Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue
On Monday 14 September 2009 03:05:02 Tim wrote: Tim: In what way did you do that marking? Adding packages, or setting some language preferences? Anne Wilson: Neither. By choosing English British at install, for language and keyboard, and by checking in system-config-languages. Nothing else at all. I have no other locales installed. I wonder if that merely sets the locale used by the install routine (rather like network settings set during install only pertain to settings used while installing). While that could be true (no idea whether it is), I would certainly expect that the setting shown in s-c-languages would be the one used. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue
Tim: Have you, now, changed the defaults, and did it work? Daniel B. Thurman: Please bear with me if I seem dense. What do you mean by if I have changed the defaults??? What is the defaults? How can I tell. Well, in that question I meant this: Your system had defaulted to Afrikaans (it had set /something/ before you had done so). Had you changed that setting, and did it make any noticeable difference.? I'm not sure, but changing that setting might require a log out and back in again. I think my default was en-US, though I can't remember. I set my locale on the GDM screen as I was logging in. I cannot remember any locale setting during the installation. Later, I set the system default to en-AU (Gnome system administration preference control for Language), so that anyone else who logged in would start with the (usual) right default, so they wouldn't have to change anything. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue
On Monday 14 September 2009 12:02:05 Tim wrote: I'm not sure, but changing that setting might require a log out and back in again. Actually, mine is now working correctly, from which I infer that logging out was not sufficient, but a reboot was needed. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue
On 09/12/2009 11:11 PM, Tim wrote: On Sat, 2009-09-12 at 16:28 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Can someone direct me how to set a system-wide UTF-8 locales? That's the default (using UTF-8 encoding for most, if not all, locales). What do you get if you type the locale command into a terminal? [...@suspishus ~]$ locale LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_NUMERIC=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_TIME=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_MONETARY=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_MESSAGES=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_PAPER=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_NAME=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_ADDRESS=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_TELEPHONE=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_MEASUREMENT=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_ALL= Ok, I think I finally figured out why when logging into Gnome, the default LANG=C was set! When the GDM login screen appears, there is no mention of Language / Session options until AFTER you select or manually enter the user name. Looking at the DEFAULT Language setting, it says: Unspecified WTH - WHY? Obviously when I selected Language to be in my case English (USA), then entered my password, my session is now using English (USA) locale. ALSO: This mechanism seems to have changed after F9 since the Language / Session option is shown regardless if a username has been selected or not!?!? Ugh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue
On 09/13/09 19:49, Ed Greshko wrote:
Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
On 09/13/09 19:06, Tim wrote:
On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 08:58 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
I manually typed in: system-config-language and the default was
the first top item in the list, i.e. Afrikaans (South America)
and this was somehow the default set during installation of F11
even though the installer told me it was correctly set to English
(USA).
Two things spring to mind:
As I said to Anne, perhaps the installation option only sets
settings pertaining to doing the installation, not what happens
with the new system.
Have you, now, changed the defaults, and did it work?
Please bear with me if I seem dense. What do you mean by if I have
changed the defaults???
What is the defaults? How can I tell.
The system wide default is held in /etc/sysconfig/i18n and seems to be
en_US.UTF-8.
I already said that when I first started system.config.language that
the default was set to Afrikaan or at least this item was
highlighted, assumed that this default is wrong and proceeded to
change this item to: English (USA), and closed the program.
Did it work?
I am still seeing the following in the system logs:
Sep 13 08:46:14 hostname ntfs-3g[7707]: Could not convert filename
to Unicode: 'Clavier-B�chlein F�r Anna Maguire': Invalid or
incomplete multibyte or wide character
I do not see this sort of error message in F9, using the same exact
filesystem drive/partition. I compared F9 F11 /etc/sysconfig/i18n
as follows:
In F9: LANG=en_US.utf8 SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16
In F11: # LANG=C considerably speeds up boot (measured 5sec) --
bernie LANG=en_US.UTF-8 SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16
They are pretty much same except for that weird commented out LANG=C
line, for which I never put there.
It is possible that the system log message is not a locale issue
and points to something else, I dunno...
Howeveryou've said that:
$ locale
LANG=C
LC_CTYPE=C
LC_NUMERIC=C
LC_TIME=C
LC_COLLATE=C
LC_MONETARY=C
LC_MESSAGES=C
LC_PAPER=C
LC_NAME=C
LC_ADDRESS=C
LC_TELEPHONE=C
LC_MEASUREMENT=C
LC_IDENTIFICATION=C
LC_ALL=
Clearly a LANG=C will get you the problems with multi-byte characters.
So, yes, you need to track down why/how your LANG is getting set as it
is. I can't think of how that would happen
But, I would probably delete that commented out line from
/etc/sysconfig/i18n just to make sure something weird isn't going on
with that line. If you didn't put it there...it begs the
question who did? Who is bernie?
You may even consider booting into run level 3 and then seeing if your
environment is LANG=C before running startx.
I deleted the strange line.
Rebooted, and no change
I added to /etc/sysconf/i18n:
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8
LC_NUMERIC=en_US.UTF-8
LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8
LC_COLLATE=en_US.UTF-8
LC_MONETARY=en_US.UTF-8
LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8
LC_PAPER=en_US.UTF-8
LC_NAME=en_US.UTF-8
LC_ADDRESS=en_US.UTF-8
LC_TELEPHONE=en_US.UTF-8
LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.UTF-8
LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_US.UTF-8
LC_ALL=
SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16
rebooted to single user mode:
$ locale
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8
LC_NUMERIC=en_US.UTF-8
LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8
LC_COLLATE=en_US.UTF-8
LC_MONETARY=en_US.UTF-8
LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8
LC_PAPER=en_US.UTF-8
LC_NAME=en_US.UTF-8
LC_ADDRESS=en_US.UTF-8
LC_TELEPHONE=en_US.UTF-8
LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.UTF-8
LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_US.UTF-8
LC_ALL=
^D to continue the reset of the runlevels,
Logged into gdm, opened a terminal window
and:
$ locale
LANG=C
LC_CTYPE=C
LC_NUMERIC=C
LC_TIME=C
LC_COLLATE=C
LC_MONETARY=C
LC_MESSAGES=C
LC_PAPER=C
LC_NAME=C
LC_ADDRESS=C
LC_TELEPHONE=C
LC_MEASUREMENT=C
LC_IDENTIFICATION=C
LC_ALL=
So it appears that logging in as a user,
it preempts the system-wide locale
settings.
I checked bash profiles and I did find these:
/etc/profile.d/lang.{sh|csh}
If you run these in the terminal window,
it looks to locate the $HOME/.i18n file,
and if not there, sets the default to
LANG=C
$ sh -x /etc/profile.d/lang.sh
+ sourced=0
+ '[' -n C ']'
+ saved_lang=C
+ '[' -f /home/dant/.i18n ']'
+ LANG=C
+ unset saved_lang
+ '[' 0 = 1 ']'
+ unset sourced
+ unset langfile
WTH? What is going on here?
Why are these scripts there to enforce that
the default be LANG=C when a user logs
in?
Does anyone have the above two files installed
in the profile.d directory? It is possible that I
had installed some kind of package that threw
these files in?
Hrrr!
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Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue
On Sat, 2009-09-12 at 16:28 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Can someone direct me how to set a system-wide UTF-8 locales? That's the default (using UTF-8 encoding for most, if not all, locales). What do you get if you type the locale command into a terminal? [...@suspishus ~]$ locale LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_NUMERIC=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_TIME=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_MONETARY=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_MESSAGES=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_PAPER=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_NAME=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_ADDRESS=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_TELEPHONE=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_MEASUREMENT=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_ALL= -- The gates in my computer are AND, OR and NOT; they are not Bill. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue
On Sunday 13 September 2009 07:11:24 Tim wrote: On Sat, 2009-09-12 at 16:28 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Can someone direct me how to set a system-wide UTF-8 locales? That's the default (using UTF-8 encoding for most, if not all, locales). What do you get if you type the locale command into a terminal? [...@suspishus ~]$ locale LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_NUMERIC=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_TIME=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_MONETARY=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_MESSAGES=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_PAPER=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_NAME=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_ADDRESS=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_TELEPHONE=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_MEASUREMENT=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_ALL= Hmm - on install I marked everything as English-British. system-config- language says that my language is English|-British, but the 'locale' command marks everything as en_US. Any ideas? Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue
Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 13 September 2009 07:11:24 Tim wrote: On Sat, 2009-09-12 at 16:28 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Can someone direct me how to set a system-wide UTF-8 locales? That's the default (using UTF-8 encoding for most, if not all, locales). What do you get if you type the locale command into a terminal? [...@suspishus ~]$ locale LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_NUMERIC=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_TIME=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_MONETARY=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_MESSAGES=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_PAPER=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_NAME=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_ADDRESS=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_TELEPHONE=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_MEASUREMENT=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_ALL= Hmm - on install I marked everything as English-British. system-config- language says that my language is English|-British, but the 'locale' command marks everything as en_US. Any ideas? Anne The only time I've ever seen that happen is when I've logged in from the console and language drop down box in the lower left was set to English (United States) and I failed to notice. -- Why is everything made of Lycra Spandex? Guess Who! http://tinyurl.com/mc4xe7 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue
On Sunday 13 September 2009 16:27:28 Ed Greshko wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 13 September 2009 07:11:24 Tim wrote: On Sat, 2009-09-12 at 16:28 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Can someone direct me how to set a system-wide UTF-8 locales? That's the default (using UTF-8 encoding for most, if not all, locales). What do you get if you type the locale command into a terminal? [...@suspishus ~]$ locale LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_NUMERIC=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_TIME=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_MONETARY=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_MESSAGES=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_PAPER=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_NAME=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_ADDRESS=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_TELEPHONE=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_MEASUREMENT=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_ALL= Hmm - on install I marked everything as English-British. system-config- language says that my language is English|-British, but the 'locale' command marks everything as en_US. Any ideas? Anne The only time I've ever seen that happen is when I've logged in from the console and language drop down box in the lower left was set to English (United States) and I failed to notice. Nothing like that. I don't have other locales installed, so I don't have the icon for changing them, and I've checked everything I can think of in KDE settings, not that I think they should affect this. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue
On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 09:50 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: Hmm - on install I marked everything as English-British. system-config-language says that my language is English|-British, but the 'locale' command marks everything as en_US. Any ideas? In what way did you do that marking? Adding packages, or setting some language preferences? -- The gates in my computer are AND, OR and NOT; they are not Bill. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue
Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 13 September 2009 16:27:28 Ed Greshko wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 13 September 2009 07:11:24 Tim wrote: On Sat, 2009-09-12 at 16:28 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Can someone direct me how to set a system-wide UTF-8 locales? That's the default (using UTF-8 encoding for most, if not all, locales). What do you get if you type the locale command into a terminal? [...@suspishus ~]$ locale LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_NUMERIC=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_TIME=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_MONETARY=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_MESSAGES=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_PAPER=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_NAME=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_ADDRESS=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_TELEPHONE=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_MEASUREMENT=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_ALL= Hmm - on install I marked everything as English-British. system-config- language says that my language is English|-British, but the 'locale' command marks everything as en_US. Any ideas? Anne The only time I've ever seen that happen is when I've logged in from the console and language drop down box in the lower left was set to English (United States) and I failed to notice. Nothing like that. I don't have other locales installed, so I don't have the icon for changing them, and I've checked everything I can think of in KDE settings, not that I think they should affect this. Anne Strange I assume that /etc/sysconfig/i18n has LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 -- O'Reilly's Law of the Kitchen: Cleanliness is next to impossible Guess Who! http://tinyurl.com/mc4xe7 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue
On 09/12/09 23:11, Tim wrote: On Sat, 2009-09-12 at 16:28 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Can someone direct me how to set a system-wide UTF-8 locales? That's the default (using UTF-8 encoding for most, if not all, locales). What do you get if you type the locale command into a terminal? [...@suspishus ~]$ locale LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_NUMERIC=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_TIME=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_MONETARY=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_MESSAGES=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_PAPER=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_NAME=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_ADDRESS=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_TELEPHONE=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_MEASUREMENT=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_ALL= $ locale LANG=C LC_CTYPE=C LC_NUMERIC=C LC_TIME=C LC_COLLATE=C LC_MONETARY=C LC_MESSAGES=C LC_PAPER=C LC_NAME=C LC_ADDRESS=C LC_TELEPHONE=C LC_MEASUREMENT=C LC_IDENTIFICATION=C LC_ALL= I manually typed in: system-config-language and the default was the first top item in the list, i.e. Afrikaans (South America) and this was somehow the default set during installation of F11 even though the installer told me it was correctly set to English (USA). In any case, I do not understand why I have the C locale... Thanks- Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue
On 09/13/09 08:58, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: On 09/12/09 23:11, Tim wrote: On Sat, 2009-09-12 at 16:28 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Can someone direct me how to set a system-wide UTF-8 locales? That's the default (using UTF-8 encoding for most, if not all, locales). What do you get if you type the locale command into a terminal? [...@suspishus ~]$ locale LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_NUMERIC=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_TIME=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_MONETARY=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_MESSAGES=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_PAPER=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_NAME=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_ADDRESS=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_TELEPHONE=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_MEASUREMENT=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_ALL= $ locale LANG=C LC_CTYPE=C LC_NUMERIC=C LC_TIME=C LC_COLLATE=C LC_MONETARY=C LC_MESSAGES=C LC_PAPER=C LC_NAME=C LC_ADDRESS=C LC_TELEPHONE=C LC_MEASUREMENT=C LC_IDENTIFICATION=C LC_ALL= I manually typed in: system-config-language and the default was the first top item in the list, i.e. Afrikaans (South America) and this was somehow the default set during installation of F11 even though the installer told me it was correctly set to English (USA). In any case, I do not understand why I have the C locale... Thanks- Dan Oops - I meant: Afrikaans (South AFRICA) - sigh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue
On Sunday 13 September 2009 16:42:16 Ed Greshko wrote: Strange I assume that /etc/sysconfig/i18n has LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 cat /etc/sysconfig/i18n LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue
On Sunday 13 September 2009 16:40:42 Tim wrote: On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 09:50 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: Hmm - on install I marked everything as English-British. system-config-language says that my language is English|-British, but the 'locale' command marks everything as en_US. Any ideas? In what way did you do that marking? Adding packages, or setting some language preferences? Neither. By choosing English British at install, for language and keyboard, and by checking in system-config-languages. Nothing else at all. I have no other locales installed. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue
On 09/13/09 09:03, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: On 09/13/09 08:58, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: On 09/12/09 23:11, Tim wrote: On Sat, 2009-09-12 at 16:28 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Can someone direct me how to set a system-wide UTF-8 locales? That's the default (using UTF-8 encoding for most, if not all, locales). What do you get if you type the locale command into a terminal? [...@suspishus ~]$ locale LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_NUMERIC=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_TIME=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_MONETARY=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_MESSAGES=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_PAPER=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_NAME=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_ADDRESS=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_TELEPHONE=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_MEASUREMENT=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_AU.UTF-8 LC_ALL= $ locale LANG=C LC_CTYPE=C LC_NUMERIC=C LC_TIME=C LC_COLLATE=C LC_MONETARY=C LC_MESSAGES=C LC_PAPER=C LC_NAME=C LC_ADDRESS=C LC_TELEPHONE=C LC_MEASUREMENT=C LC_IDENTIFICATION=C LC_ALL= I manually typed in: system-config-language and the default was the first top item in the list, i.e. Afrikaans (South America) and this was somehow the default set during installation of F11 even though the installer told me it was correctly set to English (USA). In any case, I do not understand why I have the C locale... Thanks- Dan Oops - I meant: Afrikaans (South AFRICA) - sigh. I did not notice this before, but thought I'd post it here: $ system-config-language (system-config-language:14713): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_x11_atom_to_xatom_for_display: assertion `atom != GDK_NONE' failed (system-config-language:14713): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_x11_atom_to_xatom_for_display: assertion `atom != GDK_NONE' failed -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue
Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 13 September 2009 16:42:16 Ed Greshko wrote: Strange I assume that /etc/sysconfig/i18n has LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 cat /etc/sysconfig/i18n LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 That is weird I love a mystery. So, when you issue a locale from konsole it shows up as all en_US.UTF-8. How about if you su - and then try locale? Oh, BTW, in an earlier message you saidinstall I marked everything as English-British. system-config-language says that my language is English|-British, but the 'locale' command marks everything as en_US. Does that include LANG? Ed signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue
Tim: In what way did you do that marking? Adding packages, or setting some language preferences? Anne Wilson: Neither. By choosing English British at install, for language and keyboard, and by checking in system-config-languages. Nothing else at all. I have no other locales installed. I wonder if that merely sets the locale used by the install routine (rather like network settings set during install only pertain to settings used while installing). -- The gates in my computer are AND, OR and NOT; they are not Bill. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue
On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 08:58 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: I manually typed in: system-config-language and the default was the first top item in the list, i.e. Afrikaans (South America) and this was somehow the default set during installation of F11 even though the installer told me it was correctly set to English (USA). Two things spring to mind: As I said to Anne, perhaps the installation option only sets settings pertaining to doing the installation, not what happens with the new system. Have you, now, changed the defaults, and did it work? -- The gates in my computer are AND, OR and NOT; they are not Bill. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue
On 09/13/09 19:06, Tim wrote: On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 08:58 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: I manually typed in: system-config-language and the default was the first top item in the list, i.e. Afrikaans (South America) and this was somehow the default set during installation of F11 even though the installer told me it was correctly set to English (USA). Two things spring to mind: As I said to Anne, perhaps the installation option only sets settings pertaining to doing the installation, not what happens with the new system. Have you, now, changed the defaults, and did it work? Please bear with me if I seem dense. What do you mean by if I have changed the defaults??? What is the defaults? How can I tell. I already said that when I first started system.config.language that the default was set to Afrikaan or at least this item was highlighted, assumed that this default is wrong and proceeded to change this item to: English (USA), and closed the program. Did it work? I am still seeing the following in the system logs: Sep 13 08:46:14 hostname ntfs-3g[7707]: Could not convert filename to Unicode: 'Clavier-B�chlein F�r Anna Maguire': Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character I do not see this sort of error message in F9, using the same exact filesystem drive/partition. I compared F9 F11 /etc/sysconfig/i18n as follows: In F9: LANG=en_US.utf8 SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 In F11: # LANG=C considerably speeds up boot (measured 5sec) -- bernie LANG=en_US.UTF-8 SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 They are pretty much same except for that weird commented out LANG=C line, for which I never put there. It is possible that the system log message is not a locale issue and points to something else, I dunno... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue
On 09/13/09 19:34, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: On 09/13/09 19:06, Tim wrote: On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 08:58 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: I manually typed in: system-config-language and the default was the first top item in the list, i.e. Afrikaans (South America) and this was somehow the default set during installation of F11 even though the installer told me it was correctly set to English (USA). Two things spring to mind: As I said to Anne, perhaps the installation option only sets settings pertaining to doing the installation, not what happens with the new system. Have you, now, changed the defaults, and did it work? Please bear with me if I seem dense. What do you mean by if I have changed the defaults??? What is the defaults? How can I tell. I already said that when I first started system.config.language that the default was set to Afrikaan or at least this item was highlighted, assumed that this default is wrong and proceeded to change this item to: English (USA), and closed the program. Did it work? I am still seeing the following in the system logs: Sep 13 08:46:14 hostname ntfs-3g[7707]: Could not convert filename to Unicode: 'Clavier-B�chlein F�r Anna Maguire': Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character I do not see this sort of error message in F9, using the same exact filesystem drive/partition. I compared F9 F11 /etc/sysconfig/i18n as follows: In F9: LANG=en_US.utf8 SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 In F11: # LANG=C considerably speeds up boot (measured 5sec) -- bernie LANG=en_US.UTF-8 SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 They are pretty much same except for that weird commented out LANG=C line, for which I never put there. It is possible that the system log message is not a locale issue and points to something else, I dunno... I forgot to add: $ locale LANG=C LC_CTYPE=C LC_NUMERIC=C LC_TIME=C LC_COLLATE=C LC_MONETARY=C LC_MESSAGES=C LC_PAPER=C LC_NAME=C LC_ADDRESS=C LC_TELEPHONE=C LC_MEASUREMENT=C LC_IDENTIFICATION=C LC_ALL= This does not seem to change at all, or is it supposed to after running system.config.language? Thanks! Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue
Daniel B. Thurman wrote: On 09/13/09 19:06, Tim wrote: On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 08:58 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: I manually typed in: system-config-language and the default was the first top item in the list, i.e. Afrikaans (South America) and this was somehow the default set during installation of F11 even though the installer told me it was correctly set to English (USA). Two things spring to mind: As I said to Anne, perhaps the installation option only sets settings pertaining to doing the installation, not what happens with the new system. Have you, now, changed the defaults, and did it work? Please bear with me if I seem dense. What do you mean by if I have changed the defaults??? What is the defaults? How can I tell. The system wide default is held in /etc/sysconfig/i18n and seems to be en_US.UTF-8. I already said that when I first started system.config.language that the default was set to Afrikaan or at least this item was highlighted, assumed that this default is wrong and proceeded to change this item to: English (USA), and closed the program. Did it work? I am still seeing the following in the system logs: Sep 13 08:46:14 hostname ntfs-3g[7707]: Could not convert filename to Unicode: 'Clavier-B�chlein F�r Anna Maguire': Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character I do not see this sort of error message in F9, using the same exact filesystem drive/partition. I compared F9 F11 /etc/sysconfig/i18n as follows: In F9: LANG=en_US.utf8 SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 In F11: # LANG=C considerably speeds up boot (measured 5sec) -- bernie LANG=en_US.UTF-8 SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 They are pretty much same except for that weird commented out LANG=C line, for which I never put there. It is possible that the system log message is not a locale issue and points to something else, I dunno... Howeveryou've said that: $ locale LANG=C LC_CTYPE=C LC_NUMERIC=C LC_TIME=C LC_COLLATE=C LC_MONETARY=C LC_MESSAGES=C LC_PAPER=C LC_NAME=C LC_ADDRESS=C LC_TELEPHONE=C LC_MEASUREMENT=C LC_IDENTIFICATION=C LC_ALL= Clearly a LANG=C will get you the problems with multi-byte characters. So, yes, you need to track down why/how your LANG is getting set as it is. I can't think of how that would happen But, I would probably delete that commented out line from /etc/sysconfig/i18n just to make sure something weird isn't going on with that line. If you didn't put it there...it begs the question who did? Who is bernie? You may even consider booting into run level 3 and then seeing if your environment is LANG=C before running startx. -- We don't care how they do it in New York. Guess Who! http://tinyurl.com/mc4xe7 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue
On 09-09-13 22:49:06, Ed Greshko wrote: Daniel B. Thurman wrote: I already said that when I first started system.config.language that the default was set to Afrikaan or at least this item was highlighted, assumed that this default is wrong and proceeded to change this item to: English (USA), and closed the program. That suggests that system-config-language could not find any default. ... ... I compared F9 F11 /etc/sysconfig/i18n as follows: In F9: LANG=en_US.utf8 SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 In F11: # LANG=C considerably speeds up boot (measured 5sec) -- bernie LANG=en_US.UTF-8 SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 They are pretty much same except for that weird commented out LANG=C line, for which I never put there. It is possible that the system log message is not a locale issue and points to something else, I dunno... ... But, I would probably delete that commented out line from /etc/sysconfig/i18n just to make sure something weird isn't going on with that line. If you didn't put it there...it begs the question who did? Who is bernie? I think that the commented out line should be made like the one from F9, as currently no default LANG is being set. I could imagine such a thing having come from Rawhide at one time. Check for any .rpmnew files like /etc/sysconfig/i18n.rpmnew. -- TonyN.:' mailto:tonynel...@georgeanelson.com ' http://www.georgeanelson.com/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
F11: UTF-8 Locale issue
Seems to me that the locale is messed up for me. I have a bunch of files that uses the UTF-8 locale and my system reporting locale problems to my system logs. Can someone direct me how to set a system-wide UTF-8 locales? Thanks! Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue
Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Seems to me that the locale is messed up for me. I have a bunch of files that uses the UTF-8 locale and my system reporting locale problems to my system logs. Can someone direct me how to set a system-wide UTF-8 locales? The default system LANG (from which the various LC_ environment variables are derived) is held in /etc/sysconfig/i18n. FWIW, there is no such thing as a UTF-8 locale. UTF-8 is a character encoding format. Not knowing what errors are being reported would limit the ability to suggest a resolution. -- Eureka, he said. Going to have a bath then? -- Philosophy in action (Terry Pratchett, Small Gods) Guess Who! http://tinyurl.com/mc4xe7 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
