > in OpenJDK?
>> >
>>
>> Well for me, the Facebook image uploader applet crashes FF under
>> OpenJDK
>
> This was something Deepak specifically tested and I know it worked for
> me on x86_64.
>
> Andrew
>

For whatever reason java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0-15.b14.fc10.x86_64.rpm
doesn't do it for me.  I also tried re-building the package with
–enable-liveconnect (with takes an age) with no luck. If it's
something people are looking at I'll try to get around to filing it.

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openoffice pdf export font problems

2009-04-18 Thread Ian Malone
Has anyone seen this in Fedora 10?  I've got some equations (a few
arrays, but the problem also affects '4 times 4') in a .odt file and
exporting them to PDF from OpenOffice in F10 results in odd glyphs in
place of the characters I'd expect.  The same .odt exported from
OpenOffice 2.3 in Fedora 8 turns out fine.

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Re: java alternatives

2009-04-18 Thread Ian Malone
2009/4/17 Deepak Bhole :

>
> PS: Out of curiosity.. why do you need the Sun VM? Is something lacking
> in OpenJDK?
>

Well for me, the Facebook image uploader applet crashes FF under
OpenJDK and OpenOffice's writer2latex exporter refuses to write
bibtex.  I'll get round to filing bugs eventually, but it's nice to
have something that works.

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Re: kphotoalbum tips?

2009-04-03 Thread Ian Malone
2009/4/1 Anne Wilson :
> On Wednesday 01 April 2009 00:08:48 Ian Malone wrote:
>> 2009/3/27 Anne Wilson :
>> > On Friday 27 March 2009 15:18:04 Ian Malone wrote:
>> >> Does anyone use kphotoalbum?  It seems to do /almost/ exactly what I
>> >> want in terms of flexible tagging, but the html albums it exports
>> >> don't look great (both its file|html export and the html export
>> >> plugin), has anyone had any success customizing it?  Thought I'd ask
>> >> here before disappearing across to their mailing list.
>> >
>> > If you get information from them, please report back.  I'd like to see it
>> > included in UserBase.  There is some information already at
>> > http://userbase.kde.org/KPhotoAlbum
>>
>> Nearly forgot to reply: thanks for this, I didn't know about UserBase
>> at all. The Image::Kimdaba perl module sounds like it might be worth a
>> look and there's mention on that page of a possible export to JAlbum
>> (which is what I used to use and looks fantastic, but just doesn't do
>> photo management).
>>
> I don't use it myself, but if you tell me exactly what you want to do but
> can't, I may be able to find out for you the best way to achieve it.
>

Well, I want to do two things.  One is manage a photo collection,
KPhotoAlbum doesn't look as nice as f-spot, but its tagging abilities
are far closer to what I actually want (people, location, custom
categories).  The other is be able to export web albums and I have a
slight preference for static html to LAMP for that because then I can
put them on CDs and they are simpler to transfer between webhosts.  I
currently use JAlbum for that, but it's quite heavily based on putting
albums into folders whereas a better solution for me would be to
create albums based on tags.  JAlbum can create beautiful albums
http://jalbum.net/browse/featured/album/94706/ so if I can get them
talking to each other that would be great.  It also does a few useful
things like allow picture metadata to be included in the page.

KPhotoAlbum's built-in HTML generation is coded into the application,
so I'd have to patch it and run my own build to make changes.
Alternatively the kibiplugins for HTML generation are done with XSLT
and CSS, so there's a degree of flexibility there, though they don't
seem to get much information passed from KPhotoAlbum itself. Both
currently produce very plain albums, the kibiplugins exports produce
albums called 'unnamed collection' or something along those lines. The
Perl module sounds interesting, I write quite a lot of Perl so I can
probably do something with that.

If anyone has photo management software they use that generates good
html albums I'd like to give it a try, otherwise I'm happy to have a
bit more of a play with KPA myself to see if it can be persuaded to do
what I want.

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Re: kphotoalbum tips?

2009-03-31 Thread Ian Malone
2009/3/27 Anne Wilson :
> On Friday 27 March 2009 15:18:04 Ian Malone wrote:
>> Does anyone use kphotoalbum?  It seems to do /almost/ exactly what I
>> want in terms of flexible tagging, but the html albums it exports
>> don't look great (both its file|html export and the html export
>> plugin), has anyone had any success customizing it?  Thought I'd ask
>> here before disappearing across to their mailing list.
>>
> If you get information from them, please report back.  I'd like to see it
> included in UserBase.  There is some information already at
> http://userbase.kde.org/KPhotoAlbum
>

Nearly forgot to reply: thanks for this, I didn't know about UserBase
at all. The Image::Kimdaba perl module sounds like it might be worth a
look and there's mention on that page of a possible export to JAlbum
(which is what I used to use and looks fantastic, but just doesn't do
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kphotoalbum tips?

2009-03-27 Thread Ian Malone
Does anyone use kphotoalbum?  It seems to do /almost/ exactly what I
want in terms of flexible tagging, but the html albums it exports
don't look great (both its file|html export and the html export
plugin), has anyone had any success customizing it?  Thought I'd ask
here before disappearing across to their mailing list.

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Re: MPEG-1 read support

2009-03-19 Thread Ian Malone
2009/3/17 Bryn M. Reeves :
> On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 14:48 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> Alan Cox wrote:
>> > Please remember Wackipedia is often simply the collected urban
>> > legends, misunderstandings and general cluelessness of its contributors.
>> > What Wackipedia has to say and what the actual situation (reviewed by
>> > people competent to give legal opinions) is are often quite different.
>>
>> Well, the Wikipedia article gives references claiming the last relevant
>> patent expired in 2003. So the OP's question sounds legitimate to me, and
>> this is probably worth a review by RH Legal.
>
> The problem is a bit deeper than that I believe. Even though some parts
> of  the standards are no longer covered by outstanding patents I'm not
> aware of implementations that neatly separate things out so that you can
> easily pick the patent-encumbered from the non-patent-encumbered.
>
> For e.g., I'm not aware of a widely used MPEG audio implementation that
> implements only layers 1 and 2 (patents expired) but not layer 3
> (patents outstanding) (yes, I know about tooLAME but it is nothing like
> as widely used as equivalents that include layer 3 support).
>
> Given the amount of work it could take to re-organise everything around
> this and the relatively limited amount of media most users will
> encounter that is encoded in straight mpeg1-video with mpeg1 layer-1/2
> audio I'm not sure the effort is justified.
>

Well, mpeg1 might not be a high priority by itself, but it would be
useful to be able to pull in codecs as patents expire.

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Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?

2009-03-11 Thread Ian Malone
2009/3/10 Bill Crawford :
> On Tuesday 10 March 2009 16:13:16 Ed Greshko wrote:
>> If everybody listened to somebody that told them not to buy something
>> then nobody would buying anything.
>
> But, the same applies in reverse, and the warnings - which might apply to some
> particular hardware, or software versions, more than others - are potentially
> useful as guidance on what might be good to avoid ...
>
>

And of course the warning about crying wolf applies too.  The same
people wheel out doom and gloom about proprietary drivers every time
Nvidia especially is mentioned and it really becomes nothing more than
noise.  Ideally yes we'd avoid them, but I have had only minor
problems with the Nvidia drivers through three generations of chipsets
and if I need to report a kernel bug I can always go back to the nv
driver to do it (and maybe that will solve the problem, in which case
Nvidia get to hear about it).

Warnings about particular hardware or software are much more useful,
especially when someone has specifically asked for them.  (Not that
pushing hardware with open source support doesn't have its place.)

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Re: current state of ati graphics

2009-02-25 Thread Ian Malone
2009/2/24 Kevin Kofler :
> Ian Malone wrote:
>> Since AMD have apparently released the specs needed to write an open
>> driver for them I thought it might be worth supporting them this time
>> around, but I'm not sure what the current state of ATI support looks like.
>
> For the Free Software drivers (i.e. NOT the proprietary fglrx):
> http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATIRadeon
>
> In short, r1xx up to r5xx series are now supported with 2D (XRender) and 3D
> (OpenGL) acceleration. In marketing names, that's up to X1950 (rule of
> thumb: if it doesn't have "HD" in it, it should be supported - the HD*
> models (r6xx/r7xx) and the X2300 HD which appears to be some sort of hybrid
> between the r5xx architecture and some r6xx or r7xx one are not supported).
>

Okay, sounds quite promising if I can find the right generation of
card then.  Thanks to all who replied.

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current state of ati graphics

2009-02-23 Thread Ian Malone
Hi,

I'm looking to upgrade my graphics card and for the past few
iterations have gone with Nvida, mostly because they provided a
working linux driver with 3D acceleration; most people I knew with ATI
chipsets had problems with their drivers at one time or another (and
for a long time only older cards were supported).  Since AMD have
apparently released the specs needed to write an open driver for them
I thought it might be worth supporting them this time around, but I'm
not sure what the current state of ATI support looks like. I'd guess
there has been long enough for an accelerated driver to make it into
the kernel, but I see that there is also a recent release of their
proprietary driver.  What are people's recent experiences with ATI?  I
wouldn't be looking for the highest end card, just something that can
happily run compiz and flash videos 1280x1024.  The nvidia I'm
considering are around the 8500 / 9400 mark.

Thanks for your time.

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Re: collective nouns (was: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)

2009-02-13 Thread Ian Malone
2009/2/13 Ian Malone :
> 2009/2/12 Armin :
>>> Obviously the OP didn't understand that we Fedoraites (is that a word?)
>>
>> it's actually 'Fedorian' I believe!
>>
>
> I'd like it a little shorter and go for 'Fedoran'.
>

Re. new thread title; oops; a noun, but clearly not a collective one.
Will cover by suggesting a community of Fedorans.

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Re: collective nouns (was: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)

2009-02-13 Thread Ian Malone
2009/2/12 Armin :
>> Obviously the OP didn't understand that we Fedoraites (is that a word?)
>
> it's actually 'Fedorian' I believe!
>

I'd like it a little shorter and go for 'Fedoran'.

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Re: F10 not connecting to wireless

2009-02-09 Thread Ian Malone
2009/2/9 Ian Malone :
> Hi,
>
> I'm finally installing Fedora 10 x86_64 to replace a rather creaky
> Fedora 6, and I can't connect to my wireless router. I was actually
> looking forward to this working properly, as I had tried the Fedora 9
> x86_64 live cd previously and it Just Worked (TM).  But in F10, both
> x86_64 and i686, NetworkManager fails to get an IP.  Watching with
> iwconfig while it's trying to connect I can see that the access point
> is associating okay, but then it gives up trying to get a DHCP lease.
> I've attached stderr from NM running in no-daemon mode under both F9
> and F10 64 bit.
>
> Unfortunately I had a go at disabling NM and using the old
> system-config-network approach too and this no longer works either.
> Any suggestions?
>
> NIC is a Ralink rt2500.
>

Further info: turning off wireless encryption makes no difference, but
bypassing DHCP and using static ip+dns works (although seems quite
slow).

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Re: F10 not connecting to wireless

2009-02-09 Thread Ian Malone
2009/2/9 Bill Davidsen :
> Ian Malone wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm finally installing Fedora 10 x86_64 to replace a rather creaky
>> Fedora 6, and I can't connect to my wireless router. I was actually
>> looking forward to this working properly, as I had tried the Fedora 9
>> x86_64 live cd previously and it Just Worked (TM).  But in F10, both
>> x86_64 and i686, NetworkManager fails to get an IP.  Watching with
>> iwconfig while it's trying to connect I can see that the access point
>> is associating okay, but then it gives up trying to get a DHCP lease.
>> I've attached stderr from NM running in no-daemon mode under both F9
>> and F10 64 bit.
>>
>> Unfortunately I had a go at disabling NM and using the old
>> system-config-network approach too and this no longer works either.
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> NIC is a Ralink rt2500.
>>
> If you are using excryption (WEP or WPA) I have a thought for you. Configure
> the NIC to sart at boot, not use NM, and after you come up log in and do a
>  "service network reload"
> and see if it comes up. FC9 worked for me uptil a NM "upgrade" after which
> it stopped working. After complaining about it to no avail, and debugging it
> to no solution, I concluded that NM tried to do the attach before
> wpa_supplicant was running, and the crypto failed. I could be all wet on
> that but this line
>  (sleep 30; service network reload) &
> in rc.local fixed my problem. When there's a live CD I will try it with FC11
> on that machine, or install to a flash drive.
>

Thanks, unfortunately this hasn't helped.  I'll have to try the old
'turn off encryption' trick too, however the card is associating with
the AP, this can be seen in both the NM output and if I watch with
iwconfig while doing either NM or ifup type connections.  That doesn't
rule out encryption problems, but I have seen NM unable to get DHCP
leases in the past F7/F8 on open networks
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=242469> (different
machine and wireless controller).

Incidentally, I'm not using wpa_supplicant either, this is a WEP
encrypted network.  I have tried starting the service though, but not
explicitly configuring it beyond anything that might be done by
system-config-network.

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F10 not connecting to wireless

2009-02-08 Thread Ian Malone
Hi,

I'm finally installing Fedora 10 x86_64 to replace a rather creaky
Fedora 6, and I can't connect to my wireless router. I was actually
looking forward to this working properly, as I had tried the Fedora 9
x86_64 live cd previously and it Just Worked (TM).  But in F10, both
x86_64 and i686, NetworkManager fails to get an IP.  Watching with
iwconfig while it's trying to connect I can see that the access point
is associating okay, but then it gives up trying to get a DHCP lease.
I've attached stderr from NM running in no-daemon mode under both F9
and F10 64 bit.

Unfortunately I had a go at disabling NM and using the old
system-config-network approach too and this no longer works either.
Any suggestions?

NIC is a Ralink rt2500.

Unfortunately simply going with F9 isn't an option with F11 imminent.

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NetworkManager:   starting...
-- Error received: File exists
-- Original message: type=0x14 length=56 flags= 
sequence-nr=1234143257 pid=4197233
NetworkManager:   nm_generic_enable_loopback(): error -17 returned from 
rtnl_addr_add():
Sucess

NetworkManager:   eth0: driver is 'forcedeth'.
NetworkManager:   Found new Ethernet device 'eth0'.
NetworkManager:   (eth0): exported as 
/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/net_00_17_31_84_15_cc
NetworkManager:   wlan0: driver is 'rt2500pci'.
NetworkManager:   wlan0: driver supports SSID scans (scan_capa 0x01).
NetworkManager:   Found new 802.11 WiFi device 'wlan0'.
NetworkManager:   (wlan0): exported as 
/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/net_00_0e_2e_51_c5_25
NetworkManager:   (eth0): now unmanaged
NetworkManager:   (wlan0): device state change: 1 -> 2
NetworkManager:   (wlan0): bringing up device.
NetworkManager:   (wlan0): preparing device.
NetworkManager:   (wlan0): deactivating device (reason: 2).
NetworkManager:   (wlan0): device state change: 2 -> 3
NetworkManager:   (wlan0): supplicant interface state:  starting -> ready
NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) starting connection 'Auto 
O2wirelessD9C5A1'
NetworkManager:   (wlan0): device state change: 3 -> 4
NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) 
scheduled...
NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) 
started...
NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) 
scheduled...
NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) 
complete.
NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) 
starting...
NetworkManager:   (wlan0): device state change: 4 -> 5
NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0/wireless): access point 'Auto 
O2wirelessD9C5A1' has security, but secrets are required.
NetworkManager:   (wlan0): device state change: 5 -> 6
NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) 
complete.
NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) 
scheduled...
NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) 
started...
NetworkManager:   (wlan0): device state change: 6 -> 4
NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) 
scheduled...
NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) 
complete.
NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) 
starting...
NetworkManager:   (wlan0): device state change: 4 -> 5
NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0/wireless): connection 'Auto 
O2wirelessD9C5A1' has security, and secrets exist.  No new secrets needed.
NetworkManager:   Config: added 'ssid' value 'O2wirelessD9C5A1'
NetworkManager:   Config: added 'scan_ssid' value '1'
NetworkManager:   Config: added 'key_mgmt' value 'NONE'
NetworkManager:   Config: added 'auth_alg' value 'OPEN'
NetworkManager:   Config: added 'wep_key0' value ''
NetworkManager:   Config: added 'wep_tx_keyidx' value '0'
NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) 
complete.
NetworkManager:   Config: set interface ap_scan to 1
NetworkManager:   (wlan0): supplicant connection state:  scanning -> 
disconnected
NetworkManager:   (wlan0): supplicant connection state:  disconnected -> 
scanning
NetworkManager:   (wlan0): supplicant connection state:  scanning -> 
associating
NetworkManager:   (wlan0): supplicant connection state:  associating -> 
associated
NetworkManager:   (wlan0): supplicant connection state:  associated -> 
completed
NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0/wireless) Stage 2 of 5 (Device 
Configure) successful.  Connected to wireless network 'O2wirelessD9C5A1'.
NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Stage 3 of 5 (IP Configure Start) 
scheduled.
NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Stage 3 of 5 (IP Configure Start) 
started...
NetworkManager:   (wlan0): device state change: 5 -> 7
NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Beginning DHCP transaction.
NetworkManager:   dhclient started with pid 2955
NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Stage 3 of 5 (IP Configure Start) 
complete.
Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client 4.0.0
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All rights reserved.
For info

Re: KERNEL HEADERS

2008-09-29 Thread Ian Malone
2008/9/21 Antonio Olivares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> --- On Sun, 9/21/08, David McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> From: David McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: KERNEL HEADERS
>> To: "For users of Fedora Core releases" 
>> Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 7:40 AM
>> I have been trying to install drivers for a Marvell nic and
>> an Atheros
>> wireless on my new Toshiba laptop but when I run the
>> install scripts I
>> get the error Kernel Headers not found. If I try to install
>> them RPM it
>> says they are already installed. I have searched the
>> archives but can't
>> find a reference to where they are.

> # rpm -qa kernel-headers
>
> if they ae installed will return
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ rpm -qa kernel-headers
> kernel-headers-2.6.26.3-29.fc9.i386
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$
>
> if they are not present for your running kernel `uname -r`, then you may
> # yum install kernel-headers
>

Bit of an old thread here, but maybe someone will find the following useful:
1. Some drivers that require the 'kernel headers' need header files
from the kernel-devel package, rather than (or more likely in addition
to) kernel-headers.
2. "$ rpm -ql package-name" will list all the files provided by that package.

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Re: fedora errors

2008-07-26 Thread Ian Malone
2008/7/11 Rick Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Mark Haney wrote:
>>
>> Glen Grantham wrote:
>>>
>>> My system is an AMD 64 Athlon X2 4600+ on a
>>> GIGABYTE  S-Series GA-MA74GM-S2H motherboard
>>> with a 320GB EIDE WD Caviar SE 7200RPM Hard Drive
>>>
>>> 64 bit Fedora Linux Identity Kit
>>>
>>> ERROR List from upgrade after initial installing system with Fedora 8
>>>
>>> When I try to install the 280 or so upgraded pacaages I get this:
>>>
>>> file /usr/lib/libnm-util.so.0.0.0 from install of
>>> NetworkManager-glib-0.7.0-0.6.9.svn3675.fc8 conflicts with file from package
>>> NetworkManager-0.7.0-0.5.svn3030.fc8
>>> file /etc/dbus-1/system.d/NetworkManager.conf from install of
>>> NetworkManager-0.7.0-0.6.9.svn3675.fc8 conflicts with file from package
>>
>> Well, we didn't really need every single line, since most of them are
>> similar to the first 2 or three listed.  However, try removing Network
>> Manager and then installing it.  That should get you the upgraded version
>> and getting rid of the errors you are seeing.
>
> The problem is that NM does NOT provide the 32-bit libraries any more in
> the multilib (64- and 32-bit) environment.  To fix:
>
>yum remove NetworkManager.i386
>
> since you don't need the 32-bit version.  Then "yum update" should work.
>

I had the same problem with NetworkManager updates. I've just tried
'yum remove NetworkManager.i386' and, intriguingly:

Dependencies Resolved

=
 Package Arch   Version  RepositorySize
=
Removing:
 NetworkManager  i386   1:0.7.0-0.6.7.svn3370.fc8
installed 2.4 M
Removing for dependencies:
 NetworkManager-glib i386   1:0.7.0-0.6.7.svn3370.fc8
installed 103 k
 NetworkManager-openvpn  i386   1:0.7.0-8.svn3302.fc8  installed
  486 k
 NetworkManager-vpnc i386   1:0.7.0-0.6.3.svn3109.fc8
installed 309 k
 evolution   i386   2.12.3-5.fc8 installed  36 M


As I don't use evolution on this machine (and probably have the 64bit
version anyway), I don't care too much, but this seems to be a bizarre
dependency chain.

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Re: What is the matter with fedora 9?

2008-06-30 Thread Ian Malone
2008/6/27 Andrew Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>

> And they are nothing at all like the [whatever the opposite of flat
> earth folks are] who think things like NetworkManager and PulseAudio are
> the holy grail because there are circumstances where these are valuable
> tools in spite of the huge volume of other, more common, circumstances
> where they are in fact less useful than hammered dung. And why must the
> not-flat-earth-folks then disparage the flat-earth-folks for pointing
> out exactly this fact?
>

There is absolutely nothing wrong with NetworkManager. Circumstances
where it appears not to have worked are always due to your wilful
negligence or fevered delusions. In fact, its divine perfection is so
great that it would be sullied by condescending to provide meaningful
documentation or diagnostics.

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Re: how to find WEP/WPA key to network if possible

2008-05-29 Thread Ian Malone

Mike Burger wrote:

--- "Kevin J. Cummings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:



That's what some teachers got to do after the Network
became encrypted.  They took their computers to the
Administrator and he put the key in for them and they
are happily surfing.  Other teachers that seldom use
their laptops, brought it to school only to find out
that they cannot use the wireless network because it
has a new key that they need to put in to be able to
use it.  This happened without warning and some of my
colleagues are mad.  I do not know what to tell them.
I wish I knew more about wireless networking.


While I sympathize with their plight, in this regard, I do have note that
were I the networking supervisor, my sympathy would be limited.

I imagine that this person would have sent out numerous notices that they
would be implementing wireless encryption before doing so...as would be
standard practice (I could be wrong...this person may not have done so,
but I doubt that to be the case).



Given that a responsible person would have left important passwords with 
someone who wasn't away on holiday this might not be the case.


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