Re: OT: Dual Pentium III, good enough for current 2.6 kernel linux?

[James Kosin]

Alan Evans wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>> All PIIIs are single cores, AFAIK.
> 
> Of course I knew that. In my mind, "dual" and "dual core" are the same
> thing and don't necessarily mean that the cores are on the same die.
> Kind of like when I say a Sun E1 is 64-core, I don't mean on a
> single chip. (Since I don't pay close attention to shifting
> terminology, mine is probably not up-to date.)
> 
Actually, "dual" and "dual core" are NOT the same thing.

James



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Re: OT: Can Reformatting A Hard Drive To ext3 Destroy All the Data On It?

[James Kosin]

Tim wrote:
> Tim: 
>>> But do you know what the drive does when you use that function?  ;-\
> 
> Bruno Wolff III: 
>> Reading the drive back in should give you a good idea. If that isn't enough
>> of a check for you then you should just be destroying the drive.
> 
> While that would tell you that *you* couldn't read your own drive back,
> it doesn't tell you whether someone else could.  In the paranoid
> security concious arena, you'd need to know exactly how their secure
> erase function works, before you could trust it.
> 
Unfortunately, the only way to guarantee complete security is to
completely destroy the drive.

Writing 0-zeros or other data may still leave ghost trails a really good
expert (say with government connections and the proper hardware) could
still read back.

James



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Re: nVidia vs. ATI graphics card for fedora

[James Kosin]

Globe Trotter wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am ordering a souped-up workstation and I was wondering which graphics card 
> is preferable for running fedora:
> 
> a 256 MB PCIe x16 nVidia NVS 290, Dual Monitor capable
> 
> or 
> 
> a 
> ATI Fire GL V3600 256MB, Dual Monitor DVI Capable ATI3600 
> 
> 
> What would you suggest? I do not need huge 3-d acceleration and stuff, but 
> want it to work well. 
> 
> Please let me know if I should provide more information.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Trotter
> 

Trotter,

If you like re-configuring or re-installing drivers at ever kernel
change then OK you can do either.  The bad news is ATI and nVidia are
not fully natively supported in XWindows in most circumstances without
the proprietary drivers.  There are repos that support these two and
work is being done for native support... but, alas it is SLOW in coming.

Tips:
If you choose either of these, only do so with the intent to CAREFULLY
update kernels and drivers.  Don't try updating the kernel if there is
no driver update available, you may regret this decision.
Next, try getting an older model ATI or nVidia card, support is easier
for the older models than the newer ones.  Linux is also a bit slow at
getting newer cards supported natively, without going to proprietary
drivers.

James



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Re: Question about update of clamav

[James Kosin]

Kevin Kofler wrote:
> James Kosin wrote:
>> b)  0.95 made significant changes to milter.  This may be the cause for
>> the delay.  And there is no real threat for using 0.94.2 other than not
>> being the latest release.
> 
> Judging from previous history, the clamav maintainer is extremely cautious
> about potentially breaking existing installs and never pushes out any
> version upgrade which bumps the soname and/or potentially breaks user
> configuration. 0.95 does both. So I think clamav will never be updated in
> Fedora 10. Fedora 11 already has 0.95. The only clamav updates issued after
> upstream stops producing point releases for the old version are security
> backports, usually by Thomas Hoger from the security team, and usually
> late. The maintainer doesn't even bother fixing critical security bugs.
> 
> Kevin Kofler
> 
Well clamav-0.95.1 also has the old milter source available for those
not wanting to update to the latest milter.  The only issue I've heard
with this is that compiling milter is not as straightforward if using
this approach.
If the maintainer is unable to unwilling to fix critical issues then
they really are not doing much more than compiling and packaging which
can easily be done in ones sleep.

James Kosin



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Re: Question about update of clamav

[James Kosin]

Steven W. Orr wrote:
> On Monday, Apr 13th 2009 at 15:34 -, quoth James Kosin:
> 
> =>Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:34:01
> =>From: James Kosin 
> =>Reply-To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using 
> Fedora."
> =>
> =>To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora."
> =>
> =>Subject: Re: Question about update of clamav
> =>
> =>Steven W. Orr wrote:
> =>> When I tried to update clamav using yum, it told me that I'm up to date.
> =>> I've got 0.94.2 and .95 is out. Should I expect this to be available
> =>> soon or how would this work?
> =>> 
> =>Questions:
> =>a)  What version of fedora? 8, 9, 10?
> =>b)  0.95 made significant changes to milter.  This may be the cause for
> =>the delay.  And there is no real threat for using 0.94.2 other than not
> =>being the latest release.
> =>
> =>James
> 
> Thanks. I am running F10 but I never really understood what the purpose of 
> the milter is. I am running with both the clamav milter as well as 
> spamass-milter. The spamass-milter rejects the mail before reception 
> completes. I'm not really sure what the clamav milter does. A very small 
> percentage of my email is caught by clamav and when it happens, I get the 
> message with some indicator that the virus was removed.
> 
> Also, I asked about all this because it complains so loudly when it starts 
> and when the nightly logs are run.
> 
clamav-milter is a mail filter that tries to scan incoming/outgoing mail
for viruses and other threats in the mail.  Clamav-Milter though doesn't
remove a virus, it should be stopping the mail message completely.  If
you are seeing a message saying the virus was removed then either you
are misreading the message or you have some other source scanning your
email for you as well.
I know it complains very LOUD when this happens.  My system has been
complaining for months now, but I finally took the plunge and managed to
get the clamav package the rework needed to get everything working.
I've been using FC1 since it came out and have been maintaining the
packages on the box for many years.

I'd give it a few more weeks or so before giving up hope though on the
community having a 0.95.1 release ready.

If you get tired, you can try the source package here to compile and
test on your system.  Though I'd keep a backup of the installation you
have, just in case.
http://support.intcomgrp.com/mirror/fedora-core/beta/src/clamav-0.95.1-0.0.fc1.src.rpm

James Kosin



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Re: Question about update of clamav

[James Kosin]

Steven W. Orr wrote:
> When I tried to update clamav using yum, it told me that I'm up to date.
> I've got 0.94.2 and .95 is out. Should I expect this to be available
> soon or how would this work?
> 
Questions:
a)  What version of fedora? 8, 9, 10?
b)  0.95 made significant changes to milter.  This may be the cause for
the delay.  And there is no real threat for using 0.94.2 other than not
being the latest release.

James



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Re: Goto [Was Re: Chown ???]

[James Kosin]

Dave Ihnat wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:07:00AM -0400, James Kosin wrote:
>> Actually, GOTO was very heavily in BASIC programming language.  There
>> was no idea of statement blocks back then.
>> It may be the only language at the time where it isn't considered taboo.
> 
> That's been a bone of contention for, literally now, decades.  "Goto"
> isn't _taboo_, as such.  It's misuse/overuse is taboo.
> 
> The purpose of deprecating use of goto was to avoid the spaghetti code
> that was so prevalent, especially in C.  HOWEVER, blind adherence to
> avoidance of the use of a strategically placed goto can result in
> equally obscure code.  This is typically seen in deeply nested if
> statements; I've seen nests 10 and 15-levels deep that would have been
> far more clear if a simple error-condition goto to the end of the nest
> had been implemented.
> 
> I remember a Master Chief Petty Officer in the Navy when I was a lowly
> Middie 3C.  He'd just done something that was Stricly Forbidden, and I
> asked him--very tentatively; you treat Master Chiefs with respect just
> below that of Captain, if that--if what he'd done was by the regs.
> 
> "Nope.  There are Rules, and they're good 'uns.  Follow them."
> 
> But...you just...
> 
> "Rules are good.  You gotta know when to follow 'em, and when not to.
> You don't know enough yet to know when not to follow 'em, so follow
> 'em."
> 
> It's been good advice for these past 30 years.
> 
> Cheers,
> --
>   Dave Ihnat
>   dih...@dminet.com
> 
I'm not implying GOTOs are acceptable.  I'm only pointing out back then
they were common place for a different reason.
BASIC didn't have a method to put more than 1 statement in an [ if then
else ] without using either GOSUB or GOTO in some way.

James



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Re: Chown ???

[James Kosin]

Tim wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 21:55 +0100, psmith wrote:
>> the first ever program being
>>
>> 10 print "phil is cool"
>> 20 goto 10
>> run
> 
> Blasphemer!  Stone him, stone him, he used a GOTO!  That word is
> forbidden and must never be uttered... ;-)
> 

Actually, GOTO was very heavily in BASIC programming language.  There
was no idea of statement blocks back then.
It may be the only language at the time where it isn't considered taboo.

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Re: Chown ???

[James Kosin]

psmith wrote:
> James Kosin wrote:
>> Rick Stevens wrote:
>>  
>>> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 11:19 -0400, Jim wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>> Rick Stevens wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim wrote:
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Rick Stevens wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 15:27 +, g wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> ttys
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 'b-'. you did not answer which model and usage of paper. :)
>>>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>> asr33, paper scroll :-)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ASR33s also had the paper tape punch and reader.  KSR33s did
>>>>>>>> not. I had both hooked up to my Altair 8800 back in '77 via 110
>>>>>>>> baud,
>>>>>>>> 20mA current
>>>>>>>> loop serial interfaces.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ah, memories!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>> ASR33 on  a Altair, that far back, You must be at least 100,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Smart*ss!  Nah, I was in college (sophmore).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> I started out on a RCA 1802 8 bit and I still have it.  I modified
>>>>>>> it to
>>>>>>> work on S100 bus so I could get more memory , 64k , man you were
>>>>>>> top dog with that kind of memory.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Only had 56K (seven 8KB RAM cards) and a nice 8K EPROM board (had
>>>>>> 1702A
>>>>>> PROMS on it) holding a monitor program.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer 
>>>>>> ri...@nerd.com -
>>>>>> - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo:
>>>>>> origrps2 -
>>>>>> -   
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> -   "I understand Windows 2000 has a Y2K
>>>>>> problem."   -
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   
>>>>> I don't think anything has had a fast pace change like the Computer.
>>>>> Then you had to really get into the nuts and bolts of a computer to
>>>>> get one working.
>>>>> I also still have a dual 8" floppy drive that was big back then.
>>>>> I can remember when the 3 1/2, 1.4mb floppy first came boy did that
>>>>> make a big difference.
>>>>> 
>>>> Dear me, all you youngsters prattling on about these new-fangled
>>>> "microprocessors". The first system I managed was a PDP-11/45.
>>>>   
>>> Got ya beat.  First managed a Univac (can't recall the model), moved to
>>> an S/360, Burroughs Medium System 12, Xerox Sigma 7, DG Nova 2/10, DEC
>>> PDP-8, PDP-11/45 and VAX 11/785, THEN got the Altairs and IMSAIs (and
>>> Amigas and clones and lions and tigers and bears, oh my!).
>>>
>>> And now, back to the real topic.  (What was it again? I forget...)
>>> -- Rick
>>>
>>> 
>> I'm enjoying all this reminiscing about old times.
>> When I was younger (a teen ager), my father bought our first computer.
>> A "Tandy Radio Shack Model I" computer.  It came with 8k of memory and a
>> tape device to save and load programs.  When available my father bought
>> the upgrades to expand to 64k of memory and several floppy drives.
>>
>> I learned how to program and write in BASIC and Assembly language for
>> the 8080...
>>
>> James
>>
>>   
> my first computer was a spektrum 48k, it used a casette tape for storage
> and had great games like jet set willy and saboteur, we also used one at
> primary school where i started to learn to program spektrum basic, the
> first ever program being
> 
> 10 print "phil is cool"
> 20 goto 10
> run
> 
> lol, and we also learned logo with the edinburgh turtle that used was to
> plot drawings on the floor that you had programmed in. so obviously i'm
> not as old as some of you but i' ve still been around a bit lol :D
> 
> phil
> 
I still remember the turtle programming language.  It was cool.
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Re: Chown ???

[James Kosin]

Jim wrote:
> Rick Stevens wrote:
>> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 11:19 -0400, Jim wrote:
 Rick Stevens wrote:
> Jim wrote:
>> Rick Stevens wrote:
>>> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 15:27 +, g wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>
>> ttys
> 'b-'. you did not answer which model and usage of paper. :)
 asr33, paper scroll :-)
>>> ASR33s also had the paper tape punch and reader.  KSR33s did
>>> not.  I had both hooked up to my Altair 8800 back in '77 via 110
>>> baud, 20mA current
>>> loop serial interfaces.
>>>
>>> Ah, memories!
>>>
>> ASR33 on  a Altair, that far back, You must be at least 100,
> Smart*ss!  Nah, I was in college (sophmore).
>
>> I started out on a RCA 1802 8 bit and I still have it.  I modified
>> it to
>> work on S100 bus so I could get more memory , 64k , man you were
>> top dog with that kind of memory.
> Only had 56K (seven 8KB RAM cards) and a nice 8K EPROM board (had
> 1702A
> PROMS on it) holding a monitor program.
> --
> - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer  ri...@nerd.com -
> - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 -
> --
> -   "I understand Windows 2000 has a Y2K problem."   -
> --
>
 I don't think anything has had a fast pace change like the Computer.
 Then you had to really get into the nuts and bolts of a computer to
 get one working.
 I also still have a dual 8" floppy drive that was big back then.
 I can remember when the 3 1/2, 1.4mb floppy first came boy did that
 make a big difference.
>>>
>>> Dear me, all you youngsters prattling on about these new-fangled
>>> "microprocessors". The first system I managed was a PDP-11/45.
>>
>> Got ya beat.  First managed a Univac (can't recall the model), moved to
>> an S/360, Burroughs Medium System 12, Xerox Sigma 7, DG Nova 2/10, DEC
>> PDP-8, PDP-11/45 and VAX 11/785, THEN got the Altairs and IMSAIs (and
>> Amigas and clones and lions and tigers and bears, oh my!).
>>
>> And now, back to the real topic.  (What was it again? I forget...)
>> -- Rick
>>
> I knew it , just give it time, and the BIG GUYS will  jump out of the
> Woodwork.
> Did you ever buy a Trash-80 ?
> 
YES.

TRS-80 Model I

Thanks, I knew I was missing something.
James



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Re: Chown ???

[James Kosin]

Rick Stevens wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 11:19 -0400, Jim wrote:
>>> Rick Stevens wrote:
 Jim wrote:
> Rick Stevens wrote:
>> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 15:27 +, g wrote:
 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

> ttys
 'b-'. you did not answer which model and usage of paper. :)
>>> asr33, paper scroll :-)
>> ASR33s also had the paper tape punch and reader.  KSR33s did not. 
>> I had both hooked up to my Altair 8800 back in '77 via 110 baud,
>> 20mA current
>> loop serial interfaces.
>>
>> Ah, memories!
>>
> ASR33 on  a Altair, that far back, You must be at least 100,
 Smart*ss!  Nah, I was in college (sophmore).

> I started out on a RCA 1802 8 bit and I still have it.  I modified
> it to
> work on S100 bus so I could get more memory , 64k , man you were
> top dog with that kind of memory.
 Only had 56K (seven 8KB RAM cards) and a nice 8K EPROM board (had 1702A
 PROMS on it) holding a monitor program.
 --
 - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer  ri...@nerd.com -
 - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 -
 --
 -   "I understand Windows 2000 has a Y2K problem."   -
 --

>>> I don't think anything has had a fast pace change like the Computer.
>>> Then you had to really get into the nuts and bolts of a computer to
>>> get one working.
>>> I also still have a dual 8" floppy drive that was big back then.
>>> I can remember when the 3 1/2, 1.4mb floppy first came boy did that
>>> make a big difference.
>>
>> Dear me, all you youngsters prattling on about these new-fangled
>> "microprocessors". The first system I managed was a PDP-11/45.
> 
> Got ya beat.  First managed a Univac (can't recall the model), moved to
> an S/360, Burroughs Medium System 12, Xerox Sigma 7, DG Nova 2/10, DEC
> PDP-8, PDP-11/45 and VAX 11/785, THEN got the Altairs and IMSAIs (and
> Amigas and clones and lions and tigers and bears, oh my!).
> 
> And now, back to the real topic.  (What was it again? I forget...)
> -- Rick
> 
I'm enjoying all this reminiscing about old times.
When I was younger (a teen ager), my father bought our first computer.
A "Tandy Radio Shack Model I" computer.  It came with 8k of memory and a
tape device to save and load programs.  When available my father bought
the upgrades to expand to 64k of memory and several floppy drives.

I learned how to program and write in BASIC and Assembly language for
the 8080...

James



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Re: rpmbuild question - follow on to gcc issues

[James Kosin]

homb...@tips-q.com wrote:
>> What is the Fedora way of dealing with this situation?
>>
> Once you modify a package your warranty is null and void ;-)
> 

Actually, there is NO WARRANTY of any sort.




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Re: Fresh install of Fedora 10 on an IBM 9123-710 & having problems with X11

[James Kosin]

Morris.Marshael wrote:
> This box does not have a video card and its monitor is a dump terminal
> connected through a hmc.
> 
> Can I configure X11 server to run so that my PC can access with exceed?
> 
> I have already run the yum update since the install to get the latest
> and greatest.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for your help,
> 
> Marshael A. Morris email:  
> morris.marsh...@mccg.org 
> 
> 353 First Street, Suite 100  phone:  (478) 633-2160
> 
> Macon, GA 31201  fax:   (478) 633-1546
> 
>  
> 
> mccg.org email firewall made the following annotation
> 
> 
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> The information transmitted in this e-mail message, including any attachments,
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> taking any
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No,
X11 needs a graphics card setup I believe to do what you are wanting.

James



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Re: service network restart won't run via su

[James Kosin]

Wade Hampton wrote:
> I upgraded a laptop from F8 to F9 and now have an issue
> If I log in as a normal use, open an xterm, then type su,
> I used to be able to run /sbin/service network restart
> Now it fails:
>   # /sbin/service network restart
>   env: /etc/init.d/network: Permission denied
> 
> I tried calling it directly:
>   # /etc/init.d/network status
>   bash: /etc/init.d/network: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied
> 
> However, I can still run it as:
>   /bin/bash /etc/init.d/network status
> 
> Any ideas?
> --
> Wade Hampton
> 
Wade,

I believe this may be because you didn't use the 'su -' command.

The '-' tells su to import the users profile properties as well.

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Re: Freeze SO Linux, it's possible?

[James Kosin]

Carlos Carrero Gutierrez wrote:
> Hi, i would like to freeze my linux in order to freeze the OS, then,
> when I reboot the computer all changes that i made in the computer
> dissapears and it returns to the previous OS freezed.
> 
> In windows there is something similar, called "Deep Freeze" (it's
> freeware).
> 
> Somebody could help me? 
> 
> Thank you very much, I appreciate your help.
> 
Deep Freeze is also available for Linux



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Re: script help

[James Kosin]

adrian kok wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I have script to remove files but it can't work in
> directory
> 
> 
> ls *log | sort -r | sed -e 1,1d | xargs rm -f
> 
> those folders are:
> 
> Nov28-log
> Nov29-log
> Nov30-log
> 
> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com 
> 
You have to change the rm command to use '-rf' instead of '-f'
But, I'd make sure the script is doing what you want before modifying this.

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Re: 16GB USB Drive Not Accessible

[James Kosin]

Christopher A. Williams wrote:
> I recently bought a snazzy new 16GB USB pen drive from the local store -
> it was only $29! I have several drives that are 8GB and smaller from the
> same store that are the same brand.
> 
> Imagine my surprise when:
> * The 16GB drive is not accessible on either F9 or F10 Snap 3
> * The 8GB drives all work just fine on both F9 and F10 Snap 3
> * The 16GB drive works fine on Windows XP
> * The 16GB drive also works on a Windows XP VM running on top of F9!!!
> 
> I can only conclude from this that something is a miss that causes F9 to
> not be able to access and use USB pen drives that are bigger than 8GB,
> and that this most likely has something to do with a file system driver
> or such.
> 
> Anyone else seen this yet? Is there a fix / work-around?
> 
> Here's the dmesg output for those who might be interested:
> 
> ==
> usb 1-2.3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 13
> usb 1-2.3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
> scsi1264 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
> usb-storage: device found at 13
> usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
> usb 1-2.3: New USB device found, idVendor=090c, idProduct=1000
> usb 1-2.3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
> usb 1-2.3: Product: USB Flash Drive
> usb 1-2.3: Manufacturer: USB 2.0
> usb 1-2.3: SerialNumber: AA200306
> usb-storage: device scan complete
> scsi 1264:0:0:0: Direct-Access USB 2.0  USB Flash Drive  1100 PQ: 0
> ANSI: 0 CCS
> sd 1264:0:0:0: [sdb] 31326208 512-byte hardware sectors (16039 MB)
> sd 1264:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
> sd 1264:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 43 00 00 00
> sd 1264:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
> sd 1264:0:0:0: [sdb] 31326208 512-byte hardware sectors (16039 MB)
> sd 1264:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
> sd 1264:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 43 00 00 00
> sd 1264:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
>  sdb: sdb1
> sd 1264:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
> sd 1264:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 0
> ata5.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x6 frozen
> ata5.00: cmd a0/00:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 tag 0
>  cdb 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
>  res 40/00:03:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 Emask 0x4 (timeout)
> ata5.00: status: { DRDY }
> ata5: soft resetting link
> ata5: nv_mode_filter: 0x1&0x1f01f->0x1, BIOS=0x1f000 (0xc500)
> ACPI=0x1f01f (30:600:0x13)
> ata5.00: configured for PIO0
> ata5: EH complete
> ==
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
Chris,

Looks good.  Did you try mounting the drive and see if you can get a
directory list?

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Re: Package Rebuilding

[James Kosin]

Todd Zullinger wrote:
> James Kosin wrote:
>> When you build a new package (say for postgresql) and you are
>> leaping version number, say from 7.x to 8.x, How do you go about
>> updating the other dependencies (other packages that require a
>> library in 7.x) that doesn't exist in the new package?  Without
>> completely scrubbing the other packages and rebuilding them
>> afterwards that is.
> 
> If there are packages that truly require postgresql 7.x, then you will
> need to rebuild them if you update to postgresql 8.x.  If these
> packages have a bogus requirement on postgresql 7.x and they really
> don't need it, then file bugs.
> 
> Odds are though that the requirements are on the postgresql libraries
> and they really are needed.
> 
>> Maybe another way:  Can you specify the postgresql path while
>> building new rpms for the dependent packages, so they see the new
>> package libraries instead of the old?  Without either forcing the
>> install of the new package, or uninstalling all the dependent
>> packages then rebuilding.
> 
> You could possibly build the new packages with a different name, like
> postgresql8.  You would also probably need to change the location that
> the libraries and perhaps even binaries were installed as well.  This
> may or may not be an easy task.  I've not built or looked at the
> postgresql sources myself.
> 
> Fedora does ship some libraries and programs like this.  Two examples
> I can think of are gnupg and gnupg2, and db4 and compat-db.  There
> generally need to be pretty good reasons to do this though, and simply
> avoiding rebuilding dependent applications isn't good enough for
> Fedora. ;)
> 
> 
Thanks for the input.
I guess I have a lot of work ahead if I want to switch from postgresql
7.x -> 8.x versions.
I got 8.x to compile.. build.. and package...
Only problem I have is :
> error: Failed dependencies:
> libpq.so.3 is needed by (installed) perl-DBD-Pg-2.10.7-0.0.fc1.i386
> libpq.so.3 is needed by (installed) postgresql-tcl-7.4.22-0.0.fc1.i386
> libpq.so.3 is needed by (installed) mrproject-0.10-1.i386
> libpq.so.3 is needed by (installed) xemacs-21.4.14-3.i386
> libpq.so.3 is needed by (installed) mod_auth_pgsql-2.0.3-0.fc1.i386
> libpq.so.3 is needed by (installed) libmrproject-0.10-3.i386
> libpq.so.3 is needed by (installed) 
> gnucash-backend-postgres-1.8.8-1.i386
> libpq.so.3 is needed by (installed) qt-PostgreSQL-3.1.2-14.2.i386
> libpq.so.3 is needed by (installed) 
> freeradius-postgresql-1.0.1-0.FC1.5.legacy.i386
> libpq.so.3 is needed by (installed) 
> php-pgsql-4.3.11-1.fc1.6.legacy.i386
> libpq.so.3 is needed by (installed) libdbi-dbd-pgsql-0.6.5-7.i386
when I try to install the new packages I created.

I was kind of hoping there was a trick to be able to get the new
packages built for this dependency and still keep the system up and
running the current postgresql server.  But, I guess I'm living a dream.

James



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Package Rebuilding

[James Kosin]

Ok,

I have a question:
  When you build a new package (say for postgresql) and you are leaping
version number, say from 7.x to 8.x, How do you go about updating the
other dependencies (other packages that require a library in 7.x) that
doesn't exist in the new package?  Without completely scrubbing the
other packages and rebuilding them afterwards that is.

  Maybe another way:  Can you specify the postgresql path while building
new rpms for the dependent packages, so they see the new package
libraries instead of the old?  Without either forcing the install of the
new package, or uninstalling all the dependent packages then rebuilding.

Am I making sense...

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Re: Fedora-10 problems

[James Kosin]

Timothy Murphy wrote:
> James Kosin wrote:
> 
>>> I tried installing F-10 from the hard disk
>>> on my Thinkpad T43
>>> but came up against two major impediments:
>>>
>>> 1. The cursor is not visible.
>>> Occasionally something lights up, to show where the cursor is
>>> (eg when specifying one's location),
>>> but on other occasions it does not seem to be active at all
>>> (eg when nominating partitions for / , etc).
>>>
>>> 2. The display extends below the bottom of my screen,
>>> and there seems to be no way of moving to the bottom,
>>> where the "Continue" button is hidden.
>>> I can move on by pressing TAB several times
>>> and guessing where I have got to.
>>> Quite often I hit the Back button by mistake,
>>> which is rather annoying.
>>>
>>> [It does not seem possible to move the display
>>> holding down Alt-Left button.]
>>>
>>> Anyone come across these problems with F-10?
>>>
>>>
>> Sounds like you need to change the screen resolution to a resolution
>> supported by your laptops Flat-Panel-Display.
> 
> 
> Really?
> The laptop works perfectly with Fedora-9,
> as also with all previous Fedora's.
> Also works fine with Windows XP.
> 
> How should I change the resolution under Fedora-10,
> as a matter of interest, since it is not installed?
> 
Ok, now I got you.  You mean the install CD is choosing the wrong
resolution; so, you can't install FC-10.
Anyone know if "Do they still provide the text-only install option on
FC-10?"

James



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Re: Fedora-10 problems

[James Kosin]

Timothy Murphy wrote:
> I tried installing F-10 from the hard disk
> on my Thinkpad T43
> but came up against two major impediments:
> 
> 1. The cursor is not visible.
> Occasionally something lights up, to show where the cursor is
> (eg when specifying one's location),
> but on other occasions it does not seem to be active at all
> (eg when nominating partitions for / , etc).
> 
> 2. The display extends below the bottom of my screen,
> and there seems to be no way of moving to the bottom,
> where the "Continue" button is hidden.
> I can move on by pressing TAB several times
> and guessing where I have got to.
> Quite often I hit the Back button by mistake,
> which is rather annoying.
> 
> [It does not seem possible to move the display
> holding down Alt-Left button.]
> 
> Anyone come across these problems with F-10?
> 
> 
Sounds like you need to change the screen resolution to a resolution
supported by your laptops Flat-Panel-Display.

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Re: FireFox 3 EULA

[James Kosin]

Everyone,

Maybe as a compromise, Mozilla (Firefox) could tie the pop-up to the
first use of the security feature and not to the start of the application.
This way distributions that didn't want the pop-up could disable the
features in the default configuration before firefox starts.  And when
the user enabled the security feature the pop-up is back.

The EULA also would need to be trimmed as stated before in this tread to
 simply provide the required information about the privacy and the
purposes of the new services being enabled.

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Re: fedora-list Digest, Vol 55, Issue 100

[James Kosin]

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 22:57 +0930, Tim wrote:
>> On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 07:59 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>> stop copying the whole digest in your posts
>> If it's technical possible for *this* list server to automatically
>> reject quoted digest replies, I'd like to see it done.
> 
> +1, but it could be tricky to pull off reliably.
> 
> poc
> 
+1, though it may be easier to just limit the size of the message to say
5-10k in size.

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Re: ftp passive connection timing out

[James Kosin]

rfjones wrote:
> I update my server to f9; client is f8
> my ftp no longer works; I get following error trying to put get or ls:
> 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,253,12,152,205).
> ftp: connect: Connection timed out
> 
> an f9 client can connect without errors
> I have not changed the f8 ftp client after updating the server to f9
> any help would be greatly appreciated
> TIA
> rfjones
> 
> 
If you have a firewall setup, it can mess with passive ftp transfers.

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Re: Backup Server RAID Suggestions - Resend

[James Kosin]

Mike McMullen wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I am trying to build a NAS server based on Fedora 9.
> 
> I will be using a de-branded HP Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core with 2GB RAM and
> two 250GB drives mirrored for the OS stuff and a few apps.
> 
> I would like to add some type of raid storage box to it with about 5 1TB
> drives using raid 5 unless there is something better.
> 
> I want to use the system for photography work flow and backing up a few
> Windows systems.
> 
> My questions are as follows:
> 
> 1. What is an inexpensive external RAID storage box to go with?
Really depends on hardware or software RAID and they very greatly.
There are also IDE vs SCSI issues and the newer SATA.

> 2. What is a good inexpensive RAID controller to go with?
I'd suggest going with Adaptec.  But only because I've used them before.

> 3. S/W RAID vs HW RAID? Which is the most reliable way to go?
HW RAID would be more reliable; but, SW RAID more flexible.  You have to
determine your specific requirements.

> 4. Are there ways to do full backups of windows boxes and restore a
> complete bootable drive from the Linux box?
Depends, but this isn't really the job for the RAID storage.  RAID
storage provides redundant backups for the system supplying the RAID
storage and not usually for remote systems.  This is for other
technology like imaging software and the like.

> 5. What is the largest file system Fedora 9 can support?
Depends on 64-bit vs 32-bit processors.

> 6. Are there performance hits for large file systems?
Yes, but like everything you have to weight the good and bad and
determine your needs.  If keeping backups is really important,
performance should be last on your scale... and if performance is an
issue, it should be first on your scale... but usually cost goes up with
performance these days.
> 
> Thanks so much in advance!
> 
> Mike
> 
> 

Good Luck Mike,
James Kosin
> 
> 




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Re: fc9 install

[James Kosin]

Paul Newell wrote:
 From reading the fc docs, it appears that this is the mailing list to 
send questions about installation of fedora core (in the case, FC9).


Before I send email, I want to make sure I have the right mailing list 
and, if not, would please ask for advice about which mailing list I 
should be communicating with


Thanks,
Paul


No, this is the right place, ask..

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Re: How to patch Fedora Core 2 Bind RPM?

[James Kosin]

John Smith wrote:
I have a Fedora Core 2 box that is running BIND 9.2.3-13 and I want to 
update to the latest patch due to the DNS issue. How can I upgrade my 
RPM install? Is there an RPM that is independent of the  Fedora OS?


Or is it possible to compile and use the patch installed from source 
overtop my RPM?


Any help would be great.

Thanks.


You can try to build from my RPM.
I build RPMs for my FC1 box and do have the update for BIND.

http://beta.intcomgrp.com/~jkosin

Click on the source found here link and download the bind-xxx.src.rpm.

or just here:
http://support.intcomgrp.com/mirror/fedora-core/beta/src/bind-9.4.2-0.2.fc1.src.rpm

Good Luck,
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Re: DNS Attacks

[James Kosin]

Les Mikesell wrote:

bruce wrote:
As I understand the issue. The issue is one of being able to poison 
the DNS
app on the DNS server. There's not really much the casual user can do, 
aside
from switching to another DNS/IP address that's safe. But the rub is, 
do you

really know if the DNS/IP you're switching to is safe!


If you are really paranoid (or about to do large transactions on what 
you hope is your banking site), you could do a 'whois' lookup for the 
target domain to find their own name servers and send a query directly 
there for the target site.


The best approach, would probably be a system to allow you to poll a 
few DNS
servers, and to take the returned ip address that comes back from the 
most
of them as the "correct" ip address!! but this isn't implemented 
anywhere as

far as i know


dig @dns_server target_name
will send a query to a specified DNS resolver.  Most public-facing 
servers will only resolve the names of their own zones, especially now. 
 I think the current vulnerability only involves cached addresses for 
which the server is not primary or secondary.



BUT, here is the really BAD news:
a)  99.9% of the internet is really a cached service.  The only true DNS 
entries are on the name servers that originated the DNS entry.  This is 
why when you put up a new domain they suggest waiting about 3-4 days for 
the internet to propagate the DNS names.  The information trickles down 
the DNS servers until everyone has the corrected information or update.


b)  If the DNS is corrupted you can't rely on the DNS resolver to be 
pointing to the correct IP.!!  You could be digging on the phishing site 
and they would be reporting false and bad information to you so they can 
scam you of your passwords and/or money.


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Re: DNS Attacks

[James Kosin]

Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:

James Kosin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

   client 143.215.143.11 query (cache) 'com/ANY/IN' denied: 30 Time(s)
   client 143.215.143.11 query (cache) 'gmail.com/ANY/IN' denied: 32
Time(s)
   client 143.215.143.11 query (cache) 'hotmail.com/ANY/IN' denied: 31


Thanks for posting.  Maybe this will light a fire under the folks that
haven't upgraded yet.

Did you have to turn any extra logging on to get these message?

-wolfgang
No, these are sent every day by logwatch.  I'm running a server 24/7; so 
logwatch runs as a cronjob.


But, the patches out don't fix the issue totally.  That would require a 
complete re-write of the DNS and how DNS works.  This is something 
already in the works.
The patch just makes it more difficult to trigger the issue.  I'm using 
the patched version of 9.4.2-P1.


Just look at your root email, if you check it or leave the computer ON 24/7.

James



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Re: DNS Attacks

[James Kosin]

Jim van Wel wrote:

Zhe zombies are coming But we are all aware of this fact after release
of the patch ;)

Greetings,
Jim.



I know; but there is always somebody who always says, "It won't happen 
to me."  And sadly they usually never learn their lesson even if 
repeated multiple times.
I attached a snippet of a log to show how serious it really is.  The 
pishing people can use this as a back door to all web-sites.


All they have to do is find one site to push invalid DNS entries on 
others and the pollution begins.


James



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DNS Attacks

[James Kosin]

Everyone,

The DNS attacks are starting!!!
Below is a snippet of a logwatch from last night.  Be sure all DNS 
servers are updated if at all possible.  The spooks are out in full on 
this security vulnerability in force.


THIS IS YOUR LAST WARNING...!!!
Patch or Upgrade NOW!

James Kosin
A long time Fedora / Redhat / Linux user



   client 143.215.143.11 query (cache) 'com/ANY/IN' denied: 30 Time(s)
   client 143.215.143.11 query (cache) 'gmail.com/ANY/IN' denied: 32 
Time(s)
   client 143.215.143.11 query (cache) 'hotmail.com/ANY/IN' denied: 31 
Time(s)

   client 143.215.143.11 query (cache) 'net/ANY/IN' denied: 30 Time(s)
   client 143.215.143.11 query (cache) 'nosuch.domain/ANY/IN' denied: 
30 Time(s)
   client 143.215.143.11 query (cache) 'search.live.com/ANY/IN' denied: 
30 Time(s)
   client 143.215.143.11 query (cache) 'www.ebay.com/ANY/IN' denied: 31 
Time(s)
   client 143.215.143.11 query (cache) 'www.facebook.com/ANY/IN' 
denied: 30 Time(s)
   client 143.215.143.11 query (cache) 'www.gmail.com/ANY/IN' denied: 
30 Time(s)
   client 143.215.143.11 query (cache) 'www.google.com/ANY/IN' denied: 
30 Time(s)
   client 143.215.143.11 query (cache) 'www.live.com/ANY/IN' denied: 30 
Time(s)
   client 143.215.143.11 query (cache) 'www.microsoft.com/ANY/IN' 
denied: 30 Time(s)
   client 143.215.143.11 query (cache) 'www.msn.com/ANY/IN' denied: 30 
Time(s)
   client 143.215.143.11 query (cache) 'www.myspace.com/ANY/IN' denied: 
30 Time(s)
   client 143.215.143.11 query (cache) 'www.wachovia.com/ANY/IN' 
denied: 30 Time(s)
   client 143.215.143.11 query (cache) 'www.wamu.com/ANY/IN' denied: 30 
Time(s)
   client 143.215.143.11 query (cache) 'www.yahoo.com/ANY/IN' denied: 
30 Time(s)
   client 143.215.143.11 query (cache) 'yahoo.com/ANY/IN' denied: 30 
Time(s)




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Re: Fedora / RHE compatibility

[James Kosin]

Rex Dieter wrote:

Maccy wrote:

  

Giuseppe Sarno wrote:



  

But I would like to know (if possible and it's a legit question) what
would be the closest fedora distro match for :
lsb_release -a
Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS release 4 (Nahant Update 6)
  


  

Fedora 6



I don't think that's right.  Afaik,
RHEL 5 was based loosely on FC-6
RHEL 4 was based loosely on FC-3

-- Rex

  

Heck, I was going to reply with FC-2 or FC-3 based on the kernel version.

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Re: Memory, swap, and limits

[James Kosin]

Bruno Wolff III wrote:

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 09:56:25 -0400,
  James Kosin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  
  
  
Having TOO much swap space can be a detriment and not an asset.   
Usually, the rule of thumb I go by is allocate about 2x the amount of  
physical memory installed on the system; for machines with < 1M.  This  
number will need to approach more or less 1x for machines with 1-2M.   
With machines with > 2M; I'm not sure swap space will make much of a  
difference, unless you rely on X heavily.



Presumably you mean Gigabytes above as there haven't been desktop machines
with memory on the order of 1 megabyte in about 15 years.

There are other factors in this. If you turn off overcommit you need to
have swap space available to back memory that may be allocated but not
really being used. So rules of thumb using ratios may not always be
applicable.

  

Sorry, I'm a bit dated and now I've probably revealed my age.
I've been around since the first personal computers and remember when 
64K was considered a LOT of memory.


James



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Re: Memory, swap, and limits

[James Kosin]

Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:

James Kosin wrote:
Having TOO much swap space can be a detriment and not an asset.  
Usually, the rule of thumb I go by is allocate about 2x the amount of 
physical memory installed on the system; for machines with < 1M.  
This number will need to approach more or less 1x for machines with 
1-2M.  With machines with > 2M; I'm not sure swap space will make 
much of a difference, unless you rely on X heavily.


James

I have never head of a problem of having too much swap space. What 
kind of problems does it cause? I know you get system slowdown if you 
are doing too much swapping, but that is a different problem from 
having too much swap space.


Mikkel

Ok,

(1) The operating system has to manage the swap space like it manages 
memory space and allocation.  The swap space is a big area that has to 
be divided up just like the RAM.  The OS uses what is commonly called a 
page table to accomplish this.
(2)  As the memory and or swap space gets used and divided up with the 
applications this page table gets larger and larger  (don't worry, there 
is a limit).


Here is were it takes some understanding, I'm lacking at the moment.  To 
keep track of everything we have a single page table and a bit 
determines if we are talking about physical memory or swap memory.  In 
the OS; everything (or almost so) uses this page table to look up 
virtual addresses and maps them to physical addresses.  If the address 
is in swap space then a disk access is needed to get to the data; 
weather it pages the application back to physical RAM at this point is 
really up to the OS, some do and some don't.
This page table has to reside in PHYSICAL RAM somewhere usually to keep 
the access time down to a reasonable level.  If the page table grows too 
large you get issues with the table and lookup issues.


James



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Re: Memory, swap, and limits

[James Kosin]

Beartooth Sciurivore wrote:
	Every new computer I've yet had has begun slowing down soon after 
I get it -- probably because I keep several browsers open, with from 
several to many tabs each. I've learned long since to make sure each 
machine has all the memory it can handle from the git-go, before it ever 
reaches my house. And every time I do an install, when I get to 
anaconda's partitioning stage, I try to triple the swap; it always 
refuses.


	Yet the little bar graph that Gnome's System Monitor (2.22.2 on 
the present F9 machine; probably the same on all the rest -- I always 
upgrade early) puts on my panel seldom shows a total of memory and swap 
together much less than 95% in use.


	Otoh, I've never gotten anywhere near filling up a hard drive, 
except once when I had a testbed machine triple booting three different 
distros. So why can't I at least increase the swap space? 

  
Having TOO much swap space can be a detriment and not an asset.  
Usually, the rule of thumb I go by is allocate about 2x the amount of 
physical memory installed on the system; for machines with < 1M.  This 
number will need to approach more or less 1x for machines with 1-2M.  
With machines with > 2M; I'm not sure swap space will make much of a 
difference, unless you rely on X heavily.


James



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Re: Option --force for cp

[James Kosin]

wwp wrote:

Hello James,


On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:43:48 -0400 James Kosin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

Luc MAIGNAN wrote:


Hi,

I definitively can't force cp to override existing files without > asking 
confirmation.

According to documentation , I try :

cp -r --force src/file1 ./

but always a confirmation is asked...


What's wrong ?

  

'cp -r --reply=yes src/file1 ./'

This will work...  Check out the man pages for cp or even cp --help



I couldn't find any reference to 'reply' in both `cp --help` and `man
cp` here (coreutils-6.9-17.fc8). What version is yours?

Moreover:

 $ cp --reply=yes
 cp: the --reply option is deprecated; use -i or -f instead
 cp: missing file operand
 Try `cp --help' for more information.

That last advice is still pertinent, James ;-). Now, what cp does Luc have?


Regards,

  

-bash-2.05b$ rpm -q coreutils
coreutils-5.0-34.1

I didn't think they would make so many changes to the core utilities.  
I've been using FC1 for years now and haven't had any problems or issues.


James



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Re: Option --force for cp

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Luc MAIGNAN wrote:

Hi,

I definitively can't force cp to override existing files without 
asking confirmation.


According to documentation , I try :

cp -r --force src/file1 ./

but always a confirmation is asked...


What's wrong ?


'cp -r --reply=yes src/file1 ./'

This will work...  Check out the man pages for cp or even cp --help




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