Re: TV over the internet
Bryn M. Reeves wrote: >> I'd love to see a posting from someone who has abandoned >> the traditional TV set in favour of the (Fedora) computer. > > I've not owned a broadcast TV in more than 7 years. For a lot of that > time, I just didn't watch the stuff. > > Since the BBC iPlayer (I'm in the UK) moved to a format I can view on > Fedora (OK.. Flash, so still not ideal! :) I find I watch rather a lot > of TV on my living room PC! Thanks for your response. I guess iPlayer is exactly what I'm looking for, but unfortunately it is restricted to UK residents. I did wonder if I could use my son, in Cardiff, to re-send the stream over to me in Dublin (or Italy)? Could I do that without using up all his bandwidth? It would be nice if there was a way to start with a UK IP address, and then change to a foreign one? > Nowadays, Chanel4 and 5 also have online content I can watch happily on > Fedora. What application do you use to watch Channels 4 and 5? I take it they don't come through the iPlayer? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: TV over the internet
Rich Bishop wrote: > In case something non-junk comes on - the STV catchup player ( > http://video.stv.tv/bc/ ) is flash, and so can be used with Fedora. Thanks, that looks interesting ... -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: TV over the internet
Ed Greshko wrote: >> I've read lots of online postings about people >> who are apparently watching TV on their computers, >> but I haven't seen a concrete description of what to do. >> >> I'd love to see a posting from someone who has abandoned >> the traditional TV set in favour of the (Fedora) computer. >> > Kind of a broad question such that there are multiple answers Thanks for your response. To clarify my query, I was not asking about TV cards in the computer. > Are you simply talking about watching ones local TV stations or cable > content on their system. i.e. The system has a TV Tuner card connected > to either ant or cable? > > Are you talking about something a bit more complex where they still have > the one system with the TV tuner card, but they are using something like > vlc and streaming the content either to their local lan or the internet? > Are you talking about people connecting with the likes of hulu.com or > www.justin.tv ? I looked at these (well, hulu.com seems restricted to the US), but they both seem to be offering videos on line, rather than TV. > Or maybe evening something like "Slingbox"...use to...but no longer will > work wine. I have actually tried Slingbox, but not with great success. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
TV over the internet
I've read lots of online postings about people who are apparently watching TV on their computers, but I haven't seen a concrete description of what to do. I'd love to see a posting from someone who has abandoned the traditional TV set in favour of the (Fedora) computer. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Preupgrade F11 -> F12 Not Working
Eric Mesa wrote: > Any ideas? I'd like to upgrade to F12 to get the latest software. A full > reinstall is my absolute last option. Why? In my view, by far the best option is to install F-12 on another partition, if you have one. (With the enormous disks in use today, this must be the usual situation.) And in my experience, the easiest way to install is to run the KDE Live CD (or probably the other Live CD), perhaps on a memory stick, and then click on the "Install on Hard Disk" (and choose "Custom Install" to avoid the crazy default installation). The trouble with preupgrade is that if it doesn't work, which is all too likely, it leaves the machine in a halfway state. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Very BAD preupgrade experience.
Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > It's too late now, but Michael Chronenworth posted a much simpler > solution to preupgrade's /boot space problem. He moved install.img > from /boot to a thumb drive. When anaconda doesn't find it in /boot, it > asks for its location. Point anaconda to the thumb drive and the upgrade > will proceed without a hitch. I assumed install.img had to be in /boot , for some reason. If it doesn't have to be there, it seems a crazy decision to try to install a file in a partition that manifestly won't hold it in many, if not most, cases. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Booting Fedora-12 from hard disk, again, again
Rick Stevens wrote: >> I actually found the reference above slightly confusing, >> because it is not clear to me what is meant by >> "the installation image for Fedora" that is referred to. >> Does this mean the file install.img or the Fedora ISO? > > "the installation image for Fedora" is the .iso file, when doing the > install from hard disk or network. It's the CD, DVD or thumb drive you > booted from when using that a "distribution media" method. Thanks. But since there actually is a file called install.img involved centrally in this process, to use the term "installation image" for another file seems bound to cause confusion. Why not just call it the ISO file, or .iso file? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: grub configuration, boot.
Dj YB wrote: >> If you run in a root terminal session the commands >> >> fdisk -l >> >> to see exactly what the device names are. Then run >> >> vol_id -u /dev/sdXn >> >> Where X is the drive and n is the partition number. You will get the >> UUID >> for the partitions. You can then edit /boot/grub/grub.conf and make the >> kernel line specify explicitly the partitions you want to use with the >> syntax >> >> root=UUID=... Is it necessary to do this? I think grub will still accept the old /dev names, eg "root=/dev/sda6". -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Booting Fedora-12 from hard disk, again, again
jackson byers wrote: >>In the first place, I would have thought that almost anyone doing this >>would want to (or need to) avoid CDs or DVDs altogether, >>by abstracting vmlinuz, initrd.img and the images directory >>from the ISO file, >>and adding a stanza to grub.conf to boot from these. > >>There are no instructions for doing this, as far as I can see. > > Well, you seem to have figured it out, congrats! > May I ask, just where did you find the instructions re install.img,? I think I first came across it when installing Fedora-10, which I believe was the first distribution where it was necessary to abstract install.img as well as vmlinuz and initrd.img . I guess I would first have read of it here, in a posting to this list/newsgroup. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Booting Fedora-12 from hard disk, again, again
jackson byers wrote: >> There's no actual restriction on just where the ISO image itself is, so >> long as you can feed the full path to Anaconda by specifying the device >> and directory on that device (see >> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f12/en-US/html/s1- begininstall-hd-x86.html >> for details). > > Agreed, and that is the best reference I was looking again at this reference, and I really don't think it is very good, or likely to be helpful to someone trying to boot from hard disk. In the first place, I would have thought that almost anyone doing this would want to (or need to) avoid CDs or DVDs altogether, by abstracting vmlinuz, initrd.img and the images directory from the ISO file, and adding a stanza to grub.conf to boot from these. There are no instructions for doing this, as far as I can see. The implication seems to be that the user is running a Fedora CD or DVD, and then wants to install from hard disk, which seems bizarre to me. If you can boot from CD or DVD, why not install that way? Actually, the whole Installation Guide, while beautifully produced and full of interesting information, strikes me as more or less useless for anyone actually wanting to install Fedora. I get the impression the authors have never put themselves in the position of a likely reader of the Guide, who is almost certainly asking, "I want to install Fedora. What should I do?" -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Booting Fedora-12 from hard disk, again, again
jackson byers wrote: > Rick, > My interpretation of what the OP is trying to do is different than yours: > He is trying to do a > "hard disk" install of f12, operating from his current fedora(f11?). That is correct. (I am the OP.) > This "hard disk" install requires having an available partition > completely separate from his current fedora. > There is no notion, afaik, of > "install a new Fedora on top of an already running Fedora" > as you put it, whatever you might mean by "on top of". > > This "hard disk" install does point to the f12 iso, > but it also requires extracting the vmlinuz, initrd.img, and install.img > from the iso, which i think requires doing the loopback mount. > The install.img is placed in a "images" directory. > There are strict requirements on where that images dir is to be placed; > I am not sure, but i think the OP did this part correctly. > Where he might be going wrong is how he interacts with Anaconda, > as I tried to explain in my earlier reply As I mentioned in a post above, this worked fine when I moved the Fedora ISO and the images directory to the top level on another partition. I'm not sure what I did wrong before. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Booting Fedora-12 from hard disk, again, again
jackson byers wrote: > yes, but afaik the OP is not trying to "upgrade" or "update" F11. > Rather he is using F11 and the F12 iso, (no LiveCD, no thumbdrive) > and following the "hard disk" install procedure for F12. > F11 is left entirely unchanged. > When complete he will still have his orig F11, and also > a brand new F12 in a separate partition. > >> rick stevens: >> There's no actual restriction on just where the ISO image itself is, so >> long as you can feed the full path to Anaconda by specifying the device >> and directory on that device (see >> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f12/en-US/html/s1- begininstall-hd-x86.html >> for details). > > Agreed, and that is the best reference As the OP, I managed in the end to install Fedora-12 from the hard disk, by adding a suitable entry in grub.conf . I'm not sure what I did wrong before, but finally I moved the Fedora ISO and the images directory to the top level on another partition, and all went well. I actually found the reference above slightly confusing, because it is not clear to me what is meant by "the installation image for Fedora" that is referred to. Does this mean the file install.img or the Fedora ISO? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Booting Fedora-12 from hard disk, again, again
I'm taking the liberty of re-posting this query, as there seemed some problems with the previous posting, hopefully now resolved: Has anyone actually succeeded in booting Fedora-12 from the DVD ISO file on the hard disk, by adding a stanza to grub.conf ? I carried out the following commands: - [...@alfred ~]$ sudo mkdir /mnt/Fedora [...@alfred ~]$ sudo mount -o loop Fedora-12-i386-DVD.iso /mnt/Fedora/ [...@alfred ~]$ ls /mnt/Fedora/isolinux/ boot.cat boot.msg grub.conf initrd.img isolinux.bin isolinux.cfg splash.jpg TRANS.TBL vesamenu.c32 vmlinuz [...@alfred ~]$ ls /mnt/Fedora/images/ efiboot.img efidisk.img install.img pxeboot README TRANS.TBL [...@alfred ~]$ mkdir images [...@alfred ~]$ cp -a /mnt/Fedora/images/install.img images/ [...@alfred ~]$ sudo mkdir /boot/Fedora-12 [...@alfred ~]$ sudo cp -a /mnt/Fedora/isolinux/* /boot/Fedora-12/ - This is the entry I have added to /etc/grub.conf : - title Upgrade to Fedora-12 root (hd0,1) kernel /Fedora-12/vmlinuz ro initrd /Fedora-12/initrd.img - Now when I boot into this, all goes well until I try to install from Fedora-12*.iso when I the error "Device /dev/sda6 does not appear to contain an installation image". Am I doing something wrong? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 8 GB Flash drive formatted at 3.7 GB
Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: >> Just a side note. >> At least where I lives, in Asia South countries, we found some bogus >> China made USB flash disk, which claims a certain size when being >> plugged into the Windows the 1st time. Then when we want to re-partition >> or trying to fill it up to its declared capacity, the ugly head arise. >> Kingston and Sandisk are the most targeted brands for these fake. > That's interesting. Forgeries like that are not well known here in North > America. It could certainly be a plausible explanation for Marcel's > trouble. Thanks for sharing this information. Yes, I bought one on eBay a year or so ago, from Hong Kong. It claims to be 8GB, but only has 1GB. It was very cheap, so I didn't complain. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: To Timothy Murphy
Andras Simon wrote: > I don't think you can tweak gmail's spam filter. Not directly, anyway. > I always check Timothy Murphy's mails that gmail labels as spam as > "not spam", hoping to teach it that they're not. I fully expect to see > a change in gmail's behaviour in a few thousand years (provided, of > course, that TM at least keeps up his the present day rate of > postings). I must devise a cronjob to continue posting after my demise. I suspect I am being punished for criticising Them - the powers that be in the Fedora empire. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Upgrading with preupgrade: flawless!
Clark Martin wrote: >> I can tell you that upgrading with preupgrade from Fedora 11 to 12 is >> much simpler. Is there any simple way of running preupgrade so that it puts the new system in a different partition? I guess I could I copy the old system to the new partition and then run preupgrade? But is there a better way? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: To Timothy Murphy
Marcel Rieux wrote: > All your messages at gmail end up in my spam folder with the following > mention: Sad but perhaps ordained by a higher power ... > Warning: This message may not be from whom it claims to be. Beware of > following any links in it or of providing the sender with any personal > information. Learn more I suspect the reason may be that I mix up two email addresses. The reason I do this is that it is the only way I have found to get round my college department's mailman filter, to allow me stay in bed all day and send students problems from home. [Today's: Can you find integers x,y,z > 1 such that x^x y^y = z^z?] But I will investigate this, and see if I can improve my settings. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Booting Fedora-12 from hard disk, again
Has anyone actually succeeded in booting Fedora-12 from the DVD ISO file on the hard disk, by adding a stanza to grub.conf ? I carried out the following commands: - [...@alfred ~]$ sudo mkdir /mnt/Fedora [...@alfred ~]$ sudo mount -o loop Fedora-12-i386-DVD.iso /mnt/Fedora/ [...@alfred ~]$ ls /mnt/Fedora/isolinux/ boot.cat boot.msg grub.conf initrd.img isolinux.bin isolinux.cfg splash.jpg TRANS.TBL vesamenu.c32 vmlinuz [...@alfred ~]$ ls /mnt/Fedora/images/ efiboot.img efidisk.img install.img pxeboot README TRANS.TBL [...@alfred ~]$ mkdir images [...@alfred ~]$ cp -a /mnt/Fedora/images/install.img images/ [...@alfred ~]$ sudo mkdir /boot/Fedora-12 [...@alfred ~]$ sudo cp -a /mnt/Fedora/isolinux/* /boot/Fedora-12/ - This is the entry I have added to /etc/grub.conf : - title Upgrade to Fedora-12 root (hd0,1) kernel /Fedora-12/vmlinuz ro initrd /Fedora-12/initrd.img - Now when I boot into this, all goes well until I try to install from Fedora-12*.iso when I the error "Device /dev/sda6 does not appear to contain an installation image". Am I doing something wrong? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Booting from hard disk
Amadeus W.M. wrote: >> Is it possible to boot the KDE Live CD from the hard disk (from the ISO >> file), by adding an appropriate stanza to grub.conf ? If so, what would >> be an appropriate stanza? > Put the kernel and the ramdisk from the F12 iso into /boot: > > mount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop Fedora-12.iso someDirectory > cd someDirectory > cp isolinux/vmlinuz /boot/vmlinuz-F12 > cp isolinux/initrd.img /boot/initrd-F12.img > > You can use whatever names you want for vmlinuz and initrd, but whatever > you use must go into the grub stanza. > > Copy the images directory to disk > > cp -r images /some/data/partition > > Both the images directory and the Fedora iso must be on a partition that > won't be formatted during installation. Note that I asked about booting from the KDE Live CD, not the Fedora DVD. The KDE Live CD does not seem to have an images directory. > Cut and paste any Fedora stanza from grub.conf and edit that to point to > the F12 vmlinuz and initrd and add "askmethod" on the kernel line: > > > title Fedora (2.6.31.6-166.fc12.x86_64) > root (hd0,1) > kernel /vmlinuz-F12 ro root=UUID=343fedb3 > d301-4615-99b3-a0dec40fa632 LANG=en_US.UTF-8 rhgb quiet linux askmethod > initrd /initrd-F12.img As a matter of interest, which root=UUID=... do you choose? If I boot from the isolinux/vmlinuz0 and isolinux/initrd0.img from the KDE Live CD , the machine boots into the system on the root= partition; if I specify root=/dev/sda6 , which is the partition for an fc11 system, the machine boots into fc11, though with an fc12 kernel. If I specify root=/dev/sda3 , containing an fc10 system, it boots into fc10, the system on that partition. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Fedora Installation Guide: a brief rant
Am I alone in finding the Fedora Installation Guide at <http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f12/en-US/html/> almost completely useless? The only installation method described with any clarity is the creation and use of a Fedora DVD. But everything necessary in this case could be written on the back of a stamp, or certainly on one web-page. Too much information is almost as bad as no information. This document contains hundreds of pages of completely useless or irrelevant information for anyone seeking to install Fedora. What I would like to see is a document that starts by saying, "There are 7 ways of installing Fedora on a computer. These are ..., and they are described in the following 7 chapters." -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Booting from hard disk
Is it possible to boot the KDE Live CD from the hard disk (from the ISO file), by adding an appropriate stanza to grub.conf ? If so, what would be an appropriate stanza? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installing Fedora-12 from USB
R. G. Newbury wrote: > > >I've been trying to install Fedora-12 from a memory stick > > >to which I have transferred the KDE Live CD > > >using livecd-iso-to-disk . > If you have a reasonably recent ASUS mb with an AMi BIOS, setting it to > boot from USB is rather obscure. You need to plug in the USB stick and > reboot. The USB device will then show up in the list of hard drives > under Boot Order (going from memory there, but its on the Boot tab, and > the second or third entry, iirc). Move the USB HDD entry to the top of > the list, then save and reboot. Thanks for the suggestion, but it seems my machine is too ancient - about 10 years old, I think. It has an Asus P2B-LS motherboard, with Award BIOS. I have been unable to find anything in the BIOS to allow booting from the USB memory stick. I tried booting again from the KDE Live CD vmlinuz0 and initrd0.img copied to the hard disk, with the USB partition given as root in the kernel line. As far as I can see, the machine does boot from the USB stick, but the boot fails, saying that the check of boot1, which is actually my Fedora-11 /boot partition, has failed. I've run "fsck.ext3 -f" on this partition (after unmounting it), and it seems perfectly OK. It seems to me that something odd happens in this scenario. I don't see why it tries to check this partition anyway - as far as I can see, it should only be looking at the USB stick, so where does it get a list of partitions to check? It seems in fact to be reading the Fedora-11 /etc/fstab , but I don't see why. I tried going into the interactive boot, but this failed (pressing "I" had no effect), and in any case I would not have known what to do. Is there a kernel command to omit fsck checks? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Installing Fedora-12 from USB stick
I've been trying to install Fedora-12 from a memory stick to which I have transferred the KDE Live CD using livecd-iso-to-disk . The problem is that the ancient machine I am dealing with does not support booting from the USB stick. So following advice here, I transferred vmlinuz0 and initrd0.img from the stick to the hard disk, and added a stanza to grub to boot from this: --- title Upgrade to Fedora-12 root (hd0,1) kernel /syslinux/vmlinuz0 root=/dev/sdc2 initrd /syslinux/initrd0.img --- Here /dev/sdc2 is the relevant partition on the memory stick. This works up to a point; but it fails (after entering the interactive stage) when trying to check the partitions, presumably with fsck . In particular the check on the boot partition is said to fail, even though it boots perfectly well with this partition under F-11. I don't understand where it gets a list of partitions to check - it seems to be using /etc/fstab from the Fedora-11 system, which seems illogical to me. In any case, my query is: Is there any way of adding something to the grub kernel line to stop partition checking? Or is there some other trick I could apply? I should say that this is a purely theoretical experiment; I know there are many other ways I could install Fedora-12. But I installed F-12 on several other machines using the USB stick, and it would be useful to know if I could actually update all machines in this way. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Wireless weather station
Is anyone running a WiFi weather station under Fedora? If so, what model? And what software? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > But the point is taken. There seem to be quite a few posts from folks > that make their lives needlessly complex by mucking with the defaults > and that ends up breaking something downstream. Are you saying that something is "broken downstream" if you don't use LVM? With respect, that is nonsense. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
Ryan Lynch wrote: >>> Actually, the complexity is that Fedora for some insane reason still >> defaults to using LVM for everything *other* than /boot. This brings >> no benefit to most users. > > With all due respect, the fact that one of us can't imagine the need > for some technology doesn't say much, one way or another, about > whether a general use case exists. In general, I find this attitude > amusing, but you may have a point W.R.T. LVM. As far as I can see, the poster was not objecting to LVM per se; he was simply asserting that it should not be the default, which I agree with. I was an LVM fan for some time, but ran into an insoluble problem a couple of years ago, where some kind of corruption preventing me accessing my LVM partitions. I came to the conclusion that the disadvantages of LVM far outweighed the advantages. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
Matthew Saltzman wrote: >> Actually, the complexity is that Fedora for some insane reason still >> defaults to using LVM for everything *other* than /boot. This brings >> no benefit to most users. >> > > Well, it means I can have separate filesystems for things that I don't > want overwritten if I reinstall (/home, /usr/local, /opt, /var/www, > etc.) That's only 4, or 7 with / , /boot and swap. How do you get up to 15? In any case, the default partitioning doesn't give you 15 partitions, so this seems an odd reason for recommending it. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install Fedora-12?
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> I was just wondering if there was a way of installing from my USB >> stick, even if I had to copy vmlinuz and initrd to my hard disk first. > > Installing the LiveCd version from a stick is simple. It's simple if you can boot from a USB stick. (In my experience installing Fedora-12 in this way is much easier than any previous version of Fedora). But the question is: can one install from the stick in some way if the machine does _not_ support booting from it? The suggestion was that one should copy vmlinuz and initrd from the stick to the hard disk, and add a stanza to grub.conf to boot from this. My question is: would clicking on "Copy to hard disk" at that point look at the USB stick for the data to copy? I should really try this instead of talking about it - but I have already installed Fedora-12 on this machine by PXEboot. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install Fedora-12?
Steven Susbauer wrote: >> But if I click on "Install on Hard Disk", >> won't it look on the hard disk where vmlinuz and initrd have been copied >> for the data to download? > > They are copied into ram on boot, not put into the hard disk. I think you have mis-read, or not read, the thread. It was suggested that one _should_ copy vmlinuz and initrd to the hard disk, as a way of installing Fedora-12 if the machine does not support booting from a USB stick. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install Fedora-12?
Mikkel wrote: >> But will it then be able to see the USB stick, >> in order to copy the Fedora-12 files to the hard disk? >> >> Otherwise the exercise seems pointless, >> as one might as well have copied the ISO file to the hard disk. >> >> > Once the kernel boots, it will see the USB drive as long as the USB > and USB storage modules are build into initrd.img. Once the kernel > and the initial ramdisk are loaded, you are no longer using the BIOS > for access. But if I click on "Install on Hard Disk", won't it look on the hard disk where vmlinuz and initrd have been copied for the data to download? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install Fedora-12?
jackson byers wrote: > All I can say is what I have successfully done, more than once. > --I can _install_ to my USB external disk. > ---I installed f11 via first downloading iso to my internal disks. > and then followed hard-disk install procedure. ... > This is not pointless at all: my goal was to use external USB > for the installs because I had no easily used room on my internal disks. > > Possibly I have misinterpreted what you are trying to do; I don't really understand what you did - you say you downloaded the ISO to your hard disk. and then did a hard-disk install. So how were you using the external USB for the install? It isn't important. I was just wondering if there was a way of installing from my USB stick, even if I had to copy vmlinuz and initrd to my hard disk first. But it is really a purely theoretical question -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install Fedora-12?
jackson byers wrote: >> Under Fedora-11, the USB stick is /dev/sdc , >> with the Fedora-12 partition at /dev/sdc2 . > >> However, when I ran grub interactively, and set > >> grub> root (hd2,1) > >> it said that that disk did not exist. >> I tried hd0 to hd6 but it only found >> my 2 SCSI disks at hd0 and hd1 . > >> It seems that grub does not necessarily see a USB disk, >> even if Fedora can see it. > > Yes, exactly the point of my earlier reply. > > If you 'cp' or 'mv' the vmlinuz and initrd.img to > your internal disks, then grub can find them. But will it then be able to see the USB stick, in order to copy the Fedora-12 files to the hard disk? Otherwise the exercise seems pointless, as one might as well have copied the ISO file to the hard disk. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Default keyring for NetworkManager
Sam Varshavchik wrote: > I got this to work myself. However, I think that the only way to both > autologin from gdm/kdm, and unlock the keyring, is to set an empty > password on your keyring. > > Use seahorse to set a blank password on your keyring. If it won't let you, > delete your keyring completely. On the next login you'll be prompted to > create one, create it with a blank password. What can one do on a KDE system? As far as I can see, seahorse is a Gnome speciality. Would knetworkmanager be any help? This NetworkManager password business seems completely crazy to me. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install Fedora-12?
Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> My ancient Pentium Pro (Asus P2B-LS) desktop >> does not appear to support booting from a USB stick, >> although it does have USB sockets. >> >> Is there any easy way to use my USB stick with F-12 on it >> to install Fedora on this machine? > There was some discussion about doing something similar using chain > booting from grub as one of the options within the last week on one of the > Fedora lists. There might be some helpful advice in that thread. I didn't find this thread. Under Fedora-11, the USB stick is /dev/sdc , with the Fedora-12 partition at /dev/sdc2 . However, when I ran grub interactively, and set grub> root (hd2,1) it said that that disk did not exist. I tried hd0 to hd6 but it only found my 2 SCSI disks at hd0 and hd1 . It seems that grub does not necessarily see a USB disk, even if Fedora can see it. I should say that this is only an experiment. I could perfectly well install from hard disk (and probably will) or (possibly) with PXEboot. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Default keyring for NetworkManager
Marko Vojinovic wrote: > So, given that I have autologin set up, it *can* be done. I push the power > button on my laptop, wait until the system settles down, and I am logged > in, connected to wireless, ktorrent and openvpn are already working, and > all is well. The problem was just to move that "default keyring" thing out > of the way. This was solved by making it accept an empty password. How do you make it accept an empty password? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
How to install Fedora-12?
My ancient Pentium Pro (Asus P2B-LS) desktop does not appear to support booting from a USB stick, although it does have USB sockets. Is there any easy way to use my USB stick with F-12 on it to install Fedora on this machine? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?
Terry Barnaby wrote: >> It surprises me that there is not a greater attempt >> to get feed-back on the frequency of problems, >> or equally, the lack of problems. >> I would have thought it would be relatively easy >> to design an online form that Fedora users >> could be asked to complete. >> >> > There are certainly issues with X11 graphics in F12. On 4 different > systems I have installed it on 3 do not work in 3D (System hangs, etc). > 2 of the systems have hangs (X11 and/or system) in 2D. If you don't mind my using your problem as a hook to hang an opinion on: You have had graphics problems with 3 out of 4 machines. Personally, I have had no graphics problems with Fedora-12/KDE on 5 machines, though I have had other minor (and unimportant) problems. But how rare or common is your experience? Have only 5% of Fedora users had graphics problems with F-12? Or is it 50%? Or 75%? I don't see how it is possible to plan development rationally without some idea of the statistics. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?
Tim wrote: >> I'm perplexed by the posts I am seeing regarding F12 upgrades. Lots >> of upgrade issues and darn faint praise as far as I can tell ? > > On a support list you, typically, see more problems than "all is well" > postings. It surprises me that there is not a greater attempt to get feed-back on the frequency of problems, or equally, the lack of problems. I would have thought it would be relatively easy to design an online form that Fedora users could be asked to complete. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
NetworkManager under Fedora-12
I have one laptop, a Thinkpad T43, with a PCMCIA Orinoco classic WiFi Gold Card. This works under Fedora-11 but not under Fedora-12, in both cases with the orinoco_cs driver. I'm just wondering if this is a phenomenon - with any WiFi card or driver - observed by others? I thought I'd ask before examining the problem. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Autofs under Fedora-12
Mogens Kjaer wrote: > On 11/23/2009 12:58 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > >> I meant the mount command: >> sudo mount alfred:/common /common > > Why do you use autofs at all if you give a command > to do the mounting? I only give the mount command because autofs is not working on this laptop under Fedora-12. It did work under Fedora-11. And it does work on 2 other Thinkpad T43s under Fedora-12. > I would have made (after umount /common and removing > the empty folder /common): > > ln -s /net/alfred/common /common > > then autofs does the mounting automatically as soon as you > access the /common folder. I'm not clear on this. With the autofs setting I have, if it works, the directory is mounted (invisibly) as soon as I try to access it. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Autofs under Fedora-12
Ed Greshko wrote: >> Is there a problem with autofs/automount under Fedora-12? >> >> I have exactly the same settings that I had in Fedora-11, >> but the mount command is not being completed at boot-time, >> although I have no problem giving it later by hand. >> > I'm a bit confused about what command you're giving later. Thanks for your response. I meant the mount command: sudo mount alfred:/common /common > I've used autofs before and don't recall any commands to get it to > work. The automount command modifies the auto.master file and the file > system would get mounted when the directory is accessed. I have exactly the same auto.master as before: --- # special mount point defined by direct map file /- auto_direct --- and exactly the same auto_direct --- /common -rw,sync alfred:/common --- > Could it be that you don't have the autofs service starting at boot > time? chkconfig --list autofs --- [...@rose ~]$ chkconfig --list autofs autofs 0:off 1:off 2:on3:on4:on5:on6:off --- I just checked on another similar (Thinkpad T43) computer running Fedora-12. Automount/autofs works fine on this machine. Thinking about it, I suspect the problem lies in NetworkManager. In both cases the mount is over WiFi. I notice that NM takes longer to start than it used to on the T43 where autofs does not work. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Autofs under Fedora-12
Is there a problem with autofs/automount under Fedora-12? I have exactly the same settings that I had in Fedora-11, but the mount command is not being completed at boot-time, although I have no problem giving it later by hand. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora-12 from USB stick
Timothy Murphy wrote: > However, I find that when I add my old grub.conf entries for Fedora-11 > to my new grub.conf , I am unable to boot Fedora-11 . > (I'm also unable to boot it if I run grub interactively.) > The error I get is: > fsck.ext4: unable to resolve UUID=66c3...699e . > > I cannot work out what this UUID represents. > It does not appear to be the old or the new / partition. > I thought it might be the memory stick, > but replacing this did not help. To reply to myself, I found that the mystery UUID actually refers to the partition which is the new / . So installing Fedora-12 on this partition changes its UUID, which I find slightly surprising - I thought the whole point of these UUIDs was that they never changed. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Fedora-12 from USB stick
I installed the Fedora-12 KDE Live CD on a USB memory stick: - t...@rose Download]$ sudo livecd-iso-to-disk --reset-mbr Fedora-12-i686-Live- KDE.iso /dev/sdb2 ... The media check is complete, the result is: PASS. It is OK to use this media. Copying live image to USB stick ... USB stick set up as live image! - I then ran this on my Thinkpad T43, and clicked to Transfer to Hard Disk. This has worked more or less perfectly, to date. One slight problem is that I installed Fedora-12 / on /dev/sda7 , leaving Fedora-11 / on /dev/sda3 (with /boot on /dev/sda2 and /home on /dev/sda5). However, I find that when I add my old grub.conf entries for Fedora-11 to my new grub.conf , I am unable to boot Fedora-11 . (I'm also unable to boot it if I run grub interactively.) The error I get is: fsck.ext4: unable to resolve UUID=66c3...699e . I cannot work out what this UUID represents. It does not appear to be the old or the new / partition. I thought it might be the memory stick, but replacing this did not help. How can one find what a UUID represents? Or conversely, how can one find the UUID of a partition? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Latest TeX/LaTeX
I'm having a problem with the latest LaTeX programs
(texlive-latex-2007-46.fc11.i586)
which came with Fedora-11 update today or yesterday.
When I run LaTeX it just hangs:
---
[...@rose tmp]$ cat test.tex
\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
Testing \dots
\end{document}
[...@rose tmp]$ latex test
This is pdfTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.40.3 (Web2C 7.5.6)
%&-line parsing enabled.
^C
---
Is anyone else seeing this?
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Re: Why can't I ugrade Fedora like Centos?
Rahul Sundaram wrote: > When there is a new release of Fedora, GNOME PackageKit or specifically > gpk-update-icon which is the update notifier prompts you to upgrade with > a notification on your desktop > > http://packagekit.org/img/gpk-distro-upgrade-notify.png > > If you agree, in Fedora, it will call preupgrade to perform the actual > upgrade. This works starting from Fedora 10 onwards. One problem with preupgrade for me is that it requires me to have an ethernet connection (if I understand it correctly), which is a bit of a nuisance with my laptop. I don't see why I shouldn't use WiFi if I want to take the risk. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Creating a local RPM repository
Aldo Foot wrote: > I use a similar approach as outlined in this link: > http://www.howtoforge.com/creating_a_local_yum_repository_centos > > All you need is the distribution ISO, and the createrepo and rsync > commands. You can always experiment to get the hang of it and ask when you > get stuck. In a simple setup you don't an apache or ftp server. I take it that this requires one to download the entire repository? And then keep it up-to-date. I must say that for my simple needs the NFS solution seems simpler. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Creating a local RPM repository
Bill Davidsen wrote: >>> But it's really simple, just create a directory on a server, >>> mount it rw on /var/cache/yum, and run update on one machine at a time. >>> Any prm used on one machine is there for the others, and you never >>> download a byte of data you don't need on *some* machine, so bandwidth >>> is minimized. >> >> Thanks for the response. >> I'm away from home at the moment, so can't try what you suggest. >> But I don't understand one point: >> Isn't /var/cache/yum/updates/packages/ normally cleared after "yum >> update"? >> > See the original post, which noted that /etc/yum.conf needs keepcache set > to 1. Ok, thanks, I missed that. Must have fallen into the sea somewhere between Ireland and Italy. I suppose you just have to clear the cache every now and then? How do you do that, as a matter of interest? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Curious problem with yum
Brian Mury wrote:
>> I recently ran "yum update" and encountered a conflict
>> with iptstate requiring libnetfilter.conntrack .
>>
>> OK, that is simple enough;
>> but if I remove iptstate
>> I can then re-install it without any problem.
>
> ipstate requires libnetfilter_conntrack
> libnetfilter_conntrack does not require ipstate
>
> Removing libnetfilter-conntrack, or upgrading it to a version that does
> not satisfy the ipstate dependency, will create a conflict, which is
> what you are seeing.
>
> Removing ipstate does not create a conflict because you have nothing
> else installed that requires it. Installing ipstate after you removed it
> is simply reinstalling the same version ("yum upgrade" was *not* trying
> to upgrade ipstate). If there was no conflict before, there isn't one
> now.
Firstly, thanks for your response.
I know, as you say, that the problem will probably sort itself out shortly.
I was really more interested in the logic behind the problem.
But I confess that I am still baffled by this logic.
Let me recall what I did:
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[...@rose ~]$ sudo yum remove iptstate
...
[...@rose ~]$ sudo yum install iptstate
...
---
No dependency problem.
But now
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[...@rose ~]$ sudo yum update
--> Running transaction check
--> Processing Dependency: libnetfilter_conntrack.so.1 for package:
iptstate-2.2.1-5.fc11.i586
...
Error: Missing Dependency: libnetfilter_conntrack.so.1 is needed by package
iptstate-2.2.1-5.fc11.i586 (installed)
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But now it seems to say that iptstate requires libnetfilter_conntrack.
So why didn't it say that before when I yum-installed iptstate?
Surely when you yum-install a package yum checks that you have
all the required dependencies?
It's only a tiny point;
yum is a great tool, in my view, and one of the best things about fedora.
But it is a bit confusing when a program seems to contradict itself.
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Curious problem with yum
I recently ran "yum update" and encountered a conflict with iptstate requiring libnetfilter.conntrack . OK, that is simple enough; but if I remove iptstate I can then re-install it without any problem. --- [...@rose ~]$ sudo yum remove iptstate ... iptstate.i586 0:2.2.1-5.fc11 Complete! [...@rose ~]$ sudo yum install iptstate ... Installed: iptstate.i586 0:2.2.1-5.fc11 Complete! --- Why don't I get the dependency problem here? I still get it if I run "yum update" again. --- [...@rose ~]$ sudo yum update Loaded plugins: downloadonly, priorities, refresh-packagekit Setting up Update Process Resolving Dependencies --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libnetfilter_conntrack.so.1 for package: iptstate-2.2.1-5.fc11.i586 ---> Package libnetfilter_conntrack.i586 0:0.0.100-1.fc11 set to be updated --> Finished Dependency Resolution iptstate-2.2.1-5.fc11.i586 from installed has depsolving problems --> Missing Dependency: libnetfilter_conntrack.so.1 is needed by package iptstate-2.2.1-5.fc11.i586 (installed) Error: Missing Dependency: libnetfilter_conntrack.so.1 is needed by package iptstate-2.2.1-5.fc11.i586 (installed) ------- -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Creating a local RPM repository
Bill Davidsen wrote: >> Is all this a possible way of saving RPMs on a /common directory >> served by NFS? >> > Perhaps you missed my reply to this, , > indicating that I have been doing this and it works very well for me on > FC11 and CentOS-5.[34] /var/cache/yum directories. > >> I suspect I may have misunderstood the basics of yum ... >> > If the post on shared cache isn't clear and you want to try it, I'll try > to clarify. But it's really simple, just create a directory on a server, > mount it rw on /var/cache/yum, and run update on one machine at a time. > Any prm used on one machine is there for the others, and you never > download a byte of data you don't need on *some* machine, so bandwidth is > minimized. Thanks for the response. I'm away from home at the moment, so can't try what you suggest. But I don't understand one point: Isn't /var/cache/yum/updates/packages/ normally cleared after "yum update"? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Creating a local RPM repository
Tim wrote: > Personally, I find the simple HTTP/FTP caching approach with Squid is > the simplest: You configure your yums, on all machines, to use just one > mirror, and to fetch through your proxy. Squid caches what you get. > And you only download, and cache, the packages that you actually use. You convinced me to start squid, but unfortunately after reading my trusty tutorial, <http://www.brennan.id.au/11-Squid_Web_Proxy.html>, and looking through /etc/squid/squid.conf , I decided the chances of my making a mistake, and cutting off my family from the internet, was too high to risk. I do realise that it would be good to run squid on my server, but as I said it seems a risky enterprise. Is it possible to use squid just for yum, say, as an experimental start? > Some of the local mirroring options involve blindly downloading every > update that's released. Whether, or not, you use that package. For me, > that'd be a huge waste of bandwidth and drive space. That was exactly what I felt about setting up a mirror, which as far as I could see meant mirroring the official repository. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Creating a local RPM repository
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> >> >> Concretely, I want yum to look first in /var/cache/yum/updates on my >> >> laptop, then in alfred:/var/cache/yum/updates on a local machine, >> >> and then in the remote repository. >> >> >> >> What exactly can I put in /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo >> >> to implement this? >> > >> > yum install yum-plugin-priorities >> >> Thanks. >> I've installed that, but haven't worked out >> how to use it to make yum look on my local network ... > > yum doesn't know anything about "looking on your local network". You > still have to set up a repo and point to it. In that case, I'm not clear how yum-plugin-priorities would help. I see that there is a yum-downloadonly package, which I just installed. This adds an option --downloadonly. I assume that you can then later run "yum update", and it will install or update the packages that were downloaded, as well as any other new ones. If that is so, then it seems to imply that yum looks first in /var/cache/yum/ to see if required packages are already downloaded. If it finds them there then it uses them; otherwise it downloads them from a remote repository. That being so, my question is: why not allow yum to look at what yum has saved on another computer? I notice that after installing the yum-downloadonly package, there is another new option --downloaddir=DLDIR which seems to allow RPMs (and other files in /var/cache/yum/ ?) to be installed in a specified directory. It's not clear to me if yum will remember this new directory if I use both these options --downloadonly and --downloaddir=OLDIR ? Or will I have to specify --downloaddir again when updating? Is all this a possible way of saving RPMs on a /common directory served by NFS? I suspect I may have misunderstood the basics of yum ... -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Creating a local RPM repository
Todd Zullinger wrote: >> Concretely, I want yum to look first in /var/cache/yum/updates on my >> laptop, then in alfred:/var/cache/yum/updates on a local machine, >> and then in the remote repository. > > Why would you want yum to look in /var/cache/yum/updates on the local > system? I just assumed that yum did look there first (I don't think yum goes to the remote repository if the RPM is already in the local directory?), and I was suggesting that a second option should be added. > The only thing that should be there are things already > installed. Or do you install and remove things frequently? I install frequently, but remove rarely. >> I've looked at a couple of the sites mentioned in this thread, and I >> am afraid the instructions are simply too complicated to follow. >> (The document you mention seems to have over 100 pages, which to me >> is information over-kill.) > > I'm sorry that the information isn't presented in small enough bites > for your taste. The section on creating a private mirror is only a > few paragraphs and links to IntelligentMirror if you'd rather check > that out. I don't think I really want to create a private mirror, which sounds rather complicated. The default of running "yum update" on my small menagerie is quite acceptable; any alternative would have to be almost as simple. As to supplying information in small bites, that is indeed probably what I want. A document that contains the answer to every question in the universe is only slightly more useful than a document that contains nothing. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Creating a local RPM repository
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> Concretely, I want yum to look first in /var/cache/yum/updates on my >> laptop, then in alfred:/var/cache/yum/updates on a local machine, >> and then in the remote repository. >> >> What exactly can I put in /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo >> to implement this? > > yum install yum-plugin-priorities Thanks. I've installed that, but haven't worked out how to use it to make yum look on my local network ... -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Why can't I ugrade Fedora like Centos?
John Aldrich wrote: >> I upgraded from CentOS-5.3 to CentOS-5.4 >> (and earlier from CentOS-5.2 to CentOS-5.3) >> just by running "yum update". >> >> Why can't I upgrade to Fedora-12 like that? >> Is it just that the CentOS makers are cleverer...? >> > Actually, that's exactly how I upgraded to F11 from F10. Fedora noticed > that there was an updated version of Fedora available and asked if I > wanted to upgrade. I said sure, so it downloaded all the RPMs and upgraded > me. What do you mean by "Fedora asked"? Do you mean Yum? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Why can't I ugrade Fedora like Centos?
Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> I upgraded from CentOS-5.3 to CentOS-5.4 >> (and earlier from CentOS-5.2 to CentOS-5.3) >> just by running "yum update". >> >> Why can't I upgrade to Fedora-12 like that? >> Is it just that the CentOS makers are cleverer...? > > CentOS is just a rebuild of Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Since there is no > point release of Fedora, you have to compare a upgrade from say CentOS > 4.x to CentOS 5.x. Well, the change from CentOS-5.n to CentOS-5.n+1 seems to occur about as often as Fedora-m to Fedora-m+1. Hopefully, CentOS-6 will not come in my lifetime. (I'm quite old.) > Other than that, I have continued to use yum (and other times using > preupgrade) to upgrade to new releases of Fedora and they have worked > fine. I was rather unsuccessful with preupgrade from Fedora-10 to Fedora-11; I think it worked on 1 out of 4 machines. It was much more successful (for me) with Fedora-9 to Fedora-10. I'll try it with Fedora-12 but I'm not too hopeful ... -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Creating a local RPM repository
Todd Zullinger wrote: > Timothy Murphy wrote: >> But couldn't yum just have an option to look for RPMs on the local >> network? Ie look first in local cache, then on LAN, then at remote >> repo. I would have thought that would be easy to implement. > > It's trivial to change the yum repo settings to look anywhere you > want. Concretely, I want yum to look first in /var/cache/yum/updates on my laptop, then in alfred:/var/cache/yum/updates on a local machine, and then in the remote repository. What exactly can I put in /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo to implement this? > It's also possible to become a private mirror and have the default > fedora mirrorlists return your own site when clients within your > netblock request updates. See How can someone make a private mirror? > at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Mirroring, which I > believe was already mentioned in this thread. I've looked at a couple of the sites mentioned in this thread, and I am afraid the instructions are simply too complicated to follow. (The document you mention seems to have over 100 pages, which to me is information over-kill.) -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Creating a local RPM repository
n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > There is an application called createrepo available which will create > the repo based on then RPMs in a directory. This should be a good place > to start. I've used it before with any problems. But couldn't yum just have an option to look for RPMs on the local network? Ie look first in local cache, then on LAN, then at remote repo. I would have thought that would be easy to implement. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Why can't I ugrade Fedora like Centos?
I upgraded from CentOS-5.3 to CentOS-5.4 (and earlier from CentOS-5.2 to CentOS-5.3) just by running "yum update". Why can't I upgrade to Fedora-12 like that? Is it just that the CentOS makers are cleverer...? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Samba with Windows XP client
Tim wrote: >> Doesn't the fact that I can browse through a folder on the Windows >> machine show that I have full rights on the folder? > > It only requires partial rights to just be able to read a folder, more > rights are involved if you're allowed to write to a folder. So, no. OK. But I don't actually want to write on the Windows machine, unless that is required somehow by Samba. As I mentioned, my only reason for setting up Samba is to backup the Windows machine on my Linux server. Incidentally, I notice that both folders in question (one of which I can browse with Samba, and the other not) have "Read-only" checked, and I am apparently unable to uncheck this. If I do so, then when I leave the folder, and re-enter, I see that Read-only is checked again. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Samba with Windows XP client
Dave Ihnat wrote: >> How exactly does one determine if one has "full rights" on a folder? >> Doesn't the fact that I can browse through a folder on the Windows >> machine show that I have full rights on the folder? > > You'd think. Right-click on a folder--if you're running XP Pro, you can > then click on the "Security" tab. That'll show who has permissions, and > what > permissions. I am running XP Pro with SP3 (as specified by Control Panel=>System). But if I right click on a folder I see a "Sharing and Security" tab (not a "Security" tab) but this gives no information on who has permissions. Nor does right-clicking again, and going to Properties=>Sharing. In both cases, I have checked "Share this folder on the network" and "Allow network users to change my files", and given a Share name with no spaces or unusual characters. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Samba with Windows XP client
Dave Ihnat wrote: >> I've tried the above command, but the result is exactly the same. >> I can connect to harriet:C , say, but when I browse >> eg to Documents and Settings\tim >> permission to list is refused. > > You have to make sure that permissions on the Windows box allow the > user/password with which you mounted the drive to access the folder(s) > on the remote machine. It sounds as if that's not the case. Thanks for the response. What puzzles me is that I never have any problem accessing all files and folders if I login on the Windows machine (with the same name and password that I use in Samba). I must admit I don't understand the Windows XP Pro permission setup; Can you suggest a document that describes this? > On the Windows box, set the Administrator password (XP Pro), or make > sure your account has administrative rights (XP Home). > > Then make sure that account--Administrator, or your account--has full > rights on all files/folders on the drive. This is more problematic on > XP Home machines, since you don't have the full security model available > to you. How exactly does one determine if one has "full rights" on a folder? Doesn't the fact that I can browse through a folder on the Windows machine show that I have full rights on the folder? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Samba with Windows XP client
roland wrote: >>> I'm running Samba on a Fedora machine, >>> and was hoping to access files on a Windows XP Pro client, >>> by "sudo mount -t cifs harriet:C /mnt/win". >>> This works OK, but I am not able to browse on the Windows machine. >>> >>> Am I misunderstanding something about how Samba works? >>> Do I need to specify this Windows folder on the Linux box? >>> Or is there some step I am meant to take on the Windows machine, >>> beyond allowing File and Folder Sharing? >> >> I've done things like that, but find that I need to use some additional >> mount options to pass along username and password for the share being >> mounted. something like: > also if you want read-write permission > > mount -t cifs -o user=me,password=mypassword,rw //host/path /mnt/foobar > > default is rw but this seems not to be the case sometimes. Don't ask me > why Thanks for all the suggestions. I've tried the above command, but the result is exactly the same. I can connect to harriet:C , say, but when I browse eg to Documents and Settings\tim permission to list is refused. However, I can list Documents and Settings\Default User . In general, I am completely confused by the Windows setup. For example, I have two shares, EAGC and EAGD, on drives C and D. As far as I can see, the setup on these drives and shares is identical; but I can mount and access share EAGD, but not EAGC (as seen below). Having experimented for a time, I've come to the conclusion that my problem lies in the Windows machine, and not in the Linux Samba server. I suspect the solution may lie in trying to set up a Windows network involving 2 Windows machines. Also, I've been using a Windows Workgroup, I could try to set up a Domain. Incidentally, the reason I have been trying to setup Samba is to backup the Windows machine with BackupPC running on my Linux server. (This works perfectly in backing up Linux machines.) - [r...@helen ~]# mount -t cifs -o user=tim,password=,rw //harriet/C /mnt/win [r...@helen ~]# cd /mnt/win [r...@helen win]# ls 17a7ba471958c0ae38b1428af3cefc4d Config.Msi IO.SYS MSOCache ProgramDataWINDOWS AUTOEXEC.BAT CONFIG.SYS logs NTDETECT.COM Program Files $AVG8.VAULT$ Documents and Settings log.txtntldr RECYCLER boot.ini hiberfil.sysMSDOS.SYS pagefile.sys System Volume Information [r...@helen win]# cd Documents\ and\ Settings/ [r...@helen Documents and Settings]# ls All Users Default User deirdre LocalService NetworkService roisin tim [r...@helen Documents and Settings]# ls tim ls: reading directory tim: Permission denied [r...@helen Documents and Settings]# ls Default\ User/ Application Data DesktopLocal Settings NetHood NTUSER.DAT.LOG Recent Start Menu Cookies Favorites My DocumentsNTUSER.DAT PrintHood SendTo Templates [r...@helen Documents and Settings]# cd [r...@helen ~]# umount /mnt/win [r...@helen ~]# mount -t cifs -o user=tim,password=,rw //harriet/EAGD /mnt/win [r...@helen ~]# ls /mnt/win The Sims 2 [r...@helen ~]# umount /mnt/win [r...@helen ~]# mount -t cifs -o user=tim,password=rOisin,rw //harriet/EAGC /mnt/win mount error 13 = Permission denied Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs) - -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Samba with Windows XP client
Bengt-Erik Soderstrom wrote: > There is, perhaps, an easier way: > Use the Gnome desktop. Click Places in the menu. Click Network. Find > your Windows computer. then Resource then the > computer name and voila: You have access to all the files > you have defined to be shared on your Windows computer! Of course, > resource name and computer name will most certainly be different for you. Is there a KDE equivalent? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Samba with Windows XP client
I'm running Samba on a Fedora machine, and was hoping to access files on a Windows XP Pro client, by "sudo mount -t cifs harriet:C /mnt/win". This works OK, but I am not able to browse on the Windows machine. Am I misunderstanding something about how Samba works? Do I need to specify this Windows folder on the Linux box? Or is there some step I am meant to take on the Windows machine, beyond allowing File and Folder Sharing? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to tell IP address of remote machine?
Tim wrote: >> "firefox http://whatismyipaddress.com/"; >> (where I had to wait for a minute or so to get the response). > > Perhaps it's overloaded? I just tried it, and it took ages responding. > The other site, responded near instantly. Thanks very much for your response, which I shall study carefully. The waiting-time I mentioned was to get a response on my local machine when running firefox on the remote machine. I actually get much the same delay when accessing any site like that, eg when accessing the remote ADSL modem at 192.168.1.1 from the remote machine. I always assumed that it was simply due to the amount of data passed by firefox to my local machine. > Do you have your own webspace, somewhere external from your LAN? Does > it run Apache, or some other webserver where you can run commands, and > have the instructions for doing so? You could run your own script to do > the same thing (tell you your IP address). (See the end of this message > for examples.) I'm not quite sure what you mean. I'm running apache on my local server. But the problem I have at the moment is that I get 3 different IP addresses by 3 methods that have been suggested, and I am not sure which is correct: 1. Accessing whatismyaddress.com , as above 2. Running "traceroute -n www.google.it" on the remote machine 3. Running the program "wget -O - http://ip.tupeux.com | tail" on the remote machine, as someone suggested. Actually, I just tried this again, and (1) and (3) did give the same address, 95.234.132.149 . (Yesterday they gave different addresses, I think.) I can ping this address,but ssh-ing from my local system fails, or rather hangs: [...@rose Documents]$ ssh -v 95.234.132.149 OpenSSH_5.2p1, OpenSSL 0.9.8k-fips 25 Mar 2009 debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug1: Applying options for * debug1: Connecting to 95.234.132.149 [95.234.132.149] port 22. ^C I guess I have not set ssh up properly at some point ... This did work some time ago, before I upgraded the remote machine to CentOS-5.4 . But I'll study the rest of your posting more carefully later, as I said. Thanks again. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to tell IP address of remote machine?
Tait Clarridge wrote: >> I had a little program which I ran each day >> as a cron job to mail me the IP address of a machine >> in a different country. ... >> In any case, the program has ceased to work >> because the site heliohost seems to have gone off-line. > I have been using wget to check my external IP (for conky). > > wget -O - http://ip.tupeux.com | tail > > Should give you the output to STDOUT... Sadly, I tried this on my remote machine, but it did not give the same address as "firefox http://whatismyipaddress.com/"; (where I had to wait for a minute or so to get the response). I'm baffled by this at the moment. I can ping both addresses, but cannot ssh into either, which I take to be the concrete test that I have the right address. (But I suspect that upgrading the remote machine to CentOS-5.4 may have changed things in some way.) I'm pretty sure that "whatismyaddress.com" has given the correct address in the past. Surprisingly to me, "lynx http://whatismyipaddress.com/"; gets an error message on both local and remote machines. "traceroute -n google.com", which has also been suggested, gives a third IP address. I shall continue with my experimentation ... -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to tell IP address of remote machine?
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> My college has set up mailman so that list-owners >> (and I presume anyone else) has to post email >> from within the college system. >> I would prefer to send email from home, where I can use KMail, >> although it is very little trouble to ssh into my college account, >> and send email from there. > > How do they check? IIRC Mailman doesn't have very sophisticated > authentication features. Many installations just look at the From line, > which you can change. Thank you, you may well be right. I shall check that. I'm wondering if there is some simple way in KMail of changing the From: address in a one-off way, I mean so that most email comes from a default address, but one can give an alternative address if one wishes. As far as I can see, the From: address is set as part of the users "Identity". I suppose one could have a second KMail account with a different Identity, but that would be cumbersome. But first I will check if the college mailman does just look at the From: address, as you suggest. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to tell IP address of remote machine?
Mikkel wrote: >> OpenVPN makes me feel that all the machines are in the same LAN >> (which I suppose they are), >> while two machines linked by ssh seems somehow more remote. > What I was referring to was using one of the dynamic DNS services > and using openvpn. I don't see how one would give you problems with > the other. I didn't suggest, or mean to suggest, that I had any problem with dyndns because I was running OpenVPN. The only problem I have had with dyndns is that I haven't been able to use a domain name I bought from EuroDNS, although both eurodns and dyndns mention the other in their documentation. > With openvpn, it depends on how you set it up as to if you are > joining the remote network, or just the remote machine. I'm just setting up the remote machine as a client. I guess I would quite like to set up a remote LAN, and join that to my local LAN. I didn't know that was possible with openVPN. > (Are you using a bridged > connection on one or both ends, or have you set up IP tables and > routing to do the same thing?) I'm running shorewall on my local server, and allow openvpn traffic through with that. (I also had to open a pin-hole on my local ADSL modem.) > With ssh it is usually a machine to > machine connection, but you can also get fancy with port forwarding > over ssh. I used to forward port 25 over an ssh connection so that > my outgoing mail was coming from the "local" machine as far as the > mail server on the remote machine was concerned. I'm not very clear on this sort of thing, but your remark makes me wonder if I could use that idea to get over a completely different problem I have: My college has set up mailman so that list-owners (and I presume anyone else) has to post email from within the college system. I would prefer to send email from home, where I can use KMail, although it is very little trouble to ssh into my college account, and send email from there. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to tell IP address of remote machine?
Mikkel wrote: >> But as I have said, I prefer openvpn - >> it makes me feel that the machine in Italy is really close to me! >> Also I find it easier to use, eg with KMail/dovecot , >> though that is probably just a reflection of my knowledge/ignorance. > I guess I am not seeing what one has to do with the other. When I > make an openvpn connection from my laptop back to my home system, I > connect to foo.bar.com where foo.bar.com points to the dynamic IP > address of my home system. I could also use the IP address instead > of the host name. If you have openvpn set up correctly, it does not > care about the IP address, or host name on each end - it just cares > about the encryption keys. I have ssh set up the same way. (You can > try all day with user name/password and not get in.) Yes, I'm probably being naive, or maybe just ignorant. OpenVPN makes me feel that all the machines are in the same LAN (which I suppose they are), while two machines linked by ssh seems somehow more remote. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to tell IP address of remote machine?
Mikkel wrote: > Using dynamic DNS, you can ssh using the host name instead of the IP > address. I have used it both for ssh and openvpn connections to this > machine. (I just have to remember to open the firewall before I head > out.) As I mentioned, I am actually using dyndns on this machine. I must admit though that I haven't succeeded in combining it with a domain I have from EuroDNS, though it is clear from the documentation that this is possible. But as I have said, I prefer openvpn - it makes me feel that the machine in Italy is really close to me! Also I find it easier to use, eg with KMail/dovecot , though that is probably just a reflection of my knowledge/ignorance. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to tell IP address of remote machine?
Mikkel wrote: >>> You could download ddclient and change the config to mail all >>> messages to you. >> >> Thanks, I'll look at that. >> But would that give me the remote IP address? >> > If it does not already have a configuration for it, you can modify > one of the configurations to get the information from your > router/modem. What it is designed to do is get the "real" IP > address, and forward it to one of the dynamic DNS services. But all > you need is the get the IP address part, and the mail messages part. Sorry, I was being stupid. I am actually running ddclient to send my IP address to dyndns.com . I guess I could look at the code for this and run it to post the IP address to me. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to tell IP address of remote machine?
Tom H wrote: > Emailing yourself the (truncated to the first lines) output of a > "traceroute -n google.com" on your box should be enough to give you > the modem's external IP address. It will be the first external address > (and the first address if you do not have a router between it and your > box). Thanks. That seems to be the simplest method suggested so far: [...@althea ~]$ traceroute -n google.com traceroute to google.com (74.125.45.100), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 192.168.1.1 1.049 ms 1.279 ms 1.566 ms 2 192.168.100.1 27.415 ms 30.226 ms 32.609 ms 3 88.45.2.33 36.093 ms 38.530 ms 41.458 ms [...@rose ~]$ ping -c2 88.45.2.33 PING 88.45.2.33 (88.45.2.33) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 88.45.2.33: icmp_seq=1 ttl=238 time=102 ms ---- Seems to work too ... -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to tell IP address of remote machine?
Mikkel wrote: >> ifconfig only seems to give the local 192.168.*.* address. >> Is there some way of getting it to tell the true IP address? >> >> (The remote machine is attached to an ADSL modem. >> I can get the IP address by accessing the modem, >> but I am not sure how I could automate this. >> I guess I could use lynx, and try to abstract the address ...) >> > You could download ddclient and change the config to mail all > messages to you. Thanks, I'll look at that. But would that give me the remote IP address? > Or you could modify the pearl script to do what you > want. Unfortunately, Perl seems temporarily out of action after upgrading to CentOS-5.4 . (There were a large number of warnings about Perl during the upgrade.) But I'm sure this will be sorted out in the next day or so. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to tell IP address of remote machine?
Paulo Cavalcanti wrote: >> >> I had a little program which I ran each day >> >> as a cron job to mail me the IP address of a machine >> >> in a different country. > Why don't you just sign for a free dynamic DNS service, such as noip or > dyndns? I am actually subscribed to dyndns, for this machine. But I normally use openvpn, which works perfectly. I've had a couple of occasions when openvpn has failed - as it happened, one time was due to a storm in Italy when the internet connection went down - but what I have found is quite nice in the past is that if openvpn fails I can ssh in, if I know the IP address, and try to work out what is wrong with openvpn. Eg openvpn stopped working for a couple of hours when I upgraded the remote machine (as well as my local server) to CentOS-5.4. Strangely, it just started working again a couple of hours later. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to tell IP address of remote machine?
Sam Varshavchik wrote: >> I had a little program which I ran each day >> as a cron job to mail me the IP address of a machine >> in a different country. ... >> In any case, the program has ceased to work >> because the site heliohost seems to have gone off-line. > You don't need to use any site. The sender's IP address will be recorded > in the test message's headers. Thanks very much for that suggestion. I've looked at KMail showing all headers, and there are a couple of IP addresses which could be the correct ones: --- Received: from smtp-out01.alice.it (85.33.2.12) ... Received: from althea.gayleard.com ([95.234.133.98]) by FBCMCL01B05.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); --- I'll see if I can check if the second address is OK. I don't seem able to ping it. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to tell IP address of remote machine?
Ed Greshko wrote: >> I had a little program which I ran each day >> as a cron job to mail me the IP address of a machine >> in a different country. .. >> In any case, the program has ceased to work >> because the site heliohost seems to have gone off-line. >> >> I wonder if anyone knows of an alternative site >> which I could substitute? >> Or an alternative program? > On the other hand, I did another thing once upon a timebut simply > used a shell script and the output from ifconfig with a bit of grepping > and cutting. ifconfig only seems to give the local 192.168.*.* address. Is there some way of getting it to tell the true IP address? (The remote machine is attached to an ADSL modem. I can get the IP address by accessing the modem, but I am not sure how I could automate this. I guess I could use lynx, and try to abstract the address ...) -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
How to tell IP address of remote machine?
I had a little program which I ran each day
as a cron job to mail me the IP address of a machine
in a different country.
I give the program sm.py below;
I can't remember where I found it.
In any case, the program has ceased to work
because the site heliohost seems to have gone off-line.
I wonder if anyone knows of an alternative site
which I could substitute?
Or an alternative program?
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SENDMAIL = "/usr/sbin/sendmail"
import os
import socket
import urllib2
import sys
import time
tt = time.ctime()
response = urllib2.urlopen("http://darkstar.heliohost.org/ip.php";)
ipaddr = response.readline().split('<')[0]
f = open("mylog.txt", "w")
f.write(ipaddr + " " + "on" + " " + tt + "\n" )
f.close()
p = os.popen("%s -t -fgayle...@alice.it" % SENDMAIL, "w")
p.write("To: gayle...@eircom.net\r\n")
p.write("From: Timothy Murphy \r\n")
p.write("Subject: Anghiari IP address\r\n")
p.write("\r\n")
p.write(ipaddr + "\r\n")
p.close()
sys.exit()
---------
[...@althea ~]$ sudo cat /etc/cron.daily/ip-address
#!/bin/sh
/usr/bin/python /home/tim/sm.py
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--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net
tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland
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Re: Lost desktop switcher in panel
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> My desktop switcher - the rectangular icon divided, >> in my case into 8 small squares representing the 8 desktops, >> has disappeared from my panel. >> >> How can I get it back, please? > > It's widget called Pager. Click on the cashew and add it. Thanks very much to both of you. I applied Ed Greshko's method with your widget, and all is fine again. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Lost desktop switcher in panel
I'm running Fedora-11/KDE. My desktop switcher - the rectangular icon divided, in my case into 8 small squares representing the 8 desktops, has disappeared from my panel. How can I get it back, please? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?
Joshua C. wrote: > The installation process guides you through some basic points (like > grub, partitioning, basic packages). While I am at it, I think the partitioning options are badly put, too. The first option should be to use the current partitions, in my view. The second should be to set up partitions as one wants. I suspect that most people who have installed Fedora before know that it is best to avoid the crazy system suggested by Anaconda. > Most distributions nowadays ship > with both kde and gnome. By default fedora installs gnome and I think > every user who wants to try it should know this. It's not about being > clever or not. The PackageKit then gives you the ability to install > and set kde. I'm not sure what this means. It is more or less impossible to replace Gnome by KDE after installation, in my experience. I'm afraid that I suspect a political or philosophical motive at work here. Redhat/Anaconda have a sort of vestigial loyalty to Gnome, and don't want the alternative to be too visible. It's a bit like asking a Ford dealer to admit he sells more Toyotas. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?
Joshua C. wrote: >> I'd like to be asked during installation >> if I want to use Gnome or KDE or some other environment. >> Am I alone in this? >> One has to go through a slightly tortuous path >> to get KDE installed. > Take a look at this: > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f11/en-US/html/sn-package- selection.html > > It's from the f11 installation guide (section software selection). > Just click on "desktop environments" and choose KDE or GNOME. It's > simple enough. How many people installing Fedora for the first - or even the second - time would choose to "Customize now"? It is like saying, "If you think you are cleverer than me, press this button". -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Gnome or KDE - why not ask?
I'd like to be asked during installation if I want to use Gnome or KDE or some other environment. Am I alone in this? One has to go through a slightly tortuous path to get KDE installed. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Script on shutdown?
suvayu ali wrote: >> 3. Is there a way of running a program (ssh) >> on a specified desktop when logging in? > This might be of interest. I haven't gone through it in detail but > looked like what you are looking for. I had a similar requirement > myself, but for emacs. The right keywords can find you almost > everything :) . I tried "saving remote sessions in konsole" in google. > > * > http://andreas.scherbaum.la/blog/archives/440-Start-multiple-ssh-sessions- with-KDE-konsole.html > * http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/KDE/2008-08/msg00066.html Thanks, I'll look at those. I assume that every GUI action, clicking on icons, etc, can be implemented by appropriate CLI commands, but it seems to me rather difficult to determine these. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Script on shutdown?
1. Is there a way of running a script on shutdown? I'd like to close some windows. 2. Is there a script to end a program (ssh) running in a particular desktop, eg desktop 5? 3. Is there a way of running a program (ssh) on a specified desktop when logging in? Basically, I want to automate the process whereby I open an ssh window to a remote computer in a given desktop. At the moment I do this by going to the desktop and clicking a button in my KDE Favourites, admittedly not very onerous. One slight annoyance is that when I login again I get a local konsole in that desktop, which I have to close before clicking on my ssh button. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I can't connect via ssh
Jim wrote: > Just be sure in Service you have enabled SSHD and you have in your /home > directory a folder named .ssh and a file inside that named known_host , > that should be all that is required. > If not, the settings in your router. Just another thought from a network ignoramus. Can you ping your gateway? (I can't remember its IP address.) -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Why update Swahili?
gil...@altern.org wrote: >>>> If you don't need them, just say >>>> yum erase m17n\* >>> >>> Yeah, I suppose with yum they wouldn't come back. But what is the >>> backslash for? Can't find any backslash in the yum man page. >> >> The backslash is to prevent the shell from expanding the asterisk and >> passing on the asterisk to yum literally. Its called escaping a special >> character. Try looking for escaping characters in the bash man page. > > So, if I write > > rm m17n* > > it will remove all instances of m17n... > > but, because yum is not a bash command, the * has to be escaped? I may be wrong - if so, I hope I will be corrected - but I don't think you _have_ to escape the *. It is just that if you don't do that, and there happens to be a file m17n... in the current directory it will assume you mean that. If there is no such file "yum ... m17n*" will work fine. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 FTP Server on Home Box
Frank Murphy (Frankly3D) wrote: > Looking to set up a simple to setup ftp server for my home box. ... > to share /home/user/school_stuff/* > > (SSH\sftp is blocked by the school.) I don't really know what I am talking about, but wouldn't it be simpler just to run a web-server? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Install Fedora, use Fedora as server
Richard Chang wrote: > I did not see the install option after booting from Fedora 11 live CD, but > I will look again. On the KDE Live CD, at least, there is an icon labeled "Install on Hard Disk" in the top left-hand of the screen. I have installed Fedora-11 from the KDE Live CD on several computers. > Thanks for the suggestion to use CentOS and its ease of use. I agree strongly with this suggestion. I think CentOS is a much safer bet than Fedora for a web-server. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: NetworkManager woes
Phil Meyer wrote: > If you are NOT a laptop, then please, please follow the advice already > given and simply revert to NM off and network services on. I don't think this is sensible advice unless NM is not working on the desktop. (Maybe that is what you mean?) In my experience there are serious deficiencies with the network service. > If you really want to make NM do all the right things, then tell it so > in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth[0-N]. Those files will > always have precedence, and you can even tell NM to just use these files > as is. How do you know these files have precedence, as a matter of interest? Is that documented anywhere? (Also, if they have precedence, why do you have to tell NM to use them? Or do you mean NM may change them if it wants to?) > You can put DNS in there too, so that network services will > create for you exactly the resolv.conf you want. How exactly do you put DNS in? How do you know? > You may have noticed that there are now two network administration > applications: Network -- Network Device Control > > Network is the old one, and is used with the old network scripts. > Network Device Control understands the additional syntax for the ifcfg > scripts to work with Network Manager. Give that one a play and see what > it does to the config files: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth[0-N] The main problem with NM is the complete lack of documentation. For me, and I guess for most people, it works perfectly 95% of the time. But on the 5% failures I have absolutely no idea what to do. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How Fedora chose me
davide wrote: > I just wonder why repositories offers "so few" with respect "the other > distro". I mean, last time I checked there was a 10k+ packages difference. What is "the other distro"? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Orinoco_cs WiFi under kernel-2.6.30
My classic Orinoco Gold PCMCIA card has not been working under Fedora-11/KDE (with WEP) for some time. Does anyone have this card working under Fedora? It works perfectly under Windows XP. I see in /var/log/messages that the firmware agere_sta_fw.bin cannot be found; but if this file is in fact required I don't understand why it is not provided with the orinoco_cs module? Rather frighteningly, I read this remark from Dan Williams, who seems to be one of the two orinoco_cs developers: "Since the WE-18 support in orinoco is so new, I'm not really surprised that it could be failing for WEP or open networks." -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Curious double click required
For some time, when reading an HTML email in KMail I have to click twice on "activate ... by clicking here". I think that's been the case since Fedora 9 - before that I only had to click once. Recently, I've had to click twice on f=>Leave=>Shutdown to shutdown my laptop. The first time the little Shutdown window does not appear. Anyone else noticed this? Doesn't really matter, just odd. [I should say that I'm running KDE.] -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How do you keep your online address-book?
Anthony Joseph Messina wrote: >> What do people recommend for keeping a list of contacts >> on the computer? >> I presently use OpenLDAP, but I'm not completely happy with it. > > I use 389 DS LDAP, formerly the Fedora Directory Server > (http://port389.org) with eGroupWare (http://egroupware.org) as a web & > SyncML frontend. Thanks for your response. I'm looking into your suggestions, though there are a bit more adventurous than I would like. What are the advantages/disadvantages of 389-directory-service, as compared with OpenLDAP? > eGroupWare via any computer that has access to the host I looked up eGroupWare, but was surprised there is no official Fedora package. (My only fear with this is that an application not supported by Fedora might become incompatible with some later distribution.) -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How do you keep your online address-book?
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sun, 2009-09-06 at 14:39 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: >> I presently use OpenLDAP, but I'm not completely happy with it. > > Perhaps if you explained why you aren't happy with it, people might have > suggestions about improving it. I find LDAP a little heavy anyway - I have the impression of something intended for SysAdmins of large systems, rather than a home network user like me. And the documentation is very bad. But concretely, my main complaint from my list would be: 2. There should be a simple GUI program to add contacts. I'd really like something like phpMyAdmin with MySQL, though even that is somewhat cumbersome. Fairly high on my list of wishes would also be: 3. It should be possible to add contacts to and from mobile phones. Some sort of translator to/from vCard and similar 5. It should be reasonably compatible with Windows XP. I haven't really looked into this. Is it reasonably easy to set up an Outlook distribution list from an LDAP address-book? 6. It should be flexible, allowing additional fields to be added later. Again, I'm not sure if this is possible with OpenLDAP, as it is eg with MySQL. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
How do you keep your online address-book?
What do people recommend for keeping a list of contacts on the computer? I presently use OpenLDAP, but I'm not completely happy with it. I think my main requirements are: 1. It must be held on one computer, and be accessible from others. 2. There should be a simple GUI program to add contacts. 3. It should be possible to add contacts to and from mobile phones. 4. It should be reasonably compatible with KMail and other KDE applications. 5. It should be reasonably compatible with Windows XP. 6. It should be flexible, allowing additional fields to be added later. I'm interested to know what the most popular method of keeping an address-book online under Fedora. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Chrome-Fedora People
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > That worked for me, but when I try to view video it claims that Flash is > not installed, which it is (64-bit Adobe version). There doesn't appear > to be a way to configure this. Do all videos use Flash? I looked at a couple of what I would call videos, and they seemed to work. (This was 32-bit, without any plugins deliberately installed.) The thing I would miss most if I went over to chrome would be the google toolbar. It seems very surprising this isn't available, in view of the connection with google. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Am I being punished?
I'm running a dual boot Windows/Fedora system on my Thinkpad T43. Whenever I run Windows, I find my time is 1 hour out when I return to Linux. Is this my punishment for consorting with the devil, or is there a simple solution? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: help
Anne Wilson wrote: >> I installed fedora 11 and I can't get online. It detects the Internet >> connection and says it is established but firefox will not connect >> neither will the system update. Is there something I need to do in the >> terminal to make it go online. I have a dsl connection. I had to revert >> back to ubuntu to get online. Any help would be appreciated. >> > This sounds like a dns problem. Right-click on the network icon in your > system tray, and choose Edit Connection. You should then see your > connection, > probably (but not necessarily) as eth0. Highlight it and choose Edit. On > the > IPV4 tab you need an entry. In most cases you can simply give it the > address > of your adsl router or modem - often 192.168.1.1. What that does is tell > your application to go through the router or modem and ask your ISP to > resolve the addresses you give it. Although all this seems sensible to me, I am a bit surprised none of you gurus has suggested using "ping". I would start by pinging my ISP, if possible using the IP address. To me, the first question would be, "Are my packets leaving the house?" If I determined that they were, I would think to myself, "So it's a pretty simple issue then, probably something to do with DNS, or maybe DHCP." If I found the packets were not leaving my house, I would be much less sanguine. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
