Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 22:48 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: Have you tried unmounting it? I'm not a Gnome user either, and I unmounted it with no trouble. umount told root it was busy. Which means something was using it, so maybe you do actually need it. You could use 'lsof .gvfs' to find out more. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following properties when I do an ls -Al: d? ? ? ??? .gvfs I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this? Thanks, William -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
William M. Quarles walrus at bellsouth.net writes: I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following properties when I do an ls -Al: d? ? ? ??? .gvfs I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this? I had the same after changing my uid and gid. I tried for a while to deal with this file, then I simple gave up. After the reboot, it was simple to delete it :-) (I suppose it's better to delete it, outside gnome session) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 07:32:07 -0400 William M. Quarles wrote: I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs I don't know how to get rid of it (I wish I did), but I do know it isn't a real directory. It is some imaginary nonsense gnome created to produce some kind of virtual filesystem (using fuse I think) which the gnome developers imagine is useful, but is (like so much else in gnome) really just a pain that causes untold problems in many different tools. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
William M. Quarles wrote: I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following properties when I do an ls -Al: d? ? ? ??? .gvfs I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this? Thanks, William http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.22/#sect:gvfs-gio -- Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de http://www.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
davide wrote: William M. Quarles walrus at bellsouth.net writes: I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following properties when I do an ls -Al: d? ? ? ??? .gvfs I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this? I had the same after changing my uid and gid. I tried for a while to deal with this file, then I simple gave up. After the reboot, it was simple to delete it :-) (I suppose it's better to delete it, outside gnome session) Yeah, I had to go into rescue mode with an installation disc and run fsck, through which the problem was fixed. No deletion necessary! Peace, William -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
William M. Quarles wrote, at 07/06/2009 08:32 PM +9:00: I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following properties when I do an ls -Al: d? ? ? ??? .gvfs I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this? Thanks, William I guess you are seeing this issue: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=493565 Several people (including me) reported this issue, however no one has found how to reproduce this exactly and no solution is found yet. Regards, Mamoru -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
Tom Horsley tom.horsley at att.net writes: but is (like so much else in gnome) really just a pain that causes untold problems in many different tools. feel free to switch to something else, like KDE or OpenBox or I don't know. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:43:29 + (UTC) davide wrote: but is (like so much else in gnome) really just a pain that causes untold problems in many different tools. feel free to switch to something else, like KDE or OpenBox or I don't know. I'm already using as little of gnome as I possibly can, yet something starts the damn gvfs daemon in the microscopic parts of gnome I am forced to start to get any gtk app to work at all :-). Maybe if I created a plain file named ~/.gvfs and did a chattr +i on it that would frustrate the daemon enough to leave me alone - I'll have to try it sometime... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
On Monday 06 July 2009, William M. Quarles wrote: I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following properties when I do an ls -Al: d? ? ? ??? .gvfs I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this? Thanks, William I'll follow this thread too, as I have it, and its driving amanda to squawk about it. And root cannot do anything to it either. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp To make an enemy, do someone a favor. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 11:27 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 06 July 2009, William M. Quarles wrote: I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following properties when I do an ls -Al: d? ? ? ??? .gvfs I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this? Thanks, William I'll follow this thread too, as I have it, and its driving amanda to squawk about it. And root cannot do anything to it either. This has been discussed at length already: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2008-October/msg02751.html poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 09:51:43 -0400 Tom Horsley wrote: I'm already using as little of gnome as I possibly can, yet something starts the damn gvfs daemon in the microscopic parts of gnome I am forced to start to get any gtk app to work at all :-). OK, I finally took the time to discover a way to squash it utterly. I now have my system setup to run this script after ever yum update (so if it comes back, I'll squash it again): #!/bin/bash # if [ -f /usr/libexec/gvfs-fuse-daemon ] then rm -f /usr/libexec/NOTgvfs-fuse-daemonNOT mv /usr/libexec/gvfs-fuse-daemon /usr/libexec/NOTgvfs-fuse-daemonNOT fi By renaming the daemon that runs the fuse mount, it can't get it started. I haven't noticed a single thing that fails to function yet with it disabled like this. I can't just remove the package that provides the daemon because several things claim to depend on it, but despite that, they all seem to work fine without it running. My ~/.gvfs directory is now just a plain directory with no weird attributes to confuse the heck out of backup programs, etc. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
On 7/6/2009 11:27 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 06 July 2009, William M. Quarles wrote: I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following properties when I do an ls -Al: d? ? ? ??? .gvfs I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this? Thanks, William I'll follow this thread too, as I have it, and its driving amanda to squawk about it. And root cannot do anything to it either. The way that you wrote this Gene I would think that your driving amanda to squawk problem is an amanda problem not a .gvfs problem. Amanda is an 'addon' backup application, correct? And .gvfs is part of the Fedora operating file system. This .gvfs *belongs* there and is needed. -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
On Monday 06 July 2009, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 11:27 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 06 July 2009, William M. Quarles wrote: I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following properties when I do an ls -Al: d? ? ? ??? .gvfs I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this? Thanks, William I'll follow this thread too, as I have it, and its driving amanda to squawk about it. And root cannot do anything to it either. This has been discussed at length already: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2008-October/msg02751.html poc If quoting a thread, then IMNSHO the thread should have the definitive answer. And that thread never gets to an answer. Not being a gnome user, if it is part of gnome, and I'm not running gnome (spit), then why can't it be un- mounted or deleted? All those answers are dbl-talk to me. Here it claims it is busy. And I get an email from amanda every morning claiming it cannot access it. So how about answering the original question?, which seemed to be something along the lines of a 'how can I get rid of it' question. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp The nice thing about Windows is - It does not just crash, it displays a dialog box and lets you press 'OK' first. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
On Monday 06 July 2009, Tom Horsley wrote: On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 09:51:43 -0400 Tom Horsley wrote: I'm already using as little of gnome as I possibly can, yet something starts the damn gvfs daemon in the microscopic parts of gnome I am forced to start to get any gtk app to work at all :-). OK, I finally took the time to discover a way to squash it utterly. I now have my system setup to run this script after ever yum update (so if it comes back, I'll squash it again): #!/bin/bash # if [ -f /usr/libexec/gvfs-fuse-daemon ] then rm -f /usr/libexec/NOTgvfs-fuse-daemonNOT mv /usr/libexec/gvfs-fuse-daemon /usr/libexec/NOTgvfs-fuse-daemonNOT fi By renaming the daemon that runs the fuse mount, it can't get it started. I haven't noticed a single thing that fails to function yet with it disabled like this. I can't just remove the package that provides the daemon because several things claim to depend on it, but despite that, they all seem to work fine without it running. My ~/.gvfs directory is now just a plain directory with no weird attributes to confuse the heck out of backup programs, etc. Thank you very much. Between that and a killall fuse, I can and have deleted it. Now we wait to see what fusses. What gets me is that there is no starter code anyplace in /etc/rc* that starts it. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp A man of genius makes no mistakes. His errors are volitional and are the portals of discovery. -- James Joyce, Ulysses -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 17:07 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: Not being a gnome user, if it is part of gnome, and I'm not running gnome (spit), then why can't it be unmounted or deleted? Have you tried unmounting it? I'm not a Gnome user either, and I unmounted it with no trouble. I did have to do it as root, but with an appropriate fstab entry that would presumably not be necessary. I haven't bothered because it doesn't get in my way. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
On Monday 06 July 2009, David wrote: On 7/6/2009 11:27 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 06 July 2009, William M. Quarles wrote: I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following properties when I do an ls -Al: d? ? ? ??? .gvfs I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this? Thanks, William I'll follow this thread too, as I have it, and its driving amanda to squawk about it. And root cannot do anything to it either. The way that you wrote this Gene I would think that your driving amanda to squawk problem is an amanda problem not a .gvfs problem. Amanda is an 'addon' backup application, correct? And .gvfs is part of the Fedora operating file system. This .gvfs *belongs* there and is needed. -- David By what, David? I'm running kde here. I just made that script from a previous message, then did a killall on the daemon, and with that gone the tree if any has now been deleted. We will wait and see what squawks. As far as the comment about an addon, non-approved app like amanda is concerned, I have been running amanda since back in the day when redhat actually supplied bru as its backup app. Amanda beat it then, and still beats anything in the fedora repos 11 years later. Quality code generally stands the test of time, particularly when it has been in active development for all of those years, even before linux itself I believe as its an even older unix app. I'm running the snapshot taken on 06/22/2009 right now. Where is bru today? I have no idea. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp You know you are getting old when you think you should drive the speed limit. -- E.A. Gilliam -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 17:07 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 06 July 2009, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 11:27 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 06 July 2009, William M. Quarles wrote: I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following properties when I do an ls -Al: d? ? ? ??? .gvfs I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this? Thanks, William I'll follow this thread too, as I have it, and its driving amanda to squawk about it. And root cannot do anything to it either. This has been discussed at length already: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2008-October/msg02751.html poc If quoting a thread, then IMNSHO the thread should have the definitive answer. And that thread never gets to an answer. Not being a gnome user, if it is part of gnome, and I'm not running gnome (spit), then why can't it be un- mounted or deleted? All those answers are dbl-talk to me. Then try a wider search: http://markmail.org/search/list:com.redhat.fedora-list?q=gvfs#query:list %3Acom.redhat.fedora-list%20gvfs+page:1+mid:zsyhw6ysrteazqz7 +state:results And of course Google, as ever. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
On 7/6/2009 5:30 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 06 July 2009, David wrote: On 7/6/2009 11:27 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 06 July 2009, William M. Quarles wrote: I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following properties when I do an ls -Al: d? ? ? ??? .gvfs I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this? Thanks, William I'll follow this thread too, as I have it, and its driving amanda to squawk about it. And root cannot do anything to it either. The way that you wrote this Gene I would think that your driving amanda to squawk problem is an amanda problem not a .gvfs problem. Amanda is an 'addon' backup application, correct? And .gvfs is part of the Fedora operating file system. This .gvfs *belongs* there and is needed. -- David By what, David? I'm running kde here. I just made that script from a previous message, then did a killall on the daemon, and with that gone the tree if any has now been deleted. We will wait and see what squawks. FUSE Filesystem in Userspace http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace My guess would be something important. :-) As far as the comment about an addon, non-approved app like amanda is concerned, I have been running amanda since back in the day when redhat actually supplied bru as its backup app. Amanda beat it then, and still beats anything in the fedora repos 11 years later. Quality code generally stands the test of time, particularly when it has been in active development for all of those years, even before linux itself I believe as its an even older unix app. I'm running the snapshot taken on 06/22/2009 right now. Where is bru today? I have no idea. When I said addon I meant 'no part of the original installed operating system'. And I would still be more inclined to pester the amanda developers about this bug than to perhaps disable a perfectly running computer. -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
2009/7/6 Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@verizon.net: On Monday 06 July 2009, David wrote: On 7/6/2009 11:27 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 06 July 2009, William M. Quarles wrote: I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following properties when I do an ls -Al: d? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this? Thanks, William I'll follow this thread too, as I have it, and its driving amanda to squawk about it. And root cannot do anything to it either. The way that you wrote this Gene I would think that your driving amanda to squawk problem is an amanda problem not a .gvfs problem. Amanda is an 'addon' backup application, correct? And .gvfs is part of the Fedora operating file system. This .gvfs *belongs* there and is needed. -- David By what, David? I'm running kde here. I just made that script from a previous message, then did a killall on the daemon, and with that gone the tree if any has now been deleted. We will wait and see what squawks. As far as the comment about an addon, non-approved app like amanda is concerned. As far as I can see, there is no distinction between gnome-vfs2 and amanda in terms of what is an 'addon'. They both come from the same repositories. Gnome is the certainly a default in some Fedora spins, but that doesn't make it and it's dependencies the one-true-desktop. I like gnome-vfs2, I use it a lot - but I'm a Gnome user - I can quite see why KIOSlave would be more important to KDE users and other methods of accessing virtual filesystems important to other DE users. If Gene doesn't want gvfs, then it shouldn't be there - Free Operating systems are about empowering user choice! But that said, I get the same thing with my .gvfs directory when I ssh in to a freshly booted system without Gnome running - which may be the environment that amanda might have to deal with - and having screwy permissions at any point has to rate a bug surely? -- Sam -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:18:17 -0400 Gene Heskett wrote: What gets me is that there is no starter code anyplace in /etc/rc* that starts it. I'm betting it is hard coded in gnome-settings-daemon since that is about the only thing from gnome I always start, but they could have hid it somewhere else too. If you are really bored you could try running strings -a on all the programs installed by any gnome packages and see which one has the string gvfs-fuse-daemon in it :-). I already tried searching the gconf database and it doesn't appear in there anywhere that I can find. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
On Monday 06 July 2009, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 17:07 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: Not being a gnome user, if it is part of gnome, and I'm not running gnome (spit), then why can't it be unmounted or deleted? Have you tried unmounting it? I'm not a Gnome user either, and I unmounted it with no trouble. umount told root it was busy. I did have to do it as root, but with an appropriate fstab entry that would presumably not be necessary. I haven't bothered because it doesn't get in my way. poc -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp The sudden sight of me causes panic in the streets. They have yet to learn -- only the savage fears what he does not understand. -- The Silver Surfer -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
On Monday 06 July 2009, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 17:07 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 06 July 2009, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 11:27 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 06 July 2009, William M. Quarles wrote: I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following properties when I do an ls -Al: d? ? ? ??? .gvfs I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this? Thanks, William I'll follow this thread too, as I have it, and its driving amanda to squawk about it. And root cannot do anything to it either. This has been discussed at length already: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2008-October/msg02751.html poc If quoting a thread, then IMNSHO the thread should have the definitive answer. And that thread never gets to an answer. Not being a gnome user, if it is part of gnome, and I'm not running gnome (spit), then why can't it be un- mounted or deleted? All those answers are dbl-talk to me. Then try a wider search: http://markmail.org/search/list:com.redhat.fedora-list?q=gvfs#query:list %3Acom.redhat.fedora-list%20gvfs+page:1+mid:zsyhw6ysrteazqz7 +state:results And of course Google, as ever. poc The point is now moot I believe, although I haven't checked since a reboot was forced by kernel-2.6.31-rc2's oom killer just now. So I'm back on 2.6.30.1 its doofy clock. No, it was not re-created by the reboot. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp The sudden sight of me causes panic in the streets. They have yet to learn -- only the savage fears what he does not understand. -- The Silver Surfer -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
On Monday 06 July 2009, David wrote: On 7/6/2009 5:30 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 06 July 2009, David wrote: On 7/6/2009 11:27 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 06 July 2009, William M. Quarles wrote: I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following properties when I do an ls -Al: d? ? ? ??? .gvfs I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this? Thanks, William I'll follow this thread too, as I have it, and its driving amanda to squawk about it. And root cannot do anything to it either. The way that you wrote this Gene I would think that your driving amanda to squawk problem is an amanda problem not a .gvfs problem. Amanda is an 'addon' backup application, correct? And .gvfs is part of the Fedora operating file system. This .gvfs *belongs* there and is needed. -- David By what, David? I'm running kde here. I just made that script from a previous message, then did a killall on the daemon, and with that gone the tree if any has now been deleted. We will wait and see what squawks. FUSE Filesystem in Userspace http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace My guess would be something important. :-) As far as the comment about an addon, non-approved app like amanda is concerned, I have been running amanda since back in the day when redhat actually supplied bru as its backup app. Amanda beat it then, and still beats anything in the fedora repos 11 years later. Quality code generally stands the test of time, particularly when it has been in active development for all of those years, even before linux itself I believe as its an even older unix app. I'm running the snapshot taken on 06/22/2009 right now. Where is bru today? I have no idea. When I said addon I meant 'no part of the original installed operating system'. And I would still be more inclined to pester the amanda developers about this bug than to perhaps disable a perfectly running computer. That depends on whose fault it is. Having something existing on a system that not even root can control sends up alarms, fireworks and red flags to me. There is no way in hell I can lay that problem on amanda's doorstep. This is supposed to be open source, where everything is visible and controllable. This thing seems to have been under the radar till it just showed up, set as a default someplace. As for starting something called FUSE at boot time, should not whatever it is that starts the daemon set off a fuss if it cannot find the daemon to start it? I just rebooted, to 2.6.30.1 because the oom killer in 31-rc2 only allows around 12-18 hours of uptime, BIG memory leak somewhere. And no mention shows in a dmesg, I just looked again. -- David -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Computers may be stupid, but they're always obedient. Well, almost always. -- Larry Wall (Open Sources, 1999 O'Reilly and Associates) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
On 7/6/2009 11:21 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 06 July 2009, David wrote: On 7/6/2009 5:30 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 06 July 2009, David wrote: On 7/6/2009 11:27 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 06 July 2009, William M. Quarles wrote: I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following properties when I do an ls -Al: d? ? ? ??? .gvfs I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this? Thanks, William I'll follow this thread too, as I have it, and its driving amanda to squawk about it. And root cannot do anything to it either. The way that you wrote this Gene I would think that your driving amanda to squawk problem is an amanda problem not a .gvfs problem. Amanda is an 'addon' backup application, correct? And .gvfs is part of the Fedora operating file system. This .gvfs *belongs* there and is needed. -- David By what, David? I'm running kde here. I just made that script from a previous message, then did a killall on the daemon, and with that gone the tree if any has now been deleted. We will wait and see what squawks. FUSE Filesystem in Userspace http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace My guess would be something important. :-) As far as the comment about an addon, non-approved app like amanda is concerned, I have been running amanda since back in the day when redhat actually supplied bru as its backup app. Amanda beat it then, and still beats anything in the fedora repos 11 years later. Quality code generally stands the test of time, particularly when it has been in active development for all of those years, even before linux itself I believe as its an even older unix app. I'm running the snapshot taken on 06/22/2009 right now. Where is bru today? I have no idea. When I said addon I meant 'no part of the original installed operating system'. And I would still be more inclined to pester the amanda developers about this bug than to perhaps disable a perfectly running computer. That depends on whose fault it is. Having something existing on a system that not even root can control sends up alarms, fireworks and red flags to me. There is no way in hell I can lay that problem on amanda's doorstep. This is supposed to be open source, where everything is visible and controllable. This thing seems to have been under the radar till it just showed up, set as a default someplace. Just showed up? Do you mean gvfs? It just showed up in the Fedora 9 release. As for starting something called FUSE at boot time, should not whatever it is that starts the daemon set off a fuss if it cannot find the daemon to start it? I just rebooted, to 2.6.30.1 because the oom killer in 31-rc2 only allows around 12-18 hours of uptime, BIG memory leak somewhere. And no mention shows in a dmesg, I just looked again. Good for you. -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
On Monday 06 July 2009, Sharpe, Sam J wrote: [...] The way that you wrote this Gene I would think that your driving amanda to squawk problem is an amanda problem not a .gvfs problem. Amanda is an 'addon' backup application, correct? And .gvfs is part of the Fedora operating file system. This .gvfs *belongs* there and is needed. -- David By what, David? I'm running kde here. I just made that script from a previous message, then did a killall on the daemon, and with that gone the tree if any has now been deleted. We will wait and see what squawks. As far as the comment about an addon, non-approved app like amanda is concerned. As far as I can see, there is no distinction between gnome-vfs2 and amanda in terms of what is an 'addon'. They both come from the same repositories. Sorry Sam, not true for me. The things that are done to amanda in order to hammer it into the rpm mold do not set well with amanda's security model. So the amanda here is built from their tarball, and has been so for over a decade. Gnome is the certainly a default in some Fedora spins, but that doesn't make it and it's dependencies the one-true-desktop. I like gnome-vfs2, I use it a lot - but I'm a Gnome user - I can quite see why KIOSlave would be more important to KDE users and other methods of accessing virtual filesystems important to other DE users. If Gene doesn't want gvfs, then it shouldn't be there - Free Operating systems are about empowering user choice! Amen. There are things in the std kernel that I never build, device-mapper being one of them. They started playing with the drive ordering about 3 years ago, and the only way I can protect myself from the volatility of that is to not enable it at all, so /dev/sda _stays_ /dev/sda without becoming /dev/sdh the next time I boot. That obviously is a boot failure that requires I play with the (hd0,0) statements in my grub.conf until I find the magic twanger that will work, more than likely only for that particular bootup. I have I think, 4 stanza's of fedora kernels in my grub.conf, with all files needed in the /boot partition. I actually tried to boot one of them about 4 months back, and it couldn't find and mount /, device mapper was enabled I guess. But its there, right on /dev/sda3, exactly where I put it, and exactly where my grub.conf says it is. So when it happened and I fussed, I got laughed at told to 'get used to it'. Sorry, such BS just doesn't cut it. My pleas for stable device mapping were thrown under the bus the driver slapped cuz the bus wasn't moving quickly enough. I look at the bootup fussing that it can't find device-mapper every boot, BUT IT BOOTS... But that said, I get the same thing with my .gvfs directory when I ssh in to a freshly booted system without Gnome running - which may be the environment that amanda might have to deal with - and having screwy permissions at any point has to rate a bug surely? I concur 100% that its a bug. -- Sam -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Who to himself is law no law doth need, offends no law, and is a king indeed. -- George Chapman -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
On Monday 06 July 2009, David wrote: actually Gene Heskett That depends on whose fault it is. Having something existing on a system that not even root can control sends up alarms, fireworks and red flags to me. There is no way in hell I can lay that problem on amanda's doorstep. This is supposed to be open source, where everything is visible and controllable. This thing seems to have been under the radar till it just showed up, set as a default someplace. Just showed up? Do you mean gvfs? It just showed up in the Fedora 9 release. Which I never ran, going from F8 to F10. -- Cheers David, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp I never forget a face, but in your case I'll make an exception. -- Groucho Marx -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
